192. Cost Of Living Nightmare, Sick Day Pressure & Using A.I. Safely [Listener Q&A]

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Hello everyone, I got back to
that episode of Teach the

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name's Hayden.
And we are going out for a Curry

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later and it's all I can think
about.

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Oh yeah, all I can think about.
Does anyone else get that when

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they know they're going out for
dinner and it's just it takes

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over my mind?
We are, we are at the, I think

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it's an age thing.
I do think we're at the age now

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where that is the most exciting
thing that can happen in our

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lives.
Right, because it's so rare,

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it's still all being timed so
that the, the the kids have to

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be completely asleep.
Yeah.

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And away, away.
Give a draw, Daddy.

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Away.
Let's put the kids away.

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Yeah, you.
Go go to the cot and you realise

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all the cutleries in there.
And you're like ohh God where's

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the kids Mommy, I need something
to eat my soup with.

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Just dip my Chai.
Oh God, wow, welcome back to

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another episode.
It's Q&A, so.

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Well, no, we're very serious.
That's no, that's allowed in the

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Q&A.
Yeah, it's the hunt.

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It's the unhinged.
Yeah, episodes, it's all good.

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My favourite ones.
Yeah.

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Using my child as a utensil to
drink my soup.

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As we're on the topic of being
being unhinged, can I tell you

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something Not so unhinged, but
kind of impressive?

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Well, it has to reach a certain
level of unhingedness to be

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allowed.
Well, I don't know, maybe it's.

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Just me?
Well, let's just judge it.

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You can judge it yesterday.
Yeah.

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I went to Tesco's with the
purpose of doing this, by the

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way.
It's I'm glad it paid off.

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Sorry thinking.
I think I know what you're going

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to say.
Of course you do, because you

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know why I go to Tesco.
There is only one reason you

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it's Little Tesco, by the way,
Let's make that down the road

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from us.
Little Tesco is is dangerously

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close to where we separately
live.

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By the way, again, all new
listeners, I think every time

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they do, we put the kids away
and and Tesco's down the road

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from us.
I think they're getting the

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wrong impression sometimes.
No, we live close to each other

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with our separate families.
Close to each other, Separate

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rooms in the same house.
Very close.

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You could say really close.
Stop it.

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And Tesco is is is dangerously
close.

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And when a Tesco is dangerously
close, it only means one thing

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for middle-aged men with low
addicts, right?

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Right.
So, you know, I was going there

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and I thought to myself, and
bear in mind the point of we're

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recording this is like a week
and a bit after Easter.

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If anything, it's more than a
week and a half.

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It's nearly two weeks away from
Easter, right?

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And I was like, I wonder if
they've got any eggs left

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because when I went in there a
couple of days after Easter,

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they had all this reduced to
clear stuff.

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I was like brilliant and cheap
chocolate.

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I bought loads obviously and.
You ran out, clearly.

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Ran out.
Ran out.

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I ran out that day because I ate
them immediately and I went

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there thinking I really do fancy
some chocolate.

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Guess what One Easter egg left?
One big giant crunchy Easter

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egg.
Crunchy was a crunchy 1, and

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clearly it was left because it's
ludicrously priced right and to

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people thinking well I'm not
going to buy that because I'm

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not stupid.
This guy though?

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Whoa, Mr Stupid's walked in
quick.

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Get the one egg out.
Put the one egg out on.

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The shelf reduce to clear, it's
only £7.50 now.

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Thank.
God, I was going to say that I I

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don't believe you see a big
reduce to clear thing.

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You're like right time to fill
my boots. 67 lbs Yeah.

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Looks at the little The best
thing thing about Tesco is you

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look at a little tag and it
tells you the price per

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kilogramme of stuff I love
because that's the only metric.

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You can actually compare.
That's not a Tesco thing.

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You know, that was by law
brought in that you have to do

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that which because it got into
trouble, I'm going to very

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quickly now public service
announcement, it got into

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trouble for not correctly
labelling it like properly on

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there, especially when it came
to club card prices, right?

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So it wasn't really telling you
the actual price you were

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getting because obviously club
card price is just a complete

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sham.
They put the, the price is

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ridiculously expensive and
they're like, oh, what's what's

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that?
This bottle of juice is now

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£2.50 on club card prices.
I'm sorry, what?

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What was it?
It was £8.10.

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What?
What?

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For a Tropicana.
Why was it ever that much?

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But they got into trouble
because they weren't label

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labelling really clearly price
per unit so that you could

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actually compare it.
Because most of the time you

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just see a yellow thing.
They know it's psychological.

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Oh, yellow club card price must
be cheap in the trolley.

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Yeah.
And they weren't properly

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labelling it, so it's not.
They all have to really clearly

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label that now.
Fair enough.

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Well, I looked at that and I
thought £7.50 reduced from 15

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lbs by the way, which is what
those Easter eggs were.

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You know that the giant, the the
quote unquote giant ones.

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It's just bigger box.
Yeah, yeah, but the eggs are a

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bit thicker.
So is it where like you actual

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crunchy?
That's right.

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Yeah.
Those like thick ones which is

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which is very nice.
Which is what people have tuned

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into this podcast, this.
Exactly that, right?

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And they're in, they're, they're
hooked at this point.

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Have you finished it?
What?

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Yeah.
Oh my God.

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I bought it last night and it's
gone.

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I finished it this morning
before I came round here to

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record.
I'm not joking.

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That's in fact, that's all I've
eaten today.

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You are pathetic.
That's all.

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I've eaten.
You are.

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Pathetic.
I am.

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I am.
It's 950, so it is in the

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morning and all I've eaten this
morning is the rest of that egg.

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Oh my goodness.
Right, let's go into the first.

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Anyway, first question which is
kind of linked.

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Sick days.
Oh because I think if you eat

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one of them in the morning maybe
you will be sick.

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Sick days?
Why is it actually impossible to

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fully rest on a sick day?
Just calling SLT to tell them I

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wasn't feeling well was awful.
I had to be convinced by my

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partner that I should stay home.
Just feels like I have more work

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to do and also feels like I
should be working whilst I'm

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I'll.
Any things you guys did to maybe

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make sick days a bit easier?
For example, did you have cover

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folders or anything like that?
I guess one more positive is

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that my immune system is
getting.

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Stronger.
Yeah, that is true.

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I'll tell you what though, can
resonate with that.

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I don't know about you, but I I
never, ever, ever had a sick day

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where I didn't at least feel
some level of guilt.

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And I'm like, oh, should should
I just go in?

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I don't think I would have felt,
I didn't feel that when I went

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to Tesco, felt sick.
I was like, I'm just sick, I

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think for guilt.
Oh no, who's gonna?

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Who's gonna manage?
Holders, yeah, the stomps, the

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stomps and the profit and the
yield.

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Oh no.
Exactly right.

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But I did feel that every single
time in teaching, even working

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in a in a nice school, I still
felt guilty.

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And they didn't make me feel
guilty, I just felt guilty

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anyway.
But I felt more guilty in a nice

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school if anything, because I
was in an environment where

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everyone supported me nicely and
I was like, oh, I don't want to

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actually, I really don't want to
let anyone down.

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And it felt like I was, which is
which is insane when you're I're

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I'll not letting anyone.
Down.

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And I felt even more guilty than
that.

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You know what I mean?
Like whatever you felt, I felt

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it more.
Well, I whatever you felt.

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Plus Infinity plus one, yeah, is
what I felt.

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Oh God.
So firstly I just want to say,

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yeah, I think that's quite
normal for some reason to feel

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like that.
I've definitely had days where I

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worked on my sick days genuinely
where I was like, oh, I'm at

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home.
I currently be with the kids,

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but I can sit in front of a
computer.

