Ep 59: Should Teachers Be Banned From Displaying Tattoos In The Classroom?

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach, Sleep, Repeat.
My name is Dedham.

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And my name is Hayden, and it's
a special occasion today, isn't

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it?
Why?

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Because we're celebrating Saint
Patrick's Day just a month ago.

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OK everyone, who's not watching
because we are back on video

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this week, but the hiatus last
week we'll talk about in a

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second, but we are both worrying
the greenest of green tops, but

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you've got something extra on.
Yours.

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I got a bit of baby dribble on
mine and it's rivers birthday

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today.
You gonna say this, Rivers, baby

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drivers?
Every month in your first year,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's five months old.

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Today, yeah.
Well, actually my 27 week old

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would take to differ.
Anyway, not interested.

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So how are you mate?
You alright?

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I'm good.
Thank you how you did.

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I'm really good.
Excellent.

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Can I tell you a funny story
from this week?

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Straight up.
Come on, evolves.

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Me about you.
Yeah, of course.

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If you have any stories that
aren't about me, are you just

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why are you so obsessed?
With my life as you?

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Yeah, thought so.
As you will know if you listen

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to our podcast for a while, we
have a lot of banter at school

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between us and our.
Classes and hate that word and I

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really hate it.
I we had a lot of banter.

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As I soon as you say we have
banter it's like you've got

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none.
You soon as you have to say it.

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Shut up talking about anyway.
So at school, as always, if I'm

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on duty, I know I'm gonna get
harassed by a bunch of year four

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children who will.
Inevitably.

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There's something that happened
that week where you've just

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rinsed me that the other day, by
the way, as well.

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I was just walking to my class
and a bunch of kids like Mr.

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David, and they're all waving
little pictures of my head.

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I'm above that then from the
other week and I was like.

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We had a visitor in school and
one of the kids was introduced.

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They got back on the subway
introducing themselves.

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I'll talk about more about this
in a minute.

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And it got to this child.
And he didn't introduce himself.

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He just went.
I've got a picture of Mr

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Stevens.
Stranger cats.

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Yeah.
Anyway, So yeah, I'm outside

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kids, kids coming out to me and
generally being annoying.

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And and I was like, well, hang
on, hang on, hang on.

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You know, they're throwing all
these things at me.

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And I said it's Mr. Price surely
told you, right?

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Like what?
What was he?

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He probably hasn't actually.
Quite.

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He's quite sensitive about this
anyway.

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And I was acting up, you know,
And I just said, do you know who

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do you know when he was younger,
you know, like Tarzan and found

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the jungle was raised by wolves
and all that stuff, whatever it

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is.
Have you watched Tarzan?

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Famously raised by apes.
Ohh, what's the ones raised by?

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You doing Mogli?
Mogli.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jungle Book.

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That's the one.
Wolves under something in the

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Jungle.
George when George the Jungle.

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Swings through the trees.
Raised face. 1000 Raised by

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parents, he was He just repeats
what you say.

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Classic Tarzan, anyway.
George of the Jungle raised by

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wolves.
And I said to them, you know,

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you didn't.
Do you know Mr. Price was raised

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by like, what?
No, I was like, he's raised by

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onions.
They're like, what?

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I was like, yeah, he's raised by
a family of onions and they were

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like, what?
That's mad.

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And they were just going mental
about this idea that you were

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raised by onions.
Yeah.

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I mean notice people cry when
they're around him.

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He's he was raised by onions
when you're younger.

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And then one of them threw it
back at me perfectly.

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And I was like, you know,
they're like, oh, that's weird

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cause your brothers.
So you were as well then?

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Yeah.
Ohh do I want to get rid of the

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you know the the other lie that
we've built with brothers that

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was just funny.
You're kid on your other your

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year fours are mad.
Yeah, I love them.

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I love them so much like and
when people cover them, there's

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a cover supervisor in year four,
obviously.

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And whenever she covers the
manner, she always says to me, I

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love your class because they
they must be such a joy to cover

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because they're so funny and
nice and lovely and I think

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we've got a really good
relationship.

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And I I love classes like that
have something about them.

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I really, really like that.
Can I just say welcome as well

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to all the new listeners we had.
We had a big spike and listeners

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last week after our Missus Smith
episode.

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Good job.
Did a story based on the whole,

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you know, story of me and you
giving banter.

