Ep 93: Reading for Pleasure, Fining Bad Behaviour & 2025 Goals

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teaching

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
How are you doing, Hayden?

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Tired.
I'm so tired.

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Very, very tired.
I was actually just looking at

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us here thinking we look
terrible.

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Good job it's a podcast and only
if you're on Spotify could you

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look at the state of us or watch
one of.

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Our wheels don't.
Don't guys stop looking.

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Stop.
But why are you so tired?

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Well, I think it's pretty
obvious, isn't it, Dylan?

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We've got little children, yes.
And it's been Christmas, yes.

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So it has been absolutely
exhausting.

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I know you were saying earlier
about your social battery is

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exhausted.
I feel exactly the same.

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There's just something about
going to your parents for

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Christmas and then somewhere
else for Boxing Day, somewhere

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else the day after, You know, I
think you even saw your friends.

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I didn't go that far.
That's too much.

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I'm not seeing friends and it's
just absolutely exhausting being

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sociable.
It sounds horrible, doesn't it?

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But it is.
It's so knackering.

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My favourite part of that was
where you pointed at me and said

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I'm not seeing friends whilst we
sat here together in the

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podcast.
Lovely.

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I didn't see you and I'm not
seeing you right now.

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It's the podcast.
You're not here.

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It's it's like, it's absolutely
knackering.

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It's really weird though,
because again, I don't know

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anyone out there with young,
young children.

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I didn't know how it would go.
Rory's fourteen months, nearly

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15 months.
And last year for Christmas, he

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was honestly a sack of potatoes.
He he may as well have been one

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of the dolls or something, Like
I meant nothing to him.

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And this year I was like, I
wonder if he's obviously way

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more sentient now and kind of
knows what's going on and can

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get around.
And I wondered if he'd be

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excited.
And he was so excited for his

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gifts and stuff.
He was, he was like pointing

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like really wanted to open stuff
and genuinely.

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Did he like unwrapping?
Yeah, he.

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Did he did unwrap stuff and like
he came down and we, we got him

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a little chair and he sat in it
and he was like laying down

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smiling.
He was loving it.

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But so I was really happy about
that.

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But the, the weird thing was we
see, we saw our grandpa, his

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grandparents a lot.
So my parents, Lauren's parents,

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and they kind of take over with
Rory because that's their chance

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to give all the attention at
once.

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It's all grandparents there for
and at the time I was like oh

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this is cool I can just sit back
and relax.

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But you don't realise how
mentally exhausting like being

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around groups of people for like
3 days in a row is.

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And I completely crashed
yesterday which was on the first

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day.
We didn't do anything and I'm

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just so physically and mentally
exhausted and it feels like I'm

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not done much and I feel quite
bad saying it.

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Do you know what I mean?
Because I didn't.

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I really enjoyed it.
It was nice being around family

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and friends and stuff, but
obviously you weren't around

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friends.
But I just felt, I don't know,

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it was really weird.
Like I was completely done in

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yeah.
Yeah, well, don't worry, you can

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go back to school soon, go out
to work and have a break from

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all this exhaustion.
Put your feet up over Christmas

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guys, your teachers get too much
time off.

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So Oh my God, I need like
another.

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Week.
Yeah, too much time off.

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You're right.
Absolutely right.

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It's exhausting.
All this time off.

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Cut that from the podcast.
Don't click that.

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I'll be using it.
Yeah, someone, someone from the

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Daily Mail picked that up.
Weak woke lefty teacher says

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they've got too much time off.
OK.

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Oh, some sort of snow.
What about?

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What about river then?
Yeah, it was so nice.

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She had such a good time.
Last year's Christmas.

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I probably talked about it on
the podcast.

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Last year was a complete
disaster, complete disaster.

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Again, she was weeks old, and we
just tried to do too much last

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year.
It just didn't work.

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She spent the whole day
screaming.

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Whereas this year, she
absolutely loved it.

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She loved attention.
She loved getting gifts.

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Well, I say she loved getting
gifts.

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She absolutely loved the
wrapping paper, the bits of

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card, the random bits of
packaging.

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Like she loved those probably
more than the gifts.

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Like the gifts got a little nod
and she was like, whoa, yeah,

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what about this bit of card?
Like, I can Chuck that, though,

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can't I?
And go and get it.

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Like that's fun.
So that was pretty funny just

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seeing her like how they they
just don't care.

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They don't see like value in
things, do they?

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They don't look at that and go,
oh, that's the expensive bit.

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So I'll enjoy it.
They just think, well, that's

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fun.
I don't care that that's also

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fun.
That plastic dog that I got.

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But I tell you what, that bit of
packaging came in is also really

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fun.
Do you find that they that they

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like the best thing in the world
is the most recent thing they've

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opened as well?
Like we sat there and we opened

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loads of stuff and over
Christmas Roy was spoiled and it

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was so nice and we're really
grateful to everyone.

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And then like our friend
Christmas we did yesterday.

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There's a bunch of kids now in
our friends group, so we just

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did a Secret Santa for the kids.
So we got drawn another child

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and someone bought for Rory just
so the kids had something to

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open without having to buy for
like 10 kids.

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And so Rory for his one,
obviously, 'cause we're all

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mates as well.
The parents, Yeah, like the gift

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Rory got was a golf set, like
during them, one of them plastic

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golf sets.
And it's perfect, like, perfect

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for my son.
And he could do some golf within

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20 minutes.
The adults have broken the golf

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set because we tried to do some
no kitchen.

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But let's not forget about that.
Most of the golf sets still

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intact.
But Rory won't go anywhere now

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without dragging this golf set
around with him.

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And he wants the golf set
constantly.

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And it's like, it's really nice.
It's a really nice gift, which

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is this little plastic like
stick.

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Basically he's got.
I'm like, oh, Rory, do you want

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any of the of the previous the
truck things that we've got

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here, which is like big old
truck thing.

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You can sit in your car.
No, I want to hit the golf stick

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against my head repeatedly.
Until you give him a new gift,

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that is the only thing he'll
he'll enjoy.

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I just I just had visions there
and if you and your mates doing

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secrets and through the kids and
just like the office, you, you,

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you got someone like an iPod.
You're like, Oh, golf set.

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What did you, what did you open
your one?

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Open your one over there?
Oh, who got them that iPod set?

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Wow.
I could show you how old you

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are.
No one gets an iPod anymore, and

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if an iPod exists.
IPods.

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Can you buy an iPod nowadays?
Probably not.

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Buy a phone.
God, that's terrible, isn't?

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It anyway, I've got a question
to ask you.

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Did you over the Christmas
festive period try and play a

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board game with your family?
Sort of.

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Right.
Go on.

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It wasn't a ball game.
We played a game.

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Right.
And how did it go?

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It was.
Actually really fun.

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Did it go right?
Yeah.

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I can't do it anymore.
Why?

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I just can't.
It's a running joke of my

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family.
That do you mean you can't?

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Have you tried to explain the
rules of a board game to more

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than six people sat around the
Christmas table?

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Oh, did you listen to the other
five times I asked you?

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And I'm just there like, please
don't use my teacher voice.

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Please don't use my teacher
voice.

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I'm like, what's the rule again?
Like mate, you're worse than my

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9 year olds.
I can't do.

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It I literally saw memes about
that on Instagram of like the

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one one person in the family who
just wishes everyone else

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listened to the rules and
they're just sat there like

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hating life.
I just, I'm like, Oh my God,

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they'll ask me.
OK, Dylan, you're the teacher.

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You read the rules and you can
explain the rules to us.

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OK, So I take it really
seriously.

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I'm reading the rules.
OK, I'm going to put this into

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like, there's like four or five
sides of rules here.

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I'm just going to put it into a
really nice compound message.

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I'm going to tell them.
What?

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Can you spell that again?
No, not really.

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What about this?
I'm getting there.

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I've got there, yet I'm not
doing it.

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Oh, God, That's the board games.
Nope.

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Unless they're really simple.
Nope.

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You missed the trick.
That's what we did.

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Simple.
We played a game, literally the

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best game we played, extremely
simple, bunch of play dough and

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the game was you get 5 minutes.
Can you eat the play dough?

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You can eat the most play dough
without firing up river one.

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No, it was like, plus you get 5
minutes and it's like a random

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picture generated on your phone
and it's you just got you just

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it's the best person to like the
best model of that thing when

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it's the window.
Judge, was that who?

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Judges, we just picked between
us, you all vote like who made

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the best things.
It was the first one was like a

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duck.
It was always making a duck out

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of place.
It's just funny because

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obviously people, some people
rush because they're trying to

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beat the timer and it looks
hilariously bad.

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Some people go too slow.
That's me or every time not

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finished.
It's just pretty funny game.

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Easy to, easy to do, no rules.
Yeah.

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Well done.
Yeah, thanks.

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Well, when I'll catch up, we're
gonna do a lot of talking today

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about reflecting on the year.
This is the last episode of

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2024.
We're gonna talk about our goals

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for next year.
There is something in the news.

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I think we might spark a nice
discussion after this little

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Jingle.
We're going to play and then

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we're going to finish up with
you've got a nice little royal

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oh of.
Course I have, that's the best

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bit.
That's the best bit.

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We're going to talk about some
teacher nightmares, so let's

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play the Jingle and jump into
this Tony Blair Institute in the

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news.
What's going on?

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Let's find out, shall we?
I've been reliably informed that

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it's not an institute, it's not
the Tony Blair Institute.

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Actually, you know, there's a
Tony Blair think tank.

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Sorry, sorry for that.
Anyway, in the news, I, I really

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can't wait to hear what you
think about this.

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Go on.
So in the news there's, there's

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this article that's been
published by the Guardian and

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they're talking about some
findings from a think tank led

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by Tony Blair basically.
And it's about education

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because, you know, Tony Blair is
bigger than education.

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How to solve it and how to crack
down on it.

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And it's to do behaviour because
behaviour in schools, I think we

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all accept it at least feels
like it's got a lot worse.

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And there's a lot of reasons for
that.

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But anyway, one of the solutions
given by this think tank is so

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ministers should give teachers
the power to fine parents if

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they do not engage with the
school to tackle epidemic of bad

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behaviour.
Oh so educators should have the

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same legal powers they have over
non attendance?

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So you know you get fined for
not attending?

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School.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, they're saying we should
expand that to compel parents to

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turn up to meetings with the
school, agree an action plan for

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their child if they're really
misbehaving, just basically

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spread that out a bit more to
not just attendance.

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But the argument here is, cool,
OK, well, you're attending, but

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you're not paying any effort.
You might as well not be in

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there.
You're just disrupting other

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people.
If anything, you being in school

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is actually worse for the other
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getting anything out of it
because you are not trying your

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hardest.
Your behaviour is terrible.

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So they should be put onto the
parents then and fines should be

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kind of expanded to cover that
as well.

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What's what's your initial?
Take my gut reaction is is that

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I don't like it.
I don't.

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Maybe we'll take a minute to
explore why, but I did.

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That doesn't feel right.
It doesn't feel right.

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Yes, I do think there is a
problem.

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I do think behaviour is getting
worse.

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I think that maybe something
drastic needs to happen, which

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is probably what they're going
down here like that route of

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like we need drastic action to
to fix this.

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But I don't know why is it, Is
it always money?

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Why is it?
Yeah, I don't know.

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There's something, there's
something about finding people

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in general that I've always
found weird in culture.

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Like I've always maybe all my,
my lefty wokey mates.

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I've always said like, oh, it
does just affect poor people

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though really, Of course,
doesn't it?

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It's like rich people don't care
about fines, do they?

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I'm sick and tired of hearing
fining as being the answer to

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everything.
I was like are you insane?

