4: Is Roald Dahl Being Censored?

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Dylan, we're going to play two
truths and a lie, and it's about

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my career as a teacher, but I've
known you for so long.

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I know it's going to work, I
know.

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But I've factored that in and I
try to think of three things

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that are obscure enough that I
don't think you'll easily tell

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you ready.
Okay, I'm ready, I'm ready.

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So, here's the first one, I
asked a question in class and a

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child responded your mum, which
I asked if we could leave my mom

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out of the maths lesson, the
first thing, the second thing a

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child, once tried to bribe me.
Me with in-game items for Grand

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Theft, Auto 5, leaving me with a
whole bunch of concerns.

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Obviously, the primary school.
The last one is, I once got

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caught in a drop and run fart
Mission by a child because it

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made a sound and we both looked
at each other but also drop and

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go far.
I'm glad you asked drop and run

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fought mission is something that
every single teacher has ever.

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And if they say they don't
they're lying, which is when you

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walk around the class you really
Need to, you know, let one go,

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but you're in a class.
So you just kind of walk up to a

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tables or Let It Drop and walk
off because you're not gonna get

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the blame, but the kids out
there, we've all done it.

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Don't look at me, like that's
not something you've done before

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as well.
So what happened in this

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situation?
You did this and then a child

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was found you out or yeah.
So they, it made a sound.

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It has to be silent.
Obviously, you got to drop the

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farther apart.
Can't make a noise, but it made

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a sound that I didn't
anticipate.

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And the child nearest me looked
at me and I looked At them.

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So, okay, I think I've got
picked to truth, so I okay.

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I think that the one about
dropping a few absolutely

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dropped too far and it's gone
wrong.

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So that's true.
Then the other to remind me the

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first one in detail.
It was so the child responded to

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my question with the answer,
your mum?

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Okay, I think that's true.
So I'm going to go for the your

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mum.
What is true?

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And I think that the fart one is
true and I think you've made up

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I'm 50001, that is not correct.
I will happen.

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So obviously got one of them.
So, the your mum thing happened,

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literally this week and I just
couldn't believe that Shawn

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genuinely said that I was just
asking a question, like, right,

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anyone got the answers.
This one's your mum to my face,

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to my face.
I'd cook.

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I couldn't believe it, but I
couldn't also help, but just I

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was so bewildered.
I was like almost made a joke

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out of it, so that was real.
I also did genuinely tried to

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get the bribed by By a child
Grand Theft Auto strapping you

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for it.
Like, I remember it was on a,

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some sort of school trip and I
think they just, they were like,

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oh, let me go ahead or something
like that, trying to bribe me

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with.
No, I'll give you like a car or

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some money or some other in
Grand Theft Auto 5.

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And I was like, right, firstly,
we were near Six, like you

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should be playing this game,
like, and also, you're trying to

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bribe your teacher like this,
just so wrong.

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So, those two things.
So you naturally, you accepted

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the bribe and then to the front,
yeah, I'm probably the richest

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player on Grand Theft Auto five
now, so pretty, and for the Last

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one is not true.
Because as much as I do drop

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farts run.
I've never been caught Hello

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everyone, welcome back to
episode 4.

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We've been around for 400
episodes now.

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It's teach the it repeats.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Hayden and Hayden is getting
better and better every week.

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It's in his name was Don Chao
well done mate.

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Well done.
How do you eat banana?

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Hayden Joe.
What I've had a really good week

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and I think because of our last
podcast episode about

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well-being, I've really started
to like be hyper aware of myself

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at school again and I've been
trying to actively have a little

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bit more fun, and nice little
moments of the kids and it

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Definitely made a positive
impact, my week, that's nice.

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So you didn't get your work
done?

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No, just tell them stories about
your past.

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Sorry, it's just no work
whatsoever, but I had a great

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time.
Yeah, no marking will enough?

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Hello, mr.
Stephens, can I see your science

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books for this week?
No nothing.

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What science and what books
anyway, how was your week?

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Yeah, not bad.
Part from earlier in the week

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when I had to get my nose
cauterized.

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Oh yeah.
What was that about?

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Yeah, it was a great.
I've been having a few

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nosebleeds lately.
It's very childish thing, isn't

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it?
Associate nosebleeds with

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children.
When I was younger, I used to

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get them and freaking recently.
I had to stay in a week so I run

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my GP obviously as out, what's
going on?

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And they arranged an
appointment.

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So I went along and they were
just going to take a look up and

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I wasn't really sure at this
point.

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What was actually going to
happen?

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But I walked into the room and
there are six adults in the

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room, six people.
So immediately, my bit like, is

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there a problem here?
Do you need all of these

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experts?
Take a look at what's going on

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at my nose, but it turned out
very quickly that you could

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tell, a lot of them were just
learning.

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They were trained, right almost.
And I was a guy, In there, who's

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obviously the lead, the
experience to them.

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So I sat down and away and he
kind of takes up my nostrils and

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it's for the left one.
And he then invites the girl

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over to kind of come over and
have a look.

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And I was like, oh, this is
nice.

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Yeah, go and have a look and see
what's wrong.

