Bitesize #4: Try These 5 Things Before You Quit Teaching (It Worked For Us!)

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Steeply Bite Size Hayden.
Hello.

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Hello, you.
You sounded a bit down then you

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sounded really like, hey guys,
this is like another episode,

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man and stuff.
And listen, there's been a blur,

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Hayden, but a blur.
We're back.

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You're back.
And I'm.

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I tried to do all my own.
I did do one on my own.

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I try.
I succeeded.

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You saw, You listened.
And then I listened to about 10

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seconds of it.
Most of our listeners probably

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just like it's just.
Yeah, I got the gist.

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Yeah, I realised I wasn't in it
and I thought, hang on, there's

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no point, no point In a second I
was changing poo for the fourth

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time in a row.
Ohh man, do you know what?

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Listen to our main episode
that's coming out in a few days

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time because we'll we'll give
you a nice update on the baby

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situation.
It's been there's a reason we

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look like this.
I just gonna say I think you

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just anyone who's watching this
episode might get a little idea

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of where we are mentally.
Right now I've been trying to

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shave my head and face for like
3 days is the most.

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It's such a small task and I and
I haven't done it.

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I'm sat here recording a
podcast.

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Apparently that takes important.
I've been trying to just do this

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simple job.
Yeah, let's talk for half an

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hour about it instead of doing
it for 2 minutes.

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Ohh.
Anyways, yeah, go on the guest,

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get into the episode.
So we've got a really quick bite

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sized one today and we've got
our well top five I guess things

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that you can do consider before
you quit teaching.

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So Dylan, you wanna say anything
before we dive into our list?

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Yeah, I think this is borne out
of something that we've really

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both experienced over the years.
Because, you know, again, in in

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a future episode very close,
we've got one lined up that

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we're going to talk about how
much teaching has changed over

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the years and not necessarily
always for the best in terms of

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well-being, etc.
And even outcomes and stuff like

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that.
But putting that aside, it's

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kind of the theme I suppose is a
lot of people listening to this

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will be feeling very similarly
and especially teachers, but I

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think even people just in their
day-to-day jobs, I don't it's

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not, it's not something that is
just teachers feel we've become

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like disenfranchised and just a
bit like, well, what am I, why

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am I doing this?
What's the point?

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And we talked to a lot of
teachers.

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Obviously a lot of our friends
and teachers we've been teaching

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for the best part of a decade.
So we know a lot of teachers and

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you guys listening get in touch
with us as well.

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And I think you get to that
point where you just think, OK,

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I'm going to quit.
There's enough.

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Hadn't had enough.
I've been there.

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We've been there.
You know we would be lying if we

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both said that we hadn't
previously thought Is it best

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for us to quit and.
Thinking about some of these

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tips that we're gonna say like
I've done a few of these I think

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like and it has helped me not
just quit.

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So hopefully, hopefully, it'll
be helpful for that's the

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summary before we get into the
list for anyone listening what's

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the episode going to be about?
It's OK.

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Listen, we're in a point where
you're starting to think this

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profession is no longer what it
was.

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And you, you kind of want to
leave.

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Yeah, but you just have that
inkling, that thing that keeps

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you like the reason we're still
teaching Hayden is because we

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love so much of it.
So here are some really

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practical steps as to what you
can do before you actually take

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the plunge and quit.
That might turn a corner and and

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let's keep you in this career
because guys, we need fantastic

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teachers and we're losing them
left, right and centre.

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So Hayden, kick us off.
What's the first thing we can do

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to just, you know, get us back
on the straight and narrow and

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stay in the profession before we
decide to quit?

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What's going to help us?
OK, this one's quite personal to

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me.
You don't have to climb that

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ladder.
You don't have to do it.

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If you've got responsibilities,
maybe you've even you've taken

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them already and you're
thinking, I'm overworked.

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I'm overwhelmed.
I'm actually not really enjoying

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this role.
I'm not enjoying what I'm doing.

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You, you know, drop it if you
can.

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Obviously it's not as easy as
that.

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Sometimes it might take a bit of
time to phase out of that role.

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But don't be afraid to do that.
Your happiness is so much more

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important than kind of that
cultural push of ohh, you gotta

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you gotta work out.
But are you not a head teacher

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yet You've been teaching for 10
years.

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Are you not head of year yet.
What you doing?

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Ignore it.
Just put your happiness 1st and

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do the thing you enjoy.
I did that years ago.

