Ep 136: The Most TOXIC School Policies Ever! Massive Red Flags!

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Hello everyone and welcome back
to another episode of Teach the

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan and.

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My name's Hayden.
And this week, we have got your

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submissions of the worst, most
unhinged, crazy red flag rules

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that toxic schools have laid
down and forced you to follow.

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There's some crazy ones.
Here they are absolutely mad and

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plenty that I've never even
heard of in my time in teaching

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before as well, so do stick
around for them.

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Guys, let's dive straight into
it and if you like what you're

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Let's do this in our experience
of, you know, being primary

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school teachers for 20 years
between us having worked in a

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breadth of schools, we can
attest to the fact that there

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are some policies out there,
some rules from the top down on

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to teachers that are insane.
And I'd I'd go so far to call

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them like we're going to go
through today red flags.

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Yeah, we've, we've been there.
We've worked in multiple schools

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ourselves.
And at the time, I might not

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have been able to identify some
of those red flags, but with

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experience, you can look back
and go hang on a minute.

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And one of the big reasons we do
this podcast is because we want

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to say to you guys whether
whether it's from us or from

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other people, oh, by the way,
this is a massive red flag.

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And you might want to avoid this
when you're looking at schools,

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or you might want to call this
out of your school if you're

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only if it's your first school.
It's hard to know, isn't it?

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So yeah, it's very personal to
us and I'm very excited to talk

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about it.
Always strikes me as bizarre

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like, and we're just thinking
about before we go into all the

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details of all the ridiculous
things you guys have sent in to

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us.
I think it's important to think

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about like how this even comes
about.

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How how can you have schools,
you know, all following the same

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curriculum while having certain
goals, even maybe in the same St

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sometimes where one of them has
really high staff turnover,

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ridiculous draconian rules from
the top down.

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I know you have to do this, you
have to do that.

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And then another school
seemingly doesn't have that kind

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of environment where where
teachers are trusted a bit more

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and there's less of these kind
of really strict regimes, but

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both have decent outcomes.
How how does that end up

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happening?
Like, why do we even get into

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position where people think
these red flags, these

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ridiculous rules are good?
It's just people, isn't it?

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It is just a, it's just a
personality thing.

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It is.
It is people, unfortunately, in

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my opinion, that make it to
these positions of power and

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abuse it.
I'm sure there's more we can

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probably think of more like
slightly different avenues as to

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what happens, but ultimately
that is what it is.

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It is someone in a position of
power abusing that position of

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power.
Sometimes I think it's passive.

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I think they don't even realise
they're doing it.

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Maybe we can talk about that a
bit more.

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And sometimes I think they're
very much actively being like,

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no, I'm in, I'm in charge.
I know this will have negative

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impacts in this this in this
way, but I think that the

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outcome to the children without
going to my school or my image

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sometimes is worth it.
And they make the decision

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knowing, knowing it's going to
be on a podcast later with us

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talking about saying it's a red
flag.

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Yeah, because I, I see some of
the rules that I see, right.

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And I think, I can't imagine
anyone in their right mind

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thinks that this is something
that's acceptable.

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Yeah.
Like I, I genuinely can't fathom

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it.
Whereas some of them, I think,

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oh, I get, I get where we're
going and I kind of understand

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where you're off to there.
But I, I really, really, really

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struggle with some choices that
leaders make as to what on earth

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they're thinking.
And I want to make this really

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clear now because we have, we
have everyone listen from from

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teachers that are new,
experienced SL team members,

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people that have just gone into
the role, experienced leaders.

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We've got Matt leaders, Matt
CEOs who literally listen to the

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podcast and reach out and talk
to us.

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And what I hope happens when we
go through this and we have this

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discussion is that what I'd like
to think is those leaders who

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aren't like this cringe along
with us.

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Instead of thinking these guys
always go after leaders.

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It's such a shame.
Or why are they so negative?

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No, no, no, no, no.
I'm negative about people who

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deserve to be negative about.
Like if you come up with a

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ridiculous rule that impacts
your staff negatively and causes

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their workload to increase,
their anxiety to increase and

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they feel rubbish about
themselves and, and, but but

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it's because you wanted an extra
slide at the weekend.

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Done.
I think you're a bad person.

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And I hope other leaders this
thing go, Oh yeah, that is bad.

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Actually, that should be called
out and we should be able to

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have a discussion about why it's
wrong.

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Yeah, definitely.
And something we often say more

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behind the scenes, and we should
say it more right here, is we do

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not think everyone's like this.
In fact, if anything, we make it

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quite clear, I hope, that the
vast majority of leaders are

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literally not like this.
And they're even a huge category

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that we're kind of getting onto
here of, of leaders that, yeah,

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they might make decisions that
you can look at.

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I think what on earth are they
doing there?

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But they actually had the best
of intentions.

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And they genuinely think they're
helping.

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Like they have completely
convinced yourself this is a

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good decision for this reason,
this reason, this reason.

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And maybe there's an oversight.
And you might look at that and

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be like, well, that's, you know,
creating a toxic culture.

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Even that is different to me
than the what the kind of people

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you're talking about there where
we can all cringe and be like,

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what on earth?
Narcissistic.

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Yeah.
Like, because they do exist.

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And we can't just pretend they
don't just because it hurts

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people's feelings sometimes they
do exist.

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So I'm sorry, but we're going to
call it out.

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So.
Yeah.

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Yeah, the the answer is to not
pretend it doesn't happen.

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Yeah.
Is it?

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I mean, that's just not a way
that I want to live my life.

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Anyway, this all came about
because someone messaged us.

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And I know you do nothing for
the podcast, but we get we get a

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stream of messages now from
this.

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And yeah, you wouldn't know you
don't do anything for the

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podcast.
We've established we get a

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stream of messages from people
and go, my goodness me, keep

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them coming in and people that
come to us.

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Sometimes I feel like an agony
aunt.

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Sometimes I'm like, OK, it's
interesting, but I want to hear

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these things.
And, and someone mentioned

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they're, they're a newish
teacher.

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They've just got into the job
and they're like, they're,

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they're brought in this role.
It seems a bit odd and bizarre.

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So this is, this is where, where
this all started.

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Someone said a school had banned
shoes with laces for their

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staff.
You're not allowed to wear shoes

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that have laces anymore.
Did you must have read that

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wrong?
No, no, that was genuine.

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And I and I questioned it and I
said, and then this person said,

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yeah, an actual quote from SLT
on this was laces are

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unprofessional.
What?

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What would we wear?
What would I wear?

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I don't, I, I tell you what,
right now, I I've never worn a

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shoe yeah, that doesn't have
lacing in in my world.

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It's unprofessional.
Don't we talk?

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What are they?
Talking about what, what would I

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wear?
What?

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What is Velcro more?
What am I going to wear

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genuinely so.
So this is one of those, this is

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one of those points, right?
This is one of those points

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where I thought to myself, I
can't even think of the thought

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train.
Yeah, that someone might have

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gone down.
Maybe I think, oh, the outcome's

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bad.
But I get their thought train.

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They're thinking this.
I can't even.

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I can, I can go on if there were
no men, male teachers, right,

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Because I, I feel like women's
shoes, but you can have lots,

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there's lots of professional
variety that I don't have laces

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on.
Whereas so it might have been

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that they were like, oh,
there's, there's if it's all

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female members of staff, which
does happen in teaching, they

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might have been thinking some
people wearing trainers and we

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don't want to wear trainers,
right?

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OK, so if we say no laces,
they'll have to wear different?

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Just say no.
Trainers.

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I know that's mad to me, but
yeah, exactly.

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I can't get on that bit.
I don't know why they came to

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the conclusion no laces or
laces.

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They come undone sometimes and
we just can't have that.

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Getting offset it next week and
a bloke walks through from

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Ofsted and he's wearing like
sliders now, like see?

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You've been great at exemplary
on your Skechers, soldier.

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Where are your poop soles that.
Is nuts.

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That is actually nuts.
Well, that's that's what

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prompted me and I thought, I
thought we'd seen it all right.

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That's honestly where I thought
about this, like this kind of

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red flag stuff.
We've done a lot of episodes

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previously about toxic schools
and rules and stuff.

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I thought I'd seen it all.
So I thought, do you know what?

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I'll do a post.
So I posted something on our

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Instagram at Teachsteetpodcast.
You can go and follow us right

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now.
And that posted kind of

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simultaneously on Facebook as
well, does cross posting.

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And we got like hundreds of
comments and I thought

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brilliant, let's have a look
through.

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And halfway through, I remember
messaging you saying, OK, this

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is our next podcast episode
because they were absolutely

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insane.
And I think we're going to go

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through some.
So this is going to be the bulk

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of this episode.
We're going to talk about red

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flags.
Teachers have written in to us

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about their school, ridiculous
rules they've had to follow.

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But I think we need some kind of
system where we can rank them

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because like I said, I think
there's a difference, right?

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I think we should have
somewhere.

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We think, do you know what?
We might disagree with it, but

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it's fine.
It's not even a red flag, OK?

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We should have like a yellow
flag almost, right?

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I'll trust you to make about
football.

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Yeah, yellow flag and a red
card.

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I'm going to it.
I think yellow flag should be

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like you know this, this is a
sign but like fine, but wonder

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what what's going on like.
Those ones where it's like you

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can kind of see that maybe they
had a good intention, they've

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just not really thought about it
and they've a bit of an

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oversight.
Maybe even the lace one, it

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might be a bit like that.
That could have been a manager

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where where you talk to them and
they're like, Oh yeah, what am I

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talking about?
This is, yeah, potential.

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I don't know.
That might be a bit further.

