Ep 99: Have Ofsted Completely Lost Their Minds?

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Hi, Ofsted, just a quick one
from me.

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Teacher here.
Just wondering, saw the

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announcements this week of how
you're making reforms to how you

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judge schools and we are just
wondering what on earth are you

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thinking?
Raising standards, that's what

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we do.
We are fixing education.

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Right.
OK.

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So let's just rewind for a
second.

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If you think that's what's
happening, you did, I think a

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while ago you called it a listen
or was it?

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No, it wasn't just a listen.
It was a big listen.

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We listened big to you guys.
You did, but did you hear

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anything we said?
Because I'm pretty sure when

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teachers were typing away
saying, oh, instead of

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listening, isn't that nice, this
isn't that lovely, and we type

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it away.
I'm not sure this is what we

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asked for.
What do you take us for?

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Of course we listened.
We listened to big.

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Did you not hear that?
OK, We listened big to

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everything you said and you told
us get rid of those one word

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judgments.
It's too much pressure and

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overall judgement for our
school.

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That's nasty.
So do you know what we did?

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We scrapped them, didn't we?
Yep, that was good and we were

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very, very grateful.
I think back at the time we were

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all over like, wow, we're still
on the same page as we're

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getting rid of those one word
judgments.

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Thank you.
Also, you got rid of those

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outstanding labels and requires
improvement.

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And we thought you, you know
what?

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This is a step in the right
direction.

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But then we saw what you
replaced it with.

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Well, we replace it with a much
better system.

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We got rid of those one word
judgments that were horrible and

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putting all this pressure and
crushing schools, and we

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replaced it with nine different
standards in which we attach a

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colour.
Okay, and the colours have a one

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word attachment.
OK, it's cool.

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So just to clarify what's
happened here, you've got rid of

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one overall judgement, which is
scary and horrible, replaced it

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with a much more granular system
where we can still get judged on

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individual things massively over
the top.

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And instead of just having a
word, you've got rid of the word

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change it for a colour.
So we've got a nice lovely Nando

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system.
And then when we had the colour

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you thought, you know what these
colours need one word, attach

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them.
That is exactly what we did

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because we listened to you and
that is what you wanted.

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You're never, ever going to
change, are you?

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We changed for the.
Hello everyone, and welcome back

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to another episode of Teach
Sleep Repeat.

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My name is Dylan.
And my name is Hayden.

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We are here to listen to you and
you are listening to us, Hayden.

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You snap out of the skit now
you're not.

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You're not an absurd Ofsted
spokesperson trying to justify

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the most insane changes we've
ever seen.

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I'm so sorry, I really got into
character.

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That's fine, don't worry about
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We're going to talk about it
more a bit later on.

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OK, So if you click on this
episode, we will dive into it

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and I'm sure you're waiting to
hear exactly what we have to say

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about the new what's in dubbed
Nando's card system before

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judging your absence is Lemon
and Herb.

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Anyway, let's have a quick catch
up.

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I wanted to talk first, hey
there about something rather

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exciting because I'm not sure
what's happened in 2025 at the

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podcast.
I don't know, behind the scenes

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someone is just sharing us to an
unreal platform or just being

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pushed out there or maybe just
simply we are growing.

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But the podcast has reached #12
in the UK education charts and

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to me, when I see the people
around us huge podcasts, I find

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it insane.
But.

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Considering we weren't even in
the charts, you know, even just

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like a couple of months ago.
We've flirted with the charts

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before, we've been in and
around, we've been in the top

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150, baby, let's go.
But in the last few weeks it's

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gone insane.
So I just wanted to say a huge

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thank you to everyone who's been
listening.

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Not only 12 in the Apple
education charts for the UK,

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we're in like the top 30 for
Spotify as well.

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That's incredible.
It's just mad.

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That's a harder 1 to get into,
isn't it I?

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Think so I think their
algorithms are a bit like

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different how they judge I don't
know but at the end of the day

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these these big huge platforms
for podcasts are ranking guys at

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29 and at 12 and it's just my.
I just think it's mad because I

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don't know how people that
listen could actually help us do

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that because they clearly are
doing something and I wonder

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what that thing is that they're.
Doing maybe it's because they're

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rating us and sharing us and
doing all those good things.

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So that's what I wanted to say
first.

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Just a very quick thank you.
I'm not trying to blow around

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Trumpet too much, but you know,
we have done nearly 100 episodes

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now and this, you know, it takes
up a chunk of our week.

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We love doing it, but seeing
almost like the rewards being

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reaped in that way, it's really
nice.

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And I do have one shout out.
I've not done a shout out in a

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while, but I got a message and
basically I wanted to just

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mention three of our favourite
listeners, three of our biggest

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fans, and those people are
Theodore, Ivy and Alice.

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Now, if you're listening to this
in the car, it's because you

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have chosen to listen to teach
sleep.

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Repeating.
Because your mum says every time

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it comes on in the car and you
put something else on the

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Spotify, you 3 or complain and
moan and say go I want to put

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teach, sleep repeat on.
Hang on, how old are these?

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These are children in their
mum's car who want to listen to

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teach Sleep, repeat and they
always ask to listen to the

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Undearth story or rewind back
and have all the funny bits.

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So you three, I want to say you
are three legends.

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Your mum, she's 4th on the list
but she's a legend as well.

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But you 3 a huge thank you and I
think I think it's use for you

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has caused us to be this high in
the charts and I.

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Can't believe it.
Top listeners, we'll stick

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around because we've got a
really funny story for you in a

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moment.
Really funny story.

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I thought you were going to take
the Mick.

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Then when you started that, I
was like, here we go, it's going

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to be Rishi Sunak.
Again, top listeners.

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And it was serious.
I love that for about 6 months,

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I think we had four listeners
and one of them was Rishi Sunak.

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It was.
It was.

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Yeah.
Well, that's pretty cool.

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Yeah, that's really.
Really nice.

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So anyway, quick, quick shout
out for those guys.

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Appreciate you so much and
everyone else has been

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listening, whether you've been
listening for a long time and

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you know on what on earth Hayden
was talking about when he

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mentioned Rishi Sunak.
If you you been around for a

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while, but if you don't, well,
why don't you go back and have a

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listen anyway?
Right, Dylan, I'm jumping in

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here because I want to talk
about my week, okay?

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And I want to a very specific
thing happened in my week I've

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been looking forward to sharing
on.

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Couldn't think what that is.
And I'm sure you couldn't

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because it definitely doesn't
have to do with you ruining my

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day going.
SO I was teaching PE this week

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and I had, you know, I went
outside, we're doing some

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tennis.
It was fantastic using the whole

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playground, brilliant kids
learning, all because of my

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fantastic PE guidance, because
I'm such a PE specialist.

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You see, I'm a specialist in
every subject because I'm a

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primary school teacher And.
And I just happened to be

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standing near Dylan's classroom.
Yeah, we can see out into the

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playground.
And I thought, well, I don't get

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too.
I told, I told my kids.

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I said, oh, guys, come back a
little bit.

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I said, I don't wanna go too
close to those classrooms.

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Don't disturb their learning
because, you know, they'll get

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annoyed at me for constantly
hitting tennis balls at that

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window or whatever.
Next thing I know, door opens,

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extremely dramatic.
Whole class at the windows like

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this, like, as if they're like,
oh, no, we're trying to escape.

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OK, Child bombs it at me and
shows me a picture.

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It's me fall in half.
I'm thinking, what on earth is

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he doing?
So can you sign this?

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Can you sign this?
I need your signature.

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We need your autograph.
The whole class needs your

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autograph.
Open it up, Dylan.

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Take over.
What was inside?

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It was a picture of our good
friend the priest Keith Hebden.

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We we who looks astonishingly
like you.

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And we we had printed this
picture.

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We were doing RE lesson all
about we're doing Christianity

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at the minute and we were
talking about how in the lead up

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to Holy Week and Easter's coming
up, we've talked about Keith

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Hebden, who is a priest who went
on a hunger strike and runs food

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banks and his big push was how
to help people who need it the

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most.
I know I did it.

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I'm telling me for.
Well, the point is, I'd printed

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off some like clues about him to
dot around the classroom when we

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were like gathering information,
so one of them was just a

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picture of him.
But he very clearly looks like a

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priest.
He has got the dog collar on and

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he does bear a striking
resemblance to you, like he's

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bold, You've got a similar face
and you've got the dog collar on

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and, and I and I don't.
Normally wear that.

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Just to clarify, I don't
normally wear the collar at

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school.
You don't.

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You don't believe it's funny
because you're not religious at

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all.
This is why it's funny.

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Anyway, I printed off some clues
like some some quotes from him,

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whatever.
And we spread them round and the

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kids came in from lunch and this
child said to me, are we

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learning about Mr Stevens this
afternoon?

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Because he saw the picture And I
was like, Oh my God.

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And it wasn't even just like,
oh, he's bored.

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Isn't that funny?
It was like he literally thought

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it looked like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's so funny to me.
So anyway, we're doing our

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lesson on Keith, Keith Hebden.
And his story is quite amazing.

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Really.
Like, genuinely, the kids were

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like, that's really cool, isn't
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Yeah, no problem.
But this one kid couldn't let go

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of the fact that this person
really looks like.

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And the picture of him was stuck
on my wall.

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Yeah.
And he put his hand up.

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I was obviously in the flow of
teaching, and I was just not

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thinking.
I was like, yeah.

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And he went, can I take the
picture out to Mr Stevens,

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please?
And I said and and to be fair, I

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looked and you were like mid
modelling amazingly.

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Can I say how to serve a tennis
ball?

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I mean, I didn't think you'd be
able to do it, but you look like

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a mini Roger Federer out there.
Yeah, this is amazing.

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And I was like, no, we can't.
Look, we're in the middle of our

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lesson.
And I was just saying all this

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stuff.
Really.

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I was like, you're just busy.
I was like, OK, not right now.

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He was like, oh, OK, So we then
carried on and just for context,

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we've done maths and English in
the morning.

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We're doing an RE lesson and
we're trying to fit in two

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lessons in the afternoon.
It's an intense day for the

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kids.
And obviously after you've done

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a bit of input, the kids were
just practising, doing their

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drills and you're just kind of
walking around.

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And I was like, do you know
what?

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Do you know what?
I'm going to make this happen.

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This is the moment.
So I took I took the picture off

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the wall, I folded it.
And I said, guys, listen, you're

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working really hard, OK?
You're working really, really

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hard.
So after this, you're going to

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come in, we're going to do it.
We're going to finish up our

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tasks, then we're going to do
some DT, OK?

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We're going to get ready for
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And they're like, yeah, OK, why
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So I got the kid over and I
said, here you go.

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Give this.
Go out to Mr Stevens now, take

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this pen and ask him to sign the
picture of him.

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So he, this kid has never been
more excited.

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My whole Class A sudden like
what, what, what?

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And that's what they're doing.
Like they stood up and like,

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it's okay, I can sacrifice 3
minutes of this afternoon to

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give them something to hold on
to, a bit of fun.

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So he bombed it out.
He got to the door and I was

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like wait, wait, wait, wait.
And I checked you were OK and I

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was like, yeah, OK, go on then.
And he?

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Did you should have seen his
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Honestly, if you ever want to
get your children to run more

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quickly, do something like this.
He was running like that, Yeah,

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straight up to you.
And then he put it back in and

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you had signed it.
But you didn't decide it, did

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you?
I can't remember what I put.

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What am I right?
You put Saint Stephen's the

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third.
Oh yes, I was like, I'm going to

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do.
So now it's on a whiteboard.

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It lives there now.
And honestly, the kids were so

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engaged afterwards, they did
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We cracked.
And I think the whole story here

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is just, you know, what?
If you have those moments with

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your kids, it's OK.
You know, don't feel guilty.

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Don't feel what if this, what if
that?

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You know what?
It was 3 minutes.

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There'll be sometimes where it's
absolutely not the right thing

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to do.
You want to control your class

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wherever you're fine.
But do you know, there are some

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moments where as a professional,
you can just choose to do

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something like that?
And it was funny.

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Especially when it's at my
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Exactly.
You know what I mean?

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It's much funnier.
I almost take the disruption to

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my lesson.
If it's at your expense, you

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know what?
That's that's a sacrifice.

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I'm willing.
So my year sixes obviously were

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a bit like what Earth has just
gone on there.

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They were trying to play tennis,
looking at me thinking what's

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going on?
They said what was that about?

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I said, oh, just kids trying to
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They were like what?
I said what were you signing?

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I was like, oh, just a picture
of a priest.

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They were like what?
I was like, don't worry about

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it, don't worry about it.
Just practise yourself.

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There's.
Too much to explain, They just

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wouldn't get it to explain it.
Obviously it was so funny, but

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you know what?
It was funny and it made my day

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as well because it was
hilarious.

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And the idea that those kids
just had a few moments of fun

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and then back to latitude or
whatever.