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I can sit in front of a computer
and get stuff done.

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I suppose it's.
Just your normal state, isn't

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it?
Yeah, literally.

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Yeah, I do think there's, I
think there's a like it's a

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tricky 1.
It's a really tricky one because

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we're teaching it is intense.
I don't think people realise how

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actually teaching is genuinely
physically demanding and it's

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it's stupid.
What I'm not saying is it's not

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the same as working in the
sewers.

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Like I'm not saying it's
physically demanding and

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therefore it's the same as every
physically demanding.

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Yeah, right, exactly.
I'm not saying I'm saying it's

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more physically demanding than
you might think.

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And what what that that kind of
brings up a grey area where you

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know, you you can be genuinely
too.

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I'll to stand in front of the
class and deliver an essence

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properly, but not I'll enough
that you can sit in front of

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your laptop and do a bit of
work.

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That's true.
It's a weird middle ground.

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However, I again, always just
err on the side of you are a

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human being after all.
If you do take a sick day, just

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have the day off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's what I would ask, but I
understand again, maybe you can

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attest to it while you did it
because but again, teaching is a

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job where the the work is never
done and it can feel like

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actually it's a net good for
everyone, just for me to do a

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bit of work today.
Sometimes I see it as a bit of a

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win.
I'd almost be like, it's cheeky.

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I'm like I'm, I'll, I am too.
I'll to be in front of the kids.

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I could just do some work and I
don't have to do some planning.

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At the weekend.
So did you get like a hint?

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Yeah, literally.
And I'd be like, and then I'd

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feel even more guilty because
technically that's cheeky now.

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Because I'm like, oh, now I'm
now I technically am doing work

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that I would have done later on
because I should have been

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teaching right now.
Or should I be doing this?

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Or should I just take the day
off?

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Really genuinely, 9 times out of
10 I actually just should have

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taken the day off because if
you're ill, ignoring the mental

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side of it is not actually good.
Like obviously like you are

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still fatigued in your mind.
You should, if you're physically

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I'll, you should just have a
break completely.

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Let your mind rest as well.
That is what you should do.

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But yeah, I often didn't.
It's tricky as well because the

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way the the job works where
you've got to do some work

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outside that planning and stuff.
The illness for example, I

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remember being I'll I was on ill
on a Friday and I always felt

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again like I was taking the Mick
because oh, it's a Friday.

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I can't help being I'll today
like I am just I'll even though

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this does give me now three days
off for the weekend rather than

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just two, but I am ill.
But then the illness would like

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continue into the weekend, but
then I, I would have had to do

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some work at the weekend.
So, so I was planning on doing a

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bit of planning at the weekend
so that I could get ready for

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the week after.
I am ill, right?

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Yeah, but I did actually, it
wasn't even being cheeky.

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Now, I had to do that work
otherwise I wouldn't have any

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lessons for the for the week
after that.

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So it was a weird thing where I
was like, OK, I have called in

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I'll on the Friday, which means
I specifically can't be in front

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of the kids teaching the lesson.
But there's there's no like

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system for calling in I'll to do
the work that I'm not paid to do

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anyway, which I've got to do to
do the job like that.

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It's like a really weird remind.
You of how much from mugs we are

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as teachers, isn't it Yeah,
exactly.

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It's like, Oh, no, I'm too.
I'll to do all this, the five

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hours of unpaid work that I do
every single Saturday.

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What do I do?
Oh, there's no system because

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you're, you are being taken for
a mug.

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Yeah, by doing that.
I think this is basically what

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this person's errand towards.
Maybe we could round up this

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question by just summarising it
in terms of having some kind of

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cover folder maybe.
So I remember we had cover

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folders where, but it was simply
more the cover teacher would

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know to go to the cover folder,
they'd know exactly where to

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find the lesson.
But I've provided that lesson as

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well.
I think going one step further,

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and I think this is OK.
And there's lots of people who

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push back and say, no, it's not.
Children should always get

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everything that's adaptive and
then the needs and the exact

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moment.
Chill out.

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It's it is OK to just have a
backup lesson.

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Yeah.
A lesson that can be just stand

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alone.
Let's just say for English one

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day it's a standalone
comprehension lesson that you

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just have.
You're not for emergencies.

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Yeah, you don't plan to use, but
actually if there is just a day

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where, oh, I'm off sick and I
can't do anything and nothing's

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been planned for whatever
reason, yeah, then just pick

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that up and go mass.
I can think of a million mass

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investigations or stand alone
lessons that are, you know,

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relative for that child's age
and that that can be suitable

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that I won't necessarily need to
use but could use.

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Yeah, I could think of a lesson
for every subject like that.

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And I think I personally think
having that as some kind of

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store is not only good for you
as the teacher.

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I think it should be a school
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Because then SLT can step in and
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arrange sorting out someone
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Because the way it currently
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it's put on colleagues.
Whereas something like this,

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which is just more across the
school guide that we have a Bank

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of resources for each year
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If someone's I'll use one of
these, make sure it's logged

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somewhere that that class have
done that lesson so I don't know

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again in six months and then go
on to the next one.

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I think that's reasonable.
Definitely, I think that's very

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reasonable and I don't even
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I think that's better.
I don't think it's that bad when

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the fall back is if you're in a
multi form school, which a lot

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of people obviously are, If it
is just a case of saying to one

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of your colleagues, look, so and
so has called in sick this

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morning.
I'm not going to hassle them to

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upload a bunch of stuff for
today.

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They have that I can't.
I don't know where their

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planning is as your parallel
classes, whatever.

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Can this class just use your
lesson for today?

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I don't think that's the worst
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The one thing I don't like is
when the expectation literally

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is, and this has happened so
much like this school clearly

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is, oh, if you call in sick in
the morning, you need to upload

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your planning and send it all
into the school though, so they

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can use it.
Two things to that.

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I don't think that's a good
policy.

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I think there are lots of ways
you can counteract that.

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Like why is it in the morning
that no one has the planning

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anywhere?
Like surely there should be a

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school system where the
planning's uploaded.

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Like we had, we just had shared
drive folders when the planning

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was done, whether it was a week
before or even a few days before

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the weekend, whatever, it was
just uploaded to that folder.

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So at least if you were sick two
days later, your planning was

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already there.
Do you know what I mean?

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Like, there's just lots of
things that can happen before it

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gets to the point where the,
the, the typical school policy

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is, oh, yeah, if you're sick,
you have to do some work in the

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morning, right, So that you can
be sick.

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Like, I hate that.
Why does it get to that?

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If it gets to that, it's poor
management.

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Of the school, I I agree, I
completely agree and and it and

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it cannot, but it can also be
just to put it back on the

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teacher a little bit.
I think when it's immediate, I

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do think like I cannot imagine
any point in my school career

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genuinely where if I was sick,
like let's say a Tuesday night.

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Yeah.
And therefore on Wednesday I was

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off There was there was
genuinely never a situation

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where my lesson wasn't ready for
that day.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Like so so I do I do think that
there comes something like upon

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you where it's I think it's
reasonable to expect a teacher

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that if they're I'll the night
before, well, the lesson is

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already there.
It's already there.

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And if it's not, then you know
OK sending an.

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E-mail.
Like, yeah, like it's yeah,

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exactly.
It's like there has to be

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something in place.
And what I'm circling back to is

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what I said.
I think even in that worst case

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scenario, I do still think there
has to be a schoolwide policy of

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well, it's just batch of
resources we can use.

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That's what I think.
I think that as well.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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There we go.
Anyway, next question, go on.

