Ep 100: How We Would Lead A School: Planning, Marking, Play & Wellbeing

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to the 100th episode of THC

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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My name is Hayden.
Can you believe this is episode

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100?
Genuinely.

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Honestly, absolutely not.
What you gonna say?

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Yes, I can.
Yes I can because I have been

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counting it's sequential.
That is logic.

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It's been in our minds for a
while though, hasn't it?

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It has been like, not lingering,
I suppose is the wrong word.

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But do you know when like,
you're in your 20s and you

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slowly creep towards 30, that's
coming, that's coming, that's

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coming, hundreds coming.
And we're like, what can we do

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for 100 from like another
episode, I suppose.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of this big climate

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that's coming up, and we're
like, oh, hang on, it is just

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another episode.
Yeah, at 200 we'll do some crazy

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special one, of course. 1000
actually 1000 multiples of 10.

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Yeah, OK, Fair enough.
Yeah, what we didn't.

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Do for the millionth episode I.
Don't know, probably much of the

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same.
Yeah, I guess just talk about

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what annoys us I suppose.
Anyway, it's half term.

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I don't know where where you are
if it's half term if you're

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international, but in the UK for
most people right now it is half

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term.
I hope you're having a great

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half term.
I hope you are listening to

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this, doing something relaxing,
maybe not driving to work, but

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maybe you're just sat thinking
about work.

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Driving to somewhere nice.
Yeah.

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I mean, but that's that, that
would be nicer, wouldn't it?

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So in terms of half term,
Hayden, we know teachers know

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there's always a bit of work to
do in half term.

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So let's just don't think about
that too much.

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But what what I've been really
on my mind, especially with you

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knowing you're in year 6, is you
get to half term.

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It's probably like a nice break,
but it's kind of the moment in

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time halfway through the year
now where in general as a

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teacher, the idea of OK, well,
my kids really need to be

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showing the progress at this
point.

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Yeah, probably getting that
pressure from the top down to be

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like, OK, well, you know, we are
at the business end now.

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So I'll be showing that we're
doing really well.

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And I just thought of you like
if I think that in Year 4,

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what's Year 6 like at the
minute?

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Well, it's even closer, isn't
it?

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Because the SAT obviously isn't
at the very end of the year.

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It's not even that far away now.
It is, this is like the start of

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SAT, SAT, SAT, SAT day-to-day to
day.

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I mean, it's already started.
Really.

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We had, you know, we had a test
week a couple of weeks ago and

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it's all of it, everything,
everything is so data obsessed.

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Like, you know, where are the
kids?

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Where are the kids?
Are they making enough progress?

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Who's not making progress?
What can we do to make sure they

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make progress?
I was saying as if it's a bad

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thing.
That's not a bad thing.

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Yeah, it's our jobs, but it is a
little bit obsessive.

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I.
Yeah, when it's down to like a

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SAT paper, it's you know, we
talked about disillusionment and

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simplicity in episode recently.
Do you feel like this

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data-driven chat?
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Is it really, really useful?
Like genuinely is it, is it too

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much?
Is it?

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Do you understand it and you
think actually it's fine, It is

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what it is?
Where do you sit with?

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It look I I've always had the
same opinion and it didn't

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change when I'm in TA 6.
I think most schools including

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ours and they know this because
I speak they say all the time at

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our school.
I think we are way too obsessive

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with doing like Sats doing mock
Sats, doing exams all the time.

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I think we have too many
assessment points.

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I very rarely learn anything
from the assessments that I

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don't really already know or
probably couldn't pick up from

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my formative assessments, like
my little weekly things, little

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things I'm doing all the time.
And I just find I've always had

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the opinion that when you do
like a whole like, oh, it's a,

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it's a test week.
And that's in any year group.

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I'm always like, OK, that's
another week of learning.

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They're not going to do because
you're not really doing.

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You're like, you know what we
said in the last episode?

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You're just measuring.
And I think there is a point

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where you can measure too many
times and actually you're just

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taking away now lessons.
So I do get a little bit

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stressed without Year 6 because
everything gets shunted anyway

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because that's in Term 5.
So yeah, after doing, you know,

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the third assessment week, ask
me this question again because

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I'll be thinking, Oh my God,
like, I just want to teach the

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kids some stuff.
We did an assessment week.

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It feels like yesterday, you
know?

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Is there an argument for it's
good for the kids to practise

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actual tests in the format that
they'll be giving them as many

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times as possible?
100%, but not as many times as

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possible.
I think once or twice.

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Once or twice is enough.
Like, come on.

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It's exactly.
Do you know what all the papers

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they did another year gives are
probably designed to look

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something like what a SAT paper
looks like.

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Then it's not completely
unfamiliar.

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Yeah, I don't need it.
Do you find at this point in the

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year way through?
Like this is where I start to

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see more tangibly the progress
that the kids are making.

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And this is where like the best
parts of teaching kind of start

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to shine through.
And I think turn 5 and 6, it

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like almost accelerates way
more.

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But now I start to see the
points where I'm like, oh, do

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you know what?
Actually, if I flick back to

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your book at the start of the
year in English, let's say, and

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I look at your writing and now I
look at it, now I can see where

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you've improved.
I can, I can see what you've got

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better AT.
And I'm not talking about tests

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anymore or data points.
I'm literally just talking about

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the human beings in front of you
in the class.

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There'll be some children who
are managing their emotions in a

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more mature way.
There'll be other children who

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can now write down letters that
are actually legible.

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There is someone else who's got
a different target.

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And you know, maybe they're
expanding their vocabulary

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massively, but they're all at
different points, your kids in

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your class, but they're all
making progress for them.

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And, and what I guess frustrates
me is as a teacher, I see this

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in front of me.
And this is the best part of the

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job because you're helping kids
develop in whatever area they

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need to.
But I'd say only like only 20%

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of them are going to be able to
really show it on the data point

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that we count in.
The end, yeah.

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Yeah, and I don't know it just
it doesn't frustrate me because

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I know my kids are making
progress, but I just think it's

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a shame that we become so narrow
minded, focused on Yeah, but

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this data point in this line, I
did a whole rant about it the

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other week, but I, I just look
at it and I think, do you know

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what?
Strip everything back.

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Let's not think about how it's
broken.

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Let's just actually look at our
class.

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Everyone now listening.
If you're you're a teacher or an

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assistant or whatever you work
in a school with kids, just

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think about the progress your
kids have made in whatever

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aspect it is and and be proud
about it and celebrate it with.

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Them I totally agree.
I totally agree.

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And and I think I think everyone
has strengths, right.

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Everyone has different
strengths.

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We're not all robots, we're all
the same.

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And I think one of the big
reasons we see this around this

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time is if you think about the
start of the year, right, your

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kids are kind of still in last
year mode.

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They've learned that teacher for
a year and they're in that mode.

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They're a little bit less
mature.

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They're still in, let's say,
year 4 mode.

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If you're in Year 5.
And then they start the year of

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you and you're like, oh, here we
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You did the first sets of tests.
Oh, progress isn't like on that

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good event.
They look, they've dipped a bit

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from last year.
Crikey, what's going on?

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What's going on?
And then after a couple of

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months, they get to know you and
you get to know them.

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And it is both ways.
Your personality shines through,

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your strengths as a teacher
starts shining through, and your

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strengths are probably different
to the last teacher's strengths.

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And suddenly children are making
progress like they've never made

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before in certain areas.
And it kind of is because of

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you.
Yes, they've got a bit older and

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their brains are more developed,
whatever.

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But also part of it is because
of your relationship with that

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kid.
And that's why I think at this

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point of the year, you start to
go, oh, wow, that kid really is

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making progress.
Oh, and I also happen to have an

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unbelievably fantastic
relationship with this child

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because my personality really
matches with theirs.

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No surprises there.
You know, it's facilitating

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more, more progress.
I think that's a big.

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Reason it's brilliant and even
those children where you don't

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necessarily, you know, as
teachers, you might be listening

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to that and think, well, OK,
there yeah, there are some kids

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have to, but there's some kids I
just don't personally relate

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with.
But I find it a struggle and I

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just want people to know that's
also normal and those kids can

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still make progress.
Your teaching style is just not

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going to perfectly match up with
every single child out there.

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And I suppose one thing that
really jumps out at me, a small

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story, had a child come up to me
this week and was talking to me

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about at home how the evening
before they cooked spaghetti

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Bolognese.
Now this, it just sounds insane,

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doesn't it?
When's it's ever going to come

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up in a pupil progress meeting?
And it is genuinely nothing to

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do with me, like in terms of
I've not been at home with them

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teaching them how to cook and
stuff.

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But I think it's just an insight
into the wider picture of how so

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much influences what a child
becomes and how they develop and

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how they, you know, mature and
how they get better at anything,

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even if it's school work, it's
not just the teacher.

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So when I think about this child
cooking spaghetti Bolognese at

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home, it was because they have
this thing with their mum where

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their mum says once a week
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And it's obviously supervised.
It's with her help, but she has

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that ownership then of being
able to cook for the family.

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And I just thought I just said
to her, do you know what?

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That's amazing like that, That's
that's so good that you, you

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kind of are building up that
ability to do that.

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And that to me, and, and this
might sound weird to people on

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the teacher podcast, that to me
is just as important as anything

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I'm doing in school.
And it's more important than a

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lot of what I'm doing in school.
And it's a big part of how that

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child is growing up.
And in quotes, making progress.

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Yeah.
We're so obsessed with certain

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points and data and progress in
a certain way that I just want

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to open our eyes up basically to
say, you know what?

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Chill out if you're a teacher,
just appreciate the people your

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children are becoming and the
role you play in that.

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You don't have complete control
over it.

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And when you accept that, it's
easier to see when they make

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good progress or not so good in
your eyes or the school's eyes

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because they're just developing
and children develop at

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different rates.
You have different influences

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and different children but it's
one big picture and you play a

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part.
You are not the be on an end all

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and I don't want anyone to feel
like they're failing their kids

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because of the system or because
of at what they get in a test a

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little bit.
There's just so much more to the

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children and I love getting to
know them and seeing all

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aspects.
Of how to develop well, I don't

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think the powers that be or like
the idea that we don't have

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complete control, Dylan.
So what I'm going to do based on

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that very inspirational part of
this podcast is I'm going to

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write to the government and let
them know that they need to

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include something to do with how
you cook dinner at least once a

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week at home and how we can, how
we can assess that.

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Because if we the problem is
Dylan, like if we don't assess

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it, it means nothing.
Why is this pastor al dente?

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Why?
I don't know.

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I don't know.
I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry, Chef.
I'm sorry, Chef Ramsey.

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I mean, Mr. Price.
You're an idiot sandwich.

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You're an idiot sandwich.
Get get Ramsey in the schools.

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He wouldn't last the day.
Be fired straight away.

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Brilliant.
Yeah.

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Well, what I want to do now,
right?

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It's a bit of a special thing
because it is episode 100.

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It's a special episode and I
wanted to make it special.

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Right.
So what I've asked you to do,

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and I have no idea if you've
done this or not, I hope you

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have, is I've asked you to try
and think reflecting on our

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previous 99 episodes because
this is episode 100.

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Dylan.
Oh, is it is?

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Think about your favourite
moment in the podcast.

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I prepared one.
I've got a moment I'd like to

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share.
And I want to start with you.

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Have you got a moment that you'd
like to share in this podcast?

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Because not everyone here has
probably listen to all 100

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episodes, you know?
Some.

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Some of them I'm going back so
we can give you some insights to

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the past.
Yeah, I really struggled to pick

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one.
OK, so I, I did really struggle.

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I, by the way, have a gut
instinct on what you're going to

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pick, so I have to see if that
comes up.

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But mine, I kind of I reeled
through some stuff.

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I've got a bit of a list, but
then I'm going to give you the

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one I chose.
OK, so I thought about the very

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early on here's episode 3.
We got a story about an

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inflatable dolphin funeral.
Of course, that's just stuck in

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my head because that was think
one of our first submissions we.

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Got from Matt.
Yeah, your friend and I just, it

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was so funny.
So literally episode 3.

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If you want to go back, I think
our episodes are only half an

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hour.
They were.

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They're 67 hours now.
So let's have a look at your

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undefed story where you read the
word underfed incorrectly and

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thought it said undefed and did
a whole 3 minute thing of your

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class trying to unpick what this
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What could undef?
Let's look at the context.

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Why don't we take this word out
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What word could we swap in?
It just meant undefed.

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I will never forget this exact
moment where that where that

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child where I just look.
I can't.

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I don't forget the face, right,
of the child that put their hand

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up and looked at me, knowing
they're about they're about to

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sink me that I think it says
underfed that.

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Was so embarrassing.
It does what was amazing what

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that was though you did work out
what it meant based on.

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Context.
We did.

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We did.
When you, this is mainly you or

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your experience.
Obviously when we were talking

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about collective nouns, for some
reason, I don't even remember

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the story, but it came to pass
that you thought the collective

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noun for owls was a hoot.
It just makes sense.

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Hoot.
Doesn't it?

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But I chose one because to me
this sums up again, if anyone

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hasn't watched from the start,
OK, I'm going way back episode

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12 because we used to do loads
of skits and we used to start an

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episode with skits and it was
before we videoed the podcast

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and obviously before video.
It's easier just to do a voice

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like jokey, kind of.
Skipping highly edited.

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You're not like, yeah, you're
not trying to act out as well.

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And we used to do skits and we
did things like phone calls with

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with King Charles and like, one
of them was like Professor

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Dumbledore at Hogwarts having an
offset inspection.

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They were just like, crazy.
So go back and watch them if you

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want to listen to them.
But the one I've chosen is for

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episode 12.
And we did.

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We did a fake radio call in
where I was a radio host and we

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had a caller call in who was
angry because at the start we

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were talking about the strikes
and my teachers were going on

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strike.
And the caller had a bone to

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pick because we were lazy
teachers going on strike.

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I'm not going to say anymore
because what we're going to do

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is we're going to play it now
for everyone to read it and then

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we can dissect it afterwards.
It's so funny.

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All right, let's play the clip.
Well, lucky listeners, have we

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got a treat for you today?
We've got our first caller in

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Gary Gammon from Crawley.
Hi, Gary.