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Do you know the reason we're in
this mess is because probably a

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big part of it is the socio
economic injustice in this

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country that we've got right now
where the complete wealth

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inequality that we've got years
and years of austerity.

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I'm not funding things is
adequately and not having

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children develop in ways they
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They're ripping out of Surestar
to support families who need it

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at the earliest points of the
child's like lifetime where most

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we all agree most of this
child's outcomes are already

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decided in the first few years.
Oh, it's all right.

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When they're 13 and misbehaving
in school, we'll just find them

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some more because they're own
fault.

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Yeah, that would stop.
Them are we insane?

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It's not going to do anything.
And you're completely right

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about finding, finding is it's
completely, whatever you think

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about it.
If a poor family on Universal

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Credit are getting fined the
same amount as a rich family

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whose charged just a little
nightmare as well, that's

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obviously going to completely
like massively affect that

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poorer family much more in terms
of just how much of their income

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they're being fined.
What's £80?

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It's the same when rich families
go on go on holiday 4 * a year.

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Or are we going to be fined
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OK.
Yeah, makes no difference to me.

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Or like you've parked on those
WS again in your Lamborghini.

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That Yeah, I don't care.
It's a Lamborghini.

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I'll take the French and find to
park where I want.

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Thank you.
And half the time I won't even

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get fined because no one will
catch me.

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It's worth it.
It's you.

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You.
They they're more able to take

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the risks.
Like it doesn't matter to them.

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Yeah.
I'm just sick and tired of

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finding being any, like, ever
being used as a way to try and

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control people.
Because finding only tries to

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control poor people.
That's the only way.

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Finding is only adequate if it's
related to how much you earn.

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Yeah.
So if if it's like OK, I think

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in some countries speeding
tickets are like a percentage

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of.
Your our country is to a certain

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level.
Oh, really?

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Yeah, yeah, there are certain
degrees of speeding tickets,

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like there's like the first
level of ticket that's like

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standard for everyone.
But after that, like if you're

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if you're speeding, fine is like
really particularly bad.

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It is like a weak income.
Wow, so you know a lot about

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speeding tickets?
I don't know why I know anything

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about that.
But yeah, look, but I think

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that's right.
And I saw someone tried to

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defend it and say that's not
right.

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It just should be the the money
you get is the punishment.

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No, I'm not getting.
Completely wrong.

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No, the point of a fine, it's
supposed to be a deterrent,

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right?
And if it's not a deterrent

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because you've got loads of
money, then it's that is

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pointless.
It's not even court.

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It's not even doing anything.
Exactly.

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So go even going back to it
though, like I felt it was a bit

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click bait anyway, like giving
teachers the power just like

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they have that I don't even have
the power to fine for

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attendance.
What you're talking about your

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head teacher does.
I have nothing to do with it

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really.
Like literally nothing to I

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don't think any teacher in this
country is actually being like

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getting out that little fine
book and issuing that fine to

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that parent.
No, no, no teachers doing that

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anyway.
It's just such an easy way for

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me to appease, like they're
trying to appease the right

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People like to say that they're
doing something.

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Yeah, we're going to find these
people.

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Like you're just dog whistling.
To those people who think

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everything is the individual's
fault all of the time.

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You're on bloody benefits and
your kids are nightmare at

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school.
Yeah, you should be fined.

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It's like, are you serious about
actually tackling this problem

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or are you just trying to put up
a facade?

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But yeah, we're the government
and we're doing something.

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Absolutely.
There's there's a certain group

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of let's say 60 plus white male,
let's say sort of right wing and

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it just radish.
There's a certain group of

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people that that would appeal
to.

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I can't think of a single word.
I can't summarise them.

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I don't know.
I did.

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There's, you know.
No.

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Anyway, whatever that group is.
But it's true.

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They're the ones that, yeah,
even put up on your bootstraps.

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Look, we're not saying it's a
problem, but if you it's, it's

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like when we talked about the
whole episode, we have to do

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with attendance.
If you're really serious about

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fixing this issue, this is not
going to do.

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It goes deeper.
That's that's true, isn't it?

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Go back and listen to that one.
Don't know when it was about

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attendance.
Find it good.

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Luckily, all three figures
aided.

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It could be.
It could be anywhere.

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I know, right?
We're approaching episode 100.

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But yeah, anyway, a big part of
this was, and the way this think

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tank kind of framed this was it
would help retention and

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recruitment in teaching because
it would give teachers the power

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to call things out earlier and
sort it out because behaviour is

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a big issue with retention.
Basically it's like, yeah, this

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would help that because it would
help solve behaviour, therefore

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help with retention and
recruitment.

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And I was like simultaneously it
also said that it would be

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giving teachers more
safeguarding responsibility and

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and able to call stuff out.
It's like, oh, that's a weird

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framing.
They've cracked it.

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We've got much more
responsibility again.

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Can you believe that?
Do you know what teachers need

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more than anything Haidam?
It's another role in their job

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that they have to complete and
compile them and file and do and

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go for more.
Responsible, more

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responsibility.
I'll tell you what.

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Imagine Tony Blair.
I don't know why.

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It's just Tony Blair now.
Him sat there.

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Tony Blair.
There's his think tank.

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It's just himself.
Just Tony Blair.

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Just talking to someone, writing
two buttons.

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The classic meme. 2 buttons.
One says more money, more

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funding, less responsibility.
The other one is more power.

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Teachers.
What the teachers really want.

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I think it's more power.
I think teachers want more

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power.
That's it.

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They love teachers.
Probably.

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And by power we mean workload.
More stuff to do, yeah.

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Yeah, I don't know, a bit dumb,
doesn't it?

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It's just.
It's just.

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I was talking about this the
other day with Joe.

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Over Christmas.
You talked.

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You've talked to people who
aren't in your bubble, don't

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you?
It's a big thing about

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Christmas.
Your entire family, Yeah.

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Exactly.
Yeah, people who aren't in

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teaching, but the, the, the
interesting thing about teaching

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is everyone's been through the
education system.

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So and, and I think it's a
classic thing to say, oh, these

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days everything's worse.
You are back in that day,

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everything's getting worse.
Can you believe these kids these

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days?
And I just remember talking, I

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was talking to a family, I was
like, if we just actually think

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about it for a minute,
especially in education for

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children specifically, things
have got so much better, so much

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better.
And like this was in the same

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conversation, by the way, where
a family member was saying, oh,

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Can you believe kids?
Are these there, blah, blah,

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blah.
But in the same conversation, we

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talked about how they used to
get whipped by the headteacher

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in headteachers office and
thrown like board, like board

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was thrown at the head.
And I was like, you just listen

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to what we're saying for a
minute.

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Like the biggest part of my job
now as a teacher is

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safeguarding.
I think that's why the event

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you've asked any teacher, what's
the number one responsibility

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you've got to teachers to
keeping children safe.

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That's the number one thing
we're we're coming from a point

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where 4050 years ago teachers
were allowed to hit literally

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not make themselves so so it
beats them.

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It's like, Can you imagine these
days like you have a bored

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rubber and whack it your head
and then like reporting it

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yourself on my concern or.
Something like writing it.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yourself.

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The point is it's completely
transformed as a job where

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children have got more
safeguarding than ever, which is

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absolutely right.
But where is the bulk of that

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responsibility and workload
landed on?

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It's the teacher whose honestly
whose job was just to teach

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mouse or just to teach English.
And I'm not saying it shouldn't

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be the responsibility of the
teacher to look for safeguarding

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and stuff, it absolutely should
be.

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But let's not pretend that A,
it's as easy a job as it ever

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been or B, that it's getting
worse for children.

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It's like, no, it's getting much
better for children all the

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time.
And the job is much harder than

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ever for a teacher.
So if you're, if you're still

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trapped in the 70s of thinking,
oh, bloody teachers come in.

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I remember my teachers smoking
at the front and throwing and

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throwing a board at me and I
just went home at 3:15 with all

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the kids and, and it's a
completely different job now.

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And I think lots of people still
have that in their head when

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they look at teachers.
I've literally heard stories

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from teachers who still teach,
but that taught 20-30 years ago

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who were like, yeah, at
lunchtime.

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We used to just go down the pub.
It was like a pub day once a

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week.
We'd go and literally have like,

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alcohol.
Yeah, I was like, that sounds

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mad.
Yeah, And it just winds me up

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when, when, especially when
teachers themselves will comment

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on stuff we post online and be
like, it's always been hard, OK.

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Yeah.
Like, listen, I'm sure 30 years

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ago you had moments where you
thought this is stressful, and

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I'm sure it was.
Please don't compare it like

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it's.
It's just apples and pears,

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isn't it?
It's completely different.

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It's not the same job.
It's not the same.

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I'm not even saying that from a
as if like I will work 30 years

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ago.
I'm saying that genuinely from

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having spoke to so many teachers
who actually do just agree and

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say like, Oh yeah, this job is
nothing like it was 20 years

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ago.
Well, and the point was, having

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talked to these family members
within 5 minutes of talking

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about it all, all of them are
like, oh, yeah, I guess that's

458
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,000
right.
Yeah.

459
00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,400
Yeah.
They just because people don't

460
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,040
think about it more than 5
minutes because they don't have

461
00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:35,840
to.
They're not involved in the

462
00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,440
education world.
They just have their

463
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,160
experiences.
Yeah.

464
00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,720
And then they go, oh, yeah.
No, I guess to be fair, yeah, I

465
00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,480
guess children are a lot safer
now and teachers do have a lot

466
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:43,920
more to do.
Did.

467
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,400
You not have anyone in your
family sort of age, 6012, white

468
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,000
male who said I'll bring back
the board brothers?

469
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,680
Because I feel like if I had
that conversation, there'll be

470
00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,880
at least someone in my family
that'll be like, I'll bring it

471
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,880
back.
They'd ignore everything I said,

472
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,680
yeah.
Yeah.

473
00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,360
I mean, I mean, what do you do
with those people?

474
00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,360
I don't.
Know I usually you know what

475
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,560
I've you know me.
We're very similar in terms of

476
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,600
we start a freaking podcast to
do this, but like we'll argue

477
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,040
with people and debate.
I'll get really vexed and

478
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,080
annoyed.
I am starting starting.

479
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,000
It's particularly with family
now to just not care anymore.

480
00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,040
Yeah.
Like I can't even be bothered to

481
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,640
have the debate to the point
where I'll even just like yeah,

482
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,520
yeah, yeah.
Like it almost sounds like I'm

483
00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,400
agreeing because I just I just
think I just what's the plan not

484
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,800
to be bothered?
You change know that you're you

485
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,800
know you're age 60 plus you're a
white male and.

486
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,240
It means quite of a word for
these people.

487
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,840
I just, I don't know, it's just
a group, isn't it?

488
00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,920
And I'm like, I'm just, I'm
never going to change your mind.

489
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,200
I'm you've reached a level of
obnoxiousness if that's a word,

490
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,360
and it's like it's I'm nothing.
Do you said question here and

491
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,480
then people listening who are
like, yeah, do you feel like

492
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,040
you're that the other way?
What you can't change?

493
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,560
My mind just like, well, I think
this, yeah, if someone came

494
00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,560
along and really tried to say to
you, look, well, no, no, I think

495
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,560
fines are good because, yeah, I
know they impact these people

496
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,880
more, but that's the majority of
the population.

497
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:00,840
And yeah, it shouldn't impact
them.

498
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,520
There's always going to be some.
What would you do instead?

499
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,600
I mean, they've got to find
people.

500
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,600
How else are you going to fix
this?

501
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,320
What's the deterrent that you
put rich blah, blah blah.