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To all the judgement.
Well, now you can go back and

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find out a bit more about our
banter that Dylan loves.

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I really liked the episode of
Missus Smith.

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She was great.
She was, she was lovely.

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And yeah, welcome.
If you're a listener on the back

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of that.
And I, it's obviously linked,

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I'm sure, but I've never
actually checked the charts of

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the podcast before.
And you were talking about the

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charts.
I think you were talking to

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someone else.
I can't remember.

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Who I talked to Martin Malone,
who had on before he mentioned

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the the charts.
And I thought, oh, I've never,

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actually.
Looked at him and Poppy.

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Poppy.
Gibson, her name is.

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They've started to teach cost as
well.

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He's doing bits.
Obviously.

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He was on our show.
He's a.

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He's called Not Another, Not
Another.

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Teacher.
Yeah.

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Not teach out, Yeah.
I just thought, it's funny

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because there's a lot of each
podcast and doing it, Yeah.

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But yeah, you were talking about
the charts and as I said on the

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reel, I I posted it saying we
don't have iPhones.

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So like I'm I'm out of the loop
of the Apple charts anyway and I

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just thought I'd check I've got
an iPad and we were we were

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chatting 32 in education.
Amazing like in the UK and that

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is nuts to me.
Like and and I actually looked

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you can see where what your peak
chart was and we peaked at 26.

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That's amazing.
And and and down to you guys

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listening and sharing.
And it's down to me good content

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that gives the credit to them.
No.

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Is that you guys don't listen to
this guy.

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So thanks for listening and if
you haven't already, really,

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really helps us if you just do
leave a review and I say all the

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time, but I I can't explain
special apple.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, our Apple reviews are low,

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man, Yeah.
Right, because we've been

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pushing Spotify and doing links
to Spotify all the time.

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Apple, actually, I think it's
overtaking Spotify listeners,

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and you can't even watch on
Apple.

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So if you're an Apple, all these
jokes to make about video just

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go over your head and it's not
even on.

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They're not watching.
No, it's only on Spotify you

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can.
Watch didn't just presume, that

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went to that.
Platform and it's definitely

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your your fault that we're doing
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We don't know how the gold which
we charted, we were 26.

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We're still in the top 100.
So guys, the more we can share.

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If you enjoy the podcast, we
would absolutely love that.

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And another milestone.
Drossos, we're talking ourselves

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up a little bit on then.
Anyone who listens to us in the

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past knows I think one of our
first ever episodes and one of

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our most popular episodes by the
way, in that it's in the top ten

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of our episodes in terms of
plays is how tutoring helped us

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go part time.
So anyway, it doesn't know.

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Hayden and I work part time in
school Monday to Wednesday and

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we were able to do that because
when we were working full time

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and young and wanting to put
1000 hours a week in something

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we also built a tutoring
business on the side which

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allowed us then to go part time
because we replaced our our

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money basically.
And and you know we had a whole

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discussion.
Should we just go full time into

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that?
It's a tough one because we love

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teaching, there's benefits
etcetera, but we can talk about

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it another time.
The point being though we have a

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tutoring business and part of
that tutoring business is we

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make content online on YouTube
that's free and we've been doing

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a big sat to push at the minute.
We tend to split our year

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between 11 plus preparation and
Sats preparation because they're

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kind of six months apart at the
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Big push for Sats and we have
gone past 10,000 subscribe on

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YouTube, which is insane to us.
I know to a lot of people

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listening, maybe you think,
well, I watched someone who's

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got millions, OK, I know.
But you know for us 10,000, that

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first 10. 1000 is tough and we
were just doing it for fun

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really.
We've always just been doing it

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for fun.
We've never really had a name

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with it, so it's quite cool.
And it does make us money now

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and I think very quickly.
I'm just wondering, people out

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there would be interested
because I certainly used to be

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very interested in, you know
what, what does it actually

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translate to?
Because I was having a

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conversation with my family just
talking about it.

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I don't really talk about
business with people other than

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you unless unless they bring up
an interesting one to ask.

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I don't want to be that guy
who's just like, oh, by the way,

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this business, this is happening
on that.

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So I don't want to be that
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But they were asking about it
and they they were shocked.

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We even made money from YouTube.
They didn't even think that I

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was a thing.
She was so good for making mad

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money.
It's got a very good system.