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Thanks for calling into the
show.

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How are you I'll.
Be honest Dylan, I don't

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normally listen but I'm
currently disgusted at what used

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twos are promoting to your wokey
lefty fans.

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Oh yes, Gary, what's that then?
What are we promoting?

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As if you don't know you lot are
as bad as the bloody nurses.

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I think it's absolutely
appalling that you have got the

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nerve to go on strike again.
You got your bloody offer, what

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more do you greedy lot want?
Well, Gary, you know, some

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people would argue there's a lot
more to it than just.

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That give a monkeys.
To be honest, Dylan, the King's

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coronation's coming up.
We're supposed to be enjoying

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this time.
And now I've got to occupy my

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son Malcolm at home for another
day, right on the lead up to his

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year six sets.
Because you lot are too selfish

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to consider that, aren't you?
Well.

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Gary, what do you say to Perhaps
the king could move his bank

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holiday, which happens to take
place on a day on the actual

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week of the SAT you're talking
about?

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You're honestly disgusting.
Just you disgusting.

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How dare you insult our king
like that?

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Do you?
Do you not think we can take one

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day out to come together as a
country for an important event?

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Or is that too right wing for
you?

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Now, Gary, Gary, I guess you're,
you're maybe right there.

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Maybe you do have a point.
And the King's coronation is

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actually far more important than
saving our failing education

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system, making sure that
teachers as professionals can

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actually keep up with inflation
and can afford to heat their

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homes.
I truly believe that wearing

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red, white and blue for a whole
day is far more important than

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that.
And how dare we be striking?

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God save the King.
God save the King, Dylan.

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I think that's one of my
favourite bits because it's just

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so like unfiltered.
We just been.

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What worries me is how into that
character I got.

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Quite convinced you were
thinking of Someone Like You

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were clinging on something.
Me and my son Malcolm, we've had

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enough.
Because you blew in left.

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But again, rewinding that is
literally what we were putting

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up with at the time.
Like I know that that seems

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ridiculous, doesn't it, to
listen to, but that is genuinely

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what like some people in in our
families were saying that is

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what we heard on the radio.
And it was like, and, and I

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would always remember that's one
point on a Daily Mail comment

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section.
They did an article and it was

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about when I went on Who wants
to be a millionaire and I got a

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question wrong about a World War
2 bomber.

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No, I didn't know it and I
needed to find my friend for

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answers for answers.
And because I got it wrong.

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Someone in the Daily Mail
section put Weak woke lefty beta

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male teacher right, because I
because I didn't know that the

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Strato Fortress had a different
name.

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Someone just got it Weak woke
lefty beta I was like, Oh my

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God, that is literally what like
this culture wars of just

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everyone against each other.
But that really, really made me

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laugh.
And I just thought in terms of

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like, what parts of this podcast
I really, really enjoyed.

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It was just when we had those
funny.

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Moments, I do kind of miss the
skits and like you said, it's

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really hard to do it without,
with recording, video recording

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because it is just different,
you know, having the phone

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effects and stuff.
We wouldn't be able to do it

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now, but it was good times.
I think about the 1st 10 or so

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episodes, each one started.
So do go back and listen to the

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first ones.
They're only short, but they're

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quite funny.
Anyway, I'm going to trump you

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completely because the moment, I
mean, I know you'll probably

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know what moment, but these guys
might not.

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Now, if you've been around for a
long time, you, if you've

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listened to episode 34, we're
really going back in time now.

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We had honestly the best,
funniest moment on our podcast.

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I don't think we'll ever top it.
It was so, so unhinged and

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funny.
So for context, Dylan had just

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had his son Rory it we were just
under two weeks after that when

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we were recording this episode.
So he was, I mean, I mean, just

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look at you in the video, you
just even looked like completely

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out of sorts.
He was so tired.

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You didn't know what was going
on your new parent at this time.

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And we were having this
conversation about being a new

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parent and how you just have no
idea what you're doing.

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You just don't know, like you
were just like, what guidance is

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there?
Like, I don't know when to do

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this, when to do that.
And then we started talking

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about food and kind of went on
to your food habits as a child

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and the, and the conversation
when you'll see me in it.

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I, I, I was dying.
I was dying.

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So.
So let's play this because it's

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just brilliant.
Be it on food.

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So already you're thinking about
like I I so I said there's like

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when when do they eat food?
Apparently it's like about six

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months.
They start going to solids, but

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then it's always like it's
weaning.

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So it's like over a bit of time.
Like that's mad to me because

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like, hey, who's in?
Who's in charge of that?

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So do I just guess broccoli,
like pop tart?

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Yeah, Yeah.
Like, would you want pop pop

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tart?
Obviously.

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But like, do we just guess,
like, how much he wants to eat

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as well?
Like these are I like following

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instructions right?
Daddy's favourite 12?

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Come on.
That's your umbilical cord when

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you were little.
That's the best.

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That's the best thing, every
little point.

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But it's on food, right?
Because I was thinking about

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food.
I was like when I was younger, I

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was, I was, I was really sorry,
right.

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A passage you got to read your
empirical cord.

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I was really fussy with food,
right?

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Really fussy.
And so my mum would just feed

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me.
It became a choice of I either

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didn't eat or ate potato
waffles.

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I forgot.
How this is going?

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Looking back and you're like,
wasn't there something up with

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that child?
Sorry.

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Didn't he refuse to eat unless
it was a McCain's potato waffle?

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Yeah, All right.
Bad sign.

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Five years it was there a
spectrum we kind of considered

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for this child.
Which took me called a

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diagnosis.
So very, very big game of food.

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And I obsessed over food, right?
So I always go through obsession

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periods where I will eat nothing
but cornflakes, like 2 weeks,

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right?
And now I'm bored of that now

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and I'll eat nothing else for
two weeks.

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But when I was younger it was
potato waffles and I didn't eat

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anything else right until 1
fateful day when we were at a

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shoe shop and we were walking
around wear a shoe.

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No bit worse than that.
We were at a shoe shop and I

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remember.
It was an umbrella got on the

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floor.
It was mine.

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It was still attacked.
I haven't fallen off five years

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or five years.
Disgusting.

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Applies on it.
Looks like.

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Looks like a bird tie.
What?

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To me.
Anyway, Yeah, we were in a shoe

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shop when my mum was there.
My sister and my mum's friend.

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I think I know her kid maybe.
But I didn't eat anything.

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I went off walking.
Right on the floor was one of

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those Seneca gel pouches.
I do not eat.

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I ate it.
I wouldn't eat anything.

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I'm a white bag that says do not
eat.

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I'm like, oh what up?
Then I ate.

450
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,640
Your mum didn't think that was
something up.

451
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,840
Do you want this delicious food?
No.

452
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,280
I'll have the crystal gels,
please.

453
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,600
I started.
Crying.

454
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,240
So I, I ate a packet of silica
gel.

455
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,000
And that day I started eating
that day.

456
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,400
I remember we left the shoe shop
and went to an ice cream ban.

457
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,680
We would buy an ice cream
stripper.

458
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,000
My mum didn't think I'd have
one, obviously.

459
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,560
And I was like, yeah, I'll have
a Buzz Lightyear ice cream base.

460
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:58,480
Like what?
Oh, my days, that that moment.

461
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,560
You know what?
Every time I watch that and I've

462
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,760
watched it loads, like I just
crease up.

463
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,400
Oh my God, that's one of the
funny I know.

464
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,080
It's like, is it weird to say
when your own conversation?

465
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,360
No, because we weren't even
ourselves.

466
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,720
You were unhinged and we
referenced it in the next three

467
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,680
episodes afterwards that you
were just unhinged in that

468
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,920
episode.
I wasn't OK.

469
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,000
I was running on like 2 hours.
Yeah, yeah, honestly.

470
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,680
It was so funny.
Like I've, I, I don't think I've

471
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,440
laughed like that since then,
but honestly, probably for years

472
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,680
before that because I was like,
you know, when you're just

473
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,160
rippled over love, you can see
me.

474
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,280
I'm trying to hold it together
for the podcast and I am dying

475
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,120
of laughter.
You know, if someone's voice

476
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,080
goes really high, I can't even
talk anymore.

477
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,880
Oh God, it was so funny.
And it's just a completely true

478
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,120
story.
It's like I literally remember

479
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,120
it so vividly.
And then afterwards, the point

480
00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,960
was once I'd eaten it, once I
eaten this like a gel after only

481
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,280
eating potato waffles for like a
year.

482
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,640
I, I then started eating normal
food.

483
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,880
Yeah, an ice cream after.
I was like, why you got ice

484
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,360
cream?
Yeah, Buzz Light rice cream,

485
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,280
please.
And a roast inning.

486
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,760
What was happening was my throat
and stomach were like, get my

487
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,480
something so dry.
It's just like eating.

488
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,640
A bag of salt.
The worst?

489
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,880
Oh, it's just, yeah, everything
about everything about that

490
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,040
whole episode actually was.
But that moment from that

491
00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,960
episode was the highlight.
But if you want a laugh and

492
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,160
whereas, you know, we talk about
a lot of serious stuff, if you

493
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,040
want to go back to an episode
where it's like you forget the

494
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,800
serious stuff, we, we are just,
it's like, like we were just

495
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,560
drunk or something.
Just go watch that.

496
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,320
That was also the point where we
were like, like you, we made the

497
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,560
kind of joke there.
Like what did my mum not

498
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,520
realise?
Because we also, like we were

499
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,720
also trying to have serious
conversation in there about like

500
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,360
my Nora diversity and the way
I'm acting as well.

501
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,160
But but it was mastered me
eating a silicon.

502
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,080
Yeah.
Oh God, but there we go.

503
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,160
So thank you for joining us so
far on this 100th episode

504
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,040
special because I really, really
wanted to share that moment with

505
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,080
you so.
Good.

506
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,640
I hope you enjoyed it.
Good.

507
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,000
Let's play the Jingle.
Let's do a little.

508
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,520
You've got you've actually put
again.

509
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,040
I'm not going to keep this joke
going.

510
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,680
Maybe I need to stop saying it,
but you have prepared something

511
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,000
to to go through.
Four people living in Rome?

512
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,120
Is it four people living in
Rome?

513
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,360
OK, OK, OK, let's play the
Jingle then we'll have a little

514
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:04,680
game before we dive into how
we're going to run our perfect

515
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,240
idyllic school, which I'm really
looking forward to.

516
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,760
You have prepared this.
Actually, you've had this

517
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,640
prepared for a few weeks, but it
just hasn't fitted in.

518
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,880
Yeah.
So you've been desperate to do

519
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,320
this, so I hope it's good.
Wow, no pressure at all.

520
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,640
So I've got a little game
basically.

521
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,240
I was trying to think it's a
different game because you're

522
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,920
always like, oh, I think there's
some different games that he's

523
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,320
really bossy behind the scenes,
really bossy behind the scenes.

524
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,520
That's.
How you get into the top ten,

525
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,400
baby, I don't know, sorry.
I mentioned we're in the top 10.

526
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,600
Education No Top. 10 podcast
chart for education on Apple I

527
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,960
just.
Sorry, sorry, I just.

528
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,200
Mel Robbins, we're coming for
you.

529
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,440
Yeah, right.
She's not.

530
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,320
She's not moved from that.
There's.

531
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,160
Been a McCall number one and
two, we're never ever.

532
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,480
Going to Who do we think we are?
Who do we think we are?

533
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,680
#10 #10. #10 that's it.
Yeah, for a little bit.

534
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,280
I've got a game.
Basically it's like a fill the

535
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,120
gap game.
Yeah, OK.

536
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,440
Most of the answers numbers, but
not there might not necessarily

537
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,000
be a number.
OK, fill the gap.

538
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,040
I'm going to give you a
sentence.

539
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,720
The answer numbers or not
numbers?

540
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,040
No, I said most, I said most,
most of the numbers, 2 of the

541
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560
words and you just essentially
just gotta think what you think

542
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,040
fills the gap in this sentence.
All to do with education stats.

543
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,880
Is this to that kind?
Of my opinion or is this like?

544
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,920
A No, no, These are like facts.
I found real facts.

545
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,720
The first the first three are
kind of about teachers and

546
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,800
teacher retention, and the next
three are just interesting facts

547
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,440
about schools in general a bit
wider.

548
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,960
So we're going from the most
funny part of our podcast ever,

549
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,400
The most serious most.
Serious thing, but my I'm hoping

550
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,360
it'll just spark a conversation
from the facts.

551
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,080
OK, yeah, you might not even be
surprised.

552
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:22,920
It's one of them.
So here we are.

553
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,000
Yeah, between what year and 2022
do you think teacher vacancies

554
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,360
doubled?
Wow, teacher vacancies.

555
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:40,040
So let's think about austerity.
Austerity is 2010 so that you

556
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,080
know, 2011.
Around then new government came

557
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,960
in.
I imagine that really played a

558
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,920
part in terms of the pay was
squeezed so much.

559
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,360
So I can see lots of people
being like, well, what am I

560
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:49,720
doing?
I'm not getting any kind of pay

561
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:55,640
raise between what year in 2022?
Yeah, 2013 20/13/2020 What?

562
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,320
2022 years?
No, you joking?

563
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,560
No seriously.
Seriously.

564
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,240
So all these stats I got from
one of two documents. 1 was like

565
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,120
a government document, 1 was
like a teacher research

566
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,520
document.
It doubled in two years, yeah.

567
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,080
Yeah, double in two years, 2020
and 2022, teacher vacancies

568
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,320
doubled.
That was like that was like a

569
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,440
highlight fact from on an
article that I read that.

570
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,600
Is insane.
Yeah, yeah.

571
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,560
Wow.
There you go.

572
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,200
Wow, there's not even much.
I'm genuinely shocked.

573
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,520
Yeah.
That's that's unbelievable.

574
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,160
I'm just trying to think of all
the reasons why that would be.

575
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,480
I mean, it was pretty obvious,
like, you know, lockdowns and

576
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,800
things and Covad.
Yeah, 2020.

577
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,640
Different things, but also, you
know, I pay.

578
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,080
It took a little while.
Yeah, I was gonna say that was,

579
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,240
you know, pre, just pre striking
where people were getting

580
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,840
genuinely so fed up with
workload.