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My head teacher has announced
that in September she's looking

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at moving where teachers are
going to teach.

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None of us want to move as we
are happy where we are and staff

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have not been moved in around 10
years as far as I'm aware.

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All staff have questioned if we
have an input in this and we're

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point blank told no.
Coincidentally the latest we

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were here where where we will go
is the day before the May

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deadline.
That's interesting.

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So it seems either suck it up or
leave.

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Shouldn't there be a discussion
at least between staff and head

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teacher rather than just being
dictated to?

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What do you think?
I don't know.

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I don't think I agree.
You know, go on.

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I'm a little bit like I think
first.

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Hayden thinks you're wrong,
listener.

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I'm trying to be polite but my
gut feeling is.

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What?
What wrong about what?

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Go on, dive.
Into it the the head teacher,

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your boss is well within their
rights to move you to a

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different class because you're a
teacher and and there's no part

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of your teaching contact that
says I only work in year 4 and I

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have to do it from 10 years or
more.

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If anything, take that.
That's screaming out to me.

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Crikey, yeah, let's, let's move
the staff around a bit.

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They've been in the same place
for 10 years.

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For what reason?
Just.

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Just to spice up the job a
little.

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Bit why, why why do we need to
spice up?

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If these teachers have been
doing it for 10 years, know the

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curriculum at the back of their
hand, clearly good are good

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here.
Let's assume why.

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Why, why?
Why?

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Is just to spice up reason OK?
To spice it up was a terrible,

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terrible explanation.
There's more to it, right?

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I was being polite and trying to
frame it in a way where anyone

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just say what what are you
talking about?

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Actually, that is the worst
reason, just to spice it up.

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The reason to me is, and I think
there is absolute evidence of

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this just from my career.
And I think it's, you know,

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there's probably more evidence
out there in terms of other

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people experiencing it too.
I think moving teachers around

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to get experience in different
year groups genuinely, genuinely

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makes you a better teacher.
I think if you are only in year

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6 and you have no experience of
any of the the stuff that

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happens before that, I don't
think that makes you a bad

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teacher.
But I do think it will

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potentially make you a better
teacher if you go and teach in

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year 4 and Year 5 for a couple
of years and then go back to

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year 6.
I think year six teachers that

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have been in in previous years
have a better holistic

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understanding of the journey
through Key Stage 2 and are

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therefore better teachers when
they are in any of those

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respective year groups.
So just to spice it up is it was

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a terrible way of saying there
is legitimate reasons I think

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that you can become you can be a
better practitioner if you're

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not stagnating in the same year
group.

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Can you imagine?
This long it's happening and you

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go into your head, you're like,
why are you doing this?

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And the head just like just to
spice it up baby.

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And you're like what?
And they just throw some peri

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peri salt in your face.
OK.

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I'd say if I was a head teacher,
I'd do it just to rage bait my

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stuff, I think, and then I'd
tell them the real reason.

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But I think there's weight in
that, you know?

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Yeah.
So I, I don't, I don't disagree

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with that.
I don't disagree with the fact

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that at the end of the day, you
contract, you're a teacher in

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the school, you're a key stage 2
teacher or a key stage one key

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stage 2 or primary, whatever it
says.

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And therefore you can be moved.
I do think in a school built

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around trust and respect and
professionalism that I, I, I

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don't, I don't necessarily like
this what it seems to be

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portrayed as the head being a
bit like I'm the boss to get

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over it.
I'd I have always experienced in

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my every single year in every
school I've worked in that there

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is at least some kind of
preference form that goes out or

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or a conversation that goes out
every year for for a teacher to

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at least put their point across.
Now it might be that they end up

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struggling to fill the year
groups and someone doesn't get

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what they need or doesn't get
what they want rather than say,

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but like some people might.
I think that to me should

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happen.
So the fact that's not happening

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to me, I don't think that's
wrong.

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Sorry, I don't, I don't think
that's that the right thing to

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do where there's nothing at all.
I think it's obviously it's

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acceptable.
Obviously the head can do that.

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I'm not saying it's, it's
completely wrong and it's

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broken.
You should go to a tribunal

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about it because that's not
true.

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But I'm just saying in in a
school I want to work in or a

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school that I would want to
manage, that would be a really

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key part of this process when
I'm changing teachers around.

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To ask you a question to see if
it changed your perspective at

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all.
I'm just adding some context.

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This is not part of the
question.

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This is just in my made-up one,
right?

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Would it, would your answer be
different if in the previous

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nine years where everyone's been
in the same place, the head

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teacher did ask and they all
consistently every single year

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said I just want to stay where I
am.

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And the head teacher got to the
point where like where they're

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thinking, I know there is way in
being a better practitioner by

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moving staff around.
Nobody wants to move around.

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And I know I'm going to get the
same answer for the 10th year in

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a row, so I'm just going to do
the hard thing.

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Would it change your opinion?
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it would.

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It would because in that, in
that respect, the question has

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still been asked if it's the
same people three years later.

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Well, I still ask the I still, I
still got this information.

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We didn't ask them this year
though.

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No, no, that's fine because I'm
saying that's OK because it's

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the same people and I still have
had that process of asking them.

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And that means the conversation
has been open for a few years.

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OK.
And because that conversation

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has been open, I think starting
off with what do you prefer?

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What's your preferences before I
make the decision that I've got

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to make at the end of the day, I
think that's better than just

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saying, oh, I'm the head
teacher, I'm going to change it

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right now.
So as long as that conversation

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has been opened and then that
allows you to have the

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conversation after all, right?
OK, you've had the preference

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for year 4 few years in a row
now.

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I've kept you there.
I really want to change it this

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year now and I'm going to change
it.

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That's a much easier
conversation and to me much more

450
00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,079
reasonable than simply going,
I'm changing it now.

451
00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:09,280
I'm just not not mentioning
anything.

452
00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,440
So I think it's it's about it
being a process.

453
00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,839
And I think opening up, you just
have to open up at some point,

454
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,200
have a dialogue with your staff.
Like they're not OK.

455
00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:18,319
They're my subordinates.
OK, yeah.

456
00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,240
Like I agree, like they are just
professionals.

457
00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,800
Dialogue is important.
Open that dialogue.

458
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000
There is one part of this which
makes me think.

459
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,000
I don't know that I reckon.
I reckon maybe the head is being

460
00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,040
that context we just gave there
makes me think, I reckon the

461
00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,320
head wasn't doing that, which is
this part here, the latest we're

462
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,440
here.
Where we're going is the day

463
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,120
before the May deadline.
The fact that they are

464
00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:39,560
purposefully not telling their
staff where they're moving

465
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,720
until.
They just they have 12 hours to

466
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,800
the 12 hours.
Decide to quit, I think is a bit

467
00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,200
like that's a bit shitty in my
opinion.

468
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,800
I think if you're going to do
this and you like, if you know,

469
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,720
even if you know it's still best
for your staff ultimately to

470
00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,600
move around and it might even
just, it might revitalise some

471
00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,440
staff.
I personally think you can

472
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,120
absolutely stagnate in the job
of teaching if you're in the

473
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,760
same class and teaching the same
stuff year after year after

474
00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,440
year. 10 years is quite a long
time to be doing that.

475
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,920
And as a leader, you might
think, I know they're super

476
00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,800
comfortable, but I want them to
go into a new environment and

477
00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,320
revitalise their teaching
practition, right?

478
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,520
And, and I know that that will
happen, but they're not going to

479
00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,960
want to do it.
I still think you have to then

480
00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,720
give your staff the respect to
say you might not like this.

481
00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,800
I think it's best for all of
you.

482
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,880
But if you really, really,
really don't want to, I am going

483
00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,120
to give you an opportunity to
leave.