502
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,000
Do do you feel like you're
equally like, well, I've made-up

503
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,600
my mind or?
I don't think so.

504
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,320
I think, I think, I think it's
the scale, isn't it?

505
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,240
Maybe some things are a bit
closer to that thing where I'm

506
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,440
where I'm really, really
confident in my arguments where

507
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,440
I'm like, there's nothing that
can that can argue this.

508
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,080
But other things I think I'm
quite open.

509
00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,840
Like I have a base opinion and
maybe I'll spend 10 minutes

510
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,880
thinking about it, but then
someone else who's thought is

511
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,720
written an essay about it could
come along and I would

512
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,960
absolutely respect their
opinion.

513
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,000
And they're like, well, you
clearly know more.

514
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,120
I think that's the difference,
isn't it?

515
00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:33,880
When when it sounds, it does
sound a bit obnoxious.

516
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,280
But when you and I, as teachers
who've done the job for 10

517
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,880
years, talk about what it's like
to be a teacher, and someone who

518
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,600
hasn't been in school for 45
years tries to reply as if they

519
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,680
know as much as we do about the
school, that's where I struggle

520
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,320
with it because I'm just like,
OK, how do you politely just say

521
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,720
to someone you are just wrong,
though?

522
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,840
But it's not it's not an opinion
anymore.

523
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,440
It's it's just wrong that kids
aren't safer than it's just.

524
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,200
Yeah.
Yeah.

525
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,600
Oh, particularly when it's just
everyone's entitled to their.

526
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,400
Opinion, but not really.
When it's just wrong though,

527
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,760
yeah, it's.
Not really in the people if

528
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,400
you're if you're forming your
opinion from one source of

529
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,880
media, that's what that's what I
find it tricky.

530
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,240
People that read loads and
genuinely consume a lot of

531
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,080
perspectives and things, I think
have a really good, valid

532
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,640
opinion, even though, even if
they've not been in school for a

533
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,320
long time.
It's the people that it's like

534
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,960
they only read one newspaper and
watch one channel and they

535
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,760
occasionally see an article
about this thing and then they

536
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,800
have a really strong opinion
about how teachers should be

537
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,640
doing their jobs.
And I'm like, you don't really

538
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,760
know any of the nuances though.
You don't have anything about it

539
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,240
really other than the propaganda
that you have like sold.

540
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,160
So I just find it tricky to have
those conversations with people

541
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,320
because I get so emotional.
I just have to.

542
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,640
I think I've started to switch
off as well.

543
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,880
I mean, the podcast has helped
in terms of this.

544
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,520
Is this can be your advice to
say or do you think it's

545
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,080
completely?
Separate no, I think it has

546
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,960
helped a little bit, especially
knowing that a lot of people,

547
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,960
which I'm quite surprised that
still like the bulk of people

548
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,960
who message us and comment our
stuff do generally agree.

549
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,040
Oh, which is quite nice.
And I feel like online that's

550
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,600
not a thing.
Like online all you do is get

551
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,080
hate.
Like genuinely look at anything

552
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,200
else.
You look open the comments on

553
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,680
any video ever and the first top
comment will be someone just

554
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,920
disagreeing with whatever the
video is.

555
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,880
It's just, it's just the way we
are.

556
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,040
And I feel like we we do get
that, but it's not as much as I

557
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,520
thought.
It's it's honestly 95% plus is

558
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,720
positive.
Which is cool.

559
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,400
Genuinely.
So yeah, it's nice.

560
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,080
It's nice to feel like, do you
know what this sounds so GB

561
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,360
newsy what I'm about to say,
because I've thought about

562
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,400
saying this a few times in like,
do you know when you're trying

563
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,200
to get stuff across quick?
Like if people come across the

564
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,840
podcast online and stuff, I'm
like, maybe maybe our listeners

565
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,360
could help us.
Like what would you, how would

566
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:33,080
you summarise this podcast in
like a sentence?

567
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,200
So people are like, Oh, I'll
listen to that because so far

568
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,480
it's just like primary school
teachers, like I find it really

569
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,200
hard to get across the fact
we're quite laid back.

570
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,760
We, we try and have a joke, but
we talk about really serious

571
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,440
stuff.
I, I find that hard to get

572
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,000
across to people who quickly on
social media.

573
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,760
Anyway, I thought to myself,
Gemma, we, we say what people

574
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,720
are thinking.
And I was like, oh.

575
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,720
God, oh God, oh.
God, don't say that 'cause

576
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,920
that's like the most Nigel
Farage thing I've ever.

577
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,280
He says what we're all thinking.
I was like all.

578
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,400
But that is what people tell us.
People.

579
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,880
Mesh doesn't go that's exactly
what I was thinking and I'm

580
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,080
scared to say that in my school
because of XYZ.

581
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,800
And how do I get that across
without signing like a, a like

582
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,720
right wing, like, yeah, we say,
Oh yeah, then get it, buddy.

583
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,080
Get.
It and this podcast is sponsored

584
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,960
by Reform.
I'm not, I'm not doing it.

585
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,040
They'll sue us.
Don't even do that.

586
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,800
Yeah, honestly go.
But yeah anyway, interesting.

587
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,440
I I'm fed up of fines being a
thing when when it comes to

588
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,040
children's behaviours and stuff
because I think money is the

589
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,880
root cause and funding is the
root cause of half of these

590
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,120
problems.
And I think it's so easy for

591
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,360
people in charge to point the
blame at individuals when they

592
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,120
spent the last 15 years ripping
apart any support they've got

593
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,800
whatsoever.
And I just don't really get

594
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,880
what.
I don't get what it would do

595
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,680
anyway, like.
It's meant to force to force.

596
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,400
Parents to do something, that's
what it's meant to be.

597
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,080
Yeah, but they don't do you know
what the problem is?

598
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,880
They don't know what to do, I
imagine, right.

599
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,920
In most cases, right.
They don't know what to do

600
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,360
otherwise they do it.
Yeah.

601
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,720
It's it's just this horrible
assumption, I think that the,

602
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,800
the, the parents, they, they
don't care or, or they do get,

603
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,560
they just don't care enough.
It's like, oh, if I had a bit of

604
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,240
money, though, I would start
caring about doing the right

605
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,320
thing for my kids.
And you know what?

606
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,720
That's really rude.
Yeah.

607
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,000
So as if, like you think every
kid that's badly behaved has

608
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,440
parents that just don't care
about their behaviour.

609
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,360
Probably not true.
Really.

610
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,520
Is it like, I don't know.
I'm yeah, some cases, I'm sure,

611
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,600
but there's gonna be tonnes of
cases.

612
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,160
But that's not the not the case.
And taking money away from them

613
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,200
isn't gonna do.
Anything is this has has fines

614
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,640
solved the the education?
Sorry I can't even get my words

615
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,920
out I'm so annoyed.
Have fines solved the attendance

616
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,720
crisis?
No, that's.

617
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000
Not remotely, of course not,
because it's not.

618
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,840
That's not why kids aren't
coming into school so mum can

619
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,920
afford groceries that week, no.
In America.

620
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,280
I don't know.
Anyway, very interesting.

621
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,760
I'd love to hear what you guys
think about how to try and solve

622
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,720
the behavioural problem because
I do think behaviour is a huge

623
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,440
problem.
I think it's a massive driver of

624
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,120
why teachers are leaving the job
in droves.

625
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,080
I think it's a huge issue that
needs tackling.

626
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:54,120
I think this is just a plaster
on a open wound that barely

627
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:55,920
covers it.
It's like, it's like a plaster

628
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,640
on an open wound but it's in the
wrong place in your body.

629
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,880
It's like, oh God, I've got a
huge gash on my elbow.

630
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,880
Do you want a plaster for your
head?

631
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,920
Not really really help.
I love it.

632
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,320
Should we talk about some more
fun stuff?

633
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,040
OK Hayden, so reflecting on
2024, we put together a list of

634
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,200
our best of.
So we've got a few categories,

635
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,120
starting off with our best
children's book of 2024.

636
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,520
Doesn't have to be one that's
been actually released this

637
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,240
year, but our experience of
reading it for the first time or

638
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,400
coming across it.
What's been your favourite

639
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,680
children's book of 2024?
It's an easy one, Dylan.

640
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,680
It's an easy one because I
enjoyed this so much.

641
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,680
It was the Boy in the Tower by
Polly Ho Yen.

642
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,840
It's I mean, you're going to
know I love this.

643
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,080
It's post apocalyptic.
Oh right, one of those I loved

644
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,640
post pocket I don't feel like.
There's many children's books.

645
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,920
Yeah, I know, I know.
Right.

646
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,120
And when I was reading it, I was
like, oh, is this appropriate

647
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,040
for kids?
That was my first thought.

648
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,320
And I was reading.
I was like, yeah, it is

649
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,160
actually.
Because, like it, it's just, do

650
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,680
you want me to tell you, like, a
summary of the story?

651
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,800
Yeah.
So it follows a young boy who

652
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,360
lives in a tower with his mum.
His mum.

653
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,960
Wait a minute, this boy's in the
tower.

654
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,560
Boy, isn't that the title is
just so cryptic and and

655
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,640
basically there's like the world
is invaded by these like aliens.

656
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,080
I think they're aliens.
I don't really know, but they

657
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,840
seem to have come from that
space, paying attention to it.

658
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,880
And I don't really, they say
don't explore it, but they're

659
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,600
like these strange plants that
eat buildings and they decimate,

660
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,600
they decimate London like the
whole, the whole city just gets

661
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,240
like just destroyed by these
plants.

662
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,440
And he's in this like last
remaining tower essentially.

663
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,560
And it follows his story and his
journey of survival with a, with

664
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,440
a few other people in the tower
who like, obviously there's

665
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,120
nothing works anymore.
They run out of water, run out

666
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:28,400
of food and they have to try and
escape.

667
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,600
It's a really gripping narrative
and I don't know, there's just

668
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,720
it explores lots of themes as
well, like his mum is suffering

669
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,600
from mental health issues and
that's like a like a secondary

670
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,240
theme running for this book of
this boy who has to fend for

671
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,240
himself as independence.
And it's just one of those

672
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,160
things where I was like, when
the kids are reading this, I

673
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,760
love a book where some kids
might relate to it, even even

674
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,880
unlike a really deep person.
Like my tower has been invaded

675
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,920
by aliens.
Oh my God, finally a book for

676
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,000
me.
Literally.

677
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520
But there's just something about
like, I don't know, books that

678
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,480
explore those bigger issues like
mental health or or people who

679
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,120
don't just have that perfect
family life.

680
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,640
You know, there's so many kids
don't don't grow up in that,

681
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,360
that what's what's the nuclear
family like?

682
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,160
They don't grow up like that any
like anymore.

683
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,120
As if they ever.
Did no.

684
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,040
But what's great about modern
literature, I think, is that you

685
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,920
get a vast.
Amount exactly whereas I feel

686
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,840
like you didn't use our
traditional stories are all very

687
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,840
like oh it's.
In the English countryside and

688
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,280
we're going to explore the
fields and Oh my gosh, we got

689
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,240
lost in the Meadow.
It's called the Meadow and the

690
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Hare.
But mummy and daddy came and

691
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,360
saved me and it's whereas this
one's just not.

692
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:26,880
It's just like, no, they're just
a poor family.

693
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,720
They live in a tower.
His mum doesn't look after him.

694
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,200
He's a boy.
He's literally by himself.

695
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,280
Shut up.
It's a really, really good book.

696
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,160
I I don't want to give away too
much of the story, but I would

697
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,360
urge people to read it could.
I think, I think you've hit the

698
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:43,720
nail on the head in terms of I
think sometimes children are in

699
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,560
situations at home where they
don't even necessarily know what

700
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,120
situation they're in.
Does that make any sense?