581
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,920
Yeah, we had the whole Ruth
Perry thing a little bit later

582
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,320
on, but it was all leading up to
this like, like the schools were

583
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,120
in a bad state at that point.
I'm not saying they're great

584
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,480
now, but they were in a really
dire state.

585
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,440
No, but if you think that is
actually, if you make it makes

586
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,400
sense.
To be fair, a lot of the

587
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,080
austerity measures were kind of
put up with stuff and OK, well,

588
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560
we're being squeezed here, but
we're at we're at an OK level,

589
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,440
so we'll get by for a few years.
I can imagine.

590
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,400
That was the real yeah, kind of
apex of it.

591
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,080
Wow.
Fun fact for you there, that's

592
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,640
in the same light as my second
one.

593
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,880
OK, same sort of of thing,
right?

594
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,760
Last year and this is up to date
data.

595
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,320
So we are actually talking about
2024, how many teachers left the

596
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,240
profession.
So blank teachers left the

597
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,080
profession, not including
retirement.

598
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,520
OK, I there are like half a
million teachers.

599
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,400
In the UK, sorry, in the UK.
It's important.

600
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,320
I think there's about half a
million teachers in the UK and I

601
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,000
think, I think it's about 9%.
So I think it's about 40,000.

602
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,120
Is bang on.
Is it literally?

603
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,440
Is it exactly like it was
exactly 40,000?

604
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,480
Yeah, I, I remember those stats
when we talked about it

605
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,240
previously.
Yeah, yeah, I know.

606
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,280
There's about half 1,000,009%
insane.

607
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,400
Yeah, isn't it?
That's 4040 thousand people,

608
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,720
yeah, who were teachers and
delivering the curriculum and

609
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,280
were experts in what they were
not retiring, not retiring.

610
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,440
They went, I'm not doing this
anymore.

611
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,880
Yeah.
What a sorry thing.

612
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Quit the job.
That's insane.

613
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,720
Did I ruin your game then?
No, not at all.

614
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,560
I'm I'm glad you got one because
the first one was well.

615
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,680
Off, what a bad kind of
compliment.

616
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,200
Well done mate because your
first one was terrible.

617
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,680
Yeah, well done.
One out of two, one out of. 2 So

618
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,520
next one, one out of two.
Like they're so specific.

619
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,760
Let's go wait 111 out of two.
But here we go, next one I

620
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,720
think.
I reckon you'll get this one.

621
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,840
Well, at least close.
The government has missed its

622
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,960
teacher recruitment target.
How many?

623
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,680
Hang on, hang on.
In how many of the last 11

624
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,000
years?
OK, 11.

625
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,080
No, not 11, it's 10.
Oh, that one, yeah, I can't.

626
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,640
Remember what year it said they
got one a few years ago, but

627
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,280
they just about got it but a 10
out of come on like what's going

628
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,720
on?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 10 out of 11

629
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,240
years.
Like what it's.

630
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,160
Like when you look at that, one
of two things is happening, the

631
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,240
target's wrong and you need to
lower the target or or do

632
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,760
something about it.
It's like, yeah, we've got this

633
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,880
target, didn't meet it, same
target next year.

634
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,080
We're not going to change
anything.

635
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,320
We did meet again, same target
next year, yeah.

636
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,440
So what do you think?
Ten years in a row, baby.

637
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,720
That's insane.
Yeah, mental, isn't it?

638
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,440
I just don't understand this.
You know, I've got to say

639
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,160
though, I'm surprised they hit
it in one year.

640
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,080
Yeah, yeah, me too.
I need to go look it up.

641
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,240
I need to find out.
I didn't write it down.

642
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,760
Well done.
Annoying.

643
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,680
Well done.
Next one.

644
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,320
Yep.
So this one's a.

645
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,920
Bit different now.
One.

646
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,000
Yeah, one every overall pupil.
This is easy 5050 chance.

647
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,400
Overall pupil numbers are
expected to blank by 9.4%

648
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,600
between now and 2030.
Overall people numbers.

649
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Overall people numbers in the UK
are expected to.

650
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,640
Drop.
But yeah, by 9.4% between now

651
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,960
and yeah.
Because it's like no one's

652
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,520
having children.
Yeah, isn't that crazy that that

653
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,960
stat feels wrong.
It feels backwards.

654
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,520
Like I, I was hoping you'd be
like 02030 that's in the future.

655
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,880
We'll have more people.
I read a stat somewhere.

656
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,240
One in five schools in London
are closing.

657
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,320
Yeah, because there's not enough
children to fill the.

658
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Schools 9.4% though.
It's not even like an

659
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,360
insignificant amount that's.
Huge and I'm a kind of

660
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,480
sleepwalking there because with
birth rate and stuff you don't

661
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,960
really like really, really
notice it for five, 6-7 years

662
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,120
when they start going into
school.

663
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,040
So when the children are like
0123, it's like, OK, they're,

664
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,680
they're, they're out there,
they're obviously cared for and

665
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,920
stuff.
But the, the structures we

666
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,880
haven't placed aren't
necessarily like, you don't see

667
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,640
a class that's suddenly 3/4
full.

668
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,560
Do you know what I mean?
Whereas when they start going to

669
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,160
school and like we, we see it
ourselves with schools even in

670
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,080
our area that are panicking
about the future, because

671
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,640
there'll be fewer children in
the local area, they'll be more

672
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,480
competitive for spaces.
And one of two things will

673
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,720
happen.
Either schools will like across

674
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,800
the board, be 90% full and miss
out on funding because of it.

675
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,040
And you just won't be
sustainable.

676
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,040
Or we'll have to see like one in
five, one in 10 schools

677
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,760
literally close because then
that school has to take the hit

678
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,960
and then the other schools can
be full.

679
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,800
So I'd be really interesting to
see what happens.

680
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,440
It's it's kind of worrying.
And also the knock on effect,

681
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,400
not just for education, but for
just life in general.

682
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,040
Like, you know, people
understand how I'm sure they do

683
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,320
understand how pensions work.
Pensions aren't someone pays

684
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,440
into a part, they get old and
that same money goes.

685
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Yeah.
Of course not.

686
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,320
Pensions are paid for by the
current workforce.

687
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Yeah.
So when if we have fewer

688
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,480
children being born now in 30 to
40 years, when they are the

689
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,080
workforce and we're retired,
there won't be enough people to.

690
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Pay for our pay.
They're going to pay.

691
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:54,920
Yeah, There won't be.
Yeah.

692
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,960
And it's just weird because I
forgot, I guess all our lives

693
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,840
we've seen a rising population.
I just feel like it's the

694
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,480
natural way of things.
We just get more and more and

695
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,160
more people more.
Honestly, honestly, at this

696
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,040
point, how many people do you
know who are simply choosing not

697
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,120
to have kids or have children?
Is that a sad state?

698
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,320
Though because, but it's because
of it's not financially viable,

699
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Yeah.
That's what I mean.

700
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,360
It's crazy.
It's so sad.

701
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,520
Yeah, I find it crazy and just.
Yeah, yeah.

702
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,840
But yeah, that's it.
But my point is, I, I genuinely,

703
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,600
I've said this a million times.
I would have like 5 kids.

704
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,560
I would have five kids and I'd
have them like one after the

705
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,600
other.
And I'd be like, I feel like

706
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,120
that.
I would love that person here.

707
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,480
But I could possibly do that.
Yeah, but the the big barrier of

708
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,240
course is the money and and
like, but that's the only

709
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,080
barrier to me and to for many
people that is the only barrier.

710
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,600
And for many people that's the
barrier of them having one.

711
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,680
Yeah, never mind like 2 or.
Three, I know be I literally, I

712
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,400
know multiple people who are
like teetering the idea of maybe

713
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,120
having children or trying to
have children and they're sort

714
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,400
of like Nah, we just can't
afford to.

715
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,640
We can't even afford cause
maternity pay is so bad as well.

716
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,480
Paternity, maternity, whatever
it is, it's so rubbish in most

717
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,120
sectors.
I just can't even afford to have

718
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,360
the time off to even have the
baby.

719
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,320
Like it's just mad.
We live in a a, a dystopian

720
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,800
future.
Sometimes I feel like I'm like,

721
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,720
I look at it.
I'm like, is this really real?

722
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,240
Well, like, like we always say,
I I absolutely defend every

723
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,640
person's right to choose to want
to have children or not or

724
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,160
whether they can't have
children, whether it's a choice

725
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,560
or not.
Not judging anyone at all.

726
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,320
But at the what what you have to
have is some incentive for those

727
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,120
who do have children in terms of
there has to be something there

728
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,160
to help them.
Yeah, because the, the IT is

729
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,640
literally the next generation.
You can choose not to do that.

730
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,680
And then that is absolutely
don't make you any less of

731
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880
whatever you doesn't mean you
shouldn't get perks in your job.

732
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,360
The worst thing I find is when,
oh, you've got kids, you get

733
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,360
this in the job that someone
else is doing, but they've

734
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360
chosen not to have kids, but
they don't get extra time off.

735
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,480
Again, it's just unfair there's.
Got to be something where it's

736
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,000
like in the terms of a
workplace, you should treat

737
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,280
everyone equally.
But there are some like

738
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,160
fundamental things like child
benefits, child tax benefits,

739
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,520
like, you know, simply the
infrastructure built around your

740
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,640
children to make sure they can
get appointments on time.

741
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,720
That kind of thing needs to be
provided by the state.

742
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520
Because look at children now who
are waiting two to three years

743
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,160
for a diagnosis, never mind then
afterwards getting the support

744
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,120
they need in place.
You're going to bring a child

745
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,200
into a world who has needs, and
you can't control that knowing

746
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,600
that the system will fail them
until they're a certain age.

747
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,000
That's not acceptable.
There has to be a certain level

748
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,040
of support for children and for
having children.

749
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,520
That at least incentivizes it
slightly, else this is what

750
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,240
will.
Happen, I agree.

751
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,400
But do you know what people say
about that?

752
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,120
And this is saddens me because
it has become like a really

753
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,320
normal rhetoric within the idea
of having children is people

754
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,800
will say, no, you didn't have to
have children.

755
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,360
Yeah.
I really hate that argument.

756
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,840
I think it's a stupid argument.
I'm like, OK, all right, do you

757
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,760
want humans to exist?
Do you want your pension to be

758
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,120
paid?
Like, what do you mean didn't

759
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,600
have to have children?
I know we all know that, but we

760
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,360
all also know the entire world
literally revolves on more

761
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,920
humans.
So what are you talking about?

762
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,120
OK, we'll all do that.
People say, go get that.

763
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,080
It's the same logic, right,
People that said during the

764
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,640
strikes, go get another job
then.

765
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:01,960
So.
OK.

766
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Do you want teachers, though?
Because if we all took that

767
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,240
advice and you really thought in
your little brain a little bit

768
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,240
harder about that, and if
everyone actually took that

769
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,160
advice that you're saying for us
to do, there wouldn't be any

770
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,200
teachers.
Yeah.

771
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,720
So what do you want?
No one to be teachers or a

772
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,680
better system where teachers are
paid fairly and people are doing

773
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,200
the job?
Do you want no humans?

774
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Yeah.
So you can be like, oh, there

775
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,520
you go.
You're a choice, didn't you?

776
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,520
Yeah.
I just.

777
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Or do you want only rich people
to have human to have children?

778
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,120
Yeah, have humans if you want.
They're a.

779
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Little pet humans.
Yeah, completely.

780
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,080
And I think that's the, that's
the kind of, that's the, there's

781
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,880
a tea train point where I really
strongly believe, and I know

782
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,960
people who choose not to have
kids.

783
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240
And I hate the fact that they
feel marginalised sometimes or

784
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,640
like, like frowned upon.
And I absolutely don't.

785
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,240
And I think it's completely over
everyone's right to choose not

786
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,760
to.
Yeah, but you cannot punish

787
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,360
someone for choosing.
To Yeah, I agree you have to

788
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,840
incentivize it when there's a
single mum in the news talking

789
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,000
about the stresses of her life
and then some boomer is reading

790
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,840
it and saying well, didn't have
to have children did you your

791
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,720
fault.
Yeah, I'm like, I can't get over

792
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,120
yourself.
That urged whatever, I'm gonna

793
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,320
get angry.
I'm gonna move to the next one.

794
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,360
OK got two more stats.
Yeah, two more sentences.

795
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,920
Yeah, so according to last
year's census, blank percent of

796
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,480
schools are now academies.
Oh, that is a good question.

797
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Wow, all of these.
Yeah.

798
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,600
So as I'm thinking, I'm just
going to clarify.

799
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
We, we moved, we're moving
towards more and more schools

800
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,160
becoming academies.
I know that.

801
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,400
I I reckon it's, I reckon it's
close to 5050.

802
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,840
I reckon, I reckon that, I
reckon, I reckon it's just but

803
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,200
I'm, I don't want to say 50, so
I'm going to say 48. 48 so

804
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,760
you're not too far off if you if
you were thinking of free

805
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,640
schools as well, which are a bit
different.

806
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,560
So not local authority
different.

807
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Then it is more like 5050 local
authorities.

808
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Everything else but just
academies and multi calorie

809
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
trusts is 43 point. 50, I'll
take that 100.

810
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,760
Percent.
So you're very close.

811
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,920
That's a lot, isn't it?
And it has and it has increased

812
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,160
every single year.
Yeah, I think a big, when you

813
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,080
look at that, do you know what
we've said a million times what

814
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,360
we think about Academy trusts in
general and I think some Academy

815
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,960
trusts out there, let me just
make this clear as well, I think

816
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,080
are doing a fantastic job for
their teachers and their

817
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,960
children, OK.
I don't think automatically

818
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Academy equals bad.
I do not think that because

819
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,320
there are amazing people working
in academies, I think it can be

820
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,679
taken advantage of.
Yeah, that's it.

821
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
But what I also think is
happening is the 5050 split is

822
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,520
genuinely the worst option.
We we, we honestly need to even

823
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,480
be all academies and and in in
all these big hubs of schools

824
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,080
that work together, something
like a local authority.

825
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,080
Yeah.
I just think this, this mixed,

826
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,679
this mixed bag is helping no one
because it means, Oh yeah, multi

827
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,840
Academy trusts are great because
of economies of scale.

