Ep 155: Crazy Book Day Costumes, Teachers Signing NDAs & Does It Matter If Your Class Likes You?

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Hello everyone and welcome back
to another episode of TC Repeat.

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My name is Dylan and my name is
Hayden.

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I'm trying to go really quickly
because I listened to the

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episode the other day and it
wasn't on my usual Sorry to come

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back down.
I, I listened to podcasts on

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like 1.5.
I'm a busy man, I need to get

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through all them podcasts and
then I realised I've zoned out

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and have to remind it and it
probably ends up being the same

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amount of time anyway.
I I was checking out a link, we

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set up this thing on Instagram
that like automatically sends

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messages out to people now.
Yeah, yeah, because I can't.

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Handle all their messages I.
Can't do that and you're a busy

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man.
Busy man.

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Got listed on my 1.5 podcast and
I just clicked it to see if it

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was working.
I tested it on my personal one.

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It went to the podcast.
I thought oh it's working nice.

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I'm just press play and it I, I
felt like I was talking like a

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snail.
That's so funny it's taken you

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154 episodes of the exact same
intro to make you think, oh

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isn't a little bit slow.
Does it work?

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Does it work?
I think it worked but I can't

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wrap my head around changing it.
If you have any suggestions

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right in how can we change this
and make it more you know we

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need that hook don't?
We maybe we can have a listener

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submission every week on how we
start the intro maybe and we

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start it differently every
single week that you'd love

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that.
I think that would send me over

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the edge.
Yeah, I have also been thinking

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about the the fact that I said
talked like a snail earlier

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makes no sense.
The snails don't talk.

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That intro would be really.
Bad.

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We all know Dylan.
We understand metaphor.

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We get it.
You alright?

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Thank you.
Well, I don't.

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Have you got Fanta or tea in
that cup I've put?

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Tea today, back on my tea.
I think I've become a tea

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drinker.
Because you've drunk 2 teas in

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your life.
Genuinely, yes.

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Yeah, yeah.
The only two teas I've.

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I've never had one.
Yeah, not on the podcast, Yeah.

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So if anyone wants to keep track
of how many cups of tea I'm

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drinking.
We're on too.

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And why wouldn't you want to
keep track of that just

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somewhere?
Can we get a moderator to write

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it down please Too We're.
On too God, we need some

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moderators out there, don't we?
Very much so.

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Anyway, this is another episode.
This is AQ and a they can join

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the WhatsApp community.
As always down below, if you

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want to write in any of your
suggestions for questions, we're

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very appreciative.
Should we dive straight in?

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Let's do it.
What was your best ever World

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Book Day costume and what's the
most unhinged you've ever seen?

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We once had a pirate day and had
to send the child home because

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his dad sent him into school as
a Somali.

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Pirate.
I guarantee that was after.

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Remember that film?
Captain Phillips?

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Yeah, Look at him.
Look at me.

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Look at me.
I am the captain now.

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Yeah, that one that is
definitely.

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That dad loved that film.
Something comes to mind straight

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away, and I hope you remember
this because it was a long time

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ago, but do you remember where
the World Book Day is?

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One right early in our career
and I was like.

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Back when we were.
Back when we were enthusiastic,

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we had time to make costumes, we
didn't have children, lived at

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home with my mum, Life was
great.

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But I was like, I'm going to
come in as the BFG because we

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had been maybe reading that.
So I can't remember all the kids

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just.
Like, no, no, we were reading

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it.
It was.

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We were reading it.
At school.

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Oh, you remember.
Yeah, fair enough.

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Yeah, I do.
Remember, so we're reading it as

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I come in as BFG, but I didn't
have the ears and I was speaking

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to some teachers at school.
I didn't have ears.

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Naturally, apparently and one of
our other one of our the other

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NQT that started with me.
So when like 2 years in was oh,

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I've got BFG ears, obviously as
you do, of course, as you.

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Do what did you do?
She said I've got big giant ears

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that you attached to your ears.
She was like, I'll bring them in

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tomorrow.
So I was like, she was.

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Just talking about her own ears,
she wasn't saying she'll bring

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them in if.
You get the end of the story

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mate.
You might think that to be

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honest with you.
Anyway, so I was like, this is

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perfect.
This was the day before.

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I came in the next day dressed
in clothing that I felt was

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appropriate for the BFG.
Because it's not, that's not the

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really the distinct bit, is it?
Like, I like, you know what I

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mean?
Like kind of, but not really,

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you know, anyone, anyone can
have that like clothing.

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Yeah.
Basically I come in as Bill by

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Baggins like, and it's I came in
and I went to her classroom was

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like, right, I need the ears.
And she was like, oh, no, I

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forgot the ears.
So without the ears, I just look

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like a man dressed up in like
tweed and the and one of the

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kids in my club, none of no one
knew who I was obviously because

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I was.
Just you weren't big, friendly

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or a guy literally.
And he said, why have you come

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in dressed as Bert from Mary
Poppins?

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And then that's all the other
teachers just rinsed me all day

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and I just got a mid grade and
no one.

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Every time we're on the schools,
I'm like, who are you supposed

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to be?
Oh, I don't know whoever you

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think I am.
Oh, that's so funny.

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So yeah, that sticks with me
from that famous book.

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And I never dressed up again
after that.

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No, I did.
Really.

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OK.
There's an Egyptian one that was

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good fun as well.
Oh.

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Yeah, that was really good.
But yeah, in terms of unhit,

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you've got any?
Did you dress up anything?

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No, I remember I dressed up as I
came in and I thought we were

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eating the twits.
Must be like a Roald Dahl thing

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I think every year.
Maybe it might be the same year.

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Maybe, I don't know, we were
eating the twits anyway, and the

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kids loved the twits, and I came
in as Mr Twit.

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So I just got this big fake
beard, big bushy hair, just

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dressed up like a scruff
basically.

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And I put cornflakes in my
beard.

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You know, part of the stories is
beard.

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It's kind of stuff and like
birds and stuff.

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And yeah, I came in and without
fail, like 90% of the kids went,

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look, it's Hagrid, mate.
I get, I get the leak, but I've

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got cornflakes in my beard.
They just thought they were just

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my cornflakes.
They were just like, oh, that's

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just Mr. Price being messy.
Yeah, he's come as Hagrid.

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That's just you.
He's also got a cereal in his

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beard from this morning.
So that was my big one.

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I'm trying to think of stuff for
the kids so.

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Funny, I don't know, were you
walking around also saying like

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you're you're a wizard with that
might have.

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Been not helped.
Probably the thing that that,

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yeah.
Anyone.

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Any kids?
I can't think of any.

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I don't know.
Oh, I've got 1 funny one.

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I've got 1 funny.
One of a of a kid one year came

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in with an iguana.
No one got it really, apart from

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the teachers.
He came in with an iguana on his

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shoulder and a little out.
I can't really outfit.

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Wonder if anyone listening gets
it?

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Yeah, so if you ever think it
was around poetry and that

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little hint there and it was
walking with my Iguana was the

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poem.
Which he loved for them to

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think.
About you can pause, they can

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pause and play.
Actually they can pause and

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play, then go back and pause it
and it.

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Was.
And not unlistened to what I

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said and I.
Think immediately.

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So yeah, who was that by?
He came in walking with his

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aquana.
He came, he came with an iguana.

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He was walking and he did a He
recited the poem which.

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Was it was by Brian Moses?
Brian, Brian Moses, Are you

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sure?
Yes, 100% because I think it's.

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Oh you, Why do you do this?
To your no, because I think it's

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Michael Rosen.
It's not Michael Rosen.

