Ep 92: Teacher This or That: Rows or Groups? iPads or Sheets? Pupil Gifts or Not?

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Sleep Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Christmasy
Hayden.

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Oh my gosh, it's Christmas
coming up.

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There's no rest for the wicked,
is there?

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There's no rest.
We're releasing an episode on

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the week of Christmas.
Can you believe it?

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We're just so dedicated to the
'cause I mean, make sure you

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like and follow and share
because we're so dedicated to

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the cause.
Merry Christmas everyone.

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That would be our Christmas
present from them guys, if you

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want to get as a Christmas
present and you don't want to

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send me a Lamborghini, you could
just do a review on whatever

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platform you're listening on,
share the podcast.

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That's the big one.
That's what I've had recently

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from a few people messaging,
saying I shared the podcast with

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everyone.
I'm like love that.

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Thank you so much that.
Is so nice.

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Isn't it?
It's.

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Lovely.
A lot of interactions.

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I'm really enjoying it right
now.

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Oh.
How would you know you don't do

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anything?
You send it to me, OK?

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I'm really enjoying my PA
sending me all of the lovely

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messages that you guys send.
In Yeah, I quite like sitting

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here listening to you say how
many messages we get when I'm

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the one.
Oh, big head.

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I have got a big head, yeah.
Metaphorically or missing me?

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Both.
Well, yeah, if you are messaging

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us on Instagram, is the place to
do it really, because we do pick

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it up there.
And I say we very generously

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because it is.
Again, just so you all know, it

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is me, Dylan, the one with all
the hair.

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That's the one you're talking
to.

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OK, The other guy Swans around
all week.

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I do, I do swan around all week.
I do nothing.

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Nothing.
I click my fingers at you.

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Dylan, we got any messages?
Ohh yes Sir.

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Yes Sir, yes Sir.
Bowing down.

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Pathetic.
It's like I see that of Oliver.

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Please Sir, support.
That's basically it's more

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validation.
Anyway, we're going off on a

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whim here, aren't we?
How was your week, Hayden?

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The last week of time before we
broke up for Christmas?

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How did it go I?
Had a bloody great week.

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It's always good.
I really did.

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Like I thoroughly enjoyed every
single day.

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There's just something about
that last, that Christmassy week

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where, you know, the stakes are
just a little bit lower, little

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bit lower in maths.
It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, don't get your books
out.

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Don't get your books out, guys.
What do you mean don't get our

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books out?
Are we going to do maths?

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Yeah, in a way.
In a way, we are.

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Guys are going to help Mr
Stevens add up his Christmas

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list.
See how much Mr Stevens is

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spending this Christmas because
I haven't done it yet.

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Get the iPods, kids.
I've unblocked Amazon so you can

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do some ordering for me.
I really need you to do this one

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because.
I didn't do that.

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Displaying what I did, I didn't
do that.

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No, you didn't by the way.
Sorry, I didn't.

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No, I didn't.
I mean, I didn't.

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Yeah, I had a very nice week.
Mass was funny, we did some

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Christmas coordinates as I was.
Doing it same as.

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I was doing it.
I was like, oh, what is every

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year?
I can't get away from it.

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I wasn't even planning to do it
this year.

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And on the day another teacher
was like, I'm gonna do some of

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this and I was like, oh, go on,
print that for me.

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Print that for me.
I'll do some of that.

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I.
Had something else planned for a

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maths lesson one day.
It was like we would we had like

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a spare week.
I don't know if anyone else

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follows White Rose.
Quite often at the end of the

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time it will say consolidation.
Basically has a few floating

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lessons that you might have
eaten into if you wanted to

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cover stuff extra.
And we always do a little bit of

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like, you know, we talked about
the spiral curriculum coming

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back to stuff.
We just pick objectives where

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we're like, do you know what?
Another lesson on this would

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really help them, would really
help them.

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And one lesson we had planned
was rounding because roundings

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are always, I don't know if
anyone teaches in year 4, it's

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just the classic one.
But this year in the last few

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weeks, because we're doing
starters and stuff since we

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actually taught it, my class are
really good at it.

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Like just the probably the best
year 4 class I've ever had at

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rounding.
It's unbelievable.

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I don't know why, why they can
do it, but I'm like, cool, you

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can though every single time.
So cool.

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So we got to the lesson.
Honestly, the lesson had already

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began and I was like, I should
have thought about this because

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you can just do this already.
All right, kids get an iPad each

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and for 10 minutes do some TT
rockstars.

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And in that 10 minutes, I sorted
out a whole lesson on Christmas

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coordinates.
I.

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Was really, I was really, really
hoping you're going there.

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That's so funny.
Because would you know what,

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we'd actually done coordinates
relatively recently and they

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weren't that great at putting
the crosses, you know, you know,

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when they don't put the cross
exactly right, they don't think

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about like they just go 6-7.
All right, it's around there.

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Yeah.
It's like, no, we need to be

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precise.
So we, we practised that.

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But my downfall was I got a
sheet that was clearly for like

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year six children or year seven
children.

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It was still in one core
quadrant.

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So it wasn't any negative
numbers or anything like that,

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but it was like 20 by 25 and the
instructions were really

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intricate and they had to draw a
snowman.

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Was it a snowman?
Yeah, I did the same one there

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you.
Go or year forward in the same

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one.
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And they had to like draw a line
between each.

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Coordinator and it was really
weird.

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Yeah, well, and they don't do
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Well, I did like a hand for any
of them.

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Yeah.
Because the whole idea of

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drawing them, that was too much.
I was like, kids, just do some

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plotting.
You'll be pleased to know my

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year Sixers even struggle to
finish that one.

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I could.
They couldn't get it done, but I

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always had that every year,
right?

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I don't know if you get this
every single year despite me on

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the board modelling.
You're right.

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This is specifically how you do
coordinates.

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It has to join the last one.
Look, do you remember that last

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coordinate you did?
You gotta join it to it.

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It's like a dot to dot as we go.
Always, always 10 minutes in,

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someone comes up to me that I
just happen to happen to have

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not seen them walking around
shows me their sheet, and every

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single coordinate has been
plotted with a straight line up

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from the bottom.
And I'm like what?

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They're like.
I don't really get how this

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works.
Oh that, that just looks like a

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city skyline, darling.
Literally I'm like, no.

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That's not a snowman.
Oh, should I rub it out?

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Honestly, no.
I'll get you another one.

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Honestly, no.
It's assembly time.

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It's time for assembly.
And I said, oh guys, you didn't

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finish it, take it home.
Take it home, one of the kids.

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You guys just take it home.
What did you do today, son?

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Two nights up from the X corner.
What one of the kids, that was

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so quick.
They said take it home guys,

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take it and finish it up, bring
it in tomorrow, get a team point

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if you want and that first hand
up, can I put it in the bin

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always?
I'm like.

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So much of our lives is spent
trying to get around the fact

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we're about to throw all the
kids work in the bin.

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Yeah.
So when a kid breaks that mould,

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I says, can I just throw it in
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Honestly, a part of me is like,
yes, yeah, please.

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I was going to pretend that I
was going to keep and look at

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these and put them in a bin in a
different classroom.

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But now you've said that.
Go back in the bin.

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That's so true.
I had to pretend that I was like

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a bit gutted about that.
You don't want to.

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You don't want to.
Oh, I mean, if you don't.

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Yeah, because you don't want it,
I suppose.

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If you don't want to take it
home, obviously you can Chuck it

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away.
I'm not gonna make you Chuck it.

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You just.
Whip out a massive bin that

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you've got ready behind you.
Anyway, open hours.

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I don't know if you want.
It last year's work.

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Yeah, not last year's,
yesterday's they see it in the

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bin.
Is that all of our work goes in

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the mass book?
No A.

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Couple of that books as well.
This is Santa's.

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He's gonna come to your
Christmas Eve.

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All your old worksheets.
Oh dear, Oh dear.

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What are we doing?
We've lost it.

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Already we have lost it.
It's that Christmas cheer.

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Well, I'm going to make you lose
it again.

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I got I had a funny gift this
week.

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Oh my God.
A funny gift.

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I find it a funny gift, funny
gift from the kids.

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So I I was in the middle of
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Honestly, it was quite a random
time to do it to like it wasn't

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like it was straight in the
morning.

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Normally they come in leaves on
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You've.
Not been ungrateful about a gift

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though.
No, no, no.

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I'm grateful you.
Can't possibly ever be

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ungrateful.
I've never ungrateful.

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I've never been ungrateful in my
life for anything ever.

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And it was your 68th best
teacher, Mark, you've received.

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Yeah, but yeah.
Extremely grateful for it,

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extremely grateful No came in,
said.

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Please can you open this in the
middle of English?

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Where?
Did it come from English lesson?

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What do you mean?
Somebody in my English class who

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isn't in my my actual class.
Right.

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So they obviously didn't see me
in the morning.

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I've been waiting all morning.
All morning.

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I've got to give this Miss
Steven.

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Yeah.
Coming to English giggling, come

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in, come in with the present and
I'm like, OK, I'll find I'll

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open it.
And I kept making them wait to

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do.
I was like, I can use this as a

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tool.
I was like, I'll do it if you if

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you get your books open, write
your date or.

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Whatever you said, you said you
do it if I got a book, yes.

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And now I'm saying I'll do it if
you start doing your.

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Work.
Yeah, you complete the task. 5

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minutes and I'll do it anyway.
Here I'm unwrapping this,

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thinking what is it?
It's a box.

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Open it.
Just cover boxing.

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OK, It's coming inside.
Open it up.

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It's our boxes 10 so much.
Oh, that's called the present.

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That's called a present, mate.
I.

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Didn't expect a box with
something in it.

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You guys are cheeky.
Guess I'll have to after undoing

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the wrapping.
I'll have to undo the bloody box

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as well.
Yeah, that is after.

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After you finish your task.
It's like past the parcel with a

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new thing that they've got to do
everything.

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I'm just fed up anyway, I got it
out.

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It was it was a bald man's comb,
right?

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Literally said bald man's comb
on it.

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She that the girl that got for
me is dying with laugh at this

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point.
And it's quite literally a comb,

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but without all of the spikes.
So it's just well, the teeth.

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Yeah, that's the one.
And and and the class like they

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erupted, you know, you know,
when they find something

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unbelievably funny because
obviously I played it up.

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Obviously I was like.
What?

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Who's?
How have you done this?

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And I start combing my hair,
doing all that.

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Yeah.
Poor man's come.

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It works.
It worked really well.

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Yeah, you, you combed your
skull.

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I combed my skull and I did it
well and the kids just died.

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I just like those moments are so
special, like it doesn't matter

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how I felt in that moment,
honestly at all.

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It was all about it's not
malicious.

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It's not malicious, malicious
because I joke around.

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I bought this.
I use it as a tool to just to

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make them laugh sometimes.
So they knew it was not crossing

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a line.
They knew it was OK to do that

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because I do all the time.
And and it just like it just

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brought me a moment of joy.
I could have just been like,

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that's quite funny.
Thank you.

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And like oh God no, I can't
possibly get 20 seconds off task

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right now.
I'm in a bit of.

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Yeah, put it down.
And the funniest thing is head

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teacher came in about 30 seconds
later.

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I said you will never guess
what, you will never.

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I said oh, and I was playing it
off and look what they got me.

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Look what they got me and.
He said yeah, I'll see you after

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school day.
Hello, hello, clipboard.

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No, luckily I had to just call
and he joined in with the with

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the banter, but that.
Made you cry.

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You took it really seriously for
him.

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It wasn't a joke anymore.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
You are a bald man, aren't you?

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Yeah, idiot.
You're stupid as well.

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Pathetic.
Pathetic.

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Can't even teach to do with
that, Sir, just by the way.

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And they hate you.
Oh, who's they?

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All of us, OK.
Oh gosh, jokes aside, I hope

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Teacher is the least toxic
person ever.

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He's so cool.
Yeah, super chilled out.

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Great guy.
I mean you probably get that

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from the story last time when I
said he was walking around with

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a with a bin bag on his shoulder
giving me feedback on the

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lesson.
Just didn't care.

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Oh, anyway, your week.
Any, anything.

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Yeah, I mean, it's just
Christmas in school, isn't it?

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I, I'm going to level with you.
And I think people have listened

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for a long time, probably know
I'm, I'm potentially the least

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religious person you'll ever
meet.

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Like as in like, I just really
don't believe in any of it.

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It's just my beliefs.
I don't care if people, but even

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other stuff, it doesn't bother
me at all.

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But I don't practise it at all.
I don't there's nothing about it

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that appeals to me whatsoever.
However, Christmas children

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choir, Christmas carols in a
church, doing a Carol service.

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Beautiful.
I do something about it every

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year.
It makes me feel like so warm.

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It it just, do you know that
feeling where you're just like,

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this is what it feels like to be
human?

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Like, I don't know, maybe I'm
just emotionless.

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You know what I think you'll
find?

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That's the warmth of God.
And you've not.

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You've misunderstood it.
This time maybe I need to

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convert, I don't know, but I
just inside of me, I just feel

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like, Oh my, when when you've
got like we had a Carol service

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basically on Tuesday evening and
all the staff go and we do like

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we do a sing along with 12 days
of Christmas and each person has

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a partner to stand up and shout
and everyone gets involved.