828
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,960
But we had the perfect economy
of scale at the start guys, when

829
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,639
we had 0 academies and we were
all under this local authority.

830
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560
So you know, all the arguments
from Multi Academy Trust, I'm

831
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,480
just like, I feel like we could
have done that without

832
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,080
privatising education.
Probably.

833
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,679
You're absolutely right.
Last, that is the interesting

834
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,199
one. 6.9% of pupils in the UK
are not what?

835
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,600
Listening.
I think it's a bit more than

836
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,800
that way, a bit more than that
6.9.

837
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,480
Percent.
So 6.9% of pupils in the UK are

838
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,760
not blank.
What are they not doing?

839
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,920
Is essentially of attendance.
It.

840
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,720
Is are not yet are not in
school.

841
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,240
Yeah, literally attending
school.

842
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:14,360
You had it.
I'm not attending school.

843
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Attending school?
Is that current home education?

844
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,320
I don't know.
Maybe because that might be

845
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,440
account for because that's a
lot.

846
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,400
Yeah.
So maybe someone getting

847
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,280
homeschooled?
Well, I don't know.

848
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,680
I was looking, I was looking at
the, this was from a government,

849
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,480
OK, from the government census,
OK, I don't know, maybe I've

850
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,840
checked that one, but it said.
Pretty interesting to know.

851
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,640
Yeah.
So I think the most interesting

852
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,280
part was actually the
comparison, which is kind of

853
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,280
what I wanted to get onto,
right.

854
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,320
Pre pandemic.
This number, whether it is

855
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,320
including these or not, yeah,
was 4.5.

856
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,720
Percent.
Yeah.

857
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:38,520
So jump I.
Think so.

858
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,800
So it did go up but it but just
after the pandemic it was 7.6%.

859
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,400
So it has reduced a little bit,
but not much.

860
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,760
I think I think homeschooling
become more popular, I think

861
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,320
because people kind of I got a
taste for it and COVID and had

862
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,760
lockdowns.
I thought, oh, maybe we can do

863
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,040
that.
That's really interesting.

864
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,280
I mean, I think we should do an
episode in the future.

865
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,680
Not that I'm trying to kick this
down the road, but about these

866
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680
children outside of the school
system and the different ways in

867
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,880
which children can be educated
and maybe look a bit more into

868
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,320
home schooling.
Because as an educator who works

869
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,160
in a school and as a teacher, I
obviously can see the benefits

870
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,480
of being in school.
But I do also understand that,

871
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,160
you know, for for a fair lot of
children, there are benefits to

872
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,160
being outside the school as
well.

873
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,040
And I think it would be good to
have our eyes opened a bit to

874
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,400
that option because I think it's
easy when you work in a school

875
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,560
to be like, no, no, it's school.
It's school's the best way.

876
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,640
But I think we're so open to
working with children.

877
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,880
What a ridiculous thing that
would be to say to that.

878
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,040
There's one way of doing it.
Is best for.

879
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,280
All kids I know.
It would be quite ironic.

880
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,720
Quite hypocritical, wouldn't it?
Yeah, exactly.

881
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,120
Yeah, definitely.
That'd be a good conversation.

882
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,880
Well done.
Actually.

883
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Like that.
You did.

884
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,400
You got into that?
Quite.

885
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,800
Didn't work.
I didn't know conversation.

886
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,000
I can't get over that.
First the the the teachers

887
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,760
vacancies.
Yeah.

888
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,360
I can't get my words out.
I'm so shocked.

889
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,760
That was crazy.
That was a good one.

890
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,840
I'm glad I started with that
one.

891
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,920
Got you?
Got you hooked in, didn't it?

892
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200
We're about to build our perfect
score, OK, and it's got quite a

893
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,000
big job and we're going to try
and be reasonable, but we're

894
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,200
going to go for solutions.
What would we do if we were in

895
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,920
charge of a score?
Can't wait.

896
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,960
There were so many bits though,
because all we've done is

897
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,000
actually just categorised parts
and we've not prepared anything.

898
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,880
I don't know what you think, you
don't know what I think, apart

899
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,320
from the fact we've done 99
episodes.

900
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,200
So I've got an idea.
But there were some bits where

901
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,720
they just weren't really able to
be fit in to have a proper

902
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,320
conversation about.
So we've made a list here and

903
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,520
this is going to be a quick
fire.

904
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Yes or no?
Would you do them or would you

905
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,400
not do them?
Maybe a sentence just to justify

906
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,280
it.
And then we're going to move on

907
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,000
to the other person and swap it.
We're going to do 1 each.

908
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,360
So I'm going to start.
You're going to say yes or no

909
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,000
and tell me why.
And I'm not, I can't come back.

910
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,760
I can't.
I can't argue.

911
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,720
All right, so I'll just give a
little.

912
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,880
Point and then you just say the
next one and then you can't

913
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,880
argue.
We've got to try and actually

914
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,800
make a quick fire.
Is that what?

915
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,880
You's try because we're not
alike.

916
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Unlike us.
Yeah, we like to talk.

917
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,240
Yeah.
OK, ready first one.

918
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,320
So the question is, would you do
this in your school?

919
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Have attendance awards.
No.

920
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,040
And even though there's like
there's growing pressure from

921
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Ofsted as we've looked at our
last episode about the reforms,

922
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,280
Ofsted, I still, I still
wouldn't do it.

923
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,960
I still wouldn't do it.
Would you have Star of the Week

924
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,800
awards?
Yes, I think they're a nice

925
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,160
celebration.
I think they're completely

926
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,360
harmless.
I would probably avoid the part

927
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,480
where you feel like you have to
give it to someone for the sake

928
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,960
of giving it to someone.
I think it should be about

929
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,440
celebration of a child genuinely
doing something amazing.

930
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,920
But it could be that for that
child, doing something smaller

931
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,640
is amazing for them and that's
fine.

932
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,320
I think it's a lovely thing.
Parents love it.

933
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,800
Give it to as many children as
you can.

934
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:24,800
Yeah, me too.
Cool.

935
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,480
How about joined up handwriting?
Would you make it a specific

936
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,920
part you have to do in your
school?

937
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,520
Yes, because one, I do actually
think it is slightly better for

938
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,840
extended writing on the wrist,
but I think it's marginal.

939
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,120
If the government did haven't
didn't have such a huge

940
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,320
weighting.
I didn't put such a huge

941
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,080
weighting on that in the writing
assessments like in the key

942
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040
stage 2, where it's genuinely
like, if they're not

943
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,880
handwriting, they might not be
expected, then I'd consider

944
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,720
being like, now let's just be a
bit more free, let people write

945
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,200
how they want.
But in the current framework, I

946
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,560
would make it part of my school.
Yeah, next one.

947
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,000
It's a good one for you lining
up in register order.

948
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,840
I wouldn't make it compulsory on
the top down if I was the head,

949
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,120
but I would.
You know what, I think it's a

950
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,640
good thing to be honest with
you, because it's for fire

951
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,040
drills, it's for safety.
If you can get your children

952
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,760
lining up in register order, it
doesn't mean you can't do the

953
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,120
register when it comes to the
fire drill.

954
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,640
And you know, it's not the end
of the world, but it does just

955
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,200
make that step a bit quicker in
terms of if they're in register

956
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,440
order, you can go down the
register, you can walk down your

957
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,360
line.
It's a very, very small thing

958
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,400
that I think's a good thing, but
I wouldn't be like, you know,

959
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,400
looking at it.
Oh, you're amazing.

960
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,840
What you must do.
There's a bell over the.

961
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,880
Top, I think it's you can't talk
by the way, sorry.

962
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,320
Oh.
Yeah, I'm sorry, So sorry in my.

963
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Opinion.
OK, I I wanted to say not too

964
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:40,960
early.
I didn't say anything.

965
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,320
Shush my goodness.
Wow.

966
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,560
How about how about names on the
board for behaviour whether it's

967
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,360
good or bad?
So sad face.

968
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Sad face.
Similar to your one, I don't

969
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,800
really care.
I think a lot of people have

970
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,640
strong opinions on this and
they're like no, absolutely

971
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,800
can't do it because it's shaming
children.

972
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,960
I do think we go just in my
opinion, just a tiny bit too far

973
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,120
with how much these things have
an impact.

974
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,800
I don't think it matters that
much.

975
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,080
I think if it's part of your
behaviour policy, there are

976
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,520
better behaviour policies out
there.

977
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,080
But if the teacher in my school
was doing this, I wouldn't be

978
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,280
immediately putting them into a
meeting to say not to.

979
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,120
I might I might look at my
behaviour policy.

980
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,720
To see if I can do something
better for the whole school, but

981
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,880
I wouldn't really be too
bothered about this.

982
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,600
OK, next one I keep forgetting
that I've got to do 1.

983
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,920
For you, Yeah, Because it's an
awkward time where I'm like,

984
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,440
Hayden, it's you.
Everyone, everyone liked my

985
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,240
point.
That's a really good point.

986
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,840
That's OK, because Dylan will
lead this, because Dylan does.

987
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,600
Everything.
What have you got to say about

988
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,640
that?
And you're like, we know the

989
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,000
rules are out of the rules and I
can't talk when you're doing it.

990
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,320
OK, Would you have golden time?
End of the week.

991
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,800
Classic.
No.

992
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,240
Oh, I wouldn't have golden time
as like you, everyone does

993
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,040
golden time on a Friday.
At this time.

994
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,000
I just build a culture with my
teachers where I say to them, do

995
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,760
you know what if I come round on
a Tuesday and you're outside

996
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960
having fun with your class, I'm,
I'm involved enough to

997
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,760
understand this isn't happening
every afternoon.

998
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,880
I trust that you're giving your
Class A reward for a reason and

999
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,000
that you're getting through the
curriculum.

1000
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,480
So through building up a culture
of trust, we wouldn't need

1001
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,360
golden time on this day because
of that.

1002
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,080
It would be, do you know what
you have the authority as the

1003
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,200
teacher to reward as and when
you will.

1004
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,240
If I feel like it's going too
far, I'll step in and I'll say,

1005
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,440
OK, let's go around that.
But I think there has to be a

1006
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,440
point where you just kind of
pass that over to your staff.

1007
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,040
I wouldn't be saying this is our
policy every single Friday. 2:55

1008
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,880
We're on the playground.
Kids who have been naughty,

1009
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,600
they're off.
I wouldn't do that.

1010
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,400
Fair play.
So what about pen licences?

1011
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,520
No, absolutely not.
I hate them.

1012
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Yeah, I hate them.
Pen licence.

1013
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,600
I'm just not gonna say anything
about them.

1014
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,560
They're rubbish.
Get rid of them.

1015
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Let a child write in a.
Pen.

1016
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,640
Honestly, just write.
How practise in a pen.

1017
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,680
Yeah, how are you getting a
better pen?

1018
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,360
Write a pen.
You got really good writing in a

1019
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:36,840
pencil.
Cool.

1020
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,160
Here's a completely different
utensil.

1021
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,240
For you.
Yeah, OK, really.

1022
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,680
Yeah, Just give my pen for my
sake.

1023
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,440
Whole class punishments.
I wouldn't have it as my policy

1024
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,280
whatsoever.
Yeah, if I walked in at

1025
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,640
lunchtime and a teacher was
keeping class behind.

1026
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,400
I also wouldn't tell the teacher
to never ever do that.

1027
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,800
It has to be trust.
I don't like it personally, but

1028
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,520
this is something where I'm just
like, OK, if it was happening a

1029
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,920
lot and it was unfair, fair
enough.

1030
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,320
But for a one off, I'd just be
like, yeah, OK, cool, carry on.

1031
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,880
I think as a leader, you just
need to know what's going on.

1032
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,800
I think that's the important
thing.

1033
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Yeah.
OK.

1034
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Hallway monitors.
Yeah, I I quite like the idea of

1035
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,840
that.
I think it's quite sweet.

1036
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,080
Not I wouldn't make children do
it.

1037
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,600
It's like your turn to do it.
You miss your break time now,

1038
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,400
but some kids like doing that,
sort of.

1039
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,680
Thing I guess I'm going to club
in a couple here, like play

1040
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,960
leaders as.
Well, OK, yeah.

1041
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,440
Children having roles around the
school.

1042
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,720
Yeah, I think it's quite nice.
I think it can get out of hand.

1043
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,200
I'm sure you could, you could
absolutely mismanage that.

1044
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,160
But I think children having like
peer on peer stuff is always

1045
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,240
good, whether it's in work, like
looking at each other's, you

1046
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,360
know, writing or whatever, or if
it's just like helping each

1047
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,680
other behave around the
schooling opportunity.

1048
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,440
I think it's nice.
Yeah.

1049
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,200
Like especially when there's
younger ones, you've got big

1050
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,800
ones helping them.
Oh no, we don't walk around the

1051
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,520
school like that.
Seeing it from another kid is

1052
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,040
much better from seeing it from
an adult.

1053
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,040
There's some kids who love it.
Yeah, they love that power.

1054
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,440
Yeah, definitely.
We've banded a few together

1055
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,280
there.
House Points.

1056
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,720
Yes, I love house points.
I think it's, I think it's

1057
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:49,760
encouraging, especially lower
down in the school.

1058
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,520
As you get towards five and year
6, I think children start to

1059
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,120
think, is there any point to
this?

1060
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,600
So I'd build in a point to it.
Maybe it's basically I would do

1061
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,080
that as a whole school thing
because it's a positive

1062
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,240
reinforcement.
So I'd be like, let's do this,

1063
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,720
let's do it properly, let's make
it meaningful.

1064
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,480
Definitely, I like it.
Morning work, when children come

1065
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,880
in, in the morning, first thing
mandatory, do this.

1066
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,880
Do this from the top down.
You know my opinions on this.

1067
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,760
I hate it.
I know I'd have absolutely no

1068
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,720
policy on that.
But would you be annoyed if you

1069
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,280
walked in?
So let's we all know you

1070
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,600
wouldn't.
Would you be annoyed if you

1071
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160
walked in 840?
The kids are coming and it's

1072
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,440
just pure registration and they
were doing timetable sheets.

1073
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,840
No, I'm annoyed about it so.
It itself you don't hate, but.

