Ep 159: How We Quit Teaching & Still Pay The Bills (Income Explained)

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Sleep Repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name's

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Hayden.
And in today's episode, we're

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going to be exploring exactly
how we managed to quit teaching

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and still pay the bills, how it
took a long time, and the

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different income streams that
we've managed to build up.

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Hopefully along the way you get
some tips that might be helpful

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for you.
It's something you're thinking

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of doing in the future as well.
But without further ado, let's

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crack on.
Probably by far the most asked

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question I get on social media
is how have you quit teaching

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and still managed to pay the
bills?

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How have you still?
Are you still making money?

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It's something I've thought
about doing for a long time, but

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I can't find the job.
I don't know what's out there,

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have to take a huge pay cut.
And I always think to myself,

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our stories, I think quite
unique, like in terms of what we

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did, I don't think many other
people did that.

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So I thought it'd be a good
podcast episode to just

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literally explain to people
exactly what we did, be as

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transparent as possible, and
explain how we did manage to

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lose a big chunk of our income
but still stay afloat and pay

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our bills.
Yeah, definitely.

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And I think a little bit of
context is really important to

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our journey as well.
A lot of people, I think assume

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because they've seen us on
social media that it was very

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impromptu, like we were happy
teaching, teaching, teaching for

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years and years and years.
And then sort of within the

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space of a few months, we're
like, oh, do you know what?

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Let's quit and try something
else.

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And actually that is not the
case.

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I think it's really important to
say that we, we got the wheels

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in motion to get us to the
position where we could make

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that decision over a number of
years.

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And we were, and there were a
number of years within that

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where we were considering the
idea.

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We were thinking about it.
We're like, what if this, what

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if that could we quit if this
happens?

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Should we quit if this happens?
So it really wasn't a last

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minute sort of off the cuff,
like let's just do this crazy

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thing.
And I think that's just, I just

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want to make sure that's clear.
Yeah, you, you got to lay the

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ground works and I hope people
will get that impression because

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I think the best thing we can do
is I like being as transparent

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as possible.
I talk about this thing to the

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cows come home.
Some people not always

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comfortable talking about it,
but I don't mind at all.

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So let's let's dive in then.
And we're going to lay the

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context down very quickly from
our job part time teaching.

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So we already dropped down to
part time teaching from a full

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time teacher's wage as part time
three days a week.

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We were taking home 2000 lbs.
I was taking home every month

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from teaching.
When we quit, we lost that.

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We lost 2000 lbs.
Huge chunk of money when

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mortgages are rising, cost of
living is going through the

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roof, etcetera.
So I can justifiably see why

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people say how enough did you do
this?

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So hey, then we start off, we're
going to go through every single

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way that we have a kind of
income stream which allowed us

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to make that.
Decision, absolutely.

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So the first one and possibly
the most important because it

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does provide us the majority of
income now is our tutoring

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company.
So we have a tutoring company

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called Top Dog Tutoring, which
we started in 2018.

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So this is what I meant about
getting Wheels in Motion a

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little bit earlier on because
that was a long time ago.

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Now seven years we've been
running this company and that is

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the first income stream and the
biggest one that keeps us able

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to pay our bills.
So, you know, we'll give you a

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whistle stop tour of of that
journey.

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But basically in 2018, we were
still full time teachers.

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We saw the allure of the private
industry and we thought this

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this could be something we could
do ourselves because we get to

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teach kids all the time exactly
how we want without people

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telling us what to do.
And we started that company.

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Fast forward a few years, It
allowed us to go part time like

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you said.
Fast forward a few more years

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and it allowed us to make that
decision of OK, let's quit

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because we've got enough income
to pay our bills and we can buy

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our time back.
And that was a huge thing we

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learned.
I think this is something people

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would be interested to hear
about genuinely because this is

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the thing where when people are
asking what can you do, people

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always think tutoring, we can go
to a new career, finding the

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business.
I think there are loads of

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transferable skills we're
teaching.

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If you're listening to this
thinking, what can I do?

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I think there's loads.
You can go into Facebook groups

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that give you lots of
information.

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There's so many skills you have
that you can just take into a

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brand new career.
But this really worked for us

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because we were still so
passionate, weren't we?

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We were.
And you know, I finished my

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career passionate as well, but I
love teaching.

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I loved helping children, but
this let us do it ourselves.

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So we started in 2018.
We didn't make much money.

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Not at all.
This wasn't a thing where it's

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like, oh, yeah, immediately
we've got that.

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Our first ever message to our
Facebook group when we set up

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top dog tutoring.
Yeah, you're the top dog.

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You're the best in the world.
Oh, we got a message after day

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one.
How exciting is this?

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Maybe it's a customer.
What breeds of dog do you teach?

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That was possibly one of the
favourite moments of my life

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because it was so funny and like
my heart sank because I was so

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excited.
We'd spent £15 on Companies

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House setting up this limited
company and by the way, we put

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in barely any money.
We put in about two 200 lbs of

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money and the 15 LB of that was
for a company's house and that

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to be our first message was
absolutely gutting so.

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It worked though.
It's stuck, isn't it?

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It has stuck.
But yeah, this is the thing.

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And tutoring, it was.
It started off you and me,

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literally.
We tutored children, we talked,

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we left the school.
Those children went up into year

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five.
They wanted to tutor because in

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Kent we have the 11 plus test.
They wanted to boost in English,

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to boost in their maths.
They asked us and we said, do

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you know what we've thought
about it?

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What's the worst that can
happen?

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So we did it.
And that's what I want to say to

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people right now.
I hate it when motivational,

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inspirational people who are
millionaires say you just gotta

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work hard, you just gotta do,
you gotta make it happen.

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You gotta go and get it.
It frustrates me because lots of

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people work extremely hard.
Lots of people try stuff and it

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doesn't work for everyone.
The the amount you work and how

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hard you work does not equal
what money you manage to take

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home all the time.
That's not how the system works.

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However.
I always say this to people

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though, just do it though.
Just give it a go because you

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know what there is a 0 percent
chance of it happening if you

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don't give it a go.
So if people out there, lots of

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people out there thinking I need
to quit teaching, I need to do

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something about it. 34567 years
down the line and they still

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haven't actually done anything
about it.

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I'm sorry, but you won't change
your situation.

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Yeah, it sounds, it sounds harsh
the way you said it, but it's

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not harsh at all because
ultimately it's just that is

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just black and white truth,
isn't it is waiting for

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something to happen to you is
what someone said to me once.

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You don't just wait for it to
land on your lap and actually go

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out and just try it, do
something.

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The worst that can happen is it
didn't work.

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Yeah.
And then you go and you go back

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to your stable job.
Yeah, you're not too.

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Yeah, you don't, you don't enjoy
it that much.

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But it is ultimately a lot of
pros to teaching in terms of

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income and then the stability of
that job and the job security of

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a teacher.
Like we're always going to need

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teachers.
With the declining birth rate, I

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think that is actually something
that's that's declining.