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It's really fun and you know, on
paper, you've got to come to a

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car service later, blah, blah,
blah, because we're all going.

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It's like, God, it's the kind of
thing on this podcast.

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Honestly, we'd be like, no, you
don't have to do that actually.

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But you know, again, it's part
of our directed time.

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We get a lot of time back as
staff.

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We get like an extra week off
because all our insects get put

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together and we don't have to do
any training and things like

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that.
So it's very much fair from our

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point of view.
We all agree to it.

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And do you know what?
Every time I go, I think I just

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love it seeing kids in a
different environment.

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I think that's what it is.
I talked about this before when

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we take children swimming and
I'm just like, this is what this

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is amazing.
The kids are loving it.

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They're they're swimming rather
than me stood in front of them

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feeling in a sheet, you know, I
mean, yeah.

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And it's the same thing when
they go to the when they go to

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the quiet and they stood in
front of honestly like 304

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hundred people singing.
And it's like that.

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That's a whole nother skill set
that I never even tap into as a

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teacher.
And then over there we've got

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five kids playing the flute.
I know by the way, these are

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like 9 year olds and they've got
a flute, which is as long as

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they're holding up and they're
just playing the flute

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beautifully in time perfectly.
Another child's on the piano.

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There's a bunch of others doing
the clarinet.

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And I'm just like, this is
insane.

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And it's not and it's not the
children you think it is going

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to be.
Yeah, that's, I think that's

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what I really like about it.
It's like, you see, you see

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children flourish that that
maybe don't, maybe don't often

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do that at school, like maybe in
maths and English.

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It's not, that's not really that
thing.

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Maybe pee is not that thing.
But I tell you what they can

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get.
You can stand in front of 300

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people and play their instrument
or they can sing in a quiet like

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I couldn't do that.
That that would take, that would

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take a lot of guts.
Yeah.

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No.
But even right now is another.

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I'm quite happy talking to like
presenting to kids.

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I'll talk to staff.
If someone said, oh, could you

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just, I'm really sorry.
Can you fill in?

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We need something that quiet
right now.

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I'd I'd be, well, nervous.
Yeah, horrible.

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Yeah.
I just, I think about this the

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other day and I wonder.
It really does.

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As a teacher, sometimes you can
forget what it feels like as a

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kid to be anxious about
something.

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So what?
What I mean is like, it's very

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easy.
I try, we try not to do it,

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obviously as teachers.
But when you're in English and

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you just think, why can't you,
Can you just do your handwriting

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bigger or can you not just put
in like an and you're thinking,

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why can't they just put an
adjective in?

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They're not confident or like
when they're reading and you're

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like, can you just sound it out?
And they're like, no, they're

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scared, they're worried.
It's easy to forget that when

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you're so competent with reading
as we are as adults or you're so

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good at maths because you've
just done it forever.

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And I think like putting
ourselves in those situations.

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Sometimes it does open up your
eyes to other situations.

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So if I think about how I would
feel having to sing, but not

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take the Mick, like don't not
having a joke.

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No, can you actually just sing
this properly?

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For me?
Try reading.

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It might not be amazing, but
it's OK.

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Like teacher always says in
English, doesn't have to be

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amazing.
Just give it the best shot.

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That wouldn't be enough for me
to not feel embarrassed.

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Yeah.
So it just opens your eyes of it

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isn't when you're sat with the
kids going.

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I'll just give it a go.
Have a have a Right.

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Go on.
Just do a couple of sentences to

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us that might sound like it's
nothing.

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And of course, that's gonna help
that child.

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Yeah, not really, because I, in
a different situation, would

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still feel horribly embarrassed.
Like I never ever want to really

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actually sing in front of anyone
because I've drew anxiety around

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it and it might be completely
fine but in my head it's not

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good so I don't.
Want to do the point isn't it in

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your head It's not it's you know
same with kids.

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It's, I think it's a really good
point actually, because like

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even you saying that, maybe just
reflect on over the years where

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there have been times where I've
absolutely, I've just taken for

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granted a piece of advice like
that.

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And I've said to a kid, come on,
this is not good enough and your

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hand wrist needs to be bigger,
literally.

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And then they then they end up
in tears and I'm thinking, Oh

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God, you know, overreacted.
What's going on?

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Like why they get upset about
this?

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It's a simple piece of feedback.
But to them, like you said, it's

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like, well, they're probably
horribly anxious about that.

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You've just made it really
awkward for them and now they

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feel terrible they've done this
thing because they're always

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thinking about it.
But to me, it's like, Oh, it's

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just one of 20 things that we
can all do really well.

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Yeah, exactly that.
Yeah.

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It just opens up your eyes,
isn't it?

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The more experiences you have
about stuff like that, I think

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it makes you a better teacher
personally.

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When you when you open up, no
one's perfect.

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I'm not saying I'd do that at
all really, but I think about

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it.
I'm like, Oh yeah, that is true.

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Yeah, that's what we do on this
podcast, isn't it?

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We reflect, we grow, we learn
together.

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We had another nice moment this
week, and I'm going to take the

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lead here, even though it was it
was a thing from both of us

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because you hang on, hang on.
I'll give you a credit.

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I'm looking at him.
He's getting itchy.

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You know he knows he's done
something.

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When we.
My credit's going.

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When it's when it's something
you do, we both came up with it.

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When it's something I do, I came
up with it.

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Yeah, literally.
So we, we did the timestables

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competition at our school and
Dylan was text me the other

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night.
And because there's this one kid

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in our school who has just like
kind of ruined the competition

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in a in a funny way, because he
just did so much more than

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anybody else, scored so many
more points than literally the

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entire school combined.
It was TT Rockstars.

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TT Rockstars.
There's minutes on the game,

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isn't it?
Yeah, exactly that.

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And and normally, and Dylan did
say to me, he was like, oh, did

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you put a limit on?
Because we normally limit these

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kind of things where it's like
you can only contribute an hour

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a day.
Otherwise, you do get a kid like

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this who will just play it for
honestly 7 hours a day at home.

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And I was like, Nah, do you know
what?

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I'm not doing a limit this time.
I know it's probably gonna go

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wrong, but I'm just gonna just
gonna let some.

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Kids shine.
So that's, yeah, to be fair,

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that choice for yours was was
was part of this and that's,

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that was probably a good choice
for.

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This.
Yeah, like I did, I did.

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I did know that probably would
happen, but I thought I'm just

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gonna.
Let still did it the kid.

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Yeah, I know.
And I'll tell you what, there

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was a couple of kids at Sean and
they did, they did so much more

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than everybody else.
And I thought, I just kind of

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want, I just want these kids to
actually just be put on a

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pedestal for once because you
know what?

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They don't often get put on a
pedestal.

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Everything's super fair.
I was like, I just want them to

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anyway, so we had this, this
this one boy who just scored.

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I think it was something like if
it for context, most kids scored

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like 203 hundred points average.
He's got 18,000 and something.

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But it like the leaderboard
looked ridiculous.

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It was so skewed.
And so Dylan was like, we should

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get him a crown and a Cape.
And I was like, yeah, yeah,

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we're chatting when I was
ordered literally about 5 LB

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Cape and and crown on Amazon.
I was like, I'm going to I'm

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going to crown him king of the
times tables in assembly front

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of the kids and give him a give
him a trophy and all these

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things and he's going to wear it
all day and.

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He's the type of kid who we
thought would appreciate it.

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Yeah, and he loved it.
And you weren't there because

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you had to go out for what was
Cinema Trip and saw that a

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minute.
And I was so gutted that you

451
00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,640
weren't there because I really
wanted to ham this up with you.

452
00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,000
But I thought I'd tell you, tell
you anyway because you weren't

453
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,960
here.
Weren't there so I put I got

454
00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,960
into the front of assembly and
as I was crowning him the king

455
00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,840
of times table I said are you OK
with this because all the kids

456
00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,920
were obviously like laughing and
cheering and I was thinking the

457
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,200
last thing I want right now is
he's.

458
00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:05,440
Imagine, he said.
You know.

459
00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:07,400
Yeah, I know.
If he did, I genuinely would

460
00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,599
have started.
I would have been like, yeah,

461
00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:10,920
king of the timetables.
I'll chat to you later, you

462
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,480
know, come, come and get the
prize.

463
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,720
Whether.
But he absolutely lapped it up

464
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,040
and he did not take that crown
and Cape off for the entire day.

465
00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,960
He was running around the
playground like with his Cape

466
00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,760
blowing in the wind, 5060 kids
following him the whole time

467
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,319
going king, king, king, king,
king, king.

468
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,920
And it was just one of those
things I was looking at thinking

469
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,160
he'll remember that forever.
I really hope he remembers that

470
00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,560
forever because he's not someone
that will necessarily get that

471
00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,200
that award like the classic.
Award or the other one in like

472
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,560
PE?
Way of like, you know, you get

473
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,640
those few kids that kind of
dominate PE and, and maybe even

474
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,880
in maths and English, you know,
he's great, but he might not get

475
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,040
like certain things.
This is the thing that he's

476
00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,680
going to look back and be like,
do you remember in primary

477
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,920
school when they crowned me King
of the times table in Year 6 and

478
00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,000
I ran around the playground and
the kids followed me all day and

479
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,760
we're lapping it up?
I just said I don't so I'm sorry

480
00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,400
about it.
I don't remember thing.

481
00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,760
Yeah, and I think I was Mr.
Price actually thought of that.

482
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,080
It's funny 'cause Mr Stevens was
the one doing all the, But I

483
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,880
think it was Mr. Price that you
thought that idea.

484
00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,680
So yeah, it was great.
Thank you for that idea because

485
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,800
it really made it special for
him.

486
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,200
It'd be a shame you weren't
there.

487
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,480
He didn't.
Care and I was glad we had a

488
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,920
cinema trip.
I'll tell you what moving on

489
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,480
like sidestepping here a little
bit, the local Rotary clubs we

490
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,200
did like an art competition for
the Rotary Club.

491
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,680
The Rotary Club are like local
clubs where people get together

492
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,520
and and raise funds for local
causes and stuff.

493
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,960
Yeah and so we did a art
competition for them and we

494
00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,800
worked with them quite a bit.
Our art lead works with them a

495
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,840
lot and they just are art leads
obviously in year 4 with me so

496
00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,200
they just like bought out a
cinema for a private screening

497
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,880
of Moana 2.
What the whole of year 4 went to

498
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,760
see Moana two.
It was empty apart from us in

499
00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,800
that whole cinema.
All of the kids got, you know

500
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,040
those little snack boxes you
get?

501
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,360
Yeah, those little fold up
thing.

502
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,920
Popcorn and sweets.
Yeah, and the drink, they all

503
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,960
got a drink and we just went to
the cinema.

504
00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,200
That was just just, we went to
watch Moana 2 and I was just

505
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,880
like, there's nothing more to
say really other than what an

506
00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,440
experience.
Some of them kids, some of the

507
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,680
kids already seen more one or
two.

508
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,440
Some of them were like, oh, I'm
going to see this.

509
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,320
That way you get to see it
again.

510
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,760
And I honestly, you just think
about in that like 100 kids

511
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,840
went, think about how many kids
just wouldn't get the

512
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,960
opportunity.
To to.

513
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,600
Go to the cinema, have some
sweets, watch, watch the latest

514
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,000
film.
And I just thought, oh, this is

515
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,280
so.
And the kids were so well

516
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,320
behaved, like they're a bit,
they're excited obviously, but

517
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,560
there was just 100 kids blooming
a block watching it.

518
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,440
The teachers, we sat up the back
so we could see everyone.

519
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,960
Few of them needed the toilet,
obviously.

520
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,800
Isn't it weird in primary school
when a child needs the toilet,

521
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,320
all four kids sat directly next
to them suddenly need the toilet

522
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,200
as well?
Very strange.

523
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,720
Phenomenal, strange.
Sweet, it's called.

524
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,120
It's called like, you know,
something to bladders.

525
00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,120
Just unifying unifying bladder
syndrome.

526
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,120
Yeah, that's one you.
Have.

527
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,600
Yeah, yeah, Anyway, yeah, that's
just beautiful.

528
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,960
And that was, again, just
another example of how the

529
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,760
timetable towards Christmas goes
to park.

530
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,040
But you know what?
Yeah, it's stressful, it's

531
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,000
tiring, but I'm probably the
happiest I am in the school year

532
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,680
in that last week or two where
I'm just, I feel like I'm

533
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,360
getting the most out of the kids
in terms of their pure joy.

534
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,600
So you're the happiest, The kids
are probably the happiest.

535
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,400
Doesn't that say something?
Yeah, exactly.

536
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,400
I just wanted to say this.
I don't think teachers are

537
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,000
scared of stress.
Obviously we wouldn't keep doing

538
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,520
this job.
Teaching is stressful.

539
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,160
Lots of jobs are stressful.
We still choose to do them.

540
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,040
When we complain about stuff,
it's the controllable, the stuff

541
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,720
that we're just like we could
have control over.

542
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,440
And I think as primary school,
we're really bad sometimes it

543
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,760
being like, no, guys, come on,
pull this back.

544
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,280
And the reason we're saying pull
this back, and I hope everyone

545
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,680
gets this when we're listening,
the reason we're saying pull XY

546
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,360
and Z back is because we
completely accept the other part

547
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,800
of it's going to be stressful
and manic and horrible and over

548
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,640
the top and tiring.
And we're not expecting to not

549
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,680
feel absolutely exhausted at the
end of the term.