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And then you know, go from
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And he was like okay so I can
see the blood vessel and I was

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okay good.
So we're going to cauterize that

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now.
And I was like what, what?

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Okay, so I'm worried straight
away.

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Thinking this really hot metal
rods going to shut that my

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nostril.
I'm the oldest one cares about

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it.
She's having an observation

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right now.
You're the just a victim.

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Yeah, it was like that all I
could think about was in the

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context of teaching when we get
observed, she's like shaking and

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I was like, okay, cool.
Well, you know the blokes going

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to need a quarter ization, the
expert and he just goes, so I'm

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thinking, do you wanna have a go
and she's like yeah, sure.

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And I'm saying the middle just
like, oh, okay, it's really cool

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that, you know, of course we
will have to trade.

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Yeah.
Awesome.

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Nice one really, really Brave.
Having a go on me.

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The next match, I'm just really
worried right now but I just

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kind of sucked it up.
They put a general kick up your

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nostril and it's so bizarre.
You kind of just feel this

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spread from the back of your
nose of all feeling and

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sensation going.
And it was just like your nose

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is blocked, kick up, feel
anything at all and they just

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dab it with chemicals actually.
It's not like a hot rod or

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anything medieval burn.
It it's obviously updated.

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Yeah, they just literally, they
get these chemicals, dab.

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It around the affected area, but
you can't really feel anything

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at all.
And then just for the last three

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days, the numbness is just kind
of returned and I just thought,

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okay?
But luckily when she did it the

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guy had a ligament.
Absolutely brilliant.

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He Give a really good feedback,
so it was a lesson observation.

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She was probably on the edge of
outstanding so good on her eye.

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That's pretty Grim.
So nice Grim story at your week

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was pretty pretty gruesome.
Bit more grease than mine.

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Yeah not the best week ever.
But anyway, moving on.

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I wanted to get into actually
the meat of this podcast and

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tell by the title, what we're
going for today because in the

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news Hayden, I know discussed is
very briefly but not fully

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because we're saving it for this
episode has been the recent

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edits and changes that have been
made to some of the works of

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Roald Dahl.
Now, roll dial, as we all know,

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is one of the most popular
children's authors in the entire

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world and his works are read by
everyone.

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I've read them to my class
before Hayden.

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I know you've read them to you.
Or class, I don't know.

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A single teacher hasn't worked,
used these Works before

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children, absolutely adore them,
but somehow, we find ourselves

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in the middle of a really heated
debate about censorship and

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about sensitivity.
So that's what I've kind of

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labeled this.
And it's kind of come down to

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that is, what should be
censored, what should be really

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taken into account of people's
sensitivity and whether it's too

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expensive.
So, when we decided to kind of

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talk about this topic, I did go
away and read the news I could

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read quite You didn't ask us
when quite a few different

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places and there was that
General kind of consensus in the

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news articles that were popping
up at least for me.

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Anyway, of this kind of
disagreement of our, we

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shouldn't be censoring.
I didn't actually see anything

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that was like, no, we should be
in favor of the sensory so I

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thought that was really
interesting for a start.

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So I was very aware that my
opinion might be immediately

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impacted by the fact that
everything was telling me to

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think this one thing.
But I did try and think of both

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sides.
And in the end, I'll tell you

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right now.
I kind of came to the conclusion

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that I don't really You know
what to think.

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Like I'm I've got things for
both sides which hopefully we

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can talk about brilliant.
Yeah, I thought we could do

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that.
And what I'm going to do now

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then before we get into the
obviously the Crux of the

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argument, I just wanted to
actually read out the changes

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that have happened.
These these changes at their

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core try and strip back what you
see in the media and the parole,

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and the woke War, and the
culture wars, and trying to pit

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people against each other.
Let's just actually look at what

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was actually edited and maybe
Hayden, we can have a discussion

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about what we think here are the
things that are actually

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changed, okay?
So I guess, Escape from Charlie

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and the Chocolate Factory is now
described as enormous, instead

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of the word fat that's been
removed from every book, the

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word fact to describe him, mrs.
Twitch from the twitch is no

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longer ugly and beastly, she's
just Beastly.

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So they've taken out the word.
Ugly in the same book.

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A weird African language is no
longer described as weird just

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as an African language.
The words, crazy and mad have

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been removed as a result of the
emphasis on Mental Health.

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Recently, a threat to knock her
flat in Matilda has become give

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her and a right talking to.
So they've got rid of any hint

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of violence there and references
to colors have been changed.

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The BF G's coat is no longer
black and Mary in The BFG now

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goes still as a statue instead
of being described as going,

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white as a sheet.
So there's a real range of

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changes there that kind of hit a
lot of different demographics.

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A lot of different people, a lot
of different feelings so it's

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quite hard to generalize isn't
it?

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And I wanted to get out there to
be really clear.

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What the change is actually our
before.

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We kind of just pick a side A on
a basis of just, that's what I

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think.
So I'm going to jump on one of

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them if you don't mind because
one of those actually came up

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when I was looking at things
earlier and it interested me, it

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was it was the August asleep,
one right changing the

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adjectives fat too enormous to
describe him.