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You're not going to lie.
But we're still going to need

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teachers, full stop.
Maybe not as many, but I don't

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know.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, no, definitely.
I think, I think that's, I think

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that's a huge point.
Now that's all I wanted to say

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was just give it a go though.
Just give it a go because, you

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know, it grew.
It grew.

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We we in my first year, I didn't
realise this having always done

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PAYE, but I had to file a tax
return.

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OK.
In our first year of tutoring,

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we didn't make any money.
So my tax return said I owe you

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0 lbs, Mr Taxman.
But I thought because it was

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zero and I didn't have to pay
anything, then don't have to

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worry about it.
No, no, it turns out you do.

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I got £100 fine.
So I've got £100 fine on a £0

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tax payer down.
I was like doing it.

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Yeah, I appealed that they let
me off in.

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The end, to be really clear as
well, people probably wondering

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what they probably want to know,
like what kind of shooting we

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actually did and why we didn't
make money in the first year.

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I think it's really important.
The reason they make money is

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because we didn't take that
super risky approach where you

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get a massive business loan out
and do it that way.

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We just reinvested money we
made.

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So as we were starting to make
income from the pupils we were

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gaining over time, We started
with something like 6 pupils

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because we were doing group
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All of that money just went back
into the business, getting

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resources, getting our website,
doing all these things.

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So yeah, we ended the year with
£0 up because we just spent it

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and Dylan ends up paying £100.
It was so funny.

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But that is that's huge.
And that grew and that grew and

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that grew.
And you're absolutely right to

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mention it as the biggest part
of our income, because it is the

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biggest part of our income right
now.

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What tutoring allows us to do is
pay our bills and sustain the

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household at a very, very base
level.

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That's the point we got to.
And with our tutoring, we had

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small groups, small group
tuition.

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COVID came along, we moved
online at this point.

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Now we have a group of, I think
14 or 15 primary school teachers

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who tutor with us and do
tutoring groups with us and we

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pay those people to run those
groups.

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And that was our bread and
butter.

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And it still is the bulk of the
money we make right now through

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tutoring.
But I want you hating to quickly

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talk about as well, other
options through tutoring.

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Might be some people think I
don't have the time to do the

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recurring tutoring.
I want to go down a different

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route.
Well, we've kind of done

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everything, haven't we?
So we've got that.

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What else do?
We have, yeah, we diversified a

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bit.
You know, one easy thing we did.

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We did things like mock tests
and actual physical events.

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People can come to and pay for
like a summer course, those kind

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of things, as well as the
regular group tuition.

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But also we thought was really
interesting this idea during the

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cost of living crisis, actually
that kind of sparked this idea.

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We were like, I wonder if
there's a more affordable option

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because not everyone can will be
affording the regular tutoring,

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paying for an actual tutor.
I wonder if we can make a sort

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of E course version of this.
And we at that point and we'll

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talk about YouTube in a minute.
We'd already had a bit of

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experience with making videos.
We were like, I reckon we could

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package up a really high quality
tutoring course that lasts

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across the whole year or maybe
multiple years in the end is

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what it ended up being and sell
that course to people and allow

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people to just buy access to the
entire library.

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So we had our live tutoring and
now we had running alongside it.

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Well, here's this cheaper
alternative option where

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actually not get a live tutor,
but we've prerecorded all of our

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lessons and you can download
tasks and things to go with it.

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And you can watch these other
videos of walkthroughs of

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answers and this and that.
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customers coming in and buying
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of videos and someone else just
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one of our tutoring groups.
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in and a book to mock test for
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that.
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bought our, our summer course
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little, you know, a week
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the business itself, which I
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that diversifying is good.
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income streams, not having all
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of the huge laws that made us
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place because we knew that
ultimately in teaching, all of

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your eggs are in that one
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We can see our future trajectory
of what money we were going to

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make and and what our job role
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put in versus the hours we
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It was all there.
Whereas this was exciting to us

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because it was new and we could
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That's a really good way of

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thinking about it is that
tutoring isn't 1 pot for us

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tutoring, it's our tutoring
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And I don't like this idea of I
don't like it necessarily say

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what passive income is a weird
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income means.
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as we can in terms of people
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online lessons.
And we've done homework sheets

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for everything.
You know, it's comprehensive.

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But there's a lot of, there's
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got into that.
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item off the shelf.
Yeah, it's made now, but it

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won't run out.
You know, it's not like Asda,

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when the shelf runs out, you
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again.
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We have made this course.
It's there.

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It's to help children.
It's really popular.

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whenever we can wake up in the

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morning.
I checked my emails.

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We've got two people purchased
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It's a really nice way to still,
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you go through.
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I'd like you now to talk about
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minute ago and I think sometimes
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yeah, that that could be an
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Us this this is this is the
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hopefully the theme running
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quick answer.
OK, so a lot of people think,

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well, what can I do within a
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Like if you want to build up a

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tutoring business, if you want
to be influential like this and

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get people through the door,
it's hard to scale quickly,

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especially if you've not got the
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It took us years and years to do
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growth.
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So when we look at what we said
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essentially almost replaced the
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OK, we're not quite there at the
full time wage, but it's enough

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to kind of keep things sticking
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Get the bills paid.
Exactly that.

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Another income stream for us is
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We have I think over 30,000
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It's educational content.
It's, it's targeted so that

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parents can use it to help their
children learn things.

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past.
I think you need 1000

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subscribers on YouTube.
That's right.

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And you need 4000 hours of watch
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creators programme, which is
basically they run ads on your

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videos anyway.
If you get past that threshold,

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they start giving you 50%, I
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So again, we've got to the point
where we spent years and years

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and years making YouTube videos.
We go back and watch them.

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It's hilarious.
They're not bad, I don't think

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sometimes when you go back to
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It's very serious, like the
podcast.

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It's like very serious at first.
We're overthinking everything.

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Yeah.
Exactly.

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But then we kind of found our
niche with a few skits, a few

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funny things, and it was about,
you know, teaching something

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really clearly.
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And it, we, we had years, didn't
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Years and years, Yeah.
We weren't even monetized.

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We were just putting YouTube out
there just to, you know, we.

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We smashed it with a top dog
brand and exactly some people

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maybe found it and then we got
messages saying, oh, I'll come

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to your tutoring.
So it's all interwing.

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It's all exactly, we're
advertising our own things.

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But it's funny when you look at
the graph, because you can look

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at analytics on YouTube, you
look at the graph of if you do

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it by sort of money earned or
views or whatever.

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But the flat lines here it was,
it was literally for like 3 or 4

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years.
The line is basically nothing.

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We weren't, we were churning out
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Even after we monetized, it was
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So I mean, it was like an actual
flat line 0.

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Then we monetized.
That's why it was like 50 P

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exactly.
We making money, but we kept

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doing it.
And that's, I think, I think

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it's a really important point,
'cause you made that.