550
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,480
We just want to control the
stuff we can because the stuff

551
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,560
like this, when it's like
Christmas dress and we're going

552
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,520
over the top for the kids and
their party's there and it means

553
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,360
we're going to have to tidy up
the hall after for an hour.

554
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,480
We don't care.
We never, we never would say

555
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,840
let's not do that.
It's the stuff we can control

556
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,560
that doesn't actually affect the
children too much.

557
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,840
That's the stuff we're
passionate about bringing back a

558
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,160
bit, just to have a bit of
sanity.

559
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,560
It's it's sitting there at the
end of the term after school,

560
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,920
completing your history teacher
assessments, knowing that it's

561
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,720
never been going to be used for
anything, looks, anything, used

562
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,800
for anyone or for any reason.
There's stuff like that.

563
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,360
We are like, oh, we do have
control over this.

564
00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,480
Like we could all just say, hey,
let's not do it.

565
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,040
Yeah.
And nothing will change for the

566
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,040
kids.
Nothing will change for the

567
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,280
teachers, nothing will change
for our planning.

568
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,360
It's just like I had a
conversation, you would not do

569
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,800
it.
And the conversation was with

570
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,760
someone who's not in SRT or
anything like that, you know,

571
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,920
just a teacher on the ground.
And it was just like this person

572
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,360
was saying, oh God, I've not
even touched that marking yet.

573
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,840
I don't even touch that saying,
like, God damn, when I'm going

574
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,680
to do this because they're doing
seven other things that I've not

575
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,680
even touched that marking yet.
I was like #1 doesn't that show

576
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,640
that that's so far down on your
list of stuff to do?

577
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,200
So straight away, like,
obviously, like, come on.

578
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,200
And #2 I just said to them, what
would happen if you didn't mark

579
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,000
it?
Like I just said to them

580
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,480
straight up, what would happen
if you didn't mark it?

581
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,800
I'm being realistic here.
This is, this is against our

582
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,800
policy.
Yeah.

583
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,400
So it's not, it's probably not a
very helpful question to say

584
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,280
sometimes.
But I just said I've just

585
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,760
watched you work flat out for
two hours and your PPA doing 8

586
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,560
different things.
Yeah.

587
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,920
And I know you've got something
else to do after school.

588
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,280
What would happen if you didn't
mark that geography?

589
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,120
Well, Dylan, what would happen
is this the learning would just

590
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,640
suck out of the children's
brains because they obviously,

591
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,160
when they're aware it's not been
marked, it would kind of undo

592
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,360
the process.
I'm not sure if you're aware of

593
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:14,680
that.
Right.

594
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,200
That's what I thought.
Yeah.

595
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,240
This teacher just said I'd feel
horribly anxious thinking I

596
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,280
hadn't done the right thing.
And I was like, do you know

597
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,440
what?
That's a legit answer.

598
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,640
Because that's the problem right
there.

599
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,560
You're fighting as a teacher,
anxiety around wanting to do a

600
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,360
good job and realism of just why
am I pushing myself to this

601
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,000
limit?
Because it's pointless, there's

602
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,160
no win for some people and I
think sometimes we're quite

603
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,600
simplistic and we're like, just
don't do it.

604
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,520
I was like, that's incredibly
anxiety inducing for some people

605
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,760
and getting over that step is
its own battle.

606
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because we're saying, oh, just

607
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,440
break the rule.
Exactly.

608
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,440
Just break the rule that's
really clearly set out for you

609
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,400
in this school.
It's like, OK, we can because

610
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,400
we, you said we're confident to
just be like this rule stupid,

611
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,880
don't wanna do it.
I had the exact same

612
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,320
conversation, funny enough, with
someone yesterday where I said

613
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,040
because I was literally doing
teacher assessments, which is

614
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,040
where that comment came from.
And, and I just, I was just, I

615
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,360
was only being silly because you
know what?

616
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,320
I had time to do it.
Yes, and I saw I was just doing.

617
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,440
It but I remember doing it.
I was just that they're doing it

618
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,720
thinking.
This is total, we got given time

619
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,160
to do it.
Yeah, but I was thinking this is

620
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,360
ultimately utterly pointless
though, realistically.

621
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,360
And I and I was joking around
saying, oh, I wish I could start

622
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,880
my own school.
I said I'd be controversial.

623
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,920
The first thing I'd do are no
teacher assessments unless they

624
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,800
actually had a purpose, like for
something we could justify them,

625
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,000
get rid of them.
Yeah, yeah, probably would.

626
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,520
And the teacher I was talking to
said, yeah, I also hate doing

627
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,040
them, but it's the rules, so
I'll always do them.

628
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,880
I will just do them to the
minimum standard because I know

629
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,680
they're not really that useful,
but I will always do them.

630
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,600
And it is very much the same
vibe of I don't, I don't want to

631
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,680
do them.
I think they're silly and I'll

632
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,760
do them to the minimum.
But the, the idea of breaking

633
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,760
the rules and just being that
person who's not doing their

634
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,720
job, that how it's been laid
out, laid out to them, whether

635
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,720
you agree with it or not, it's
much worse to them.

636
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,880
Yeah, I was like, yeah, that,
yeah, like you said, you I can't

637
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,280
really argue with it.
I was like, OK, fair enough.

638
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,440
Because you are literally just
doing the job you are being paid

639
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,720
for.
Funnily enough, it ends up being

640
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,840
the worst of both worlds though.
Yeah, because you end like

641
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,600
honestly, I'll be really real
now to anyone listening, my

642
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,280
marking is probably 3 out of 10,
honestly, because I think to

643
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,320
myself, well, I've got to do it.
I can't have an empty book

644
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,680
because it's part of the policy.
So I end up doing it pretty

645
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,000
rushed and badly.
And if you actually picked it

646
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,400
up, all the stuff, if you looked
at the policy, there's probably

647
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,560
bits that I'm missing out,
right?

648
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,120
But the point is, I'm just like,
okay, well, honestly, I don't

649
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,640
think that's really very
important.

650
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,560
So I'm going to go through and
I'm going to highlight and I'm

651
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,720
going to just take the odd thing
and fix maybe a capital letter

652
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,200
or something.
Yeah.

653
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,240
But realistically, I've done
that other process for years of

654
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,120
my career and it made no
difference to the child's

655
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,440
progress whatsoever.
Yeah.

656
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,200
And do you know what?
Can I be really real now?

657
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,200
For the last two 3-4 years I've
been doing it this way.

658
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,240
I still put it in progress with
the children.

659
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,120
Yeah.
Nothing's changed.

660
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,800
So it's like when we're actually
think about the reason we do

661
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,240
stuff like that, it's not
actually having that much of an

662
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,840
impact.
So yeah, you know, for me

663
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,760
personally, that choice between
feeling really anxious to

664
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,000
breaking the rules or pushing
yourself to burn out, I'll pick

665
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,560
the anxiety, yeah, and I'll try
and work on that and I'll try

666
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,040
and make that work rather than
push myself to burn out.

667
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,800
Yeah, 100 percent, 100%.
But that's us.

668
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,200
And Nick Dillon, Yeah, that's
us.

669
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,240
And that's, that's why we're
here, baby, that's.

670
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,160
Why we're here We push the
button rant here rather than

671
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,560
getting fired or running at
school.

672
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,360
Well, very funnily enough, what
I'll say now is at the end of

673
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,400
this episode we're going to have
a quick Q&A and some it's very

674
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,680
linked to what you've just said
about getting into trouble.

675
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,040
It was a very interesting
question.

676
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Which of course, I don't know
anything about because I don't

677
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,960
actually get.
All jokes aside, Dylan really

678
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,000
does do all of it so.
But stick around because we'll

679
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,880
do Q&A at the end.
But I think maybe we'll have a

680
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,760
little Jingle now.
Yeah, you've set up a game for

681
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,000
me.
I've.

682
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,080
Got a game?
I've got a game.

683
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,520
I've even got a rather you up
section for later on because I

684
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,600
love getting you angry.
So yeah, let's do it.

685
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,120
Hayden got really excited about
the prospect of just annoying me

686
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,760
massively.
So we're going to do the write

687
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,840
up now because again, the main
bulk of the episode, you've

688
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,520
clicked on the title, etcetera,
is a teacher this or that.

689
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,560
So I'm really looking forward to
that.

690
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,640
I've not seen any of it, but
let's do the write up now.

691
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,080
We'll do this or that and then
we'll finish up with those

692
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,800
listener questions at the end.
So do stick around if you sent

693
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,960
us a question.
Sounds like a good, well

694
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,960
structured plan.
Absolutely.

695
00:25:56,120 --> 00:26:00,360
We know what we're doing.
Time into OK, so again on forums

696
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:01,720
and things.
We need to get a write up there

697
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,680
and Jingle there.
We really do, we really do.

698
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,000
Maybe someone can make it for
us.

699
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,080
Do you know what?
Imagine as if you don't have

700
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,080
enough workload.
Guys, can someone over the

701
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,560
Christmas just whack up a like
little 22nd Jingle please?

702
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,760
About me being rather.
Thank you.

703
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,840
We'll play for this.
Actually, we'll play it every

704
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,680
time.
Anyway.

705
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280
So someone says they run, they
run a club at their school,

706
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,640
really successful club.
So like literally like 30% of

707
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,360
the kids in that school come to
this after school club.

708
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:26,600
Is this Donald Trump?
It.

709
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,080
Was the best club.
It was, it was the best club.

710
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,800
No one else goes to any other
clubs.

711
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,920
They go to this club, they say
Donald, God, you're a top guy.

712
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,040
You're a top guy, Donald.
This club is the best. 30% of

713
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,680
people come to this club.
Oh my God, no one goes to any

714
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,760
other clubs.
I'm the club.

715
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,720
I'm the club man you.
Got a little bit Irish there a

716
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,120
little bit.
I'm the top guy, I'm the top

717
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,080
guy.
I'm Donald.

718
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,120
That was good.
That was good impression.

719
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,760
Well done.
Keep working on it.

720
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,560
Nice one keep.
So this person runs a very

721
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080
successful club and they're the
only teacher that runs a club

722
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,000
and they don't get paid for it.
They're obviously just

723
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,520
volunteering to do a club
because they want to.

724
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560
However, from spring term the
school are going to start

725
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,320
charging for this club.
I don't know why, but they

726
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,120
didn't before.
It's not what I think is going

727
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,960
to happen.
And when I, when I queried that,

728
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,520
they said, oh, are you charging
so I can get paid for it

729
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,400
basically, right, Because I'm
the only person doing this

730
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,200
voluntary club.
Right, OK.

731
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,080
What do you think the what do
you think the response was?

732
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,840
No, no, really.
I was told no, this this forcing

733
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720
your directed hours?
No, and they've said well, no,

734
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,160
they work full time, have weekly
staff meetings, they do parents

735
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,680
evening, etcetera,
interventions, team meetings

736
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,200
after school and literally only
member of staff that even runs

737
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,400
an additional thing outside of
school, a club.

738
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,680
And they've and they've been
told no, no, it's part of your

739
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,040
direction.
No, they're not paying.

740
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,440
They're not paying.
Them they're going to start

741
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,200
charging the kids for this club
because they've seen how

742
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,320
successful it is.
They're expecting the staff

743
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000
member to carry on doing it,
almost to the point of like

744
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,200
disgusted that they asked that
they might be getting some of

745
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,040
the money for and told no it
should direct to time.

746
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,960
So what they they're just
skimming some money off parents

747
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,480
for a teachers goodwill?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,160
That's disgusting.
Yeah, that's.

749
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,840
Disgusting.
I'm happy to push back.

750
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,560
I want to make sure that push
back I'm in my right push back.

751
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,040
You don't have to do the bloody
club.

752
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000
No one else is doing the club.
That's insane.

753
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,680
I've never been so angry at one
of these.

754
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,440
That's made me so angry.
The school are disgusting.

755
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,000
I know.
That is the ultimate undermining

756
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,160
of your professional staff.
Yeah, going above.

757
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,560
And This is why teachers can't
bother to go above and beyond

758
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,400
anymore.
Honest to God, what is the that

759
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,840
is disgusting.
This is like such an don't

760
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,760
charge.
Like just keep it going.

761
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,240
Like like no one's even saying,
oh, you should be making money

762
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,880
off this.
No one mentioned money until the

763
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,480
school wanted to skim off money
for your extra heart.

764
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,960
That's disgusting.
I know.

765
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,000
Honestly, that is it's like a
soup kitchen starting to charge

766
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,080
for the soup, like, and then the
volunteers still volunteering.

767
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,960
It's like, no, that's that's a
business now.

768
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,920
You can't not pay the people
doing it anymore.

769
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,280
Yeah, it's now a business.
Are you insane?

770
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
I can't believe.
That I know it doesn't feel

771
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,520
real, does it?
I can't believe that's real.

772
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,080
You know what?
I can believe that's real

773
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,680
because I feel like that.
I've seen that happen before,

774
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,800
but it's absolutely mental.
I can't believe.

775
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,640
That can I read you a comment on
that on that thread?