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I've absolutely thought I have
to be, especially as a male

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teacher.
There's that male culture as

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well.
I was like, well, I've got to,

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I've got to be ahead of you in
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Then I've got to go and do this
phase leader role and I've got

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to be.
I've had.

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Gotta be a head teacher, right?
And after a few years I realised

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I just didn't want to do that
and it made me feel really down.

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But actually I got over that
hurdle and I'm happier than ever

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in in my teaching role and I'm
totally content at the teaching

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level that I'm at and I don't
want to take on anymore.

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I'm happy where I am.
I think what you said is gonna

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resonate with a lot of people, a
lot of people because I've

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spoken to them and and there are
really are two types of people

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out there, one who haven't yet
taken that plunge and really

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feel the pressure to do so and
and feel that they need to do

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so.
But I may be a bit worried about

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the workload and I'm being
really honest.

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For that group of people, a big
thing is the pay as well.

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The amount of money you might
get to step up is not nearly in

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most cases remotely
representative of the work

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you've put in.
So it might be, for example,

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anyone in the teaching world,
it's called a TLR, teaching and

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learning responsibility.
If you're designated as the

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leader of a year group, you
might get 2 to 3000 lbs to do

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that job.
Now at the end of the month, you

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know, we're not talking about
much.

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If you ask the tax, we're
talking about less than £200 a

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month or 100 LB, maybe 100 and
something pounds.

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Yeah, you can tutor for a bit at
the weekend, much less stress

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and you can make that same
amount of money.

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So it's just something to
consider for that group and the

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second group had them.
And maybe we can talk about this

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a bit because I know we've had
experience with this is people

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who have taking that plunge and
are now miserable and and it

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doesn't, it doesn't always work
out the way it does because you

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know, that kind of job
satisfaction, it goes out the

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window because you're doing less
of it.

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You're not in front of the kids
as much, right?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You just gotta find I've spoke

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to some, I spoke to some really
inspirational people over the

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years who have overcome this
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And I said, oh, you know, are
you, did you want to try and go

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for assistant head or deputy or
you want to have a headship or

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whatever?
And they're just like, Nope.

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Like super content.
I'm like, no, I really like

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exactly this job role I'm in.
I've tried that before, hated

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it.
You know, I got paid a bit

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extra.
Great.

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But really, my life was just
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So no, I'm happy.
And I think that's where we need

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to strive to be.
So if you feel like you're

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overworked and you know your
pride is taken over a bit too

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much, just just try to drop it,
try to let it go.

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You might find yourself becoming
a bit more happy in your work.

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Dylan #2 yeah, #2, I suppose
it's kind of leading on to that.

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We're still talking about roles
in school.

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That's very much the
hierarchical role of taking on

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more responsibility and having
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I think something simple, even
if you're past that now and you

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don't want to step up, but you
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a rut, something as simple as
changing a key stage, changing a

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year group that you're teaching
can really make a difference

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now.
I know teachers before who've

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spent the 1st 3456 years of
their career stuck in the same

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year group, and I can imagine
that becomes really monotonous.

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Especially when you think about
it, by the end of the third

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year, 4th year, you are teaching
the same kind of curriculum and

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syllabus over and over and over
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You might even be in the same
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If you set for maths, for
example, you might be doing the

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same books.
It can become monotonous, it can

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become boring and that can kind
of eat away at you a little bit

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and that can be the cause of
some of the kind of desperation

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to get out.
So something as simple as just

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switching up.
Go with younger children.

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I can't express to you guys hate
and I've worked in junior

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schools.
I know Hayden had a bit of a

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experience in her through
school, but we, we spent the

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vast majority of our career in a
Junior School, which you might

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think, ohh wow, yeah, 3:00 to
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There's no early years there,
there's no reception year one,

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et cetera.
But the difference between

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teaching a year 3 cohort and
teaching a year six cohort is

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monumental.
And I would argue, yeah, I would

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argue that it's a completely
different job and that every

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single year group having taught
in three of the four and Hayden,

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you spent a lot of time in six.
I think it's very safe to say

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that it is completely different.
You know that the children have

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different personality traits at
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They're different at different
stages of their life.

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And Hayden, you've gone, I
think, obviously, I know you've

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worked in year four, you've
worked in year six.

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Can you attest to this kind of
difference?

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Why might this help someone
making that move?

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Well, it's just different.
Like a lot of people go into

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teaching, I think, because every
day is a bit different, right?