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It's by Brian Moses.
If OK, why you do this?

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You did this with a cucumber.
Right, sorry, just not let

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everyone try and infer.
No, no, no.

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What's he talking about?
You do this with a cucumber.

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What?
Brian Moses Cucumber, we're

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talking.
About this.

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What annoys about you?
When I, when I'm sure about

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something, I'll say no, I'm sure
I like, I know.

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No, no, wait.
Let me finish now.

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Let me finish one second.
I know for a fact 100% it was

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Brian Moses.
And if I wasn't 100%, I'd say to

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you, I, I'm pretty sure it's
Brian Moses, right?

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I might be wrong.
If it was 90 percent, 98

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percent, 99.
If it was 99.9% I'd say to you

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I'm fairly certain it's Brian
Moses.

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But but I know it's Brian Moses.
What if you're sure, but you're

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wrong?
No, but no.

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But I wouldn't be sure then I
wouldn't but.

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You think you think 100% is that
person?

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That's what people.
Do no, no, no.

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Yeah, people do and it's one
behind me up.

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They do both ways right.
They'll say it's 100% something

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when they don't know it so.
You only say it if you like can

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category you can like.
Imagine the Google in your head.

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Like the cucumber.
No, I if I literally know

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something because there's things
that I just know, like I know

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for a fact these these chairs
that were sitting on a blue,

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right?
Yeah, yeah, That's I don't have

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to go.
Oh, it might, might be blue.

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I know it's blue.
Like with the cucumber.

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I'm going to tell the cucumber
story right now.

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I should look in the shop we are
in.

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We are in Tesco.
That's really interesting.

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Is it by Moses?
Of course it's by Moses.

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I know it is.
I know it's by Moses.

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We were in Sainsbury's or Tesco
or somewhere and we were getting

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lunch right and I want a
cucumber in my sandwich.

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I remember.
And you said I've got cucumber

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at home and I said, are you 100%
sure?

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Because I know what you're like.
I said, do you definitely have

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cucumber?
And you went, yeah, I think so.

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And I was like, no, no, that's
not the same.

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Do you definitely 100% know that
there's cucumber in your fridge?

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And you're like, yeah, pretty
much.

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And I was like, hey, you're not
listening to what I'm saying

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this.
I'm asking you an absolute, the

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answer to this question is no
then isn't it?

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Even if it's 99%, you're like,
no, I'm fairly sure.

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I'm pretty sure we have one.
It's fine.

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I was like, it's not fine.
Yeah, because we ended up, we

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don't matter.
And I said to you, even if it's

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99%, I'll buy a cucumber for
£0.50 because I really want

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cucumber, my sandwich.
And if we get back to yours and

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you don't have a cucumber and
you'll be really annoyed and

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you're like, no, I'm fairly
sure.

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And I ignored.
You we always have cucumber.

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Always.
Round me up.

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You didn't know, you weren't
100% sure, but you're like,

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yeah, it's fine.
Got home, no cucumber in the

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fridge.
Couldn't believe it didn't get

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cucumber in my sandwich.
I could have spent £0.60.

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So my point here is if I'm
saying no, I'm absolutely sure,

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it's because I'm absolutely
sure.

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OK.
Brian Moses wrote that poem, a

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really good poem.
He came into our school for an

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author visit.
Do you remember?

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The kids loved it.
Didn't do anything in the books.

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Kids still lying stuff.
Fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah, Sorry.
It's the producer on the phone.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, OK.
Don't need to go take a

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breather.
He's going to take a few

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minutes.
Actually, the producer is you.

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I'm sorry.
Yeah, that's just me talking.

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That was my thoughts.
And the last one, the last one I

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will say because it came to me
reading this and it was so

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funny.
Yeah, this was, this is just,

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this is genuinely hilarious.
I had a girl coming.

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The World Book Day we're going
back to.

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Right, World Book Day.
Sorry.

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Yeah, she came in, but she was
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what her mum might wear on a
night out, like a leather jacket

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and leather jacket.
Very interesting.

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Yeah.
I just said because you're used

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to, as a teacher, asking
politely, what are you when

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you're.
Oh, you've comers.

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And she went, she went like dead
fan.

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Peggy Mitchell.
Peggy Mitchell.

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Firstly, I'm pretty sure she
meant cats later because of what

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she was wearing, right?
So she got that wrong.

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Secondly, what book the
character?

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Becky Mitchell or cats later?
Come on, kids, nighttime story.

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We're going to read EastEnders.
EastEnders, the Novel that is so

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funny.
Peggy Mitchell, What is she

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talking about?
What?

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What Baron's done this look at,
I'm pretty sure she got the

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wrong characters.
Yeah, she was cats later.

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Oh my God.
Oh, so funny.

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I I reckon, I reckon that she
just told her mum it was

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unclosed day and she's seen her
mum watch.

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Yeah.
EastEnders or Science.

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Yeah, she said that shit.
Or she was just hilarious.

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I want to make you laugh.
Yeah, Spot.

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And she just had that humour,
you know?

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She did.
She did.

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Yeah.
If humour is completely making

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something up and taking
something abstract like an

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EastEnders character for World
Book Day, that is so funny,

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kids.
Can be unbelievably funny, can't

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they?
Like they did the funniest.

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Thing 100% definitely right.
Go on, read the next one,

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Hayden.
All right, OK, well, give me the

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long one.
Yeah, judge my reading.

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I expect this standard.
Let's go.

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Last week, by the way, you
stumbled on your words and I

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didn't pick up on you.
Yeah.

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All right.
So you'd be kind.

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Be kind.
Rare.

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So.
Come on, this is good.

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This is high stakes now.
It could be super controversial

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or just silly but hear me out if
these nefarious regional

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directors, heads, CEOs etcetera
are making so many teachers

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leave and or sign Ndas.
And in brackets 4% of teachers

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on a recent teachers app poll
through discriminatory

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behaviour.
There are 7 successful cases

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against United Learning, not
counting all of the Ndas.

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Should the LADO?
That's LADO, which we'll clarify

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in a second.
Not investigate them for how

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they reflect on the profession
and the harm they cause.

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That's like, that's a deep
question.

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Unloaded.
Yeah, I.

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Think I know?
Should we clarify?

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Lado.
Yeah, Lado.

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Isn't that I I let this up
actually to make sure we've got

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the right one.
Local authority designated

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officer.
So they're like from the local

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authority and they're in charge
of basically ensuring any

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service or, or kind of
institution that serves

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children.
Yeah.

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Is acting accordingly.
And if there are investigations

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against people who work in those
institutions, they oversee it.

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Yeah, essentially.
To make sure it's fair,

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basically it's a fair process
and it's not hugely biassed

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because you know, it's been run
by a particular individual or

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whatever.
Yeah.

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So the ladders step in and make
sure to oversee that process.

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It's important.
It's really, it is really

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important.
I, I personally don't know if

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this would come under the
jurisdiction of the ladders.

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I can understand why they've
made that link, but I just don't

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know enough about it.
But I think we can certainly

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talk about the rise of Ndas like
don't, I don't know about you,

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Don't you just I get like a
weird feeling around ND as

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because for me, like it's all
about the imbalance of power.

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Like I always think about an
individual working in a school

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or a trust against an entire
trust.

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It it strikes me immediately,
it's not balanced right.

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So when an NDA is issued, but I
usually look at it as like, oh,

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what, you know, tactics were
employed to push someone into

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signing the NDA because, you
know, the NDA can work both ways

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in terms of the person accusing
might be wrong and be spreading

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false information about a trust.
I can understand why you want to

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just end that.
But also it can certainly work

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the other way where I don't want
to be exposed.