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And someone made a really
interesting point about who

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decides which of those is worse
because they, it was a, it was a

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large person saying, I describe
myself as fat, I would be more

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offended if someone called me in
Normos like that, that feels so

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much bigger.
You could be tall and enormous,

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whereas fat, is this kind of one
thing that we agree on that sort

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of got me thinking about all.
I wonder which other ones are

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just completely subjective and
potentially Up For Debate as to

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whether they're a good change or
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If you've read dolls work he
doesn't shy away from being

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almost cruel to some of his
characters and nasty, and there

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are certain themes, Augustus
Gloop is still someone who's

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going to be incredibly greedy
and overeats, right?

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But the idea of they've gone in
and changed this language,

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Because of it's been the
sensitivity review that they've

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been doing for a number of years
and it's been updated as Times

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Gone on.
I don't necessarily think that

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it's got anything to do with us
and that's what I mean from a

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broader, broader picture here.
Now, if the government had

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stepped in and said, this needs
to be censored from the top

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down, I'm ordering You by law.
You cannot say this.

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That is horrific.
If that happened, that would be

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absolutely terrible.
That'd be horrible.

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And the opposite is happening.
Our mission has come out and

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said, of course, he's jumped on
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We Don't be censoring anything
from the past.

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And I just think these polarized
views are crazy.

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I just don't think they make
sense.

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No one from the government is
saying we must change dolls.

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Work else.
You're going to go to prison or

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get fined.
It's the doll estate.

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Have actually themselves decided
to launch a sensitivity review

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and change this work as they've
gone on.

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It's from the inside out.
I think it's up to them, it's

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their work, right?
The dollar State actually sold

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off, a lot of the works that
they quite four years ago and if

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you know much about that, but
they sold the rights to about 16

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of the stories from real doll.
So it is up for debate whether

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they've had a huge input into
this or not and as and also as

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to whether they actually have
any say in to the final changes,

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some people were arguing that
they actually won't get to

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choose whether it stays or not
because the independent

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companies are bought it at have
that final say.

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So that's another interesting
take on it.

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I don't really know how relevant
that is.

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Yes.
Interesting note because also I

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suppose that the point where you
sell the rights to the work, you

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also sell the right to be
annoyed if they change it,

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right.
You can't take the paycheck.

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And then turn around and say, oh
how do you change this thing

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that I sold you?
If I sold my car to someone and

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they put a new exhaust on it, I
got I'm due date it exhausts.

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I could you do that to me?
So I kind of LED myself.

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This question, right of?
Do I really care?

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Because I noticed that when I
was watching some videos of,

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like, news anchors talking about
it and various programs, they

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were so unbelievably passionate
like the vehement me against.

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Like, I cannot believe that
changing these classic stories

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making them so much.
Us with these these terrible

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edits as if they think they're
better than Roald Dahl.

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And I was like, do they do these
people really care?

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It's a couple of words, a couple
of phrases amongst like hundreds

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of thousands of lines of text, I
don't know.

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Can I just guess?
Maybe where you saw this news

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anchor going rate, was it GB
news by me?

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I think it was actually.
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All right, my brains.
Yeah.

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So it was the media who are
funded by certain people have

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certain views whose literal
existence is to stoke.

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These culture wars to stoke,
anger, To stoke hate they

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benefit from these
conversations.

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Getting visceral and angry and
dividing and conquering.

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You're absolutely right.
Let's just step back for a

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minute.
A child's book has changed from

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fad to enormous.
Are you going to cry about it?

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But the story is not changed.
No, and this is the other thing.

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Like I just said earlier, he's
still a greedy character dull.

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Always exaggerate his
characters, always, always,

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always, and there are some
stereotypes that come into it,

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and we can discuss the meaning
of these stereotypes.

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And yes, his language is
outdated.

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It.
And look for me, it comes down

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to this, right?
What is the end goal for these

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edits, right?
There's one of two things going

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on, either they genuinely
believe that the language is

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outdated and offensive to their
base and they want to change it

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to help them, but let's be
realistic for a second.

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If these have been bought by a
company, they're not been bought

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for a philanthropic cause or for
a charitable.

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Cause they've been bought, they
can make a profit in the long

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run and this company, or this is
stay or whatever is who owns

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these these stories?
We are choosing to do this to

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keep their books relevant,
right?

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They're choosing to do this
simply because they think sales

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will be helped in the long run.
It's as simple as that.

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It comes down to a free market,
capitalist view of what's going

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on.
If they thought that doing this

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would lessen sales, they
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If they think that doing this
would increase sales, they will

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have done it, which is what
they've done.

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They're not doing this as some
kind of moral Outlook to be the

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best people in the world and so
you're wrong.

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If you think this is horrible,
they're doing it to survive in

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the long run.
I think the ones that you

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mentioned, the changes that you
mentioned were interesting but

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there's a couple more and I've
got two written down that.

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I just want to talk about.
I want to get your opinion on

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this because I think they're a
bit different.

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So here is the first change when
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they are changed from its change
from small men to small people.

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And the second one is most
formidable, female, when it was

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describing, a character has been
changed to most formidable

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woman.
And I just felt those two were a

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bit different to me.
I thought those changes were

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perhaps less necessary and I can
understand why people might go.