776
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,560
Can I just read you a comment I
can see because it might, you

777
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520
know, spark Sparky some more.
Someone said I run a club every

778
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,600
week as part of my contract, OK,
and I'm happy to do it.

779
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,320
This is the response to this.
Fine.

780
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,920
In fact, I asked if I could run
a second one on another

781
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,960
afternoon after school starting
in January.

782
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
To be honest, I'm amazed how
many teachers think any but dip

783
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,840
anything beyond delivering
lessons 9 to 3 to be a massive

784
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,840
imposition.
Honest.

785
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,400
Get in the bin.
Who are you?

786
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,280
If you're listening to this and
you comment or think that, get

787
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,760
in touch with me and let's talk
like genuinely, because I want

788
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920
to get into your head.
Are you insane?

789
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,920
Like, do you know what?
This is exactly what I meant

790
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,360
when we did all those posts
before, honestly, a few weeks

791
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,840
ago, which were like, John, we
did that teacher martyr post,

792
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,440
which is very specifically about
not just people who go over the

793
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440
top, but people who then make it
their own identity and then

794
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,720
shame other people for doing it
right.

795
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,960
Yeah.
And the amount people, I don't

796
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,800
think these people exist.
I think people just work hard.

797
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:55,080
I don't think teachers does not
have teachers going against

798
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,040
teachers.
No, let's have teachers going

799
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,920
against teachers when they're
the teachers we're talking

800
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440
about.
Get get over yourself.

801
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,680
If you want to do a club, do a
club.

802
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Amazing.
You're doing such a good thing

803
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,960
for the kids, aren't you?
You want to do 2 clubs,

804
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,560
Fantastic.
You want to sit online?

805
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,480
I do 2 clubs and I I quite think
the people who don't do it are

806
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,160
quite what they want to expect
on the 9 three get in the bin.

807
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880
Honestly, what are you doing?
And don't pretend it's just

808
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,120
everyone else is just doing a
lovely jolly nine to three.

809
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,840
Are you, are you pathetic?
It's pathetic.

810
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,080
What do you think teachers are
doing?

811
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,040
Prepping their lessons in the
morning, planning stuff outside

812
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,000
of school, marking after school,
going to meetings?

813
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,840
Get in the bin.
Stop.

814
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Jerry.
Can't you think of the word when

815
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,440
you just on your soapbox?
I do 2 clubs and quite frankly,

816
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,120
that's the that's the saying
that gets me.

817
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,240
Quite frankly, I don't
understand why all of you sorry

818
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,520
people down there aren't doing a
club piss off.

819
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,920
Wow, honestly piss off this
section.

820
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,600
This section is working.
No, you don't.

821
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480
I want to make it really clear,
if you do, you listen to this

822
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,400
and you do clubs and the kids
have an amazing time.

823
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,440
That is so good.
Genuinely, I love doing a club.

824
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Yeah, when it's like your your
passion and the kids are happy

825
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,760
like it's amazing.
It's the next step that I'm

826
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,200
moaning about here.
Don't shame other.

827
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,840
People, it's the attitude, yeah,
it's.

828
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,960
Not the.
Don't do that.

829
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,280
It's not the act of the club.
I think you made that very clear

830
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,760
to be in in your point.
That was good because.

831
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Good because I can't remember a
word I said.

832
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Yeah.
So you, you went into, yeah, you

833
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,920
were by rage range by rage.
Blinded by BNM and the range.

834
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,920
Can I do another one?
Yeah, go on.

835
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,880
I got a few but I'll do one.
Oh my God, I've never been.

836
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,800
I'm actually like, I feel like
I'm shaking a bit.

837
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Yeah.
It's annoyed me so much.

838
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,480
I can't believe the.
Unreal, isn't it?

839
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,160
I'll tell you what though, I get
the feeling that Teacher had

840
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,680
already knew what the right
thing was.

841
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,120
To do, just check you want that
bit.

842
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,360
Of check in bit of backup, maybe
people get annoyed.

843
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,520
Maybe the link to this podcast.
Maybe the link to this podcast

844
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000
with the time stamp.
Yeah, I think I called them

845
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:47,880
pathetic.
I'm sorry.

846
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,760
Yeah, I think you might have
done.

847
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,360
Anyway, here's another one.
This one's a bit more, just a

848
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,560
bit more serious, actually.
Just a bit more of like, oh, is

849
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,720
this allowed or not?
Someone said they've been pulled

850
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,040
up by another member of staff
because they didn't plan.

851
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,120
They didn't provide planning for
the TA who's doing their PPA.

852
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,520
So at that school this, this
person's the PPA is obviously

853
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,200
covered by ATA and it's one of
those classic examples of who's

854
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,360
planning it then because TA is
not getting paid anything to do

855
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,080
it.
And it's very much in the

856
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,320
teachers like the union say you
should not be providing stuff.

857
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,440
That's what they've said.
Am I in the wrong Base in my

858
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,400
union said that I shouldn't be
expected to plan for my PPA, but

859
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,240
I appreciate that my TA isn't
expected to plan either.

860
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,400
Looking for reassurance and what
to do.

861
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,400
This this is the realistic side
of this advice forums, these

862
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200
like union guidelines and things
like that.

863
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,400
When in real life it's not as
clear cut, is it to just say,

864
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,280
well, the guidance is X.
So that's why I would say in

865
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800
that situation, especially like,
you know, you get on your TA,

866
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,920
you obviously don't think
whatsoever that they should be

867
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160
getting anything ready for the
PPA, but neither should you.

868
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,920
That same that same like care
and and looking out for your TA

869
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
and their time and really
valuing their time that you have

870
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,840
other people need to have for
you.

871
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440
Yeah, they need to have the same
kind of oh, no, no, that's

872
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,120
awful.
Again, this is that's a teacher

873
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,280
martyr moaning.
That is a teacher martyr.

874
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,440
The other, the other teacher.
Sorry.

875
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,480
Yeah, the other teacher who's
making that person feel bad.

876
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,720
They went to the head teacher
and and moaned about them.

877
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,120
They complained.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

878
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,640
They're.
Not what the the teacher

879
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,720
moaning.
Yeah, the other teacher, yeah,

880
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,000
went and complained about this
teacher is posting saying

881
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,600
they're not providing, they're
not providing a proper, adequate

882
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,880
planning for.
The that is, that's a teacher

883
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,360
martyr right there.
Again, that yeah, that is a

884
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,600
teacher.
When someone, someone says to

885
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280
me, don't go after the teachers,
we should all be in it together.

886
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Well, they're going after the
other teacher already.

887
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,280
So I'm going to go after them
and say that that's pathetic

888
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240
because the only response from
any teacher in that situation

889
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,880
should be, Oh yeah, that's not
right.

890
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,320
Let's fix this.
Not shaming someone for not just

891
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760
accepting that their workers
rights are being undermined.

892
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,520
Don't we don't just accept that
that's just called, you know,

893
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,040
solidarity.
So if you're going to go against

894
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,200
teachers, I'm going to go
against you.

895
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,480
I've got I'm not going to just
blanketly not go against the

896
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,480
teacher.
So the person moaning that the

897
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,800
other teacher is not leaving
planning for their people.

898
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,440
They shouldn't be leaving
planning for the people.

899
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,960
Do you know what?
In the real world as teachers,

900
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,480
sometimes you do stuff that go
against the guidelines for a bit

901
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,920
and you're like, OK, well,
obviously, OK, I'll sort it out

902
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,760
for a few weeks.
But let's, let's get a solution

903
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,440
in place.
Let's build something in.

904
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,639
Don't don't just not leave your
TA anything that's annoying for

905
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,600
the TA and you wouldn't do that.
And as a teacher, you can

906
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,520
probably come up with something
three times as quick as a TA

907
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,280
could.
So just do it yourself for a

908
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,840
bit.
But in the meantime, something

909
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,320
should be being fixed, push for
it.

910
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,400
And then eventually, if it's
still not happening, you go to

911
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,080
TA and you say, look, neither of
us are getting any time to do

912
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,000
any prep here.
So what we're going to do, we're

913
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,520
going to do this in PPA.
It's something that doesn't need

914
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,960
any prep time whatsoever.
It might not be the best for the

915
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,080
children, but do you know what?
If it isn't the best for the

916
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,800
children, hopefully someone will
come along and sort something

917
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,480
soon.
Yeah, yeah.

918
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,159
Because if that's not down to, I
mean, even.

919
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,800
The step before that would
hopefully be let's tell SLT

920
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,840
yeah, this is the problem, and
see if they can actually.

921
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,639
Have a that's what I mean.
I mean, you're kind of assuming

922
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,679
when nothing happens.
Yeah, again, that that head

923
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,239
teacher, honestly, if they were
a good head teacher, Yeah, their

924
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,960
reply to someone saying this
teacher is not prepping stuff

925
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,880
for PPA, a good head teacher
would say, oh gosh, no, they

926
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,800
shouldn't be.
What's going on?

927
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,560
Yeah.
Thanks for bringing.

928
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,880
That to my Yeah, brilliant.
We'll sort that and and that

929
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,960
teacher would feel a bit silly
at that.

930
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Point.
Yeah, absolutely.

931
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,760
Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean not as rather up as

932
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,240
the first.
One.

933
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,200
No.
That's why I'm a bit more

934
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,960
serious.
But it's, that's real, that's

935
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,320
real life to me that I think
we've seen loads of schools

936
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,640
where teachers leave stuff for
PPA.

937
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,840
And you know what, sometimes
it's not because someone's being

938
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,720
malicious.
It's just like we just don't

939
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,480
have the ground feet on the
ground.

940
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,200
We just don't have the people to
do that.

941
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,720
But but we have to sort it
because that's a fundamental

942
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,760
right as a teacher to get that
time out and.

943
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Like we've said before, I mean,
I think every, honestly, every

944
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,480
school I've worked in has
honestly fallen into this trap

945
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,560
regardless of intentions, not
even, not even having 10% PPA,

946
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,840
it's always been like 8%, nine
percent or it's just not

947
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,120
actually quite worked out
properly.

948
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,240
And it's an afternoon that'll do
or morning that'll do.

949
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,520
It's like, well, it's not
actually, it's actually not 10%

950
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,440
of my time.
And like and and. 20 minutes a

951
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,960
week does add up when it comes
to planning.

952
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,840
It's funny, isn't it?
Because 20 minutes a week for

953
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,640
teachers not getting their PPA
is 20 minutes, 20 minutes away.

954
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,240
It's not much, is it?
My kid being 5 minutes late a

955
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:58,760
day would lose your mind,
wouldn't you?

956
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Yeah.
Yeah.

957
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,680
They'll get letters home to
parents.

958
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,800
Like every minute counts.
Every minute counts 5 minutes

959
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,640
late, You'll be there.
Every minute counts everybody.

960
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,560
You're not getting 20 minutes a
week PPA, though.

961
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,040
And that's fine because not
every minute counts for you.

962
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,680
Every minute counts for someone
else.

963
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,400
No, it's just, you know, as a
professional, there are certain

964
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,240
requirements that you should
meet.

965
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,480
And yeah, it can't always
happen, but it should be on the

966
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,040
way to happening.
I think we've defined a

967
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,800
non-toxic school as that every
school is going to have stuff

968
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,280
you could in isolation say Oh
well that's toxic.

969
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:26,960
Yeah, of course.
Well of course.

970
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,400
But it's not a toxic school.
If it's implementing things are

971
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,240
on the way to solving it that
that's what defined.

972
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,520
I think you said last week,
didn't you were like, we should

973
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,440
maybe be careful how often we
use that word toxic.

974
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,600
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of getting banded

975
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,120
around.
And I agree.

976
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,840
I think I do it.
I think I use the word toxic

977
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,280
really quickly and actually
something, it's just, it's just

978
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,040
a mistake, honestly.
It's just, it's just a system

979
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,040
that's just not really been
updated in a while, hasn't it

980
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,200
Hasn't been looked at properly
as a flaw in this system.

981
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,280
Something's not been looked at.
It's not necessarily toxic.

982
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,160
You're absolutely right.
We've talked about what real

983
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,160
toxic schools are.
Yeah.

984
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,800
Should we play a game?
Go on then, you've got a game

985
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,160
ready for me.
I love it when you get a game

986
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,280
ready for me.
One, because I can like, feel

987
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,400
like I'm not in charge for a
little not in charge.

988
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,400
And and two, because it's nice
to see you doing something.

989
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,520
For the well, that's it.
I'm not playing the game.

990
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,600
This is by the way, I hope this
is a good game because this has

991
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,520
got like the top billing.
This is what our titles talk

992
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,240
about.
People have clicked for teacher

993
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,360
this or that.
Teacher this or that.

994
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,800
It's all about preferences.
OK, it's quite light hearted but

995
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,120
I'm hoping it will spark a few
opinions and discussions from.

996
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,600
OK, so opinions and.
Discussions on this podcast or

997
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
from Dylan who never.
Shuts up.

998
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,800
Here we go.
Very quickly for double funny

999
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,040
here because I'm interrupting
you and I'm talking over you,

1000
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,760
but one of the Q&A's that we
got, yeah, was from Emily came

1001
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,920
in the podcast.
Emily Weston.

1002
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, was just in
2025.

1003
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,920
Will you let Hayden speak a bit
more and.

1004
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,480
What's the answer?
In Unison 123 No.