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No, back to the actual lesson of
of the guy.

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Nice lesson.
Yeah, but yeah.

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And he actually looked like you.
That was so funny.

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That's what was so funny about
it is you dressed as a priest

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like the most, the biggest
oxymoron I can think of you

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being a whole.
Can you imagine?

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Imagine me as a priest.
Oh dear.

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Anyway, yeah, we had a message
from someone this week.

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I wanted to reflect on it and I
wanted, I wanted to kind of open

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this not kind of worms, let's
say, but almost challenge

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ourselves a bit because the the
message did challenge us a bit

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as well.
And it was from someone saying

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they loved the podcast, they
they'd seen how we're climbing

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the charts now.
It's great.

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I love that you're reaching more
people right now, a really

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positive message.
And part of that positive

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message is, and part of the
thing we love with you guys

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listening is when you challenge
what we say a bit.

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And and the main bulk of his
message was, oh, and by the way,

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he said you'll have to pass this
on to Hayden because he knows

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Hayden does absolutely nothing
for the podcast.

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He said yeah, yeah, he said that
bit.

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Yeah, yeah.
He's very specific.

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So I'm trying to make sure that,
you know, it's because you do

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nothing.
I'm bring it up now.

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So.
So in general, he basically

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asked, you know, he said you
guys seem so passionate about

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leading maths, which we are
really passionate about teaching

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in general, which we are.
We absolutely love helping the

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kids out.
It's like Our Calling, almost.

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But when we talk about SLT in
general, this person's part of

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SLT, and he just feels a bit
like he he doesn't like how we

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use the term.
And I thought, you know, we've

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talked about this.
Yeah.

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He's probably right, He's
probably right because we have

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because you know what, at the
end of the day, this podcast,

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right?
A lot of what we do in this

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podcast is we call out the
rubbish.

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We call out the toxicity in this
sector.

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And unfortunately, unfortunately
for SLTA lot of that toxicity

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starts at the top.
So we quite often talk about

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this notion of toxic.
SLTI have tried to in the past,

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but I mean, you'd have to go
back some episodes when we

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really focused on this, try to
say a few disclaimers along the

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way of like, by the way, we
don't think this about

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everybody, but we are just here
to call out the ones that are

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doing a bad job.
Do you know what I mean?

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Is that what he was getting out
of the face?

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It was a bit.
Because the message, the message

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essentially was saying how
completely understands how there

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are totic totic SLT out there.
But but from his point of view

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as SLT who feels like he's
trying to do the right thing.

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And I'll so many of leaders out
there do that.

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And it is such a tough job.
It did just make me stop and

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think for a second like, do you
know what?

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I'm not, I'm not going to stop
calling out the stuff I don't

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think we ever should.
I think it's a big reason why

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lots of people are listening to
us because it validates what a

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lot of people think and feel
like.

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They can't say, but I do think
there is room for, for sure for

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us to talk about really good
leaders.

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Yeah, definitely.
And one example of that is the

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fact we got a comment this week
on our Instagrams simply saying,

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do your SLT know about your
social media presence and what

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you're doing?
And I replied saying, do you

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know what?
Yeah.

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And they, we talk about it
sometimes and they very much

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know what's going on.
They respect that we have the

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the the opinions that we do and
we want to talk about in the way

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we do because we're not
disrespectful to them at all.

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I think they understand that
although we might not always

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match up completely on what we
think, we're a professional and

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we're allowed to have an
opinion.

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And, and it kind of, it struck
me because the reply was, wow,

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that's great.
I don't think many would agree.

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And I just thought, I don't
think anything we say really

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crosses a line other than I
don't want you to say that.

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You know, I can't imagine SLT
saying, oh, that's horrendous.

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That's being really rude and
personally horrible to me.

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I'm but no I'm just my opinion
is that we shouldn't have to do

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6 hours of work at the weekend.
Yeah.

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And even should you?
Yeah.

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That's the thing we always say
isn't it is like we don't ever

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say, but SLT should.
Yeah.

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Head teachers should be doing
all this extra work.

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They should bear the burden.
You know, that's not actually

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what we're saying, I think.
I think when you go up ladders

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in general, in jobs you do
generally, you are generally

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paid more because there is more
of a burden to to bear.

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I understand that idea.
So do you know what it might

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transpire that actually SLT and
heads maybe do do a bit more of

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that outside of school and they
feel like, oh, I should do it

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though, because I'm being paid
70 grand a year.

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Do you know what I mean?
Like a bit, but it's but I would

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never sit here and say teachers,
we don't have to do any of this

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stuff.
But SLT, you might use your

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fault.
So you should be going home and

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doing all my marking.
I'm not saying that.

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I mean, we're never saying.
I hope that doesn't come across.

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And I think a big thing is like
attitude of SLT is what we talk

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about a lot.
And I just think that if, if

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your base attitude is, you
shouldn't be saying that.

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I was like, OK, can we look at
what I'm saying rather than

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whether I should be saying it or
not?

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Yeah, Yeah.
Can we can we look at the actual

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substance of the conversation
we're trying to have?

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And I think I'm just going to
say now because of what this

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person has said, I do think
there are so many amazing

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leaders out there.
Yeah.

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And to be honest with you, when
we post on social media and I

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see you don't obviously because
you don't have anything to do.

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I don't have anything.
So what I see a lot of are, you

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know, heads commenting, yeah, a
lot of heads saying, John, I

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wish I could do this for my
staff.

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The budget restraints are
horrible.

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Or I do this for my staff.
I push.

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I push this as much as I can.
I see a lot of positive

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leadership out there.
And I I just want those amazing

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leaders to know that when we
talk about SLTI, hope you you

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don't take it personally.
And I hope that your overriding

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thought is, wow, I'm never going
to be like that.

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Yeah, rather than all these guys
are calling me now because I'm

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absolutely not.
Yeah, yeah.

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And at the end of the day is a
scale.

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You're not a toxic SLT or an
amazing SLT like there is.

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You know what the realistic side
is.

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There probably is a huge middle
ground where where people are

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trying their hardest to do the
right thing.

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But because of the constraints
of this system, which we

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constantly say is broken by the
way.

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And we know that you're kind of
forced to maybe do things that

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you don't even really want to
do.

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But it's like, unless I do, the
kids don't even get taught this

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week.
So I do get it that there's a

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there's a space in that middle
there of like people trying so

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hard to do the right thing.
But occasionally being that, you

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know, that they're forced to do
perhaps an approach that isn't

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even really what they want to do
in an ideal situation.

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So that is different.
We're not, we're not calling you

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out.
We're calling out the people who

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are literally wake up in the
morning and like, like, I'm

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going to be toxic and I'm going
to continue to promote a toxic

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culture in my school.
Because I'm in charge and what I

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say goes and I'm going to make
sure it changed because I saw

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this thing and I'm going to have
no absolute thought for what

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it's going to do to affect you.
It's better for my school, I

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think.
So I've decided we're all doing.

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It Yeah.
Do you know what the big one of

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the biggest indicators for me is
is when people, when people

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genuinely, and I think many do
is when they genuinely,

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wholeheartedly believe the only
thing, the only thing that

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matters in the school is the
progress of the kids.

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Yeah, when someone has that as
the only thing, it's like, OK,

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this is probably not going to be
a good place to work.

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I think it should be a big
thing.

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That is literally, it's kind of
our jobs.

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I get it, all right.
But when it's your only thing

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you think about as an as an SLT
member, you're going to end up

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being toxic.
I'm just going to say that.

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So the fact that this person's
even commenting and thinking

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about it, the fact that you're
even reflecting tells me

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immediately you're not those,
You're not that person.

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You're not that person.
Those people aren't listening to

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this.
They don't care.

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They don't.
They literally do not care.

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And it's that it's that almost
toxic use of phrases like, you

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know, getting better never
stops, or we can always do more

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or there's no standing still.
And it on the surface again, if

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it seems amazing, but this job
really is a bottomless pit.

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So when you are only driven by
data and data points and moving

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children doing this, you become
like the Academy trust leaders

450
00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,440
who decide to exclude children
because they're worse for data.

451
00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,760
Like when you are only thinking
about data and we say, oh, it's

452
00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,600
our job to think about data.
Do you know what in that expect

453
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,480
it's absolutely not our job.
Our job is to look after those

454
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,520
children who you've decided to
exclude because your data will

455
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,760
look worse.
You have failed those children.

456
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,720
So it does become it gets to the
point where just focusing on

457
00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,840
data is actually detrimental as
well, rather than making the

458
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,400
school look good on ADFE chart
that you could go to and point

459
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,480
to fantastic.
But you know what what about

460
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,840
this?
What about the welfare?

461
00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,480
What about your staff?
And I just think it's just such

462
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,360
a big, big picture that it's
just, it's too simplistic to

463
00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,400
just be like, well, my data is
good, so everything I do is

464
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,560
justify.
It it's kind of like a last

465
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,400
episode, isn't it, where we're
talking about different metrics

466
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,720
to measure, Like what What makes
good, what makes education good?

467
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,520
Is education good for children
these days?

468
00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,080
We talked about it and we're
like, yeah, it is if you just

469
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,600
focus on the metrics you want to
focus on.

470
00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,040
Do you know what I mean?
It's exactly the same idea,

471
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,400
isn't it?
Well, my school's great because

472
00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,360
my data is great.
It's OK.

473
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,160
Your your teachers hate being
there, though.

474
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,920
And the children aren't even
that happy.

475
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,640
They're getting good data, but
they're not happy.

476
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,600
Do you know what I mean?
Like, you don't measure those,

477
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,720
Don't measure those.
So it doesn't matter.

478
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,840
And we're not saying for anyone
who likes to see us mention one

479
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,440
thing and then make it think
that we ignore everything else.

480
00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,080
We're not saying data is
pointless.

481
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,400
We're not saying that.
We're saying it's a bigger

482
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,640
picture.
This happened this week.

483
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,200
OK, We, we, I did a reel from
last episode about this amazing

484
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,280
PPA initiative for teachers.
And if you listen to last week,

485
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,080
you might remember it, but it
was basically that this school

486
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,840
had to given staff a day a week
of PPA instead of half a day.

487
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,120
And that was, it could happen
because they do Forest School

488
00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:26,680
that day, they do PE and they do
art with a specialist teacher.

489
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,880
And the point was that the
school had invested in this.

490
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,520
We can talk about the budget
separately.

491
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,600
I mean, I'd love to see that
budget.

492
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,960
I'd love to see what's going on.
But the point being that it was

493
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,040
an amazing initiative for
teachers because teachers PPA

494
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,560
doesn't cover the extra work
they have to do.

495
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,320
And just so we're all clear, we
know that teachers are expected

496
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,720
to do work outside of the
classroom.

497
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,440
It's literally part of our
contract.

498
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,520
We have directed time and we
also have that clause which says

499
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,160
also there is a reasonable
amount and the whole debate

500
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,440
comes into what's reasonable,
there's a reason about our work

501
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,480
we have to do outside of
directed time to meet the

502
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,680
standards, etcetera.
And that's what's abused by

503
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,480
people a lot of the time.
So we already know PPA for half

504
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,160
day isn't enough.
So this half day it was just

505
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,280
like a feel good post about this
head who's thinking about the

506
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,680
well-being of his staff. 70% of
the comments on that reel.

507
00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:18,360
Were from teaching assistants,
support staff people do an

508
00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:22,520
amazing job in school, but
almost being immediately angry

509
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,000
and and they were saying things
like, oh, well, that's great for

510
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,760
the teachers, but what about the
Tasmania?

511
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,640
OK, that's fantastic.
But I've I'm ATA and I've got to

512
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,960
do this and I don't get any prep
time.

513
00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:34,080
Oh, it'll just be the Tasmania
covering what about their

514
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,320
well-being?
And I just thought to myself,

515
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,200
that is not what I'm talking
about.

516
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,880
Like this is a reel about APPA
situation for teachers.

517
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,360
That's really good for teachers.
We have no idea if TAS are at a

518
00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:49,720
detriment because of this
policy.

519
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,560
I didn't mention them.
I can't talk about everything in

520
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,200
one reel.
I didn't talk about admin staff.

521
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,880
I didn't talk about SLTI, didn't
talk about office staff.

522
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,320
I didn't talk about the
caretaker.

523
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,680
There are so many amazing people
in school who do really

524
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,440
important jobs, but I can't
mention all of them in every

525
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,800
single reel I do.
And I'm a teacher, so I'm

526
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,360
talking about my experience and
what I would like.

527
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,440
Like, I can't mention it.
Like if it's like someone

528
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,160
commenting honestly and saying,
oh, don't you care about animal

529
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,360
cruelty?
Yeah, of course I do.

530
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,360
Yeah, all the teachers getting
their PPA.

531
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,000
Do you know how many animals
suffered whilst they're doing

532
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,200
that?
Do you know how many?