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Why have we done that?
We just changing his works for

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potentially no reason.
But other people obviously,

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would argue, there is a reason.
What do you think?

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I think what's really important
to do them?

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Situations is, you know, in the
same way that we feel that

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beforehand, those were fine and
acceptable because let's say,

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maybe we understood the idea
that someone reading the word

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fat over and over as an insult,
if they themselves are

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overweight, they Might have
their feelings hurt by that and

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us to maybe we can understand
that bit more because we're in

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that committee we are in that
Community.

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You know, I'm carrying a bit of
weight.

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Let's just say, I know your
character better.

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Let's just do know what I mean
is just because we can

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understand that.
Then we say, okay, I understand

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that that's fine, right?
Yeah, I think what we need to

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not do is fall into the Trap
that a lot of people fall into

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as soon as we don't understand
something where we don't have

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lived experience of it.
We can't then automatically.

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It's pointless and shouldn't
happen, right?

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So for example, in those
situations is clearly about

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gender and gender identity, and
being inclusive.

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Let's say, yeah, I don't know,
okay?

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Because I'm not an active part
of that Community but what I'm

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not going to do is then say
that's wrong because I don't

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understand it and I don't get
why that's necessary there may

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be a really good reason as to
why they feel a need to do that

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which is absolutely fine by me
for me to come and pretend that

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I know all about it and say,
well, I see That's silly and I

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don't get it that would just be
ignorant for the sake of being

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ignorant and I don't think
that's very helpful.

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Yeah.
But I do wonder where the line

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is because I do agree with you
and I'd like to try and have

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liberal thoughts.
But for me like most formidable

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female, it was an iteration, it
made it.

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That was I think that was an
authorial choice of language

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and, you know, he painted a very
good picture.

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That's why he's so famous
because he painted, really good

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imagery in for his words and I
think changing it from most

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formidable, female to most
formidable woman.

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Although, like you said, there
might be something.

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I don't know about that for You
know, I don't know why female

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was not good enough and woman is
okay, PC enough to be put in,

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but for me that does change the
works.

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It changes a little bit of the
beauty of what he crafted with

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that sentence as a knife.
So for me, it's like, where is

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the line other ones?
I think you're just straight up,

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I don't care.
Honestly, describing someone as

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fat or enormous, is that?
It's doing nothing for me.

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I don't care and I don't really
see why anyone would check would

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care about that.
About changing it so badly that

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they think it's worth
potentially offending some

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people just Keep that original
word.

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But I reckon there are maybe
some other changes like the

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formidable, one where I think
are there was that there was an

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authorial choice in that it
wasn't just a random adjective I

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suppose as well.
The thing, the point I come back

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to in that case also moving on
from that.

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If if potentially still think,
well, it's an authorial choice

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that you said, again it's their
work, right?

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It's not my work, it's not the
public domain.

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It's not like a shared myth here
of, you know, something that's

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going to directly affect me.
It does it make the work.

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Slightly less poetic not having
that alliteration in the

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sentence.
Yes, you could say that and no

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one could argue against that,
but equally do, do you care like

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you just said, do you like, do
you care about it?

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Being changed?
From fact to enormous.

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You think that's fine.
Of course, if that helps people

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feel better about themselves and
it doesn't, it doesn't

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necessarily make someone feel
awful hearing that again and

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again and you don't care.
Fine.

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I also don't care if they choose
to make that change as well

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because it's not my piece of
work so I don't like it.

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I won't read it if I really
really care that much.

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Much that I was going to use the
original one.

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I'll get a first edition book
because guess what?

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Millions have been printed and
they're not going to go back and

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fix them out.
Yeah, that's true.

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He might be worth some more as
well.

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But I think you said to me, then
it was if you don't like it,

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don't read it.
And I think that kind of applies

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other way around as well.
But I don't know where my mind

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is.
I'm changing it.

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As I was, we talked about this
literally, as we as we go, but

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the other part of me right now
is like, yeah, okay, just leave

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it, don't change it.
Don't change it at all.

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Good.
If you don't like it, just don't

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need it.
Honestly go over it.

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That was one of the best
arguments are against it.

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I think it's fair.
Woman.

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Another author who again just
said, look, he thinks Let It

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Fade Into Obscurity.
Let The Works Fade Into

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Obscurity of their that
offensive to people.

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The sales will drop, and then it
will just back down.

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And, and why don't we look at
these other authors who 400 of

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you have for decades, rather
have been releasing work, which

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doll has overshadowed?
Because he's so so popular

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because his work is amazing, his
books, a fantastic.

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So if it's that offensive, let
it dwindle away.

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But guess what?
That's my point.

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The estate and the Publishers.
Don't That to happen because

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it's a cash cow for them.
So they don't want it to Fade

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Into Obscurity which is what
might happen, which is his

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point.
So they're actively making these

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changes.
I think the point I want to make

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here is it's capitalism, right?
They just want to make money,

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they think doing these changes
will make them more money in the

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long run.
It's as simple as that.