701
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,480
Yeah, absolutely.
There'll be a lot of children

702
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,280
who have parents with mental
health issues where the parents

703
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,880
are doing the absolute best they
can, trying to shield their

704
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,120
children from all those issues
and dramas and stuff, but it's

705
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:58,200
still obviously in the
background going to be shaping

706
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,840
their life.
And then the children will read

707
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,200
a book like this.
But it's like my mum.

708
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,720
And and kind of relate to that
character.

709
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Oh, yeah.
I don't, I don't, I don't

710
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,320
understand those struggles a
little bit.

711
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,240
And I was OK.
This guy overcame them because

712
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,880
of.
So yeah, I do, especially for

713
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,320
the age group because I'm year 6
and I don't think I'd recommend

714
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,680
reading that lower.
OK, yeah, I think it was quite

715
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,720
mature.
But I can see my year 6 is

716
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,160
coping with it.
And those kids at that point,

717
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,680
it's like, that's when they
start to notice differences,

718
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,840
isn't it?
That's when they start to go

719
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,920
hang on a minute, my friends.
My friend's life is very

720
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,400
different to mine, actually.
Like, what is normal?

721
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,840
Am I normal?
Is this right?

722
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,480
Like, you start to develop those
anxieties.

723
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,880
So I just think reading
different perspectives is always

724
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:33,960
great.
Brilliant.

725
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,360
Yeah.
What about you, my one again?

726
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,960
It's fun enough.
It's the most recent book that

727
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,480
I've read.
It's The Wild Robot.

728
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,400
It's been recently adapted into
a DreamWorks film.

729
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,560
It's on the Amazon Prime, I
think.

730
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,440
And that kind of piqued my
interest because it got adapted

731
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,920
from a children's book.
And I said, OK, it's getting a

732
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,880
lot of good reviews.
So I haven't watched the film

733
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,320
yet.
I thought I'd read the book 1st.

734
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,560
And it's an unbelievable book.
Like it's so good.

735
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,120
And I can see why people really,
really like connected with it a

736
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,240
little bit.
Two things I wanted to say about

737
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,040
it, really.
The first one was, it got me

738
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,520
excited.
This is just like a practical

739
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,400
thing really, because I'm gonna
read it to my class in the new

740
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000
year, right?
Because the chapters are honest.

741
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,640
They're all 1-2 or three pages
long.

742
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,680
Wow.
The chapters are really short,

743
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,160
quick.
Something happens and it leads

744
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,400
on to something else that's
about to happen.

745
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Something happens, leads on to
something else and it's the

746
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,880
perfect book to read to your
class because if you have two

747
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,360
minutes or 10 minutes, you can
read a chunk and stop And and

748
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:27,760
you're not like halfway through
a chapter.

749
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,720
There's nothing more annoying
than when there's like 20 page

750
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,240
chapters.
You're halfway through this

751
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,160
really intense tech chat and
you're just actually to have

752
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,280
time.
Kids, we've got to stop right

753
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,240
now.
This is really bite sized.

754
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,320
It's really easy to read it.
It like the story moves quickly

755
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,440
because it's in those short
chapters and basically it

756
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,400
follows this robot living in
this world, it's kind of

757
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600
futuristic world.
Eventually you find out that

758
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480
there are robots everywhere.
Post apocalyptic, No, not quite.

759
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
But the basically this robot,
it's being transported on a

760
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,680
cargo ship in in a crate.
There's a big crash.

761
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,760
All the robots like 495 out of
500 of them just get lost in the

762
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,760
ocean. 5 crates are travelling
towards the island.

763
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,200
That's how it starts.
And one by one, the crates get

764
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,600
demolished.
Like a wave hits them, a rock

765
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,160
hits them, and there's just one
left in the end.

766
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,440
And this group of otters come up
and accidentally activate this

767
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,320
robot on this island.
And this island is just full of

768
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,160
wildlife.
This is unbelievable

769
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,000
descriptions of animals, of
plants and wildlife.

770
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,920
It's so, so good.
And this robot basically awakens

771
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000
and learns the ways of the
animals, learns their languages

772
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,360
and adopts this goose.
So basically the whole, the

773
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,640
whole story is the accidentally
kills a family of geese, right?

774
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Climbing on the wall, there's a
storm comes in and this family

775
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,080
of geese die.
And he finds an egg.

776
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,200
And he protects this, She
protects this egg.

777
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,800
Ross, who's the robot and
becomes the egg's mother, right?

778
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,440
And the whole story is the goose
grows up, goes on a migration

779
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,840
this kind of, again, there's
these things children can relate

780
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,160
to really in terms of like,
again, like a broken family.

781
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,360
Like I'm not a traditional
family.

782
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,200
It's a robot.
And and the goose.

783
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,640
My dad's a robot, my mum's a
goose.

784
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,000
It's that thing that gets
always.

785
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,600
It's classic, isn't it?
It's like I can relate to that

786
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
to be honest with you.
But you know these these moments

787
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,840
of like the goose grows up and
realises its mum is not the same

788
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,600
as the mum can't fly or or.
It's the metaphor, isn't it?

789
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Exactly.
And then eventually the goose

790
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,720
goes on a migration.
Robots left there.

791
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,640
And as a parent, now that we're
parents, you watch and you're

792
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,800
like, Oh my, this is like the
whole metaphor of like growing

793
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,440
up.
Basically the other perspective.

794
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,080
And by the end I'm no spoilers
or anything but like the the

795
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,360
ending I can imagine especially
in a film version Tear jacker.

796
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,000
Yeah, yeah, tear jacker.
Did it make you feel a bit

797
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,360
welled up?
Yeah, a little bit.

798
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,320
You can kind of imagine what
where it might be going and

799
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,280
stuff.
But the last third of the book,

800
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,040
I couldn't put it down.
Like it was so intense.

801
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,400
I was like, Oh my God, I need
something happens next.

802
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,040
And that's what I want for my
kids.

803
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,280
A really good quality story.
Amazing description all about

804
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,120
wildlife.
The way the author talks about

805
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,120
these different animals and
stuff is so good.

806
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,040
What age range would you say?
I would say you, I honestly

807
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,080
think you could read that as a
class, but you read it to like

808
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,600
your year twos, your year three.
What would?

809
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,680
You say it's the best for.
I'd say, I'd say best for year 3

810
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,600
for because because again,
towards the end, not net,

811
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080
there's a little bit of
violence, like tiny bit of

812
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,560
violence.
There's like kind of jeopardy

813
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920
almost at the end, but I think
it's enough for any child to

814
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,280
kind of handle.
There's no goal or anything like

815
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,160
that.
It's not too mature.

816
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,760
It's not too mature at all.
No, it's just like there's a

817
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,240
there's a bit of danger towards
the end.

818
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Willy Gal of it.
Yeah, it's it's so good.

819
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,720
So like read it.
Like I'd recommend adults to

820
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,240
read it as well as well as
children.

821
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,240
Yeah, I think it genuinely
sounds really good.

822
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,440
Good.
OK next one it's kind of linked

823
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,280
what's I'm going to start with
mine if you don't mind.

824
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,200
Favourite adults book?
Now I I'm a bit interested to

825
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,680
hear what you say about reading
as an adult.

826
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,800
I I try and read as much as
possible.

827
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,880
I I tend to enjoy non fiction
books more.

828
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,760
OK.
So for me personally, if I think

829
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,920
about the books I've read in
2024, 2 stand out for me and

830
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,800
they're both to do with like
professions and almost like

831
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,520
explaining, do you know what?
We want this.

832
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640
We talk about teaching and we're
like, oh, the insides of

833
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,000
teaching.
I found I only read it this

834
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,800
year.
It's an older book by Adam Kay,

835
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,480
who's an ex Doctor Who's become
like a comedian and a writer and

836
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,640
stuff since called This is going
to Her.

837
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640
And it's basically his published
Diaries of his time training as

838
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,280
a doctor, becoming a doctor,
going through all that.

839
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,520
It's amazing because it's
hilarious.

840
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,440
It's like it's tear jerking
again.

841
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,600
You realise you, you're, you're
reading it.

842
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,520
And it helped me as a teacher
realise, oh, I'm not just a

843
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,360
victim of this society.
Everything's broken.

844
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,760
OK, I understand that now.
OK, Doctors, nurses, healthcare,

845
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,480
you read it and you're like, how
do you function?

846
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Like it being broken is normal
for them?

847
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,480
Can we talk about toxic schools
and stuff?

848
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,920
And some schools are good, some
schools are bad.

849
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,360
It's normal for a doctor.
Completely broken.

850
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,040
It's completely broken.
And they're directly like

851
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,480
dealing with people who are
dying.

852
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Yeah, people who need help and
they can't mentally taxing to

853
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,160
the.
Highest.

854
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Levels I I, I don't know how
he's come out of it with such a

855
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,600
hilarious like, maybe that's
coping.

856
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Mechanism.
Yeah, literally.

857
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,120
I'd recommend that for anyone.
And the other one really quick

858
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,720
is from Rory Stewart, who is
again part of the arrested

859
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Politics podcast.
We've spoken about a few times.

860
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800
He's an ex Tory MP, was a Tory
MP through the whole of the

861
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,480
coalition government.
Austerity honestly should be

862
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,200
like my arch nemesis, like
someone like, oh I hate you for

863
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,440
doing that.
But he, again, just lifts the

864
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,280
curtain on the entire system,
how it's completely broken,

865
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,800
horrible people who are
completely incompetent rise to

866
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,080
the top because just say the
right thing, do the right thing,

867
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,840
Don't care about outcomes for
people at all.

868
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,440
Like all the worst things you
think of for certain

869
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,960
politicians.
He's like, yeah, that's

870
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,480
absolutely right.
That's absolutely right.

871
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,480
He talks about Liz Trust was his
boss for a bit.

872
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200
He said she was the most
incompetent boss he has ever

873
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,680
had.
Couldn't believe that she was in

874
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120
charge of just this small thing
and she ended up being Prime

875
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,040
Minister.
He was like, and and again, I

876
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,520
try and fight the fight and he
does as well.

877
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,000
Certain say, like some people
are, they're in it for the right

878
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
reasons, but some people aren't
and those people do better and

879
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,840
those people just cut.
Because they just play the.

880
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,000
Game.
They just play the game.

881
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,360
That's all that matters.
To them, that is it.

882
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,880
And I was like, wow, like it
really lifts the lid on it.

883
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,440
And honestly, you finished that
again and you're like, there is

884
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,200
no hope.
There is no hope.

885
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,760
The wrong people will prosper in
this system and that's not going

886
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,280
to change.
And.

887
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,040
What a good book to read I.
Know it was.

888
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,200
It was really interesting.
Yeah.

889
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,639
What about you?
Did you read any?

890
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,159
Well, I don't know.
I don't know how.

891
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,320
This is something where I don't
know if I want to say this.

892
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,960
I've not read a book for me as
an adult in 2024.

893
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,639
I've not read one.
I've not read a single book.

894
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,440
I've read a few kids.
Books week left.

895
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,080
Woke teacher admits not reading.
How can they be for our next

896
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,239
generation?
I can't even bloody read a book.

897
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,000
The weak won't.
Lefty beta male can't even read

898
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,880
beta male.
Is that I can't read?

899
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Yeah, that's it.
I just haven't read a book.

900
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,360
Maybe we can talk about it
because I feel a bit.

901
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Married said that I'm jokes
aside, yeah, yeah, I'm glad you

902
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,639
said that because that would be
who you're listening.