1074
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,000
No, no, I guess.
I guess I'd be concerned if that

1075
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,040
teacher was being really like
over the top.

1076
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,640
No, they have to do they have to
be complete silence.

1077
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,520
They can't do anything ever
other than this.

1078
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,240
If it was one of their
activities and fine.

1079
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,160
If it's every day I might say to
them if if in my school I have a

1080
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,920
culture of the kids are allowed
outside for the 1st 1015 minutes

1081
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,600
of the day rather than coming
straight and doing work, then I

1082
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,680
would be a bit concerned that
there would be a teacher just

1083
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,480
pulling their whole class in
from that little morning time.

1084
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,320
In fact, I would actually say to
them, don't do that.

1085
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,280
So what you're saying is you'd
build in time where that morning

1086
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,400
time instead of doing some work,
Yeah, you would say it's

1087
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,080
playtime, but.
Yeah, I think, I think it's so

1088
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,440
important for kids to catch up
in the morning.

1089
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,120
I think it's such an underrated
part of the day.

1090
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,320
Let the kids just let them like
zone in to school for Christ's

1091
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,520
sake.
Don't make them do times tables

1092
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,240
45 seconds after they walk
through the door.

1093
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,400
Genuinely, I don't like it.
I really don't like that morning

1094
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,760
work.
Do you think it can work though?

1095
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,280
I think there are some places
for a little bit of structure

1096
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,920
maybe.
Maybe it's a bit of give and

1097
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,880
take.
If they have the 1st 10 minutes

1098
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,240
and the 2nd 10 minutes, they
have to come to the classroom.

1099
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,600
But it's up to the teachers what
they want to do.

1100
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,320
Because you know what, if one
teacher wanted to spend that

1101
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,840
whole 10 minutes chatting about
something happened yesterday, I

1102
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,640
don't want to penalise them in
the same way I don't want to

1103
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,200
penalise the other teacher who's
thinking, do you know what?

1104
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,960
My kids love times.
They play rock stars and they

1105
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,320
just want to play.
On that every day, there's a

1106
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,360
theme here.
Autonomy.

1107
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Autonomy.
Yeah, there is, isn't there?

1108
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,240
Can you not talk?
Sorry, That's actually my point.

1109
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,200
I think I'll be waiting for
that.

1110
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,040
This is interesting one.
It doesn't happen very often.

1111
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Afternoon break, So after lunch,
another break time.

1112
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,480
It's not something I would walk
in on the job and say we're

1113
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,040
doing this immediately.
It is something that I think is

1114
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,440
absolutely brilliant.
I think back to when we were in

1115
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,960
school, we definitely had
afternoon break.

1116
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,520
The children are young enough to
do you know what play is

1117
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,280
important.
I'm a really passionate advocate

1118
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,360
for play.
It's something I'd, I'd walk in

1119
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,560
on and I'd really try and work
on over a bit of time to make it

1120
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,840
happen.
Because what I would not want to

1121
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,040
do is walk in and say, right,
guys, 20 minutes every afternoon

1122
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,360
we're out in the playground.
Because I know as a teacher I'd

1123
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,160
be like, no, I've just planned
all this work you told me to

1124
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,560
plan and now I've got to find 20
minutes somewhere.

1125
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,800
Like you get annoyed when kids
get brought out of lessons for

1126
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,880
certain things.
It would be the same thing on

1127
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,000
steroids, like, yeah, OK, every
single person's missing 20

1128
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,600
minutes every afternoon.
I I'd have to instil again, this

1129
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,800
culture of let's strip things
back a bit.

1130
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,680
It's OK if we do a bit less.
And because of that, the

1131
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,920
children have brought back some
time to play because it's

1132
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,680
important.
And they're five, you know what

1133
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,400
I mean?
I think a lot of infant schools

1134
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,680
do have afternoon break.
I think we're in a Junior

1135
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,080
School.
We're like warped in terms of a

1136
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,160
lot of junior schools don't.
But I, I just think, yeah, what

1137
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,040
is the downside to it, honestly?
Oh, we didn't know I'd do the

1138
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,880
match watching task in our
history lesson.

1139
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,920
OK.
OK, your kids are refreshed.

1140
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,960
They've had a bit of fun.
And you know what?

1141
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,520
They've got more time
interacting with each other and

1142
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,160
they need to be social.
Last one, Yeah.

1143
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,680
Mobile phones in school.
Banham.

1144
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,880
Completely.
Yeah, yeah.

1145
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,360
Every single.
In primary school we're talking

1146
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:01,880
about, right?
Yeah.

1147
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,360
Primary school, Banham,
Absolutely.

1148
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Whatever, they are ridiculous.
Walking home after I need to get

1149
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,200
hold of mum because I'm walking
home I want to.

1150
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,800
Make sure OK, all right, I'm
thinking smartphones.

1151
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,600
My policy would well structured
in my head.

1152
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,440
They can have a little little
Nokia brick phones.

1153
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:13,800
You know what?
I.

1154
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,960
Mean oh, but oh, but little
Johnny's already got an iPhone.

1155
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,480
Don't care, don't go.
Honestly go and buy them a 5 LB

1156
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,360
phone from Tesco.
It's that important to you and

1157
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,760
they've already got 1000 LB
phone.

1158
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,240
Don't get that one.
OK because we have the 1000 LB

1159
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,040
phone.
If this was an issue.

1160
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,760
Seriously don't get the 5 LB
phone.

1161
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,000
Give them that it goes in a box
at school and they can take it.

1162
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,160
In pay as you go, just whacked
in.

1163
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,560
Seriously.
Yeah, honestly, like

1164
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,200
smartphones.
Kids don't need smartphones.

1165
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,600
They are terrible.
They're detrimental to

1166
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,200
everything.
Every.

1167
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,280
They're just terrible.
I.

1168
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,360
Absolutely agree.
Right.

1169
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,120
That was kind of quick fire that
was that was nice.

1170
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,680
So now we're going to go into
categories, let's say.

1171
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,480
So if we were in charge of a
school, like we said a million

1172
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,760
times, we love doing this
podcast because it not only, it

1173
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,720
just gives us an opportunity to
talk about our frustrations,

1174
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,320
which everyone can relate to.
Everyone knows in their job, no

1175
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,680
matter what your job is, there's
always going to be frustrations

1176
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,960
you want to talk about.
And it doesn't mean you hate

1177
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:01,440
everything about your job.
It just means you're a human

1178
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,800
being where things are annoying
and you try and find solutions.

1179
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,800
And a big part of our podcast
that we do really pride

1180
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,920
ourselves on is trying to come
up with solutions rather than

1181
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,280
just saying this is bad, isn't
it?

1182
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,520
Definitely.
So in our 100th episode, we

1183
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,760
thought, let's take our
favourite part of the podcast,

1184
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,160
which is trying to brainstorm
and come up with ways of fixing

1185
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,440
things and kind of just like do
it massively across the board.

1186
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,160
If we're in charge of a school,
what would it look like?

1187
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,560
So we've categorised some bits.
Do you want to start us off?

1188
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,640
It's.
Probably a bit ambitious, isn't

1189
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,480
it?
We've got a lot of things there.

1190
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,040
We get through, we get through.
Do you know what I mean?

1191
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,280
Let's talk about marking because
we've both got quite strong

1192
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,560
opinions on marking, right?
So I kind of want to start with

1193
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,800
you, to be honest with you.
I would like to know, most

1194
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,600
schools have, all schools have a
marking policy.

1195
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,960
What would be your expectations
as a leader of your teachers

1196
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,400
when it comes to marking books
after lessons?

1197
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Yeah, OK.
It it because of my policy

1198
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,320
marking books after lessons
would become really not

1199
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,880
necessary.
OK, so first thing I build in

1200
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,320
the opportunity to live mark as
much as possible.

1201
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,400
And that's not that's not just
because it helps teach

1202
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,760
well-being a workload, but that
is a reason.

1203
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,160
And it's OK for it to be a
reason.

1204
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,960
OK, so that is a reason.
It's also because live marking

1205
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,960
is so much better.
Live marking is so much more for

1206
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,720
the children to have instant
feedback.

1207
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,640
It's just more beneficial.
It's as simple as that.

1208
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,000
So my policy would be as much
live marking as possible in

1209
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,200
maths, almost everyday live
marking, if there's some

1210
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,240
reasoning to go through or some
answers you want to read.

1211
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:32,880
Do you know what I would say
after every maths lesson, you

1212
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,000
should just flick through the
book.

1213
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,480
That can take 20 seconds per
book.

1214
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,960
In a class of 30 children,
that's 10 minutes.

1215
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,320
OK.
I think it's reasonable to have

1216
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,480
just 10 minutes to flick
through.

1217
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,000
Flick through and know where
your children are for English

1218
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,920
and unless it's independent
writing or a chunk of writing,

1219
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,000
again, I would say if it's
sentence level work, marketing

1220
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,280
class.
If they're identifying where the

1221
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,880
adverb is in a sentence,
marketing class.

1222
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,520
If they are putting in adverbs
into a sentence and they're

1223
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,240
doing their own writing, Peer
mark, swap books, identify it

1224
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,320
together, work as a class, do it
in lesson.

1225
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,800
Go around a helicopter.
If they've done a chunk of

1226
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,120
writing or independent write,
we've been testing this recently

1227
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,800
in school for to try and
streamline marketing again

1228
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,600
because I think sitting after
school and writing capital

1229
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,440
letter 54 times in the margin is
pointless.

1230
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,640
So I think what's really working
right now for us in English is

1231
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,040
pick one thing, pick one thing,
look at their writing and pick

1232
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,080
one thing and highlight it.
And tomorrow morning first thing

1233
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,320
they fix it themselves in class.
It's, it's more meaningful then

1234
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,040
because the children are
directly going back to what you

1235
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,040
said and it's individualised for
each child.

1236
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,600
I, I hate marking, but to me
this is the best version of

1237
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,840
English marking I've ever done
because it doesn't take very

1238
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,760
long at all.
And it's really meaningful for

1239
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,440
each child and then they're
fixing it themselves.

1240
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,600
And what's important for me in a
marking policy is the children

1241
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,160
are doing more work than the
adult.

1242
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,680
If that is not the case, then
the marking policy is broken.

1243
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,960
So I that would be my kind of
fundamental outlook when it

1244
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,800
comes to trying to sort marking
in my school, yeah, the children

1245
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,160
do more work than the adult
because A, they can see their

1246
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,520
mistakes immediately and B, it
is complete waste of time for an

1247
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,280
adult to spend all of that time
after school marking when the

1248
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,000
children don't really do
anything in the first place.

1249
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,600
Yeah, brilliant.
I agree with a lot of things you

1250
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,720
said.
I'll add a couple more things.

1251
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,240
I'd been off any kind of
grading, so I really don't like

1252
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:17,160
it.
I think it's very common in

1253
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,800
schools.
We've been in schools before

1254
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,880
where they give stickers and
they had a sticker for like to

1255
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,440
say if they, if we think they've
got it or not.

1256
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,560
Like a green, it's usually
colour coded like I think green

1257
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,920
is very commonly you got it.
Orange or red is very commonly

1258
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,560
you didn't get it and there
might be another colour for

1259
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,680
like, wow, you went above and
beyond.

1260
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,200
I would get rid of that.
A lot of research suggests that

1261
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,120
there's absolutely no benefit to
every single day, every single

1262
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,000
lesson, telling children whether
they got the thing right

1263
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,080
yesterday or wrong.
But there is benefit in giving

1264
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,400
them feedback in some in some
way.

1265
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,800
I think writing is the big
barrier.

1266
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,160
Writing is the one that always
comes back to when I think,

1267
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,200
yeah, scrap the right, you know,
scrap marking completely.

1268
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,800
And then I always come back to
writing and I'm like, yeah, but

1269
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,040
they do just need feedback all
the time of writing because they

1270
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:53,400
can't get better.
That's a hard one.

1271
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:54,960
Self mark as much as possible I
agree with.

1272
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Live mark around the classroom
as much as possible I absolutely

1273
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,240
agree with.
I think most lessons, maths and

1274
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,400
most found foundation subjects
really you can get away of

1275
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,600
honestly not even marking them.
I have, I think I'd be a bit, I

1276
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,360
don't know if I'd do this.
I think I'd be quite open with

1277
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,720
my teachers, right, And just say
I don't care.

1278
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,840
I don't care what you mark and
what you don't.

1279
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,920
I'll come to writing in a
second.

1280
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,920
Writing will be separate because
what we can do is we can, we can

1281
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,960
track the progress.
But what about as a leader?

1282
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,360
I would, it would feel really
uncomfortable to me if one

1283
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,240
teacher was spending two hours
more than another teacher.

1284
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:27,880
So for me, simply just saying I
don't care.

1285
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,040
Do you know what?
I do care.

1286
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,960
I really do care.
And if you're spending loads of

1287
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,040
time marking, we need to come
and try and sort it out and

1288
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,640
realise why.
So I would, I would really say

1289
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,400
to them, you know, like if we're
doing, if we're normalising, no

1290
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,200
marking in books, right, The
children have to go through the

1291
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,800
school not having marking.
Yeah, that's a good point.

1292
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Because as soon as it comes, if
it comes to the year 4 teacher

1293
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,280
and let's say they've got a
different maths teacher who's

1294
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,320
giving them feedback in the
book, but then their English

1295
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,400
teacher isn't because the policy
says I'll do whatever the

1296
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,120
children will becomes.
Why am I not getting in this

1297
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,360
book?
I think it really has to be

1298
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,320
consistent in that respect.
And if we're saying nothing in

1299
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,160
books, maybe doing whole class
marking on a feedback bit of

1300
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,640
paper that I think that has to
be consistent.

1301
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,800
I think that's where it's easy
for us to say, oh, leadership

1302
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,040
are bad because they don't do
this.

1303
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,360
So why do they care?
I'm an autonomous professional.

1304
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,640
I do think there is.
If I became a leader, I would be

1305
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,400
like, no, no, guys, look, it
needs to be like this because

1306
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,000
I've listened to you and I'm
reducing your workload and I'm

1307
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,920
making it more meaningful.
Yeah, that's a good point.