533
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,600
Do you know how many worms were?
Stepped on in forest school yeah

534
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,760
OK that's also bad Like I get it
don't extrapolate because what I

535
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,200
think what more than anything
was the almost suggestion that

536
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,160
we don't care about TA's support
stuff are amazing and.

537
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,880
But you know what, I thought,
let's let's take a moment

538
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,880
because my thought on that is I
can see what is a bit like, oh,

539
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,080
it's annoying because I missed
the point.

540
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,680
Yeah.
But you know what, There is a

541
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,080
point though, and let's just
give them some love for a

542
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,040
minute.
Yeah, We don't talk about

543
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,760
Tasmania loads on this podcast.
We occasionally big them up and

544
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,880
say, yeah, you're doing a crazy
job.

545
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,480
But we talk about teachers
because we're teachers, all

546
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,840
right?
We talk about teachers because

547
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,760
we're teachers.
We're talking about our

548
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,760
experience.
But Tasmania, do you know what

549
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,400
they are incredible.
We often say that, you know

550
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,680
that, but but the situation that
Tasmania are in.

551
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,320
So if you're listening, you're a
teaching assistant.

552
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,000
We, we feel you.
We understand the situation

553
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,760
we're in because the pay has
been stagnated for Tasmania just

554
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,160
as much, if anything worse than
it has for teachers.

555
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,400
I know that at the moment the
unions are fighting for £3000 to

556
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,560
be added, which isn't even like
a crazy amount really.

557
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,480
The fact that there's even going
to be pushback on that is

558
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,880
insulting to you because you are
the backbone of our schools.

559
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,520
We can't do, we can't function
in a school without the support

560
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,960
of Tasmania.
It's impossible.

561
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,640
I work with IS already as
teachers, it's already

562
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,040
unmanageable.
So anything the TAS are doing to

563
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,840
support in the classroom, to
support outside the classroom

564
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,080
besides the classroom, whatever
it is your role is, we need you

565
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,360
in the schools and we know that
you end up covering as well in a

566
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,200
lot of schools.
This is like something I'm going

567
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,920
to call out as just, it's just
crazy part of our system.

568
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,360
A lot of Tas end up basically
being teachers because they're

569
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:51,320
cover supervisors.
Classic HLTA cover supervisors.

570
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,160
Okay, what do I do?
Well, on the odd day you might

571
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,680
have to be pulled out of class
to cover a lesson.

572
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,040
You know what happens five days
a week?

573
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,760
You're covering 3 lessons a day
and you end up doing as much as

574
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,080
a teacher and then you don't get
any PPA yourselves.

575
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,960
So I get it.
Like these are all issues that I

576
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,480
think are dreadful and I'm sure
you agree with this and we

577
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,240
should do something about it.
So just giving you a little bit

578
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,040
of love at the moment and saying
that we hear you and we do with

579
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,680
a big listen and go back into
office mode.

580
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,120
The big listen here, we're
listening.

581
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,000
But in all seriousness, we know
it.

582
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,040
We know it's dire, just as dire
for TA as it is for teachers.

583
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,720
Yeah.
This, this two kind of prongs to

584
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,640
this for me because I also think
we need to absolutely go out of

585
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,960
a way to help well-being for
teachers.

586
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,800
Sorry for teaching assistants
and support staff in general,

587
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,920
whether it's the family liaison
office or whoever it is, support

588
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,360
staff in general.
But there are two prongs to

589
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,720
doing that for me.
And I think maybe because we

590
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,280
work in a school where I think
it does take it quite seriously

591
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,880
at TAS contract in general, I
think that that is really seen

592
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,400
as OK.
Look, the first way we can

593
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,600
really help with teaching
assistant well-being is that we

594
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,640
absolutely do not expect you to
do anything outside of your

595
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,280
hours.
Yeah.

596
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,760
So if it, if it comes to prep
for a group that I've got to do

597
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,440
I, I absolutely would never,
ever, ever expect a teaching

598
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,920
assistant to have to go home and
prep that.

599
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,240
No, I would build in some time
within their contract, even if

600
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,440
it means I'm coming out of the
classroom path now because I've

601
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,720
decided if this group is that
important, I value your time too

602
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,520
much to expect anything for free
from you.

603
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,000
So the first problem would be to
really respect a teaching

604
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,360
assistants contract.
That's one way to go about

605
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,760
fixing this because it sounds to
me as from the comments,

606
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,600
teaching assistants and support
staff are being completely

607
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,040
exploited.
I had one person mention they're

608
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,360
a teaching assistant and they
have a read write in Group and

609
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,160
they have 12 kids and they're
just doing the teacher job.

610
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,000
They're literally.
Just.

611
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,440
Teaching, they're just prepping.
They're just teaching phonics.

612
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,360
They are they I say just what I
mean is they're literally a

613
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,800
teacher.
The school have gone Oh, that's,

614
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,240
that's a nice cheap teacher.
They're prepping, they're

615
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,920
marking, they're assessing.
They're just doing a group as a

616
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,360
teaching assistant.
Hang on, what the school's done

617
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,080
is they've gone.
Are those kids going to get us

618
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,800
the right data?
No, they're a little bit,

619
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,080
they're a little bit too low
ability.

620
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,240
Shove them with the TA, cheap
TA.

621
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,240
Let's crack on with the kids who
are key marginals.

622
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,960
They're really close to getting
our data.

623
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,320
Let's give them.
We talked about last week.

624
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,360
That's probably what.
Happened and it's it's

625
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,880
horrendous because that teaching
assistants probably doing an

626
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,760
amazing teaching job, not on the
teaching salary.

627
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,120
No should not be expected to do
anything extra at all.

628
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,360
And the other flip side like you
just said is HLTAS or Tasmania

629
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,400
in general who are covering
basically all week should get

630
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,080
some PPA.
I've got a story when I started

631
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,440
my teaching as a newly qualified
teacher or an ECT, you get your

632
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,400
half day PPA every week, but you
also get an extra half day.

633
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,480
And we called it NQT time.
I don't know what it's, maybe

634
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,960
it's called ECT time now, I
don't know.

635
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,640
But just time basically because
you're really just getting your

636
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,680
foot in the door and learning.
Here's a bit of extra release

637
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,720
time.
So as as a, as a, a new teacher,

638
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,440
you get the equivalent of a day
out every week.

639
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,720
And it's almost like what we're
saying all teachers should get.

640
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,080
But it was really, really
useful.

641
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,800
And I remember there was a HLTA
at our school that I started

642
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,440
teaching at who was like the
mother of the school.

643
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,920
I know exactly who you're
talking about.

644
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,720
The most amazing woman.
I still, like, just think I'm in

645
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,520
awe.
Like, as a new teacher, watching

646
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,760
her with the kids and stuff.
Yeah.

647
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,680
She was, like, one of the top
five teachers in the school.

648
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,400
And she was a HLTA on a teaching
assistant wage, completely

649
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,120
exploited every week because
you'd walk into the staff room

650
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,760
and you'd see the cover board.
Yeah.

651
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,800
And her initials were genuinely
on every single half of every

652
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,120
single day so that she'd be
covering in this class in the

653
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,720
morning on Monday, that class in
the morning in the afternoon on

654
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,960
Monday, next for same for
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

655
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,920
Friday, all let's say 10 slots
of ampm during the five day week

656
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,080
she was covering.
And I, I went up to her.

657
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,760
I remember I had a conversation
with her and I just said, you're

658
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,120
teaching more than me right now.
You're, you are teaching more

659
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,120
than I am.
And I am on a teacher's wage

660
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:37,080
that is basically double yours,
and you're teaching more than

661
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,320
me.
Is that not crazy?

662
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,040
And she basically went, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

663
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,040
It's on.
But you know what?

664
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,120
Yeah.
It's my job.

665
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,720
You know, I just, I love, I love
teaching the kids.

666
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,320
I'm just going to crack on.
And it's that amazing attitude

667
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,280
that is exploited up and down
this country that I just get so

668
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,960
angry with.
And then when people get annoyed

669
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,760
at us for being negative or
anything, I don't care.

670
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,480
Because that amazing woman who
does an unbelievable job, if

671
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,960
it's negative for me to say that
she should be treated with a bit

672
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,680
more respect to be given time to
do something, all the money for

673
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,800
the job she was doing, then call
me negative because I do not

674
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,160
care because that should be
called out and fixed

675
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,480
immediately.
It's disgusting.

676
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,120
I agree, I agree and someone
might.

677
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,400
Do you know what someone come
along and say?

678
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Didn't have to plan those
lessons though, did she?

679
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,080
At the weekend covering.
OK, Yeah.

680
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,480
Do you know what, though?
Start to prep them, prep them,

681
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,120
teach them and mark them.
Which is like at least 2/3 of

682
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,640
that of that job for half the
pay.

683
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,160
Yeah, exactly.
No PPA, no time out, no break.

684
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,600
You could even argue with the
pay.

685
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Just give some time to just get
your heading gear.

686
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,640
Just look through some.
When is she looking through the

687
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,520
lessons?
I know.

688
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,880
Yeah.
Because you're not not only is

689
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,200
it just like, OK, I'm in year 4,
another year 4 curriculum.

690
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,760
I don't really need to prep too
much.

691
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,120
Oh, I'm doing determiners.
I've done determiners before.

692
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,000
How difficult going to be?
Take me 5 minutes.

693
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Often the HRTAS are teaching
themselves the lesson

694
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,720
beforehand.
So even if they didn't have to

695
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,320
plan it, here it is.
Here's the smart.

696
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,680
And the amount of times I've
spoken to A10, they've gone, oh,

697
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,120
can I just look at tomorrow's
lesson, please?

698
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,400
Because I'm not sure what we're
doing.

699
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,200
And I talked them through it.
That is.

700
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,440
That's prep.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

701
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,680
That counts as prep.
And just add to that across

702
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,520
multiple year groups, you just
said when you're in your own

703
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,400
year group, you kind of get
confident because you're, you

704
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,240
know, I'm know that I'm going to
be in year 6 tomorrow and the

705
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,000
day after year 2, then year 6,
then year 3, then year 4, then

706
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,360
year one.
It's like, that's mad.

707
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,080
And then just to, just to finish
this off, the, the biggest

708
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,240
insult is the HLTA is supposed
to be prestigious, right?

709
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Comes with more pay.
It's negligibly more than like

710
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
just not being an HLA, isn't it?
Less than a pound?

711
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,920
An hour?
I have no idea, but I.

712
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,520
Know it's I know when back then
because I remember I remember

713
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,520
talking to her, she was quite
open.

714
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,080
It was like 1500 lbs more a year
than just being ATA, just

715
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
supporting in the classroom as
normal to be a HRTI was like, so

716
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,960
you're going from zero teaching
to teaching every single day all

717
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,240
week and you've been paid £1500
more a year for this, like on

718
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,040
top of your like 14,000 lbs
salary.

719
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,280
It was, it was just so insulting
for what this person was doing.

720
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,880
When I'm sat there thinking I'm
a new teacher, a teaching car,

721
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,600
not even as much as you because
you're actually covering my

722
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,400
lessons this week for one of
them because I'm, I get time out

723
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,760
because I'm a newly qualified
teacher and I'm being paid like

724
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,560
15 grand more than you.
And you know I loved about.

725
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,160
This person in particular was
always had a smile on their

726
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,120
face, was the nicest person in
the world, so supportive and I

727
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,760
feel like when I look back at my
journey and starting off as a

728
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,600
teacher.
I got lots of help from

729
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,560
teachers, don't get me wrong,
but it really was specifically

730
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,000
those motherly TA figures.
And I think of a few from that

731
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,280
school to be honest with me who
I really felt kind of took me

732
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,120
under their wing and, and helped
me and kind of shielded me from

733
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,800
all the rubbish that comes with
it early on because they took on

734
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,200
so much of it and really helped
me.

735
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,120
So I'm so appreciative.
And I think a big part of my

736
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,200
reaction to lots of those
comments was I don't think you

737
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,040
understand how much I love and
care about Tasmania.

738
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,080
And I really think it's a
problem.

739
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,720
So please don't assume because
I'm talking about one thing that

740
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,440
it means the other thing is like
not important because it really

741
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,240
is.
You've nailed it on the head

742
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,720
there.
That's.

743
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,800
That's where it feels a bit like
a oh, I'm getting your back up

744
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,520
because it's like, no, because I
agree with all you guys and

745
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,720
you're all commenting as if I
don't.

746
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Yeah, I get it.
But yeah, big love to Tasmania.

747
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,120
We think you're amazing.
I think it's an incredible role

748
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,760
in schools.
It needs fixing as along with

749
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,280
everything else.
So we're sorry that it's not

750
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,400
being fixed as quickly as it
should be now.

751
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Going.
Against the popular belief that

752
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,240
I don't do anything for this
podcast, we had a submission

753
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,320
this week.
Dylan, did you know that it's

754
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,480
listening, saying it as well?
Sorry.