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And I don't want anyone to gloss
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We knew we weren't going to be
making money from YouTube even

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within one year of doing YouTube
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Yeah.
But we knew in the long term if

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we kept it up and we were
consistent, we would probably,

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and it was always a probably,
we'd probably get to a point

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where that starts paying off.
Whether it's because we've

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plugged our own resources and
tutoring in the videos and it

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funnels a few people to that and
we make that money and you know,

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sort of passively that way.
Or whether it's because actually

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the YouTube videos themselves
are getting those views and

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we're starting to make add money
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So we are now at the point and
it's not, it's not significant.

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You know, we're not, we're not,
we're not like we can say we can

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quit everything and just do
YouTube like a lot of Youtubers

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do.
But it is bringing in a couple

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of £100 a month like we are
getting.

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It's more ad revenue.
It's more than that.

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If you look at YouTube in a in a
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make about 7 to 8000 LB on ad
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So that's just on YouTube videos
existing and people playing

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them.
What you need to add to that as

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well is the amount of, you know,
emails we get through saying,

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oh, my son loved this.
I, I really, it really helped

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with the preparation.
I want to buy those that course

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you made and talked about
earlier or my child wants to try

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tutoring, etcetera.
That's more hard to quantify,

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but we've definitely had a
stream with that as well.

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So everything so far is all
within the the world of our

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tutoring companies.
And if you really think about

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it, all this YouTube stuff, it's
all kind of come from our top

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tutoring and you can say, yeah,
we've diversified within it.

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So it'd be really interesting to
hear from you if that that kind

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of experience for us when we
actually took a step out of that

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company where we've kind of done
everything and we truly

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diversified in terms of can we
do this in another way?

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Can we do something else?
Yeah, yeah.

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So, so we, we have multiple
things, this is the thing.

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And because we're risk averse,
the the tutoring, I felt even

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though we had a big, big part of
my advice to people is to have

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multiple pots to take from.
I wanted the tutoring pot to be

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big enough to sustain.
Yeah, that's so that that is

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like being risk averse.
We could have done this earlier,

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but we started the podcast in
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OK.
And again, I think there's a

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little bit of people sometimes
see our social media apps.

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We started social media at the
same time.

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It's I'm gonna I'm gonna treat
these as almost one in the same.

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We'll come on to social media in
a bit more, in a bit more

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detail, but they're kind of one
in the same in terms of we made

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that choice in 2023 when the
strike's happening to, you know,

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have a presence online
basically, which we didn't have

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before and we were still
teaching at that point.

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So we were always treading water
with what we could find

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acceptable or not.
But we did that.

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Again, it's the same story.
The 1st 304050 podcast episodes,

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we were talking to 40 people and
their dog.

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You know, it was, it was nice.
We had some, it was really nice

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to have those fans and but it
compounds, it massively

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compounds.
And in terms of it making money

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for us, again, we've been doing
this podcast now for 2 1/2

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years.
Yeah, just over now.

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Only within the last six months
have we really made any money

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off it.
So in terms of the podcast

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itself, we don't get paid to do
this, No.

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There's some cameras set up in
the room in in top of my house

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and we just put it out there.
Social media.

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I don't get paid to do social
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Like I was putting out reels and
making memes and building up a

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following for nothing for ages
for.

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So long.
And it, but here's the thing,

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you could look at that and go,
what's the point?

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I'm not, I'm not.
And I'm not being rude to people

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here right now because I
understand it.

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But how many people do you see
who say I'm starting a podcast?

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They get 8 episodes in and
clearly become disillusioned

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with it and I think what's the
point?

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It didn't grow quick enough it.
Didn't grow quick.

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No podcast grows quick enough
unless you're a celebrity and

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can already have that legs up
for thousands of people.

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You have to just be true,
authentic.

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Put videos out there you think
people will laugh at.

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Put videos out there that you
agree with and you think people

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resonate with.
Do the podcast because you want

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to do it.
Put these things out there

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because it's part of what you're
passionate about.

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And I think that's what we've
always done.

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You build it up, you build it,
you build it up.

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My thought was social media and
the podcast was always about

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helping people genuinely.
And I'm not this is not like

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some corner or I just want to
help everyone.

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I promise you, you cannot
possibly do a podcast for two

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years making no money without
really genuinely wanting to help

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people.
And when people would message us

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and say, oh, thanks for doing
that video, it gave me the

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confidence to speak up or Oh my
goodness, I didn't know this

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about shared parental leave.
Now my family and my child is

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going to get thousands of pounds
a year more.

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That's what feels good.
That's what feels good.

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That's why I did it.
And that grew and that grew.

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And you get to the point with
social media.

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I don't know how much people
know about this, but even going

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back to YouTube, we've only got
30 K subscribers.

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You think about how many
amazingly huge Youtubers are out

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there and we make 6-7 grand, 8
grand a year on YouTube.

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Think about what people there's
huge money out there if you keep

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going right?
And you don't need to have a

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massive, massive, massive,
massive following to make decent

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money from these things.
The same is true from social

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media.
We've had months now you have to

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get to a certain point to turn
on money.

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So there's, there's a certain
requirement of thousands of

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followers, like 10,000 I think
for TikTok and it might be more

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Facebook.
And there's certain requirements

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you've got to do and you don't
get a huge amount of money per

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view.
No, but you know, when you've

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got some social media videos
like ours, which get millions of

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views on each one and they boom
and they go viral and you're

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constantly uploading again, it's
not consistent.

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But we had a month recently
where we earned 1000 lbs from

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social media, which was crazy.
It's insane because we had a few

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videos that went viral, a few
videos that really hit the nerve

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00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,520
of people and lots of comments
and engagement and people, you

451
00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,240
know, sharing it was really
important.

452
00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,720
But yeah, it's not normal.
Please don't get me wrong.

453
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,280
No, no, I'd say normal is
probably 200 pounds, £300.

454
00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,520
Trickling in from the.
But but it only takes a few

455
00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,880
videos to go viral and we had a
month where we had £1000 in

456
00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,400
total.
When you add up Facebook revenue

457
00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,080
and you add up TikTok revenue,
insane.

458
00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,160
There's no way we can replicate
that.

459
00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,360
We can't rely on that.
No, this is what I wanted to

460
00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:00,240
say.
This is why it's different.

461
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,680
Having different pots, tutoring,
bread and butter, pays the

462
00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,440
mortgage.
Yeah.

463
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,600
Everything else fluctuating up
and down.

464
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,560
More risky.
Not like having a nice state

465
00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,120
funded job with your pension
that's good that way more risky,

466
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,760
riskable.
Yeah, and it might not have paid

467
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:15,440
off.
That's the thing.

468
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,880
I, I just want to keep saying
this.

469
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,040
I think it's so important
because I want to constantly

470
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,280
come back to this idea of
getting the wheels in motion,

471
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,920
right?
Because actually before we had

472
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,440
this cool month of we earned
1000 lbs from social media, we

473
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,040
had 30 months in a row where we
earned between 0 and 10 lbs.