1005
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,880
I replied going and then in
brackets, no.

1006
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:49,920
Brilliant.
Thanks for that.

1007
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Thanks Emily for looking out for
me.

1008
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,520
Appreciate that.
Anyway, shush anyway, Oh yeah,

1009
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,800
sorry me your.
Game please, just you.

1010
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,080
Ready, right.
So this or that.

1011
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,160
You say the game, so I can say
it after, yeah.

1012
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,880
So the game is this or game?
Is this or that games this or

1013
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,360
that?
Teacher edition, Teacher

1014
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,280
edition.
I'll stop and go on.

1015
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,640
So first one, nice good one to
get you started with.

1016
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,480
You just have to pick one,
justify it, That's it.

1017
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,880
Tables in your room in rows or
in table groups.

1018
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,400
Table groups.
Why?

1019
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,680
For most of the time, yeah, I,
I'm, I'm one of them teachers

1020
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,920
where my job share probably gets
really annoyed at me.

1021
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,120
I will just on a way and be
like, right, we're changing

1022
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,040
change out because right in this
very second table groups, I'm

1023
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,680
not working for you.
So we're just going to do rows

1024
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,240
at the front and I'll have like
a hybrid.

1025
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,920
Honestly, my favourite system is
a hybrid yeah, I'll have like a

1026
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,160
couple of rows maybe towards the
front and then maybe some groups

1027
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,200
around the back, but it depends
what we're doing.

1028
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,160
Honestly, most of the time
groups are probably best because

1029
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,640
it in, you know, a big
collaboration and stuff like

1030
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,440
that.
The problem with rows is the

1031
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,320
about kids honestly.
Like less than half the children

1032
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,600
are facing the board.
Like literally because of just

1033
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,120
the way would.
You say that is the major

1034
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,960
benefit of Rose.
It's literally the direction

1035
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,080
they're facing.
Yeah, exactly that.

1036
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
And you can still do really good
partner work in Rose.

1037
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,320
I think it's just like you're
losing maybe the group work.

1038
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,600
And I'm just like, OK, yeah, in
my lessons, honestly, like 90%

1039
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,440
of the time I want them to work.
So analysis with a partner.

1040
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,960
Yeah.
And the good thing about groups

1041
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,040
is you can work with different
people.

1042
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,080
I get that.
I understand it.

1043
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,640
But most of the time Rose are
probably more beneficial in

1044
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,240
terms of attention looking
forward.

1045
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,200
It's got like a Victorian.
Oh, great Victorian old school,

1046
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,920
isn't it?
It's like, yeah, but also it

1047
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,320
doesn't.
That doesn't automatically mean

1048
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,960
it never works.
When, when I started teaching,

1049
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,560
there was no way you would have
caught me doing Rose.

1050
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Yeah, 'cause I was very much
like, no, that's old school,

1051
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,480
That's not how you do it.
That's not collaborative.

1052
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,320
That's so old.
Yeah.

1053
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,680
But honestly, my, my class has
been Rose all year so far this

1054
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,160
year.
I just find the behaviours a bit

1055
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,760
better.
You have on average tables,

1056
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,560
don't you?
Not the moment.

1057
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,640
I'm, I'm a bit like you.
I will just, in the year just

1058
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,280
get a bit like fed up of it and
I'll just change it around.

1059
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But at the moment, so far this

1060
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,720
year, we've been rose all year.
Yeah, since September.

1061
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,120
But I just, yeah, I just find
their behaviours better.

1062
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,200
I think.
I felt like when they're in

1063
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,920
tables and they're facing each
other, there's so much more

1064
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,200
likely that's it and just catch
each other's eye and just start

1065
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,160
messing around.
You're setting them up to fail

1066
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,920
almost in terms of especially
some children with behaviour and

1067
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,920
things like that.
You can just cut that out.

1068
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,760
And I know you get benefits from
the learning.

1069
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,960
Listen, I understand that, but I
think anyone who comes along and

1070
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,840
says 1 is absolutely wrong
always.

1071
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,880
I think they're being
disingenuous and haven't

1072
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,040
actually taught very much
because it's just not true, is

1073
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,480
it?
They'll have benefits.

1074
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,840
I like a hybrid system.
Pros.

1075
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,160
And cons hybrids probably is the
best.

1076
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,280
Yeah, enormous thing.
Next one, probably a bit

1077
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,520
quicker.
Times tables practise on iPads

1078
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,920
or on paper.
I mean, I can't pick one.

1079
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,680
You gotta pick one.
If I could only ever do one

1080
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,920
always.
Yeah, let's make a new rule for

1081
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,560
this.
Exact one.

1082
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,160
All right, Which one?
Would you pick paper?

1083
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1084
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,960
Paper, I think.
I think it's really, really,

1085
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,800
really at this modern day again.
It's like the whole thing, it's

1086
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,520
old school, isn't it?
It's like, yeah, but it used to

1087
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,880
bloody work sometimes, didn't
it?

1088
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,440
I've seen children on an iPad
get distracted, it's bright,

1089
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,120
they want to go like they're on
TT Rockstars.

1090
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,440
I think TT Rockstars is amazing,
by the way.

1091
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,120
Yeah, yeah.
But I've seen, I've seen some

1092
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,080
children be like, oh God, I'll
just go to the shop quickly.

1093
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,520
I'll just get some, get myself a
new hat for my avatar.

1094
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,440
I'm like, guys, you've got 10
minutes on iPads, you need to do

1095
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,560
some timetable practise.
I think the algorithm on iPads

1096
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,800
is really good, that when you
get that built in and it's

1097
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,240
giving the children exactly what
they need.

1098
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,760
Yeah, it's really tailoring it
to them.

1099
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,920
It's differentiated straight
away.

1100
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,320
I think that's fantastic.
But you're making me pick 1.

1101
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,040
And I think for learning times
tables in order wrote in my

1102
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,200
lesson Do you know what get a
sheet of 60 questions.

1103
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,160
That's really interesting.
I didn't.

1104
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,920
I just write and just write and
just write and just write and

1105
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,840
write.
You may make me.

1106
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,000
I would never ever pick one.
I would always do both.

1107
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,360
And I think they're both both
really, really good.

1108
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,160
We're talking here 9 out of 10
and 9.5 out of 10.

1109
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,240
Wow.
OK, Because I would always do a

1110
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,560
mixture.
And like I explained why I think

1111
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,560
the iPads are really good.
They're really engaging as well.

1112
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,680
The iPads, like the kids love
Hit the Button.

1113
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,480
Anyone out there who is teaching
and still hasn't found Hit the

1114
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,280
Button?
The most simple game for

1115
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,920
timetables you will ever see.
The children love it.

1116
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,320
I give them the choice of what
they want to do.

1117
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,400
Sometimes on the iPad, yeah like
3 or 4 choices, they all go to

1118
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,120
Hit the button.
That's so funny, isn't it?

1119
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Yeah, it's so basic as.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1120
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,600
It's competitive, it's quick.
Yeah, they can beat the.

1121
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,440
Partner So do you know what I, I
really hate picking one, but I'm

1122
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,240
going to fight the corner right
now because I'm in, I'm in my

1123
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,720
paper zone of since September,
we've been doing every single

1124
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,520
day a sheet of timetable
practise.

1125
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,080
And I've, I've seen the kids
make really good progress.

1126
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,000
So do you know what?
Sometimes they've just got to

1127
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,080
write stuff down over and over
and over again.

1128
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:19,360
Don't be scared of rote learning
it.

1129
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,520
It has a bad Rep, I think with
the whole mastery approach and

1130
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,800
the modern curriculum and like,
oh gosh, no, you always need to

1131
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,360
understand the conceptual of
everything.

1132
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,480
That's really important.
You just need to know a time

1133
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,840
table.
If you do want them to memorise

1134
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,080
something exactly, it's at that
point That's interesting.

1135
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520
I really thought pick iPads just
for the algorithm and stuff.

1136
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,360
I would pick iPads.
Yeah, yeah.

1137
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,200
Again, I absolutely would never
pick one or the other.

1138
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,040
I'm doing it for this game.
Yeah, I think the algorithm is

1139
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,120
fantastic.
It's funny 'cause you fully

1140
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,680
justify why iPads are better in
every way and then pick that's

1141
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,120
interesting to listen to.
You absolutely sold me on iPad.

1142
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,240
Very quickly, I'm going to say I
am lower down in the school and

1143
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:54,000
we focus on one timetable at a
time and we explicitly teach it.

1144
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,400
Yeah.
So my whole class will be doing

1145
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,560
sevens at some point.
Fair enough.

1146
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,440
At that point I'm just like,
cool, I'm just going to give you

1147
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,080
sheets, practise it, learn it,
division facts.

1148
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,240
I want you.
I want to know.

1149
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,160
At this point you're all just
practising this and then you can

1150
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,240
go on the iPads and have the
algorithm and go back and.

1151
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,040
Dip yeah, that's fair enough.
I think you're like you said,

1152
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,080
you always have from the
beginning.

1153
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,080
Hybrid approach is better
anyway.

1154
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,920
So hybrid approach for tables
and for rows, hybrid approach

1155
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,120
for iPads on paper.
Let's find out this one Ready.

1156
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,200
Ready.
Next one?

1157
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,680
Oh, wonder what's going to be a?
Hybrid approach or picking one

1158
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,320
thing?
Writing learning objectives or

1159
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,160
not?
No.

1160
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,080
OK, that's.
Oh, wow, that wasn't good.

1161
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,040
Yeah, don't.
Don't bother.

1162
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,160
Waste time.
Make the learning objective

1163
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,120
clear.
The children should understand

1164
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,960
what they're doing, but not
always at the start of the

1165
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,200
lesson either.
I'm I'm a strong believer of

1166
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,120
that.
There are some points when

1167
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,280
you're teaching something where
you think right from the start

1168
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,320
of the session.
I really want the kids to know

1169
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,920
what the overarching theme for
this is.

1170
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,520
Let's lay it out really clearly
for them.

1171
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Sometimes that confuses the kids
more, especially if it's brand

1172
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,160
new learning.
You know, the children walk into

1173
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,160
lesson C on the board to learn
what perimeter is in a

1174
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,560
rectilinear shape.
OK, who's honestly who's that

1175
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,520
helping that they're writing
that they're like copying like

1176
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,520
letter for letter takes the
majors to write it because

1177
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,600
they've never seen rectilinear
before.

1178
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,440
You're just wasting 3 minutes.
Already the perimeter is.

1179
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,280
Do you not be much better?
Just get in, put a shape on a

1180
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,640
board and say how long is this
side?

1181
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,440
Or put a shape in front of them
and say, how do you measure the

1182
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,360
shape?
Just something as open Enders.

1183
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,840
Now, how would you measure this
shape?

1184
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,800
And some of them might be
counting squares.

1185
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,880
That's the area.
Fine.

1186
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,120
Some of them might be getting a
ruler and just going across the

1187
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,880
shape.
But not even the sides just have

1188
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,280
an open-ended question.
But how do you measure the

1189
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,160
shape?
Well, we're going to measure it

1190
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,480
this way.
We're going to measure around

1191
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,720
the outside of the shape.
And then eventually halfway

1192
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:31,520
through that lesson, you could
say, did you notice something

1193
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,280
about all the shapes that we're
looking at today?

1194
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,960
What if I gave you this shape?
That's how is this shape

1195
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,920
different?
It's got a curved side.

1196
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,560
Oh, that's interesting.
And all the shapes we've looked

1197
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,320
at have straight sides.
OK, brilliant.

1198
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,960
What about this shape?
Oh, yeah.

1199
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,440
It's all jagged.
It's got spikes in it.

1200
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,200
The angles are all weird inside.
What's what's been to say about

1201
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,400
all the shapes we've looked at?
They've all got right angles.

1202
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,680
Oh, that's interesting, isn't
it?

1203
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Yeah.
And we could probably, we could

1204
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,520
make this shape.
Could we cut it up?

1205
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,480
And it would be rectangles.
And we could make this shape out

1206
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,560
of smaller rect.
That's.

1207
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,920
And you can build up your
learning and understand what a

1208
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,520
rectilinear shape is and let the
end go.

1209
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,800
We call these shapes rectilinear
shapes, much more powerful than

1210
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,400
them walking in and going,
what's rectilinear?

1211
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,960
And you're like, well, we'll
come on to that in a minute.

1212
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,360
I'm like, why am I writing it
down that I want to know what

1213
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,480
rectilinear is?
OK, guys, it's like a shape,

1214
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,840
like made of rectangles.
What?

1215
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,880
How can I make a shape?
OK.

1216
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:18,880
Oh, my God, what a waste of
time.

1217
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,880
Yeah.
So my point point here is a

1218
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,040
hybrid.
No, I'm joking.

1219
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,080
I would absolutely bin them
because I think if through your

1220
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,920
lesson the objective isn't
clear, it's not a very good

1221
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,920
lesson.
Yeah, I think regardless of

1222
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,880
whether you wrote.
Exactly that, yeah, I think.

1223
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,640
Or how the kids know what
they're learning because they're

1224
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,320
in my lesson learning it for an
hour.

1225
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,360
Are you insane?
Like, I think it's, I don't know

1226
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,440
what happened.
I don't know.