903
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,040
I go.
I also don't I.

904
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,600
Just don't read.
I just don't read.

905
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Why?
Like I do enjoy the odd kids

906
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,040
book, but but with the intention
of yes, because I'm going to

907
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,800
read it to my class.
It's got like a function.

908
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,400
I don't just sort of read it
does that.

909
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,159
Change at all when you read like
the boy in the tower, do you

910
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,560
think, oh, this?
A little bit a little bit like I

911
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,800
I did, I did then start looking
on Kindle.

912
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,120
I was like, oh, other books are
recommended that are quite

913
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,280
similar.
I might start reading one.

914
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,680
I did open one.
I read like the first chapter

915
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,640
and I do intend on maybe getting
around to it, but I just kind of

916
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,520
haven't.
Why then?

917
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Why?
Because as as a teacher, how do

918
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,960
you stand in front of your class
and inspire your kids to read?

919
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,400
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, genuine question, I know.

920
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,560
When you struggle to do it
yourself, do do you struggle

921
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,200
with that?
I struggle with that massively.

922
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,160
Yeah, I really do, because I've
never enjoyed reading for

923
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,880
personal pleasure.
So what about when someone says

924
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,920
like the, this is the classic
buzzword.

925
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,800
I, you know, I, I like reading
some books, but I don't like

926
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,960
this when people are like, oh,
reading for enjoyment and they

927
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,840
kind of just say it and it's
like, well, I can't force

928
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,800
someone to enjoy.
Yeah.

929
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,880
Yeah, I was that kid.
I absolutely hated reading.

930
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,080
I I got good at it when I was a
kid.

931
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,440
I got good enough like to, to
be, you know, to do what I

932
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,640
needed to do a comprehension
test.

933
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Yeah, do a convention test and
pass it.

934
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,920
But do you know what?
I'm going to break it down a

935
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,680
little bit.
I love reading with the kids.

936
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,440
I'm not just saying I'm not
pretending to like find a thing.

937
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,400
I absolutely, it's like one of
my favourite things.

938
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,600
You just.
Said you don't like reading, so

939
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,160
I know.
I know I love reading with the

940
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,880
kids so much.
I don't know what it is, but

941
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,840
that is like, it's not even the
same thing to me.

942
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,240
That is me entertaining children
with some with someone else's

943
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,840
words.
It's like watching a video, but

944
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,680
me sat at home with spare time.
I never, ever, ever think I'm

945
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,320
just going to read a book.
And I try to appear to my with

946
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,360
my life where I've been like,
come on, you need to get into

947
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,560
reading like it's an adult
thing.

948
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,120
Grow up and you're a.
Teacher, you know the

949
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,400
importance.
I know the importance of reading

950
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,840
like I know it's a good thing to
do, it's relaxing and all the

951
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,280
perks of reading.
But why?

952
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,520
Why do so?
Why do we get the kids to read?

953
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,280
Why are we so obsessed with the
kids reading?

954
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,680
It's because when they're older,
they need to function in society

955
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,480
to read.
To enjoy reading, sure, but also

956
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,400
to understand stuff.
For example, when I'm reading,

957
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,080
I'm understanding the insurance
and outs then of the healthcare

958
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,280
system, of the political system,
and that's helping widen my

959
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,960
understanding of something and
grow in that kind of area.

960
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,080
When you were in school and you
were learning how to read and

961
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,040
and reading books and stuff,
when you got older, did you, did

962
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,640
you ever, ever in your life
enjoy it at all or was it always

963
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,720
a means to an end?
Fiction always a means to an

964
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,160
end.
So you would read it because you

965
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,880
had to.
Yeah, honestly, I don't think

966
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,240
I've read a fiction book in my
in my entire life for for

967
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,200
pleasure.
But you enjoy films you enjoy.

968
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,600
Yeah, I love other media.
I love, I love, you know, I love

969
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,120
watching videos, but I but you
know, I've read a few non

970
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,920
fiction books over the years
because I've enjoyed like

971
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,760
learning something from them.
In the same way I'll enjoy

972
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,360
watching YouTube.
I'll I'll watch a 30 minute

973
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,960
YouTube video about some random
thing that I've never that I'll

974
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,240
learn about this thing.
But oh, that's how that's how

975
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,040
pens are made in a factory.
Brilliant.

976
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Glad I know that now, you know,
for some reason, but when it

977
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,560
comes to fishing, yeah, I just
don't enjoy it unless there's a

978
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,360
mean to an end, unless it's, oh,
I can read this to my kids now.

979
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Like, I thoroughly enjoyed the
Boy in the Tower.

980
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,080
I I, I sat there reading for
hours on end because I really

981
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,640
enjoyed it.
And I thought, oh, that's great.

982
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,760
I'll never do that again.
Though for some reason, I don't

983
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,640
know, there's a little block.
I actually after reading that, I

984
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,760
was like, come on, I've always
wanted to read the Silmarillium

985
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,880
because I love Lord of the
Rings.

986
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,480
I love that whole fantasy like.
Isn't that a children?

987
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,960
'S book The Silmarillium, yeah.
Younger, I know, I know, the

988
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,880
further back you go children's
book become.

989
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,360
Yeah, it's written like it's
horrible.

990
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,240
It's heavy read.
Yeah, like I read the like maybe

991
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,280
like 30-40 pages of it and I
thought, and I just kind of got

992
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:08,960
bored.
I just got to know.

993
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,200
I thought I'd, you know what I'd
rather do?

994
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,440
I'd rather go on YouTube and
watch an hour video that

995
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,360
summarises this whole book in a
visual way.

996
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,800
And I've always been like that.
I've always someone's like that,

997
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,320
you know that book you've read
The Wild Robot.

998
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,720
Yeah.
To me, I'm like, there's a film

999
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:21,360
of it, OK, I'll watch that
because I'll, you know what?

1000
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,000
I'll get the same information,
same metaphor.

1001
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,320
I understand everything from
that book.

1002
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,560
I'll get it from that film.
But there is something, there is

1003
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,800
something to be said because I
still, I always have that gut

1004
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,280
instinct when I see those two
things.

1005
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,880
My gut instinct still today is
always, oh, I'll read that

1006
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,360
first.
For example, Game of Thrones.

1007
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,800
Yeah, I saw the first season
that come out and I saw it was

1008
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,720
getting amazing reviews.
And I was like, no, OK, I need

1009
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,880
to not watch it before I've read
all the books.

1010
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200
And then I read all the books
and then I watched it.

1011
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,800
And the same with the Wild
Robot.

1012
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,520
I saw there's a book, the Wild
Robot, there's a, there's a show

1013
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,880
and it's getting films right.
And it's getting really rave

1014
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,040
reviews.
My gut instinct is always, oh,

1015
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680
I, I need to read it first
because there's just certain

1016
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,160
stuff you don't get from a film
and, and a film is an adaptation

1017
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,320
of a book and you're kind of
skipping a step there.

1018
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,160
I, I, I, I read it and I can
guarantee if I watch the film,

1019
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,800
it'll be completely different to
this whole world that I've

1020
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,120
imagined in my head.
And I have ownership over that

1021
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,560
world almost like I, I can, I, I
know what that robot's home

1022
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,720
looked like that they built.
I know what Mr Beaver looks like

1023
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,240
who helped them.
And he's got this character in

1024
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,600
my head.
And, and that will be morphed as

1025
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,040
soon as I see the film.
And for me, the enjoyment of

1026
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,480
reading is the imagination.
Do you do you struggle with the

1027
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,760
imagination or is it literally
just the mechanics of reading

1028
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,400
just bore you?
I think it's not the imagination

1029
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,760
at all.
I think I'm quite an imaginative

1030
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,840
amazing.
I mean, I don't understand why

1031
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,840
you don't like, I know that's
what I mean.

1032
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,640
I've always been very creative.
I really do like I love getting

1033
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,840
I love getting lost in my
imagination, inventing all sorts

1034
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,080
of worlds.
Like I literally right now I'm

1035
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,960
trying to write like a kids TV
series from a friend of mine

1036
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,480
just for fun, because I love it,
love getting lost in this and

1037
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,280
and that could even maybe become
a book.

1038
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,440
And it sounds so ironic, like
hypocritical rather me saying

1039
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
like, Oh, I could maybe write a
kids book about this idea that

1040
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,280
I've got and having not not
reading for pleasure myself.

1041
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,400
I don't know.
I don't, I think I've always had

1042
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,240
a brain block.
I don't really understand it.

1043
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,640
All I know is that there is like
a, it's a very one, there's one

1044
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,200
mindset on reading.
And I do feel like I'm totally

1045
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,200
out of the grain with that.
Like when I did teach training,

1046
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,760
I remember so vividly being sat
there in the hall of like 200

1047
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,360
people and they were saying
like, they look OK, put your

1048
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,720
hands up.
If you've read more than 10

1049
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,200
books this year, every single
hand except mine went up.

1050
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
And I was like.
I mean, there's a lot of social

1051
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,720
pressure, probably.
I bet a lot of them.

1052
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,720
Haven't maybe, but I bet a lot
of them had as well.

1053
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,680
And then they were saying like
OK you're basically said like

1054
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,160
they didn't actually say his
words but they hinted at it.

1055
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,160
You're not going to be a very
good primary school teacher

1056
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,680
unless you have read like 50
kids books at least.

1057
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,040
And I was thinking, I'm never
going to read 50 kids books.

1058
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,040
I mean, I probably ironically
have over 10 years now, I have

1059
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,680
actually ironically read loads
of books with the kids and loads

1060
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,880
of things for lessons and like,
you know, snippets of books,

1061
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,160
chapters, but all sorts of
things.

1062
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,840
But never, never.
Just my own pleasure.

1063
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,920
But I do think the framing of
that is awful in terms of I

1064
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,280
don't like it when someone's
like you won't be a good teacher

1065
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,120
if and something that's just
like almost optional, like of

1066
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,480
course you can be a good teach
without it.

1067
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,800
However, I would I would flip it
and say if you're well read, you

1068
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,520
will.
You will be a better teacher.

1069
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,400
In English you'll be more
natural.

1070
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,800
You'll be, yeah, you'll have
more stuff to draw from when

1071
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,520
you're modelling writing.
Of course you're going to be

1072
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,360
better at doing that.
If you've read 50 books where

1073
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,680
writing of of like description
is like, if you're trying to get

1074
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
a description out and put it out
of your head, it's going to be

1075
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,960
formulaic, robotic, like me.
That's how I feel when I do it

1076
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,360
sometimes.
If you've read 15 kids books

1077
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,320
that year, for example, I, I
could honestly at this point,

1078
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,320
OK, I'm going to, I'm going to
describe these animals now, OK,

1079
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,520
I'm going to describe this
Bieber.

1080
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,200
I'm keeping a Mr Bieber from the
show.

1081
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,360
I, I now, because of this,
because I've read that book and

1082
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,840
I've built that picture in my
mind.

1083
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,480
I've got that hook.
Not only am I, is my is my

1084
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,800
description going to be better?
But I can also take from the

1085
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,320
book itself and remember these
quotes of that, how it described

1086
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,800
the waves crashing against the
side and outside of the Cliff

1087
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,120
and how the robot clinging onto
the side and as the as the storm

1088
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,960
like raged on.
I've got these hooks now and I

1089
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,120
think what it helps me to
realise is if I'm a teacher and

1090
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,760
I and I see the benefit of that,
I now understand the benefit of

1091
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,400
it with the children because the
children are 1/4 of my age,

1092
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,800
don't have anywhere near the
life experience as I do.

1093
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,120
And I'm sat there going okay
guys, can you invent this

1094
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,200
creature and describe it,
please?