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The trust doesn't want to be
exposed for the truth.

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And I always think about when a
teacher signs an NDA, what are

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the reasons for that?
And it could be a financial

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settlement, a a trust could, you
know, flout a few 1000 lbs and

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be like, here you go, oh, oh, I
need that money.

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Yeah.
Also, can you sign this NDA and

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not say anything?
And it's like, OK, cool.

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You know, there might be just, I
was thinking about the threat of

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disciplinary action or even like
not even given a favourable

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reference.
You know, because you're a

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teacher, it's your profession,
you've got to move on.

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Unless you sign this NDA, we
won't give you a favourite

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reference but make it sound like
you're awful when we leave.

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Or if this does go against you
and you haven't got a job to go

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to, we're going to make your
life hell whilst you're here as

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well.
But signing this NDA, we can

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forget.
About it.

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It feels like there's more
reasons for a teacher to be

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forced into an NDA that kind of
protects the big the big wigs.

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The big wigs?
Yeah, over the other way around.

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It kind of feels like that's the
only way it would work.

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I can't.
Maybe.

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Maybe we're being naive.
False allegations.

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I can, I can assume and you
know, if, if you're, if

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something has gone that far,
you, you could as a, as a trust,

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maybe turn around and say, look,
let's just nip this in the bud.

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It's not worth fighting for.
It'll be a long process.

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Drag on name through the mud.
Yeah.

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Let's let's just finish this
here.

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Don't say anything else.
I don't agree with you, but

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let's just end this.
You might literally be wrong

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with the teacher and having a
false accusation.

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Yeah, let's end this now.
It's worth a couple of grand in

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saving me 15 grand on legal.
Fees, it's true.

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That's a good point.
Actually thinking about a

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school's reputation being drive
for the mud for something maybe

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they didn't necessarily do.
And it's, it's worth saying, can

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we not talk about this because
actually if media get onto this

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press, it actually just isn't
good for the school and the

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pupils at our school, regardless
of whether it was us or not.

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I I can sort of get that.
It's when it's a pattern there,

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right?
You hear about trust that you

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know, this question directly
named certain trust.

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When it's a repeated pattern and
there are successful tribunals

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from individuals against trusts
and it does involve, you know,

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ever increasing use of Ndas to
try and silence people.

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It does build a bad picture
like, you know, OK, sure you're

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protecting because we don't know
exactly maybe what went on, but

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if we if we understand there's
been multiple Ndas, that's not

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not paint a picture itself.
Yeah, exactly.

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I guess I just hoping that
information doesn't get out as

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easily as whatever what's behind
the NDA is.

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Like what?
What game are you playing with?

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This.
But there are cases against like

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literal successful cases where
it's been ruled in favour of the

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individual as a discriminatory
act.

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Yeah, we're going against the
Equalities Act 2010.

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And I just think it just, it
makes me feel really

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uncomfortable when huge,
massive, like conglomerate

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powers seem to come to an
agreement with an individual.

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It's weighed in one favour.
Slightly more sickening when

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it's a school yeah or trust.
I don't know why, I don't know,

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you should be just the same
blanket.

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But when in the private sector,
I'm almost like expected a bit

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more because the private sector
can be quite seedy and.

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If can feel more cutthroat.
Yeah, more cutthroat.

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But whereas schools, I'm like,
they're supposed to be this pure

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public service, that kit like
with just everyone coming

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together to raise the next
generation of children, it just

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feels like very out of place for
that.

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But it's the it's part of the
privatisation of the whole

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thing, isn't it?
It feels that way anyway.

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Yeah, there's some legislation
come in.

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I found it really interesting.
I read about this because I was

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just looking into it when we got
this question and it mentioned

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how there is more regulation
coming in, in terms of

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protecting the use of Ndas.
So there was something written

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about, I don't know if this is
coming or not, but it sounds as

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if it's on the way, if not
already in place, where the DfE

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have to agree to an NDA between
two parties.

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So if the, the, if there was an
NDA suggested has to go to DfE

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and it has to be clear that it's
not, you know, dodgy basically

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hiding something that did happen
or it has to be above board.

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So you can't use Ndas to hide
discriminatory behaviour, Right.

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That makes sense.
Like legally you, you, you

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legally can't do that.
I'm not saying it doesn't

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happen, no.
But with the introduction of

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saying, well, it has to go to
the DfE as an impartial party to

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sign it off and say, yeah, OK,
the use of an NDA in this

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situation is fine.
It's trying to just keep it

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above.
Board.

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Well, that to me is kind of kind
of touching on what I feel like

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this question is about, which is
in those in those acts where

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someone has been discriminated
against and they've just paid

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them off to say shut up about
it.

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You don't want our name getting
drive for the year we did a bad

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thing.
But sure, she has some money in

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an NDA.
I guess they're kind of saying

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should we really be looking into
these with the lado?

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Maybe it's the DF ES role, you
know, rather than lado.

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I don't know.
But certainly something.

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But it should.
But I agree, like with the

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premise of this question, I'm
like, yeah, there should be

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something in place.
I don't think that you should be

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able to just get away with NDA
in your way out of a

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discrimination.
Do you know what I mean?

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Like it doesn't make sense.
Of course, you shouldn't be able

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to do that.
NDA in your way out to move out.

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I like.
That is it.

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How do you feel just in general
before we move on about Ndas

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etcetera, because my gut feeling
is I really, I'm really

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sceptical of them and I don't
like them.

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I can imagine very certain
situations where they might be

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beneficial for literally both
parties, but not many.

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Like, it does strike me as if
you're having repeated behaviour

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of NDANDANDA.
I do have to ask why?

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I agree.
I honestly think that the answer

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is kind of in what we said.
I think if there's even one in

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your school, it needs to be
looked into.

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I don't think the school should
be able to just cheekily get a

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way of signing in India.
That's a very serious thing.

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I love the idea that someone's
been listening to this whole

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time thinking what the hell is
an NDA?

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We're saying NDA so much so non
disclosure agreement.

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We can't talk about something.
I feel like if a school does

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that, that to me is immediately
like, okay, let's look into

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that.
Make sure that I feel like there

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should just be some
accountability from top down

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already, even just one little
multiple.

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From an external source from.
An external source, yeah, like

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00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,040
they sort of talk about, I
understand why they said ladder

451
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,080
because it is this kind of
unbiased external source,

452
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,360
whether it's DfE, Ladder or your
account accounts or whatever, I

453
00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,560
don't know.
Well, the laddo, are you a local

454
00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,560
authority?
Local.

455
00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,640
Authority, it's about like a
government official, like

456
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,840
basically overseeing the care of
children and making sure that

457
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,240
they, you know, if anything's
put against people in there, you

458
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,480
know, as we said earlier, yeah,
it makes me feel a bit weird,

459
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,840
makes me feel a bit awkward.
I'd love to talk to.

460
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,240
This is the nature of an NDA,
isn't it?

461
00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,240
I'd love to talk to someone from
that like, hey, guys, if you've

462
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,720
got an NDA, reach out to us.
No.

463
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,720
And tell us redacted.
Tell us nothing.

464
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,160
We had a really good question
from and, he said.

465
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,760
Yeah.
So what do we think about that?

466
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,400
Oh, that was.
Yeah, that is the, that is the

467
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,720
downside of NDA's, isn't it?
Yeah, right, on to the serious

468
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,360
stuff.
Who would win in the bare

469
00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,120
knuckle fight between Jaws and
Godzilla?