474
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,400
You know, because it was £0 for
a long.

475
00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,640
Time because two years was
nothing.

476
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,560
Two years because we couldn't
even monetise at that point.

477
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,200
We weren't big enough to to
monetise at all.

478
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,200
Yeah.
And I just think, yeah, at any

479
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,920
point in that two years, I could
have given up at any point in

480
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:40,960
that 2.
Years I could have given up.

481
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,520
You could have given up on the
social media you were doing

482
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,280
that.
I could have given up editing

483
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,040
the podcast.
Shut up.

484
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,400
You know, But people, people I
think will hear sometimes that,

485
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,320
oh, they made 1000 lbs cool.
I'm going to start social media

486
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,200
tomorrow and I can and I can
quit my job next month.

487
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,280
It just doesn't work like that
for some people.

488
00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,200
And this is like Instagram
reality, you know, versus

489
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,360
reality.
You do get the odd crazy like

490
00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:02,920
lottery win scenario for people
where they're like, oh, this

491
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,120
crazy thing happened to me and
now I've gone from zero to

492
00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,200
£5,000,000 a week.
And you're like, let's not

493
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,400
normalise it though, because
most people have to put in some

494
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,880
graft and some grind and get
those wheels in motion way

495
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,760
earlier than they actually start
reaping the rewards from it.

496
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,480
And I think that goes back to
your point earlier, which is

497
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,760
when people say I'm just not
into teaching.

498
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:21,720
I really want to do something
else.

499
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,040
And then six years have gone by
and they're still saying I

500
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,240
really want to do teaching.
I always want to shake them and

501
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,000
be like, you know, when you said
this six years ago and you've

502
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,480
been saying it every year since,
if you just got something moving

503
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,040
six years ago, you never know,
like, it might have taken five

504
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,960
years to make you any money, but
you might be in a position now

505
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,440
where you can go, oh, sweet, I
can do something about this now

506
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,480
and I can actually change my
life.

507
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,400
You can, you might not.
You might not you.

508
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,120
Might always say to people all
the time, it's not just a I'm

509
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,120
not just saying, yeah, just do
it and work hard and get there.

510
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,720
You it might not have worked.
It was we are lucky.

511
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,120
I always say, people always say
you make your own luck.

512
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,720
I disagree with that statement,
but I'm very passionate about it

513
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,680
in a different kind of way.
I always say you make your own

514
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,280
opportunity to be lucky.
That's why I always say because

515
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,760
you can't make your own luck.
It's luck.

516
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,040
That's the point of it.
Yeah, Yeah, right.

517
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,120
I didn't make luck.
I didn't, I didn't like, I

518
00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:09,880
didn't do something.
And therefore I got lucky

519
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,920
because of what I did.
Luck is luck.

520
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,160
It's it's uncontrollable, right?
But I gave myself the

521
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,640
opportunity to be lucky.
I gave myself the opportunity

522
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,080
1000 times to be lucky because
they did 1000 posts on

523
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,280
Instagram.
So I gave myself the and you

524
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,760
know what?
950 of them.

525
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,120
Of them got a couple of 1000
views, yeah, nothing.

526
00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:28,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
It's the algorithm. 50 of them

527
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,520
maybe boomed. 2 of them maybe
got 5 million views and off that

528
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,920
I made a few 100 lbs yeah,
right.

529
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,200
So it's about I made that
opportunity.

530
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,840
That's what I'm saying to people
right now is you make your own

531
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,800
opportunity to be lucky, and if
you're constantly feeling like

532
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,360
you're waiting with something to
happen to you, it won't happen.

533
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,840
If you at least make the
opportunity, it might happen.

534
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,960
That's what I'm saying.
And I think as well, like just

535
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,320
think about the ecosystem of our
podcast as well, you know, talk

536
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,560
about the ecosystem of our
choosing company and how we

537
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,560
diversify within that.
You, you can be quite clever as

538
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,040
well in terms of those passive
benefits.

539
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,720
Like with the YouTube, we were
like, not only can we make ad

540
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,360
revenue, we can also plug our
products to go to our website.

541
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,200
And then when the website,
they've got three options to

542
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,000
choose from.
We would we were doing the same

543
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,840
sort of thing with with the
podcast as well.

544
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,560
Like not only would you maybe
get really lucky at that 5

545
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,080
million view thing that made us
£100 ad revenue, we also gained

546
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,160
100 people watching the podcast.
Yeah, which ultimately we want

547
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,120
to grow as well.
So it's like lots of things can

548
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:26,000
work in tandem, which is really
nice and build up together Yeah.

549
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,800
And they might not have it like
distinct monetary value.

550
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,840
Yes, us getting 100 new
listeners to the podcast, it

551
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,440
doesn't equal X amount of money.
That's just not how it works.

552
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,880
Yeah.
But it's 100 more listeners

553
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,920
podcast and we want to grow that
and we and because ultimately it

554
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,280
comes back down to the passion
as well.

555
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,720
Yeah, I want to speak to 100
more people.

556
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,760
I want, I want to have, I wanna
hear your voice.

557
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:43,920
I want you to hear what we're
saying.

558
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,520
And we can have that discussion
and we can hopefully be a voice

559
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,760
for you as well.
It's real.

560
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,680
We're not doing this podcast and
social media because we want

561
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,800
more people to follow us,
because we want more money.

562
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,360
Yeah, it would fall apart
immediately.

563
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:55,880
Absolutely.
You've got to be really

564
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,360
authentic.
You've got to put things out

565
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,000
there that you believe, and you
got to want to help people.

566
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,880
And then as a result of that,
look what's come out of it.

567
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,720
Think about the podcast
ecosystem as well, because I

568
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,560
feel like we've kind of got
three big parts.

569
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,600
We've gone through the tutoring,
we're going through the podcast

570
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,640
now.
We'll talk about what else we're

571
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,840
doing in a second, but staying
on a podcast for a second.

572
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,600
So you've got social media,
which I just, we can't rely on.

573
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,680
We just can't rely on that.
That is almost like and being

574
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320
very clear to people, we're not
taking that money like we've

575
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,440
invested in this, but look at
this mic, look at the camera

576
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,080
you're watching this on.
Like This is Money that we put

577
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,800
down, that we made, that we're
now reinvesting, we're.

578
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,400
Not taking a penny, actually.
If you think about it, we're not

579
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,320
taking a single thing.
Like let's be really clear to

580
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,320
people right now.
We've personally not taking any

581
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,360
money from this podcast because
again, it's about reinvesting

582
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,280
it.
And and you know, we could do if

583
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,680
we really were desperate.
And that's the luxury we're

584
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,760
we're living in.
But we don't want to because

585
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,600
we're thinking, cool, we've got
this money now, cool, we're

586
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,920
going to reinvest it in whatever
it might be.