755
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Sorry, did you?
No, not just.

756
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:13,920
This.
It's just you.

757
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,440
Wait, Sorry, wait.
We had a submission.

758
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,280
This week, how did?
You know, did you know that?

759
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Dylan The.
Answer is no you didn't because

760
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,160
I saw it, because I do check our
emails, I say now.

761
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,120
We had about 40 submissions each
week, so right well, one of

762
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,000
them.
One of them I intercepted

763
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,600
because I saw it come through on
her e-mail.

764
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Joking no seriously picked up on
ping up my phone and I was like

765
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,440
this is really good did you
delete it?

766
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,520
I deleted.
It I put it in the.

767
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Archive in our In our because I
didn't want you to see it.

768
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,880
So I I've got it on my phone
because I thought the password

769
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,520
for the e-mail.
No.

770
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,680
What is it?
Yeah, so it's a really short

771
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,680
submission.
It made me laugh.

772
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,680
And I thought this is perfect to
tell them on the podcast because

773
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,960
it'll make you laugh.
OK OK so someone said I emailed

774
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,520
this in and said I work in A2
form.

775
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Oh, sorry, not that bit.
That's.

776
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,240
The funny bit.
No, the funny bit's coming up.

777
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,560
OK, sorry.
I work in A2 form mainstream

778
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,600
school.
That's the funny bit.

779
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Oh sorry I missed you.
Missed it.

780
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,960
Anyway, I'll carry on.
I work in A2 form mainstream

781
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400
school and we have daily
occurrences of racist,

782
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,080
homophobic language, fat
shaming, children, telling staff

783
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,120
to F off, calling them names,
children going berserk in class,

784
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440
throwing things, flipping
furniture, storming out.

785
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,400
Sorry, where's the funny?
Right?

786
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Hang on, hang on, it's coming
up.

787
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,640
But luckily that guy on
Instagram told you that teachers

788
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,960
aren't leaving for behaviour so
it's all good.

789
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,360
You.
Would love you remember you.

790
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,000
You took the Mick out of that
Instagram comment.

791
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,920
That was that person.
Oh.

792
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,920
My God.
OK, All right.

793
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,000
When you say I've got a funny
message and the first half is

794
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,960
that I was like I was waiting
for your face to.

795
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Drop I was like, I'm going to
say this and Dylan's going to be

796
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,320
like, Oh no, Hayden, we need to
delete this whole episode

797
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,280
because you're wrong.
Just.

798
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,480
These things aren't funny yeah
that was insane like I I this

799
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,360
isn't really a rile up, but I'm
going to not be riled up so I'm

800
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,440
going to really control myself
here, but that was insane and I

801
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,720
think we've we've referenced
this before that's hilarious

802
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
that person seen.
Are.

803
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
You the real about how a teacher
said they left because of

804
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,120
behaviour and what their comment
was teachers aren't even because

805
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,520
of behaviour.
Yeah, and that's exactly.

806
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,240
All there are.
There are 20 people in the

807
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,880
comments saying they left
because of behaviour.

808
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,640
The person in the real, the
teacher left because of

809
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,840
behaviour.
But you're you.

810
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080
You just have this ideological
like stance in your head.

811
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Then it's not because of
behaviour, it's because

812
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,760
everything else doesn't exist.
Don't know it's.

813
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Because of behaviour.
Because you know.

814
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,080
What when someone throws a chair
at me that might make me not

815
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,600
want to come to work?
Actually like, and I'm laughing

816
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080
because it's so stupid.
I'm not laughing at the

817
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,000
situation in the same way we're
not laughing at the fact that

818
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,600
this person obviously works in a
really challenging school

819
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,720
behaviour wise.
But he was just, he was, you

820
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,800
know, he was being ironic and
taking the Mick out of the fact

821
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,760
that he's going, you know,
completely squashed though,

822
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,480
because someone on Instagram
said no, no, you don't.

823
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
So, oh, OK, thank you, Mike.
Thank you for invalidating my

824
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,840
entire life and existence.
Exactly.

825
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,360
Their point was.
That it's, it's not behaviour,

826
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,040
it's pay.
There's always a line that

827
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,840
people would take because
they'll take the amount of money

828
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,320
to do it.
Like if someone paid you

829
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,680
£1,000,000 a year, do you know
what?

830
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Yeah, OK.
Throw a chair at me for

831
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920
£1,000,000 a year.
Throw a chair at my head every

832
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,720
day.
I'd.

833
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,560
I'd take that probably.
I can't wait to work a million.

834
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,640
Pounds because I don't know I'll
be spending it on anyone out

835
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,320
there wants to pay me.
£1,000,000 a year to throw a

836
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,080
chair at my head every day.
Get in touch, OK, teach, steep,

837
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,840
repeat pod@gmail.com whatever.
I don't even know what the

838
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,160
e-mail is.
It's in the episode I do because

839
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,640
I actually.
Inserted it and it is exactly

840
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,800
what you just said.
But yeah, I mean, it's just

841
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,440
like, get a grip and and do you
know what?

842
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,920
There's a wider point when a
teacher or someone in education

843
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,440
says their experience in a
school, what happened to them?

844
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,320
OK, the reply, You can have a
chat about how widespread it is.

845
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,640
You can have a chat about
whether it's a problem or not,

846
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,280
like, or you can say, oh, well,
in general, maybe this or maybe

847
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,240
that, Maybe you could have done
that.

848
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,880
What you can't do is just say to
that person that, yeah, no, no,

849
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,920
didn't, no, didn't happen.
Doesn't happen because you just

850
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
look and seem insane.
OK, you cannot like something.

851
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,680
You can be uncomfortable with
someone's opinion on something,

852
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,800
but you can't tell them that
that's not their opinion.

853
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,080
Or what literally happened to
that is that is called we call.

854
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,920
That gas lighting, it happens a
lot in education.

855
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,600
And you know, and you know what,
because I know we're getting

856
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,560
into this episode, but I just
want to finish this section.

857
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,600
I've got a few while outs, but I
just want to do one.

858
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,840
I've got one thing I saw and it
kind of links to that SLT

859
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880
conversation.
And This is why I want to speak

860
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,920
to that person again.
Even though we know there's

861
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,360
loads of good SLT out there,
this is the kind of thing this

862
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520
submission here that makes us go
on a rant.

863
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,800
OK, because someone said,
someone asked the question in a

864
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,520
forum saying is it the norm to
have a book look every single

865
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,880
week and then receive an e-mail
every single week criticising

866
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,800
everything that we do based on
what they see in the books.

867
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,320
And then we change all those
things based on what the head

868
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,639
wants to be shot down further
and criticised again, again and

869
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,280
again.
It's just a constant, constant

870
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,560
negative down downwards trend.
That's what someone asked.

871
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,239
Yeah.
Yeah, that.

872
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,560
What what it is, is right.
What I guess we can extrapolate

873
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,239
this to nearly every industry
ever.

874
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,440
OK, Yeah, it's just bad
leadership.

875
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,480
I really just think it's bad
leadership.

876
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080
And I think specifically because
we're teachers and we're in

877
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,760
education and that's what we're
talking about.

878
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,239
If you just, I can just think of
the average teacher and the

879
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,840
amount of extra stuff they do
just to stay afloat and exist,

880
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,720
right?
That should always, always trump

881
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,320
everything when you're giving
feedback to someone because you

882
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,320
have to start off by thinking,
OK, wait a minute, I want to

883
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,280
criticise what they did
sometimes, right?

884
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,560
What teachers do has to be
criticised and it has to be

885
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,600
improved, correct?
There is a way to do it and it

886
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,520
should always come with the
caveat of but you know what?

887
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,800
Yeah, okay, I don't quite like
how this person is doing this.

888
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,040
It does go against our policy
that we all agreed on because we

889
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,640
have a good way of making
policy, et cetera.

890
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,040
But you have to just think that
person did do 4 hours of extra

891
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600
planning on Sunday though,
because we decided to change

892
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,760
this big part of the curriculum
and they're putting a lot of

893
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,280
effort into this job.
And do you know what?

894
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,840
They're going well above and
beyond their contract.

895
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Yeah.
So if they could do much less

896
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,760
work and still be within their
contract or their job, Yeah.

897
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,080
So maybe within the job and we
have these policies and rules

898
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,840
set, if they're not quite
meeting those aspects of it,

899
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,480
maybe we should just think that
there's a bit of a balance going

900
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,600
on here.
And maybe the conversations that

901
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
we have shouldn't be rooted in
constantly criticising what they

902
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,480
don't do.
Maybe if it's 70 to 80% of the

903
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160
conversation is about how
amazing they are or helping

904
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,360
their workload or seeing what
they can reduce and seeing what

905
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,160
they can change, those
criticisms sit better in the end

906
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,160
and are more likely to resonate
with them.

907
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,800
And actually, I'll go, John.
Yeah, this, this amazing leader

908
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,640
has helped me so much.
So when they pick up on this not

909
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,800
quite being right and they give
a reason for it and they treat

910
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,280
me like a professional, I
actually want to help them.

911
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,400
I want to run for a war for
them.

912
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,160
And I'm already doing loads.
So I'm going to make these

913
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,600
little tweaks here.
Thank you for showing me that if

914
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,000
it's constant, you just turn off
and you think, OK, do you know

915
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,080
what?
Not only am I turning off to

916
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,800
this criticism, I'm completely
disengaged in this job now and

917
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,560
I'm not going to do all this
extra stuff that I was doing

918
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
anyway.
It's going to end up turning

919
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,240
people off the other way of
other things rather than fixing

920
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,480
what you want to fix.
I agree.

921
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,520
There is a level to how?
Much criticism you can give

922
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,000
before it.
No one, no one cares anyone, no

923
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,120
one listens.
It just turns them off.

924
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,920
I recently have been planning
some English.

925
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,560
I've been I've been spending so
much time.

926
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,640
This is a classic example, like
our school at the moment, we're

927
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,440
revamping our English because
you know what, it needed

928
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,080
revamping.
It just it was get a bit.

929
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,440
We all knew that.
We all knew that.

930
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,120
We knew it needed some time.
And that is our, that is our

931
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,800
primary focus this year.
But it does come with a lot of

932
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,760
workload.
And you know what?

933
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,440
Schools can't then magic up an
extra 10 hours a week to go and

934
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,480
do that workload.
I get it.

935
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,120
So guess what?
It's me at the weekend planning

936
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,880
it, right?
I spent absolutely honestly,

937
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,680
like two whole days of the
holiday, one in the holidays and

938
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,560
one at a weekend planning this
three-week unit for English.

939
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,480
It was on something completely
unfamiliar to me because we've

940
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,280
just genuinely not done it
before, or at least in many

941
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,560
years.
It was on a balanced argument,

942
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,560
quite a hard text type to do and
and we've been doing it

943
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,240
recently.
And do you know what some of the

944
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,440
lessons I are on reflection,
I've been like, I wouldn't do

945
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,120
that next year.
I would change it to do this,

946
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,240
this and this.
So they've not been like exactly

947
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:33,480
what I wanted.
It's a little bit annoying

948
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,360
because I've spent so much time
on them and the idea that like a

949
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,720
member of SLT, which they
haven't just to really made that

950
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,720
clear, they haven't.
But the idea that a member of

951
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,560
SLT comes and looks at that
planning and just goes, that was

952
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,120
rubbish, that didn't work.
Look at the kids books.

953
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,080
This is this is terrible.
You need to change it for next

954
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,040
week.
I would, honestly, at this point

955
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,120
in my career, I would tell them
where to stick it.

956
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,400
Yeah, the problem is.
Ten years ago, I wouldn't.

957
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,360
I would have just gone home and
cried.

958
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,400
So sorry I cried and you know.
Whatever, cancel my.

959
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,360
Football that I've got this
evening.

960
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,640
'Cause I'll change it, but right
now if.

961
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,720
Someone did that because of bad
leadership 'cause they're not

962
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,800
thinking about me as a human.
Like actually they did spend 10

963
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,600
hours doing this at the weekend,
even though it didn't give them

964
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,400
the quite the outcomes they
want.

965
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,200
I would honestly it, it would
be, it would be a bloodbath of

966
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,960
words and and like.
You're clearly a very competent

967
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,840
teacher as well.
Yeah.

968
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
So these mistakes and these
things that are going wrong, do

969
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,400
you know what sometimes the
question is?

970
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,440
The question is why are they
going wrong?

971
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,760
What's happening here that I can
do to help this person?

972
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Rather than that's bad, just say
that's bad, fix it.

973
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,920
That's yeah, fix it.
So do you know what?

974
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560
When I spent 10 hours doing it,
if I knew it was bad then I

975
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,080
would have fixed it.
It's like what do you mean just

976
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160
fix it?
If I knew how to just fix it

977
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,040
straight away I would have done
it in the first place.

978
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Sometimes you have to teach it
before you know.