1308
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,800
Because then if someone else
doesn't do it, it does raise the

1309
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,800
bar.
We will always talk about

1310
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,560
someone raises the bar and
everyone's expected to do it.

1311
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,360
You're absolutely right.
So I guess what I meant by I

1312
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,040
don't care is like I, I'd have a
really small threshold and I,

1313
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,800
and why?
But I don't care about things

1314
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,320
like this, right?
I think personally as a teacher,

1315
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,720
I could just flick through some
books and not even all of them

1316
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:41,000
sometimes.
I reckon I could flick through

1317
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,720
sometimes six or seven books
after a maths lesson or an

1318
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,800
English lesson and be like, OK,
I can see a general

1319
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,320
misconception arising and I'm
not going to do 5 misconceptions

1320
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,480
tomorrow.
I'm going to do 1 anyway, so I'm

1321
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,520
going to do the first one I
found.

1322
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,240
I can see what's going on here.
I don't even need to look at all

1323
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,040
the books and I wouldn't.
What I'm saying is I wouldn't

1324
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,200
say to teachers like you have to
look through, if we don't do

1325
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,680
marking, we're really cutting
back on marking.

1326
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,400
But you must look through all
the books every single day.

1327
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,920
I think I'd even go a step
further and be like, you just

1328
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,840
need to get a semblance of what
they can and can't do for the

1329
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,160
next lesson.
You need to understand what the

1330
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,240
misconceptions are.
You might have even honestly

1331
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:13,360
picked it up by the time you've
ended teach, finished teaching

1332
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,880
and you don't even need to look
at the books full stop that day.

1333
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,320
So it's almost like just
allowing them to go even a

1334
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,040
little bit lower with the word
and not higher.

1335
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,120
So I think still setting a bar
of in our school, this is what

1336
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,480
we do.
We live, Mark, and you don't

1337
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,200
give the kids a grade at the end
of each lesson, but you do need

1338
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,240
to, however you do that, know
what the next step is for those

1339
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:31,400
children, whether it means
looking through six books, all

1340
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,200
the books, no books, whatever.
That, that's kind of where I put

1341
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,000
that now with writing.
Few things, I think there's a

1342
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,520
few things.
One whole class feedback I think

1343
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,280
is really powerful because
again, you can do that.

1344
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,360
You can do that in writing.
You can look through six books

1345
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,840
and be like, Oh my God, three of
them already.

1346
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,680
They're not getting apostrophes.
And I really try to focus on

1347
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,080
that today.
That's my thing for tomorrow.

1348
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:47,960
Yeah, whatever.
Do you know what?

1349
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,760
1 focus at a time anyway.
So there's no value in me

1350
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,440
looking at the rest of them.
I already, I can already see

1351
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,600
that.
I think one thing at a time is

1352
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,840
really, really powerful.
Exactly something as complex as

1353
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,360
writing.
And then occasionally I think

1354
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,120
I'd have maybe like a.
Once per term.

1355
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,960
Once per term, there needs to be
some sort of assessed piece.

1356
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,000
And I say assessed loosely
because it could literally just

1357
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,080
be that we build into our school
a time where all the kids get a

1358
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,560
bit of 1 to one feedback of one
of the adults.

1359
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,640
We pull adults together into
that that year group for that

1360
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,080
one week and everyone just gets
a little bit of time to go

1361
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,160
through a piece of work
properly.

1362
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:18,360
It could even be like, imagine
you imagine you, you've got your

1363
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,960
books and you just like record
each kid a minute of feedback on

1364
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,360
a thing.
You just look, you're not set

1365
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,840
that mark in.
I'm getting a grid out.

1366
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,360
Look at it and taking off all
these grid things and assessing

1367
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,480
you're just going recording
something hi Ed about here's my

1368
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,840
feedback reading for your work.
Listen to this just like trying

1369
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,400
to bring it all together then to
finish off marking.

1370
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Now, yeah, what would your
actual policy be then?

1371
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Because I feel like you said
like 5 or 6 different things, a

1372
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,360
bit wishy washy, honest,
honestly about if you were my

1373
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,280
leader, I'd be like, OK, well
what do you want me to do?

1374
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,000
So literally what would you say
to people then?

1375
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,800
Like in terms of we've said lots
of live marking as much as

1376
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,520
possible going through the
books, isn't it?

1377
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,160
When it comes to writing, you
could do this or that, but OK,

1378
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,680
what the people need a policy.
So what would you say to?

1379
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,600
People.
Well, here's what I think we

1380
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,120
need to break the meta.
I think we need a marking right

1381
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,920
policy and I think we need a
marking policy for everything

1382
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,000
else because they're so separate
in my head, I think I always try

1383
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,080
to confine them into the same
thing and they're just not.

1384
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,360
I think that's it.
Writing is totally different.

1385
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,800
It's nothing like any other
subject.

1386
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,280
It isn't anything like it.
It's so subjective.

1387
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,520
They need constant guidance to
improve, nothing like anything

1388
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,600
else.
So I have I'd have a writing

1389
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,600
policy that would encapsulate a
lot of things I was just saying.

1390
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,600
And I'd have a really basic
marking policy of this is this

1391
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,400
is your hierarchy, hierarchy of
how you mark live marking and

1392
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,160
expectations, minimum
expectations.

1393
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,720
And if you can, if you can do it
easier, then do it.

1394
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,920
Use your professional judgement.
Interesting.

1395
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,080
Yes.
OK.

1396
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,440
So OK, the market.
Very interesting.

1397
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,600
I mean, that was a long chat
there.

1398
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,360
Let's let's go into it.
That's ambitious.

1399
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,040
Yeah, very ambitious.
Let's see how much.

1400
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,080
We can get in.
So planning in general, I'm

1401
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,720
going to whack planning in with
how you would manage change as a

1402
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:47,600
leader, OK.
Because when we're talking about

1403
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,040
planning, you know, we can talk
about schemes, we can talk about

1404
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,920
autonomy of the teacher.
And the reason I'm putting it in

1405
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,080
with managing change is because
the huge barrier I'd have as a

1406
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,040
leader when it comes to planning
and managing change and going to

1407
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,960
a new scheme or a new idea is my
my well-being and workload of my

1408
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,920
teachers.
So how would you manage change?

1409
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,000
How would you say to your staff,
do you know what guys, we need

1410
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,360
to change this curriculum for
history that's going to cause

1411
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,200
you to be planning in this way
or that way in general?

1412
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,560
What would you say to your staff
in terms of expectations for

1413
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:21,800
planning?
Where should it be?

1414
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,720
How much is there you they need
to provide to you?

1415
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,600
But also then if, if planning
changed and we had to implement

1416
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,400
huge amounts of workload because
planning takes up most of our

1417
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,640
time, how would you manage that
as well?

1418
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,520
OK, quite a lot there.
I think some really basic ones I

1419
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,920
can do is I.
Wouldn't have written planning.

1420
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,760
I think written planning, I
think that's quite common now.

1421
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,080
That was kind of bend off a long
time ago.

1422
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,600
A lot of people make a lot of
our most of our lessons that's

1423
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,760
face it are on PowerPoint or
smart notebook or something

1424
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:44,920
anyway.
So how would you do a medium

1425
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,280
term plan?
I mean, no, no, yeah.

1426
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,520
Sorry, that's different.
So I mean.

1427
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,120
Like weekly written plans, write
down daily what my what's going

1428
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,720
to be, what the task is, what my
challenges for the children,

1429
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,960
what the, you know all that.
Especially when it's already on

1430
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,440
the slide exactly I think.
Anything where stuff gets.

1431
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,680
Doubled up, we don't do it.
So if the planning already

1432
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,560
exists on the slide, that's
fine.

1433
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,720
But you know what isn't on on
the slide?

1434
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:03,280
The medium term plan.
I think that needs to be

1435
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,720
separate and that comes before,
doesn't it?

1436
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,040
It comes before and it should be
very straightforward.

1437
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,000
Honestly, just a progression of
learning objectives is generally

1438
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,080
fine for most things.
There might be some nuances.

1439
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,800
I'd look into it if my subject
leads.

1440
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,720
OK, maybe we need a little bit
of nuance here, but we keep it

1441
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,800
as simple as possible to show
progression because you're

1442
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,480
planning for progression anyway.
And if you're not doing that,

1443
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,680
you're actually not doing your
job properly.

1444
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,320
So I do think you need to plan
for progression.

1445
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,280
And if you're doing that, you
might as well just write it down

1446
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,800
and also in that if they.
Already exist somewhere, like

1447
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,800
for example the White Rose
scheme of learning that

1448
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:31,920
progression of medium term
plans.

1449
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,560
Don't rewrite, no, you just use
that.

1450
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,320
Just use that.
Yeah, you, you literally say,

1451
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,680
oh, I'm using that progression
document.

1452
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Oh, it's not in our format
though, is it the number that's

1453
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,200
called logo at the top logo.
OK, It's not in size 112.

1454
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:41,960
Yeah.
Yeah.

1455
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,640
OK.
So planning that there'd be very

1456
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,080
loose rules around like that
sort of stuff.

1457
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,960
Like, it has to be, you know,
some schools are really strict.

1458
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,800
Like everything is in comic sand
and it's all size 12.

1459
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,120
You must got progression.
You must.

1460
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Use a green.
Here's the hex code for the.

1461
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Colour of the green that we use
in the background for all slides

1462
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,120
OK all right you know I just say
look even if I wanted the colour

1463
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,920
belt just use a colour
background because maybe it's

1464
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,560
easier for children to see I
don't really care about your

1465
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,880
font don't really care whatever
you're not going to micromanage

1466
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,360
yeah I'm not going to
micromanage at that level if.

1467
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,560
I had a problem.
I then maybe dive deep into that

1468
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,160
that with that one member of
staff.

1469
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,920
But OK, maybe you're just you're
missing something here, but

1470
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,040
going back to managing change,
this is a huge thing and this is

1471
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,880
something that I think schools
are missing out on big time

1472
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,840
because this managing change,
just to clarify.

1473
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,440
It it is basically all about
whacking on planning workload.

1474
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,000
That is basically what change
does.

1475
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,920
I have been in this school and
you guys listening will

1476
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,440
probably.
Have been in a school at some

1477
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,560
point where they change four
things at once and it is too

1478
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,840
much it is literally too much.
You cannot do it.

1479
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,160
One or two things happens people
burn out and they you know, they

1480
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,560
sacrifice so much in their lives
to do it or people don't do it

1481
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,160
properly and then it was
complete the pointless anyway,

1482
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,440
right?
Which I think often happens.

1483
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,520
So what would you do as well?
What would I so I would have?

1484
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,680
A very, very.
Clear policy of managing change

1485
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,320
where firstly, if we want to
change something has to come of

1486
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,680
extremely clear rationale and
evidence that we need to change

1487
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,800
it.
And that wouldn't just be from

1488
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,840
me, that be with the team that
say it was particular subject.

1489
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,680
We have the subject lead.
We might even have an external

1490
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,880
person if you got people working
in local authority, whatever

1491
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,280
hooped up.
Often schools do have advisors,

1492
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,720
improvement advisor, improvement
plans, you talk to the

1493
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,120
governors, whatever, be like,
right.

1494
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,400
I think we need to focus on this
really clear.

1495
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,840
That's step one of the managing
change policy.

1496
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,160
You haven't done that.
You've broken the policy.

1497
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,240
You can't just be like, oh,
overnight, oh, you know what, I

1498
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,440
saw some books yesterday and
actually I'm sick of this.

1499
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,120
I'm changing it tomorrow.
No, you can't do that #2

1500
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,400
training if you think.
That change?

1501
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,040
Comes because teachers just
don't fancy it and you saying oh

1502
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,640
you got to make it better now is
the reason that it wasn't

1503
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,480
already that good.
You are insane.

1504
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,520
It has to cut if you.
If you want to make a.

1505
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,120
Change.
Then you got to take leadership.

1506
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,400
You got to take only.
You're a leader.

1507
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,200
You got to manage your staff by
providing them with the adequate

1508
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,200
training and plenty of time for
them to really internalise that

1509
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,240
because teachers are busy, they
don't often do you know, what if

1510
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,600
your training is going to be
after, after a long day for five

1511
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,320
weeks in a row, the chance are
they going to remember all of it

1512
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,600
anyway?
Because that's a good quality

1513
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,200
training, good quality training
in place.

1514
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,320
OK.
Measure it, then test it.

1515
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,200
So you'd have a maybe a control,
a small, a couple of members of

1516
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,160
staff, perhaps you give a few
mornings out, say can you have a

1517
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,160
go at this?
I want to see if this is even

1518
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,960
doable, see what they produce
and time it.

1519
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,080
And see what impact it's going.
To have and make a decision

1520
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,880
based on that as well.
Don't be afraid to say no to

1521
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,000
something because you know it's
going to have detrimental impact

1522
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,000
on workflow.
Don't just be blinded by the

1523
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,280
fact that it's a it, oh, it's a
4% improvement in what we could

1524
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,120
possibly do, but it's going to
increase workflow by 50%.

1525
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,560
As a leader, I would be, so I
would be weighing up that all

1526
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,560
the time.
And it would not be a case of

1527
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,960
just oh can I eke out 2% because
if it's not worth my teachers

1528
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,160
time, it's going to have a
detrimental impact on the whole

1529
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,000
curriculum they're delivering
because they're burnt out.

1530
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,320
Step 3.
Impact genuinely.

1531
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,680
Measure the impact, exactly what
you just said, on staff and on

1532
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,280
the children in a controlled
environment.

1533
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,400
In a controlled environment,
you're giving people time to do

1534
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,320
this.
They are, you know, they're

1535
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,960
being your Guinea pigs, they're
being helpful and they're doing

1536
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,440
this for you.
And you measure both.

1537
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,000
And if they don't both meet
whatever threshold I would have,

1538
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,160
I know it right now, but there'd
be a threshold of it has to be

1539
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,960
not this bad for teachers and it
has to be this much better for

1540
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,280
pupils.
If it doesn't meet those two

1541
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,760
criteria, then we go back to the
drawing board and then finally

1542
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,120
implementing and reviewing, but
giving staff the time as much as

1543
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,160
humanly possible.
If you're saying this is going

1544
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,000
to cost you four extra hours a
week and I'm and I'm taking

1545
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:19,720
nothing away and then you don't
even try to give them some time

1546
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,120
to do that.
So you would give time.