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Yeah, I know.
So very briefly, the ADD system

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is essentially the of the 100%
of money that comes in from

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people paying to place ads on
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YouTube keeps 45% and the
creators keep 55%.

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I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.

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So that's the breakdown.
So whatever we make, you can

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roughly double and Youtubes make
taking that cut as well.

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Yeah, sure.
But you know our channel, so

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we've got 10,000 Subs, we
recently went passed 1,000,000

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views total on our channel,
which was another great

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milestone to go past.
But we get in at the minute,

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we're getting about 100 to
120,000 views a month.

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OK.
So that translates to £450.

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So you know, we we are currently
making just genuinely passively

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I suppose at this point we're
still making content but most of

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the money is coming from old
videos where people are watching

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again 4 to 500 LB and that's
that's just on 120,000 views a

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month and.
A tiny tiny.

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Tiny Channel and you just think
of all those people out there

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like Mr Beast who puts a video
out and within a day has 20

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million.
Yeah, the amount of money there

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is to make on YouTube, it is
nuts.

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So when the kids at school.
So you want to be Youtubers?

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Not for us to be like no, don't.
When we've got 200 videos on our

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channel and we're like, no,
don't do that.

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It's a waste of.
Time.

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I'll tell you what, they're fun.
They do think that we're

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celebrities.
Don't know.

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It's funny, funny.
So funny, you replied to a

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comment on YouTube the other day
and just someone and they're

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like, I never thought you would
reply and they were like, if we

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we're massive.
I'm just a geezer.

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I probably sat on the toilet.
Have I ever told the story of

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this podcast?
Probably.

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I forget everything of when when
I was on a residential trip if I

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told.
You this story again?

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I was wondering what had, yeah,
I hope it's new.

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So for new listeners, I was on a
residential trip last year or

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the year before with the With
the Year Sixes, the classic

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overnight stay.
And well, the place I was at was

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obviously filled with kids.
If you've been a residential,

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you know, it's just, it's just
carnage.

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There's thousands of kids from
different schools and I was just

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waiting around with my class.
We wait for our next activity

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and some some random kid from
another school came up to me and

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I felt so good and just and just
was like, oh are you are you

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that guy from from TD Tutoring
YouTube channel.

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And I was like, yeah, I am.
He was like, oh, cool, watch

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your videos.
They're really helpful.

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Thanks.
And my old class were there and

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they were just like, gob
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They were like, Oh my God, I
didn't realise we were in the

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presence of a insanely famous
man.

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Yeah, had 7 views that video.
Yeah, yeah.

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So that was kind of cool.
But now YouTube's.

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Good.
That is awesome.

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That is awesome.
You wanted to you wanted to

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mention about river.
I've already said that, no.

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Blank everything you say about
her, because I don't.

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Care that I'm not editing, that
we did a whole you literally

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came back with my son is weeks
old.

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What's wrong with you?
I just hear something about your

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child.
I just.

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Switch.
Unbelievable.

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And that is our life guys.
Anyway, you talk about your week

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mate, because you know what
you've done.

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You've had a theatre group in
your.

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I like that little subtle.
Anyone who's not watching video,

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little subtle.
Turn to the screen.

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Yeah, we.
Just have a look at the notes

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that you.
Got I wanted to chat about this

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so I'm hoping this leads into it
of conversation as well because

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my favourite podcasts are where
we do just kind of ad Lib this

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stuff.
We are gonna talk later about

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professionalism.
Obviously if you click this, the

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title is about being
professional as a teacher and

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what's acceptable.
Right.

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Just I love the idea that you
gave the impression that we

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don't always add a little bit.
We ever do any more than this

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Microsoft Word document of
bullet.

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Points Can't See in front of us
now is a Word document that I

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promise you, is less than 30
words long, right?

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5 minutes before we record every
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Depression now.
I really thought through

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everywhere.
Really.

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No, we just we think of a theme
and we just chat rubbish.

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But got something out of it.
Actually, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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At this live.
But didn't you wanna play the

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game with?
I've added the.

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Game OK, so you listen to the
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We got little games to play.
So kick theatre is the name of a

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company who are very are local
to us, going to lots of schools.

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And this guy called Ian comes
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And Ian, someone that I've known
and you've known since we

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started.
He's been every school.

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Every single school we've been
out and he always does this

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theatre kind of like workshop
where the children come in.