587
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,960
Exactly.
Like even the, they've been

588
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,880
talking to each other.
We've got amazing tutors who've

589
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,840
come through from applying from
us posting on our Instagram.

590
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,520
Yeah, that's like the biggest,
it's all coming in together

591
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,200
right now.
But another big thing, we've

592
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,040
done some sponsorship deals with
people and now I really hope

593
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,880
this comes through to people.
But we, Hayden and I are so

594
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,880
passionate about just not just
flogging off absolutely anything

595
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,520
that we that we possibly can to
you guys because we've got an

596
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,600
audience now.
We want everything we do to be

597
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,400
because actually it's going to
be useful to you.

598
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,560
We're not here shilling AVPN,
you know what I mean?

599
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,320
Like VPN literally is.
And we're not doing, you know,

600
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,200
we've worked with a few brands
where we thought, you know what,

601
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,480
this, this, this actively works.
We've worked with, you know,

602
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,440
book companies, we've worked
with different Ed tech companies

603
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,640
that we think are helpful for
children.

604
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,160
There's a whole plethora of of
people who we've actually gone

605
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,520
to who have some charities as
well.

606
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,920
Great stuff, but we get a
message every day.

607
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,360
There's a lot of stuff we
ignore.

608
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,440
Who say, Oh, hey, guys, can can
you we'll get people to say, can

609
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,720
you just post this, please for
free?

610
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,640
And I'm just like, we get this
every you don't understand if I

611
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,320
did that, I'm not trying to be a
Scrooge or anything, but if I

612
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,080
did this every day for like my,
my feed would just be people

613
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480
promoting stuff.
Then we get some people who say

614
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,680
I'll give you some Commission
based, some some Commission

615
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,200
makes money for this, like I
don't want to turn into a

616
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,720
salesperson.
Yeah, that's interesting.

617
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,560
Wanted to be a salesperson.
I did my own thing.

618
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,880
When we got offered like an £800
each £800 bike for like a it was

619
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,880
like an exercise bike.
Yeah.

620
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,080
I mean, like this is cool and
everything yeah And it's like,

621
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,960
yeah, do I would do I want a
free exercise bike in my house

622
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,720
just to say to do a real on
Instagram.

623
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,000
It's like yeah, kind of, but
it's just not relevant to you

624
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080
guys.
I don't I don't want you guys to

625
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,480
be listening to this thinking
yeah, why are they able to

626
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,400
sponsored by a gambling company
and AVPN now do you know what I

627
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,120
mean?
Like it's just yeah, I don't

628
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,160
know, it doesn't sit right.
I don't know.

629
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,480
A lot of people say that.
It sounds like, well, we're

630
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,160
pretty virtuous, but ultimately.
It's not about being virtuous.

631
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,880
Ultimately it's like it's not
and and it doesn't benefit us in

632
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,920
the long run.
We're always thinking long run.

633
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,120
Yeah, everything we do is like
we said it, 500 * a set again,

634
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,320
the wheels in motion of stuff.
We're not thinking what we can

635
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,240
get right now of it.
We're thinking in two years and

636
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,680
three years.
And the negative compounding

637
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,440
effects happen as well.
If we if we start going on the

638
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,880
route of anyone that offers us
money, we say, yeah, here's a

639
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,840
bike, here's this guys.
We're going to lose our audience

640
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,960
interest in three years time.
Our audience is going to be half

641
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,960
the size as it would have been
where we might be able to, you

642
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,760
know, do something then it just
doesn't make sense.

643
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,760
Completely, I completely agree.
Absolutely.

644
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,240
Although I would like an
exercise bike.

645
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,240
So if anyone wants to donate an
exercise bike and also what's

646
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,440
the advert?
Yeah, if you do want to pay us 5

647
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,920
grand a month, I will.
I will advertise anything on

648
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,240
this podcast.
Absolutely.

649
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,000
We're not doing VPNs or gambling
company next week.

650
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,480
Brought to you by Sashark.
They heard it and they thought,

651
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,480
let's push these guys.
What's Where can we make them

652
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,280
break?
Everything they just said.

653
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,560
Wonder what the amount of money
would be for me to do AVPN

654
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,680
advert?
Yeah, I don't know.

655
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,680
It has to be quite high.
Yeah, just saying it's not VPN

656
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,800
anyway.
So that that's kind of going on

657
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,680
as well.
That's all to do with the

658
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,160
podcast.
You know, social media grows

659
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,720
because of the podcast.
The podcast goes because of

660
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,280
social media.
It's all part of the same thing.

661
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,600
And then the other part, and to
be honest with you, we talked

662
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,840
about how quitting teaching and
still paying the bills is really

663
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,160
important.
We built up the tutoring

664
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,040
company, which kind of did that
itself.

665
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,160
But even at that point when we
could replace my part time wage,

666
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,120
I still thought to myself, the
time is amazing.

667
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,760
I've got a young family, There's
so many pros to this, but I need

668
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,480
something else.
We've got the podcast growing.

669
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,320
When we decided to quit
teaching, we'd only just start

670
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,640
to monetize the podcast Tiny.
And we weren't even taking that.

671
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,960
It wasn't making us money.
When we made that call, it was

672
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,440
like it had a lot of potential.
We had a lot of people banging

673
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,920
on the door saying let's do
this, let's do that.

674
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,600
But we very much hadn't gone
there yet.

675
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,280
So we knew that was potential.
And I was thinking, do you know

676
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,880
what?
There is something that we could

677
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,240
do here with the podcast.
We got tutoring.

678
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,120
It was having that third part, I
don't know about you Hayden, but

679
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,840
talking to the to the team and,
and in particular Ben, who, who

680
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320
we met and and spoke to about
this, who was really passionate

681
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,280
about education, that tipped me
over the edge.

682
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,640
It was the new set of wheels.
We needed another set of wheels

683
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,880
going like we had the wheels
from the past and tutoring made

684
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,680
us great money.
Where the wheels, they were sort

685
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,680
of emotional for the podcast and
we could see we're starting to

686
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,360
maybe get something out of this,
but not right now.

687
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,560
We were like, if we're going to
quit, we know we can quit and

688
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,360
take a huge pay cut, but we need
another set of wheels in motion

689
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,920
so that we've got another thing
that in 234567 years we can look

690
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,000
back and be like, I'm glad I did
that then and I didn't wait

691
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,560
seven years to suddenly realise
I needed more money to live.

692
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Talk about this, then what?
Because we talked about it

693
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,440
before.
Mathsu.

694
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,440
You can search Mathsu, there's
some bits out there already.

695
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,120
Big push after Christmas.
All about arithmetic, all about

696
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,920
smashing the basics.
It's our passion.

697
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,760
What?
What drew you to it?

698
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,360
What is it?
How can people maybe take

699
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,840
something from this in terms of
working in their tech company?

700
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,080
Because we've got transferable
skills already from what we're

701
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,520
doing.
Why?