1547
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,160
Absolutely, I would give time.
Absolutely, I give time.

1548
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,040
Not just expected.
Yeah, do.

1549
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,240
You know I don't have a.
Wishy washy world maybe?

1550
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,520
Maybe I can only actually
physically give them two hours a

1551
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,120
week for a few for a month to
try and do this, but it ends up

1552
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,720
taking them four hours and a big
thing.

1553
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,280
Don't change four things at
once.

1554
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,640
Yeah, that's the biggest thing,
isn't it?

1555
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:39,240
Yeah.
So you know.

1556
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,680
You're doing all this because
it's going to.

1557
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,680
Imagine changing a curriculum
for English, let's say, for an

1558
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,320
entire school is going to impact
all of your primary school

1559
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,680
teachers because they all teach
English.

1560
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,120
Yeah, don't do something else at
the same time.

1561
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,520
Don't change maths.
That's happening.

1562
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,040
Yeah.
And I think that's where a

1563
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,800
leader has to be on top of your
maths lead, your English stage,

1564
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,840
your RE lead, your science lead,
because you have to say to them,

1565
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,800
look, that's a fantastic idea.
But we are full 100% going on

1566
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,200
this at the minute.
Chill out.

1567
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,160
And here's the catch 22 if you
as a leader.

1568
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,960
You start this and you're like,
Oh no, but we actually really

1569
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,240
have to change this other
subject.

1570
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,480
Why have you not identified this
until now?

1571
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,240
Why is it so urgently in need of
change right now?

1572
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,720
Like what happened in the lead
up to this?

1573
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,920
Because you know, what if it was
that urgent right now and things

1574
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,560
don't just go from zero to 100
overnight or, or backwards, you

1575
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,360
know, I mean, and you've, you've
done something wrong and you've

1576
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,600
missed it.
That's on you.

1577
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,600
That's not on your staff now to
pick up your pieces because you

1578
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,320
didn't notice something else was
desperately in need of change as

1579
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,920
well.
One thing at a time, right?

1580
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,600
These these points are really
good I'm.

1581
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,760
Actually really enjoying this
conversation, but I'm gonna ask

1582
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,280
us to narrow this down a bit.
Now let's let's get laser

1583
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,360
focused.
We're kind of falling into that

1584
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,520
little bit of a trap where
people probably listen, they're

1585
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,880
like, well, what would you do as
leaders?

1586
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,480
And we're like, well, here's
five different things that I

1587
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,000
call let's narrow it down.
Then you've got one for me.

1588
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:51,440
Yeah.
OK.

1589
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,200
All right, let's let's do that.
So what would your?

1590
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,840
Policy be for homework.
OK homework.

1591
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,840
I'm talking a primary.
School Now my, my homework

1592
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,600
policy would be very
straightforward, read for at

1593
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,840
least half an hour every week,
practise your times tables for

1594
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:05,840
at least half an hour every
week.

1595
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,840
And I say half an hour and that
people won't think what look,

1596
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,800
what I would do is I would
incentivise it up to half an

1597
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,160
hour.
OK, if children are not getting

1598
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,600
the support at home, I don't
believe in punishing the

1599
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,360
children.
I I don't like that at all.

1600
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,720
So I'd have no punishment in
place.

1601
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,440
But what I would do is as a
school, it'd be our duty to make

1602
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,640
sure the children are getting at
least half an hour of an adult

1603
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,320
reading every week and at least
half an hour of times table or

1604
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,840
maths like #1's practise every
week, the basic skills.

1605
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,600
So that would be the homework.
And if it's not happening that

1606
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,000
we would step in for those
children.

1607
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,720
And that would be my policy, as
simple as that.

1608
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,840
Every single child in my school
would be getting at least half

1609
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,360
an hour of quality reading, more
to be honest if it was lower

1610
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,080
down in the school, and at least
half an hour of quality

1611
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,800
timetable practise.
And that would be either through

1612
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,800
built in timetabled stuff or
through home.

1613
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,200
And I would say to parents, and
I'd make it as simplistic as

1614
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,520
possible.
If you can reach this goal, it

1615
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,640
will have an amazing effect on
your children, particularly

1616
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,600
reading.
But I would view children not

1617
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,520
doing homework in a primary
school as our burden and not the

1618
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,840
child's punishment.
Yeah.

1619
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,640
What do you mean by that?
What I mean by that is.

1620
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:15,680
I think a lot of schools kind
of.

1621
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,040
Fall into if you're not doing
your homework at home, staying

1622
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,400
at break time, right?
If you're not doing your

1623
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,640
homework at home, I'm going to
punish you by you're missing

1624
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,760
your break. 2 reasons I think
break time is incredibly

1625
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,400
important.
I really do.

1626
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,120
And I'm not just saying it
because Oh yeah, of course you

1627
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,000
would.
Kids get the kids out.

1628
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,440
You don't got them in your
classroom anymore.

1629
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,320
Well, that's one part of it.
It's my break time as well.

1630
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,680
The other part of it is it's
just good for children to get

1631
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,240
outside and socialise.
And I think it, I think it's

1632
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,560
just squeezed too much anyway.
And the other part is I just

1633
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,080
when they're a certain age and
they're young, there's certain

1634
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,320
home lives where you can't get
your homework done for every

1635
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,280
reason.
It has to be from the parents at

1636
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,760
home, the adults at home to also
just instil that, you know,

1637
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,160
drive to do it at home.
It's a trick on, isn't it?

1638
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,400
At the end of the day, there's
got to be a line.

1639
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,040
Somewhere.
So sure, it has to be a line

1640
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,520
somewhere, as in like it's.
Like.

1641
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,520
Is it only our responsibility to
get these kids?

1642
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,560
No, No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Because I'm agreeing with you.

1643
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:09,480
I'm.
Saying like, there's got to be a

1644
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:10,720
line where.
Eventually it's just like, well,

1645
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:11,920
look at the end of the day,
parents say is your

1646
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:12,680
responsibility.
We can.

1647
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:13,680
You're all guidance in the
world.

1648
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,520
Yeah, completely got to read.
But what I mean?

1649
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,600
Is if there's, if there's a 5
year old not getting half an

1650
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,440
hour reading with Nava every
week, yeah, I'm going to make

1651
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,160
sure that happens.
That's what I'm saying.

1652
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,360
I'm, I'm, I'm just saying that I
would, I would say to parents do

1653
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:25,960
this.
Yeah.

1654
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,040
But I would say, do you know
what I'm going to provide the

1655
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,640
safety net in school if they can
do extra at home.

1656
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,760
These are the two things that
are very simple for you to do

1657
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,280
that will have an impact.
But I'm going to provide the

1658
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,280
safety net in my school where I
know my children are getting

1659
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,200
this minimal level.
I find that really interesting

1660
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,320
because what you're essentially
saying is you.

1661
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,360
Won't rely on the homework being
an essential part of like how

1662
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,200
they they achieve stuff at
school you what the school

1663
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,600
facilitates that and these are
all things that I really would

1664
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,960
like you to do yeah but you know
what it's not going to be like

1665
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,160
you know my week doesn't break
because they didn't do the

1666
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,240
homework I'm not going to punish
them at break time I'm going to

1667
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,400
just factor in some things in
school and that's why I think

1668
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,040
from my point of view with.
You know, a lot of people say

1669
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,880
about what about spellings?
Should they go home?

1670
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,720
Yeah, that's probably like the
middle ground between doing

1671
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,120
like, you know, really
complicated homework and times

1672
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,520
tables and reading.
I think it should just be

1673
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,400
simplified.
Homework is just times tables

1674
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,680
and reading and spelling's
taught in classes.

1675
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,720
We pass it in school.
I just think it's really simple

1676
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,160
for parents to understand very
clear goals.

1677
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,440
You can remember it like that,
like really instantly.

1678
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,960
And we provide the safety net.
Still in school.

1679
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:24,440
That would be my policy.
Yeah.

1680
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,160
Brilliant.
Brilliant.

1681
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:25,880
Love that.
Thank you.

1682
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:26,440
That's really.
Good.

1683
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,120
Welcome.
You're welcome.

1684
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,560
So how about?
I'm, I'm going to pick your

1685
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:30,640
brains.
You're, you're a leader in

1686
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,240
school.
What would your timetable look

1687
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,680
like?
This is a quite bulky question,

1688
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,720
I get it.
But just just like a theme,

1689
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,840
let's say like, yeah, would it
be really strict?

1690
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,760
Would it be very calculated?
Would it be X amount of time and

1691
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,000
this X timeout and that?
What would your timetable look

1692
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,720
like?
And importantly, what would PPA

1693
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,240
look like for staff?
Because unfortunately I did a

1694
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,720
poll recently on Instagram and I
think it was something like

1695
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:58,000
between 20 and 30% of teachers
don't get consistent PPA where

1696
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,400
they know what's happening every
single week.

1697
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,600
That is mad to me.
I wouldn't be that I'm going to.

1698
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,760
Start with PPA and I'm going to
backwards work from a timetable

1699
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:09,000
PPA at my school, I would find a
way to make the dream work.

1700
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,760
The one we talked about the
other week.

1701
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,360
I would find a way to give
teachers a day off a week and I

1702
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,320
and I would, I'm assuming in my
made-up school here because

1703
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:18,920
obviously every school's
different size, right?

1704
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,040
I'm assuming my made-up school,
let's say I've got a bog

1705
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,000
standard like 2 for mentary
school, all the teachers, they

1706
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,720
have some sort of subject
leadership, but just one, right?

1707
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,000
And I would just band it
together with that one day a

1708
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,080
week and I'd make it happen.
Whether it, whether it was

1709
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,800
getting PPA staff in, like I
know our school and other

1710
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,160
schools, we have specialists
come in to teach certain things.

1711
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,080
In that other school example,
there was an art specialist

1712
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,360
coming in, whatever.
But I would find ways to happen,

1713
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,480
make that happen.
And my PPA, I would never, ever,

1714
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,160
ever, ever.
I'd be so clear in my culture in

1715
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,920
my school that PPA is sacred.
It is your time as a teacher to

1716
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,040
do what you feel is necessary.
It's completely undirected.

1717
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,840
I would never ever never let
anything or anyone in my school.

1718
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,560
I'd be so draconian with this
that you cannot do it so strict.

1719
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,640
Take away that time from a
teacher and I'd say you can use

1720
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,760
it in the building or not.
If there happens to be something

1721
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,160
that you have to be in the
building for after school, it's

1722
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,800
up to you whether you want to go
home or not for it.

1723
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,080
If it was every single week, I'd
make sure that wasn't happening

1724
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,800
because it's not fair.
If it was one member of staff

1725
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,160
whose PPA was always before this
planned meeting at half, I'd be

1726
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,200
like, that's literally not fair.
So I would find a way.

1727
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,560
Either the meeting would change
doing teams or they come in in

1728
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,439
teams or whatever it is.
You'd find a way that they can

1729
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,800
go home still if they'd like to.
So that's PPA.

1730
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:26,479
I'm finding a way to do it.
I know.

1731
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,120
Budget, Budget, OK, I know.
But some schools do it, so

1732
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,040
clearly it's possible.
Yeah.

1733
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,840
So it's possible.
There'll be Ted teachers.

1734
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,160
Listening to this guy, I wish I
could, but I just can't.

1735
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,160
Do you know what?
Look, I, I it's case.

1736
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:37,880
By case at this point there's no
point me making up you would

1737
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,960
try.
I would, yeah, try my hard.

1738
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,319
I'd do everything I possibly
could to make that a reality.

1739
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,399
And it'd be one of my highest
priorities because I think I get

1740
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,479
better teachers out of it.
And TA is listening, saying,

1741
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,080
well, that's just us for.
Cover then you you wouldn't.

1742
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,120
No, no TA, that wouldn't be my
go to.

1743
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,880
Policy.
I'm sure some TA might be end up

1744
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,279
being used for certain things,
but it wouldn't be my go to

1745
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,960
policy that Tasmania are
covering a whole day doing PPA

1746
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,200
and if they do, they've got
time.

1747
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,279
Yeah, it'd be.
Fair.

1748
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,520
Basically it would be something
else, but it really does depend

1749
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:03,359
on the schools.
There's no point.

1750
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,840
Pretending I can do one example,
that's what I'd strive towards

1751
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,760
and in my timetable, my
timetable, I think I'd sit with

1752
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,720
my I would sit with my staff and
I'd say look this is my

1753
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,880
expectations of how much maths
and English I want to get taught

1754
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,680
because they're the core
subjects and we'd and we'd come

1755
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,600
together we'd probably I'd
science that's cool.

1756
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,000
Science is a core subject, but.
It's.

1757
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,439
Not do you know what I mean?
It is, but it's not.

1758
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,399
But, but as a head, you've got
the opportunity to.

1759
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,720
Really instil the fact Oh no,
no, it is a core subject and I

1760
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,040
don't care that it's not in this
hat.

1761
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,319
I'm not going to fall into this
trap.

1762
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,279
Do you know what?
Yeah, we're going to do X amount

1763
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:34,000
of science as well.
So would you, would you say that

1764
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,680
for science or would you?
No, I'd keep science as a topic

1765
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,399
base it sounds.
Like you would, but I just

1766
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:40,560
would, I'd I'd keep science as a
as a topic based thing.

1767
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,080
I'd maybe give it a bit more
weighting than the other

1768
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,120
subjects so there is more time
to explore that subject

1769
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,479
completely.
So what I'm saying is, I guess

1770
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,439
with maths and English you're
saying?

1771
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,479
Minimum amount of time I need to
spend on this like we need to

1772
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,600
get.
I mean, I would have that for

1773
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,000
the other subjects as well, but
I'd start I, I.

1774
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,480
Was just starting with maths and
English.

1775
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:55,760
I, I, you know.
I've heard of.

1776
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,240
Schools where they do well, they
don't necessarily just have

1777
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,320
maths every morning at the same
time.

1778
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,880
Sometimes I have maths in the
afternoon on a different

1779
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:01,920
subject.
I really like that.