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I still think lace is red flag,
but this is where we're going to

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have this discussion.
But then it goes to red flag,

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which is just like, you know
what?

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This is just a red flag.
Maybe a school has one or two

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you kind of put up with it.
But like this is a problem where

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as a teacher I would be saying
pushing back.

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I mean no, no, no, no and.
If I was looking at a school

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that had a red flag, not a
yellow flag that had a red flag,

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I would then be really like
considering, yeah, like

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reconsidering whether there's a
place I want to work in.

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Whereas the yellow flag might be
a bit more like, OK, I'll keep

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an eye out on this because I
changed the policy, but.

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Right.
Yeah, but, but, but, but I think

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that I think even with red
flags, I do think you can work

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in a really, really good school
that you get on with and it's

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nice.
And they can still have a couple

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of them.
I agree.

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So there has to be like another
level, like, I don't know.

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I don't know what we'd end up.
But there's no more football

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terms.
Yeah, it's like, what's worse

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than a red flag?
I don't know, like a red

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roundabout.
Red roundabout?

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Yeah, full about flags and
roundabouts.

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You have a full on red
roundabout big red button.

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Red roundabout is you avoid that
score.

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Is that what we're saying?
Red roundabout, then the red

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roundabout, you are not touching
that score.

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You're absolutely.
Your application is gone, You're

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leaving.
You're quitting.

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OK, that's all right.
That's that.

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I think that's what it should
be, all right.

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It should be a red roundabout is
the kind of thing where you're

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like.
Really sounds good.

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Come for some serious content.
It should be genuinely, yeah,

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where you say if there's one red
roundabout you don't work in

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that.
If there's one or two red flags

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like this is a problem, I'll
push back.

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I.
Can come to you, but you should

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consider.
It a yellow flag is almost like

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that's just a professional
discussion.

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Funny, this is what we're up to
right now.

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Yeah, all neutral if we're
basically saying it's not really

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a red flag, but.
Not yeah, not even a flag at

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all.
Yeah, just, I'd say white flag.

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But then you give up and you
come to full circle.

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Yeah, maybe.
It's a whistle blow.

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It's just a whistleblower.
There's no there's.

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No foul.
Yeah, it's just a foul.

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A foul.
A yellow guard, A red guard, A

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red roundabout.
Do we get a free kick?

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Is there we can we implement
that?

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Somehow.
No, we need to get started.

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This is nonsense.
I don't watch football.

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Did the player do an offside Oh
red roundabout for you?

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Typical Rooney, right?
OK, so we've we've already put

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the laces one, we're going.
To typical Rooney.

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I love how every, if I was, oh
I'm going to do it now very

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quickly then I asked you to name
5 footballers.

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They will exclusively be
footballers from the North East.

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Michael Owen, they, he's the one
I always think of.

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If someone says pick a
footballer, Owens, they're

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locked in.
I don't watch.

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Football just on the 90s.
Yeah.

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Michael Owen Beckham.
Yep.

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Yep.
Rooney.

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Yep.
Thierry Henry.

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Yeah, Good.
Yeah.

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One more Gary Lineker.
He's like to do football right?

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Was he a footballer?
Once he was very good footballer

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then became hosting.
Walkers man.

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Oh my God.
Right.

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Okay, so as we said, let's move
on then to actually what you've

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written in and we'll discuss
them because just some of these

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are insane.
Okay, starting off, not allowed

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to eat anywhere except the
dining room shared with the

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students, not even in the staff
room.

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Drinks only allowed in the staff
room or dining room.

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I once got an e-mail from HR
because they checked the bins at

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the end of the day and found
celebration wrappers in my bin

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which I'd given to my team at
the end of the day.

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I'm zooming around that
roundabout roundabout.

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Roundabout is a mini roundabout
where I go straight over it.

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I love it.
Yeah, the roundabout is great.

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Or turn around and go back,
whatever the analogy is.

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Roundabouts.
Great.

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That is a that is.
Yeah.

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It's either a red flag or a
roundabout.

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It's right up there.
If I was walking around the

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school and they said, by the
way, no food, yeah, unless

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you're.
Not only would you be eating a

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whisper goal at that time, 90%
chance of that happening you

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would be.
Gutted.

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How else will I eat 4 cheese and
onion walkers bags of crisps in

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one day?
Yeah, that isn't.

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That is mad to me though.
What do you mean start from

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literally?
Like literally for that it's a

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safe place.
And what on earth are HR up to

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with their time that they have
the ability to go and check a

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bin for a celebration wrapper?
Oh.

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My God.
Insane.

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After the idea that after school
as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like, yeah.
Checked after school.

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Wait a minute.
There's a bounty in there.

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How?
How on earth could you have

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fulfilled your role as a
teacher?

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Imagine, can you just imagine a
picture of it's 5:00 PM and

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there's just one person sat in
the dinner hall?

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There's no kids there, obviously
at this point, eating his

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celebrations.
I can't eat my class.

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What?
I've come here from a whisper

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goal.
Sorry.

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That's mad, that's mad.
I'm going to move on to another

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one.
We've got loads to rattle for.

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It so there'll be some, I think
that might spark more of the

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discussion.
That's just like getting the red

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roundabout bin.
For displays we had to back the

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children's work on card with A1
centimetre border on each SLT

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would spot check and go around
with a ruler and check and give

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us a board report with grading
for different aspects of our

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displays.
No, you're joking with a ruler.

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A board report.
Yeah, a board report.

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Board report.
Have you got nothing better to

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do with your time than to go
around with a ruler, measure

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backings and go back to your
computer?

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Maybe.
Like, OK, maybe it would be a

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red flag, right, If you went
round, measured it with a ruler,

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turn around to the person in the
room watching you.

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I think what this guy doing
should measure in your backing

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actually.
Oh nought .8 centimetres, that's

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bad, you got to fix that.
That's a red flag.

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A red roundabout is going back
to your desk and writing a

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bloody report about it.
It's mad, isn't it?

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I think that's just a red flag
to me.

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Just that's just a red flag.
I'm not going.

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I'm not.
I'm reserving the red

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roundabout.
I don't want to be.

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Using it I don't.
Use it in the first two already

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true.
I've really, really ruined this

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whole scale, haven't we?
Things around we have to get

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another one now.
No, we're not doing it.

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No, we're not doing it.
But I think I look, but I want

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every single one of these.
I'm going to really, really try

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so hard to like, basically be
devil's advocate and also just

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try and think, can I imagine
what was going through?

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There, well, I've tried.
No, I can't.

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I have tried already.
I think, I think some schools

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rightfully are worried about
what their school looks like.

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There's a certain image to the
school.

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I think you can have a sense of
we don't want our school to look

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like trash, you know what I
mean?

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We can have it so, so I can see
there is a, there is a, a scale,

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there's a line somewhere where
it's acceptable to say, yeah,

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obviously, obviously a school
can pull, pull its staff up on

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if the school looks absolutely
dreadful.

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Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, yeah.
But for this place, can they?

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Because it's not even my job.
I don't know.

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It's not even part of my job.
Like we talked about a million

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times, the the act of putting up
and down displays and making

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things look pretty is nice.
It's not my job all.

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Right.
OK, so they've come into your

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classroom and you've put on your
display massive whisper.

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Gold.
There's no display.

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One of them is blank and then on
next to it you've got the kids

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to make a big collage of a
whisper gold and you just stuck

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up and irrelevant anything
you're doing.

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Can you say it's not in my job
to do displays?

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You can't tell me what to put
on.

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What to take down?
No, no, no, because you've done

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the job in that respect.
If you're going to do the

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display, you should be within
some rules and boundaries.

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I think that's fine. 1
centimetre borders.

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Listen, listen, fine.
If if you say to staff, right,

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I'm not going to force you to do
displays because it's not your

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job.
However, lots of you like doing

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displays and think it's helpful
for the children, etcetera.

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So here are some guidelines that
you have to follow.

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I still think that's, that would
be like a yellow flag, right?

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But but at least then it's like
what I've chosen to do this

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display, it's still within my
remit of choosing.

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OK, obviously the content, it
can't be whisper gold and maybe

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some extra bits in there about
how wide the border is.

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I'd be like, look, I've chosen
to do this so I'm going to work

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within your remit.
That's fine if you're forcing

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staff to do it and then
reporting on everyone these

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ridiculous rules.
I I guess what I'm saying here

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is, would I quit the school?
I guess not.

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So maybe it's a red flag.
Yeah, OK.

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Because all I would do is not
quit, but I'd just not do it.

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You'd be pushing back.
I'd be pushing back.

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I'd be like saying no, this is
ridiculous.

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This is a red flag.
Look, you can't enforce this.

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It's nonsense.
Here's the contract.

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Here's the reason why.
Here's my union Rep saying I

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shouldn't even be doing displays
in the 1st place.

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It wouldn't make me quit.
Whereas if if I think if someone

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said to me you can't eat like
that person, then they were

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looking at bins.
I think I put my notes in.

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No, sorry.
Maybe that's the difference.

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Yeah.
OK, so red flag.

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What about you?
I'm.

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Yeah, I'm happy with that red
flag.

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We've decided.
Don't worry guys, we have

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spoken.
Gosh, right next one told by the

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head of secondary.
What is your agenda in telling

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people that you are mixed race?
Don't say that it confuses them.

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What?
What?

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That's not even like.
I don't feel like I can even

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joke about being a red
roundabout.

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No, like that's like that to me.
I don't know.

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I don't know what this is, but
that doesn't even like fit with

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this right.
This is like.

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Who you're talking to?
Harassment, like hot, like I

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don't know what the word is.
It's just like, horrible.

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Yeah, yeah.
Insane.