702
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,960
Why was it that pot that we
needed that helped us quit

703
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,400
teaching and hopefully
eventually still pay the bills?

704
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,360
I'll start with one of those
things and you can jump around.

705
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,960
That's 19 things at once.
What drew us to it?

706
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,280
So what drew me to it was it
wasn't it was something we

707
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,600
wanted to do anyway.
We'd had this idea of what Mausu

708
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,360
has become.
Me and you had sat down and I

709
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:33,720
thought we'd love to do this.
I want to.

710
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,600
I want to make some education
software where everyone can use

711
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,080
it.
We're helping all the kids

712
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,360
because they can all use this
thing.

713
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,520
And when we spoke to Ben, what
drew me towards him was was his

714
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,480
attitude and his passion to and,
and his hit such a yes man.

715
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,360
He was like, yes, he's a sick
idea, let's do it.

716
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,680
And the security of him and his
entrepreneurial skills and and

717
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,080
everything that he can bring to
the table is what drew me

718
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,760
towards that as our next set of
wheels.

719
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,960
And the team, right?
And of course, the team that

720
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,040
comes with him, that's what I
mean.

721
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,040
Like everything he brought to
us, which includes the team,

722
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,080
made me think this is worth
investing my time in.

723
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,160
Will I get anything out of it
right now in terms of will I be

724
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,600
able to pay the mortgage from it
right now?

725
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,280
No, that's not how it works when
you start a company.

726
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,520
I've got invested interest.
I've got equity in this company

727
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,640
as have you.
So long term those wheels are

728
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,600
there.
You know, if this company is

729
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,960
successful, we own part of the
company, not just employees.

730
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,320
Exactly and that his passion
drew me in I was like, I want to

731
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,400
build this company and can we
build this exact thing we think

732
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280
that we know is good Yes amazing
cool.

733
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,120
Let's do that then.
That's the partnership that we

734
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,400
need so that's like our next.
This is our next chapter of

735
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,240
life, isn't it Yeah and, and we
are extremely passionate about

736
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,760
it you've probably heard us on
this podcast holding back

737
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,120
sometimes like of course we'll
just rant for two hours about

738
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,320
like everything we want to
build, all of the products we

739
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,520
want to make and the ways we're
going to transform mass

740
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,240
education in this country
because that's what we think

741
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,840
we're going to do yeah, we know
we're going to do it Yeah,

742
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,080
completely.
It just takes time.

743
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,280
We've learnt that from the past.
We've, we've had success now

744
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,800
where we've gone, oh, it took us
five years to get to that point

745
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,960
where we could do the thing that
we know we knew we could do.

746
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,840
This won't take five years,
though.

747
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,840
Yeah, exactly.
And you know the podcast it two

748
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,400
years and hopefully this one
will take one month.

749
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,920
No, but you're right, you learn
things and I think if we were

750
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,640
earlier on in our career, I
think we'd be wearing what itchy

751
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,040
feet?
How come we gotta get something

752
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,560
out of it right now?
Whereas now I'm just like, no,

753
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,440
get it absolutely right.
This maths platform is going to

754
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,600
be unbelievable.
Like I can't I I love teaching

755
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,640
maths.
We've talked about it a million

756
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,880
times.
We've been speaking to loads of

757
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320
maths specialists out there,
loads of ex teachers, loads of

758
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,920
people in the industry.
Every single person who's seen

759
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,880
this has gone wow, this.
This is a good idea about

760
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,000
nailing the foundations,
becoming really fluent, being

761
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,920
able to do arithmetic.
Think about what you do for

762
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,040
arithmetic in your class.
Think about those little

763
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
sections of your day where you
just put aside 1520 minutes,

764
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,880
just go over processes, ideas,
understanding things, getting

765
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,080
the kids to be able to do the
maths.

766
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,440
If we can absolutely nail that,
which maths will do for so many

767
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,240
kids, I'm so excited to see
children using it.

768
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,960
That unlocks everything else.
It's not replacing the teacher,

769
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,440
it's not replacing your
curriculum.

770
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,480
It's short, sharp bursts every
single day, unlimited questions,

771
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,520
children having a go, teachers
being in ultimate control.

772
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Can you do the maths?
Because then the teacher is

773
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,080
going to take you on the journey
through constantly reasoning,

774
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,560
constantly explaining yourself,
looking at those problems.

775
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,240
It, it, I'm just so excited by
it.

776
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,560
And if you won a solution for
maths in your school, for

777
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,200
arithmetic, for basic, doing the
math, if you think, oh, they're

778
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,800
just moving things too.
I know, too excited if you think

779
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,560
you're just moving through
things too quickly and the kids

780
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,520
just don't have a chance to nail
something down.

781
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,280
Can they add these two numbers
together?

782
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,040
Can they find a fraction of an
amount?

783
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Do they know their number bonds?
Whatever it is, this platform is

784
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,320
going to find that out.
See where the children's gaps

785
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,480
are.
Give it to you immediately.

786
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,600
Give you infinite questions to
practise on.

787
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,400
It's gonna be amazing.
Powered by AVPN near you.

788
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,360
So that sounded like your ad
pitch.

789
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,520
No, Tell you what we are going
to start doing now is we don't

790
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,400
need it.
We don't need an ad.

791
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,800
We're going to talk about
masters.

792
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,920
Yeah, absolutely.
We're going to sponsor

793
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,120
ourselves.
We're going to keep everything

794
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,320
within our own ecosystem
because.

795
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,680
We know it's good.
It just makes sense.

796
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,120
It is going to be fantastic.
So I feel I want to throw this

797
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,600
back to you now.
I don't know if I missed one of

798
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,480
your seven questions, but I want
to throw this back to you

799
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,880
because I think people listening
right now might be thinking it's

800
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,920
really cool and maybe they just
wanted to be nosy and hear our

801
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,520
story and just learn a bit more
about us.

802
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Maybe they wanted to hear it
because they're thinking, I want

803
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,600
to do something I want to I want
to break out of this system as

804
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600
well.
What would you say is like the

805
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320
ultimate running theme
throughout this here?

806
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,480
Because it's not OK.
Everyone needs to go and start a

807
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,720
choosing company and take five
years and then you need to start

808
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,400
a podcast and then you need to
get involved in Ed tech.

809
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Obviously, that's our journey.
So is there a a bigger, wider

810
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,920
thing that you could say now to
people?

811
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,880
So this is what helped us on
that.

812
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,760
This is what made that brought
us success from that.

813
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Like is there something we can
take that's transferable to

814
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,600
everybody else, do you think
from this?

815
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,760
It it's quite apartment that
you're wearing a Nike jumper.

816
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,640
Just just do it.
But yeah, I think you've you've

817
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,040
you've kind of pointed this out
to me without me thinking it is

818
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,560
I have this attitude of what I
did it though, like like it's Oh

819
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,560
yeah, you know, I was on Who
wants to be millionaire.