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So here's an interesting,
thought, experiment that I was

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pondering on earlier, right?
So, if you know much about Roald

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Dahl, then you'll know that he
actually was kind of kind of

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horrible in some ways, can we Be
a bit more, you know, fronted

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about and serious about it.
He was a so anti-semite.

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Yeah, so he was like to see what
kind of horrible he was hot.

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He was a horrible human and he
was known to have racial slurs

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and things in his original
works.

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Right now.
It's well documented that his

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editors at the time of writing,
a lot of his books when he was

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younger, we're like maybe kind
of this endure.

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00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,800
Like, you need to get rid of
this, and they were kind of

449
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:18,500
editing his work for him.
You probably see the point.

450
00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:20,900
I'm getting to hear, they were
editing his writing and they

451
00:20:20,908 --> 00:20:25,200
were Taking out his racial slurs
and his anti-Semitism which was

452
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,400
really blade back then as well
back then it was more socially

453
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,000
acceptable.
Think how bad, what he was

454
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,900
writing was if in the 70s, or
whenever he is writing his

455
00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:36,200
books, his editors fought, then
it was too bad and part of me

456
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,200
just thinks I could imagine
people GB news back in, you

457
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,700
know, if it existed back then
having having this kind of

458
00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:44,400
debate and be like, well that
man wrote it, if he wants to

459
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,700
write, that is freedom of
speech.

460
00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:47,100
Let him right.
If you don't want to read it

461
00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:49,600
then don't read it.
And it did make me think goddamn

462
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,000
I just thought it might just
going into this.

463
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,900
Full circle of Thor.
Well, I don't know what I should

464
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:56,400
think, because it's true.
It's like, but we all agree that

465
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,100
we should take out the racial
slurs and anti-Semitism.

466
00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:01,700
But we're arguing about taking
out some of these other things

467
00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:04,600
that maybe offend people.
Now, like I don't, am I wrong?

468
00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:06,600
I kind of want to twist this
into a discussion about our

469
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,100
point from as teachers because
they'll be lots teachers

470
00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,600
listening to this podcast to
maybe of listen to that debate.

471
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,800
And I thought, oh, that's
interesting.

472
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,500
But now, let's get into the
actual context of you and I as

473
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:20,400
our job as teachers because this
is where it flips for me again.

474
00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:22,300
Okay?
And I guess this is maybe the

475
00:21:22,300 --> 00:21:26,400
glasses I've been wearing so far
because if a book is a book on

476
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,200
the Shelf in a shop and a parent
can choose to buy that or not

477
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,200
and read it an adult and a
parent can choose to buy it or

478
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,400
not for their children, right?
At that point this whole

479
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,600
censorship the bay and what's
offensive and what's not

480
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,800
offensive that has a much lower
threshold to me at that point.

481
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,000
It's okay.
It's up to you.

482
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,400
You're on your adult who can
choose what they read and

483
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,500
consume and you can choose not
to write and an adult can choose

484
00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:52,700
for a child, what they're given.
Here's why it's a big problem

485
00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:55,100
for me.
Children in my classroom.

486
00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:57,800
Do not choose which books, we
read and the children in my

487
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:03,500
classroom do not or are not
sorry, capable to say, no, this

488
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:05,600
is not something I want to be
reading.

489
00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:09,800
This is too offensive for me.
This is to maybe that what we're

490
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,900
talking about in this book or
what said, is really damaging me

491
00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:15,700
emotionally and I'm not old
enough to articulate that and I

492
00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:18,800
also can't tell you because
you've planned this curriculum

493
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,500
for us from the top down in the
position of power, like a Last

494
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:23,900
text, you know, where you decide
what we're reading.

495
00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,000
And they have literally no
saying and not their own books

496
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,800
where they protect perhaps
taking the from the library, but

497
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,200
the ones that we decide we're
going to study we're going to

498
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,400
learn from this text.
Yeah, I agree that's a very

499
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,400
different perspective.
Yeah.

500
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,600
And I think from my point of
view actually, the it makes even

501
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,700
more sense what they're doing.
And again, I'm just trying to

502
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:38,700
get into their heads.
I don't know.

503
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:43,000
This is true or not, but school
is the number one place where

504
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,300
children get their books and
their enjoyment for reading and

505
00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:46,400
their love from.
Right.

506
00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:51,300
So it seems to me that this is a
sensible move.

507
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,900
From that point to stay relevant
because the longer time goes on

508
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,300
if you're reading lines.
Like weird African language to

509
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:02,500
children and they have African
Heritage and they pick up on

510
00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:04,700
that and they don't quite like
it and it's just seeping into

511
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:06,000
the other children's Minds that
haha.

512
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,700
Yeah, those languages are weird
or you've got a child who is

513
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:13,400
overweight and they read fat fat
fat and they hear it on the

514
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,700
playground because children pick
up on stuff they absolutely love

515
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:17,300
these stories.
They're going to go and quote it

516
00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:20,200
on the playground they going to
pick this language up and use

517
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,100
it, I don't.
I think that's appropriate from

518
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:24,600
my point of view as a
professional.