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That's madness.
Like genuinely, actually racist.

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Yeah, I'm like.
I almost want to say, oh, it's a

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red flag.
It's nothing to do with that.

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Like, Oh yeah, might have one of
the two of them.

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That's what I'm doing.
Yeah.

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That's just like straight up, I
would probably be going to

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whatever department I need to go
to.

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So log that as an.
HR HR one who said it probably.

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Yeah, yeah.
Mentor, can you read that to me

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again?
Yeah, yes, genuinely the head of

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secondary, what's your agenda in
telling people you're mixed

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race?
Don't say that.

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It confuses them.
There's so much to unpick there.

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Number one, the fact it's
assumed as an agenda to talk

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about literally who you are.
Yeah.

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And secondly that it would
confuse.

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Children.
Yeah.

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What's confusing?
About it, Yeah, and it's not,

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But even if it was confusing.
So yeah.

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Talk about it I.
Don't know, that one's weird.

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I I I'm literally not going to
give that a flag because I think

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that.
I just think that's disgusting.

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But someone could even say that
to another human being almost

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out of the context of school.
Really.

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I'm like, what are you talking
about?

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Yeah.
Literally.

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Who do you think you are?
Like, yeah, why are you talking

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to me like that?
Yeah.

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It's it's separate to like, oh,
how are school functions?

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Oh, gosh, we got deep here.
Yeah.

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Christ, yeah, that's that's just
literally disgusting.

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Yeah, yeah.
So with that, I'm not going to

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00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,560
add any more to that.
No, I'll move on to another one.

454
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,240
I was told by senior management
if I fall I'll again on Friday.

455
00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,560
My leave will reflect 3 days
Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

456
00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:33,360
Oh my God, I when you started
reading that, I thought to

457
00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,920
myself, Oh, it'll be one of
those things where if I'm in on

458
00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,360
the Friday again, I'll be put
into a disciplinary I'll be

459
00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,400
dragging to a meeting because
isn't it convenient?

460
00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,120
They always, always ill on a
Friday, a long weekend.

461
00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,280
And I was ready to be like, oh,
red flag.

462
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,160
If you're if, if you are like, I
don't understand.

463
00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,280
Does this mean?
That your leave or your leave

464
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,800
will reflect 3 days.
Yeah, like is that like, oh, and

465
00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,240
you only get 5 days before we
start the procedure of

466
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,520
disciplinary or, or we dock you
this amount of pay like because

467
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,760
any certain amount of pay, you
get paid sick pay, you get

468
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,400
actual paid, isn't it?
And then after a certain amount

469
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,560
of time you have to go into like
like nothing or even stacked

470
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,280
down.
Like there's there's basically

471
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,680
level, there's levels after a
certain amount of time,

472
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,720
obviously you'd get less money.
So basically this person saying

473
00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,880
I'm going to count Saturday and
Sunday as sick days.

474
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,960
Sorry, sorry, I forgot Saturday
and Sunday was a work day.

475
00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,520
Are you insane?
Like it sounds to me right.

476
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,200
Some of these we had a comment
basically as well.

477
00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,480
This is interesting.
Some of these we talked about

478
00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,240
the last couple like people are
like a bunch of these comments

479
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,960
are just against employment law.
Like, it's literally illegal.

480
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,160
That's what I'm thinking with
this one.

481
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,360
That's almost.
That's what I think with that.

482
00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,240
I'm like, oh, that this sounds
literally illegal to do.

483
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,720
Yeah.
Is it a red flag when schools

484
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,640
ignore it, like basic human
rights and employment law?

485
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,240
That kind of always, really.
Right.

486
00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,240
Is it a red flag or does that
trivialise it?

487
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,640
Is it just a actually?
This isn't like a red flag.

488
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,440
This is Oh my bloody displays A
toothy it's it's like you

489
00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,600
fundamentally can't do that to
another human being, and you are

490
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,240
honestly a piece of.
Work.

491
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,880
Yeah, you're that's the you're
abusing your power there.

492
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,200
You're abusing the law, you're
abusing your power.

493
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,440
Yeah, well, mad madness.
So hopefully you guys are

494
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,320
shocked as we read a couple so
far and we were just gobsmacked.

495
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,920
This next one was one I've never
seen before, and I and I thought

496
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,600
of you actually when I read this
genuinely and, and me as well.

497
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,440
But like I I know what you're
like with the kids.

498
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,360
After I left a school, they put
in a rule that you were not

499
00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,160
allowed to use any terms of
endearment or nicknames for

500
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,240
students and members of staff
were meant to report others to

501
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,160
HR if they heard them doing it.
No, I'd be screwed at this

502
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,920
school for context, I think.
How dare you show some niceness

503
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,320
and kindness and endearment to
the children.

504
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,760
I would say by the end of the
year, 100% of the children in my

505
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,000
class had we have some sort of
nickname or silly thing between

506
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,520
us.
Just some endearing thing

507
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:46,800
between US and usually a
nickname.

508
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,840
No, I don't think so anymore.
You can't possibly do that.

509
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,880
That's unprofessional.
By the way, you wearing laces.

510
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,760
You wearing laces whilst you're
doing a tamer endearment to the

511
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,160
children.
Yeah, yeah, I am sorry.

512
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,400
I have to leave this school,
aren't I?

513
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,840
I had a child once who like all
year round came into school with

514
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,120
like a beanie, like a big
beanie, no matter if it was hot

515
00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:09,360
or cold, just had this beanie on
and it was like a big wide one,

516
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,480
big chunky one like that.
Just like just think of like a

517
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,080
winter's hat, standard winter's
hat.

518
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,080
And so I started calling them
mush.

519
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,680
You get the link at all?
No, no.

520
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,920
I know that nickname, but I
don't.

521
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,960
Know what no mush mush means?
Like mate, it's like a thing,

522
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,080
right?
Yeah, but I call him mush

523
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,000
because the joke was it looked
like a mushroom.

524
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,400
So like Toad?
OK.

525
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,760
There's like Toad for Mario
where like it just like give out

526
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,880
this like like Toadstool thing.
So you made it more abstract.

527
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:30,600
You didn't call Mush?
Yeah.

528
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,200
No, I call him Mushroom for a
while.

529
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,360
Is that right?
Mushroom like that.

530
00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:34,520
And he, he found it really
funny.

531
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,520
And it was in there and it was
nice.

532
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,760
It was funny.
And then the next day he'd come

533
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,320
in and be like, mushroom.
Yeah.

534
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,360
And then he went to Shrew, went
to Mush.

535
00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:41,720
Like we just, we played around
with it.

536
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,320
Yeah.
It's just fun.

537
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,120
Like, in what world?
Really like.

538
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,360
You're bullying my child.
Yeah, Yeah.

539
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,360
Yeah, like, like am I?
Yeah, I know.

540
00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,600
And it's just like, I get it.
Because I reckon there are

541
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,240
definitely times where teachers
say something genuinely with no,

542
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,280
I'll intention whatsoever, but
that might be taken the wrong

543
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,840
way by a child.
Like maybe that child really

544
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,720
loved that hat and felt hurt
that I, I, I said such a thing.

545
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,520
I'd like to think that I
wouldn't have done that if I

546
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,680
knew that child would react in
that way.

547
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,640
That's the thing, isn't it?
Is, is knowing the children.

548
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,960
Yeah.
And do you know what?

549
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960
In that school, probably that's
exactly what happened.

550
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,360
I bet you in that school,
someone had an innovative kid

551
00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,280
and they were just being silly.
They were maybe being sarcastic,

552
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,760
doing jokes they normally do
with all the kids.

553
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,240
But this particular kid, they
just went a bit too far and they

554
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,000
got offended by it and they
didn't like it.

555
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,080
And maybe a parent's coming to
the plane, they said, well, the

556
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,240
teacher said this, they didn't
really like it.

557
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,320
They want to come to school the
next day.

558
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,000
So the so the school has just
gone a bit like, OK, over the

559
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,520
top.
And they said, right, we're no

560
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,640
longer allowed to do this.
So you we can see the thought

561
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:32,280
trend.
Exactly.

562
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,560
Yeah.
So to me, to me, that's a yellow

563
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,080
flag, right.
With the with the idea that I'd

564
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,880
like to think that I could just
talk to that the SLT and just

565
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,960
get behind us to what what's
happened to make them want to do

566
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,480
this and maybe they maybe they
give me a really good reason I'm

567
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,840
like you know what yeah OK for
the for the year we'd actually

568
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,960
just need to really think about
this I.

569
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,680
Think it's a really good way of
thinking about it because I

570
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,120
think you can conflate sometimes
your intentions and how you do

571
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,680
stuff with like you do sometimes
need to think of the widest

572
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,560
impact and like rules as a whole
just to avoid this problem.

573
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,880
Yeah, if SLT and school had run
into this problem a few times,

574
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,160
maybe they're just like, do you
know what?

575
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,520
Let's just get rid of that to
avoid it.

576
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,480
It's a shame.
I think 'cause it's a nice part

577
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,120
of, I think the relationship you
can build.

578
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,440
But yeah, okay, let's call it I
want a yellow flag.

579
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,760
I'm with you on that.
Nice one, next one having to

580
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,680
throw the crusts from loaves of
bread which students wouldn't

581
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,760
eat into the bin rather than let
starve eat them at breakfast

582
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,680
Club.
SLT actually came and checked it

583
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,560
had been done.
What is this thing with checking

584
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,040
bins?
Yeah, I know 2 now.

585
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,640
Who's got time to go and check
bins to make sure small rules

586
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,000
are there for I know.
Can you imagine?