1095
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what on earth?
Of course it's gonna.

1096
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,640
Be and I completely agree.
Like I don't I don't.

1097
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,000
I actually think the best
teaching I ever do in English is

1098
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,840
when we look at a book or a
chunk of extractive text and we

1099
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,600
go, how did the author describe
that?

1100
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Should we copy it, guys?
Yeah, yeah.

1101
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,960
Cool, cool.
Let's try and let's try and

1102
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,280
write like that author.
And you do that 15 times to

1103
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,640
different authors.
And then you go, oh, by the way

1104
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,800
goes you're you've got loads of
ways of writing now.

1105
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Now, can you zoom in an
independent bit of writing about

1106
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,960
this thing?
Like, I think that's the best

1107
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000
way of teaching writing.
I don't, I'm not going to

1108
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,960
pretend that's not.
But just, you know, it all boils

1109
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,960
back down to though.
But for some reason I just don't

1110
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,560
personally sat at home.
I just don't enjoy picking up a

1111
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,280
book and reading it.
What?

1112
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,240
Would you say to a teacher who
said, guys, I just don't enjoy

1113
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,200
learning all this maths, why
should I have to learn how to do

1114
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,760
these fractions so well?
I don't care.

1115
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,520
I'd like listen, OK, I'll do it.
When it comes to it, when it

1116
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,600
comes to the maths, they're
saying, OK, I'll learn how to do

1117
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,880
it and I'll teach them it quick.
But I don't care about the links

1118
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,360
and stuff between all these
mathematical concepts and I

1119
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,840
don't care about the year free
curriculum.

1120
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,120
I don't care.
I don't know what they've

1121
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,040
learned beforehand.
Look, I'm just going to teach

1122
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,160
them to round.
I don't care.

1123
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,800
I don't care about counting
intents as maths, these we'd be

1124
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,080
like, oh, but you kind of have
to.

1125
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Yeah, I just don't think that's
a comparison.

1126
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Why?
I don't think it's a good

1127
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,200
comparison because I think all
of those things that you said

1128
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,320
there, if you translated that to
English, I think I'd do all

1129
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,640
those things.
In in what way?

1130
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,800
It's like, I don't think any of
those things are related to

1131
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,680
going home and then like picking
up a maths book and learning.

1132
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,680
About but I I think.
Something unrelated like adults

1133
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,840
books, right?
But but we we're also agreeing

1134
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,720
that the way you should teach
English is different to how you

1135
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,160
should teach maths.
So you should teach maths in a

1136
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,680
way where you have these links
and stuff and you have this

1137
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,320
broad understanding of the
curriculum in the same way you

1138
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,760
should teach English.
And if you have these these

1139
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,760
links between different authors
and this Broadway of

1140
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,200
understanding how to describe
something, Yeah, I think you get

1141
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,520
that from putting the, you know,
the the exposure to different

1142
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,280
authors and.
Different.

1143
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Yeah, it's true.
I think I'm.

1144
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,200
Saying you're better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1145
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,720
I agree.
I'm a better teacher now because

1146
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:06,880
over 10 years I have actually
now read tonnes of children's

1147
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,840
books.
I do think that does make me

1148
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,920
better, but I.
Just think it's OK to say you're

1149
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,320
a better teacher if you do
something.

1150
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,760
Likely to be.
I don't even want to say better.

1151
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,720
I think you're likely to be
better.

1152
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,560
I reckon there are some teachers
that have read five times as

1153
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,640
many books as me who still I
reckon I might teach English

1154
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,560
better than.
Them sure, sure, OK, it's all

1155
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,160
probabilities and stuff.
But I think I'm OK in saying

1156
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,960
that like I don't like saying
you.

1157
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,520
This is basically what what what
you've just said is what I'm

1158
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,720
about to say.
You will be better if you want

1159
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,120
to be a good teacher, unless I
think that's stupid.

1160
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,400
I think that's not helpful, but
I think it's OK to say that if

1161
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,880
you're well read, you will.
You will likely be a better

1162
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,600
English teacher.
Yeah, I think that's fine.

1163
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,640
Yeah.
That's that's a completely

1164
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:44,840
acceptable statement in my
opinion.

1165
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,600
Yeah.
Interesting.

1166
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,280
Yeah.
I'm glad.

1167
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,240
I'm glad you brought that
because I think I don't

1168
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,160
necessarily love reading.
And I think you're just

1169
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,840
honestly, out of 10, I'm
probably a three.

1170
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,040
You're probably a one.
Yeah.

1171
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,920
So we're both really low on that
scale.

1172
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,160
But do you know when we had that
training recently and the person

1173
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,680
came in to teach us basically
talking about writing in English

1174
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,280
and from a text and how to be
inspired by a text to help with

1175
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,920
your writing and stuff.
The reason I was blown away is

1176
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,720
the sheer ability of that person
to hear an objective in English

1177
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,480
and understand something and go,
oh, OK, I think this, this and

1178
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,840
this book would really be good
for that.

1179
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,040
Because in halfway through,
halfway through that book, this

1180
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,600
person really explores tension.
And halfway through that and

1181
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,080
halfway through this book, we've
got 2 characters really

1182
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,880
disagreeing on something.
And that conversation might be

1183
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,080
something your children can come
from.

1184
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,360
And I was like, wow, you're
unbelievable because you and I

1185
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,120
don't expect every teacher to be
able to do that.

1186
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,600
But what that highlighted for me
was how being well read and is

1187
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,280
massively.
Better she was maximising that

1188
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,200
probability of the statement
that we're saying this teacher

1189
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,400
because she's read every book
ever for kids and and has also

1190
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,720
is also impassionate and
interested in them.

1191
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,960
Max like honestly is a better
English teacher than I could

1192
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,640
ever be.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

1193
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,080
It is as simple as that.
But I think what I'm saying is

1194
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,960
what that's told me is there's a
big gap between me and her, and

1195
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,040
I can fill that gap through
reading.

1196
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,880
When am I going to have the time
to read all these books?

1197
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,440
That's a completely different
conversation.

1198
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,640
I understand.
I'm not saying.

1199
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,640
But there is a tangible link
between reading more and being

1200
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,120
more likely to be good at
teaching English.

1201
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,280
Absolutely, right?
Absolutely.

1202
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,560
Let's move on to.
Just last thing before we do, I

1203
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,680
think, just want to finish by
saying I think English, I really

1204
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,720
have come to this conclusion
over the years, is so much

1205
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,080
harder to teach than any other
subject that I almost don't

1206
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,360
think it, that it has.
It's justified being on the same

1207
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,560
level as, oh, we have this
subject, this subject and this

1208
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,480
subject, yeah, we've got maths,
we've got geography, we've got

1209
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,200
English.
I'm like, no, no, no, you can't

1210
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,880
even call it something.
English is so much more complex

1211
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,240
and hard to be good at teaching
than those other things.

1212
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,880
Like totally different level.
You could break it down.

1213
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,000
You've got maths, we've got
we've got geography and we've

1214
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,040
got writing and we've got
reading and we've got spell

1215
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,280
phonics and we've got spelling
and we've got GPS, right?

1216
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,240
It's just, it's yeah, you're
absolutely right.

1217
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:53,840
Yeah, It's seven things in one.
It's ridiculously hard, right?

1218
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,360
Continuing best of 2024, best
podcast moment.

1219
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,520
I'm gonna jump straight in
because I know what it is for

1220
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,960
me.
It was getting on a call with

1221
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Alistair Campbell.
Oh my gosh, I loved it.

1222
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,560
I love chatting with him.
His his job is to talk politics,

1223
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,480
talk, you know, current affairs.
He's literally the Co host of

1224
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,560
the number one podcast in the
country.

1225
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,400
It was like I finally got the Co
host I wanted.

1226
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,520
It was it was amazing.
I finally got someone.

1227
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,040
That was the joke, wasn't it?
I wasn't there.

1228
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,760
I was on a school trip this one
time.

1229
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,200
Yeah, I mean, I love that chat.
And he's so knowledgeable that

1230
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,160
you could talk about anything
and he'd be like, yeah, this,

1231
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,160
this and this.
I just loved it.

1232
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,920
I was just in my element.
Yeah.

1233
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,480
Go back and listen episode
something that's.

1234
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,120
Going to be a well prepared
Aiden.

1235
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,480
Yeah, Alistair Campbell would
have known exactly which episode

1236
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,640
it was.
He would, he would have.

1237
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,600
I'm just not on his level of I
don't read enough titles.

1238
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,920
I don't read enough titles to
podcast my favourite podcast

1239
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,120
moment.
I mean, it's a bit of cop out

1240
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,600
really, but it is just an
amalgamation of moments over the

1241
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,440
year of seeing people
interacting with us, commenting,

1242
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,280
getting in touch with us
specifically, I guess about when

1243
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,200
we talk about the, quote,
controversial topics, the stuff

1244
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,960
where we feel like, yeah, we are
saying what needs to be said

1245
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:01,720
about like, you know, when
people and sometimes people call

1246
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:02,680
us out and say we don't agree
with you.

1247
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,320
But when we're talking about
teacher martyrs and we're

1248
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,320
saying, hey, actually you're the
problem to some people.

1249
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,960
And it's like, oh, well, you
know, you're going against your

1250
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,400
own kind.
So yeah, do you know what's

1251
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,040
teachers?
Some of you are the problem,

1252
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,720
some of you are and we're
calling out teacher martyrdom is

1253
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,000
not helping the profession.
And when people then comment and

1254
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,080
and message us and be like,
thank you so much, like I need

1255
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,400
it.
I thought I was alone.

1256
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,560
I needed to hear that someone
else is going through this In my

1257
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,240
school, everyone's a teacher
martyr and I feel like I'm just

1258
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,320
rubbish at this job.
And actually it's quite

1259
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,160
refreshing to hear that this is
not the case and there's loads

1260
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,680
of people around the country.
Maybe I need to move schools.

1261
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Maybe my school is toxic when we
talk about those things where if

1262
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,680
you were caught in the star from
talking about it, you actually

1263
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,200
might get in trouble.
You might be nervous about it

1264
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,960
because you work in a toxic
school and we're just sat here

1265
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,160
talking about it because because
we can.

1266
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,040
People interacting with that and
feeling justified in the way

1267
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,520
they feel make just makes me
feel good.

1268
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,600
But it makes me want to keep
doing this and it makes me want

1269
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,800
to keep talking about stuff
where I'm like, is it a risk to

1270
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,760
talk about it for us personally?
Maybe don't care though because

1271
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,400
it's helping loads, loads of
teachers helping loads.

1272
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,760
Other people like, not think
that they're terrible at this

1273
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,160
job because they work in a
rubbish school, because.

1274
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,200
They decided to put their child
to bed instead of go to a dish.

1275
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:08,560
Yeah, yeah, like that.
Yeah, exactly.

1276
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,520
You know, we talk about Ryan up
Dylan and I'll do it again

1277
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,240
later.
We just, we just, we'll just we

1278
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,320
see every week teachers in toxic
situations where they genuinely

1279
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,880
don't know, like if they're
right or wrong.

1280
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,960
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, all the people interacting

1281
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,160
with us.
That's that's my favourite

1282
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,800
moments.
I guess I added on to that is

1283
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,440
when, when people message to say
their life has actively changed

1284
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,600
or improved because of something
they listened on our podcast.

1285
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,200
I can't get my head around it.
The one that always sticks to me

1286
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,800
is the, the, the mum who
messaged us and said thank you

1287
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,680
so much.
You gave me the confidence to,

1288
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,160
to, you know, put in my part
time request.

1289
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,840
You explained that it's a right
we all have.