519
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:27,500
I'm not there to have a debate
about free speech with these

520
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,100
children.
Yeah, I'm there to teach these

521
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,600
children English and what
really, really grinds, my gears

522
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,200
has been fellow professionals.
This is brought up and they'll

523
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,200
say something like, oh, I just
picked the best book for the

524
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,000
job.
I just picked the best book to

525
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,100
teach front of the verb yours.
If it happens to be a bit dodgy,

526
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:46,200
then that's that, its freedom of
speech know, there are millions

527
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,900
of books you're telling me you
happen to pick the book, which

528
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,200
has the best examples of a front
adverbial and a noun phrase.

529
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:54,300
I don't think so there's going
to be lots of appropriate books.

530
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,500
I just think there's absolutely
no need for us to do that in the

531
00:23:57,508 --> 00:23:59,100
classroom.
We can let them read them, they

532
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:00,900
can bring them in, they can read
themselves.

533
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:04,700
No, censorship whatsoever.
We technically sensor books all

534
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:07,500
the time by not choosing them.
I don't think that's an

535
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:09,600
appropriate thing to say.
We're not censoring anything.

536
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,300
We're choosing appropriate books
that we're going to keep our

537
00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:13,900
children, emotionally, safe and
secure.

538
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:18,800
If you've got a classroom that
is maybe full of children from a

539
00:24:18,808 --> 00:24:22,000
poor background and you're in a
deprived area, You're reading a

540
00:24:22,008 --> 00:24:23,900
book that generalize has these
people.

541
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,300
I'm thinking of David walliams,
I'm going to say the name

542
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,000
because there's a lot of
problems in his book.

543
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,300
If we're reading books at the
front, that stereotype them as

544
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,800
living in a huge block of flats
in a dirty room that's over ran.

545
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800
And the step mom doesn't care
about them.

546
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:42,100
You could be describing the life
of one of your children in the

547
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:45,500
class as the end of a choke.
And that's crazy to me.

548
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:46,600
Why would we do that to our
children?

549
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,800
Just because, well, will toughen
them up.

550
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,900
Just as a disclaimer.
Dylan wasn't making up a

551
00:24:50,908 --> 00:24:51,900
description.
That was four.

552
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:55,200
I was from David walliams, who
is another controversial figure.

553
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,100
I'm glad you mentioned him
because I was about to mention

554
00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:00,000
him as well because he is a kind
of modern-day Roald Dahl in

555
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,800
terms of being quite
controversial.

556
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,100
And I know from T from like
teachers groups, and Facebook

557
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,600
groups, and all that sort of
stuff that he is widely

558
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,600
considered, as an author that we
just avoid in class for the

559
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,900
exact reasons that you said
earlier.

560
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:15,800
Now, I used to really promote
David walliams books because I

561
00:25:15,808 --> 00:25:18,300
was like, oh they're funny and
kids seem to like reading them

562
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,700
and my mindset has flipped a bit
over the years.

563
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,400
Like I don't Active to go out of
my way, to say to a child, all

564
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,100
don't read that.
I don't like you said, it's not

565
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,200
my place there but that parents
gone and bought that book.

566
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,700
They can have those discussions.
That's not my role to have, but

567
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,000
if I am choosing a text from my
class to read with them, I all

568
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,500
just not choose a David walliams
book because I do think that

569
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:42,800
they do exactly what you just
said there.

570
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,200
I think they use generalizations
that are a little bit unkind,

571
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:49,000
despite the stories being fun.
I'll sacrifice that.

572
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,900
I'll find another Van Story.
Yeah, and I think someone

573
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:56,900
conflating that was censorship
is absolutely out of this world

574
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,400
to me, that they are completely
different things.

575
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,400
We are not trying to censor the
work just because we didn't

576
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,900
choose, it doesn't mean we
saying it, does it shouldn't

577
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,900
exist.
We're just saying for the means

578
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:09,600
to our end and for what we think
is appropriate for our children,

579
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:12,600
we're not going to choose it.
There's something very similar

580
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,900
to The Boy in the Striped
Pajamas, huge thing.

581
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:18,800
It's a hugely popular text.
It's quite distressing.

582
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,400
That story The Boy in the
Striped Pajamas.

583
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200
It's often taught Alongside
World War Two in Upper School,

584
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,600
particularly is 6.
And recently, various Jewish

585
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,000
communities are come out and
said, it's not really

586
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,400
appropriate.
It's not actually a real.

587
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:36,900
A really good way of portraying
what happened in World War Two

588
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:40,800
and it doesn't really get across
the atrocities in a way, which

589
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,900
is appropriate.
And it might kind of dampen the

590
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:46,000
blow of waxy happened in the
children's Minds.

591
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,200
Now there was obviously you see
debate about this, at the same

592
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,100
time, there's always a debate
because you have to pick a side

593
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:54,800
That's what people think I've
got to one poll or the other but

594
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,600
I just can't look past.
The fact that do you think these

595
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,100
Jewish communities in these
groups?

596
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,100
These Charities have that
they're not doing this for fun.

597
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,600
They're not doing this because
I've got nothing better to do

598
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,200
it.
Let's make him pick a new book

599
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,000
written.
If we don't understand it, it

600
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,200
doesn't mean they're wrong.
You might look at that and go.