587
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,840
So let me just let me just
explained this so I know I

588
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,920
understand this correctly.
There are people running

589
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,440
breakfast club.
Some kids say, oh, I have that,

590
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,800
but I don't want the crust.
They don't want the end.

591
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,400
They don't want the end of the
bread, the end of the loaves,

592
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,040
right.
OK, so you think, OK, cool.

593
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,440
So instead of throwing it away,
a teacher goes, oh, I'll just

594
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,920
have some butter right now and
maybe make a lot of thing toast

595
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,640
it.
And the school is saying no and

596
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,920
I will.
Check has to go in the bin.

597
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,920
Why?
I don't know.

598
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,120
I don't know.
That's the one I can't think

599
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:53,280
about.
I'm trying to think about like,

600
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,320
is it some sort of the schools
bought it so we can't just let

601
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,280
some staff take advantage of
eating a bit of bread?

602
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,080
What I don't know.
I literally I can't.

603
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,560
Imagine another teacher going
just.

604
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,560
You use me?
I didn't get any breads.

605
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,280
I didn't get any bloody bread.
I get it.

606
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,680
Give me my crust.
We have to split it 32 ways.

607
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,840
Thank you very much.
He was throw away.

608
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,360
You haven't considered.
What if the schools run by

609
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,360
ducks?
Yeah, because sometimes you've

610
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,000
got to think outside the box.
It's.

611
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880
Actually, HR is just a Mallard,
right in human clothing.

612
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,360
No one's worked out yet.
No one's worked out what's going

613
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:28,040
on, but it just comes like a.
Bin and they happen to be the

614
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,680
person clearing the bins at the
end of each day.

615
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,480
And I happen to have not seen
that bread end up anywhere else

616
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,760
afterwards.
So I do wonder what's happening.

617
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,240
Yeah, that's that's madness.
Shouldn't feed ducks bread bad

618
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,200
for the stomach is it?
They bloody love it, but it's

619
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,360
bad for him so that that HR No,
no, is it silly?

620
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:44,960
Just twist and twisted this
story.

621
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,000
Isn't there?
You know, right?

622
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,960
Maybe that's why the ducks found
out.

623
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,240
It's bad for the tummy.
They say.

624
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,800
No, no, you can't eat it.
It's bad for your stomach.

625
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,320
Throw it away.
Yeah, throw it away.

626
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,560
I know.
I've been affected.

627
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,880
My previous job when I was pond
supervisor, yeah, all the spare

628
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,920
bread that was left behind and
my tummy was a wreck.

629
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,240
You guys like realise what I'm
doing You a solid here You got

630
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,480
Oh my God.
But in all seriousness, back to

631
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,320
reality is that it's either a
yellow or red.

632
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,040
I don't know.
I mean, look, it's probably a

633
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,800
yellow again, like where it's
like, okay, it's not.

634
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,720
Really impact my.
Job.

635
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,560
But I think what it does do is
sometimes these yellow flags,

636
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,960
again, if they build up, like 2
yellows make a red, everyone

637
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,480
knows that if these yellows
build up, to me it's indicative

638
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,960
of, of a way of treating your
staff.

639
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,480
Exactly.
Yeah.

640
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,720
That's.
So it's like, OK, what else do

641
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,880
they do?
That's what I'd be thinking.

642
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,280
Like if you're that like, you
know, reductive on, I'm sorry,

643
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,360
prescriptive on like what you've
got to do in that respect.

644
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,040
Yeah.
I can only imagine what your

645
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,480
lesson planning is.
Exactly it, isn't it?

646
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,360
And red flags are just more
severe, right?

647
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:42,120
Exactly.
Yeah.

648
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,840
Very, very good one.
So yeah, over to you though.

649
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,560
Right next one spending hours
making sure each PowerPoint is

650
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,960
identical with consistency
between year groups.

651
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Is there any evidence to show
that every year sits kids sees a

652
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,200
PowerPoint, a different colour
or font than a Year 5?

653
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,720
His learning will be affected?
Is there any evidence?

654
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,560
No, but can I use work it out of
common sense?

655
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,960
Yes, and the answer is no, it
won't make a difference.

656
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,400
It won't make any difference
whatsoever.

657
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,520
It's madness.
Like, did you write this in?

658
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,840
Yeah, I know this is insane and
we had someone reply which was

659
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,520
my exact thought process.
Hold on.

660
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,360
So someone replied to that
saying we had to spend our own

661
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:20,200
time transferring our lessons
already completed into the new

662
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800
format.
The only difference was a logo

663
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,840
and a different font, and most
Sen kids struggled to read that.

664
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,400
Font.
Oh my God.

665
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,280
Let me guess, it was a cursive.
Font potentially joined up font

666
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,160
insane because it's just a
classic example of to me that is

667
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,720
a red flag by the way.
And I I can even still think of

668
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,280
the thought processes down.
Honestly, I really can because I

669
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,400
understand why consistency might
be seen as a really powerful

670
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,720
thing from the top because you
want to drag people up who you

671
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,360
might not trust as much.
And you say, well, OK, look, if

672
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,840
everyone's just at least at this
baseline that's going to be

673
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,080
better for my team, I can
understand.

674
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,360
I can understand why someone
says, OK, this background colour

675
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,600
is better than neon pink, right?
OK, of course it is.

676
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,120
Or this font is better than, you
know, dingbat, dingbat.

677
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,280
I've got a picture of a bird
instead of an A.

678
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,160
That's clearly bad.
OK, But but like being so

679
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,920
prescriptive the other way I
think is so bad and such a waste

680
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,400
of time.
And like this person explained,

681
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480
when the genuine only difference
you're asking your staff to do

682
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,000
is to copy things that already
exist and are already good

683
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,480
lessons because they already
have the pedagogy built into

684
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,400
them, where there is some
retrieval and some paired

685
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,000
practise and some and some
independent tasks and some

686
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,040
teacher talk.
And I do.

687
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,920
We do, you do.
But it just doesn't have it

688
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,840
labelled in the corner or it
just doesn't have the school

689
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,160
logo in the top right.
Who cares?

690
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,760
Like that's so low.
Stakes.

691
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,360
To me, it's the yellow flag
because I think if I was in the

692
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,280
school that did that, and I
think it's quite normal, by the

693
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,920
way, like I've worked in schools
that have done that, I would be

694
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,680
annoyed about it, but get over
it and I just do it.

695
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,120
But and I and I and I just think
it's a massive over.

696
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,640
So I think SLT have put put more
importance on something that

697
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,520
they think is important because
I'm not maybe in front of the

698
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,400
class or whatever.
And actually in reality it's

699
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,440
just not important and there's
just not been a discourse about

700
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,360
it.
So yellow flag to me, not a red

701
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,600
but it would annoy me a lot
because it's a waste of my time.

702
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,640
Yeah, completely.
And there's, there's also this

703
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,040
embedded idea, I think that runs
from this a lot of these red

704
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,040
flags.
I guess my mind is going to what

705
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,960
does it mean as a wider context?
It feels to me as if in that

706
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,520
case, it's also like, Oh well,
we've already got all the

707
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,800
lessons.
They're already, they're already

708
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,840
good, but we can't possibly have
teachers not do any planning all

709
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,120
year.
My gosh, we need to use that

710
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:23,000
time, maybe something.
And it's like this idea that we

711
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,560
couldn't possibly just pick up
lessons we've got from last year

712
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,920
is, I think an inherent trait in
a lot of red flag schools where

713
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,240
it's like, no, no, no, that's
automatically bad.

714
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,480
No, it's not.
If the lesson is good and all

715
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,960
you want them to do is put on a
logo, you've just got to ask

716
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,400
yourself like is that a good use
of my professionals time?

717
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,880
Yeah, no, it's a very indicative
of a of a wider cultural

718
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,760
problems in the school, which is
why I can understand you're

719
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,120
thinking red flag because it's
very, it's a huge hint.

720
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,520
Sure, you're like this one then.
You can't drink cups of tea in a

721
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,280
staff meeting in case it
disturbs the headteacher from

722
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,520
what they're saying.
No, that's.

723
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,600
No real someone's written in.
They must, they must work with

724
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,720
you.
Thinking about it, has anyone

725
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,160
listened to this Heard Hayden
drink?

726
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,440
I think they might have because
whenever you drink the whole

727
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,600
street hears it mate.
Yeah, that head teacher actually

728
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,800
has got a policy against me
drinking in any other school in

729
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,720
the area because I.
Actually, I actually genuinely

730
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,520
think you should drink some of
that drink right now on this

731
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,160
podcast.
Drink it.

732
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,120
Go on.
OK, Go and have a drink.

733
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:15,760
It didn't take much, so Hayden's
gonna drink now.

734
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,160
Wait.
Listen, why are you so loud?

735
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,360
I think that was really quiet.
You are so loud and you it's

736
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,200
hilarious.
I've heard your daughter drink.

737
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,960
Your daughters not even 2 and
she drinks as loud as you do and

738
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,720
it's cute and endearing when
it's your daughter.

739
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,880
Where's a 33 year old man so
opposite me?

740
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,520
I can hear the the the water
squelched down as oesophagus.

741
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,400
Absolutely, she.
River the I don't.

742
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,800
She's picked this up clearly
from me.

743
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,120
My child.
My river is my child.

744
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,280
When she finishes a river
because it sounds the same.

745
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,280
It's true.
A river, the flow of a river,

746
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,800
the flow of a river in my mouth
is just What should I call my

747
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,600
child?
Really inspired by listening to

748
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,720
myself dream.
Yeah, yeah.

749
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,640
That's so funny.
Oh great.

750
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,520
What's your next time we call
Stream come a little drop?

751
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,160
Probably rather annoying thing I
do.