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It is that kind of job where
very opposite to my previous job

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was in Tesco and I just didn't
really enjoy it because it was

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too samey for me every day.
A lot of people love that, like

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just you know exactly what
you're getting into each day.

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But I quite like the challenge
of every day is a bit different

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and if you're in the same year.
But for too long, it you do,

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that complacency just sort of
seeps in a little bit.

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You don't realise then you
become really comfortable and

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then you convince yourself that
ohh, well, I wouldn't want to

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change your groups because I
know everything like the back of

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my hand now.
But actually that might be

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eating away at your enjoyment of
the job.

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And sometimes you just need to
kind of like just push yourself

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out of your comfort zone.
But definitely year four and

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year 6, even just two years
apart, super different.

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So perhaps you could consider
going to a different key stage,

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even maybe even into secondary.
I think Dylan you mentioned

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earlier you didn't hear about a
secondary role.

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I've I've spoken to people
before and again it's it's kind

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of conversation.
You can have your SLT because

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people have feeder schools quite
often.

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If you work in a primary school
you know where the majority of

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your children are going to go
when it comes to secondary

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school and and coming up with
like having a role between those

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links and maybe taking on
something while you're working

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with children who are a bit
older and building that bridge

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between primary and secondary
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Again it's it's kind of it's a
new role although you're still

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in the school you're working and
you're still working with the

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same kind of children because
they lead themselves up.

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You yourself having a different
job role it can just spice it up

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a bit.
I know Hayden, we're the same

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kind of person here doing the
same thing for two to three

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years.
Just get bored.

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There's gonna be a point where
the the straw that breaks the

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camels back and you just think
look I just need a change, OK?

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And it can be as simple as
asking ahead.

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Listen, can I try out Year 5
next year?

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I'd love to try year six.
I've been stuck doing this for

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this long Let's go and try year
one.

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You know it might be complete.
I might hate it.

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I might not like it.
But you know what?

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In the years time I can do a
different year group as well.

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Exactly.
And if you're sat there right

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now thinking with this tip, and
maybe with the next one, you're

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about to have as well.
I can't do this because my SLT

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will not listen to me.
Then you know that they're not

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supportive.
Team, stick around to the end of

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this little bite size episode
because tip #5 is probably gonna

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be the one for you.
If that's the case for moving

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on, then to #3 happy to move on.
Deal.

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Yeah, definitely.
I think it is nice that you're

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right, this is building up and I
think this is 1 after the other

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things you can try.
So what's the next thing?

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So this one again, there is a
similar theme here, but it does

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start with talking to SLT,
because you know what, A lot of

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people just don't do that step.
They get themselves caught in a

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rut.
They assume that, no, nothing

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will fix.
There's nothing I can do.

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I don't wanna be a bird and I'm
not gonna talk to my St because

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they just, they won't help.
They're just gonna be like, no,

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you go, well, you go where you
are.

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You do this because we give you
the role.

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But you know what?
A lot of people in SLT roles,

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the majority, vast majority are
there because they're good

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managers and they've experienced
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They will understand.
Just talk to them.

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Have a real conversation with
your line manager, whoever that

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is, and if you need to go to the
governors you know there are

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there are different levels of
people that you can go to.

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And just tell them how you feel.
Because you know what, my

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experience with people, even if
their first reaction is not

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quite what you wanted, you've
planted a seed.

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I always say that we've done it
many times in our career.

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We've planted that seed.
And then later on, you know that

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person, that SRT member might go
home distress for the day, lay

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there at night and think, you
know what?

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I don't really want that staff
member to be upset.

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Maybe, maybe I could actually.
Maybe there is a way that we can

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make that change next year.
You know, you just gotta have

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that, be brave, have that
conversation and also be be the

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positive force you know that
your school needs.

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Every school needs this big
positive, like pusher.

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You know, there's someone that's
not afraid to just say, yeah,

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this is what I want.
I'm a worker.

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I'm giving you 50 hours of my
time a week.

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You can listen to me, You can
listen to my concerns and

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hopefully do something about it.
How do you feel about that?

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Yeah, it's really powerful and
and again people might be sat

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there going what are you on
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I can't do that in my school
because XYZ trust me, we're

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gonna get there.
But for the vast majority of

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people we've been incredibly
lucky.

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Hayden, you know we have a
leadership team right now that

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I'm not afraid to say are
fantastic at listening.