601
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:16,100
What can I teach?
Well, I tell him the actual

602
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,000
trustee.
I make sure they know that it

603
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,100
wasn't just like this, but just
don't do it if they're Jewish.

604
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:23,700
Community are coming out and
saying that this is not

605
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:27,300
appropriate swallow your pride
and don't do it.

606
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,000
I'm going to end this debate
with the final little note that

607
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,400
I wrote myself, when I was just
jotting down my thoughts.

608
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Earlier thinking about this
conversation.

609
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,900
The final thing I wrote to
myself was do I really know what

610
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:38,500
on Earth?
I'm talking about with anything

611
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,800
because that's that's where I
got to the end and the exactly

612
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,300
right.
I was like, I don't want to be

613
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,800
either end of the kind of polar
opposite thing.

614
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,900
That you said, I don't really
know what I think.

615
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:49,700
They're I think different things
about different things that

616
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:52,500
we've said and I just ended up
Being really confused, but I

617
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,300
feel like we've come to a nice
conclusion together in that

618
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:55,400
conversation.
Absolutely.

619
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,700
We should been all of the books
and never read them joke.

620
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,100
Hey, Tim.
I got some news on the social

621
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,500
media front but before I say
that, if you're listening to

622
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,900
this podcast on whatever
platform could you please give

623
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:10,700
us a rating?
I'm not just mean any rating

624
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,000
because a 5-star rating because
it really helps us legitimize

625
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
his podcast.
If people come across it, they

626
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,400
see, it's got ratings, they
click on it and we get more and

627
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,600
more of you guys listening every
week.

628
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,800
So do that for us, click the
notification Bell and you'll get

629
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,400
a ping when the new episode is
live, which is, of course, every

630
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,500
Friday morning, but Hayden, like
I was saying, I've made a new

631
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,100
social media account, okay?
Can you guess which one I can

632
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,000
guess it?
I reckon it's going to be

633
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,600
Tumblr.
Absolutely not.

634
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,200
It's not 2004 have one more
guest Myspace?

635
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,400
Okay, you're stuck in the Dark
Ages.

636
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,800
It is Instagram.
We've made an Instagram and I

637
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,100
can't wait to say the name Ayden
because our e-mail account.

638
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,300
Teach secretly pot at gmail.com.
What do you think about that

639
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:51,600
one?
Oh, I thought it was great

640
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,000
because it was such, it was just
so short and snappy and like,

641
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,900
catchy over Isabel.
That's good point.

642
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:59,300
You're gonna love the histogram
already.

643
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:01,300
I want you guys to go find
Instagram.

644
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:06,000
It is follow at teach sleep,
repeat podcast.

645
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,400
Hey, that's not too bad.
He's added on an extra four

646
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,000
letters.
I'll let you off, you know.

647
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,900
Yeah, exactly.
You know, and what we need to do

648
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:15,700
if you follow us, well, except
for of course, I want to give it

649
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:17,600
a DM and tell us how many
letters are in the name or

650
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,700
Instagram.
And I look forward to seeing.

651
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:26,400
Wow, what a fun challenge is
really content there.

652
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,000
No.
But you can tell us how many

653
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,700
there is RNA.
Hang on sorry.

654
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,600
Hang on.
Sorry I'm going to pause because

655
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,900
I've got Instagram on the phone.
Yeah, their servers are down.

656
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,800
There's too many people grabbing
sorry.

657
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,100
Oh wow!
You guys, you did that before we

658
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:45,400
even released the podcast.
Anyway, let's move on to our

659
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,400
favorite segments of this
podcast.

660
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,600
I was deaf, which has a name.
My favorite has got a name, it's

661
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200
called stories from the
classroom.

662
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:55,700
Why do I think you just made
that up?

663
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:58,000
I have just made that up on the
spot.

664
00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,900
That's why.
But it because that is the

665
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:03,600
literal name of Second episode.
Yes, I'm sorry.

666
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,700
Yeah, it is.
But you know what is catchy is

667
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:07,000
good.
I'm gonna make a little jingle.

668
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:10,200
Okay, okay, well, we'll see that
next week then but let's dive

669
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,000
straight in then because we need
some light relief, right?

670
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,800
I've actually got a story that's
been written to us.

671
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,400
If you don't mind me sharing it,
please do.

672
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600
And then afterwards, by the way,
I'm going to, I'm going to do

673
00:30:17,608 --> 00:30:20,000
what we did last week, right?
I've got another one, but I'm

674
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,900
going to send it to you again,
so you'll be on your phone.

675
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,300
All right?
So this one's from a friend of

676
00:30:23,308 --> 00:30:25,600
mine are right.
She she wrote in saying that we

677
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,300
start the podcast and wrote in a
couple of funny stories and I

678
00:30:28,308 --> 00:30:29,200
really like this one.
I was short.

679
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,100
But sweet.
So A couple years ago in the

680
00:30:32,108 --> 00:30:35,500
classroom, she's teaching she's
doing a science lesson.

681
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,800
It's one of those lessons where
you look at like solids liquids

682
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,700
and gases.
You do the classic, you know,

683
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,000
all that stuff with them, how
they change State and all that.