484
00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:27,200
But as your boss, this is a
change I'm going to be making.

485
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,240
There is no reason in my
contract I can't make this

486
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,960
change.
It's really not that

487
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,360
unreasonable to move a teacher
to a different year group, but

488
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:35,760
I'm going to give you a month's
notice.

489
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:36,280
Yeah.
Yeah.

490
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,400
I think forcing them to do it
right before then that, you

491
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,760
know, they might quit is a bit
like, that's a bit mean.

492
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,840
I don't think you need to do
that.

493
00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:45,440
And and do you know what if if I
was a head teacher in a school

494
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,280
where me moving someone's year
group after 10 years of being in

495
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,920
the same one was a reason enough
for them to want to leave, I'd

496
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,600
want them to leave.
And that's not even me being

497
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,840
rude or anything, that's just me
being genuine there where I'm

498
00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,040
saying if that is enough to tip
you over the bar, then

499
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,320
absolutely go and find a new
school where they'll probably

500
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,520
put you in a random year group
anyway.

501
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,240
Are you gonna go and find an
exact year group in a different

502
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:07,960
school?
Probably not.

503
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,240
Yeah, to me, it'll probably get
to the point where I'm just

504
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,280
like, it's been years.
This is the context.

505
00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,120
I think the context has to be
really clear that you've worked

506
00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:18,600
with these people for a long
time, You've opened that

507
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,400
dialogue.
If it's still a problem, then

508
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,280
it's like, OK, I'll let you make
that choice then.

509
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,640
Yeah, Because I think most
people would still just stay in

510
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:26,960
the school they're at and just
go to Year 3.

511
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,760
Definitely and realise it's
maybe not that bad like 99% of

512
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:30,960
the time.
So the head teacher might also.

513
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,240
I'm just thinking something lay
layers to this.

514
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,080
They might, they might generally
be looking at that school and

515
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,480
thinking, honestly, half the
teachers are really, really

516
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,200
complacent and stagnating in
these roles.

517
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,160
They don't know it because
they're just super comfortable.

518
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,760
I don't want to say that to them
because it sounds horrible.

519
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:44,920
Yeah.
So I'm just going to make the

520
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,760
move.
I know it all.

521
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,760
I know I have a positive impact.
I don't have to tell everyone

522
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,120
that it's because, oh, you're
all doing, not doing very well

523
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,000
in your jobs right now.
Like because that might sound,

524
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,160
but they might be thinking that
they might be thinking.

525
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,720
Sorry, listener, Hey, just gone
for you.

526
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,800
No.
No, I'm not saying that because

527
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,760
I'm in my own made-up scenario
this might not be true

528
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,800
whatsoever, but I can imagine a
head teacher thinking I'm going

529
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,480
to make this choice and it's
going to come across me and

530
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,840
they're going to think I'm being
considerate.

531
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,000
But I.
Don't actually want to say to

532
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,200
them the truth, which is I want
to move you all around because I

533
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,680
think you'll be better
practitioners because you've

534
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,200
stagnated in the same year group
for 10 years.

535
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,760
They might be thinking that.
And I think there's just,

536
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,720
there's loads of layers to this
where I'm like, there is just a

537
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,240
reality where perhaps it's just
a good choice.

538
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,120
I don't like the fact that they
haven't opened the dialogue

539
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,720
before.
Yeah, that ultimately Trump's

540
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,160
this whole thing for me.
I think in this real life

541
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,560
context, I think this head
teachers probably just not being

542
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,960
very kind about it.
But I think there are realities

543
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,080
where a teacher would want to
make that change for good

544
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,760
reasons.
And the staff might not like it,

545
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,000
but it's still a good reason to
do it.

546
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,200
OK, let's let's move on to
another question where we can

547
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,440
completely make up the situation
and answer something that wasn't

548
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,200
answered.
Let's do that.

549
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,160
I hope that helps.
I don't know this way that

550
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,680
really helps You're you're an
idiot who's wrong?

551
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,760
That's just really gonna happen.
Well done, Hayden.

552
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,800
Just.
Because you spent the whole last

553
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,920
time doing that.
The followers count has gone

554
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,600
down by one.
Yeah, sleep.

555
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,920
All right, Next question is the
last episode wasn't that bad.

556
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,400
I just called everyone a shill.
Study suggests children's

557
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,080
happiness in school drops
between primary and secondary.

558
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,360
What could secondary learn from
primaries?

559
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,040
Obviously they work very
differently.

560
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,600
What?
Okay, let's narrow it down to

561
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,440
just simply, let's try and make
it a bit more concise.

562
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,280
What could secondaries learn
from primary in the context of

563
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,880
happiness?
I can only speak very, very

564
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,520
briefly about my own experience.
Yeah, go on.

565
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,200
I moved from a small one form
primary school.

566
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,840
I was the only one who went to
my grammar school.

567
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,040
The secondary school that I went
to, I was the only one that went

568
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,320
there, and that was sixth form.
So six classes, right?

569
00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:33,040
OK.
Across.

570
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,160
Yeah, with a sixth form as well.
Sixth form with a sixth form and

571
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,600
huge.
And the first month of me being

572
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600
there, I felt horrendous.
I wanted to stay at home, didn't

573
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,080
want to go into school anymore.
It was too big.

574
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,280
It was daunting.
My happiness dropped off

575
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,040
massively.
So is there anything that school

576
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,160
could have done or is it just
simply the case of suck it up?

577
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,000
That's just, well.
I think I don't have to be, but

578
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,240
I don't think you have to suck
it up.

579
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,120
But I think it is a case of the
way the system is built where

580
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:05,640
you have such a communal kind
of, you know, primary school is

581
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,920
so nurturing you with one person
every single day.

582
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,680
They're often a bit smaller than
secondary schools, and you're

583
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,920
often with your same teacher all
day.

584
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,320
Yeah.
Yeah.

585
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,360
To change basically everything
at once in a massive lead where

586
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,600
you've been in this school for
seven years of your life.

587
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,400
You know, everyone at the back
of your hand.

588
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,720
The teachers are really close to
you.

589
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,240
Your teacher.
You've got 1 teacher who's like

590
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,440
your idol to to match everything
up with then going to secondary

591
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,640
school, which is huge.
You're just a cog in the

592
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,480
machine.
You're going to seven different

593
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,680
people every single day.
Yeah.

594
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,960
And they teach tonnes of
classes, so exactly that super

595
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,240
you don't.
Have it's not as much and this

596
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,360
is nothing against secondary
school teachers, nothing against

597
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,080
secondary school in general.
This is just a simple look at

598
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,560
how I personally think that the
question what could secondaries

599
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,920
learn from primary?
I think it's really tricky to

600
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,520
actually give that information
because I don't think

601
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,080
secondaries just aren't trying.
I think that is his

602
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,320
fundamentalist systemic issue
where because of the way the two

603
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,320
things are ran, that will
inevitably drop off in my

604
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,880
opinion.
Of course I agree and I'm also

605
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,320
wondering.
I want to know your thoughts on

606
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,320
this.
How how much of the sort of

607
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,120
happiness drop off in secondary
school do you think is genuinely

608
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,560
nothing to do with the school
and attributed to the fact that

609
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,440
when we grow up, Jake, typically
secondary schools, we go through

610
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,920
puberty and all emotions change
it.

611
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,200
Like all of that stuff kicks in.
Yeah.

612
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720
Like if you were just a guest,
because obviously this is not.

613
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,600
Yeah, of course.
How much do you think is just

614
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,480
attributed to that?
And there's.