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And the way it works is that he
will tailor his workshop to what

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topic you want to do and he'll
also tailor his workshop based

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on where you are in that topic.
So if at the start of the topic

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of Egyptians, which we are for
example, he came in and did a

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like an hour almost like it was
honestly I can master class in

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just giving the children loads
of facts to get them started and

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and find out what they already
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And.
But at the same time, which I

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think is lacking in our
curriculum massively is the

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amount of teamwork,
communication, you know problem

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solving which was going on live
during this drama was

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unbelievable.
And I just wanted to basically

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shout him out and say he is a
master of what he does.

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And this is another example of
how enrichment so good for the

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kids, because I I swear to you,
we get 32 kids in the hall.

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He, he always gets them to sit
in a circle at the start and all

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he's got is just a symbol that
he hits.

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And when he hits it, they could
sit down, right?

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That is it.
And he just talks about using

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space, using imagination and he
takes these kids on a journey.

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And if I think back about it, if
I think about this, what the

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children went through, I vividly
remember them building a pyramid

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and I vividly remember them
mummifying someone.

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None of this actually happened
though, and there was no props.

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There was no, like, toilet roll
to mummify.

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There was no blocks to build
imagination.

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Everything was imagination.
Everything was communication.

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He gave up roles, and in the
meantime, he's not got a script.

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He's walking around the room
giving facts about ancient

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Egypt, quizzing the children,
asking him he knows everything

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about it because he just has
done it so often that he's just

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an expert now.
It's funny because in in my

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class we use our imagination as
well it it, it works in it

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because we imagine that we've
got glue, we pretend to stick in

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our sheets, we imagine we've got
new pens and we, you know, we

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pretend our pencils or pens.
Only it doesn't really hold up

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the book.
Scrutiny happened.

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Welcome to the land of.
Amazon we imagine.

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We've got new books as well we
haven't got.

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We imagine this book.
Really.

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In fact, me and you aren't
teachers.

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We just imagine that teachers
and this guy 10 hours a day in a

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room pretending to teach.
But no, I thought it was.

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I thought it was great.
And I think the best thing about

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it was as a teacher, he led it.
So as their teacher I could sit

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back and I was.
I was taking pictures of them

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acting and their freeze frames
and stuff like that.

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But I could just sit back and
just watch how they interact

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with each other without trying
to think, oh gosh, I've got to

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get through this lesson.
I've gotta make sure they write

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this down.
And actually then I've got to

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prove that they know something
because they couldn't possibly

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know anything unless they write
at the end of the lesson.

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They answer to the question I've
been learning about no.

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Tell you what, in that hour, I
promise you they learned more in

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that hour than they have learned
in any hour slot of any topic.

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Lesson.
Really.

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Yeah, definitely.
Learn about what?

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Though that the Egyptians and
and and and about, yeah problem

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solving and about communication
and about skills of.

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Work and why do you think that
is then?

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Because you obviously in your
hour sessions of doing different

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more just drill, engage, engage
them.

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Do you think that's I?
Think engagement is huge and I

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think doing is better than
thinking and you know, no matter

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what.
Everyone.

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For most children.
For most children.

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Yeah.
And and I think obviously you

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need a mixture but what I'm
saying is as the teacher

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stepping back maybe pure
Egyptian knowledge.

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It was not as much maybe yeah
cause an hour of me just telling

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them facts but there'll be some
children who absolutely picked

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up way more in that and and
those children are the ones who

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will get lost in the classroom
in the traditional sense And

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we're going to talk a lot about
modernising teaching and this is

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one way a different way I
suppose teaching needs to be

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modernised is just less Victoria
and less stand back less

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teacher.
The fact fact fact it's such a

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fact driven curriculum at the
minute where you know OK this

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lesson we're going to learn all
about Tutankhamun which could be

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so interesting.
You could talk about Lord

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Donovan I think his name is who
went you know funded the

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expedition from to go and find
him and you could talk about his

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reign and how he we don't know
how he died but all these

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theories that are based on
historical understanding and and

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what we excavated and what we
found and how we can interpret

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sources like that's an amazing
conversation.

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You have these kids, but I think
the way you do it so important.

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And I think you have to have a
mixture of different ways of

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doing stuff, and I don't believe
in kinesthetic learners.