1227
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Older teachers could say this
came in like 1015 years ago and

1228
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,520
it's a big thing.
You get some teachers who are

1229
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,960
printing off and cutting out
learning objectives and sticking

1230
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,560
them in the book the day before
the lesson ready for the next

1231
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,080
lesson.
Honestly, don't do it.

1232
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,600
If I had a choice I would just
never do it because I think as

1233
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,760
we just talked about how 5
minutes a day is very important.

1234
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Yeah, yeah.
We're spending 5 minutes a day

1235
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,040
writing the date, writing the
learning objective and me going.

1236
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,880
Have you underlined it?
I don't care.

1237
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,560
I don't care whatsoever if
you've underlined it or not, but

1238
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,360
someone's going to look at the
books and be annoyed if they're

1239
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,000
not underlined.
So have you all underlined?

1240
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Oh my.
God, yeah.

1241
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Wasting time.
When we were at school, I felt

1242
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,400
like it was titles.
Maybe.

1243
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,960
I'm sure I used to write titles.
It wasn't necessarily like LO or

1244
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,080
Li or whatever.
It was literally just a title

1245
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,560
and it was essentially the same
thing.

1246
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,960
But I I think they're equally,
equally pointless.

1247
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,240
Yeah.
So yeah, I'm sure there's

1248
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,480
someplace for like in English
maybe.

1249
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,760
A title, I think when you pick
up a book and you flick through,

1250
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,560
I'll tell you what it's very
clear what the children are

1251
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,120
learning.
The progression is really clear

1252
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,040
like as as if I'm a master
picking up a mass book, I could

1253
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,200
very quickly go, oh cool, well,
they're starting a place by you

1254
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,400
there.
Yeah, but I could also just look

1255
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:43,880
at what they've.
Done.

1256
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,240
Yeah.
Oh, look, I'm planning honestly.

1257
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Honestly, even just any there's.
Loads a ways to get around that,

1258
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,800
just ask the teacher.
But it looks nice.

1259
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,240
OK, it might look a bit a bit
nicer.

1260
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,840
It genuinely it you know what,
it does look nicer when it's

1261
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,680
nicely underlined and you've got
a date and whatever.

1262
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Fair enough, but I think I'm
with you on that one point, this

1263
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,720
waste of time.
OK, so think about Christmas.

1264
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,840
I suppose there's some, but
generally other parts of the

1265
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,280
year where gifts might be given,
right?

1266
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,920
Very specifically teachers
giving, being allowed to give

1267
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,640
gifts to children or not.
Like end of year Christmas

1268
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,000
gifts.
I know teachers that do like a

1269
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,880
they'll get everyone a pair of
gloves, sure, and stuff like

1270
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,200
that.
Are you saying would I ban it or

1271
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,440
not?
Basically as a do.

1272
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,120
Do you just agree with the
concept of teachers giving gifts

1273
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,920
to children?
I think that's fine.

1274
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,200
OK.
And I could caveat it with I

1275
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,480
don't do that.
So that's why I wanted to ask

1276
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,600
for a specific, Yeah, go on to
say what you're thinking.

1277
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,240
The point being, I don't do that
anymore.

1278
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,720
I used to do it and I don't do
it now, but I don't think it

1279
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,280
should be draconian top down.
You cannot do this.

1280
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,240
I think it's lovely.
I think it's nice.

1281
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:47,280
I mean, I and if I was an NQT
and being told you cannot do

1282
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,080
this, I'd be a bit guide.
I want to give I, I, you know,

1283
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,560
at that point in my career,
well, forever reason.

1284
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,200
I really wanted to do that for
the children.

1285
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,040
I still love the children just
as much now, but I've just

1286
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,520
realised that it's just
something I don't do for various

1287
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,280
reasons.
I just think I'm sometimes it's

1288
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
a waste of time.
Some kids, kids absolutely love

1289
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,600
it and then they forget about
it, you know, a day later.

1290
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,480
I can give them that sense of
love and warmth and affection

1291
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,040
without a thing being given to
them.

1292
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,600
Sure.
So I'm still I still feel like

1293
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,680
I'm I'm filling that role, but I
think some people want to do it

1294
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,800
and I would I would hate to say
no.

1295
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,760
I think for those very specific
times like Christmas, end of

1296
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,160
year, if you want to give a
little token something crack on

1297
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,720
yeah, do it.
I don't don't anyone make you

1298
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,880
feel bad for it.
You can choose to you can choose

1299
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,360
not to normalise not doing it is
what I would say yeah, sure.

1300
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,800
A few people again Q&A one of
the Q and we're covering it now.

1301
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,680
One of the one of the questions
was, I've done it for a long

1302
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,480
time.
I feel like I'm just wasting my

1303
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,920
money.
Sometimes it's OK to not do it.

1304
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,480
And I said very quickly, of
course it is.

1305
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,360
Yeah, do it if you want to do.
It yeah, it's just, it's up.

1306
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,400
To you and don't like in the
best way you you, you know, the

1307
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,400
fact you're even worried and
thinking about it shows you're a

1308
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,360
good teacher, doesn't it,
though?

1309
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,240
The fact you're there like
really, Oh gosh, I really want

1310
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,680
to get inside that shows you
care already.

1311
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,920
And you know what?
You can show you care a million

1312
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,200
ways.
I can just see you next week on

1313
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,600
the rile up Dylan section.
Someone saying I've I've been

1314
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,600
given gifts to my kids for
years.

1315
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,800
The school are going to start
charging for it now.

1316
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,120
I just want to know if you could
just see it, can't you like?

1317
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,440
The 2 LB A key ring. 2 LB a key
ring and I asked should I be

1318
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,600
getting?
I asked if I'll get that money

1319
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,120
and they said no.
It's part of your directed time

1320
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,240
to give you gifts.
Mate, don't because I'm actually

1321
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,320
I'm actually I've got residual
hate.

1322
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,080
Literally, let's move on
otherwise, So just to remind

1323
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,560
you, this game as well is like
just just your preferences.

1324
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,520
So that one was just very much
what's your preference giving

1325
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,960
gifts or not at the moment, your
preferences is just not doing

1326
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,640
it.
That's fine.

1327
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,360
So next one your again your
preference, how you think it

1328
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,280
should be done?
Do you think teachers should

1329
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,080
have involvement in policing
kids lunch boxes because you

1330
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,040
might have like healthy eating
policies at schools?

1331
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,600
What schools do?
So do teachers get involved?

1332
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,160
Do they look in them?
Do you make comments on kids

1333
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,200
food?
Yeah, yeah.

1334
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,920
Or completely withdrawn?
What's what's your what's your

1335
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,840
preference?
What do you do?

1336
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So as a classroom teacher, I

1337
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,080
don't think you should get
involved from the off.

1338
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,080
I don't necessarily think you
should see something because I'm

1339
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,720
not on dinner hall duty.
I feel like my anxiety here is I

1340
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,360
know a lot of children have
awkward relationships with food

1341
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,120
and I hate the idea of even one
out of 100 times perpetuating

1342
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,280
that bad relationship with food.
Maybe an extremely fussy eater.

1343
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,200
I might go around to 10 kids in
a row and say no finishing

1344
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,640
sandwich, it's fine.
No, you got you already that

1345
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,760
before you eat that, that's
fine.

1346
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,880
And there be one kid who
actually do you know what

1347
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,640
they're meeting Something is
better than meeting nothing.

1348
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Yeah.
And me coming around and in

1349
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,000
front of their friends saying
no, you got to eat that first

1350
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,880
piece before you eat that.
You can't eat crisps now you've

1351
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,080
got this in your lunch box.
You go eat that first or you

1352
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,320
shouldn't have that chocolate
bar in there.

1353
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,960
That's not healthy.
That's not healthy eating.

1354
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,120
That kid was only going to eat
the chocolate bar and it and it

1355
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,480
whether you like it or not, it's
better for the kid to have eaten

1356
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,240
a chocolate bar than absolutely
nothing.

1357
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,200
And there might be some
intricate background stories

1358
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,400
there.
And again, I think lunch staff

1359
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,320
and people should be really
aware of that and hyper aware of

1360
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,280
that.
And it should be something

1361
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,200
that's applied as the teacher
walking in you might not have

1362
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,480
that understanding.
And the idea of accidentally

1363
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,520
doing that really gives me that.
Oh God, I don't, I don't want to

1364
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,600
do that at all.
In general, I think it's good to

1365
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,040
have in a healthy eating policy
because you know, in the same

1366
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,760
way we are literally they're
guardians in school.

1367
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,800
There's another level.
It's an education.

1368
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,400
So I think that's absolutely
fine to have rules around lunch

1369
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,600
box.
Like I can't have 7 packets of

1370
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,800
Christmas or lunch.
No, you can't.

1371
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,200
OK, you can't.
It's got, it's got to be a

1372
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,600
certain level, OK, There's some
stuff allowed, other stuff not

1373
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,520
allowed to be fine.
In terms of policing stuff for

1374
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,880
the majority of kids, you can
tell them to do something like

1375
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,000
eat that before they eat this
and do that in the right order.

1376
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,440
Parents will probably appreciate
it.

1377
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,240
Just beware.
So yeah, set rules, enforce

1378
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:34,920
rules.
Just have in the back of your

1379
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,600
head that just.
I'm Someone had a weird

1380
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,040
relationship with food when I
was younger as well.

1381
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I remember feeling really

1382
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,200
anxious around certain stuff,
especially like, I'd have

1383
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,200
anxiety around the dinner lady
walking past me when I was

1384
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,840
eating.
Yeah, that's not nice.

1385
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,160
Like, it's just not nice.
It's like.

1386
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,880
Commented on something you.
Would have been yeah, oh, eat

1387
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,720
your broccoli 1st.
And I remember crying to my mum

1388
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,640
after because I wasn't allowed
to have my sausage rolling

1389
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,080
beans, yeah, because I hadn't
eaten all my broccoli.

1390
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,200
And I was just like, oh, do you
know what, Who cares?

1391
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,880
Yeah, I didn't anything then.
Yeah, it's better for me to have

1392
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:03,960
the sauce straw on the beans,
wasn't it?

1393
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,680
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.

1394
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:08,080
No, I think that's really good.
I am I'm quite I'm quite anti

1395
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,040
policing of lunch boxes.
I think I just always think

1396
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,520
about those kids, honestly,
probably most kids who

1397
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,560
absolutely have 0 involvement in
packing their lunch.

1398
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,360
Sure.
And I feel like that specific

1399
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,320
bit of policing where it's like
you're judging what they've got

1400
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,880
in their lunch box and say, oh,
come on, that's not that's not

1401
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,520
very healthy you.
Should police the parents though

1402
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,000
in the first place?
Parents have this different.

1403
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,040
I think you can have common so.
You mean policing?

1404
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,400
Should there be rules on lunch
box though?

1405
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,720
I think there should be rules,
right?

1406
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:30,720
Yeah, definitely.
And I think you should.

1407
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,000
I think you should.
We had to have dialogues with

1408
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,440
parents.
I'm just very specific in this

1409
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,160
context, talking about like, do
we police the kids in front of

1410
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,200
them?
Yeah, it's by having do we

1411
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,960
comment on kids lunch boxes to
the kids?

1412
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,400
And I think, I think 99% of the
time, absolutely not.

1413
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,360
It's just not our place.
I don't know what's going on at

1414
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,360
home.
Why?

1415
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,560
Why?
It's like, it's like absence.

1416
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,800
We talk about absence, don't we?
Sometimes it's like, do I really

1417
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,760
need to make a kid feel bad
because their parent didn't get

1418
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,720
them to school on time?
Seriously, that's eight.

1419
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,720
Like they're not really that
responsible yet.

1420
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,280
Anyway.
That's different conversation.

1421
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,320
So next one.
This is very much a preference

1422
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,880
now, OK.
Phoning a parent, yeah, or

1423
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,400
arranging a meeting for the
parent to come in.

1424
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,040
Phoning a parent at this point
in my career, Yeah.

1425
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,320
And the joke, I still get
anxious about it.

1426
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,760
I'm not gonna lie.
Like it's still like, oh God, I

1427
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,520
got a phone A.
Parent.

1428
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,160
So why does that one override
the everyone then?

1429
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,360
Because.
There's no time.

1430
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,760
Yeah.
Have you tried to, if you tried

1431
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,920
to arrange a meeting, Honestly,
it's like, well, I can't do this

1432
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:17,960
day, that day.
And they're like, well, I can't

1433
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,920
do this that a phone call.
I can just grab.

1434
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,880
Honestly, at any point during
the day, it's gonna take like 10

1435
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,680
minutes arranging a meeting.
They've got to come into school.

1436
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,240
They've got to find a time.
We've got to find a room.

1437
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,960
I think a phone call's quick.
I think as a professional now, I

1438
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,160
like a phone call because you're
still getting across the

1439
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,200
dialogue.
If it was an e-mail or arrange a

1440
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,840
meeting, I'd pick arrange a
meeting.

1441
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:37,520
I'll read us.
Yeah.

1442
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,760
Because again, because my point
again, I think you should still

1443
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,760
take minutes and stuff.
I get why people like emails,

1444
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,880
but there is just something, if
it's a serious thing, there's

1445
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,640
something about your intonation
and your voice and your tone and

1446
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,000
how something comes across which
is way more powerful.