615
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,240
Nothing we can do.
I don't think it is I I think

616
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,480
it'll be really kind of stupid
and dark for us to sit here and

617
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,080
try and say how much is
attributed to whatever.

618
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,320
Never do it though.
I'm not gonna never give me a

619
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,960
number.
We are podcast Bros yeah.

620
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,400
I think it's because of the woke
65 cent.

621
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,080
It's the woke BLOB media.
That's that's that's why yeah.

622
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,080
No, I what I think it's just
another reason.

623
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,360
Yeah, it's just another reason
why that happens in secondary

624
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:47,440
school.
And again, I can only think

625
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,880
about my own experience where in
that month or two when I first

626
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,120
went to that school, it it you
know, it was the same school

627
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,800
that I loved two years later
that I, that I, I look back at

628
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,920
secondary school experience.
It was an unbelievable school.

629
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,760
I loved it.
I made such good friends.

630
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,560
I had.
It was, it was like a huge

631
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,400
community by the end.
Because you build that up again,

632
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,080
but you have to go back to
scratch.

633
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,600
You have to start again from
nothing.

634
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,400
And when you have the context of
your old school, which you

635
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,440
obviously adore because you're a
young child that is just

636
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,480
naturally I was going to drop
off and I did drop off.

637
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,800
And I, I don't blame the school
for that remotely.

638
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,080
No.
And again, you're like, you're

639
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,920
saying you're going through
puberty, your hormones are all

640
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,280
over the place.
You're just, you're in a new

641
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,840
environment with new people.
Yeah.

642
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,400
The systems are different.
The way you interact with your

643
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,720
teachers are different.
They expect, they probably you,

644
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,600
you go to from being the oldest
who knows everything at the back

645
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,800
of their hand and understands it
to brand new to a new

646
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,000
institution that has new rules,
new expectations.

647
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,120
That's usually higher.
Homework's usually higher as

648
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,080
well.
Yeah, everything's bigger and it

649
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,800
can just be such a poor moment
that if the question is what

650
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,200
could secondaries learn from
primaries?

651
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,880
The the only thing I really
think could have a massive

652
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,840
impact is to try and make that
bridge a bit stronger and and

653
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,400
have those links to set a
primary school before they go.

654
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,960
Ease it, more ease it rather
than that drop off.

655
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000
Exactly that, yeah.
Just just build up something a

656
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,640
bit more.
And when they're in 7-8 and

657
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,800
nine, that key stage 3 journey,
yeah, maybe just make it a bit

658
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,880
more similar to primary school.
Maybe just have a few more

659
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,360
teachers who teach a couple of
lessons.

660
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,600
Yeah, maybe have more of a
stronger link with your form.

661
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,080
I don't know.
I don't know the answer because

662
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,840
I don't work in a secondary
school and I think secondary

663
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,840
schools probably do a lot of
well I.

664
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,960
Was going to say this is more
commonplace than when we went to

665
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,280
secondary school already like I
already hear stories of.

666
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,440
This how many primary school
teachers have you heard of?

667
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,040
Because I've heard of a lot who
have gone into a role in key

668
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,400
stage 3 being an explicitly key
stage 3.

669
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,520
And their their role is
essentially, of course they do

670
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,000
teaching, but their role is
essentially to manage the

671
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,760
children in that, in that
transition.

672
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,840
I think, I think that's key.
Like I what I basically don't

673
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,840
want to do is sit here and say,
yeah, secondary, it's so

674
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,680
different to primary.
I teach primary, kids are so

675
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,960
happy they go to secondary.
The whole, I don't think it's an

676
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,280
issue with the people.
I think they're doing the best

677
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,920
they can 100%.
But what I'm saying, I still

678
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,280
think we can do something in key
Stage 3 and it and it feels like

679
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,560
a lot of secondaries are doing
that.

680
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,120
Exactly that the end of the day,
it's a big change both

681
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,560
personally for a child to go
through those, those age jumps

682
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,480
of teenage years and it's a big
change literally going from the

683
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,280
school setup of a primary school
to a typical school setup of a

684
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,720
secondary school, right?
So those things are like, you've

685
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,160
got to factor them in.
We can't do everything about

686
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,680
that.
I just end with like 1 personal

687
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,880
experience.
I don't know if it's more

688
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,400
widespread read for me, but I
felt that a primary school, if I

689
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,520
did feel emotional anyway, I
really genuinely knew exactly

690
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800
who's talked to and exactly who
to go to, who cared about me

691
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,360
enough that I could just have
these conversations like a

692
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,240
family liaison officer or even
just my teacher because like you

693
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,000
said, I saw them every day
constantly.

694
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,760
We didn't have said I just
literally got taught by the same

695
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,680
person all day every day.
Whereas in secondary school, I

696
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,160
do distinctly remember thinking,
particularly when I was old,

697
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,520
like 14/15/16, I was like, I
have no idea who to talk to.

698
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,880
Like when I'm feeling whatever
I'm feeling, whether it's a

699
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,400
negative emotion, I guess I just
didn't know who to go to.

700
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,480
And maybe there were people that
people in place and I just

701
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,720
didn't that bridge wasn't built
enough for me personally.

702
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Other kids may be thinking what
I knew exactly who to go to.

703
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,560
But all I can say is I knew what
to do in primary school and I

704
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,000
didn't know who to go to in
secondary school.

705
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,200
So there could be some more work
done there, maybe just to make

706
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,120
that build that bridge, like you
said, of care in a bigger

707
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,480
environment where you do have
seven different teachers every

708
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,840
single day and not necessarily
guaranteed you're going to get

709
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,680
that one teacher like your
primary school teacher who you

710
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,600
feel that bond with.
Yeah, definitely, for sure.

711
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,280
Completely agree, absolutely
cool.

712
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,360
Right next one.
I'm looking at starting my

713
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,080
reports for the end of the year
and have previously been told by

714
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,600
leadership that in no
circumstances are we allowed to

715
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,640
use AI to help write them.
Any advice on how to get this

716
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,040
job done quickly without tearing
my hair out because I can't use

717
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,680
AI?
Or even maybe is there something

718
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,040
I could go to my leadership with
to suggest that actually I

719
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,560
should be allowed to use it?
Number one, if it's really that

720
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,800
much of a problem and your
school are like, oh, you can't

721
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,120
use AI, do it anyway because
they won't know what are they

722
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,240
talking about?
Can't you say I all right?

723
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,000
Won't they know?
Won't they know?

724
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,640
Great question, champ.
Well, it turns out that Bob Hash

725
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,600
Colon had a great year.
And that's all down to you like

726
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,080
you, can't you?
Can't the massive MD?

727
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,040
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, 100%.

728
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,240
They can't tell if you actually
put a little bit of effort into

729
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,600
making it more personalised.
Little Johnny had a Goodyear in

730
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,960
Mass.
You're damn right he did.

731
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,200
OK, I remember being told a
couple of years ago that my by

732
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,840
the head teacher, he was like
genuinely blown away of how good

733
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,240
and personalised my reports
were.

734
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,600
And I was like wrote all of
those of AII thought they are

735
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,880
personalised because I gave it a
bullet point list of all of the

736
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,560
personal things literally from
my brain that needs to go into

737
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,240
it.
But it formed a paragraph for

738
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,080
me.
And guess what?

739
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,640
That paragraph was written
considerably better than what I

740
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,680
would have written after the
30th iteration of writing

741
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,400
reports.
I don't think we need to go into

742
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,080
exactly how to use AI to write
reports.

743
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,040
We've done it so often.
Go back and look at our

744
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,600
episodes, just search reports in
the little search bar because

745
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,040
there'll be something on there
that we've talked about

746
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,080
previously.
We've had Mr Peon talking about

747
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,640
AI because he he has teach Mate
that they do different reports.