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I I really, truly think that
that has helped my well-being a

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lot because I feel like if if
something is really eating away

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at me or we're in a staff
meeting and something suggested,

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it's very collaborative and I
feel comfortable to say ohh,

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well in what about this then?
If this thing you've introduced

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right now, that does mean that
we have to spend XYZ hours doing

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that.
I mean what what can we do?

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What can we get in return?
Yeah, what's going to be the

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thing where my well-being is
placed at #1 rather than the

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need for something to be
introduced at that very second.

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And that discussion with SLT is
really, really, really powerful.

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And I know a lot of people,
again, Hayden, myself included.

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Right.
Because I know we can act all

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mostly in the podcast sometimes.
There's definitely been

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situations before where I've not
liked something.

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It's been eating away at me and
I've thought it would be easier

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just to get over it and and I've
not been able to get over it.

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And it's really, you know,
frustrated me and affected my

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work life balance.
It's not easy to step out of

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line almost and say even with
the best of intentions from SLT

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to say ohh, that is actually
very detrimental to me.

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And that's that's not a good
decision from my point of view.

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I want to air that so we can
have a discussion.

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It doesn't have to be angry, it
doesn't have to be

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confrontational from your end.
If they make it confrontational,

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then you can listen to our
further steps.

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But like you said, Hayden, yeah,
most of the time opening that

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dialogue, the trickiest bit is
just doing it.

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Once the dialogue open, I've
never really had a problem.

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I will wrap up this point by
saying there is a right and a

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wrong way to do it as well.
And I've learned the hard way of

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an idea and laughed me over the
years because I've quite often

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done it the wrong way.
And it's fine.

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It's part of life, you know, you
learn and and by the wrong way.

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What I mean is, is just letting
that thing go on a bit too long,

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letting it eat away at you
because it annoys you, not

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saying anything.
And then when you eventually do

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say something, it's it's a
stroppy e-mail at 7:00 PM.

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You know, a passive aggressive
e-mail.

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It gets you nowhere.
It never, it's never got me

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anywhere, ever, other than that
person just being a little bit

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resentful of the fact that they
wanna do anything for me because

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I've just been really rude.
So just get out there, think

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about the way you want to say
something.

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Do what I do now if you need to.
If you're quite a, you get riled

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up quite easily.
I'll always send Dylan what I

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propose to tell this person, and
then I'll leave it 24 hours and

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I'll let him give me some
feedback.

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But it works wonders.
It works.

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And then you have someone to
bounce off.

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Do you really?
You can just leave it for 24

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hours.
But having a good friend, you

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know most of you will have
someone at school you can bounce

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off and you destress with?
Use that person to just be to

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just just read what you're
saying, yeah.

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Because that you're thinking
very quickly on that point.

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You sent me stuff before where
80% of it was bang on the head

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but you start off with something
which would just set off on the

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wrong foot and that just needs
to be taken out because there's

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a difference I think between a
professional dialogue trying to

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improve well-being and a
personal kind of anger and and

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and there's no, there's no need
for that personal kind of anger.

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Like, sure, OK you disagree with
that idea.

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It's still a good idea and and
you don't have to have

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everything in a school which
matches your personal think why

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you think should do things.
But you can talk professionally

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about the outcomes and I think
that's a really good way to

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differentiate so.
To summarise, tip #3, then talk,

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talk, talk, talk to your SLT,
talk to your line managers, but

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just do it in the right way.
I think it's over to you now.

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Is that right #4 #4?
This is something that we are

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both really worried about
telling you guys because well,

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let me let me tell you why.
Because we understand the

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current climate.
You know it's been 2-3 years

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now.
It feels like since COVID or

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furlough, people being laid off,
cost of living crisis and energy

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prices going up, people's
wallets are just being tightened

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and tightened and tightened.
So the the kind of what I want

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to do before we say this last
year is just please listen very

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carefully to what we're actually
saying because we're not going

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to pretend like everyone can
afford to take a pay cut.

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However, Hayden and I both did
this thing, OK And you know, we

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had tutoring, tutoring business
that helped us to make these

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decisions, sure.
But I do truly think that we

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would have considered this
regardless.

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And that is to assess your
money, assess your take home

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pay.
Assess exactly.

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Sit down and think what has to
go out of my monthly outgoings?

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What bills do I have that are
non-negotiable?

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What mortgage do I have or what
rent do I have that's

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non-negotiable.
Everything that has to come out

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of my bank account, think about
everything that kind of needs

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to.
It's kind of that grey area.