1290
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,040
I wouldn't have never have done
it before because I was worried

1291
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,680
that I would be seen as a weaker
teacher.

1292
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,960
I wanted a part time blah, blah,
blah.

1293
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,080
And now I get an extra day for
my kid and I, I just, Oh my God,

1294
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,080
I can't explain to you guys.
Like that was enough to make me

1295
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,880
do this podcast for another
year, honestly.

1296
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,560
Like like there's there's a
family somewhere in this country

1297
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,680
where the kids getting their mum
for an extra day a week because

1298
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,600
we sat down and said, yeah, of
course XYZ.

1299
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,200
And that's insane to me.
So thank you.

1300
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,120
Yeah, no, I love it.
So yeah, lots of bit of a cop

1301
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,120
out answer, but no, I like it,
you know, that's it.

1302
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,560
I like it anymore.
Redefining moment, last one

1303
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,640
moment again at this time,
teacher moment.

1304
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,160
So as a teacher in school, what
was your moment?

1305
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,720
A bit of a cop out, all of it.
No, I'm joking.

1306
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,520
I had a really nice moment
fairly recently, I guess, but it

1307
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,400
just made me feel warm.
It was Rivers 1st birthday in

1308
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,160
November and I'd like I didn't
maybe I mentioned it at school

1309
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,080
once or twice, but I didn't go
out of my way to be like, hey

1310
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,320
kids, it's my daughter's first
birthday coming up and four of

1311
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,160
the kids came up to me that like
the next morning after and just

1312
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,480
had all made cards for her.
And I was like, Oh my God,

1313
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,400
that's just so sweet.
And they'd all like really

1314
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,400
written really nice comments in
there.

1315
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,960
And I was just like that.
This is just those little

1316
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,280
moments there.
I don't know.

1317
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,480
It's just something about it
isn't there.

1318
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,600
It's nothing to do with
learning.

1319
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,000
It never is.
If I think about it, those

1320
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,240
moments, it's very rarely
actually where I'm like, oh,

1321
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,680
yeah, they just totally nailed
semicolons, totally nailed it.

1322
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,200
I don't really care.
Like it's great.

1323
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,520
But it's those moments.
They they went out of their way

1324
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,480
because we've got such a nice
relationship to be like, oh,

1325
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,520
let's go do this thing for Mrs
Stevens for his git because

1326
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,520
he'll love that and it's nice.
So that was my that that jumps

1327
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,760
to mind when I think of top
moments.

1328
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,840
Did you did you say to them my
child can't read?

1329
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,080
He's a pointless.
I said oh thank you, I'll file

1330
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,560
these straight in the bin.
No, I took them home and they

1331
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,360
sat downstairs.
Somewhere beautiful somewhere.

1332
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,000
Yeah.
What about you?

1333
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,360
Favourite.
Do you have a favourite teacher

1334
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,200
moment?
Obviously the same in terms of

1335
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,120
it's nothing to do with
educational attainment

1336
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,320
whatsoever.
So teacher moment, mine was end

1337
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,760
of year, end of year.
So it like June, July of 2024, I

1338
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,440
got a card on my desk.
I didn't see this child, but I

1339
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,880
got a card on my desk.
For my daughter's first

1340
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,600
birthday.
No at all.

1341
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,560
And I opened it and I said, oh,
that this would be nice from a

1342
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,800
child.
And it was from a child who was

1343
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,600
leaving the school, so was in
year 6, who I hadn't taught

1344
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920
since they were in year 3, so 3
years ago.

1345
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,120
Saying thank you so much.
You, you're my favourite

1346
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,760
teacher.
You made me really calm because

1347
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,280
we're a Junior School.
So year three, it was the first

1348
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,880
year that came.
She was a bit anxious about it,

1349
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,640
a bit worried first man teacher,
first boy teacher, but basically

1350
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,640
just saying thank you, had a
gift in it and stuff.

1351
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,480
And just seeing that I've
written note and the fact that

1352
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,600
she'd gone out of her way to
say, oh, can we get a card for

1353
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,360
Mr. Price, please?
I was a year three.

1354
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,600
I was a year 4 teacher who
taught her in year 3.

1355
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,680
And she was leaving year 6.
Like it was so easy for and I

1356
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,040
would never expect anything.
And I wouldn't say it as a

1357
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,000
slight if they didn't do
anything.

1358
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,160
I was like, yeah, you're
thinking of your, your next,

1359
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,320
whatever.
That was so, so nice.

1360
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,400
And then we saw her and her dad
at the recent Carol concert.

1361
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,840
And the dad made the point of
coming up and talking and saw

1362
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,520
her catching up.
She's near 7 now.

1363
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,720
And we had a whole conversation.
And when it finished, the dad

1364
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,560
just said, turn around and said
to this girl, so you happy now

1365
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,480
that we've seen the teachers you
wanted to see?

1366
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,760
And she was like, yeah, yeah,
that's fine.

1367
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,360
And she's like, Oh my God, she,
she still just wanted to have

1368
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,520
that connection.
I was like, that's why we teach.

1369
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,200
That's the best thing about
teaching, building those bonds

1370
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,960
and love it.
So impacting someone's life

1371
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,760
potentially forever.
She'll probably remember you

1372
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,240
forever, genuinely.
Like I still remember my

1373
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:06,840
favourite teacher and you, I'm
sure you do as well.

1374
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,640
And that is nice.
It's very nice.

1375
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Lovely, I love that.
Well, thanks.

1376
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,800
I enjoyed our little best of
2024.

1377
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,240
I would make it better if we now
did some goals for 2025,

1378
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:19,360
wouldn't it?
Right, 2025, it's around the

1379
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,640
corner.
We put together three goals that

1380
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,640
we want to keep to First one is
to do with like our job as

1381
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,400
teachers.
Yep.

1382
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,400
Second one to do with the
children, because obviously

1383
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,840
that's the most important thing
to do with our job.

1384
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,400
And the last one's going to be
like a personal goal.

1385
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,920
So let's start with the actual
functioning of our job.

1386
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,080
What's your goal for 2025?
My goal?

1387
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,640
No more than one hour work at
the weekend, OK each week.

1388
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Yeah, good.
How are you going to control

1389
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,600
that if you just have three
hours of work you just gonna not

1390
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,920
do?
It just not do it genuinely.

1391
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,960
Yeah, honestly, I'll think about
it ahead, be a bit more

1392
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,560
organised maybe to think about
it in the week.

1393
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,400
I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna leave myself 3

1394
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,440
hours of work this weekend.
So you'd rather do more work in

1395
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,800
the week so.
Yeah, do it in the week and you

1396
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,000
know what?
And if I can spread it out, that

1397
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,200
make you know, if I do 2 hours
one weekend, I gotta do 0 the

1398
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,080
next one.
They can average out.

1399
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,320
OK, OK, cool.
Nice one.

1400
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,520
That's my goal though.
Brilliant.

1401
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,680
My 1:00 on that is quite similar
actually mine is to.

1402
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:09,400
I really want to get more long
term organised in terms of

1403
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,080
organising my free time better
because you've spoken about

1404
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,680
before, you kind of don't plan
anything for the time.

1405
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,520
It's like, well, I might have
some planning that weekend or

1406
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,760
gosh, don't, I don't know, pick
a weekend away because I might

1407
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,680
have this popping up.
Get more organised long term so

1408
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,280
I don't get trapped at a weekend
where actually I've actually got

1409
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,840
no work, but I didn't know I'd
have no work.

1410
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,400
So you have to book nothing,
book nothing and I've got

1411
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,560
nothing to.
Do the next week and you've got

1412
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,000
8 hours of stuff to do.
Exactly that.

1413
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,640
So I want to be like no ahead of
time.

1414
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Well, I've got this, this and
this to do.

1415
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,160
Spread it out a little bit.
Don't leave it till the last

1416
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,840
minute, or at least just know
when I'm going to do it so that

1417
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,040
I can actually enjoy my free
time.

1418
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,800
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, that sounds great.

1419
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,600
I think they're quite similar.
We can We can hold each other

1420
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,240
accountable for.
Those next one is more to do

1421
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,280
with like you know, day-to-day
working with the children.

1422
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,440
What's your goal?
It sounds a bit wishy washy, but

1423
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,120
just hear me out.
Make the children leave school

1424
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,880
with a smile every every single
day.

1425
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,120
OK.
And.

1426
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,960
You're loving.
It isn't it.

1427
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,360
I'm laughing because I'm going
to say mine straight up.

1428
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,240
Go on.
Strive for happiness with the

1429
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,000
children just as much as I
strive for their attainment.

1430
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,320
It's just, it's funny because
that is right.

1431
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,960
Yeah.
Honestly, if I think about the

1432
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,520
kids, I don't care.
The academic staff when nailing

1433
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,560
it, Yeah, like they're getting a
good education.

1434
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,440
I don't care anymore about it,
but they're doing fine.

1435
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,280
Like they get so much school.
What I want them to do is be

1436
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,760
happy.
Yeah, seriously.

1437
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,480
And, and you know what, I can
I'll think of something every

1438
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,360
day on reserve time if it takes
3 minutes to give them a Riddle

1439
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,760
for the end of the day because
it's funny and it gets them

1440
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,640
thinking and they go out and
say, oh man, I just got this

1441
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,960
Riddle for you, man.
I got this Riddle for you

1442
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,960
because Miss Stevens just did
it.

1443
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,280
I want, I want that.
I don't want to go out being

1444
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,040
like, Oh yeah, I just had to.
We were stressing because we had

1445
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,760
to get our bags at the last
possible second because we had

1446
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,280
to finish writing this thing in
our books.

1447
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,000
Like no, I don't want them to
leave like that.

1448
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,880
It's like the wild robot.
I'm going to read it to my

1449
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,840
class.
Even if we read 1 chapter a day,

1450
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,400
there's no excuse.
Yeah, it's like two or three

1451
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,200
pages.
We won't.

1452
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,920
Obviously we'll read it much
bigger than that, but

1453
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,440
absolutely.
Finished geography lesson on

1454
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,800
latitude a little bit earlier.
I guess so.

1455
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,840
We teach that lesson 58 * a
year, apparently, according to

1456
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,080
this podcast and rounding in
math, that's all we teach.

1457
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,440
It's.
My 48 hour of teaching latitude

1458
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,960
budget relations.
Okay, last one, something a bit

1459
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,360
more personal than last goal
2025, what you got?

1460
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,000
Just book some fun things for
school holidays similar to your

1461
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,480
first one.
I get to the school holidays and

1462
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,800
and realise that I should have
booked something for it a month

1463
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,680
ago because it's too late in the
holiday to do it.

1464
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,840
Don't, don't, just don't.
Just like slob out.

1465
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Yeah, basically it's actually
book ahead.

1466
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,120
So I'm going to really try at
least two of the school

1467
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,360
holidays.
I want to try and book something

1468
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,320
nice for us to do as a family or
whatever.

1469
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:30,400
So that's my my little personal
goal.

1470
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,000
Me, me, you and our children.
Just me and you.

1471
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,280
Just me, you.
Just me and you.

1472
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,680
My 1 is I I really I?
I'm kind of worried.

1473
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,640
I think we spoke about this
increase my personal activity

1474
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,800
levels because, my gosh, when I
was younger and you heard people

1475
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,240
say when you get into your 30s
and you have a kid, it's so easy

1476
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,800
just to become stagnant.
I was like, no, I do that.

1477
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,840
We always playing football and
let's go play a bit.

1478
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,120
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Guys, honestly, it's a trap.

1479
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,720
You get to 30 and I could go a
week without my heart rate

1480
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:05,160
getting above 75 beats per
minute and it's it's objectively

1481
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,760
awful.
I just want to increase.