979
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,160
How to fix exactly that?
A few of those lessons.

980
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,680
It was just like, OK, now I've
done the class, I can see

981
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,760
exactly what elements they're
finding tricky.

982
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,280
I can I would tweet that next
time.

983
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,520
But yeah, it's just to just to
back up that that whole thing.

984
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,040
That's brilliant.
OK, we've.

985
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,600
We've I think we've talked about
74 different things we have.

986
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,000
Should we get to the actual
point of the year?

987
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Yeah, we love that.
Book them in.

988
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,200
Don't we?
We did a skip this week.

989
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,320
It's not often these days that
we do a little scare at the

990
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,560
start.
When we started, we do what

991
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,120
every week.
I know it was a lot of effort.

992
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,760
It was so.
Fun, but we.

993
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,680
We felt that we had to do on
this week because of the changes

994
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,120
that we saw from Ofsted.
Now our podcast releases on a

995
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Monday.
So a few times what's happened

996
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,160
is we've released the podcast on
a Monday.

997
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,440
We're like, let's talk about
this really important issue.

998
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,240
And then it's released and in
the morning, it's like the

999
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,240
government and Ofsted have
announced this huge change.

1000
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,520
OK, we're a week behind, but we
we had to reference this.

1001
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,760
We had to talk about it.
So Hayden, in a nutshell, what

1002
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960
have Ofsted done?
Because there's been this huge,

1003
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,080
big lesson.
They've got a new leader come

1004
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,240
in.
They were talking about making

1005
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,800
change because it's, you know,
we're listening to staff, you

1006
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,640
know, we're gonna do what needs
to happen to make Ofsted a force

1007
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,560
for good.
So what's gone on this week?

1008
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,120
So in a nutshell, they.
Quote unquote listened to

1009
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,480
teachers feedback and the
biggest bit of teachers feedback

1010
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,920
was these one word judgements
are crushing.

1011
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,240
They put so much unnecessary
pressure on teachers and it's

1012
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,480
not fair to capture the school.
In a word or two, yeah.

1013
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,800
And and it's.
Specifically, what they started

1014
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,200
off with was the headline
judgement.

1015
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,240
I think that's important because
still now schools are getting

1016
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,400
one word judgements on the
individual aspects that's been

1017
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,080
broken down.
But the big one they immediately

1018
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,280
said was, you know what?
What is really, really harmful

1019
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,880
is that one word judgement for
an entire school.

1020
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,480
And that's simplistic and it
doesn't hit the mark.

1021
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,040
And it's just that was causing a
lot of anxiety, wasn't it?

1022
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,240
Which I completely agree with
it.

1023
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,480
Was, you know, and they did,
they have got rid of that

1024
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,720
overall one word judgement for
school because it isn't fair.

1025
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,200
It doesn't make any sense when
it's a school is so complex to

1026
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,600
have one word that summarises
the whole thing like what a

1027
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,680
stupid system.
And the other part, the other

1028
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,000
huge thing was about was about
deep dives.

1029
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Sure.
So this idea that, you know, we

1030
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,760
talked about it before, Oh,
we're all just suddenly

1031
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,800
specialists, are we?
In every single subject.

1032
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,440
What planet do you live on?
Of course we're not.

1033
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,800
It was adding deep dives were
adding on so much pressure to

1034
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,280
teachers and it was massively,
massively negatively impacting

1035
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,840
smaller schools as well.
Yeah, because smaller schools,

1036
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,600
less teachers, they take on more
stuff.

1037
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,720
I think we need fewer teachers,
mate.

1038
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,280
You need to.
Require improvement on your

1039
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,400
English I'm afraid.
And now your whole school is

1040
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,120
requires improvement because you
don't have to do grammar

1041
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000
properly.
And you know, jokes aside,

1042
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,680
that's exactly.
How it was, you know, your whole

1043
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,400
school is now requires
improvement and it was

1044
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,640
ridiculous.
So they've, they've got rid of

1045
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,160
this idea of deep dives as well.
We're not going to come into a

1046
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,760
school and scrutinise you for
three days on your on your

1047
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,160
scrutinise your history lead for
three days.

1048
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,120
Can I just pick up on that
quick?

1049
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,800
Because what really annoys me
about that is like what we said

1050
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,200
before, where management might
say this is a really important

1051
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,720
initiative and if you're not
doing it, then I'm going to pull

1052
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,640
you up.
Imagine if a school didn't put

1053
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,760
hours and hours and hours into
preparing for a history deep

1054
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,520
dive or hours and hours in
geography, and then Offset came

1055
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,800
and said, we're doing geography
deep dive.

1056
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,840
This isn't good enough.
Your school's bad.

1057
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,520
One word, judgement.
Awful.

1058
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,960
What's kind of annoying is that
now they're saying, oh, yeah,

1059
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,720
that was bad, wasn't it?
Yeah.

1060
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,600
You should never have done it
because we've already got all

1061
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,760
the hard work done.
We've already spent hours and

1062
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,840
hours of our own time pretending
to be a geography specialist

1063
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,720
when we're not putting hours and
hours into courses doing loads

1064
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,240
of folder prep work because we.
Oh, you shouldn't have to do

1065
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:57,520
that for Ofsted.
No, we shouldn't.

1066
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,160
But we do, don't we?
And you know, we do.

1067
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,600
And when you come in and
perpetuate that, this is normal.

1068
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,160
This is you being terrible.
So it winds me up, even though

1069
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,440
they're doing the right thing to
get rid of deep dives, it's

1070
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,280
really, really wound me up
because the damage is done and

1071
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,920
you need to listen sooner.
We are professionals, We're not

1072
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,760
just moaning.
We work hard already.

1073
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,760
If we moan about something, it's
usually because it's stupid.

1074
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,840
I agree.
So one of the biggest.

1075
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Ironies that we'll look at a
good rant by the way.

1076
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,320
Sorry, I thought I've got
nothing to add to that.

1077
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,120
One of the biggest ironies is
that is that they did, they did

1078
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,720
listen in a way, and they did
say, OK, all right, we get it,

1079
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,040
deep dives.
OK, It adds unnecessary pressure

1080
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,840
on because there's far too many
subjects, right.

1081
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,600
So every teacher in the school
the with the way Ofsted works,

1082
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,800
not knowing what they're going
to deep dive until literally the

1083
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,880
day before every school was
there.

1084
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,200
Therefore saying like, right,
everyone needs to imagine that

1085
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,520
you're going to be the one that
getting offset it.

1086
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,840
So every single person has equal
pressure, which is horrendous

1087
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,000
amount of pressure because
there's too many areas that we

1088
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,320
need to be expert in.
I'm going to quote that again.

1089
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,200
There's too many areas that they
that they might look at anyone

1090
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,040
time.
So, so in all of these too many

1091
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,920
areas that we have to focus on,
it's causing us too much stress

1092
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,960
because there's too many areas
at once to think about.

1093
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,560
So very quickly.
So they've got.

1094
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,680
Rid of deep dives.
That's true.

1095
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,680
Yeah.
OK, so they've done a couple of

1096
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,360
big things, right?
But you're talking, I don't know

1097
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,760
why I keep mentioning about too
many areas.

1098
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,720
Maybe we'll come back to that
very soon.

1099
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,320
But so this week then, because
those changes, the big, you

1100
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,000
know, headline change that was
very quick that got dropped

1101
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,480
talking about deep dives not
being anything anymore.

1102
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,320
OK, be annoyed as we want.
It's a good thing that we're

1103
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,520
getting rid of them.
So what was the big news this

1104
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,840
week then?
Because it seemed like when we

1105
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,360
spoke about it, you said, oh, is
this news?

1106
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,040
I, I, we thought this was
happening anyway because there

1107
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,720
was a bit of a lean a few months
ago.

1108
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,560
What's been confirmed now,
right.

1109
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,480
So what's been confirmed is.
One the scale, the sliding scale

1110
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,040
that they're going to be using
to I'll go get to the the

1111
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,960
categories in a minute.
The sliding scale they're going

1112
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,400
to be using that replaces the
one word judgments from before,

1113
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,280
you know, there's four one word
judgments that we had before

1114
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,680
standing good they.
Replace that with five one word.

1115
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Judgments now, but rather than
being an overall judgement, it

1116
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,120
just judges in a specific
smaller subcategory, right?

1117
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,240
Because currently there are 4.
Categories that get judged,

1118
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,520
yeah.
And we're making that up to 11.

1119
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,800
Yeah, up to 11, depending.
On your school, so one of the

1120
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,760
categories might be sixth form.
Obviously not every school has

1121
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,320
that.
One of the categories is early,

1122
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,680
early years.
Not every school has early

1123
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,040
years, right?
But there's nine sort of core

1124
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,880
ones in the middle that all
schools will have, yeah.

1125
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:11,960
All schools will have so it
just.

1126
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Like this is the, this is my
biggest criticism, criticism of

1127
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,040
the whole thing is this idea
that they've they've said, Oh

1128
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,120
yeah, OK, so the problem with
deep dives was it was too much

1129
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,240
pressure at once because there's
too many areas to be looking at

1130
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,120
at once.
And it's not fair for teachers

1131
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,720
on top of their jobs to be
thinking about all of these

1132
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,520
different areas.
So what we're going to do is

1133
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,560
we're going to scrap what it was
before and we're going to make

1134
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,280
loads of different areas that
we're going to look at instead.

1135
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,080
And we're going to really like
sub categorise them.

1136
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,480
And you're going to be graded on
all of them at once, by the way.

1137
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,160
So we got rid of deep dives.
We'll pick one out of the 10,

1138
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,360
all of them now, all nine of
these things.

1139
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,080
So we're not subject.
They're not subjects.

1140
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,560
So you know there is.
An argument to say, well, come

1141
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,360
on, come on, Hayden, calm down.
They're not subjects.

1142
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,640
They're all essential things
anyway, which, you know, we can

1143
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:49,920
have a discussion about.
But my point is here, my

1144
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,560
overarching point is they didn't
listen to the idea that teachers

1145
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,800
are overwhelmed, right?
They didn't listen to the idea

1146
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,600
that there's too much pressure
on teachers.

1147
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,640
And that is what is driving
teachers out of this job because

1148
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,640
what they've done is they've
made a system that puts too much

1149
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,120
pressure on teachers in so many
different areas at once.

1150
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,640
It's the same thing repackaged
in terms of the perspective from

1151
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,240
a teacher.
There's no teacher.

1152
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,280
And we'll look at the data in a
minute that is looking at that

1153
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,560
thinking, oh, I'll be so much
less, fewer stressed now.

1154
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,520
I'll be so much less stressed
now because of this new system.

1155
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,040
They're just going to be
thinking, oh, I'll be stressed

1156
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,000
in a different way.
It's scrutiny, isn't it?

1157
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,400
It's.
It's scrutiny where we

1158
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,840
completely need to be
scrutinising schools and

1159
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,560
teachers.
But like, like you said, what is

1160
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,400
the role of Ofsted?
Like is the role of Ofsted to

1161
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,680
just come along and point a
finger and say that's bad?

1162
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Yeah, yeah.
And come along and point a

1163
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,080
finger and say that's good?
Or is the role to actually try

1164
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,360
and raise standards?
And it's just like their mantra

1165
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,240
and what they say they stand for
just isn't what they're doing.

1166
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,080
And this was a real chance to
kind of shift that.

1167
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680
And I feel like all they've done
is repackage what's already

1168
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,080
there, make it not look like
what what they'll oh, guys, it's

1169
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,440
completely different now.
We're not going to say that

1170
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,000
you're requires improvement in
something.

1171
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,600
We're going to say that it's red
and you're causing concerns

1172
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,040
like, OK, you've done the most
fundamental like top level

1173
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,720
change that you possibly could
whilst apps actually really

1174
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,760
changing nothing.
That kind of says what I want to

1175
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,640
say.
About this, and we'll come to

1176
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,680
the 9 things in a minute or the
11 things potentially, but I

1177
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,440
just want to say this is what's
happened in my head.

1178
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,160
There is this circle of where
Ofsted operates from it within,

1179
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,960
right.
And within this circle, whatever

1180
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,120
they were doing, they were like,
oh, this is bad though.

1181
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,480
And what they've done is they've
said OK, let's just reinvent

1182
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,040
this circle in a different way.
Let's stay within the confines

1183
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160
of how we were already
operating, but let's just

1184
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,320
repackage it in a different way.
Get rid of few things, add a few

1185
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,400
things.
And what they needed to do, if

1186
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,720
they listened to teachers in
this big lesson, is they needed

1187
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:43,960
to reinvent the circle.
They needed a square.

1188
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,640
They needed to go away from the
circle and completely reinvent

1189
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,360
the system.
And that's what they failed to

1190
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,000
do, which is why everyone is so
annoyed at this.

1191
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,120
Yeah.
Do I think this is better than

1192
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,280
the old system?
Yes, I do.