748
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,880
So listen, it's a huge part of
reports right now.

749
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,760
What I do want to say is this
because just based on the back

750
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,360
of what your story that you've
just said about the, the head

751
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,160
teacher being shocked how
personalised they were, and then

752
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,800
you told him it was AII actually
don't think that's good.

753
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,360
I, I no, what let me really
clear.

754
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,640
I don't think it's good to use
AI genuinely in an environment

755
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,640
where no one knows that it's
being used at all.

756
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,720
Right.
OK, I, I know we joked before

757
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,280
about just use AI.
Let me be really clear why there

758
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,920
has to be really clear rules
around safeguarding GDPR, OK,

759
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,920
GDPR and safeguarding in general
and uploading personal

760
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,000
information to large language
models, OK?

761
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,720
So when we say, and I went a bit
too far because when we say in

762
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,280
there, just pretend, I actually
think it's also acceptable to

763
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,720
use it.
And and you can't tell.

764
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,240
However, there has to be there's
there's has to be some threshold

765
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,880
where either you've done some
training yourself or you've been

766
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,800
given training around how to do
it safely.

767
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,360
That isn't breaking GDPR, that
isn't uploading personal

768
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,680
information and names of
children to large language

769
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,240
models to do that learning of
yeah, yeah, just to generate

770
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:41,600
your.
Report.

771
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,920
You know what?
That is actually a really,

772
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,840
really good point.
The idea that even one person

773
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,840
will listen to that and then use
AI listen to me saying that and

774
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,240
then use.
AI full names.

775
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Badly with with breaking GDPR
guys on T-shirt Pete said to do

776
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,840
it is actually awful.
So let's bring it back a little

777
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,440
bit.
I still think it's completely

778
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,480
acceptable to use reports.
But like Dylan said that if your

779
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,080
school doesn't have an AI policy
and you're deciding to go

780
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,760
against the school's rules,
which, you know, probably

781
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560
shouldn't do, but it's me saying
anyway, yeah, you have to at

782
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,560
least be GDP compliant yourself.
So they've gotten compliance.

783
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,720
So anytime you ever used AI to
write a report done.

784
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,640
And ask you right now and I've
said this before, but it's so

785
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,800
important to say yeah, yeah,
yeah.

786
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,800
What did you do to make sure you
were not breaching these basic

787
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,080
things?
Firstly, I'm just going to be

788
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,560
really clear to people, there is
a difference between us saying

789
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,240
use AI when you're not allowed
to and saying still use it

790
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,760
safely.
So I'm just saying there's two

791
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,880
things.
Panicky.

792
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,200
Now, no, no, no, I'm not
panicky.

793
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,600
I'm just what you said.
I was like, let's be really

794
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,920
clear to people.
Yeah, use it, but use it safely.

795
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,280
It has to be done in terms of
what I did when I wrote my

796
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,960
reports.
I, I was never, ever using the

797
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,960
names of, of pupils.
Yeah, not once.

798
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,480
So I'd, I'd write bullet point
list of the, the child that I

799
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,360
was writing about.
Like I'd have my Word document

800
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,440
open with their name and maybe
some data, etcetera.

801
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,320
And I would have a script where
I would have 567 bullet points

802
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,160
and it would just be like one or
two words, behaviour,

803
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,600
attainment, F social skills,
whatever it is that I want to

804
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,640
include in my report because
different schools will have

805
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,960
different needs.
So you just have that yourself.

806
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,280
I had this little script, 7
bullet points was like, cool.

807
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,240
So then I sat down and I had the
my class list and I'd be like,

808
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,000
right, cool, little Jimmy, let's
do him now.

809
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,640
And I won't put that name in
obviously.

810
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,720
And it would say OK behaviour
and I would say excellently

811
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,000
behaved at all times.
Sure.

812
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Done.
So you keep it all nameless.

813
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,160
Just really nameless, excellent
behaviour at all times.

814
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,360
As simple as that.
That's like 6 words.

815
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,200
Yeah, it's 5 words.
It's.

816
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Yeah.
OK, sorry.

817
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Next one.
Social skills.

818
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,320
Struggle to maintain
friendships.

819
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,920
This year has a couple of close
friends.

820
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Yeah.
That'll take me to.

821
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,720
I know this.
This is taking no effort

822
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,360
whatsoever because I know the
kids at the back of my hand.

823
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,880
I just know it.
That'll take me 3 minutes.

824
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,680
Yeah. 3 minutes.
Copy, paste.

825
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,560
No names at all.
Copy paste into AI.

826
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,640
I would.
I would already be telling what

827
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,480
I'm doing.
I want a formal written report

828
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480
based the end of year there.
It's for a year 4 class in key

829
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,120
stage 2.
Nothing to do location, nothing

830
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,160
to do names, nothing at all
that's identifiable for the

831
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960
school.
Nothing that's identifiable for

832
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,920
the child.
Go say, OK, cool.

833
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,560
Send me your notes.
I send the notes in.

834
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
It will generate a paragraph,
copy, paste.

835
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800
And I'd say to it, whenever you
would write a name in here,

836
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,880
leave a blank.
Yeah.

837
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,680
Or put a question mark, whatever
it was, whatever it is.

838
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,520
So I copy it into the report.
And what's great then is I'm

839
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880
going to read this through
anyway and make any amendments.

840
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,520
Yeah.
What forces me to do that is the

841
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,320
fact there's no names in it.
Yeah, so you have to read them.

842
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,200
So I.
Have to read it through so

843
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,920
there's no names in it.
Now I copy it over every time

844
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,080
there's a blank I write in the
name and I'm reading the report.

845
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Oh actually I don't like that
wording.

846
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,920
It's a bit off to change that,
or I wanted to make sure I put

847
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,520
this in about the club.
Actually, I forgot to write

848
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,320
that.
Write that in.

849
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,200
So what you're doing here
essentially is you're writing

850
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,680
the report, you're putting every
bit of information in through

851
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,040
the bullet points.
It's just putting it into some

852
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,480
prose for you, which reads
nicely and is professional.

853
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,040
And then you're going through
editing anyway because you're

854
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,600
adding in the name to me.
That process for me produced the

855
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,080
best reports ever, ever, ever.
And.

856
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,960
Shaved lots of time off
absolutely right.

857
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,280
And I know for some people, and
it's interesting, I've had

858
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,440
discussions about people that
were like they swear by doing

859
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,960
exactly that and they really
like the time that goes into an

860
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,400
effort is putting the bullet
points.

861
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,640
Basically.
There are some people I did this

862
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,200
once as well and I thought it
was quite good where I just I

863
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,560
had the meta list of bullet
points that I wanted, like you

864
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,160
said, like I'd have a thing that
says something about behaviour,

865
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,000
something about attainment,
something about this, this, this

866
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,120
and this.
And then I would literally use a

867
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,200
voice to text like, so when I
talked AI and I just literally

868
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,480
tell it rather than me typing it
down, I'd literally say this,

869
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,880
this and this, this kid, this
does this.

870
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,400
They behave really well.
A couple of friends, they

871
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,880
struggled back in turn 1 with
this thing.

872
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,000
And then I just, I didn't have
to type it.

873
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,360
I'd just tell AI to do it that
way.

874
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,640
So that saved me a little bit
more time.

875
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,200
But I do realise that you have
to be quite confident just to

876
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,160
reel it off the Dome without
stopping and thinking whilst

877
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,480
you're typing.
And making sure that you don't

878
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,920
accidentally just say, oh, yeah,
and.

879
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,680
And Ava, his mate.
Yeah.