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It's like, OK, I want to be able
to go out for dinner once a

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month.
I wanna be able to go and see my

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friends and socialise for a bit.
I'm gonna put aside that money.

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I've got children perhaps that I
need to make sure they get this

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done or they have clubs,
etcetera.

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Just get your own personal
bottom line.

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And there's no one's gonna tell
you what that is other than you.

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You decide what is necessary for
you and what level you want to

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stop at and just look into
calculators, work things out

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where you can really drop some
of your responsibilities.

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And we're talking here about
days in school going part time.

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Exactly.
Going part time.

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And lose some money.
But not as much as you think.

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Perhaps, Hayden, you could give
us some more detail here.

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Why is this going to help?
Dropping days.

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I'm gonna lose money.
Why is that a good thing?

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Well, OK, a couple of things,
right?

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Firstly, when people quit
teaching, they quite often

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statistically go into jobs that
are slower pay anyway, right?

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Because it can be quite hard to
just walk into a job, let's say

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at the top of the teacher pay
scale.

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It's quite hard to just walk
into another job that's of that

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pay.
So before you consider doing

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that, what you're going to maybe
be dropping?

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Bit of pay anyway.
Just consider doing the same

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thing but within the job you're
in that you already know really

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well and potentially love.
I know that Lauren's mum dropped

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down to I think she's on nought
.8, so you know it's not a huge

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drop, but it was totally
manageable for her in terms of

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finances, given the position
she's in in her life at the

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moment and sort of a family
income and all that.

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She could afford to drop to
nought .8 and it really, really,

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really helped her health and
well-being because she had a

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huge medical issue a couple of
years ago and just she just

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couldn't do.
Full time teaching anymore.

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It was just too much.
It was kind of either quit or

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find a new norm.
And the new norm, fortunately,

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was just dropping a day of the
week and just.

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Finding you know having a four
day week it was manageable for

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her and the money was
manageable.

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So yeah we're not trying to you
know, we don't we don't you

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think we're sitting here sat sat
here being like ohh you know

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money is whatever just drop a
few days you'll be fine.

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Like obviously people are in
different positions where they

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every penny counts, and this
might not be the tip for you,

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but really, do think about it,
because I think you'll be

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surprised that.
How much, how little you lose

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compared to the percentage drop?
For example, we dropped 35%, but

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we dropped 25% in our pay.
So it's just to clarify that 35,

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we dropped two days in school
basically.

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Yeah.
So, yeah, you would think 35 to

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40% of our time, but it was
nowhere near that in terms of

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pay, was it because?
Yeah.

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No, we didn't lose 35 to 40% of
our take home pay just because

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of the way tax works.
We won't go into it now.

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But yeah, it really is worth
looking into if you possibly

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can, if you're really at
breaking point and it's a case

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of going to do a new job anyway
where you might be paid less and

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still maintaining those school
holidays.

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Let's not pretend it's an
amazing perk of the job because

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it's something that's kept us in
the job.

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Hayden having gone part time was
really powerful because two

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reasons.
One, school holidays still

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maintain them.
You still get six weeks off.

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Doesn't matter.
You part time, get six weeks off

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in the summer and you're still
part of the teacher pension and

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you can still keep the
contributions as high as you

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want.
It's a perk of the job.

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And yeah, if you're at that
point and you're thinking about

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quitting, this is a really,
really good option for a lot.

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Of people, right?
So we're nearly 20 minutes in.

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We're gonna finish this episode
very soon.

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If you've got this far, you
might be thinking, cool, I've

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got a tip or two I can have a go
at.

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You might also be thinking, I
can't do any of these because

451
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the pay thing doesn't work for
me.

452
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I can't talk to my SLT because
they're just toxic.

453
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And you know, they won't let me
change my role.

454
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They're constantly piling on
responsibilities anyway.

455
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It doesn't happen.
I can't drop anything, right?

456
00:19:54,850 --> 00:19:56,500
I suppose you just have to leave
Hayden, right?

457
00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,370
Yeah.
Leave the school, Not the

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school, not the profession.
Right.

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So you know, the last resort is,
and I really, really recommend

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this is probably the biggest one
really to do that most people do

461
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when they when it's just not
working.

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Please try to move school before
you completely quit this job

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because it can be such a game
changer.

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If you don't believe me, you
know, just go online for one

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day.
You'll see someone on a teacher

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Facebook group talking about how
they move school and their life

467
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is so much better now.
And if you don't believe us just

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listen to us because we did this
tip.