470
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,800
Sorry, bare knuckle.
Are we taking this literally?

471
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,520
Who wrote this in?
Have you seen Jaws?

472
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,320
See the knuckles on that barefin
fight?

473
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,680
Like make it a fair fight but
give them Godzilla to put the

474
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,520
animal.
The craziest, biggest animal

475
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,960
with the smallest possible arms
punch is Godzilla's.

476
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,400
Not punching anything mate.
What we've done there is we have

477
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,720
got 2 formidable creatures but
we've made the rules so it'd be

478
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,560
the worst fight in the world
with the shark burn dry nan

479
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480
like.
Godzilla's trying.

480
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,680
To swim and and punch his face,
his skull would get in the way

481
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,200
of the bunch.
Yeah, I don't think there'd be

482
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,560
any blows landing.
So should we change the

483
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:13,320
question?
Right?

484
00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:14,240
Maybe it's not a bad knuckle
fight.

485
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,000
Who?
No, no, it's a bad knuckle fight

486
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,200
between Hayden Jaws and the
Godzilla.

487
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,000
I'm winning, might win.
I think I'm winning.

488
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,800
It's only yeah, I'm if it's been
I've.

489
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,240
Got the biggest knuckles out
there?

490
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,160
Well, you'd scare them with,
yeah.

491
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,040
They'd look at me and they'd be
like.

492
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,240
Cracked and red and.
Cracked.

493
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,280
It's cold.
It's cold today, mate, isn't it?

494
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,480
Yeah.
But what were you going to

495
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,160
change it?
To just a fight, I guess.

496
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,400
Just a fair fight, let's say.
All right, let's make this.

497
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,400
Let's fair this up.
Let's make Jaws can be on land

498
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,120
and not die, OK, Jaws can be on
land.

499
00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,800
It's OK.
Godzilla can equally in the

500
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,200
water.
The place doesn't matter, OK,

501
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:45,320
right.
It's just straight up.

502
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,680
It's like top trap.
But it feel like it should be

503
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,280
like A2 legged game, shouldn't
it like a like a like a big semi

504
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,600
final Champions League?
You have one one game in the

505
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,120
city, one game in the.
City best of three.

506
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,440
No, they can't do best of three.
Where'd the third one be?

507
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,880
I don't know.
In the sky, In the sky.

508
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,920
Give them both the power of
flight, yeah.

509
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,800
Yeah.
So Jaws winds in the water,

510
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,000
Yeah, 'cause it the winds in the
city.

511
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,200
You think?
Yeah, you assume.

512
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,600
Well, do you know what?
I'm going to be honest.

513
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,360
Yeah, I think this is just a no
brainer.

514
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,600
I I think the Godzilla would
just eat Jaws.

515
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,120
Do you think Jaws is just a
shark?

516
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,480
Yeah, Godzilla is a massive
skyscraper climbing dinosaur.

517
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,760
Yeah, if it was Jaws, Jaws be
Godzilla and it was just a

518
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,840
straight up fight, it would be 3
seconds bond and Godzilla would

519
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,960
eat him.
Can you imagine the one on the

520
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,360
land where Jaws is just still,
still doing nothing?

521
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,760
Godzilla's just picking up a
little little fish and eating

522
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,360
him.
This is a good fight.

523
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,840
Yeah.
Good fight, guys.

524
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,240
Yeah.
I think Godzilla wins this one

525
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,680
hands down.
Oh, there's no contest.

526
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,600
Is there any questions?
Don't worry, it's complete

527
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,360
nonsense.
So funny.

528
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,600
What was in the classroom?
Jaws and Godzilla were nicknamed

529
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,640
the two kids.
I thought one doing that.

530
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,360
What's this?
What is it there?

531
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,000
What's behind that?
George is the one that he always

532
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,600
talks.
Yeah, always talks.

533
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,240
He's Godzilla.
Yeah.

534
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,160
Godzilla.
Freezing dinosaur in the.

535
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,920
Corner.
Oh yeah, that one.

536
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,560
The literal one, yeah, no,
Godzilla's the one who walks in

537
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,520
in the morning and knocks off
all the pens.

538
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,280
Pencils.
Yeah.

539
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,360
It's like mate, just by
existing.

540
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,360
Put your massive dinosaur tail
away, you're knocking everything

541
00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,120
off.
That's funny.

542
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,240
Anyway, let's go to the next
one.

543
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,160
What are the best ways to build
up a positive relationship with

544
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,960
a class?
Name them after horrible

545
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,000
monsters.
There you go.

546
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,320
My fellow teachers get drawings
and kind notes from their

547
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,120
children, whereas I'm seen as a
grungy grunion because I make

548
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,360
them do work.
Oh, it has a little sad face at

549
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:33,200
the end, right?
This is a serious 1 then.

550
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,560
It is serious, grungy or grungy
did.

551
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,280
I.
Say grungy, grungy a grungy

552
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,400
grunion, grungy.
I think grungy mate.

553
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,880
Yeah, potentially.
What's the difference?

554
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:49,000
Well, one of the real Word 1's
not the difference is I've I've

555
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,880
surpassed your reading ability.
That's the difference.

556
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,680
Fair enough, you know.
Fair enough.

557
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,720
That's good question.
That's a serious question.

558
00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,000
I I have.
This really makes my brain work

559
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,160
because I do feel like, I'll be
perfectly honest, there were

560
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,560
potentially at times other
teachers who felt this about me.

561
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,320
As in you're you were the
teacher that I was a teacher.

562
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,600
Such a nice relationship.
With yeah, yeah, 100%.

563
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,320
And, and we're really honest.
Like it.

564
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,800
It did happen where, you know,
they'd write me lots of stuff

565
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,560
and even I'd have children from
other classes who'd come and

566
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,480
give me notes and stuff and we
taught them and yeah.

567
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,080
Oh, I wish you were my teacher,
Sir.

568
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,760
And it always really made me
feel awkward, genuinely.

569
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,400
It wasn't something that I like,
wore as a badge of honour of

570
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,640
like my fellow professionals who
I know are fantastic teachers

571
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,680
and do things in their own
right.

572
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,360
Yeah, I think that the gifts and
the cards and, and like the

573
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:42,720
notes and stuff is like 1 aspect
of a way you might teach well.

574
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,000
It's one aspect of a way you
might teach well.

575
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,760
You can teach well in 5678
different ways and not

576
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,040
necessarily get that level of
adoration or, or, or praise or,

577
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,000
or notes or bond.
I, I what I'm saying is I don't

578
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,960
think that has to be what you
aim for.

579
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,680
I don't think like when you
think to self, oh, why don't I

580
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,960
get that?
How can I get that?

581
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,880
It's not necessarily the point
of teaching.

582
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,680
You don't necessarily have to
strive for that.

583
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,360
You might change who you are as
a person to try and fit that

584
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,240
model, but then that's not you.
You might make your teaching

585
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,280
slightly worse.
Like I always prided myself on

586
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,480
when I taught the kids, every
single thing I did was for the

587
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,440
end goal of what's the best
version of me as a teacher and

588
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,720
what can get the most out of the
children.

589
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,080
In my opinion, I can't do it for
all the kids, but for me

590
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,480
personally, what's my style
that's going to get the most out

591
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,000
of the children?
And for me, it was that style of

592
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,840
having a laugh, having a joke,
building up those relationships,

593
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,560
not being afraid to have a chat
with the kids every now and

594
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,160
then, going off peace, but
bringing them back.