752
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,520
Come a little squelch, Scrouch.
Normalise naming your kid after

753
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,920
how you drink.
Oh brilliant, thanks for really

754
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,280
my story.
So she when she finishes drink,

755
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,800
she goes.
Oh, she's got that.

756
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,960
From you and I'm like, we've
never taught her to do that

757
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360
obviously because I'd be mad.
But she's clearly, I clearly

758
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,360
just make noises and she's
picked it up.

759
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,680
Oh.
It's so cute though, so it's.

760
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Cute when it's.
So that's a neutral is it then?

761
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,640
Not a red flag at.
All Well, listen.

762
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,360
OK, here it is.
If it's a school of Hayden and

763
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,880
Green flag, my goodness me.
I can't hear myself stink when I

764
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,720
see Hayden coming with a drink.
I'm like, oh, here we go.

765
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Yeah, normally have to listen to
a bloody thing or session.

766
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,240
OK, seriously.
Yeah.

767
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,160
Honestly, red flag.
Is it?

768
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,280
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, again, again, we're

769
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,560
saying we're allowing some red
flags.

770
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,760
It's not a red roundabout.
It's a, it's a red flag, True.

771
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,960
It's a red flag if I'm just
like, if you think that you can

772
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,560
tell someone to not drink a cup
of tea in a staff meeting.

773
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,240
That's true.
Actually, it is genuinely.

774
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Now you put it like that, I was
purely thinking about the idea

775
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,920
that it's distracting, but
actually the very concept of

776
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560
saying you can't have a drink
for any reason because.

777
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Of that and it's like they're
not close.

778
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,840
They're not close to being worth
the balance.

779
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,280
Like telling someone they can't
have a drink in a staff meeting

780
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,880
is not worth that.
You might be distracted every

781
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680
now and then.
Get over it, if if a sip of tea

782
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,480
is distracting you that much,
that's your problem.

783
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,600
I even had to reread it then
just double check it didn't say

784
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,720
like you can't make a cup of tea
'cause I'm like OK maybe that

785
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,520
will be distracting.
Literally drink.

786
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,280
You can't drink cups of tea.
We've.

787
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Had it before in staff rooms
that have like a blender like

788
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,200
like like a bullet thing and
he's like alright, like someone

789
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,440
else in the corners of the
printing.

790
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,360
I was like.
What do you think about that?

791
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,760
Because our school had it was
very unofficial policy, but I

792
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,520
guess it was just politeness
that that our printer was in the

793
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,560
room where we'd have our little
morning staff meetings.

794
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,400
And it was very much like a if
you were printing someone that

795
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,160
probably had teacher would be
like, can you just pause that

796
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,600
for a minute?
I'm not talking, that's all.

797
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,800
Right.
Completely fine.

798
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,000
Yeah, because, because at that
point it's like drinking a whole

799
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,080
cup of tea is not a consistent
wearing mechanical noise.

800
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,560
Like at most it's just someone.
Yeah, or for me.

801
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Yeah, we've established if it's
you, it's a different kind of

802
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,760
fish.
I reckon it didn't even pick up

803
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,480
on the microphone.
It might not have such quite.

804
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,960
That's a good point.
I wonder if it did.

805
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520
If it didn't, if it didn't, you
will know because I will have

806
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,280
edited in the most natural force
on Yeah, yeah, I would have.

807
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,640
It would have been fake, so
don't worry.

808
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,160
Whereas if you did, that's also
funny because at this point, you

809
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,840
know, oh, that wasn't fake.
I highly sensitive microphones

810
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,120
by the way, shouldn't pick that
up with someone drinking.

811
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,920
Oh my.
Oh my gosh, that's on to

812
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,320
another.
So where are you putting that?

813
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,600
Sorry, do you agree?
With me, yeah, I agree with you,

814
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,040
OK.
Cool.

815
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,240
This one was crazy.
This was from a leader.

816
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,960
I I quite enjoyed the fact that
a leader got in touch as well

817
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,480
because you know, we talked
about we can get into the whole

818
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,280
thing, US versus you.
It's not like that at all.

819
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,920
It's it's non-toxic people
versus toxic people.

820
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,960
And this sums up someone got
told you are SLT.

821
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,440
You are literally paid not to
have a lunch break.

822
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,760
You're often here at 8:05
implying that I'm late and an

823
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,080
interview.
I was told it's an 830 start.

824
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,480
Oh my, that.
So before you, before you tell

825
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,520
me what flag you think it is,
that really stuck with me.

826
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,000
And I thought, well, you've got
to put that in there because

827
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,800
when you go to the leadership
scale, the directed time

828
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,160
argument goes out the window.
Leadership is not covered by

829
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,720
directed time.
So when as a teacher or you're

830
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,320
not on the leadership scale, you
can say, look, guys, I've looked

831
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,640
into this.
Directed time is 1265 hours.

832
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,960
You're asking me to do much.
I'm going to refuse.

833
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,160
It's all fair game.
Yeah.

834
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,280
As soon as you step into that
leadership role, which I've

835
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,680
heard a lot of people have been
like, given the lowest possible

836
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,360
leadership range you can get,
right.

837
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,880
But then they've lost.
But then they've lost all

838
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,280
autonomy.
And then they end up putting 10

839
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,560
extra hours in a week.
Yeah.

840
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,280
And this is where leaders are
completely taken advantage of in

841
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,360
toxic schools.
And it's it can affect everyone.

842
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,240
That's the point.
Yeah.

843
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Yeah.
To me, just the very the time

844
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,640
management thing, that eight O 5
thing, that alone is a red flag

845
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520
to me in all white concepts,
even just like taken out of this

846
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,080
at any any school where the
leaders are like really clock

847
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,720
watching when you get in and
when you leave, particularly

848
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,240
when they are just completely
reasonable times like getting an

849
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,640
8 O 5 is completely reasonable
and leaving at 4 O clock is

850
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,320
completely reasonable.
That's something I often see.

851
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,840
Oh, they left.
They left by 4, left by 40.

852
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,800
But black mark in the book, you
know what I mean?

853
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,800
That alone makes it a red flag.
So to me, that whole thing is

854
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,720
like, yeah, red flag.
If I worked in school that did

855
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,680
that, I would be really
genuinely considering.

856
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,720
If there were other red flags,
I'd be really thinking about

857
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,520
looking for jobs elsewhere.
We had we had another comment

858
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,080
from someone similar talking
about the time thing because and

859
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,840
this, this I think this
transcends leadership.

860
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,880
The problem is with leaders, you
can say to them like, well,

861
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,640
you're not on this time thing
anymore, just get in.

862
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,240
Yeah, yeah, of course.
But even with with teachers

863
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,040
before there was one, one person
mentioned how so their contract

864
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
starts at half 8, but they
normally get in at like 8:10,

865
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,680
right?
And the same day they're going

866
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,440
at 8:10 and they got their stuff
ready.

867
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,080
They went off to the toilet and
at 7:30 their line manager came

868
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,880
round to talk to them and they
weren't there.

869
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,360
They're in the toilet.
So my manager went away, person

870
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,800
came back, blah, blah, blah.
Line manager comes back later

871
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,880
and says, where were you 730?
Why weren't you in?

872
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,720
And she's like, oh, I was, I
was, I got in the 10 past.

873
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,400
I was just in the toilet and
then the line manager said to

874
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,240
her, OK, cool.
Well, next time make sure you go

875
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,800
to the toilet before so that
you're in this room at 7:30 so I

876
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,840
can come and speak to you if I
need to.

877
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,600
Yeah.
I just don't know any words

878
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,000
almost like for that, like we
all, we're all thinking the same

879
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600
thing.
I went to the toilet, you idiot.

880
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,719
Yeah, I did need to weave.
I want to talk to you at 7:30,

881
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,320
so make sure you're in here.
If you need to go to the toilet,

882
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,920
go before 7:30 please.
Sorry am IA child.

883
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

884
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,880
Which I also by the way I was
going.

885
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,199
To say the fact that we already
defend, like not doing that as

886
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,040
kids because it's patronising
and ridiculous and it's just a

887
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,159
bodily function, doing it to an
adult as well, yeah, God, just

888
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,199
get into bin insane.
Some people just need to pick

889
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,280
themselves up.
Completely insane.

890
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Just touching back on them just
to finish off that with a

891
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,800
leader, I do really think
there's a lot of there's a lot

892
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,000
of that that going on where
leaders are so taken advantage

893
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,639
of by by like another level
above and another level above

894
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,560
where it's like, well, actually,
you know, you need to put the

895
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,920
work in here.
You're on the leadership scale.

896
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,760
Imagine.
He just didn't have directed

897
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
time.
It's already abused even with

898
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,800
the system.
And then leadership by

899
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,960
definition should really have
more on their plate, right?

900
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,080
That's part of the job, right?
You're on a higher pay scale cuz

901
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,920
even if you have more on your
plate, you got a lot more

902
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,120
resting on you.
Like it's your responsibility

903
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,360
that that should be protected
even more.

904
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,880
I think like, do we do we want
ridiculously burnout leaders?

905
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,120
For yeah, don't get a lunch
break now, yeah.

906
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,720
You're literally paid to have a
lunch break.

907
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,160
I think that's probably going
back into the employment law

908
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,000
thing we talked about.
Yeah.

909
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,320
I don't think there's any amount
of work or job that you can

910
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,840
accept that means you don't get
a lunch break.

911
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,440
Yeah.
That sounds like a union issue

912
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,920
to me.
Read Roundabout May.