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And because that's been debunked
a million times, everyone learns

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in all ways.
But I do.

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Believe in.
Learning certain things in

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different ways not just.
Yeah here is the fact learn it

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in your brain.
Yeah.

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And actually just having a funny
way they were they were member

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it because I remember making a
pyramid out of their body

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completely that will help them
remember the fact that was tied

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to that like that's that someone
isn't it that's different to

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absolutely the whole
kinesthetic.

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What was that used to be
kinesthetic auditory and.

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Visual like, yeah, you had to
each.

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And the point of that was each
child was labelled with it,

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Yeah.
And it's like you're a

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kinesthetic learner and it was
like you couldn't possibly learn

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in a different way.
It's like you're just boxing

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people.
It's just it's way more complex

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than that.
Doesn't work.

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It doesn't mean.
Anything.

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And I have this this example of
Now what we're saying is

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definitely true because it
happened to me, because I still

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remember in primary school Roman
Day where we all wore togas,

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which was really cool anyway,
and we just took a like a

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pillowcase.
And I had a rope around me

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because they used to like tie
things around them obviously.

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And the person running it got me
and this other girl up to the

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front who also had a rope around
her.

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And he said, I remember him
vividly saying to me, now you've

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been chosen because they're not.
You've tied around you

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represents a knot that would
have been tied if people got

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married.
So me and her got married.

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And now I remember, you know, I
remember that was funny.

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And I'm trusting that he knew he
was talking about because I I

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remember that.
I hope that's true.

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But the point being, you know,
with quality input.

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From an embarrassing.
Yeah, maybe.

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But from quality input from
professionals and you know, he's

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an actor, he is an actor, Ian,
and and he talks about space and

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stuff.
I was just fantastic and I just

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basically wanted to put out
there and like if we didn't know

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already, these things are
worthwhile, There's any sort out

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there.
We spend money.

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This is what you should spend.
On I love the idea of all the

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adults around them and be like,
wow, it turns out everyone's a

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kinesthetic learner in here.
No, no, they're just engaged.

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They're not engaged.
When you sit them down for an

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hour and a half.
Yeah, and get as many facts out

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as you can at them.
Most kids find that really

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boring.
And I am worried that's where

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the crumbs going.
It's sort of already gone.

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Like, I am worried that we've
just gone way too far down the

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rabbit hole of, you know, the
quantity of facts is more

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important than the engagement
and enjoyment of the learning

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process.
Crazy, just.

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We've said it before, but you
know, so I won't go on about it.

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But no, you're right though it's
worth saying, because I think

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that the act of learning has so
many more benefits than

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remembering a fact.
Yeah, 100% because do they do?

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Does anyone genuinely, is there
a single person in the world?

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Maybe there is who actually
needs to know the amount of

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facts about the beast from the
chase?

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Things from the Chase?
You one who wants, but

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realistically, is there any?
Do you?

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Does anyone need to know?
The Sinner man from the Chase.

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I give up the Egypt like the VIX
option.

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The vixen from the chase.
She needs to.

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Know this stuff.
Apart from everyone from the

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chase and you from your
millionaire, is there anyone who

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needs to know ancient Egyptian
facts?

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Really.
Needs a history teacher.

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They can impart the same.
Yeah, you know, yeah, isn't that

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so funny?
It's like a self fulfilling

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prophecy isn't it?
When you're like if you're an

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expat, something useless, yeah,
it is like a self fulfilling

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thing of like well you need to
know this because you might be a

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teacher one day you might be me
telling someone else.

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That's our reason to know it.
We just cancel the whole line.

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Why don't you come build a
house?

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Yeah.
It's different isn't it Because

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kids will say to me in like a
maths, you know, they'll say why

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do we need to know this And I I
think my, I don't know about

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you.
I'm gonna ask you right now.

454
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My response I think is different
in that subject to when it's

455
00:18:36,030 --> 00:18:38,560
when it's in a history and it's
like why do we need to know this

456
00:18:38,610 --> 00:18:40,130
fact.
What would you say to like?

457
00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:42,420
Yeah, same question into in
maths or history.