595
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,800
I felt like I could have that
control that won't work for

596
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,840
everyone if if a different
teacher did that, they'd never

597
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,400
get them back.
And it also won't work for you

598
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,760
with every class completely.
And sometimes I feel like people

599
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,120
just getting stuck in the rut of
comparing themselves.

600
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,240
Actually it's not even, it might
not even bead in that particular

601
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,400
situation just about you.
It's you've just got a very

602
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,400
different class.
The makeup of your class is not

603
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,480
the same as theirs.
That is just another layer.

604
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,360
I'm not saying it's always that
because everything you said is

605
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,680
all equally true, but there are
multiple things you should be

606
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,040
considering I think when you're
comparing yourself to another

607
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,640
teacher and their relationship
with their class.

608
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,520
Do you do you feel?
Because I feel it's really

609
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,960
legitimate, despite what I just
said.

610
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,560
I really do understand, though.
Like, it can be quite

611
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,560
dismounting.
Yeah, it's sad.

612
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,920
It can be sad.
Can't.

613
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,960
It and it's hard to give advice
because one of the things I'm

614
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,520
like is, is it about advice or
is it about just affirming

615
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,840
people and saying you are who
you are and it's OK to just be

616
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,680
who you are because most of it
is that.

617
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,680
But I think if we were trying to
think of like tips almost of how

618
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,000
you can do that, I guess I'm
trying what I actively did, you

619
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,080
know, I mean, in the classroom,
I think one of the things was

620
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,120
I'd capitalise on moments where
you could afford to be

621
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:43,680
lighthearted.
And and I was literally thinking

622
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,600
to myself, this is a moment
where I can develop a bit of a

623
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,760
bond of my class.
Like it wasn't just casual, like

624
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,680
sometimes it was just
accidental, just my personality.

625
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,640
A lot of the time, though, I was
actively thinking this will be a

626
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,400
nice moment to do something a
little bit silly with them for a

627
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,080
few minutes because of XY and Z.
I've assessed the reasons I'm

628
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,320
going to do it because I know
that they'll appreciate that and

629
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,880
I know that they might like me
more because of it as a human

630
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,880
being.
And we joked about, you know,

631
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,560
being liked.
But there is there is an element

632
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,040
to that.
Obviously I want them to like

633
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,400
me.
I want them to respect me more

634
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,720
than that, but.
You want them to like you

635
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,800
because you want them to be in
the room.

636
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,320
Exactly.
But it's not, it's not just I'm

637
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,360
not just fulfilling my personal
ego here.

638
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,720
I want them to like me because
they like being in school, then.

639
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,440
Yeah.
And then they like.

640
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,880
Take Me Out of it for a second.
Do I want kids in the classroom

641
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,360
to like their teacher?
Yes.

642
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,480
Cool.
Am I the teacher?

643
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,480
Yeah.
OK, so I want them to you like

644
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,280
me.
That's the circle of thought

645
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:23,960
there.
Do you know what I mean?

646
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,960
Because.
There are people who say it's

647
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,720
not about being liked and I'm
like, no, it's not, it's OK,

648
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,800
respected and maybe not hated,
right?

649
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,760
But but like, yeah, you have to
do work.

650
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,760
I always struggled with because
don't get me wrong, I know there

651
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,480
are types of teachers out there
who do just focus on the fun too

652
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,960
much.
And actually the, the learning

653
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,560
is it's a detriment to the
learning.

654
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,720
But I, I never, ever, I, I, I
can tell you now, I never

655
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,360
crossed that line.
The number one thing to me was

656
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,320
the learning And I, I would kind
of get my back up a bit when

657
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,520
people would suggest like, Oh
yeah, but you're the fun one.

658
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,200
Oh yeah.
But you do the fun things for

659
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,600
the kids.
Yeah, OK, yeah, but that that

660
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,000
doesn't, that's not a but that's
not I do the fun one.

661
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,840
Therefore they do less work.
The kids worked just as hard in

662
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,240
my class.
I I made sure of that.

663
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,640
And if they didn't, I changed my
approach.

664
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,720
My ultimate goal was to make
them work.

665
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,760
It was just a way of doing that
that suited my personality and

666
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,480
was good for them.
Like, I, I don't think it's

667
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,160
automatically a good or a bad
thing, genuinely.

668
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,560
But if you, if you're someone
there who like, you know, just

669
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,240
the wording of this because I
make them do work, I would be

670
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,960
like, OK, if the other teachers
aren't making them do work, this

671
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,480
is really legitimate.
But they might be.

672
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,320
Yeah, my kids worked really hard
and gave me notes.

673
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,800
And there was another classroom
where the kids worked really

674
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,040
hard, making good progress, and
weren't giving their teachers

675
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,120
many notes.
You've done your job.

676
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,640
Yeah.
So you have done your job.

677
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,160
It's a very good point because I
made, I never really clocked on

678
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,280
that.
But actually that's a good point

679
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,840
because I made them do work.
Yeah.

680
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,720
So you can, you can do both.
It is possible.

681
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,200
I think back to the story.
It's something that sits in my

682
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,840
head and it was from before I
was even training.

683
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,160
I'm gonna do you remember I said
before I volunteered at a school

684
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,440
before I then went and actually
like applied for the PGCAI was

685
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,600
volunteering at my old school
and they had a a special day

686
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,160
where a teacher from a secondary
school came in with some drama

687
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,040
students and they put on like a
little show for the kids at

688
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,960
primary school.
It was really nice.

689
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,720
And I just happened to be in the
school that day when the

690
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,960
secondary kids were coming in
and they happened to be kids

691
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,880
from my secondary school.
So I was like, I'm working in my

692
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,520
primary school and a teacher and
kids from my secondary school

693
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,600
and it was a drama teacher who I
was very, very fond.

694
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,640
Of is it the one I'm thinking?
Of yeah, yeah, it was Mr

695
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,200
Stanley.
I'll say it because he came in

696
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,680
and he came in.
He came with some kids and I.

697
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,160
Was like Oh my God, right?
Yeah, yeah, that's what he said

698
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,640
to you.
And he was there and he did

699
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,240
something and it's stuck in my
head because it's such a

700
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,160
nothing, but I was like, he
clearly did that purpose.

701
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,720
There were, there were a bunch
of kids from, from his group.

702
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,840
They're like year sevens, year
eights.

703
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,200
And they were just kind of being
a bit silly.

704
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,960
They're messing around the other
side of the hall whilst he was

705
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,160
trying to get some things set up
for the, for our primary school

706
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,280
kids.
And, and I was thinking, oh,

707
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,960
they're being a bit naughty.
He's going to shout at them.

708
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,440
And rather than doing what I
assumed he was going to do,

709
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,440
which is just, oh, wait, get on,
get on you.

710
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,360
What I've told you before you
remember and just shouted at

711
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,160
them, telling them off.
He made it into a joke in a

712
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,240
really clever way and it made
them all do the thing and I was

713
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,200
like, it was like magic.
He literally he said something

714
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,040
along the lines of his like, oh,
wait, stop, stop having your

715
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,200
mothers meeting over there.
Chuck chuckling around, come on,

716
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,240
we've got to get back to some
work.

717
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,760
And he but he said he like he
got them to do the thing, but it

718
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,880
did it in a way where they were
sort of like, Oh, that's quite

719
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,720
funny, you know, because we're
having a mother's meeting with

720
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,640
with 12 years old, you know what
I mean?

721
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080
Like, and then they did the
thing and I just remember

722
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,120
watching it and thinking, oh,
that's clever.