913
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,360
Yeah.
Because I'm pretty sure, and we

914
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,760
can look this up more, it's not
about not having a lunch break

915
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,160
at all.
It's about the flexibility of

916
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,320
it.
You don't have a like a we have

917
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,160
a guaranteed hour, Sure.
That is our directed directed

918
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,280
lunch break in school.
I'm pretty sure of SLT, it's

919
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,040
just more of a take it when you
want sort of thing.

920
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,520
Yeah.
Not that you can't have lunch at

921
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,880
all.
Yeah, a lot of leaders in our

922
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,200
schools that we've worked at
brilliant schools would, would

923
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,960
take their lunch break maybe
like 1 till two, yeah, or even 1

924
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,040
till half one, have a short
lunch break because it's like or

925
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,800
even this.
Works.

926
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,640
Yeah, exactly.
They want to.

927
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're right.

928
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,080
It's flexibility.
Doesn't mean you don't get a

929
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,600
lunch break.
If you're a leader out there and

930
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,880
someone is gaslighting you into
thinking you are being paid to

931
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,800
not have a lunch break, that is
absolutely not what you are

932
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,880
being paid to do.
Complete nonsense back where you

933
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,240
putting that?
I think maybe, I think maybe red

934
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:07,880
roundabout because this person
said they quit, by the way.

935
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Yeah, when you combine the two
things, because it was already a

936
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,120
red flag just at the time
watching things for me with the

937
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,000
with there being gaslight into
thing, you can't have lunch.

938
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,200
Because you're a leader.
Nah, yeah, that's that's red

939
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,080
roundabout.
I'm out of there.

940
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,480
No way.
Right.

941
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,440
Different one.
Staff were not allowed to

942
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,920
socialise with one another
outside of school unless they

943
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,840
invited all the other members of
staff.

944
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,960
This old chestnut.
This comes up so often.

945
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,080
This comes up so often.
I tell you what.

946
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,720
What's making you ponder?
It's making me ponder because I

947
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,480
think this is one example where
I do really genuinely understand

948
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,840
the train of thought that's gone
into this, right.

949
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,840
I don't necessarily agree with
the outcome.

950
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,200
I still think it does dip into
red flag territory, OK, because

951
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,320
I don't think at any point you
should be able to dictate what

952
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,560
people do in their social lives.
I agree.

953
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Yeah.
But all I'm going to say this is

954
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,840
I do understand because this
often comes from there are

955
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,680
situations where schools are
quite clicky.

956
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,200
You've got your group of mates,
the click can be quite big and

957
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,600
there can be some people who do
feel marginalised to do feel

958
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,320
excluded, left out, Yeah, do
feel left out and maybe are left

959
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,000
out of certain events.
I just think that's life.

960
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,720
I just think you get on with it.
I think, yeah, you know, it's

961
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,800
not nice.
It's obviously not nice.

962
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,240
I'm not saying it's acceptable
even.

963
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Maybe you have a word.
And do you know what you do in

964
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,360
that situation?
Really.

965
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,040
If I was a leader in that
situation, do you know what I'd

966
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,640
do?
I'd think, OK, how can I solve

967
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,960
this?
I can either just put a

968
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,080
draconian rule down where I try
and control the lives of my

969
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,840
teachers outside of school,
which won't work, which won't

970
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,560
work and it's just stupid.
And what you're going to do?

971
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Chase me up because I had had
dinner with a few mates from

972
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,520
school and not everyone legally
can't.

973
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,480
So yeah.
Or do I think I'll do?

974
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Obviously people can do what
they want, They're grown adults.

975
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,200
What I'll do is I'll just set
up, you know, terminally event

976
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,200
that's not just fire.
Fire the people that are in the

977
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,160
pic.
That's even my no.

978
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,680
That's a red, that's a red round
map.

979
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,320
What I'd say is, you know, just
just organise like an event for

980
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,960
the school, like, you know, at
the end of the term one just to

981
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,440
have like, hello everyone, I'm,
I'm organising this.

982
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
It's a work event, everyone's
invited come along and just I'd

983
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520
give opportunities for that to
happen still outside of it.

984
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,880
But I don't think you can go
around telling people to spend

985
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,480
their free time.
No, I don't think so at all.

986
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,040
I mean, there's, we've had a lot
of conversations about that

987
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960
line, yeah, before about like
what, what should a school

988
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,600
leader should be able to tell
their staff, like what they can

989
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,960
do outside?
Well, you went Nando's with

990
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,560
these five people.
You need to go these eight

991
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,960
people.
Yeah, like there's another one,

992
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,720
you know, I won't bother finding
because I can remember it now.

993
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,400
But it was about, it was the
same sort of thing.

994
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,160
And it was basically saying, oh,
we're not allowed to be seen

995
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,080
like drinking beer outside of
school or in a pub.

996
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,600
Like, like at all outside of
school, not even like just at

997
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,680
all.
Just point blank, that's not

998
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,560
allowed to go.
That was the rule.

999
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,720
You're literally not allowed to
be seen in a pub drinking beer

1000
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,960
because it looks unprofessional.
OK.

1001
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,000
We need, we do need a new, a new
like kind of category here,

1002
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,600
don't we?
Which is just like illegal.

1003
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,440
Yeah, yeah, you can't do that.
Yeah, yeah.

1004
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,520
If someone said that to me, I'd.
I'd laugh, yeah.

1005
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,120
And then when I realised they're
being serious, I'd go OK, I am

1006
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,200
going to the pub though.
Yeah, yeah, so and.

1007
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,800
To protest, I'd start drinking
in school, right?

1008
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,760
Is that what you do?
That's the only way to go about

1009
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,000
it, I think.
It's only reasonable thing to

1010
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000
do, actually.
Yeah.

1011
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,480
Gin and tonic in the morning.
So what's that just?

1012
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,920
No, yeah, no, no, sorry.
No food in the staff room.

1013
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,160
There's him about Gin.
It's.

1014
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,000
Down in the bottle checking my
bins for these cans.

1015
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Are you Mr Duck?
Right.

1016
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,680
There's bread in the bin, that's
unacceptable.

1017
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Bottle tops.
Fine, well done.

1018
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,840
That's where they're going.
It's great.

1019
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,720
Yeah.
I just think, I just think you

1020
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,680
cannot dictate to people what
they're doing in their own

1021
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,600
social life.
I think there's ways around

1022
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,720
that.
If someone said to me you can't

1023
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,040
socialise with people from work
unless you invite everyone all

1024
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,200
of the time, I think I would
just, I'd just carry on doing it

1025
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,600
and then maybe it would become a
red roundabout issue.

1026
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,880
But to me it's just like, that's
a red flag.

1027
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,880
Yeah, maybe it's a red flag and
it's a red roundabout when they

1028
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,120
then try and actually pull you
up on it.

1029
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,480
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.

1030
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,520
Yeah, that's a discipline.
Your action for the weekend.

1031
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,240
I see.
Actually, you went on the Nando

1032
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,800
scale and you ordered an
exemplary, oh, sorry, I mean, I

1033
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,000
mean an extra hot.
Oh man, this is just like, I

1034
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,680
feel like we're losing our minds
with these because they're just

1035
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,880
so mad A. 100% absolutely crazy
right now.

1036
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,760
This one actually came up a few
times.

1037
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,040
So I'm very interested in this.
And I think it's more it it's

1038
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,000
more of a widespread issue.
Just some of the things we've

1039
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,640
talked about have been like,
this can only happen in one

1040
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,760
score.
And it's like, how on earth is

1041
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,480
this gonna?
This even had some reply saying

1042
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,960
isn't this normal?
And I was like, wow, surely not.

1043
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,520
So we were told that our
planning had to be handed in by

1044
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:18,760
Friday night and it was then
marked by SLT returned to us on

1045
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,200
a Sunday afternoon for us to
edit before lessons on Monday.

1046
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Oh, it's just so bad.
It's so bad.

1047
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,480
It's one of those things where I
was like, I just thought we

1048
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,560
weren't doing that anymore.
I just thought that was a thing

1049
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,960
that's gone like because it got
ridiculed 10 years ago and it

1050
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,480
was like, you can't do this.
What?

1051
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,520
It's OK, just and as if it's not
obvious.

1052
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Why is that just ridiculous?
Because we don't work at the

1053
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,040
weekends, we work voluntarily at
the weekends a lot.

1054
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,760
Unfortunately, we talk about the
system that kind of forces that

1055
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,680
pressure on us.
But to outwardly, outwardly

1056
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,720
acknowledge as SLT that, oh, I
am giving you that.

1057
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,640
I am directing you to do some
work on a Saturday or a Sunday.

1058
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,120
No, no, specifically a Sunday
evening.

1059
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,080
A Sunday because.
You get it.

1060
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,760
You get it back in Sunday
afternoon and you've got to make

1061
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,800
changes by Monday.
Yeah, you're basically saying

1062
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,840
I've added a shift.
Yeah, Director time now, Sunday

1063
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,080
evenings.
You've got to look through this.

1064
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,880
Don't worry, though, some of you
might not have to change much.

1065
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,720
Yeah, I've still got to look.
Even if I've changed nothing,

1066
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,080
you're still expecting me to be
free enough to look at my e-mail

1067
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,840
and check it.
Yeah, it's not accept.

1068
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,680
It's just so ridiculously
unacceptable.

1069
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,080
I can't believe schools are even
getting away with it.

1070
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,760
And you said people.
Commented saying it's normal.

1071
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,240
I saw one comment which said
isn't this normal practise?

1072
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,320
I've been retired for a while,
but this is what we did all the

1073
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,720
time.
Just just no, no, I'm I'm

1074
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:33,120
shocked that I, I don't know.
I can't speak for 20 years ago.

1075
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,080
Do you know what I mean?
I don't know, but it is absolute

1076
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,680
madness.
That is that is for me.