1447
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,560
There's certain things where an
e-mail I'd probably follow up

1448
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,680
with an e-mail.
Always I'd say, hi, thanks for

1449
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,560
meeting today.
Just to confirm, we went over

1450
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,720
XYZ.
It's all in writing.

1451
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:58,920
It's all here.
Do you agree?

1452
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,320
Is this OK?
We're going to move forward with

1453
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:00,760
this?
Yes.

1454
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,440
Yeah.
That's a really good practise.

1455
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,320
But I think alone, an e-mail can
be misinterpreted sometimes,

1456
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,760
especially if you've got to say
something awkward.

1457
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,120
If you want to talk to a parent
like their child's being rude,

1458
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,600
you can tell a parent that into
their face in a much more

1459
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,360
courteous way in an e-mail that
can come across a bit like you

1460
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,520
just rude, not bothering like.
Yeah, you can't get the point,

1461
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,680
of course, in an e-mail without
being rude yourself.

1462
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,440
Almost where I'm interpreting it
the.

1463
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,560
Wrong.
And what I'd say to new teachers

1464
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,840
is throw yourself into the
situations.

1465
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,320
It's not nice, but the earlier
you do it, the quicker you get

1466
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,320
over it, the quicker you can do
it better in the future.

1467
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,800
So if you're there anxious
thinking, oh God, just I don't

1468
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,360
want to do this.
I mean, maybe I'll just, I'll

1469
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,640
ignore it or I'll just send an
e-mail, bite the bullet, get get

1470
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,200
sit down with parents, phone
them.

1471
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,920
Just do it after the 10th time.
You'll still have a niggle, but

1472
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,160
it won't be there as nearly as
much.

1473
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,800
I love that good advice.
I got a couple more.

1474
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,280
Yep, let's do quick fire, shall
we?

1475
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,840
Or were they?
I think it depends up to you.

1476
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,040
It's up to you how you how you
take it.

1477
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,400
End of year 6 show or normal
lessons?

1478
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,280
End of year 6 show, absolutely,
absolutely.

1479
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,520
Whatever chance do we get to do
proper drama and stuff like

1480
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,400
that.
And do you know what I love

1481
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,080
about the show?
So I know obviously all the

1482
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,960
drama and stuff and the kids
being on stage who again don't

1483
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,760
necessarily get the chance to do
that very often in school.

1484
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,440
The great thing about a show is
there is always a role for

1485
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,840
everyone.
That's why I like the show.

1486
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,800
If someone's not very confident,
really doesn't want to go on the

1487
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,800
stage, there can be a hand like
a hand on the side of the.

1488
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,640
Stage or do the lighting.
Do the props, do the lighting,

1489
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,240
do the do the, do the music.
So I think that's a really a

1490
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,520
bonding experience.
I think kids get so much out of

1491
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,000
it.
Who cares if they're not got a

1492
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,320
lesson?
That is their lesson.

1493
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,080
They're learning to cooperate,
they're learning to perform,

1494
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,680
they're learning to do the
lights, they're learning a

1495
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:33,800
computer programme.
Yeah, they'll only have to

1496
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,880
interact with parents in, you
know, when they come through the

1497
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,880
on the door and stuff like that.
Playing devil's advocate, then

1498
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,160
there's a big argument for when
when that happens that it's

1499
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,800
heavily implying to the kids
that once the Sats are over,

1500
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,680
because that's normally what
happens, is after Sats, once the

1501
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,200
Sats are over, maths and English
don't matter anymore.

1502
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,600
They only really mattered for
the test.

1503
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,240
You're now not going to be
really be doing it for like a

1504
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,600
month and then you're going to
have a month off, a month or a

1505
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,360
month and a half off.
Then you're going to secondary

1506
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,280
school and maybe have like
forgotten quite a lot.

1507
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,320
So that's like the counter.
Argument, Two things #1 cool, so

1508
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,760
they just don't ever do it then
like it's like I'm So what I'm

1509
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,000
saying is OK if they think that
it's still best that they get

1510
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,800
the chance to do something
different what the other option

1511
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,560
is just to carry on doing
English and maths and do nothing

1512
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,200
enriching whatsoever.
The second more important point

1513
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,680
to that to me there is that's a
problem presets.

1514
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,320
That's not a problem process if
you're looking at it and going

1515
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,640
oh, it does just it does just
make the sats look pointless,

1516
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,640
doesn't it after because they're
doing a show now and obviously

1517
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,120
everything else feels rubbish.
If they're doing a show.

1518
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,800
Why aren't you doing drama
earlier then?

1519
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,440
Yeah, incorporate drama earlier.
Search is part of the curriculum

1520
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,960
cultural.
It's a before problem.

1521
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,920
It's it's the the answer isn't
to look at it and go well, we

1522
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,680
can't do it then.
We can't do it then, because

1523
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,440
once sats over God, they're
going to go crazy.

1524
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,800
Just implement stuff like that's
more wide and enriching earlier.

1525
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:43,360
True.
Do you know?

1526
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,840
I think the answer is here.
Hybrid approach.

1527
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,440
Genuinely I think.
I actually think we should do

1528
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,800
maths and English.
Yeah, sorry.

1529
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,280
I didn't know you were saying
because God we should do master

1530
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,960
English or not.
I I think you should carry on

1531
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,920
yeah, I'm talking specifically
about they become less important

1532
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,640
yeah.
I think the way to the way the

1533
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,840
way to approach that is
normalise doing other stuff like

1534
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,200
shows throughout school.
I'm.

1535
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,840
Gonna make this question hard
and you can't ramble on this

1536
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,600
one.
You just have to make a

1537
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:06,480
decision.
Ramble.

1538
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,480
You can't ramble.
You know you can't.

1539
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,680
You can't actually, you've kind
of done your.

1540
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,880
Justification.
Just keep bloody to know.

1541
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,320
Because you've done your
justification, I think we'd all

1542
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,720
get it.
We know what you we know what

1543
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,800
you think.
So now the option is it is that

1544
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,920
last month of term 6, right?
And you've spent the entire

1545
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,240
month exclusively doing the show
or exclusively doing maths.

1546
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,200
And so if you do the show, there
is there are no maths and

1547
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,920
English lessons genuinely.
Are there other lessons like

1548
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,880
science job?
Fee the odd 1 like you might do

1549
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,960
the odd RE the odd science
lesson every now and then, but

1550
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,880
but 90% of your your lessons are
taken up with this show and

1551
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,000
there's no time for maths and
English.

1552
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,400
Yeah, do the show.
Yeah, cool.

1553
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,680
I'm living.
That's it.

1554
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Yeah, I like that show.
All right, two more.

1555
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,120
Sweet, we're a couple more for
the last few years.

1556
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,480
Yeah, I thought of another one.
Music whilst the children are

1557
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,640
working, but just gentle music
on top.

1558
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,040
Top hits.
Just gentle music in the

1559
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,320
background.
Or silence?

1560
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:51,640
What's your preference?
Silence.

1561
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Yeah, silence.
Cool like that.

1562
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,480
Do you want to explain?
I just want to say some silence.

1563
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,000
So just asking for silence.
Well done.

1564
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,280
Sorry you didn't answer the
question.

1565
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,280
You didn't hear the question,
just telling me what to.

1566
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:04,920
Do.
What's the question?

1567
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,560
You're an idiot.
Right?

1568
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,960
Last 1 then yeah, we'll have to
do loads of admin, right?

1569
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,720
Would you prefer a bit of admin
heavy time before school or do

1570
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,840
you like a bit of admin every
time after school?

1571
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,480
Where do you?
Yeah, before school.

1572
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,360
Before school.
So getting early.

1573
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,080
I would prefer to do stuff
early.

1574
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,840
Yeah, If I'm thinking to myself,
OK.

1575
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,800
Oh, gosh, it just happens to be
that I have like an hour and a

1576
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,880
half of work to do, which has
nothing to do with my delivering

1577
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,600
of teaching.
I would rather do it early.

1578
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,160
Now, do I always manage to get
up early and get in?

1579
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,760
Obviously not.
But I I much rather, I like

1580
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,280
getting into school like 7
sometimes.

1581
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,600
Yeah.
I prefer to get into school at 7

1582
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,080
and leave at 4.
Half four.

1583
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,560
Yeah, more like half four
realistically than to get into

1584
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,120
work at 8 and leave at half
five.

1585
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,000
Yeah.
OK, so I, I, I've always, I used

1586
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,040
to work in Asda, like I said a
few times before when I was

1587
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,680
training, I had shift 6:00 AM
till 12 or till two, 2:00 PM

1588
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,040
Yeah, I always, always preferred
that because you've got a bit of

1589
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,400
day, you can get up.
You know what I mean?

1590
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,960
It just, there's something about
getting up in the morning.

1591
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,360
You can force yourself up.
Yeah.

1592
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,840
And I loved that time in the
evening to just do whatever I

1593
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,200
wanted, whereas the other way
around, it always felt like

1594
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,440
you're waiting for your day to
start.

1595
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,840
Yeah.
And then you get home.

1596
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,440
It's bedtime.
I quite often heard about you,

1597
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,520
but I quite often leave marking.
I'm just including marking in

1598
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,000
this admin time quite often
rather than traditionally doing

1599
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,520
it in the day ready the next
day.

1600
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,520
I quite often leave it till the
morning getting a little bit

1601
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,320
earlier.
Yeah, or, or just I'll make sure

1602
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,000
I've got just not do it ever.
Just make sure I've got that

1603
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,080
time and I'll do it in the
morning.

1604
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,200
And I find I mark quicker when
I'm not, obviously when I'm not

1605
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,320
completely exhausted at the end
of the day, we can do a full

1606
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:39,760
job.
Yeah.

1607
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,120
It's like when you do PPM after
school it's like who's?

1608
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,440
Listening.
Yeah, I know.

1609
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,040
I don't have the energy to like
do training.

1610
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,600
After I think the last thing to
say on that is I flip it and I

1611
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,400
think I've realised this is what
I do within my 10 seconds.

1612
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,760
I think to myself, when do I
prefer my free time?

1613
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,600
So I prefer my free time to be
in the evening rather than in

1614
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,760
the morning.
So then then I shift work around

1615
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,440
it.
There's no time I prefer to do

1616
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,520
work, but there is a definitely
a time I prefer to be like at

1617
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,400
home with a family.
Yeah, that's the.

1618
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,400
Interesting way of looking at.
It so I prefer that in the

1619
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,200
evening.
Therefore, I like working

1620
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,640
earlier because it frees that.
Time.

1621
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,440
Fair enough, I enjoyed that.
I enjoyed that game.

1622
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:14,480
That's good.
It was nice to hear your

1623
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:15,720
thoughts.
I felt like you gave lots of

1624
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,800
good reflections and like good
practise and things as well.

1625
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,640
What can I say, you've not
spoken much.

1626
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,520
So what I'm going to happen now
is at the end, we're going to

1627
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,600
play the Jingle very quickly and
I'm going to do a quick fire.

1628
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Q&A, 5 minutes.
Listen to Q&A.

1629
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,120
So you're going to give your
answers quickly, Hayden, because

1630
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,360
I've spoken for about 40
minutes.

1631
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,400
You're going to get 5 minutes.
At the end, that's fair, that's.

1632
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,320
A good balance.
OK, here we go.

1633
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,680
Hayden.
I'm going to mention the

1634
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,880
username of the people who did
this, so if you hear your

1635
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,760
question, message us.
Let us know what you think of

1636
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,840
Hayden's reply.
First one from who's this

1637
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,640
person?
Missy B Sophie Bartlett.

1638
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:47,800
Never heard of her, don't know
who she is.

1639
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,600
Which subject would you A
completely remove from the

1640
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,040
curriculum?
B Keep but change the content.

1641
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,560
Just twitch it a bit.
C Add to the curriculum.

1642
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,680
So I've got to answer three
things.

1643
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,080
So one, what would you get rid
of on the curriculum right now?

1644
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,240
I think you know what's coming
on modify our languages.

1645
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,120
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Kate languages.

1646
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:09,920
I'm sorry, everyone.
This.

1647
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,920
Is weird.
I can never just say Kate, it's

1648
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:12,880
always Kate.
Languages.

1649
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,960
That's her full name.
B Keep, but change the content.

1650
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,000
I think this could be a lot.
I think this could be a lot.

1651
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,400
Is there something you really
think, oh gosh, this is great,

1652
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,640
but we got to do this
differently?

1653
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,640
I can think of 10.
Nothing.

1654
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,320
Comes to your mind.
It does.

1655
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,680
I'm just, I'm just torn between,
I think history.

1656
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,800
Oh yeah.
What would you change?

1657
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,520
Yeah, Yeah.
I think I would just pick more

1658
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,720
interesting things.
I feel like, I don't know, mate.

1659
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,360
Maybe it's just our school.
Maybe it's other schools.

1660
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,760
Yeah.
I just, I think sometimes we

1661
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,760
just focus on the wrong thing.
We focus on the chronology of

1662
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,880
right.
I just want to do you know what?

1663
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,920
Pick the juiciest ones that the
kids love and have like dress up

1664
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,400
days about them.
I love that I change that's.

1665
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,920
A great answer that's like what
you're actually doing.