820
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,360
It's a huge part of this story
that we're not even mentioning

821
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,200
because even when I won, who
wants to be money in there?

822
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,280
I won £125,000 on a quiz show.
How insane is that?

823
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,120
Incredibly lucky I'm.
Glad you did because we got the

824
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,600
studio.
Out there.

825
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,760
No, no, no.
But.

826
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,280
But this is my point.
Jokes aside, you you'll know,

827
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,800
you probably may be frustrated
by this when I was there, but I

828
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,600
very much treated that as
separate.

829
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Yeah, I didn't let that.
Honestly, I didn't.

830
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,160
That was pretty stupid.
I should have probably put 50

831
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,280
grand into the business and
boomed it.

832
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Somehow.
I kept that as separate.

833
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,000
I was like, that's separate.
It's not going to affect the

834
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,200
business at all.
We're not going to suddenly I

835
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,680
don't want to take more equity
from you.

836
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,080
I don't want to be investing it
in and all I need to get on

837
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,400
money, but I didn't want to keep
it clean.

838
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,560
We're at a point where we had a
plan that was still working for

839
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,200
us and what I could do with that
money was.

840
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,960
Just move house, yeah.
Exactly.

841
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,800
It was like your person moving
house separate.

842
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Let's see that so and everything
we built here is still part of

843
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,680
the the businesses money.
So my point is it's not about

844
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,400
getting lucky.
What I would say the overarching

845
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,040
theme here is just give it a go.
Get over the cringe was I

846
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,920
cringed out when I did my first
talking head video on Instagram.

847
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,840
Yeah, yes, incredibly cringed
out, but I knew I was going to

848
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,840
be and I didn't care.
I still post it.

849
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880
I never thought to myself that's
cringy.

850
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,680
I thought, I feel that I'm gonna
box it off.

851
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480
I'm gonna just.
Do it where you cringed out when

852
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,360
you applied for Who Wants to Be
a Millionaire for the second

853
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600
time and then go through.
It's not like, you know what I

854
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,360
mean?
Like several times.

855
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,160
No one ever talked.
I've that's what this the whole

856
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,040
theme of this is we're talking
about how much groundwork goes

857
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,800
into things.
You know, it wasn't just you

858
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,160
applied to it.
Who Wants to Millionaire got on

859
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,280
and got on the show and won.
Yeah.

860
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200
You applied loads of times.
You didn't give up.

861
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,440
You applied over years until you
eventually got on work went in,

862
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,440
you got the wheels in motion for
you, which was just.

863
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800
I'm going to keep applying to
the show and hopefully I'll get

864
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560
there and I'm giving myself the
opportunity to be lucky again

865
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,400
and again and again.
That's and again.

866
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Oh yeah.
Got it on that one.

867
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,640
That's it.
And that's the perfect example

868
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,160
because I had people, I'm going
to just very quickly explain a

869
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,040
couple of examples of the why
that is the truth because I went

870
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,120
a millionaire and people are
commenting and that's an easy

871
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,880
set of questions.
I've got that right.

872
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,600
You didn't apply, mate.
You literally didn't apply.

873
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,040
You didn't go through the
process, you didn't go through

874
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,240
it.
You're like like what you're

875
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,560
saying can be true, but also
like, was it lucky that I got a

876
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,800
football question to get to my
safety net of 32 grand?

877
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,440
So lucky I knew it.
I loved football.

878
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,440
It could have been a rugby
question.

879
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,600
I wouldn't have known.
It could have been a golf

880
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,480
question.
I might have known it.

881
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,480
Was it lucky?
Yes, I was in the chair because

882
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,719
I went through the process.
I got kicked back repeatedly,

883
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,080
repeatedly.
I went through the process to

884
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,199
the Zoom interview, got kicked
back, go through the process to

885
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,800
a phone interview, got kicked
back, tried again, tried again,

886
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,360
got on, got lucky opportunity to
be lucky.

887
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,760
Same thing.
When we announced we were

888
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,000
leaving teaching, I said we're
leaving teaching.

889
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,719
And I was, I was alluding to
that third part.

890
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,679
When you look back now and you
see all the thing that's going

891
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,040
alongside it, people didn't know
this, but it's because we knew

892
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,360
we were undertaking a new
project.

893
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,960
And I just said we've got lots
of things in the pipeline.

894
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,320
We're still working at it.
We're going to be working with

895
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,880
some egg tech.
We're going to have a go at that

896
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,280
try and make life, children's
life better.

897
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,480
And someone very angry man on
Instagram just just commented

898
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,800
saying like, Oh yeah, another
one got their lucky golden egg

899
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,960
for having a bit of a social
media following and just doing

900
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,760
this now for a laugh.
And I was like, what on what on

901
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,040
earth do you even mean got your
lucky golden egg?

902
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,120
What I posted 900 times.
You don't get a following.

903
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,320
You don't get an audience or a
following randomly, you get it

904
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,560
because they see your content
and they like it and what you're

905
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,320
saying and they press follow.
So I've only got, we've only got

906
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,960
this following because people
like what we're doing.

907
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,160
It's not like just some random
luck that oh, you've got all

908
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,440
these people who are like you,
isn't that lucky?

909
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:19,120
No, it's not luck.
We did it and I'm always

910
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,400
conflicted.
I'll round this up.

911
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,960
Maybe you can summarise for me
because I'm always conflicted

912
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,840
where I don't like just saying
to people, I'll just do it.

913
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,440
It's your own fault.
You're in control.

914
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Hopefully it's really clear.
What I'm saying here is you've

915
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,360
got to give yourself the
opportunity at least to get

916
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,880
lucky and and if you don't do
anything, it won't happen.

917
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,160
If you do something, it might
happen.

918
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Luckily for us, it feels like
it's happening, but my goodness

919
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,280
me, it's a slog.
And it could have been quicker.

920
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,520
Yeah, yeah.
There's, there's a, there's a

921
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,640
scope.
I I couldn't agree more and I

922
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,280
will add one more thing to this
for the people that listen now

923
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,400
think, OK, what's my thing has
to be passion LED.

924
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,520
I was to say we didn't really
mention that as passively

925
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,320
mentioned it, but I want to
actively mention it now.

926
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,560
Everything we ever did was
through passion.

927
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,040
Yeah.
We started the choosing company

928
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,240
because we were so passionate
about teaching and we were like,

929
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:01,440
what's the ultimate thing we can
do?

930
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,040
Oh, let's make our own place
where we can teach kids and no

931
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,320
one tells us what to do because
we can just teach kids exactly

932
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,920
how we think we want to do it.
Passion we we started the

933
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,360
podcast because we were
passionate about being a voice

934
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,320
in education because we felt
like teachers were getting

935
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,320
trodden on and we started with
the strikes.

936
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,280
Passion.
We got into Ed tech because we

937
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,520
were like, Oh my God, I just
like we love maths so much and

938
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,280
we're so passionate about maths
and we thought if we're coming

939
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,600
out and teaching, I need to be
doing the thing I love most in

940
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,880
teaching, which is maths.
That's my very subject.