1077
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,280
Maybe it's because I personally
hate that thing happening so

1078
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,720
much.
That's a red roundabout to me.

1079
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:44,440
No, I would, I would like, I
would literally be like change

1080
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,800
it or I'm quitting tomorrow.
Here's my notice.

1081
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,360
Genuinely now, like I'm not
working in school like that.

1082
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,960
I love how seriously we're using
Red Roundabout.

1083
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,840
I know it doesn't mean I'm
sorry, Sir.

1084
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,040
This is a red roundabout to me.
Sorry.

1085
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,400
What do you mean what?
Do you what you talking about?

1086
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,360
Oh, it's a TGAP podcast.
I thought it was a normal term.

1087
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,800
Yeah.
Someone's going to start using

1088
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,680
this.
They could use it and people

1089
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,560
won't know what you're talking
about.

1090
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,080
You could say to SL TS face a
bit of a red roundabout and

1091
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,480
they'll.
Be like what they'll be like.

1092
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good banter.

1093
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,440
Not know what you're talking
about?

1094
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,400
I think right now if you're
listening on Spotify, you've got

1095
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,080
this far.
Can you just comment Red

1096
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,480
Roundabout down the bottom?
Just see how many comments we

1097
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,160
can get, let's say Red
Roundabout on the Spotify

1098
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,520
podcast.
I think you can kind of split

1099
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,680
this in half as well.
Like we talked about, you know,

1100
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,720
you can't direct staff to do
work at certain times outside of

1101
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,240
directed hours, right.
So by by definition,

1102
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,280
immediately, this is just
genuinely against the contract.

1103
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,040
It's ridiculous getting the bin.
I'm not doing that.

1104
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,320
Yeah.
If I've got something on a

1105
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,600
Sunday, I want to like, imagine,
imagine you booked like a

1106
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,400
concert or something and it's on
a Sunday.

1107
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,040
Yeah.
Oh, God, I've got bloody.

1108
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,320
I've got an e-mail here.
Yeah.

1109
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Sorry, Chris Martin.
Sorry, mate.

1110
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Wait.
Hold it, everyone.

1111
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Stop.
I've got to do my planning right

1112
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,400
now because I've just been not
directed.

1113
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,040
But you didn't know I'm a
teacher.

1114
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,440
I'm a teacher, everybody.
I work so hard.

1115
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040
I'm a teacher.
Shush, shush, Split.

1116
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,320
Thank you.
There.

1117
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,800
Oh, God.
I forgot to put my retrieval

1118
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
logo in the top right corner.
Better do that quickly, Right.

1119
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Cheers, mate.
Crack, crack on.

1120
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,240
Cheers.
Insane.

1121
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,080
So that's, that's one part of it
where I think complete red flag.

1122
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,800
Yeah.
The other part I'd be more

1123
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,280
interested maybe like is it a
bit more removed?

1124
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,560
It's a bit more towards being
acceptable, but still weird

1125
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,960
planning being marked like
planning, planning putting,

1126
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,440
being put in an area and then
assessed, let's say, for

1127
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,960
example, Right.
I just, I just changed this and

1128
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,920
it's put your planning on the
area for next week.

1129
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,480
Yeah, we'll look at it over the
next couple of days.

1130
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Before your PPA or something.
Yeah, and you'll get your PPA to

1131
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,120
make changes.
I mean, that feels more

1132
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,040
acceptable to me, but it's still
it still feels like a bit of a

1133
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,840
waste of an SL TS time.
I think so.

1134
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,880
That to me is more towards
neutral because I'm like, it's,

1135
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,000
it's all within the rules.
It's it's all with it like.

1136
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,480
But is it, is it in the rules to
be forced to put your planning

1137
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,200
up a week in advance?
Because my, my thing my what I

1138
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,480
would be saying there is like,
I've not done my planning yet.

1139
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,920
I've got my PPA.
My PPA is when I do my planning.

1140
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,920
You're right, actually the we
can advance, but I actually

1141
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,560
don't think you can enforce
that.

1142
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,600
Or maybe it's just a union
action, But I've heard lots of

1143
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520
times in my career that no one
can actually force you.

1144
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Yeah.
To share your planning.

1145
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Yeah.
Like obviously most people just

1146
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,640
do, but yeah.
But I don't know, maybe with

1147
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,680
SLT, maybe that's more of a you
can't, you don't have to share

1148
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,840
your planning with another
teacher, but with FSLT it's fine

1149
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,240
because you've.
Got PPA where you can make the

1150
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:10,240
changes.
Yeah, but mate, when do you

1151
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,000
think I'd do my planning?
Because I actually think that's

1152
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,200
mad, by the way, I've probably
one of the only things I've ever

1153
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,440
been maybe a bit more on the
other side of.

1154
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,360
I'm like, I think it's well
within schools rights to if they

1155
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,280
want to have a look at someone's
planning for that, for their

1156
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,520
lessons that can be taught in
their school, they should

1157
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,440
absolutely be able to have a
look if they want to.

1158
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how that's how I feel

1159
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,880
about it.
But yeah, demanding it a week in

1160
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,120
advance is a bit like, no, no,
because like quite often I, in

1161
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,480
fact, I never plan like that.
Some things I do, but a lot of

1162
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,800
lessons plus in maths and
English, I'll plan the week

1163
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,640
before, like right before, like
when I've got the most

1164
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,760
information I could possibly
have.

1165
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,520
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1166
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,040
And also and also maybe just
when I want to, because I've got

1167
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,640
the autonomy, yeah, I just want
to do it at that point.

1168
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,040
It works for me.
If I want to do it a Sunday

1169
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,840
night, yeah, then I will.
Yeah, completely.

1170
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,080
But no one's telling me to do
it.

1171
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,760
Completely I, I kind of want to
link some something to this,

1172
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,480
which was another thing someone
wrote in about PPA from home

1173
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,120
because it's kind of this idea
of like the top down, like on

1174
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,840
top of you making sure
everything's perfect and

1175
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,840
checking and checking.
Someone wrote in and said again,

1176
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:04,280
it's somewhere but I remember
it.

1177
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:10,160
It was they are allowed to take
PPA from home, but only if

1178
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,360
they've met the arbitrary line
of of confidence or of like what

1179
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,040
SLT deem as acceptable.
And if at any point they fall

1180
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,840
below that line or SLT feel like
they need support, their whole

1181
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,720
year group has to then have PPA
in school.

1182
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,880
So what ends up happening is
like you might be in a school

1183
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,400
where year one, year 2, year 4,
Year 5 have PPA from home, but

1184
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,560
year year 3 and year 6 don't
because SLT have deemed that

1185
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,680
they need support.
And then not only if they deemed

1186
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,920
they need support, therefore
can't take PPA from home,

1187
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,600
they're then saying during PPA
I'm going to come and have a

1188
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,520
meeting with you for half an
hour, for an hour and and to go

1189
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,560
through planning and and support
is what they say, but clearly

1190
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,480
directing their PPA.
And again, you can see their

1191
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,240
line of thought there of that
this they need support with the

1192
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:51,160
planning.
So we're going to put the

1193
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,240
support in and when obviously we
have, we can't support them at

1194
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,880
the weekend.
So we'll support them at school.

1195
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,760
And the best time to do that is
not when they're teaching.

1196
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,880
I can see the thought trainers
to how they've got to that.

1197
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,400
I had funny enough, I had, I
literally had a conversation

1198
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,000
with someone online like weeks
ago about a very, very similar

1199
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,320
situation of it was just one
particular number of staff

1200
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,760
wasn't allowed to take their PPA
from home, but others were for

1201
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,360
the exact same thing.
They didn't meet the arbitrary

1202
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,120
lines staff wanted, the school
wanted to check, well, they're

1203
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,080
planning.
And I was kind of having a mini

1204
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,800
debate with this person who was
pretty much defending SRT and

1205
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,960
saying, well, it's their
prerogative.

1206
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,280
They they can do it if they
want.

1207
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,560
I mean, I mean, to a degree it's
their prerogative because

1208
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,560
schools can decide whether to
have PPA from home or not.

1209
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,760
Yeah, it's the two tier thing.
But it's the two exactly that.

1210
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,320
It's the two tier thing.
I was like, is it fair to make

1211
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,280
someone feel like that like
that?

1212
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,840
They can't exercise their right
to PPA in the same way as other

1213
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,600
people in the school.
Like I don't think so.

1214
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,200
I think PPA is separate.
If you think you need to put

1215
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,400
support in for a member of
staff, I think that has to be

1216
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,800
separate to to the PPA is just
it's own thing.

1217
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,360
It's like everyone just gets it
no matter what.

1218
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,600
I'm not going to sit here and
say if you're a bad teacher, you

1219
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,440
don't get it or you don't get it
the same way.

1220
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,920
Yeah, exactly.
But if you're a good teacher,

1221
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,520
you do.
Like it's a reward because it

1222
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,960
links PPA with being a reward
and that just cannot happen.

1223
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,480
Yeah, such a good point.
PPA has to be it's just a sacred

1224
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,120
bit of time where every teacher,
no matter what their skill level

1225
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,680
or what you think of them, they
get 10% out of the classroom.

1226
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,000
Non teaching time.
I'm non directed.

1227
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,120
They just get that.
And if you want, if you follow

1228
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,040
need to support that teacher,
then you need to put in other

1229
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,560
things.
You need to be taking them out

1230
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,160
of some other teaching time.
If it's got to be in school time

1231
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,080
or if it's within directed time
window a bit before teaching

1232
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,280
starts or a bit after teaching
starts, you have that meeting,

1233
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,440
then it can't be you just can't
do it.