684
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:47,400
And she just making sure they
understand the base of a cab

685
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,500
you.
Larry, this is just a good

686
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:51,000
teaching strategy, isn't it?
You know, what the solids are

687
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000
yet?
Good know what liquids are, and

688
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,900
she wanted the children to give
an example of liquid because she

689
00:30:57,908 --> 00:31:01,200
was about, I'm sure that they
all knew what it meant and Girl,

690
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,800
put her hand out and the teacher
just kind of says, yeah.

691
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000
So give another example of a
liquid and the girl deadpan.

692
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,900
Dead.
Serious just goes fairy and it

693
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,400
took her a couple of seconds,
the teacher, a couple of seconds

694
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,400
to talk on what was going on
there.

695
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,700
But yeah, obviously fairy liquid
is not and I think at that point

696
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,400
realize she wrong.
Yeah, I know this is wrong,

697
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,700
she's not wrong to liquid.
It's on the side.

698
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:26,700
She seen our home, this green
liquid, he's absolutely right in

699
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,100
my opinion.
But really it was one of those

700
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,100
moments when we've all had in
class where you Um, it makes you

701
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,200
chuckle, just catches you off
guard, completely catches you

702
00:31:33,208 --> 00:31:35,200
off guard, you feel like you've
seen and heard everything but

703
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,700
then something gets you.
And she said, she could not stop

704
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:39,500
chuckling for like the
basically, the rest of the

705
00:31:39,508 --> 00:31:40,900
lesson, which you've already
bad.

706
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,500
Did you know what?
I've been loving a child, but

707
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,100
she gave a serious answer.
You just that the front Betty

708
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,000
barking.
Hello, you fool.

709
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,400
Yeah, I know.
But anyway, so I've sent you a

710
00:31:51,408 --> 00:31:52,000
story.
Okay.

711
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,700
And this is my favorite one.
So, I've saved it till the end

712
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,000
and it's not as long as the last
one, but I'd like you to read

713
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,700
out to us.
Alright.

714
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,700
Alright.
So I've got this week's one.

715
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,500
It's from Andrew one of our good
friends.

716
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,300
Andrew says, and I'm not read
this yet.

717
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:06,400
Let's dive straight in.
It was a classic end of day.

718
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Absolutely knackered.
I just seen the children off

719
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,100
when I came back into class and
just sort of plunked on the end

720
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:16,200
of a table and laid down flat
with my legs, hanging off the

721
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,700
end of the tape, for you'll do
it.

722
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:18,700
We all do.
It's relaxing.

723
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:20,800
Turns out.
I fell asleep.

724
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,400
We did it.
No, he didn't.

725
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,600
When I woke up, it was two hours
later.

726
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:32,100
The cleaner that come in and
wiped all My tables wiping

727
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:36,500
around me asleep.
On one of them, they kindly

728
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,300
didn't Hoover clearly Keen, to
not make me up.

729
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,900
Wake up the sleeping teacher,
work up to a lovely tidy room

730
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:45,100
and I left a beautiful
silhouette of dirt on the

731
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,500
pristine table.
I think it's rather symbolic.

732
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,500
Can you imagine that?
Embarrass would have been like,

733
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:55,100
oh, man, I'll add up was,
literally walking around me

734
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:59,700
whilst I was snoozing on a
classroom table and the idea

735
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,100
that this lovely Lovely cleaner.
Just 400.

736
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:04,800
I'll leave it.
Yeah, I'll leave him.

737
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,700
It'll be like almost like the
outline.

738
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,400
You seen those films when I'm
murders happened.

739
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,500
White outline.
It just stands up and he's just

740
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:12,500
like flat on the floor.
I think the only thing that

741
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:14,800
could have thought that story
was the idea of him waking up

742
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,900
and it's like he's got a blank
on little something on how that

743
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,200
way to like make you more
comfortable, don't wake him up

744
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:23,600
or or he wakes up and it's
literally the next morning and

745
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,600
the kids are at the door.
It's bit all night.

746
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Just something on the same
closer.

747
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,500
All the stuff head teacher
always, think ahead.

748
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Leave him is funny joke.
Funny, just leave him there.

749
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:35,600
Yeah, till that time when I got
locked in the toilet.

750
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:38,300
Oh, oh my God.
What a story have we not told

751
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:40,000
that yet?
I think maybe we can save that

752
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,300
for next week, right?
You're gonna stick around guys,

753
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:44,600
you come back.
I will tell you the story of how

754
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,800
I got locked in the toilet at
school and had an audience of

755
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,000
about eight staff waiting for me
to exit that every go hang on to

756
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000
everything to do a print sticks.
Because not told that story

757
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,200
though, was that, oh my
goodness, they do.

758
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400
I'm going to wrap up here
because I'm getting inundated

759
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,500
with people.
Ask me what on Earth.

760
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,100
Imitating about on about whether
it sticks, you can't even be

761
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:04,500
bothered to say it during the
podcast.

762
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,800
So we're going to rip out their
guys because that's all, we've

763
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,900
got time for this week.
Thank you so much for listening

764
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:11,400
and we'll see you next time for
a toilet trap story.

765
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,000
See you then.