880
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Just be careful you don't say so
exactly when you're typing.

881
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,560
You can curate it.
That's true.

882
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
That's good point, yeah.
So I think I basically it's gone

883
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,440
off on a tangent slightly.
I think I think it is absolutely

884
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,360
should be used for reports
because I think hopefully for

885
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,160
some people who are unsure about
maybe the personalisation aspect

886
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,920
of it, I'm hoping that's
explained how it is still

887
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,120
actually quite personable.
Yeah.

888
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Because it has to come from you.
It can't be made.

889
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,120
It can't be plucked out of thin
air.

890
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,800
Absolutely.
So when you said, or maybe even

891
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,440
something I could take to my
head to suggest why we should be

892
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,440
allowed to use it, maybe you can
to summarise some of this

893
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,040
conversation we've just had.
That shows how it can be

894
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,679
completely GDPR compliant,
completely safe and also produce

895
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:13,920
really good personalised
reports.

896
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,639
Still take that conversation to
them.

897
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,040
That ultimately is better, jokes
aside, than just saying to them,

898
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,440
yeah, whatever, and going off
and hoping that you follow.

899
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120
GDPR compliance.
Yourself and potentially risking

900
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,719
your job.
Maybe don't do the thing I said

901
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,120
at the start, which I'm now
thinking.

902
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,159
No.
And if no, but I think it is

903
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,600
about safety.
If you're for example, a lot of

904
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,400
the products out there that do
report generation, they are GDPR

905
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,280
compliant.
It's a company, they, they will

906
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,199
say we have built this to be GDP
compliant, We've built this to

907
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:42,960
be safeguarding compliant
wherever it might be.

908
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,000
So then you know, you can put in
what you want.

909
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,440
It doesn't save anything either.
It will tell, it will make sure

910
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,639
for you.
So that's when using that kind

911
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,480
of scaffold around it, rather
than just going to a large

912
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,679
language model, you have your
own.

913
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,800
That's where it can be better to
do because you know, it's

914
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,840
protected.
You can still do the large

915
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,600
language model, which is just
your own personal account.

916
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,560
You just have to be very mindful
of the fact that you cannot give

917
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,320
any identifying features away of
any children.

918
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,120
OK, reverse everything I just
said about being safe.

919
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,080
Go back to the the original 1
where I was saying be reckless

920
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,520
and be a rebel.
If you're really worried about

921
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,160
doing it just school you can't
be bothered to have the

922
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,440
conversation with your school.
Just use something like Teach My

923
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,520
AI or Rocket AI where they put
all that scaffolding for you and

924
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,320
they've made it safeguard to
compliant and do it anyway.

925
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,280
Should we make our own one?
I think we should, yeah.

926
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Should we?
It's going to be called.

927
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,000
It's going to be called Teach
Sleep, Report, repeat.

928
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,920
Oh.
Teach, sleep, report, repeat.

929
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,520
You kept repeating.
But I just want you have to do

930
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,440
more than one report.
That's true.

931
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,040
So teach.
But you have to teach and sleep

932
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,280
before you do your next report.
Yeah, I was.

933
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Yeah, between.
Each one takes a few months.

934
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,120
We'll work on it.
We'll.

935
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,240
Work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

936
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,560
Anyway, next question.
I love teaching, but I cannot

937
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,200
afford to live.
Doesn't that isn't that 2026 in

938
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,760
a nutshell?
There pretty much just someone

939
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,000
saying who's got a job that as a
professional, I can't afford to

940
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,880
live.
Brilliant.

941
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,160
I'm single, in my 30s, I rent
and I can't save a penny.

942
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,600
At what point is it
irresponsible to stay in a job

943
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,160
that you love but that keeps you
financially stuck?

944
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,520
It feels like any jump into a
new career would mean a pay cut

945
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,360
that I can I cannot afford even
though 5 to 10 years down the

946
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,160
line I would be in a better
position.

947
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:10,960
How normal?
How normal is it?

948
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880
Very, very normal.
I feel like it really like we're

949
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,680
living up to the name repeat in
our podcast because I feel like

950
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,560
I hear this sort of thing a lot.
Like you're worried about this

951
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,880
sort of thing asking similar
sort.

952
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,880
Of questions I I very clearly,
very quickly anyone listening as

953
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,840
well.
I'd love to know if you can

954
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,520
leave a comment down in the
Spotify section or whatever,

955
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,720
wherever you are listening to
this.

956
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,280
How many people that you work
with have you had this exact

957
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,440
conversation with where they say
these words?

958
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,400
I would love to find a different
job, but I don't know what to

959
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,200
do.
I can't afford the pay cut.

960
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,040
Yeah.
How many?

961
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,960
I I, I, so many people said like
it's, it's scarily high as a

962
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,960
percentage of teachers I've
worked with who genuinely think

963
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,000
that it's like it's genuinely
like 25.

964
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,080
Percent isn't isn't that so like
depressing on society though?

965
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,880
Because simultaneously that
person is saying typically I

966
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,320
don't earn enough money in this
job.

967
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,800
Yeah, to live my life properly.
Yeah.

968
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,120
And I can't quit because other
jobs I earn even less.

969
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,200
Yeah.
Like how old?

970
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Like, and but that's, that is
genuinely like, firstly, there

971
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,040
are other jobs that earn less
than the teacher.

972
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,960
Yeah.
So when we talk about teachers

973
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,880
not earning enough, it's not us
being rude to those people as

974
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,080
well.
It's just saying, yeah, God,

975
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,720
that's crap as well.
Yeah, exactly.

976
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,400
But this is a job where you get
a qualification, you go to

977
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,360
university, it's professional.
It's very important.

978
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,360
You should be able to afford to
live as a single person in this

979
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,640
society.
If you work as a full time

980
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,040
teacher.
What we, what we're talking

981
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,200
about, you should be able to
afford to live.

982
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,880
But the point, the point also is
that regardless of that, even

983
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,600
when you go into a career which
has more of a, let's say the

984
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,320
ceiling's much higher of what
you can eventually earn, you

985
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
have to put the grunt work in at
the start where you're not

986
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,440
earning as much.
Now that's easier to do when

987
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,680
you're 22 because you might be
living at home still, you've not

988
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
moved out yet.
You can take that hit because,

989
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,920
you know, OK, I'm going to earn
20 grand for four years as a

990
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,760
teacher.
I'd be on 30 grand by the end of

991
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,280
that.
Wow.

992
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,800
Teaching's much better for the
short term.

993
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,800
But that person also knows that
as a childhood surveyor, by the

994
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,440
time they're 35, they'll be on
80 grand.

995
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,560
Yeah, right.
So as if you're in your 30s now

996
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,640
and you're thinking, oh, gosh, I
wish I could do that.

997
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,200
That would be great.
I could earn lots more money.

998
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040
But you actually, at that point
in your life, can't afford to do

999
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,160
the four years at 20 grand.
Then people get stuck like this.

1000
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,560
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
It's it's a horrible feeling

1001
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,640
horrible.
Like I I what?

1002
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,840
What do you?
Because I feel like you quite

1003
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,520
often have opinions on this.
You're laughing.

1004
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,600
You could say that about
anything.

1005
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Yeah.
Yeah.

1006
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,720
Just click that.
But you, no, you have, you have,

1007
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,920
I feel like you have quite a
strong opinion on like almost

1008
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,560
like a motivational opinion.
Normally you, you quite often

1009
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,960
will say something along the
lines of find a way to do it.

1010
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Do you know what I mean?
Like.