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We did it as well exactly.
You know and and and for me it

470
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was It's interesting actually,
just being personal for a

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second.
Two different reasons really.

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The first time I left is because
I just thought the school was

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toxic.
My my well-being wasn't there.

474
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I didn't.
I didn't enjoy working there

475
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personally.
Other people might have done but

476
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:43,410
it wasn't for me.
It didn't.

477
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I didn't gel with the way it was
managed and my workload was

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horrible but the set this second
time I left was more of it.

479
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It wasn't so much that same
relationship.

480
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It was more of a recognition of
I don't fit here and and I had

481
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to be really.
It's really hard because I felt

482
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like I was the failure.
The school was great and I was

483
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,370
the failure, but it really it
was just it's just a it's a

484
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puzzle and I just wasn't the
right piece for that role.

485
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And they needed someone
different, with a different

486
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skill set, a different way of
working.

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And you know, I just wasn't
there.

488
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I wasn't that person, which is
why I left.

489
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And I was really unhappy there,
purely because of that self, you

490
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know?
I was convinced myself on what

491
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,790
I'm doing, I can't do this job
properly.

492
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You really do a round peg in the
square box whether it's called,

493
00:21:25,470 --> 00:21:27,770
you know, I mean you weren't
just weren't fitting, probably

494
00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:29,130
butchered that saying, but you
were.

495
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,380
Just you were doing all the
right things and being an

496
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:35,720
amazing teacher but the the
environment it just didn't gel

497
00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:38,180
and that just didn't gel and I
have no disrespect to the people

498
00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:41,240
you know I I really respect that
people still I just didn't fit

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in in that role.
So yeah don't don't be afraid to

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to quit your job and go and get
another job in a different

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school.
The beautiful thing of teaching

502
00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:52,040
is the biggest perk in the world
is is is always going to be

503
00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:54,620
around.
The population is increasing.

504
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:57,340
There are tonnes of schools
anywhere in the country.

505
00:21:57,410 --> 00:22:00,870
You know that that you've got
the best opportunity to to work

506
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,070
kind of where you want and
change jobs.

507
00:22:03,130 --> 00:22:05,140
It can be hard, don't get me
wrong, cause you might again,

508
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you might not be the puzzle
piece that fits the school that

509
00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:09,960
you're applying for doesn't mean
you're bad, it just means you're

510
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not the piece.
So it can take some time.

511
00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:15,360
But do you really consider
moving school before you quit?

512
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Absolutely hate it.
I think hopefully people can get

513
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,430
a lot from that.
And that is a really genuine

514
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,930
list there that we have taken a
lot from ourselves over the

515
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years.
So, you know, we walked the walk

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as well.
Do try it out.

517
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,840
And if you've done any of these
things before and it's worked

518
00:22:29,850 --> 00:22:30,880
for you, do get in touch with
us.

519
00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:33,360
Do let us know because it's
powerful for other teachers to

520
00:22:33,370 --> 00:22:35,380
hear that.
Because wherever, whatever

521
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:38,280
situation we're all in, there
will be someone in your school

522
00:22:38,290 --> 00:22:41,080
right now who's going through
the exact same thought process.

523
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:43,600
If it's not you, it'll be one of
your friends, it will be someone

524
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:46,190
you know.
This is a really tricky.

525
00:22:46,330 --> 00:22:49,690
Job, the profession is tough.
It seems like it's just getting

526
00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:51,690
tougher.
But we love teaching children,

527
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:55,150
we love helping them.
So hopefully this list Hayden

528
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,530
can help someone just stay in
the job a bit longer.

529
00:22:57,610 --> 00:23:00,550
So if you want to hear a bit
more about how the job is maybe

530
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,540
getting a bit tougher and
changing, then do make sure you

531
00:23:02,550 --> 00:23:04,410
check out our episode later this
week.

532
00:23:04,420 --> 00:23:06,670
We'll be coming out on Monday,
if you're listening today, on

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00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,270
Friday.
And by later this week you mean

534
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:12,310
next week, Because this next
week later, there's there's

535
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,280
three days later.
This weekend, yeah.

536
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,220
Monday is a weekend anyway,
guys.

537
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:20,960
Hopefully you enjoyed that.
I'll let Hayden sign off with

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00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:23,970
his tired, scruffy look.
I'll see you in the next

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00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:26,100
episode.
Hopefully I'll shave my head and

540
00:23:26,110 --> 00:23:27,240
beard.
Bye then.

541
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:28,840
Bye guys.