1780
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,800
I'd quite like to create a
timetable for my school that

1781
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,240
would work where it's not just
maths the same slot every day or

1782
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,480
five days a week.
I also really like the idea of

1783
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:12,400
in my timetable of only having 4
maths lessons per week.

1784
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,640
I don't think we need, I don't
think I've said this before and

1785
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,680
I'll die on this hill.
I don't think we need to do as

1786
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,160
much maths and possibly even
English as we so that we can do

1787
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,560
more science.
So we'll, yeah.

1788
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:24,120
Do you know?
What?

1789
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:25,960
Yeah, so we.
Can do a bit more science and,

1790
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,880
and whatever other subjects, you
know, maybe we're focusing on

1791
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,720
that term.
But I think I'd have a set, a

1792
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,400
set timetable, but it would be
slightly malleable in terms of,

1793
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,400
you know, if a teacher, if it
was a class teacher, I didn't

1794
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,720
have sets in your school.
In my school probably wouldn't

1795
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:38,960
be sets.
So it might just be, you know,

1796
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,200
you've got your class.
Yeah, if they wanted to do

1797
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,880
English in the first slot and
then maths in the second slot,

1798
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,560
if it was that day, I'd liked a
timetable where it is a bit

1799
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:46,520
malleable.
I think there's too many

1800
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,640
timetables that are unbelievably
strict and like and not

1801
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,400
adaptable.
What, so that every 5 minutes,

1802
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,040
every five?
And I?

1803
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,640
Would want a timetable that's.
A bit more adaptable than that.

1804
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,960
Not completely wishy washy.
Do what you want guys.

1805
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,720
But you know what, these slots
exist.

1806
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,720
And if you really need to Swatch
that you want to do art on that

1807
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,040
morning and in fact you want to
do art in the whole morning, you

1808
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,200
know this really big project.
That's fine.

1809
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:05,440
Do you know what?
Just do English there and do

1810
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:07,000
maths the next day.
Yeah, that's OK.

1811
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,200
So my timetable will be
malleable.

1812
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:08,800
Yeah.
And.

1813
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,440
And do you know what?
Sometimes, yeah.

1814
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,120
I want to do a lesson with my
children first aim because

1815
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,160
they're just more fresh and
ready.

1816
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,120
Yeah.
And it's kind of annoying that

1817
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,560
the only time I ever do history
is when they're absolutely done

1818
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,600
in from a whole morning of
working extremely hard to finish

1819
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,840
a math.
Yeah, sometimes I'll do a

1820
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,440
history morning.
What is the math in the

1821
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:24,600
afternoon and what you mix it
up?

1822
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,760
Because it would just it would
really highlight the importance

1823
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,400
of the other subjects, I think.
And it would it would get more

1824
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,720
out of the children.
And I think there's a lot of

1825
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,320
room in that kind of idea for
more cross curricular stuff.

1826
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,640
You know what English really is?
Almost every subject you do a

1827
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,360
history morning.
I I tell you now you'll be doing

1828
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,040
English throughout it.
Yeah, of course you will.

1829
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,600
Yeah, you can't.
Not built in.

1830
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,480
Yeah, you want to.
Read this text about Henry the

1831
01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:47,800
Eighth.
Yeah.

1832
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,920
Yeah answer questions about him.
That's reading comprehension,

1833
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,400
that's understanding, that's
word meaning.

1834
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,360
I've vocabulary is huge part of
topic.

1835
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:56,640
Yeah massive, massive.
I've heard of some schools that

1836
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,280
have a completely, completely
malleable timetable where they

1837
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,360
just say you just have to have 4
maths lessons and foreign

1838
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,240
lessons or five or whatever and
this amount of the other lessons

1839
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:05,440
in the week and you make it
work.

1840
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,880
I think that's crazy.
I think as a little bit like, I

1841
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,520
actually think ironically that
probably has just unnecessarily

1842
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,160
workload on the teachers because
I've got to think about that

1843
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,080
guys in there and plan a
timetable every week and it

1844
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,720
probably end up being the same.
But I like it though.

1845
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,160
It's kind of cool isn't it?
Like I.

1846
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:18,160
Think there's a nice middle
ground?

1847
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,280
There of hopefully the theme is
coming across here.

1848
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,880
I think we need to break the
system a little bit.

1849
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,320
Yeah, I think we need to break
that.

1850
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,720
Everyone does this.
This is how it works in

1851
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,480
teachings, Robert said.
You know, what do we have to do?

1852
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,560
We need a set timetable where
maths, language talk five days a

1853
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,360
week, every single time at the
same time I suppose.

1854
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,000
Link to that, then let's talk
about the last.

1855
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,600
Thing we're going to talk about
here, there's plenty more we

1856
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,160
could have gone into, but the
last thing I really want to talk

1857
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:41,080
about then to finish off is as
leaders, I feel really strongly

1858
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,920
about this one because we've
talked about it a lot, is

1859
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,880
observations, accountability,
feeding back to your staff.

1860
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,840
If you could try and explain in
one minute what your ethos would

1861
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,120
be for the giving back of
feedback and helping your staff

1862
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,320
and sometimes criticising them,
what would it be?

1863
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,680
What would be your outlook?
What would be your mission

1864
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,080
almost.
How would you do it?

1865
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:08,400
Daily drop insurance.
No formal observations at any

1866
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,120
point unless in dire
circumstances.

1867
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,080
At the end of the day, there
might be a situation where you

1868
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,160
know there's something's
happening with a teacher and you

1869
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,600
need to, OK, that's part of
being a leader on day-to-day

1870
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,320
basis.
Those two things.

1871
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,000
That is it honestly.
Why?

1872
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,720
But why daily?
Why daily dropping?

1873
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,880
So powerful because I completely
agree with you, but there'll be

1874
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,320
some people saying Oh my gosh,
daily droppings.

1875
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,480
I hate it when someone just
drops in an unannounced because

1876
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:33,160
in my ethos I wouldn't be.
That scary figure I wouldn't be

1877
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,360
going around looking and
nitpicking and picking stuff up.

1878
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,240
I'd have a positive sandwich
policy in my head of I can

1879
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,600
never, ever, ever just randomly
pick up on something bad unless

1880
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,280
I'm saying nice things as well
like that have to be really

1881
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,560
important to me.
I think when you're just

1882
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,880
negative to someone, it doesn't
do anything but get that back

1883
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,320
up.
So I have that that.

1884
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,240
So my ethos, hopefully the
culture of my school would be

1885
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,640
quite calm anyway, kind of like
it is at our school.

1886
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,120
If I had teacher walks in, I
don't feel nervous because I

1887
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,760
don't think he's there to try
and catch me out.

1888
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,760
And that's what that's the same,
you know, way I'd be doing it as

1889
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,080
well.
But he's there to see the

1890
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,440
children, John.
That's a big thing of me as a

1891
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:08,080
leader.
I want to be with the kids.

1892
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,480
Yeah.
I don't want to miss out on

1893
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:10,840
being with the kids.
If I become a leader.

1894
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,600
I think that's a big thing
stopping me from wanting to do

1895
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:13,760
it.
I want to be with the children

1896
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,760
as much as possible.
So the idea of these drop INS

1897
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,520
and and me honestly, you know,
dropping into a class and

1898
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,560
helping a table out for 10
minutes, Yeah, I want that to be

1899
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,160
normal.
I don't want my staff to think

1900
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:23,920
like I'm stepping on their toes
by doing that.

1901
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,040
I want my staff to think, oh,
that's so useful.

1902
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,160
I really appreciate that.
And me going just want to help

1903
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:29,360
you out.
Yeah, I want to walk through.

1904
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,960
I want to see the children.
I want to say good morning.

1905
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,560
I want to say good morning to my
staff.

1906
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,800
I want to see them do what they
do and say, yeah, I want to walk

1907
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,000
through a classroom and see a
teacher teaching and go aren't

1908
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,800
aren't you kids lucky to have
Miss?

1909
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,000
Is it?
Look how hard she's doing.

1910
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,240
So that's a mate and you're
working so hard for her.

1911
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,760
Aren't you both so lucky to have
each other and just walk through

1912
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:47,960
that is it doesn't have to be
for a reason to have to be

1913
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,240
ticking a box.
The ethos is positivity, the

1914
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,360
culture is helping.
And I just think that that that

1915
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,240
can come from small things like
that.

1916
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,080
And if you genuinely really care
about your staff in that way,

1917
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,840
And I think a lot of leaders do
really, genuinely care about

1918
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,240
their staff, but they're stuck
doing something else away in

1919
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,400
their office somewhere.
I don't think you're bad if you

1920
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,200
don't do this.
OK, I don't think I'm saying

1921
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,800
that, but I think this going out
of your way to do that, I think

1922
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,280
can really set the tone for, oh,
I work in a place I'm

1923
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,600
appreciated the the leadership
know how hard teachers are

1924
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,280
working constantly.
And yeah, OK, words aren't going

1925
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,800
to pay the bills.
But my goodness me, he's working

1926
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,400
to reduce my workload.
He's trying to help me at every

1927
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,080
single corner he can.
He's giving me positive

1928
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,280
feedback.
He trusts me to do my job

1929
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,400
checking in I think.
The biggest thing for me if I

1930
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,320
became a.
Leader would to be building this

1931
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,320
environment where my teachers
want to stay in teaching and

1932
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,520
that sounds ridiculous, doesn't
it?

1933
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,280
But if you look at the retention
problem right now, I would feel

1934
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,480
like I would be a success as a
leader is if at the end of the

1935
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:51,160
school year, my staff are
looking forward to the next one.

1936
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,760
Yeah, that's a really good
point.

1937
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:53,960
I'm going to leave this point
on.

1938
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,520
This on an analogy right about
the everyone understand in

1939
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:01,320
education, right.
I always think that if you took

1940
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,160
away marking from me and I
couldn't mark a single book for

1941
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,480
the rest of the year, if someone
said to me, oh, do you think

1942
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,440
you'll still make progress?
Yeah, of course I will.

1943
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,040
Do you know what?
Or you still know where the kids

1944
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:10,920
are?
Yes.

1945
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:15,640
In the same way that you don't
need, I don't need in my lovely

1946
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:20,640
school that I work in to go to
formally observe my teachers 3 *

1947
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,120
a year on a bit of paper.
If I'm dropping in all the time,

1948
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:28,040
I will pick up anything I need
to pick up as a manager, whether

1949
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,080
it's something that, you know,
is a difficult conversation that

1950
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,280
I need to have with someone or
it's just a bit of praise, I'll

1951
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,560
pick it up in the same way that
I pick it up when I teach my

1952
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,320
kids every day in the classroom.
Do you know what?

1953
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,440
I don't need to look at that?
Books.

1954
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:40,400
I don't.
There might be small, tiny

1955
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,200
things you could gain, which is
obviously why people do form

1956
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,600
observations, tiny things, but
it's not worth it.

1957
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,680
It's not worth the cons that
come with it.

1958
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,920
So yeah, I would absolutely have
that ethos.

1959
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,720
Everything would be positive.
And I think I'd ask my staff

1960
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,280
every day, is there anything I
can do for you?

1961
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,440
Yeah, that'd be, you know, just
so easy.

1962
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:57,560
Just walk into the room.
Oh, my kids getting on.

1963
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:58,320
Right.
Excellent.

1964
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,040
All right, Mr. Price, anything I
can do for you today?

1965
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,720
You're good.
A new car.

1966
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,880
Oh.
Can I tell you what you.

1967
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,680
Said you'll be positive.
Come on.

1968
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,720
Yeah, Yeah, I.
Gave you a new car last week and

1969
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:08,880
you asked me the week before as
well.

1970
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:10,720
Three cars.
Are you sure you need three

1971
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,040
cars?
Okay, yeah, but there we are no

1972
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,120
positive.
I think that captures it,

1973
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:15,960
doesn't it really?
It's finished.

1974
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,440
You know, we're getting on now,
but if we were leaders, it'd all

1975
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,880
be about positivity, making
positive change, managing

1976
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,160
workload.
Yeah, massively, actively doing

1977
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:25,760
something for that.
Actively.

1978
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,600
Not waiting for my staff to burn
out and say, oh, by the way, can

1979
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,360
you help?
I think a lot of leaders who

1980
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,120
have the best of intentions,
they wait for that to happen.

1981
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,280
Yeah.
And then they want to help.

1982
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,600
And a lot of leaders say, no, I
just want you to come to me and

1983
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:37,920
talk to me about it.
Of course, I'll help you.

1984
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,600
And lots of leaders will, the
best leaders don't let it get to

1985
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,560
that point in the 1st place if
possible.

1986
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,000
There are lots of limitations
still like we talk about all the

1987
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,240
time.
I don't think it's going to be,

1988
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,120
oh, I'm going to come in and do
this brilliantly.

1989
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,880
But I just think small little
things like that make a huge

1990
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,200
difference.
Oh, but Dylan is, some people

1991
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,160
say, oh, Dylan, you've talked a
lot.

1992
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:55,280
About what you'll do for
teachers.

1993
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,800
What about the children?
What about the children?

1994
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,800
OK, do you know what?
I hope this comes.

1995
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,960
Across when I'm talking, the
only thing I care about is the

1996
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,720
outcomes for the children,
because in me helping my staff

1997
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,360
who I also care about, the
children will get a better

1998
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:09,640
education.
Do you know what I care about?

1999
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:11,160
Only the children.
It's really weird.

2000
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:11,960
Not the staff, it's really.
Weird.

2001
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,440
Do I care about other?
Human beings?

2002
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:15,680
Yeah, literally.
Are you another human being?

2003
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,120
Cool, I care about you.
Yeah, it's so simple, isn't it?

2004
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:19,040
Yeah, it's so.
Simple.

2005
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,400
I feel the same.
I loved that.

2006
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,160
That was really good. 100
episode.

2007
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,880
Do you think we're going to get
to 200?

2008
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,600
I think.
Absolutely.

2009
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,120
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, of course we will.

2010
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:28,880
First one.
OK, guys.

2011
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,360
See you next time for 1:01.
Doesn't sound as we just.

2012
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:32,880
I tell you what, if we just
write 200 the.

2013
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,360
Next one we have done it.
See you next week for episode

2014
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:35,920
200.