1193
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,360
I do think it's marginally,
marginally better.

1194
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,760
OK, All right.
And we'll go into why in a

1195
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,120
minute.
Sure.

1196
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,280
But do I think it it's enough
for an enormous government

1197
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,600
funded body of millions of
pounds and spent on this to for

1198
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,440
them to be like, yeah, we fight.
It took us, you know, 5000 years

1199
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,840
to do this and we've finally
reformed it.

1200
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,960
And they've come out with the
most like meek, worst possible

1201
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,400
outcome really, of a reform you
could call a reform.

1202
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,720
I'm like, come on.
Like it's just so insulting the

1203
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,200
idea of Ofsted going.
Into like a pyramid and watching

1204
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,240
an ancient Egyptian lesson and
then it being the same of 5000

1205
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,120
years later.
So I think that.

1206
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Jumped out at me that really
really just it made me laugh in

1207
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,320
a way that I'm just I just
despair is is that they have

1208
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,760
genuinely changed outstanding
for exemplary.

1209
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,440
They have genuinely changed good
for either strong or secure.

1210
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,360
So more chance to be positive I
suppose.

1211
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,360
As 2 is 3 now, I've added in an
extra.

1212
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,920
One isn't it and it?
And we've got we've got a darker

1213
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,840
green rather than a light green.
Isn't that lovely?

1214
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,880
And they've instead of requires
improvement, it's attention

1215
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,560
needed or causing concern.
What is wrong with you?

1216
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,000
Like that is the most like it.
It's the most.

1217
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Are they are they trying to
gaslight us?

1218
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,440
Yeah.
Into thinking they've changed

1219
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,160
something because they just go
well, the words are different.

1220
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,320
Yeah.
Then you have not listened.

1221
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,760
Like you have genuinely not
listened.

1222
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,960
Or save your little little.
Feelings by not calling you

1223
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,680
inadequate anymore, we'll just
say causing concern.

1224
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Causing concern.
There's big alarm bells ring now

1225
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,720
when they come, they have a
little they have they have to do

1226
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:21,760
you know all of the inspectors
now have to wear this little

1227
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,520
thing on their shoulders.
It has 2 red bells on it right

1228
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,080
that go an alarm goes off when
they when they feel they're

1229
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,200
causing to like green and.
Amber like is it?

1230
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,320
Is it?
No, it's only.

1231
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,160
No, they can't do.
The good things, they just they

1232
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,040
just kind of get ignored.
But when something's bad, they

1233
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,360
and, and it says, yeah, because,
because obviously Offset expects

1234
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200
to have had training now it says
to them, don't cause stress,

1235
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,520
don't cause stress.
So the Offset inspectors are

1236
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,880
reminded, oh, let's not cause
any stress to these teachers

1237
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,080
when we call, when we're saying
that this area is causing

1238
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,600
concern.
They've had training because

1239
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,360
when they.
Say it's causing concern.

1240
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,520
They say it in a nice way.
Yeah, yeah, guys, your school,

1241
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,040
it's causing concern.
Little round of applause.

1242
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,440
Smile and it feels.
Great and it's just changed

1243
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,320
everything.
Yeah, I want to very quickly

1244
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,160
then we've got some teacher tap
data we'll come into later and

1245
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,240
we've been in touch and we've
just wanted to teach tap they've

1246
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:08,480
got some really cool data as to
the reaction to this but let's

1247
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,080
just dive a little bit deeper.
Sorry for using the term diving

1248
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,440
deeper.
No, we don't do that anymore my

1249
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,720
little rings.
No, no, we can't.

1250
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,840
We can't dive deep.
Let's scuba low.

1251
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,200
We'll call it that instead
because that's not the same.

1252
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,000
We're going to scuba low down
here into the the what?

1253
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,040
What is happening in terms of
what we're judging them on now?

1254
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,920
So we've talked about the, the
one word judgements have

1255
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,720
changed.
So the red, red to green,

1256
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:32,600
exemplary, etcetera.
Yeah, but what are we actually

1257
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:33,600
judging them on then?
What?

1258
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,680
What are these 9 to 11 things
that you've been talking about?

1259
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:37,920
Yeah.
So fortunately, you'll be

1260
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,040
pleased.
To know they got rid of teaching

1261
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,800
and learning.
They stopped.

1262
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,560
They stopped.
They stopped.

1263
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,480
Bear with me.
They stopped judging teaching

1264
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,240
and learning.
It's now developing teaching and

1265
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,600
curriculum.
Oh, they're separate.

1266
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,960
What I'm trying to say, I'm
joking, is this.

1267
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,720
It's the same thing.
They've just repacked.

1268
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,320
You looked at me so panicked
then like, no, they didn't,

1269
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,160
Hayden.
No, no, they didn't.

1270
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,200
I wasn't panicked.
I was thinking.

1271
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,560
What on earth for them?
Yeah, No, they didn't.

1272
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,880
No, they didn't at all.
They didn't really change

1273
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,960
anything to honestly, they just,
they just sub categorised it a

1274
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,720
bit more.
So the 9 things I'm looking at

1275
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,440
plus the extra 2, the sixth form
in the early years are they'll

1276
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,040
look at achievement and give you
one of those five gradings,

1277
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,920
leadership and governance, OK
attendance.

1278
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,080
Do you want to do you want to go
off on that or no, not

1279
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,000
particularly because we've.
Said it before, we've done this

1280
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,400
before.
I just think the the problem

1281
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,680
here, the problem I see straight
away is just it's going to have

1282
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,080
the same old problems as before
where there'll be leadership

1283
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,040
panicking.
Yeah, this isn't going to stop

1284
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,240
schools panicking from wanting
to impress Ofsted because we

1285
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,120
still feel like we need to get
these report cards.

1286
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,720
Of course, instead of it just
being so old, we need to get to

1287
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,640
outstanding.
We are.

1288
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,400
We need to get to exemplary.
And all that will happen now

1289
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,480
instead is there's nine ways for
people to get stressed.

1290
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,480
I just don't.
I don't get it.

1291
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,320
I don't know.
Before I was like teaching and

1292
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,480
learning.
I was like, OK, well just skip

1293
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,480
behind that now.
It's like developing teaching

1294
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,840
specifically.
It's like, cool, I get the idea.

1295
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,280
Because the government and
offset are trying to put

1296
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,680
pressure on to schools to do
well in these things.

1297
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,120
So the only reason attendance is
there is because attendance is

1298
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,600
awful.
So the only reason it's there is

1299
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,120
because they absolutely know
what they're doing.

1300
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,000
They're not doing it.
They're not doing it to help

1301
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,480
schools.
This is what winds me up.

1302
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,400
None of this is to help schools.
The only reason attendance is on

1303
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,800
this list is because they want
to put pressure on schools to

1304
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,680
push themselves to the limit
with no extra budget being put

1305
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,800
in for it to fix attendance.
Same with inclusion.

1306
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,720
They they want to make, Aren't
we?

1307
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,640
Aren't we?
Aren't we amazing Ofsted and the

1308
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,240
government because we're making
inclusion the front 'cause that

1309
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,200
we're really pushing and now
it's got its own thing in our

1310
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,640
Ofsted judgement.
No, no no, no, you're horrible

1311
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,440
gaslighting idiots who just want
to say that because you know

1312
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,360
schools will then panic and put
all of their effort into it by

1313
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,040
working themselves to the bone.
Because we really, really,

1314
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,320
really care about our kids and
we really do care about

1315
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,640
inclusion.
We want to help as many kids as

1316
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,560
we can.
All you're doing is making it

1317
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,400
even more stressful for us
because we're now going to be

1318
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,880
really harshly judged on it in a
system where you are also in

1319
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,280
charge of the funding and the
money we get for it and you are

1320
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,600
not giving us enough.
So you are not helping us

1321
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,200
remotely.
You are adding pressure so that

1322
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,840
you can look like you can wear a
badge saying aren't we great,

1323
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,400
this government helping out and
doing the best we can with

1324
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,120
Ofsted.
No, you're increasing pressure.

1325
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:08,240
You are not helping remotely
because if you were helping and

1326
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,080
were listening to teachers,
you'd be whacking up investment

1327
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,080
in these areas.
You'd be helping us with some

1328
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,320
support and you'd be taking
these children seriously who

1329
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,200
can't even get a diagnosis for
three years.

1330
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,560
It's disgusting.
This is not helping.

1331
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,400
This is just labelling something
so you can say you're helping

1332
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,400
and hope someone else picks up
the Flack for you because

1333
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,760
they'll be the ones getting
judged on it.

1334
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,320
It's horrible, it's disgusting.
I think there's one more element

1335
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,640
as well.
Of this just listening to you

1336
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,280
talk about that, that they've
been really smart with this play

1337
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,560
of just saying, well, we'll just
put attendance in the report

1338
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,120
card.
It's because they don't want to

1339
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,440
do The Dirty work.
Exactly what what they don't

1340
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,560
want to.
They want schools to to put

1341
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,400
their necks on the line.
They want schools to go in and

1342
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,880
you can be the controversial
ones who put in some draconian

1343
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,600
measures because you're so
panicked about attendance now

1344
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,400
doing things that maybe you
think are even wrong.

1345
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,360
But because you've got this
report card now it's kind of

1346
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,440
forcing your hand.
We don't want to say it as off

1347
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,080
said because do you know what we
know we'll get a bad, bad light

1348
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,760
for it in the press because
actually what we want to take

1349
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,440
what we want to say is, OK,
we're going to start fining kids

1350
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,160
for not coming in.
We're going to come pick you up

1351
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,760
every single day.
We're going to do all these

1352
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,040
other like draconian kind of
things, but we don't want to say

1353
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,920
that, as I said, even though be
much easier for us just to say

1354
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,440
it from top down and everyone
just does it right.

1355
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,920
We want the schools to make
those decisions so they look

1356
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,480
bad.
They're putting they're at risk

1357
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,240
of looking bad if the parents
don't like it.

1358
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,480
But you know what?
Overall though, yeah, some

1359
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,560
schools will look bad because of
it.

1360
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,920
But attendance will go up
though, and who's going to take

1361
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,640
the credit?
We put it on a report card,

1362
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,600
guys, and it's got better.
So it does.

1363
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,280
No, it's not.
It's disgusting.

1364
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,920
And the more and more I think
about it, it's the entrenched

1365
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,360
system of what we have, which is
just horrendous.

1366
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,080
And this does nothing for that.
And I think that's why I teach

1367
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,720
so exasperated because do you
know what I think?

1368
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,360
I think if you just look it on
the surface level, right, and

1369
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,560
that there is an argument you
could have where you're saying,

1370
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,200
well, I think it's slightly
better because of this.

1371
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,880
I also really think you could
say it's worse because of the

1372
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,280
reasons we've said as well.
So what, you know, we can look

1373
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,120
into the Teach Tap data now.
Maybe that'd be really

1374
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,960
interesting.
But I guess my overall point is,

1375
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:02,200
I think where the most anger and
disillusionment comes from is

1376
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,960
that we were gaslit for two
years into thinking they were

1377
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,960
listening and they were going to
change.

1378
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,960
They were going to do something.
I, for one, never thought that

1379
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,680
was going to happen.
No, I never, ever thought that

1380
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,400
was going to happen.
And I'm glad I didn't fall into

1381
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,920
that trap because here's what's
happened.

1382
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,640
It's just repackaged into
nonsense.

1383
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,240
Yeah, it's, it's do you know
what?

1384
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,680
And and people will come back to
us and say, well, don't you care

1385
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,280
about these things?
Isn't it good that we're caring

1386
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,680
about these things?
I care about these things more

1387
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,920
than anyone because I love
teaching, because I love my

1388
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,680
kids.
I love education, I love my

1389
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,120
classes, I love helping them as
much as I can.

1390
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,000
The only reason I care is
because I care so much.

1391
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,360
The only reason I care about
these changes is because I want

1392
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,040
it fixed so bad.
So when these artificial changes

1393
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,920
come in that literally do
nothing to help the fundamental

1394
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,760
cogs in our education system
just so that someone can get

1395
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,080
some political clout, it winds
me up so much.

1396
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,920
Easiest analogy here right is.
As your your teachers right now

1397
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,840
put your imagine Ofsted.
Is the teacher OK in this

1398
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,360
situation?
Do you improve things in your

1399
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:05,280
class by measuring them?
Is it and my point here?

1400
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,320
Is they're not doing the next
bit.

1401
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,800
I measure stuff all.
I measure stuff all the time and

1402
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,760
then I do something about it and
I raise standards.

1403
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,840
As the teacher, I take
responsibility for that thing

1404
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,640
that I'm measuring and I do
everything I can in my power and

1405
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,040
my time and the money I have to
the budget I have, whatever it

1406
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,360
is the situation I'm in to do
something about it and raise

1407
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,120
that standard.
This is why I don't like Ofsted.