1011
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,320
Yeah, but I, I, again, I
hopefully when I say this kind

1012
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,760
of stuff, I, I absolutely want
to make clear to people now that

1013
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,080
I I hate it when you hear these
gurus online saying just work

1014
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,040
harder like you.
Yeah, I hate, it's not like me.

1015
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,720
It's the opposite of me.
Should be really clear.

1016
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,080
That's not what I think.
I hate it when I say I'll just

1017
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,360
work harder.
You know Simon Squibb.

1018
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Yeah, right.
Fantastic.

1019
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,160
What he's doing.
Look him up, genuinely look him

1020
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,800
up.
He goes around with a with a

1021
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,280
microphone.
Ask people what their dream is.

1022
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:06,760
Yeah.
OK.

1023
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,800
Yeah, yeah.
Nice content, lovely.

1024
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,160
It's great.
Everyone should have a dream,

1025
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,200
right?
If everyone did that, we

1026
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,280
wouldn't have fundamentally
important roles happening in our

1027
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,760
society.
It is a nice thing, and I don't

1028
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,680
want to be the person to say
people shouldn't follow their

1029
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,560
dreams.
Like, what a ridiculous thing

1030
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,800
you'd have to end up saying.
However, we do need teachers.

1031
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,720
Yeah, this, this person in their
30s who's single, who rents, who

1032
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,280
can't afford to save up for a
deposit to get their own house,

1033
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,480
who can't afford to save money
and invest for their future.

1034
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,680
That person doesn't need someone
to come along and say what's

1035
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,360
your dream?
What do you want to do?

1036
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,520
What do you want to do?
What do you do?

1037
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,600
If you do anything, what can you
do?

1038
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Yeah, go and do it, man.
They can't do it.

1039
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,880
They would have done it if they
could, Right.

1040
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,480
So there has to be a middle
ground.

1041
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,800
That's my point here.
It should be completely normal

1042
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,920
and acceptable that you can just
work as a full time teacher and

1043
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,880
get on in life.
That needs to be the baseline in

1044
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,520
my opinion.
That's not happening right now.

1045
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,400
Yeah.
So that if you're a single

1046
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,280
person on one income living on
your own, you need to be able to

1047
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,480
sustain yourself properly in any
job you do in a society that's

1048
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,640
remotely functioning.
OK.

1049
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,920
That's the that's the baseline,
the next level, which is where I

1050
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,080
come in and say, look, OK, let's
look at your individual

1051
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,880
situation and what you can do as
an individual.

1052
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Now ignore the fact everyone
can't do this.

1053
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,120
I know everyone can't do this.
And I think as generic advice,

1054
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,880
it's just awful.
And it just makes people feel

1055
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,360
bad for doing what is an
absolutely acceptable thing in

1056
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,240
their life, ends up making them
feel bad for thinking I'm not

1057
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:32,760
getting by.
And this job that I'm doing, you

1058
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,440
should be getting by.
And it's not a you problem.

1059
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,920
It's a system problem.
Next level up, though, you're

1060
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,640
talking to someone on an
individual level.

1061
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,000
If they're single in their 30s
and they rent and they can't

1062
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,400
afford to pay money, I'm
actually trying to help them.

1063
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,360
I'm actually trying to help them
now.

1064
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,920
And I'm saying, OK, look, we all
agree this is nonsense, but this

1065
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,160
is the situation we're in.
What can we do about it?

1066
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,680
Yeah, Option one, go to a lower
paying job and take the hit for

1067
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,840
a bit.
Let's look at your finances.

1068
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,040
You literally can't afford to do
that.

1069
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,440
There's nowhere local you can
move to to rent for less because

1070
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,400
that's the level of rent that's
not an option for you.

1071
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,400
What else can we do?
OK, you are a teacher.

1072
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,760
Can we reduce your workload so
that you can spend more of your

1073
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,080
holidays trying something
different?

1074
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,840
Yeah.
You get 13 weeks off a year.

1075
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,840
I, I granted for you personally
right now, I bet you work for

1076
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,080
loads of those 13 weeks.
How can we reduce that workload

1077
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,000
to stay within your, the quality
of your teaching that doesn't

1078
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,680
impact that, but that gives you
more time.

1079
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,200
That is definitely something we
can action.

1080
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,320
Cool.
We've made more time now.

1081
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,920
OK, cool.
Now that I've made this time,

1082
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,120
how can I spend this time either
doing something I'm passionate

1083
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,600
about or something I'm good at?
Yeah, hopefully it's the same

1084
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,360
thing.
But whatever it might be, it

1085
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,520
could be, it could be literally
anything.

1086
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,200
It might literally be tutoring
because that's your job.

1087
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,760
Can you do some tutoring?
Can you put yourself out a

1088
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,160
little bit more?
Can you do a few social, social

1089
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,840
media posts, all actionable
small things that you can at

1090
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,280
least try.
It might not work, but you can

1091
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,760
at least try to do that.
These are the 2 levels that I'm

1092
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,480
working at and this is what I
want to make really clear to

1093
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,680
people.
That bottom layer is the most

1094
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,800
important one.
You need to understand that it

1095
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,720
is not a you problem that you
work as a full time teacher in

1096
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,840
your 30s and you can't afford to
save for a deposit right now.

1097
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,080
That is a systemic problem.
That is not a you problem.

1098
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,200
You should carry no burden of
that as a personal guilt

1099
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,720
whatsoever.
The next level though, is where

1100
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,080
I think what your point making
is that I talk about this.

1101
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,360
What can you do?
I think there is still always

1102
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,200
something you can do though, and
whether other people choose to

1103
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,440
do that or not is their
prerogative.

1104
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,240
But for you, if you want to try
and do something, there's

1105
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,240
usually something that you can
try and do.

1106
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,200
And it might not work, but it
might, and you'd at least like

1107
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,840
to try.
I like, I always like that

1108
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,680
analogy and and I do think it
falls into that risky area of

1109
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,880
just saying people just work
harder because it's basically

1110
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,960
saying sacrifice your hard
earned time off and use that to

1111
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,360
maybe try and retrain in a new
job.

1112
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,320
Use a percentage of that time,
if it's a small percentage to

1113
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,080
try and learn a new skill or get
qualified so that you can

1114
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,560
transition into another job
without having to just straight

1115
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,920
up quit and then spend 2 years
training on no income.

1116
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,320
I get it.
But it's sort of like like you

1117
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,400
said in that exact situation
though, you're talking to that

1118
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,080
exact person.
They're saying, what can I do?

1119
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,800
That is an option though for
you.

1120
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960
You don't have to do it.
You don't have to do it.

1121
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,800
I did think of an option free.
You're already, I know, I know.

1122
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
It's going to be mental option.
Free if you're in this

1123
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,040
situation, just get married to
someone random who earns income

1124
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,200
and then you.
That will help if you rent.

1125
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,200
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

1126
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,640
So that's option free.
Can I marry you?

1127
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You how much do you earn?
That's the only question that I

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need to know in this.
Situation, you'll find that we

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earn exactly the same amount of
teacher.

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I know what you earn in that
Case, No.

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I need someone not that sugar
partner who earns.

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More to my sugar marriage,
daddy.

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Ohh, gosh, I hope that I hope
you understand what we're saying

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there and I think it is
important, right?

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Let's stop there.
And these questions we've still

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got here to go through.
Let's not just forget they exist

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and leave them in the next week,
every week.

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So we'll carry on next week and
we'll actually use all the

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questions we get sent.
We love it when you send us

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It's completely free.

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Before we go, Hayden, anything
you want to say?

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Well, if you do join the
WhatsApp community, you can moan

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00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,080
at Dylan for moaning at you on
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get a Direct Line to him.
So do that.

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Inspire the next rant.
See ya.