941
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,680
How can I help as many kids as
possible?

942
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,960
Oh, let's build a cool maths bit
of software platform.

943
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,080
It's all passion.
So think to yourself, what is

944
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,800
your passion and just start
somewhere.

945
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,360
Like Dylan said, just do it and
it and it, it doesn't need to be

946
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,160
transformational and massive and
crazy.

947
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,480
We started because a couple of
kids in our class when we were

948
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,840
leaving that school that parents
said, Oh, are you doing

949
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,480
tutoring?
And we were like, yes, actually,

950
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,680
yes, we are.
And we had a couple of kids and

951
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,720
we didn't make it, didn't make
enough money to cover our

952
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:55,240
overheads of hiring our
classroom.

953
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,320
And we just did it because we
love teaching.

954
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,280
And it built and it built and it
built.

955
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,280
The wheels were in motion.
And then we got somewhere where

956
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,440
we could actually make a
decision about our lives that

957
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,240
wasn't just, oh, I'm attracting
this one thing.

958
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,080
That's it.
You just got to get the wheels

959
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,280
in motion, find a passion and
tally up how many times I said

960
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,640
wheels in motion in this.
I've been going for a bit of a

961
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,080
record.
I'm hoping I'm in the double

962
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,560
digits.
Hayden also has a stake in Hot

963
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,760
Wheels.
I don't have anyone who's got

964
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,880
there.
You got that from his passion.

965
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,200
Hot Wheels VPN.
My my passion is Manchester

966
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,600
United.
So my next one is going to we're

967
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,360
going to play for Manchester.
You're going to play for them.

968
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,520
Not even managed.
Small steps.

969
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,080
I'm just going to go to a game.
Small steps, sit on the side.

970
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,280
That's fair enough.
Run onto the pitch.

971
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,680
Yeah, small steps.
Yeah, we'll get there.

972
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,200
OK.
So my last point is keep it

973
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,240
realistic.
That's my point.

974
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,360
That's my wider point there.
Where, you know, look, you're

975
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,040
not going to get the answer that
fits everyone.

976
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,040
It really is down to you.
And we had people before who

977
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,880
very quickly on this, people
messaged us.

978
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,520
They wanted to do some tutoring
with us.

979
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,920
They wanted to become a tutor.
They were interested.

980
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,960
A couple of days later, the same
person replied back to me

981
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,040
saying, I'm just not in a
position to do it right now.

982
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,360
I've got a young family, I've
got another one on the way.

983
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,160
And I and I just said to that
person, you know that for you

984
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,000
right now, the, the situation
you're in, the best thing you

985
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,200
can do is do your job to your
degree, have your boundaries,

986
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680
talk about all the time, go
home, spend time with your

987
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,480
family.
Yeah, exactly.

988
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,720
That is rich as well.
All all this.

989
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
It's cringed me out a bit when
you're like, yeah, money, money,

990
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,760
money.
It's all about money.

991
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,640
Yeah, Rich.
How can I pay my.

992
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,400
But we're talking about
surviving.

993
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,400
That's what we're talking about
here.

994
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,760
And there are, there are
definitely points where the best

995
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,080
option would be.
OK, cool.

996
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,240
Do what you can in your job.
Stick at it.

997
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,960
You're good at it.
You've got a young family at

998
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,840
home.
The best option right now is to

999
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,440
just do that for a few more
years.

1000
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,120
I don't know about you, Hayden,
but I look at our our young

1001
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,040
families right now and I think
in 10 years I'll have more

1002
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,840
leeway and want to do more
maybe.

1003
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,800
Yeah, definitely.
Things that maybe right now I

1004
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,920
choose not to do.
Yeah.

1005
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,560
I even think back to when we
start the shooting company.

1006
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,480
Yeah.
Could I do exactly what we did

1007
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,560
then now?
Honestly, no.

1008
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,920
But I will add the middle
ground.

1009
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,200
I think the middle ground's
porting of, but I still could

1010
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,560
have got the wheels in motion
even if it was at a reduced

1011
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,000
pace, genuinely, like I still
could have at least started

1012
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,560
thinking about it.
Maybe maybe even the evening

1013
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,320
half an hour before I go to just
plan out or something.

1014
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,480
Just think, well, what would I
do?

1015
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,520
Fantasise about this situation?
It's still better than just

1016
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,520
going.
I can't do anything.

1017
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,160
And here's the only thing I'll
add to this.

1018
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,800
Sorry to add one more thing, one
more thing, one more thing, one

1019
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,200
more thing, one more thing.
Get the bills of motion.

1020
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Use your school holidays.
That's my advice to someone you

1021
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680
you get your school holidays,
erect your boundaries.

1022
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,560
I know you like that term, erect
your boundaries, erect your

1023
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,120
boundaries, really firm.
Get that right.

1024
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,480
And the reason I'm passionate
about that is because then it

1025
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,280
lets you have your free time
more in that free time.

1026
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,840
Explore these options.
Yeah, we do get 13 weeks of non

1027
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040
contact time in school.
I'm not going to say 13 weeks

1028
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,800
off because that's a lie.
We do work all the time in the

1029
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,720
holidays, but you but you can
actually manufacture that a bit

1030
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,480
to get yourself a run and being
used to it all the time.

1031
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,600
We didn't have half time.
No, we didn't have half time.

1032
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,320
We got through the time.
We did less work than maybe we

1033
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,360
wanted to.
Maybe that's why I was a bit

1034
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,520
slower, got to half time and we
basically did a week of work.

1035
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,760
Yeah, but like, just for
ourselves.

1036
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Building up our company, exactly
our companies.

1037
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,920
So use it.
Yeah, exactly.

1038
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,840
Definitely.
Well, I think I really enjoyed

1039
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,560
that.
Yeah, I hope I always feel a

1040
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
little bit like with these
episodes because I there's just

1041
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,560
something about talking about
yourself, isn't there?

1042
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,120
Your own journey that you just
think is someone going to be

1043
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,760
rolling their eyes and that
someone's going to be saying

1044
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,520
something?
Oh, whatever.

1045
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,800
These guys this and these guys
that.

1046
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,080
Well, we've missed maybe
something, but.

1047
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,200
Imagine clicking on a podcast
episode about how we quit

1048
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,440
teaching and what we did today
and then getting quenched out to

1049
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,600
talk about why we quit teaching.
I'll change the ties for the

1050
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,360
last minute completely.
Difference in the wheels in

1051
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,760
motion Hot Wheels baby.
Brought to you by non VPN

1052
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,440
sponsored by Nike.
That.

1053
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,040
That's it.
That's the nice one.

1054
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:26,320
That's it.
You clicked on this episode.

1055
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,520
That's what you came for.
Yeah, leave us a review and see

1056
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:28,960
you next time.