1408
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,360
They don't do the bit that they
say they do.

1409
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,080
It's like, well, we're measuring
attendance now.

1410
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,680
OK, So what you so you already
know it's bad.

1411
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,920
We already know that.
So well done.

1412
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,200
You found information that we
already know.

1413
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,400
So that's done Nothing.
What are you doing about it?

1414
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,720
Well, stop there.
OK, Brilliant.

1415
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:43,400
Cool.
Let's just measure more stuff.

1416
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,960
That's what we're doing.
Measuring more stuff.

1417
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,320
It's like what we said about
leaders.

1418
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,360
Earlier who just criticise and
moan and say things are bad,

1419
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,440
that is the exact same thing.
If Austin are just coming in and

1420
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,520
saying that's bad, like thanks,
OK, cool.

1421
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,600
We do need to be called out
sometimes, like I said earlier.

1422
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,320
But can, can we please like have
a supportive environment where

1423
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,480
you're helping us do this thing
or again, just political clout?

1424
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,480
Let's finish up the list.
I'm going to start.

1425
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,960
Again and give you the 9 areas
on the top of sixth form and

1426
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,080
early years.
So it's achievement, leadership

1427
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,120
and governance, attendance,
curriculum, behaviour and

1428
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,440
attitudes, developing, teaching,
inclusion, personal development

1429
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,400
and well-being.
And that's the last one because

1430
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,120
then it's at 6th, 1:00 and then
there is one that.

1431
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,120
You've missed, but it's just a,
it doesn't, it doesn't come into

1432
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,560
this starting category, which by
the way, I think is a good

1433
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,520
thing.
Yeah, this is a good change.

1434
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,400
Safeguarding is simply, you've
met it or you haven't and

1435
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,440
separate.
And you know what?

1436
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,720
Yeah, it's separate.
And you know what that is?

1437
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,280
That is what safeguarding should
be.

1438
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,760
You, you either are a school
meeting the safeguarding demands

1439
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,120
or you're not.
And you know what, if you're

1440
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,360
not, you need to be called out
on it.

1441
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:43,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

1442
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,560
Because it is so serious.
Yeah.

1443
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,000
And I think that's, I think
that's important.

1444
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,600
I think we can still talk about
the consistency of, you know,

1445
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,120
judgments and etcetera, etcetera
and all that.

1446
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,520
That's always going to be a
problem When you have a

1447
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,040
judgement system and there are
individuals who are going to do

1448
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,360
it, that's always going to be a
problem.

1449
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,440
But I think that's a good thing.
And I think the safeguarding of

1450
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,400
our children is paramount.
And I think that's, I agree with

1451
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,840
that.
I think if safeguarding was

1452
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,680
secure or strong, like what are
you talking about?

1453
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,640
It's just, it's so important
that you're either doing it or

1454
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,560
you're not.
I would go as far as saying.

1455
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,040
That it's the only part of what
I've said do that is actually

1456
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,320
worthwhile at the moment, in
that kind of terms of just.

1457
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,640
Criticising and judging, yeah.
As in looking at safeguarding

1458
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,920
honestly.
I think all of that stuff, they

1459
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,640
could put all that in the bin.
Yeah, OK with themselves and

1460
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,840
just leave a couple of members
to come around with their little

1461
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,160
special.
Yeah, because whistles and their

1462
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,120
and their, you know, shoulder
pads and come around and

1463
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,600
honestly just look at
safeguarding because that is the

1464
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,160
only bit that they're doing,
which is right.

1465
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,720
I agree with you.
It's like, hey, get rid of the

1466
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,360
rest.
Can you those have a 9/11 areas,

1467
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,800
get rid of them.
Can you just come and look at

1468
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,280
safeguarding until you've
thought of a better system

1469
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,240
please on how to actually raise
standards because you know

1470
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,320
you're not doing it.
Like when you judge attendance.

1471
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,360
We said this before.
Is it just going to be like, oh,

1472
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,320
it's 96%, so it's green.
Yeah, of course it's number.

1473
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,040
It's 89%.
So it's orange.

1474
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,640
Like that's so maybe it won't.
Maybe.

1475
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,280
Maybe it'll be a bit more you
know, consider considerable of

1476
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,920
like the what you're doing the
area.

1477
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,240
I don't know.
Maybe your school has

1478
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,800
notoriously bad attendance and
you're you're, but you've

1479
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,680
actually.
Raised it a bit.

1480
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,720
And they're like, OK, you know,
this is an exemplary example of

1481
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,080
how to raise attendance from 40
to 50% if your attendance.

1482
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,400
Like if I take an actual figure
that might be realistic in the,

1483
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,840
in the most like tricky of
areas, let's just say your

1484
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,200
attendance is like 87%, right?
Let's just say may I don't, I

1485
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,840
don't know what they are, but
let's just say it's like that

1486
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,560
and your leadership and your and
your school have taken it to

1487
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,800
93%.
To me that, that that would

1488
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,440
scream exemplary.
That would scream like, wow, you

1489
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,720
are moving the dial.
That's you could not do more

1490
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,040
than that.
Because at the end of the day,

1491
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:32,880
it's not you have to get the
kids into school.

1492
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,240
And all we had to do was fire
all of our.

1493
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,600
TAS buy seven cars and we go and
pick up all the kids now.

1494
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:38,800
So it's so much better, isn't
it?

1495
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,840
Because this metric has improved
My school now I think they've

1496
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,520
bought 8 cars.
Seven, we used to pick up kids

1497
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,840
and one of them was the
maternity.

1498
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,040
Maternity.
One of them was the MAT CEO who

1499
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,680
just got the car.
Yeah, yeah, a little bonus.

1500
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,520
Yeah, I don't know anyway, but
there's there's the areas.

1501
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,720
Let's talk about teacher tap,
shall we?

1502
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:52,520
Yeah.
So this this.

1503
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,680
Teacher Tap, by the way, quick
shout.

1504
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,920
Unbelievable.
We've been speaking to them and

1505
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,280
they've been offering us up some
data, which is so useful.

1506
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,400
So in the future podcast as
well, you might see us do a

1507
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,720
little bit of a teach tap of
giving us these insights.

1508
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,160
They sent us these blogs and
they've had some reaction

1509
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,240
already to these changes because
like I said, we're a bit behind

1510
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,440
because this was announced when
we really started that last

1511
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,760
episode.
So first up, straight up, I

1512
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,120
wanted to mention something to
do with school staff and who

1513
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,320
they are in a school.
Head teachers were the most

1514
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,160
likely to have read the plans,
which makes sense, of course.

1515
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,480
Head teachers have given the
race to the ground.

1516
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,440
It's them.
They're the ones ultimately have

1517
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,280
the, you know, the the judgement
resting on their shoulders so

1518
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,720
they've properly read through
the Ofsted.

1519
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,680
Plan exactly so head teachers.
Are way more likely to have read

1520
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,840
here, but they are also the most
likely to feel negatively about

1521
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,600
these reforms.
So 43% of head teachers surveyed

1522
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,520
by Teacher TAP said that they
felt very negative and 24

1523
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,880
percent said somewhat negative.
That is 67 percent, 2/3 of head

1524
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,360
teachers had a negative reaction
to these reforms.

1525
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:00,760
At what point do we look at that
and do we say these reforms are

1526
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,760
bad?
Then like by definition, you,

1527
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,120
you can look at that and maybe
someone in the government.

1528
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,560
No, no, no, we're driving
standard.

1529
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,840
We're doing well, we're doing
some spokesperson for us said,

1530
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,640
no, no, it's because of this.
It's because of that.

1531
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,600
If your head teachers have 2/3
of them saying.

1532
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,360
That this is bad reform.
Yeah, it's probably bad reform.

1533
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,640
Of course it is.
And it was the year before when.

1534
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,160
They asked them and the year
before and the year before and

1535
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,760
the year before.
But what politicians are very

1536
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,440
good at is going, OK, what is
1/3 of all the head teachers?

1537
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,840
Is it a couple of thousand?
OK, cool.

1538
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,040
Use that stat.
Thousands of head teachers think

1539
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,680
that this reform is great.
There you go.

1540
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,040
Politicians win, Gaslight
everyone like they always do,

1541
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,360
Repeat the cycle.
It's depressing.

1542
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:36,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1543
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,040
Honestly.
Absolutely.

1544
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,960
Absolutely.
So in general, when asked and

1545
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,560
teach TAP as people who work in
schools, how do you feel about

1546
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,280
these plans?
What percentage, Hayden, do you

1547
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,480
think felt very positive about
these plans?

1548
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,000
Oh, let me guess without looking
at the.

1549
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Screen in which I know is it 00
percent?

1550
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,240
Yeah.
Zero, no one feels very positive

1551
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,520
about these changes. 6% feels
somewhat positive and so and the

1552
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,200
rest of it is either neutral or
negative or they haven't seen

1553
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,040
the plans yet.
Don't get me wrong, a big chunk

1554
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,080
of people hadn't seen the plans
yet.

1555
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,360
I think it was close to 40%
people hadn't seen the plans.

1556
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,480
That's fair enough.
But if we look at the the

1557
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,520
percentage saying that it's
positive or very positive, it's

1558
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,320
6% and this is 10,000.
Teachers, by the way, just to

1559
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,280
clear, make that really clear,
10,000 teachers did this, not

1560
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,120
0%.
So a.

1561
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,320
Significantly low amount of
people, close to zero, thought

1562
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,520
that this was yeah enough that
it got rounded.

1563
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,520
Down to 0% like right?
Almighty 21% said neutral, I

1564
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,040
think.
I think if you, if there wasn't

1565
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,960
this huge push in the last
couple of years for it to really

1566
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,280
reform and change and the
horrible situation with Ruth

1567
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,440
Perry and this people feeling
really strongly about it, I

1568
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,280
think there'd probably be more
in the neutral camp.

1569
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,880
I think there'd be more like
saying what didn't do anything

1570
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,480
neutral.
I think the again, the the

1571
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,400
pushing of the negative stuff is
just people saying, well, this

1572
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,800
does nothing.
The fact it's neutral makes me

1573
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,520
negative about it because what
was the point?

1574
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:54,320
Yeah, it's true.
Do you know what?

1575
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,760
When I did this.
Teacher's app because obviously

1576
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,160
I did it on my phone.
Download the app yourself.

1577
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,400
You can do it as a teacher.
I think I put neutral at the

1578
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,640
time and I kind of wish I could
change it now, but because I was

1579
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,920
feeling like, yeah, I haven't
read read through them properly

1580
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:05,920
yet.
I've seen a few headlines.

1581
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,200
I was like, OK, well, we talked
about them before the leaked

1582
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,000
versions.
I was like, well, I'm just in

1583
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,160
the middle.
I don't think it, I don't think

1584
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,320
it's any better.
Sure, I think I think it's worse

1585
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,080
in some aspects, but I think
it's better in some aspects.

1586
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,680
I'm like, it's just, it's just
the same thing repackaged.

1587
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,000
But having this had this
conversation now, I think I'd

1588
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,040
probably go down one and put
somewhat negative.

1589
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,200
That's probably where I'd really
vote.

1590
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,000
OK, so the the vast.
Majority of school staffing that

1591
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,280
and again, like we said about
the head teachers saying mostly

1592
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,760
negative the school in general,
like come on, this is this is

1593
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,520
enough data for you to look at
and you should be thinking

1594
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,080
that's bad.
And if you were actually working

1595
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,840
for staff and education in
general, if you had that as your

1596
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,000
forefront, you would make
changes now you'd be like, OK,

1597
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,920
this is wrong.
But but they already had the big

1598
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,280
listen.
They already chose not to do it

1599
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,640
because we know the path again
joined to be a politician again.

1600
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,160
Ready.
Yep.

1601
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,120
Well, actually we've seen that
38% of teachers didn't even

1602
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,760
bother to read our plans.
Teachers do not care.

1603
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,560
They don't care about driving
standards up, but we do.

1604
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,600
I think that's more a daily.
Mail spokesperson.

1605
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:00,760
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, they would look at

1606
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:01,800
that.
And they'd be like, well.

1607
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,840
Look, no, it's just a
communication thing.

1608
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,760
This is what wines went more
than anything, right?

1609
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,280
When people go, no, no, you
know, you just don't understand.

1610
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,320
I had someone comment on
Instagram, I've got to say this

1611
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:15,280
quickly because I was talking
about multi Academy trusts and

1612
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,680
CEOs and stuff like that.
And I get that I'm way more on

1613
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,480
one side of this argument and
there's other sides to it, but I

1614
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,160
simply held my case against
someone who was defending them

1615
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,720
and saying why they're good.
And I was like, no, I get all

1616
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,960
that.
But I think overall, I think

1617
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,800
it's this, this and this.
And one of the replies I got was

1618
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,120
what what you're doing there is
confirmation bias because

1619
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,800
you're, you're seeing it in, in
play and you're, you're

1620
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,240
extrapolating that to
everything.