1482
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,080
I'm not even going to put a
number on it.

1483
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,760
I just want to increase my
activity levels.

1484
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,800
Even if like we spoke with
Charlie recently, the teachers

1485
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,760
health coach, even if I just
instead of jumping in the car to

1486
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,760
go to Tesco, which is a 2 minute
drive, I take the 10 minute

1487
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,480
walk.
Honestly, just just do move a

1488
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,760
bit more.
Yeah, definitely.

1489
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,240
That's my goal.
That's a great goal.

1490
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,400
That's something I'm also
working on.

1491
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,520
I didn't use it as my thing
because I want to do something

1492
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,720
else, but I'm very much on the
same mindset.

1493
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Because it's not being funny.
You move less than me and I'm

1494
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,920
worried about it.
So you.

1495
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,320
Must be devastated I move less
than a snail.

1496
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,280
Do you know that that Riddle
like you can get like a billion

1497
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,320
pounds bit of a snail touches
you yeah yeah, just replace

1498
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,200
snail of Hayden, you know a
billion pounds but if.

1499
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,400
Hayden touches you'll definitely
win.

1500
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,760
Give me a billion.
Give me a billion.

1501
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,120
Unless you're in this office,
you're winning.

1502
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,200
Oh, this podcast studio.
Sorry, not.

1503
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,040
Yeah, sorry, yeah, podcast,
right, Not tied to the bedroom.

1504
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,000
Didn't.
We're running out of time.

1505
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,160
OK, OK, we're getting to an hour
now.

1506
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,600
I'm going to finish up with just
one thing I've seen on the

1507
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,800
Internet to try and roll you up,
or at least get you thinking.

1508
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,240
How's that sound?
All right, so I saw I saw this

1509
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,200
and I thought it's very
interesting dynamic here and I'd

1510
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,640
love to see you in this
situation because I think it'd

1511
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,040
be interesting to see you react.
So someone said their head

1512
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,080
teacher, their office is in the
staff room.

1513
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,320
A bit odd, but whatever their
office, the headteachers office

1514
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,320
in the staff room and they've
and they've always got the door

1515
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,440
open.
So they're always just kind of

1516
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,040
in the staff room there
listening.

1517
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,800
And I often listen to staff
conversations during break

1518
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,480
times, during lunch times, like
kind of purposely listening in

1519
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,200
and then pull staff up some
things that comments that

1520
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,040
they've heard over things like
things they've ever heard.

1521
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,760
Pull them up, embarrass staff,
you know, in staff meetings,

1522
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,920
catch and say, I heard you
saying this the other day.

1523
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,120
Just basically just a wigging on
staff conversations in in the

1524
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,080
staff room.
I don't know how to feel.

1525
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,080
I don't know how to feel about
it.

1526
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:53,720
How do you feel about that?
I think teachers need, I think

1527
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,120
any workplace, you need to be
able to talk to your colleagues

1528
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,040
about something that you
wouldn't want your boss to hear.

1529
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,960
I don't think that means you're
bad.

1530
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,280
I don't think that means that.
I don't even think that work

1531
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,080
means the workplace is awful.
No matter what you do, you've

1532
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,400
got to be realistic.
Vent.

1533
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,360
There's going to be time to vent
exactly that.

1534
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,360
Like no matter what, people
could be doing the best job in

1535
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,920
the world and you could still
want to vent about them.

1536
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,480
You know, it could still be
annoying.

1537
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,680
The head could have made a
fantastic decision for the

1538
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,200
overall, you know, outcomes of
the school, which is well within

1539
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,200
directed time and doesn't put
too much on the staff.

1540
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,880
And the staff will will always
still find a way to complain

1541
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,400
about something.
That's human nature.

1542
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,440
It's completely normal.
I think it's just an awful

1543
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,360
precedent set.
I, I think if you're doing that

1544
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,560
actively and putting people up
about it afterwards, you're not

1545
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,400
providing staff with that safe
space to talk about stuff and,

1546
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,560
and you're actively making
people feel like they're

1547
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,680
treading on egg shells, just
existing in that, in that

1548
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,360
workspace.
Like what you're actually trying

1549
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,240
to get out of it.
Are you trying to, you're not

1550
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,440
going to change someone's mind
on what they think about

1551
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,480
something by forcing them to not
say out loud.

1552
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,640
So this only thing that's going
to do is build resentment and

1553
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,640
worry.
So what what I would say today

1554
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,920
is if you're in a building where
your office has to be for

1555
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,920
whatever reason.
In the staff room and you can

1556
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,040
hear what staff are saying
either at break time and

1557
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,040
lunchtime.
Don't sit in your office, go and

1558
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,600
find something else to do.
Go on duty for a bit or

1559
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,200
something.
Just get out of there and let

1560
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,520
the staff have the moment or
close the door.

1561
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,960
Or do you know what?
Even if you are there and

1562
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,000
listen, completely ignore it.
Let them vent and never ever use

1563
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,800
it against them.
Do you know what let let them

1564
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,400
say stuff, let them be annoyed.
It's completely normal.

1565
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,800
And do you know what a a really
good leader would hear?

1566
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,640
And 80% of the time they might
say, I'm just going to ignore

1567
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,200
that they're just moaning.
Yeah, whatever.

1568
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,000
Or 20% of the time they might
go.

1569
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,400
That's a really good point
actually.

1570
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,680
OK, I'm going to think.
I'm glad I've heard that

1571
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,640
perspective.
But I'm not going to pull

1572
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,360
someone up and call them out for
something you said in the staff

1573
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,360
room when you feel like you're
in a safe space.

1574
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It depends what you're saying.

1575
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,160
Because I think there's certain
things I've heard staff and

1576
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,280
people say before where I'm just
like, that's probably a bit too

1577
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,880
far.
You're being a bit personal.

1578
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,600
I've been a bit rude at this
moment in time.

1579
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If it's just like, oh God, have

1580
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,400
you seen the new marketing
policy?

1581
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,440
Like I, I spent two hours
yesterday.

1582
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,040
It's just ridiculous and it
doesn't help the kids.

1583
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,440
It's ridiculous.
That should not be pulled up on.

1584
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,680
No, if you're if you're a
professional saying something's

1585
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,560
introduced that's increased my
workload and I don't see an

1586
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,360
impact on the children, that's
your professional opinion and

1587
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,240
should not be, you know,
belittled or made to feel like

1588
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,200
you're you're stupid for.
Especially when you're like you

1589
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,960
said, you're saying it.
And what is your safe space

1590
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,520
where you don't feel like you
have to be professional?

1591
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120
So just take it to your mate.
Yeah, start from yeah, yeah.

1592
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,920
It's not what isn't it?
The most liked response was

1593
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:29,960
don't say things that you're
going to get pulled up on in

1594
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,360
front of your head then.
Yeah.

1595
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,320
I mean, I mean, but I think
this, I'm trying to get a

1596
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,120
balance here.
I think that's, that's a good

1597
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,480
point though.
Like if you're in your staff

1598
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,440
room and you know, your head
teachers there, just have a bit

1599
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,520
of common sense, like go to your
room with this, you know, if you

1600
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,400
have an event which everyone
needs to have.

1601
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,040
Yeah, you're not an idiot.
Yeah.

1602
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,040
It's 5050, isn't it?
Because it's like equally the

1603
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,120
staff room is like the common
safe space.

1604
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,240
So why is the head teacher in
there?

1605
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,480
It's both parties could probably
do something.

1606
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,040
There, the head can walk into
the staff room.

1607
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,960
I don't mean there's a single
like workplace in the country

1608
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,040
where the boss doesn't walk in
on an awkward conversation

1609
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,240
everyone starts.
Here's a good example of our

1610
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:09,840
head knowing that staffing a
safe space and actively just

1611
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,520
being like, I'm just going to
let them have a safe space when

1612
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,320
I'm not there to impact it.
Every time we do it like a

1613
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,600
Christmas do or any kind of
staff do, our head teacher

1614
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,480
always actively shows his face
for a bit and then leaves

1615
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,360
quickly and has literally told
me before it's like, yeah,

1616
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,480
because no one wants the head
teacher, They just want to moan

1617
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,880
and vent out of school.
So I'm going to go home and I'm

1618
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,840
like, I like that he know.
He know he's a human being.

1619
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,720
You know, if people are going to
want to have a bit of a van and

1620
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,960
chat with their mates and catch
up and not have the head

1621
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,600
teacher, their boss just
breathing down the neck like,

1622
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,400
oh, what do you think about
this?

1623
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,880
Oh, it's all great, actually.
Thank you.

1624
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,360
I'm really enjoying this meal.
Thanks for being here.

1625
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,760
Like, I just think that's really
cool.

1626
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,160
It's quite easy to understand,
isn't it?

1627
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,720
And just be like, yeah,
obviously people like to defend.

1628
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,320
I think for that you just
there's certain things you say

1629
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,760
that round me up and really
annoy me.

1630
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,120
Yeah, that, that I'm just like,
really.

1631
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,440
Like, do we really need a forum
to tell you what to do in that

1632
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,600
situation?
Like that's just, yeah, that is

1633
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,000
just like, that's just working
as an adult in a workplace.

1634
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,560
Common sense and also head
teacher maybe maybe shut your

1635
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:04,640
door.
Yeah, that's what I.

1636
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,280
Mean maybe just give you stuff
bit of privacy.

1637
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,360
Yeah.
Or just leave the room.

1638
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,400
Do you mean let them have their
20 minutes?

1639
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,360
Yeah, yeah.
Completely cool, didn't write

1640
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,240
you up very well this week.
I'll try a bit harder.

1641
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,240
Next time I'm gonna give that a
three out of 10 for Ryla. 2 out

1642
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,480
of 10.
Actually, I didn't really get

1643
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,520
wild at all, did I?
No, you didn't.

1644
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,440
Two out of.
Ten you didn't.

1645
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,560
Maybe you're just so chilled
from.

1646
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,200
Christmas do better.
Tired.

1647
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:22,920
Maybe.
Tired.

1648
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,880
OK, a new Golf 2025 is annoyed
Dylan a bit more on this

1649
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,640
podcast.
Right, guys, we're gonna wrap

1650
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,640
that one up.
That was the last episode of

1651
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,280
2024, Hayden.
We are really quickly

1652
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,560
approaching 100 episodes.
I can't believe it.

1653
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:36,040
It's.
Insane.

1654
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,440
It's insane.
We're gonna be triple digits

1655
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,640
soon, Yeah.
Make sure you follow us on

1656
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:40,840
Instagram.
I guess that's the only thing we

1657
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:41,880
can say, yeah.
Yeah, we still need some

1658
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:42,960
followers.
You know what we need to make

1659
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,960
sure is our reviews always stay
above the number of episodes

1660
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,360
that we've got.
So on Spotify, on Apple podcast,

1661
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,640
wherever you're at, if you leave
us a review, we would really,

1662
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,720
really appreciate it.
Send us a message on Instagram

1663
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,120
at TTP podcast, Get in touch.
We want to hear you Hayden's

1664
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,400
moment, singular of the year.
What moments of you guys getting

1665
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:00,840
in touch?
Which is really weird because he

1666
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,600
never actually looks at the
messages himself.

1667
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:03,880
He just waits for me to tell him
about it.

1668
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,080
That's why it's a great moment.
I only get the highlights.

1669
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,120
You just get one moment when I
send all of them at once.

1670
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,320
Guys, thank you so much for
listening.

1671
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,520
Hope you have an amazing new
year and we'll see you in 2025.

1672
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,680
In the new year.
Bye, guys.