1666
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,800
That's like the intricate.
Part Yeah, like I can make it

1667
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,400
actually fun just quickly.
I don't know what you pick

1668
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,440
because you obviously was
surprised.

1669
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,000
What would you?
Pick oh, writing, oh writing

1670
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,200
immediately English writing.
But like we'd completely from

1671
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,680
the ground up transform why we
write what we do with.

1672
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,120
Writing I wasn't thinking of
that Ave but.

1673
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like
that.

1674
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,560
That would be something to me
because we do it so often and I

1675
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:07,920
think it's so broken and
pointless.

1676
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,240
Fair enough.
And add to the curriculum.

1677
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,640
Just think we don't do it at all
in school.

1678
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,120
Like I I'd love to teach the
kids.

1679
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,320
Honestly, drama, I just don't
think it's as a standalone.

1680
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,960
Like actually make it important.
Actually we do DT, we do no

1681
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,120
drama.
Never do drama.

1682
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,240
That's.
Brilliant, it's great, I love

1683
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,080
that.
Okay, brilliant.

1684
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,280
This is I loved this one.
This is from Beth.

1685
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,120
She's a long time listener.
The slowest Diaries.

1686
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,840
Hello Beth, thank you for your
question and thank you for your

1687
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,040
feedback.
I love getting messages from

1688
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,400
people and I love listening to
your feedback every time.

1689
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,800
What has been your favourite
topic you've taught this

1690
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,440
calendar year?
So in 2024 it covers pretty much

1691
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,160
all of Year 6 curriculum in that
game, in that, yeah, I suppose.

1692
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,480
What's been your favourite?
I love teaching that topic to

1693
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,640
the children.
I think it's a bit.

1694
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,120
You're not going to be like, oh,
World War Two, yeah, World War

1695
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:49,880
2, great.
It's good.

1696
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,080
I know I literally just said we
should revamp history, but it's

1697
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,720
because I'm thinking that's like
the only topic where I'm like, I

1698
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,520
love teaching.
The rest I'm always a bit like,

1699
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,280
yeah.
They always seem so engaged,

1700
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,120
don't they?
So engaged.

1701
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,880
And I don't know about you, but
really, like, really respectful

1702
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:02,920
and thoughtful.
Yeah.

1703
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,760
And yeah.
Is, you know, we're getting

1704
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,600
further and further away from
World War 2, and there's always

1705
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,680
that worry, like it will become
a distant memory that we don't

1706
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,920
think was real anymore.
Yeah.

1707
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,600
But the kids always seem to
approach it with quite.

1708
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,440
I think what I love about it as
well is 1.

1709
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,680
You can get some really good art
out of it.

1710
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,480
We always do some really lovely
art and we do like that classic

1711
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,760
one with like the spotlights
going into the sky and the Blitz

1712
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,240
and they do such cool things
with that and the trips.

1713
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,160
But honestly, anywhere in
England, there's going to be

1714
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,280
somewhere there's just got
something, well, something to do

1715
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:28,960
with World War 2.
You can go there as an old

1716
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,440
airfield or something.
Ramsgate tunnels around us.

1717
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,320
Great.
So true.

1718
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:34,200
OK, cool.
Next one.

1719
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,360
This is the one I alluded to
earlier.

1720
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,440
This is from Joe BGL.
Has anyone from your school,

1721
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,560
deputy head assistant head SLT
ever complained about your

1722
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,120
podcast?
Oh.

1723
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,320
I saw it.
I was like, oh.

1724
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,240
I don't think so.
Not that we know of.

1725
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,240
Not.
That we know of.

1726
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,440
Certainly not my face.
Maybe behind me back.

1727
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,280
Do you?
Think they have, do you think

1728
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,320
they have?
I think we actually, you know

1729
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,400
what we've got a good
relationship with pretty much we

1730
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,520
can talk.
I can talk to anyone in our

1731
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,680
school.
But I do think there's probably

1732
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,320
some things that people might
think, oh, can you say that or?

1733
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,240
Yeah, I reckon I OK, I'm going
to refine.

1734
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,480
I'm changing your question
because the answer is no, I

1735
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,240
don't think so.
But do I, Do I think we've done

1736
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,560
episodes that are a bit on the
line and maybe probably

1737
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,360
shouldn't be done and SLT could
be unhappy with?

1738
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,360
Yes, I think so.
I think there have been a few

1739
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,920
episodes where I'm like, we're a
little bit closer to the line

1740
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,720
here, but.
Yeah, OK.

1741
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,120
This one's from Lizzie.
Not a question, but just wanted

1742
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,480
to say keep up the great work.
I love your pod and your

1743
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,960
friendship.
Thank you.

1744
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,000
I just wanted to get that
friendship.

1745
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,400
Big word but.
Friendship.

1746
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,560
I don't know if I'd say
friendship, I would say.

1747
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Romance.
Oh, oh, sorry, I went.

1748
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,400
I went higher you, I do you.
Know what I say to people when

1749
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,880
they ask me what's your
relationship with Hayden?

1750
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,680
I say I know him.
That's funny because I say I

1751
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,520
know of him so.
That's such a powerful word,

1752
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,800
isn't it?
I know of him.

1753
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:00,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

1754
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,200
I've never spoken to him when I
don't know who you are.

1755
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,520
OK.
Could you imagine teaching in a

1756
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:11,400
secondary school or abroad?
Secondary school, absolutely

1757
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:12,960
not.
Really, absolutely not.

1758
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,400
There's just no chance I'd ever
do that.

1759
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,880
And if I, if I do, like I'm a
whole new person.

1760
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,520
That's just so beyond me.
No way abroad.

1761
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,360
Honestly, I kind of wish I did
it.

1762
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:23,760
Yeah.
Like it's one of those.

1763
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,560
It's one of my regrets because I
did apply in my second year of

1764
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:27,680
teaching.
I really really tried to.

1765
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,040
Go.
You just didn't have enough

1766
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,280
experience at one point you
looked into it and you're like

1767
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,080
most of them need 2 years
experience and you just weren't

1768
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,240
quite there.
No, I got quite far in the

1769
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,160
application process.
I applied to go work in the

1770
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Emirates.
Mate, I wish you did.

1771
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,720
Imagine you'd be sat around, no
business, no podcast, probably

1772
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,120
just a bump.
You'd be doing nothing,

1773
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,640
absolutely nothing.
Quit teaching one year after I

1774
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,280
leave.
No, I went to applying it and I

1775
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,520
got quite far in it in the
application process.

1776
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:51,920
And then you went in Zoom and
they were like God.

1777
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,400
Yeah, I had to did the whole
Zoom line and you know what?

1778
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,600
I got denied at the last stage
because my undergraduate degree,

1779
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,800
because I did PGCE.
I remember this, remember this.

1780
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,160
They didn't, they didn't value
it all.

1781
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,640
They said your undergraduate
isn't in a subject that we that

1782
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,480
you teach in primary school.
They said if you did it in

1783
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,760
geography of history or maths.
I mean this.

1784
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,120
Is why you wanted drama to be on
the cricket.

1785
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,920
Yeah, yeah, there's.
A bit of bloody hammer ever

1786
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,480
media.
Media, but at this point, the

1787
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,800
mental thing was I had I had AI
just finished my master's in

1788
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,400
education and and they, they
were like, that doesn't matter.

1789
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,640
What matters is what your
undergrad was in because it's

1790
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,280
not in a subject you teach.
And I was like, does it?

1791
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,400
Can it not be overridden by the
master's net?

1792
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,920
I know how to teach really well.
And the fact you've talked for

1793
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,240
two years, talked.
For two years and now to teach.

1794
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,440
I've got a PGC and a master's
and no so do you.

1795
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,280
Know what I think was happening?
They're being polite.

1796
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,960
They were looking for a way out.
What was his undergraduate?

1797
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,960
Is it God did he do?
What are these GCSE's in?

1798
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,600
Find out.
Find something he did that was

1799
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,200
pointless.
Yeah, literally.

1800
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,120
So yes, I would love to teach
abroad.

1801
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,640
I think it's a great idea.
Two quick questions left.

1802
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,920
This is a really quick one.
Very serious AG Easton What's

1803
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,560
the best way of redistributing
hair from one person to another?

1804
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,800
Well, actually, I've got a very
cunning plan for this.

1805
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,240
So Dylan, could you pop?
You see that razor behind you?

1806
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,400
Could you just grab that for me?
Get some PVA glue.

1807
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,920
It dries clear.
All primary school teachers know

1808
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,440
that it dries clear.
Whack it on the top.

1809
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,240
Bob's your uncle.
Last question from Hale .4, how

1810
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,120
can you tell?
I want you to try and be really

1811
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,920
concise here.
OK I'll try try and give me

1812
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,480
bullet points to finish off.
How can you tell if the school

1813
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,280
you're applying to is toxic?
Are there any ways to check

1814
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,440
teacher retention?
Any red flags that pop up?

1815
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,040
How can how can you tell at that
.0?

1816
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,040
Gosh I wouldn't actually want to
work here.

1817
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,120
What are you looking for?
How many ECTS there are?

1818
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,240
If there's a huge proportion of
ECTS, I think that's a red flag.

1819
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,400
Seriously, staff turnover.
If you've got any way to find

1820
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,840
out how many staff quit per year
roughly on average, if it's

1821
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,560
often or not.
How would you do that?

1822
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,480
Would you go on the website?
If you get a chance, if you get

1823
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,640
a chance to ask anyone there and
just say Oh well, you know it

1824
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,560
was just often over like red
flag.

1825
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,520
If it's quite high, red flag.
Honestly, just the attitude.

1826
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,000
Listen really carefully to the
people walking you around.

1827
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,440
If it's their teacher, just just
observe how they talk to other

1828
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,640
staff, how they go in the room.
If they walk into a room and

1829
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,480
don't even acknowledge a
teacher, just walk in.

1830
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,760
Expect them just to ignore you.
That's just the way they

1831
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,080
interact with people.
Could give you a red flag

1832
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,520
attendance of kids if you have
any any idea whether they're

1833
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,360
going to school or not.
If they hate to be in that

1834
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,160
school, don't know, there's a
few things.

1835
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,000
Yeah, it's tricky because I, I
think of schools before where

1836
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,840
I've spoken about this, the
children get the most

1837
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,880
unbelievably good deal ever.
An unbelievable experience in

1838
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:25,960
school.
It's amazing.

1839
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,359
Yeah.
But the staff are treated

1840
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,240
awfully and, and like the
retention is awful and, and

1841
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,560
there's a turnover and stuff.
So there's sometimes there's a

1842
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,399
bit of a, a chasm between those
two things.

1843
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,880
It's hard to always draw a line.
But yeah, I know in general

1844
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,439
exactly that toxic school.
It's it's hard to find and a lot

1845
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,040
of people say something about a
gut instinct and it and it

1846
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,279
sounds a bit lame because, you
know, we're here very we try and

1847
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,279
get to the root of stuff and
talk about it, isn't it?

1848
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,319
Sometimes it is a gut instinct
and you know, when you walked in

1849
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,640
and you saw the office stuff
like just do you know what you

1850
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,800
can do walking around a school?
You can just get vibes from

1851
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:56,359
teachers.
Yeah.

1852
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,760
Honestly, just just just see how
they react.

1853
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,720
Like you said, when the head
teacher walks in, what they do,

1854
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,240
look at what the teacher does as
well.

1855
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,640
Like is the teacher recoiling
or, you know, sat up?

1856
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,000
So.
They get louder.

1857
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,720
I feel that's the thing.
When teachers are nervous about

1858
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:08,760
something in the room, they get
louder.

1859
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,720
Yeah, louder.
I'm going to make the point.

1860
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,680
I've got a real statement,
statement, statement, statement.

1861
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,520
You can you can just add a
little vibes you can get.

1862
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,920
But yeah, get get as much
insider information as possible

1863
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,439
as what I'd say.
If it's a local school, the

1864
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,600
chances are you've got some kind
of link to people around.

1865
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,279
If you're earlier on in your
career, that's harder.

1866
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:24,800
I understand that.
But you know what, if you're

1867
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,760
early on in your career, you can
just go into a school and if it

1868
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,520
is toxic, you can just leave
quite quickly.

1869
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,200
I left my first school after two
years.

1870
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,319
I'm doing absolutely fine.
So yeah, you can't always get

1871
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:36,840
it.
And there are ways out, but

1872
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,800
there is that guy instinct.
There's stuff to look for.

1873
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,720
Yeah, definitely.
Well, thank you for your

1874
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:41,920
question.
Sorry we didn't get through all

1875
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,240
of them.
We'll do it again in the future.

1876
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,279
But we appreciate you guys, the
listeners.

1877
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,960
Oh, my gosh.
I can't really say anything

1878
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,399
other than what we always say.
I appreciate you more probably

1879
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:52,640
than Dylan, if anything, if
anything, really.

1880
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:53,840
But no, I love it.
I love it.

1881
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,800
I love talking to you guys.
I love hearing teach stories.

1882
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,480
I love hearing honestly, just
when you're just being nice,

1883
01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:59,880
it's really lovely.
Appreciate it.

1884
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,680
I think it's time, Dylan to say.
Oh yeah, in unison.

1885
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,280
OK, Merry Christmas time,
everyone.

1886
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,160
All of the and.
Good new new.

1887
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,880
Have a good time.
Happy New Year, bye.