1234
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,080
It's so unfair.
I'm really, really against the

1235
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,240
idea of.
Yeah, because because then that

1236
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,360
person imagine they have that
half an hour meeting and maybe

1237
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,120
it is going through planning and
stuff and tweaking it and

1238
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,440
helping it and stuff.
OK, cool.

1239
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,360
Maybe that is what it is.
Maybe it is really useful.

1240
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,800
Yeah, maybe the person's agreed
to as well and they think

1241
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,600
actually, yeah, I do want you to
come, it will be helpful and

1242
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,080
that's fine.
These are all different things.

1243
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,800
Yeah, it's the it's the like
overarching from the top down

1244
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,520
directing of PPA.
You can't do it.

1245
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,680
So if someone turns around and
says no, no, don't direct my

1246
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,160
PPA, I've got all of these jobs
to do.

1247
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,880
But if you want to help me in
support of my planning, maybe we

1248
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,440
can book in a time to do it.
That's within much spoken my

1249
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,800
scope of my contract.
It's less of a red flag than

1250
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,360
what was described where I'm
forcing my staff to every time

1251
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,880
on a Sunday afternoon do it.
But yeah, I mean, for that it

1252
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,440
would probably be if that was
happening.

1253
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,480
What I'd like to see is when
people are not affected

1254
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,160
negatively by a bad policy, for
example, those people who are

1255
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,760
allowed to take it from home but
their colleagues aren't, they

1256
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,200
should be the loudest in that
situation.

1257
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,280
If you work in a school where
this happens and you are not the

1258
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,760
flavour of the month in terms
of, you know, SRT are hammering

1259
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,840
you, I'd love to see support
from other people coming in from

1260
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,720
you.
I, I, I take it from home, but I

1261
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,560
understand this could be taken
away from me at any point and

1262
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,720
that's not really fair.
Yeah.

1263
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,160
I want to defend this other
person.

1264
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,400
So I'd like to see more of that
as well.

1265
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,400
Definitely.
But camaraderie.

1266
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Exactly.
I like that.

1267
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,480
This one.
Might make you laugh too.

1268
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,000
Fair.
A bit more in jest.

1269
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,400
Being told I had to walk
backwards when I leave my class

1270
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,600
to assembly so I could see them
at all times.

1271
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Not allowed to let them lead and
me be at the back where you can

1272
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,240
obviously still see them.
Unfortunately I'm really clumsy,

1273
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,080
so you can guess what happened
with a laugh emoji.

1274
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,840
I didn't stay at that school for
very long.

1275
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,280
Yeah, it's interesting about
like.

1276
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,760
Basically like.
I think that's because it's

1277
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,240
indicative, right, That the
thing we're saying all the time

1278
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,520
that on its own, I'd laugh
again.

1279
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,560
I'd be like, no, no, really, you
must do that.

1280
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,760
What are the chances, if that if
that is a red flag at a school,

1281
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,520
they don't.
Have any others?

1282
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,200
Right, exactly.
That's the way to think about

1283
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,760
it.
I guarantee that was the straw

1284
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
that broke the camel's back,
because this was the ninth thing

1285
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,160
that she's not almost on.
You don't get to that level of

1286
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,960
micromanagement without having.
Every step before yeah it's like

1287
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,200
don't if if you're telling your
staff that they've got to walk

1288
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,320
backwards in the hallway when
taking kids to to the assembly.

1289
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,400
What do you think that SRT is
doing about lessons and play

1290
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,720
other things?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1291
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,520
It's insane.
It just.

1292
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,640
It just cracked me up because
just.

1293
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Idea of doing that?
Now you can't walk at the back

1294
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,480
where you can see the man walk
forwards.

1295
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,600
You have to be at the front,
walk backwards and most schools

1296
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,640
have the floor plan of.
Labyrinth, like pans Labyrinth.

1297
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,640
Honestly, it's like just there's
angles everywhere.

1298
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,560
It's just like, we're going to
be really picky.

1299
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,880
It's just a safety risk, isn't
it?

1300
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,400
Walking, walking, telling
someone to walk and close their

1301
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,280
right.
You wouldn't do it.

1302
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,360
I wouldn't.
You wouldn't accept an SLT come

1303
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,840
to you and say I want to walk
through the corridor.

1304
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,320
Close your eyes, though.
No, obviously not.

1305
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,480
I guess I trip over and hurt
myself.

1306
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,400
All right.
Do it backwards.

1307
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:49,640
It's the same thing.
You can't see.

1308
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,760
Yeah.
And have these people talk.

1309
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,240
Like Do you really think?
That me always looking at my

1310
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,560
class of 32 children means no
one's going to talk ever.

1311
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,880
Like really, really like because
my eyes can't actually Skype 32

1312
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,720
kids at the very same time all
the time.

1313
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,320
It's like even when I look this
kids talking and stuff and I'm

1314
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,840
just going to that's not going
to teach them.

1315
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,600
Like all my teachers go, I'm
doing the backwards walk, the

1316
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,920
backwards walks on if you
moonwalk, is it easier?

1317
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,960
Maybe exactly that exactly that
All right, last one and I wanted

1318
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,040
to finish on this one because
it.

1319
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,000
It really made me laugh.
Maybe you can see why it's one

1320
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,120
of the most liked comments.
OK, we have to mark books, tests

1321
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,400
run after school, clubs, call
parents, all in our own unpaid

1322
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,800
time.
Yeah, Yeah, I see.

1323
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,560
It's like.
Are they?

1324
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,880
It's funny, isn't it?
Because I'm assuming they're

1325
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,000
being sarcastic.
Maybe, but maybe not.

1326
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,720
But they could not be that and.
That kind of highlights the

1327
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,480
problem, doesn't it?
They're.

1328
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Like, oh, it's just so much
stuff we're expected to just do.

1329
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,840
And it is just technically,
technically by the book.

1330
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,240
It is an unpaid time teachers.
It all runs off goodwill

1331
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,040
Education is just that's why we
started this podcast.

1332
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,000
We literally started on about
striking because it was all

1333
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,440
about this kind of thing.
So I think, I think honestly the

1334
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,840
nature.
Of the job where there's so much

1335
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,080
that is completely normalised
even by you and me, even those

1336
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,480
things mentioned there.
You and I worked for however

1337
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,800
long in a school that I would
see that and I'd be like, that's

1338
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,360
part of my job.
Yeah, I've got, that's part of

1339
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,040
my job.
That's it.

1340
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,160
Like it's so normalised.
What would in any other

1341
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,160
profession be?
That's weird why you asked me to

1342
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,480
do that.
It's a bit of a red flag, isn't

1343
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,760
it?
To be expected just to do all of

1344
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,600
this work outside of these hours
where I've got to do my main

1345
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,280
job.
That's crazy because it's so

1346
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,360
normalised in teaching.
It's it feels like a lot of

1347
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,880
schools not maybe through no
fault of their own, sometimes

1348
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,160
through stretch budgets, through
no allocation for people to

1349
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,280
actually do their right jobs,
etcetera, and sometimes through

1350
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,560
narcissism.
And what we've just talked about

1351
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,880
today are seeing how far they
can pull that line.

1352
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,840
Yeah.
It's like, well, the line's

1353
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,960
already back.
And every single teacher, 100%

1354
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,480
of teachers accept that.
Calling parents, marking work,

1355
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,560
all in our own time.
OK, that's just part of the job.

1356
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Yeah.
How far can I pull this line

1357
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:42,800
back?
So.

1358
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Oh, actually, yeah.
Can SLT manage your PPI bit?

1359
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,840
I'm just giving you some
support.

1360
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,400
Oh, yeah.
Well, them shoes don't have

1361
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,040
laces on.
Yeah, that's not good.

1362
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,520
You can't do that.
But all the way back.

1363
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,960
Oh, actually as a display rotor.
Now I'm gonna come.

1364
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Around and check that right got
one sent to be the border

1365
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,920
there's a bounty in the bin yeah
I don't think you're a very.

1366
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,080
Good teacher.
How many of these things

1367
00:51:59,080 --> 00:51:59,880
exactly?
Exactly.

1368
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,200
Until it's just like what?
On Earth is going on, Yeah.

1369
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,040
So that's why I like that
comment.

1370
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,240
Basically, it was grounding us
to.

1371
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,680
Think no, We can call this stuff
out because we already go above

1372
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,040
and beyond.
Every teacher out there, by

1373
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,120
definition, just from fulfilling
the literal job, is already

1374
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,120
doing more than what they should
be doing and could already in a

1375
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,360
lot of professions argue doing
way more than they should and

1376
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,520
already being taken advantage
of.

1377
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,960
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
So yeah, I'm.

1378
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Happy with the gradings we've
given all of these flags.

1379
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,480
The most of them were red flags,
let's be honest.

1380
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,960
But it is true, because they're
all considerably more intense

1381
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,400
and crazy than what we just read
there, which Dylan has just said

1382
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,640
is already above and beyond.
So yeah, had a few red

1383
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,680
roundabouts as well, didn't we?
We.

1384
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,400
Did have a few red roundabouts
calling that new term.

1385
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,720
I hope I.
Hope this term kicks off.

1386
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,400
There was just something about
flags.

1387
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,360
Red roundabouts.
Yeah, I.

1388
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,160
Don't know what?
No, but can't tell.

1389
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,320
Wouldn't.
But if you've.

1390
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,120
Got this far?
Absolutely would love a review,

1391
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:49,760
right?
Five stars.

1392
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,800
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1393
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1398
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1399
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,960
Hayden, before we finish any
wise words, I do never look into

1400
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,960
the eye of a fan.
See ya.

1401
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:13,560
Yeah.