723
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,880
In the context of you've never
taught.

724
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,680
Yeah.
So you're, you're not like the

725
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,760
teachers.
You might think of course, but I

726
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,880
use.
But you're a child.

727
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,360
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.

728
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
And I use that in my practise so

729
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,040
much.
I definitely picked up a few

730
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,240
things like that where I was
like, there are ways to, you

731
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,600
know, maintain respect and
authority and control in your

732
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,000
classroom that don't just
involve being like black and

733
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,000
white.
I'm going to shout if you did

734
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,800
the wrong thing or, or here's
the punishment to get on with

735
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,240
it.
Like you can kind of skirt

736
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,360
around them sometimes in a way
where they still, I actually

737
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,960
think it's quite funny or
respect you and then do the

738
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,320
thing anyway.
And I just, I that stuck in my

739
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,840
head my whole career and I
really tried to, I moulded my

740
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,480
teaching style around stuff like
that.

741
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,760
Around Mrs Stanley and.
Mrs Stanley Legend, I did.

742
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,400
He was great.
What a legend because he had

743
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,240
such a nice guy.
But I really respected him and I

744
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920
and I loved him as a teacher.
I was like, so that obviously

745
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,880
makes sense.
I'm going to copy that.

746
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,880
Style.
Yeah, 100%.

747
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,840
I completely agree.
Yeah.

748
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,800
And that's that's where I come
from, from that.

749
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320
So look, if you actually want
advice, my genuine advice would

750
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,040
be you don't have to sacrifice
children doing the right thing

751
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,720
or doing work by being, by
disarming yourself a bit.

752
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Yeah, by being a bit more human
and having a laugh and a joke.

753
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,960
You can do both.
It's not easy for everyone.

754
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,160
It doesn't work for everyone.
But you know, if you feel like

755
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,000
that's a barrier, try breaking
that barrier down.

756
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,480
I agree, good question, thank
you.

757
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,440
Let's read another one for you.
I'll go this time as you didn't

758
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,040
read the last one probably.
I'm starting a new role as an

759
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,240
SLT at a new school in September
which feels a long way off where

760
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,080
I will be responsible for
learning and curriculum.

761
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,280
So such a big gap between now
and then.

762
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,600
What would be the best way to
spend my time preparing for this

763
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,520
change of role?
How can I avoid appearing over

764
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,280
enthusiastic while still showing
that I am keen and diligent

765
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,640
about this new opportunity?
That's lovely.

766
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Firstly, congratulations.
Like what?

767
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,880
What a job?
Big role being responsible for

768
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,480
learning a curriculum in a
school as a member of SLT.

769
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,040
Well, Dan Powell, I'm I'm
pleased for you so.

770
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,560
It's like the dream role.
Yeah, lovely.

771
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,480
It's like, yeah, you're in
control of the learning in the

772
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,640
school.
That's amazing.

773
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,040
It's going to be stressful, but
it sounds like you're well up

774
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,680
for it.
I like recoiled a bit when the

775
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,880
part was how do I, how can I
avoid appearing over

776
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,280
enthusiastic?
Yeah, I, I no, because because

777
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,120
I, no, I understand it, but I, I
feel like it's a shame that that

778
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,360
might be one of your first
thoughts.

779
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,640
Like I'm really enthusiastic
about this role.

780
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,400
I want to do this, this and this
like, Oh my God, crack on and

781
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,160
have a think then and do it the
the over their over.

782
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Enthusiasm becomes a problem
when you expect other people to

783
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,400
be as enthusiastic as you and
want to plough as much time in

784
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,320
which.
Is probably what they're

785
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,920
thinking about, yeah.
Completely and that's that might

786
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240
be what you're thinking, but I
don't think enthusiasm in

787
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,520
general is a bad thing.
Like I don't think even being

788
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,880
over enthusiastic is a bad
thing.

789
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,800
Some some of the people I
respect the most and worked with

790
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,320
who inspired me were incredibly
enthusiastic, but they never let

791
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520
that seep through to then.
Therefore, why aren't you this

792
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,720
way?
Where's your passion gone?

793
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,360
What?
Don't point the finger as long

794
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,160
as you're being true to yourself
and doing what you want to do

795
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,720
and not burdening other people
with potentially doing way more.

796
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,200
I think it's a great thing to
have in a school, being keen and

797
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,200
diligent about this new
opportunity to go for it.

798
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Like start thinking about it.
Like if you're starting in

799
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,360
September, I'm assuming there's
someone in that role already.

800
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,880
Yeah, yeah.
If you're really introduced, I

801
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,640
start shadowing them, start
talking to them about things.

802
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,040
What I would do in this
situation.

803
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,160
This is my top tip is I would
really use this time I've got

804
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,960
now before I'm in that
leadership role to really get to

805
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,200
know my colleagues and my staff
and what their current issues

806
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,640
are, what their current
boundaries are, what are the

807
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,960
biggest things that are stopping
them in their delivery of the

808
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,080
curriculum and what they want to
change, etcetera.

809
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,680
Get all of that information now
whilst you're still doing the

810
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,120
job and teaching yourself and
can have those conversations

811
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,200
because you do lose.
You just do lose a bit of that

812
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,920
clout when you move up into that
role and maybe out of the

813
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,640
classroom a bit more because
people automatically go, yeah,

814
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,480
well, OK, but you're not doing
this change, like this change is

815
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,960
going to affect me in this way.
So just start like having those

816
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,080
conversations and thinking if
you could change something, what

817
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,800
would it be?
You can't please everyone all

818
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,360
the time, but that's the kind of
thing where I think that would

819
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,040
be a good step.
And this is I don't know if you

820
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,240
realise it's a new school as
well.

821
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,400
So it's not there.
It's not the school they're

822
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,520
currently in.
I think you can still do all

823
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,400
those things.
Brilliant.

824
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,280
It's just a bit harder.
And I still, I've actually,

825
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,160
would, I want to 2nd that you
can like I when I've in

826
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,840
encountered new SLT, there's
like one of two ways it goes.

827
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440
I find they either make it
really clear very quickly that

828
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,240
they just want to make a stamp.
They want to make that stamp

829
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,320
right?
And and it's kind of like

830
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,160
irrelevant what you think, or
you get the SLT that actually

831
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,520
come in and say, I want to know
exactly how everyone does it

832
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,840
already be that SLT because
they're more respectable.

833
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,960
I think if you go in and find
out what they're doing first

834
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,560
before you start saying I'm
going to change XY and Z, find

835
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,120
out what they're doing and react
to them, rather than just going

836
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,600
in and saying, well, this policy
work to my old schools.

837
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,000
We're doing that now.
We don't even know what we do

838
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,560
here yet.
That's one thing you can do.

839
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,520
I think the second thing, if
it's, if it's a new school, look

840
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,880
inside your own school
currently.

841
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,840
Is there someone in a role
that's similar to that?

842
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,000
Because it might be hard to
shadow when it's in a different

843
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,720
school, but is there someone in
your school you can shadow?

844
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Is there someone doing a similar
role or just SLT that you

845
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480
respect?
Maybe try and think of an SLT

846
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,520
member in your school that is
really like highly respected by

847
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,960
all of the teachers and just
start breaking apart in your

848
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,160
mind.
Like what is it that they do?

849
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,840
Why is that?
Because we can all think of

850
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,040
toxic SLT we talk about in the
podcast all the time.

851
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,360
Think of the good SLT.
What do they do?

852
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Ask them, say to them, how do
you manage this?

853
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Give them five situations.
What would you do in this, this,

854
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
this and this situation?
You know, just I think.