1621
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,600
And don't, don't worry about it.
Everyone has confirmation bias.

1622
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,200
And I was just like, I had to
reply.

1623
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,520
I'm like, no, I'm not.
I'm literally saying that I

1624
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,760
understand that you can't just
dismiss my opinion because you

1625
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,720
framed it as something that's
bad and yeah, you've now framed

1626
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,480
it as confirmation bias and oh,
it's OK.

1627
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,600
Don't worry about it though.
We all do it.

1628
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,160
I don't.
Yeah, I don't do it, but we all

1629
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,120
do it.
So don't worry about that.

1630
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,680
But I don't do it.
So you're my point of view is

1631
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,880
right and yours is completely
wrong because I've decided it's

1632
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,840
confirmation bias.
That's what people will do this.

1633
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,480
They'll go, oh, it's a
communication thing.

1634
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,320
People don't really understand
what's going on.

1635
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,720
No, no, I really do understand
it.

1636
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,720
I've read through all of these
blogs that you posted.

1637
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,920
I've read through the education
statement from the government.

1638
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,200
I do understand it.
And I think it's bad.

1639
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,520
Yeah, so that's the end of the
conversation in terms of you

1640
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,000
can't detriment my opinion.
I'm a teacher and I think it's

1641
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:18,920
bad.
Let's talk about it.

1642
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,360
I find it so funny when because
people do.

1643
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,560
This in all walks of life, when
people use confirmation bias to

1644
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,920
therefore go one step further
and say therefore it doesn't

1645
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,280
exist, I'm like, what are you
talking about?

1646
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:27,840
You know, the confirmation bias.
Fair enough.

1647
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:28,760
That might be a thing.
Yeah.

1648
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,360
But it does still confirm,
though, from my own experiences

1649
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,480
and people around me, that this
thing does exist.

1650
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,920
Yeah.
Maybe I'm misrepresenting how

1651
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:35,880
much it exists.
Sure.

1652
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,160
But when someone says, oh, it's
just confirmation bias, so

1653
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,400
you're completely wrong.
It doesn't even exist what

1654
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,960
you've experienced.
It's just confirmation bias.

1655
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,440
So what do you mean the word
confirmation?

1656
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,200
It's in it.
It's in it, OK.

1657
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,280
It's a bias.
See what happen?

1658
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,920
Yeah, Yeah, no.
It's not existing, it's just.

1659
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Confirmation bias.
So no, no, I'm confirming that I

1660
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,800
that I have seen this happen.
It's just that I might be not

1661
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,840
seeing it not happen because I'm
surrounded by people.

1662
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,480
Just shut up.
What you talking about?

1663
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,040
Yeah, it's just such a nice way
of.

1664
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,320
Trying to shut down an argument
with someone just because I have

1665
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,120
a different opinion to you
doesn't mean I don't know what

1666
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,240
I'm talking about.
It's a classic.

1667
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,320
Oh, I'm just, I'm better.
Than you don't worry, Hun.

1668
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:08,600
Don't worry, don't worry, Don't
worry.

1669
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:09,320
Love it.
Don't worry, love.

1670
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,240
It's just confirmation bias.
We've all been there.

1671
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,280
You probably didn't know what it
was called, but now you know,

1672
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,200
Point Wink.
Next time you'll be all right,

1673
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,880
Right, Let's take a look.
Want to take?

1674
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,680
A look quickly just say the data
here in terms of the five tier

1675
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,520
system you know from causing
concern to exemplary because we

1676
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,080
spoke about how insane we think
it is.

1677
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,600
Do we think that it is a good
thing?

1678
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,200
Will it will it provide a fairer
picture?

1679
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,960
What's the question for schools?
So will it, will it do what it's

1680
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,520
set out to do and be fairer for
schools?

1681
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,760
Much fairer.
What percentage always freeze

1682
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,600
numbers gone then one.
Percent think it's going to be

1683
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:46,320
much fairer.
Somewhat fairer, 24% decent

1684
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,280
chunk and I can see why because
the idea being instead of just

1685
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,480
teaching and learning, maybe
it's fairer because you know

1686
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,480
what, we're good in both.
It's not just hiding something

1687
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,200
and some schools may be behind.
Maybe it's fairer because it's a

1688
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,640
more accurate and the argument
from the government is no, no,

1689
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,480
this is more detailed, this is
what parents want and there is

1690
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,800
an argument to say that, OK, do
you know what?

1691
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,960
Will it be fairer?
Maybe because it's showing well,

1692
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,280
it also really simplistically.
I'm just not even making this

1693
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,120
complex.
It is objectively fairer because

1694
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,200
there's five now instead of
four.

1695
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,520
Yeah, doesn't mean it's better.
Yeah, sure, it is fairer.

1696
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,800
So of course it's fairer because
now I've got three chances to

1697
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,680
not be labelled as rubbish
rather than two.

1698
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,680
So it's like it's almost not
even a point.

1699
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,280
It's like, yeah, it's somewhat.
I think I put somewhat fairer.

1700
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,600
I'm like, yeah, because 5 is
more than 4, not better.

1701
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,880
I think it's a stupid system.
It's like if you said is it

1702
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,520
fairer now, we've now got a 10
point system.

1703
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,240
I'm like, Oh yeah, OK.
It's a bit bit.

1704
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,480
Fairer because there's more
points you could be at, but

1705
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,280
we're not talking about the.
Implementation.

1706
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:41,720
Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
So.

1707
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,760
So 40, sorry, 63% said no
difference.

1708
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,840
Yeah, I can really understand
that point because it's just

1709
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,360
like what it is no different.
You're still judging everything

1710
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,000
in a school on the same way you
did before and you're choosing a

1711
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,960
different word this time.
Yeah, yeah, somewhat less fair

1712
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,440
and much less fair only counted
for about 12%.

1713
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,080
So in general, we can see here
people think it's more fair or

1714
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,320
the same.
Do I get that?

1715
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,040
That's kind of your argument
earlier where you say, well, is

1716
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,720
it a bit better maybe than the
previous one?

1717
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,280
A bit, I guess in this respect,
you know, depends how you

1718
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,320
interrupt with that question.
I think yeah, sure.

1719
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:09,880
But really?
The the massive one there was.

1720
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,640
No difference because it is
literally the same thing.

1721
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,280
So exactly that and and the
last.

1722
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,840
One is just about inclusion, and
I think this just nod towards

1723
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,880
what politicians are saying,
like we really care.

1724
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,360
So inclusion has its own thing
now.

1725
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,040
And that sounds great.
That sounds fantastic, right?

1726
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,720
But you know what's going to
really help with inclusion in

1727
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,880
the school?
Yeah, funding stuff properly so

1728
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,320
that we can actually help our
children get diagnosis, get the

1729
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,240
support they need.
This having it on a strong,

1730
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,160
secure, exemplary base is not
going to impact how I help my

1731
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:38,880
children and how I have
inclusivity.

1732
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,480
And well before you do the stats
of this right, I want.

1733
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,320
To really just root this again,
and if you said to me, do you

1734
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,520
think putting attendance on the
report will improve attendance,

1735
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,120
my answer would be yes.
Not for good reasons.

1736
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:51,920
I don't think it's driving
standards.

1737
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,640
I think we'll do it because it
puts that horrible pressure on

1738
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,240
schools.
It comes with a huge price.

1739
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,880
Sure.
So I kind of take this question

1740
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,920
the same way, you know, do you
think inclusion, do you think

1741
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,000
adding inclusion on the on the
report will lead to meaningful

1742
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,280
improvements on how schools
support disadvantage the S&D

1743
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:06,560
people?
I'm going to slightly push back

1744
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:07,960
because I.
Don't think there's much extra

1745
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,760
room for what schools are doing
right now.

1746
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,120
It suggests that there's more we
can do on what we've got.

1747
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,800
So in saying that it will
improve because it's now in this

1748
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,319
form what it's suggesting that
we can do more, but we're not at

1749
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,000
the minute.
And I kind of my point here is I

1750
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,040
kind of think we're doing as
much as we possibly can.

1751
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,920
Like I get what you mean in
terms of maybe you'll do even

1752
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,359
more because something else will
drop off.

1753
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,240
That's what I'm saying.
But there's still 9 things like

1754
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,840
what's going to drop off like is
attendance going to drop?

1755
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,880
Is teaching and learning is
leading government is like it's

1756
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,399
all there covered.
So something else might drop

1757
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:38,479
off, but it will still be on
that chart.

1758
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:39,840
OK.
And all I'm saying is.

1759
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,439
That's thing is teacher
well-being, it just goes back

1760
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:43,920
to, yeah, do you know what's
going to drop off?

1761
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,200
It's just teachers, even more
teachers, more teachers are

1762
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,800
going to quit.
More teachers are going to get

1763
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,600
the burnout.
More teachers are going to have

1764
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,800
breakdowns in school because
this is completely unmanageable.

1765
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,800
That's kind of what I'm saying.
So I think it, I think it will

1766
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,040
improve.
I think the support schools give

1767
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,319
the disadvantaged pupils will
improve off of the back of

1768
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,240
teachers again and other staff
in the school.

1769
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,160
And it's just, it's just like it
doesn't work because what we

1770
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,319
really need, like you said, is
the funding to do that and

1771
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:08,640
that's, you know, the resources.
So 53.

1772
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,880
Percent, Eva said.
Probably not or definitely not.

1773
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,160
So it won't actually make a
difference.

1774
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,240
I think those I think those
people are just saying what I'm

1775
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,279
already doing.
I can't possibly do anymore or

1776
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,399
something anything unsure. 30%
of people are just like probably

1777
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:21,040
disillusioned.
I think that's the big feeling

1778
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,279
from this disillusioned.
Yeah.

1779
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:24,800
It's like OK, whatever, we don't
do anything and then probably

1780
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,920
will make it fairer or
definitely is 16%.

1781
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,760
So I think that's your line
there.

1782
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,560
But it probably will help in
this way, but it's not the way

1783
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,840
to fix things.
Just a lump more.

1784
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,319
It'll probably be help because
you know what it's.

1785
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,399
Going to make me do an extra
hour of work at the weekend,

1786
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:38,920
right?
Unless I quit, that's how it's

1787
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,040
going to happen.
Yeah.

1788
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,000
And and and.
I think just just to summarise

1789
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,600
that that's, that's what Ofsted
have done.

1790
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,600
That is the, you know, outlook,
that's the outlook we've got.

1791
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,640
You know, I think I think the
reason why I'm pushed towards

1792
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,480
more of a negative feeling is
because I just think they really

1793
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:56,200
egged up how much they were
going to listen, how much they

1794
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,040
were going to change.
We've got a new government in

1795
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,120
who were really big enough,
education's going to be top of

1796
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,760
the list, blah, blah, blah.
And I think it is really

1797
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,080
demoralising to see that these
huge changes that have been put

1798
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,600
in place are making such a
negligible difference as to what

1799
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,720
the actual problems are.
And I think that's driving the

1800
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,520
reaction that we're seeing to
this, which is just simply what

1801
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,120
are you doing?
What is wrong with you to

1802
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,040
summarise?
The only good parts from this

1803
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,640
for me are getting rid of the
one word judgements for the

1804
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,840
overall school.
I think that was a really stupid

1805
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:27,880
thing and I'm glad I got rid of
that.

1806
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,640
And making safeguarding a kind
of its own separate thing.

1807
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,520
And it's just like you were
doing it or not and keeping it

1808
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,240
away from like it's not just
banded together of everything

1809
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:36,360
else.
It's like it's no safeguarding

1810
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:37,520
so important.
It's his own thing.

1811
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,360
But everything else that we've
discussed I just think is even

1812
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,440
more of the same or actually
just worse.

1813
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:44,000
It's going to add pressure to
schools.

1814
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,880
It's going to squeeze schools
even further.

1815
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,400
We'll be more squeezed than
ever.

1816
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,040
Teachers will leave more than
ever.

1817
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,080
I'm calling that right now.
Come back to this episode when

1818
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,280
in two years time, the data is
even worse.

1819
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,760
Teacher attention data is even
worse.

1820
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,640
Will you be one of them?
Probably.

1821
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,720
Honestly.
Probably at this rate, Yeah.

1822
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:00,000
Yeah.
My God.

1823
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,240
Right, let's finish up there.
Thank you so much for listening

1824
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,320
and we'll see you next time.
It's not not much of an episode

1825
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,560
next.
Oh yeah, no.

1826
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,720
I'll, I'll, I'll contain my
excitement for episode What's 99

1827
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,560
+ 1?
I don't know.

1828
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,800
I can't bridge past.
No, no, you can't speak

1829
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:14,320
properly.
And you?

1830
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:15,640
Can't bridge past.
I think actually you need this

1831
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,840
report card I think.
I think causing concern.

1832
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,920
See you next.
Time yeah, for episode. 100 bye.