855
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,880
Leave me alone, there's so much
to do.

856
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,640
Yeah, the way you've worded this
question makes me think you'll

857
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,560
do all of these things anyway.
Yeah, it sounds like you're

858
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,280
excited and like you said,
you're keen.

859
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,600
You're going to, you know, be
diligent already.

860
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,480
But.
We need good people in those

861
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,560
roles.
We do, We do.

862
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,520
So yeah, just, I think just
understanding other people is

863
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,840
probably the top thing.
Understand the staff before you

864
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,640
start telling them what to do
differently.

865
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,600
That's, I'd summarise it as it's
really hard to do this, but

866
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880
don't go into your new school.
We're thinking this is my

867
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,120
blueprint because there's not
one way to do stuff and you have

868
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,600
to react like we said it before
about big changes in maths and

869
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,360
stuff.
You have to be malleable though.

870
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,400
Like you might have your utopian
vision in your opinion what it

871
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,120
would look like.
But actually when we're talking

872
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,800
about individual professionals
who know what they're doing and

873
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,640
understand what gets good like
results, sometimes there are

874
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,880
going to be things you give and
take.

875
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,000
So like when you go into the new
school, always reference this

876
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,120
because I remember it's just
stuck in my head from listening

877
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880
to Sean Dice, who is a Premier
League football manager.

878
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,600
And he was going between jobs
and he talked about getting a

879
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,320
new job.
And he said when he goes into a

880
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,280
new club he changes nothing for
about two to three weeks.

881
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,639
And he just goes in and he says
crack on guys, I'm just going to

882
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,120
watch.
And then he forms what he will

883
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,159
do from that.
He doesn't go in and say there

884
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,560
are certain non neglect, like it
may be in his style or what he

885
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,320
wants to get across or like
values that he wants to bring.

886
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,440
But the intricacies of it.
He goes what works, what

887
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,120
doesn't.
You have to react to that

888
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,920
because there's going to be more
than one way for something to

889
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,280
work.
That makes complete sense to me.

890
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,080
I feel like you've maybe told me
that analogy in the past because

891
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,679
I have that.
That's like in my head, yeah.

892
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,679
It's ingrained in that example.
Yeah, I think it just helped me

893
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,840
think like you have to separate
yourself sometimes and just

894
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,040
think even what you think is the
best.

895
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,880
It might be the best in one
situation, but there are

896
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,080
multiple ways to get good
outcomes.

897
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,400
Yeah, exactly, exactly that.
Pretty good question.

898
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Let's do another one, another
serious one.

899
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,720
How many star from biscuits is
too many?

900
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,280
Or does that limit not exist for
you guys?

901
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,480
OK, right.
Have you listened to the

902
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,680
podcast?
Here he goes.

903
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,520
What kind of asinine question is
this?

904
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,680
How many staff room biscuits?
No, there is no limit.

905
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,360
I want to walk into a staff room
and not even be able to place my

906
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,400
lunch on the table because every
single square is covered.

907
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Oh, Dylan.
So now you creams, what's your

908
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,680
favourite biscuit?
But oh, I like it.

909
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,600
Chocolate Hobnob came straight
to mind. 10 out of 10.

910
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,560
Not sure if it's my favourite
but it did come straight to

911
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,920
mind. 5 easy top five.
Yeah, come on, let's fill the

912
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,360
top five.
Chocolate hobnob.

913
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,720
Unbelievable.
Do you know what?

914
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,960
Chocolate Digestive.
Not as good, no, but caramel

915
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,080
ones are the ones with the.
Companies replaced it, replaced

916
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,240
it, replaced it.
Yes, yes, yes.

917
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,400
Even better, Custard cream.
Custard cream.

918
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Yeah, definitely.
I'm trying to think of Bourbon's

919
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,680
in my top five.
I do really like it.

920
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Might.
Be I have to be in the mood for

921
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,280
a bourbon.
Yeah, sometimes I see a packet.

922
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,000
So if I saw a pack of chocolate
hobnobs, right?

923
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,560
Yeah.
I'd eat the whole thing every

924
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,320
single time.
There's not a there's not a

925
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,840
moment you couldn't put a
chocolate hobnob in front of me

926
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,080
where I'll go.
Oh my God, I'm gonna have that.

927
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,440
A bourbon.
There are sometimes where I look

928
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,520
at one of the guys don't want
that it's.

929
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,360
True.
It's not my top five.

930
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,680
I tell you what is in both our
top five.

931
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,160
I'm speaking for you right now.
The Foxes round chocolates

932
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,160
thing.
The hole in the middle.

933
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,040
Yeah, that will hole in the
middle.

934
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Those things.
Are the M&S ones even better?

935
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,240
OK, let's fill this top.
Might be I don't have it on

936
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:30,560
five, but this is filling our
top five now.

937
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I find unbelievable the like

938
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,760
Scottish shortbread.
Oh yeah.

939
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,840
When you get like the boxing
sugar tartan full of sugar,

940
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,640
buttery.
Oh so.

941
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,640
And finally, yeah, a Yum nut.
It's not a biscuit.

942
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,040
I just want.
It honestly, it's a Jaffa Cake,

943
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,640
a biscuit.
It's cake.

944
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Just say cake in the name,
doesn't it?

945
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Yeah, I'm not having.
It Jaffa Cake and it's got cake

946
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,040
in it.
I reckon it's a cake.

947
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Jaffa Cake.
It's got cake in it and no part

948
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,840
of it is biscuit.
Oh, why is that a debate?

949
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,800
Not crunchy, not a biscuit.
Says cake has cake in it.

950
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Is it a biscuit?
Oh, comes in a packet that looks

951
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,680
a bit like biscuits.
Oh, biscuits come in packets

952
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,080
like this as well.
Is it a biscuit?

953
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,760
No, it's a cake.
It's a cake.

954
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,160
It's a cake.
It's absolutely cake.

955
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,160
Very nicely cake, right.
Anyway, OK, this is a two-part

956
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,360
question and the first part
maybe we'll answer in more depth

957
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,600
when it comes to a future
episode and.

958
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,600
For the second part, TuneIn next
week people will be answering

959
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,480
that.
How do our practises compare

960
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,440
internationally?
As a history teacher I was told

961
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,760
not to do debates as quote
learning can't take place while

962
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,280
students are standing, but this
seems standard across lots of

963
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,200
countries.
Why was your reaction Al?

964
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,520
That famous quote by Piaggio
isn't it can't take, Vygotsky

965
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,120
says.
Learn.

966
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,440
It is in physically impossible
to learn.

967
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,120
If your feet are on the ground,
you're standing up.

968
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Like what?
That's just I went, oh, because

969
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,640
I'm like, that's nonsense.
Is it?

970
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,800
Can we focus on that bit?
Yeah.

971
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,120
That's that's what I wanted to
focus on.

972
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Like in terms of the practises
comparing internationally, I

973
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,160
think there are lots of
differences.

974
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,920
We'll do some more research
actually, because I think it's

975
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400
quite interesting how education
is seen differently.

976
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,000
But sorry, yeah, let's just
focus on that quote.

977
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,840
Learning can't take place while
students are standing.

978
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,680
I think you were told little
fib.

979
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,520
I think the person who said this
is a complete idiot.

980
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,160
What what I I want to, I really
want.

981
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:27,200
There's so many people I want to
get on this podcast genuinely

982
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,120
and have a discussion and I'll
learn to calm myself down and

983
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,880
I'll really, genuinely have a
proper discussion with them.

984
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,560
But imagine you were someone who
actually thinks that, like you

985
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,880
actually genuinely,
wholeheartedly think.

986
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,880
And I've said to staff members
in schools.

987
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,200
No, sorry, you can't do that
because children don't learn

988
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,920
when they're.
So I try and be that person role

989
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,800
play.
So I come in and said, yeah,

990
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,640
really interesting.
I saw some research recently

991
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,080
that showed that children sat
down versus children standing

992
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,800
up, right.
Children sat down way more

993
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,560
progress, they retain way more
learning.

994
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,880
So we can assume then that if
you're standing up, learning

995
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,480
doesn't happen.
Yeah, you're an idiot.

996
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:08,000
You're a fuck off, get the out
of my room for you.

997
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Oh my God, honestly.
That what you say, that's how

998
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,520
you calm yourself down and you
talk to a guest.

999
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,720
If you want to come on a
podcast, please do right in.

1000
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,080
It will be really, really
lovely.

1001
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,320
Dylan, I'm like a I'll be like a
caged lion in the corner just

1002
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,880
waiting for you to release me.
OK?

1003
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,400
What are you talking?
About do you think, do you think

1004
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,160
there's a correlation?
No, no, I think that's

1005
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,040
different.
I think it goes full circle back

1006
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,120
to the bloody cucumber story
where people might read

1007
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,000
something, right.
Yeah, there might have been one

1008
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000
bit of research somewhere where
it said one specific thing or

1009
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,240
one specific part of learning
may have had better outcomes

1010
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,440
when the child was sat down
compared to standing up, Right.

1011
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,120
And then someone will see that
and now extrapolate out like

1012
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,800
you've seen something to do with
cucumber.

1013
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,480
You extrapolate.
I've definitely got cucumber at

1014
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,280
home.
You don't know, right?

1015
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,320
So you look at that, you
extrapolate out and you go

1016
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,960
learning.
Doesn't happen when you're stood

1017
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,680
up.
It's like it's so many jumps and

1018
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,040
stretches to get to that point.
That's like in maybe the

1019
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000
smallest little kernel of some
research somewhere.

1020
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Then you, you, you jump in and
you go right, OK, cool, nice

1021
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,040
one.
I've can justify what I already

1022
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,880
think, which is that when you're
standing up, learning doesn't

1023
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,720
happen.
That that bit of what you

1024
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,840
described there doesn't even say
learning doesn't happen.

1025
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,560
So that's immediately strong or
wrong.

1026
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,960
You can say maybe it's better,
but also it will be in a very

1027
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,160
specific type of thing.
What are you like?

1028
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Imagine you're learning how to
run.

1029
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Oh, not while you're standing.
I read some research once that

1030
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,280
said it's better to be sat down
when I'm learning to run I.

1031
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,480
Don't know about you, Dylan, but
if you're standing still, I

1032
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,800
don't think you're doing much
running at all.

1033
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,440
So I think I think you're
backing up this research.

1034
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,640
I know what you mean.
I think people can look at it

1035
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,000
and go, I'll be back into the
person.

1036
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,480
They'll be like, OK, well, how
many times did you have your

1037
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,400
kids standing up in class?
What ratio?

1038
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Yeah, I.
Honestly, I couldn't, I couldn't

1039
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,120
be asked to have this
conversation.

1040
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,760
I honestly be like, what?
What's your point?

1041
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,880
Get you OK.
How many maths lessons did you

1042
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,120
do when the kids were standing
up, Dylan?

1043
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,080
So.
Yeah, because I sat down,

1044
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,280
weren't they?
Because sitting down is best of

1045
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,200
learning.
You can't learn when you're.

1046
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Standing up.
Ridiculous.

1047
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Yeah, Rory's learning his
numbers can be sat down for

1048
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,480
that.
Can be sat down for everything.

1049
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,240
Rory's learning to say his his
CBC words.

1050
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,240
Yeah, that's fine.
I agree.

1051
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:03,880
It's a.
It's a.

1052
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Nonsense.
Rory's learning to stand.

1053
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,760
Rory's learning how to stand.
Rory's learning to literally

1054
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,000
stand on his own.
Well, sat down now, mate.

1055
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Yeah, nonsense.
Depends what you're learning.

1056
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,360
Depends what you're doing.
It would be also ridiculous to

1057
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
say children always learn when
they're standing up and they

1058
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,800
never learn when they sat down.
That's also mental.

1059
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Yeah, but people just see this
little thing and like, well, I

1060
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,160
already think this so I'm gonna
just go down this little route.

1061
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,600
And you can't possibly learn
when you stood up, get in the

1062
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,760
bin.
If you have said that to a

1063
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,120
member of your staff, they're
doing the debate in history,

1064
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,400
which by the way, is a fantastic
way to learn about different

1065
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,520
sides of an argument.
And I used to love doing debates

1066
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,280
in school and it, you know, can
help you argue things and use

1067
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,680
use resources and get some ideas
and, and think about what the

1068
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,320
bias is in your sources,
etcetera.

1069
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,840
And have a debate.
And I used to love debating the

1070
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,320
opposite side to what I thought.
That's my favourite thing to do

1071
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,120
because it it made me focus on
the act of arguing and backing

1072
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,280
myself up and having some
something like substantial, even

1073
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,040
if I didn't believe in it, I'd
be like, well, you know, that

1074
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,840
might be true and this would be
my argument, helped me argue

1075
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,200
against it, yeah.
Because I knew what they would

1076
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,280
do.
Debating's a fantastic tool.

1077
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,480
The fact that someone's got
annoyed because they're stood up

1078
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,920
has really wound me up.
And I know these people exist

1079
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,160
and that's what annoys me.
It really winds me up.

1080
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Hopefully people listening to
this, the vast majority of

1081
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,040
people will be like, what the
hell are you talking about?

1082
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,360
It was, but we need to push
back.

1083
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,600
We need to push back against
those people.

1084
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:28,680
Yeah, it was the person who did
a debate once and they had their

1085
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160
kids standing up, and there was
one kid that was silly, right?

1086
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,520
And they were like, cool, never
doing this again.

1087
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,880
And I'll tell everyone else not
to do it either.

1088
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,520
And I'll tell everyone else you
can't learn when you're

1089
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,440
standing.
I'll extrapolate out completely

1090
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,520
to a mega extreme example so
that I can justify what I

1091
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,320
personally think.
Get in the bin, you are an

1092
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,560
idiot.
Wow.

1093
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:47,320
And with that, then, I think
it's time to wrap this up.

1094
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,120
It's getting too passionate.
The producer's ringing.

1095
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,880
I can see my phone.
Yeah.

1096
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,640
Yeah.
Yeah, you are.

1097
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,800
Saying Dylan needs another.
Well, it's the producer's

1098
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,200
ringing, all right.
He's saying you need another.

1099
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,360
Break bloody cup of tea is.
Cold cup of tea they.

1100
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,960
Want to drink when you pretend
to drink it?

1101
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,120
Wow, that was good.
That was louder than me.

1102
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Yeah, guys, if you enjoyed this
episode, which I'm sure you did,

1103
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,120
can you leave us a review?
It helps us out a lot.

1104
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,040
Share it with someone you think
might enjoy it.

1105
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,000
And Hayden, you asked me to stop
this last week, so I'm going to

1106
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,480
immediately go again and say
anything.

1107
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,240
Well, all I was going to add is
please do join the WhatsApp

1108
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:19,560
community.
We'd love to get your thoughts

1109
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,760
and we want some more questions
to answer in next week.

1110
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:22,640
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