458
00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:45,380
I think, I think it's more
useful to take away the subjects

459
00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:48,390
in that point and look at what
they're learning and what

460
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,290
they're doing.
So what you're basically saying

461
00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:53,900
there is a difference between a
problem solving process and

462
00:18:53,910 --> 00:18:57,770
knowing a fact.
So I I think I I genuinely even

463
00:18:57,780 --> 00:18:59,760
if we were to take maths now and
you're saying, well in maths, I

464
00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:00,880
would always answer it
differently.

465
00:19:00,890 --> 00:19:03,480
Well actually in in maths if
they asked me why do I need to

466
00:19:03,490 --> 00:19:06,900
know how many sides a nonagon
has, I I would probably say to

467
00:19:06,910 --> 00:19:09,480
them you don't really like.
Like that would be my point

468
00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:11,900
like.
You unless you are the best and

469
00:19:11,910 --> 00:19:15,220
then the question comes up.
Yeah, you do need to know.

470
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,160
But then with history, on the
flip side, if we were learning

471
00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:21,630
how to interpret a source and
its validity and how much we can

472
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,200
trust, yeah, I I would then say
no, no, this is a skill that's

473
00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:27,260
really useful because when
you're old you have to interpret

474
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:28,950
the news and where that's come
from.

475
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,650
So I think in general maths is
more of a problem solving

476
00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:35,830
process.
So in general you can say, OK,

477
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,830
that's useful because ex and in
general histories become this

478
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,320
fact, fact, fact.
And in general you can say

479
00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:43,590
that's a waste of time.
But I think what good teaching

480
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,890
does is in history, you do a lot
more of the strands of the

481
00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:51,190
skills I think of, of how to
interpret sources, how to

482
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,730
understand civilization, how to
understand the.

483
00:19:53,780 --> 00:19:57,510
The, you know, sequence of
events and the impact it has on

484
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,530
society, those kind of.
Exactly cause and effect and

485
00:19:59,540 --> 00:20:00,700
things.
Like and how you can relate that

486
00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:02,670
to now like that.
I love those kind of history

487
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,200
lessons when you you put it back
to.

488
00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:07,410
We're learning about this
because we can now use that lens

489
00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:09,330
to like, look our society.
Now, and that's where history

490
00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:10,780
is.
History always, there's the same

491
00:20:10,790 --> 00:20:12,960
history always repeats itself.
So if you're doing a history

492
00:20:12,970 --> 00:20:15,930
lesson, I think you have to go
in with the mindset of it's

493
00:20:15,940 --> 00:20:19,950
teaching the children actually
how humans interact and behave.

494
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,870
That is what history is.
And I I did a history degree.

495
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,350
And yeah, I forgot.
I know it is a bit of history.

496
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,810
But this is a good point now
because people always say to me

497
00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:33,250
with my history degree there,
ohh alright then who was the

498
00:20:33,260 --> 00:20:37,050
Chinese emperor in 2000 BC?
I'm like, I don't know, like a

499
00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:38,460
history degree isn't just me
learning.

500
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:40,430
All of the history.
I don't just know all of the

501
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,780
facts, but what we did learn
about the very first like module

502
00:20:43,790 --> 00:20:47,430
we did when we did the history
degree was called historiography

503
00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:49,970
and it was the history of
history.

504
00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,450
And the whole point was like
over time, how, you know,

505
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,290
history has developed from it's
still like got bias and it's

506
00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:59,570
still it's understanding that
bias and who wrote it.

507
00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:02,950
But it it it's like over the
times how written history was

508
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,210
used to morph people's opinions
of what happened.

509
00:21:05,260 --> 00:21:07,230
You know, history is written by
the winners kind of thing.

510
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,750
Of course, if you think about
the, you know, the ancient

511
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,290
Greeks who quashed loads of
different revolts and things,

512
00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:15,730
the people revolting were always
painted as Barbarians.

513
00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:17,930
You know, they're Barbarians.
Like they didn't have a culture.

514
00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:20,490
You know, they were these, they
did child sacrifice and stuff

515
00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:22,150
like that.
You know, well, that's written

516
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,280
by the Greeks.
So can we actually fully trust

517
00:21:24,290 --> 00:21:25,470
that?
Do we actually have any history

518
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,440
from the people themselves?
Because it could be very

519
00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:30,100
different.
And I think that skill is

520
00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:33,520
something in a primary school
you'd strip back massively, but

521
00:21:33,530 --> 00:21:36,530
it has to be in a fun learning
environment where they're

522
00:21:36,540 --> 00:21:40,000
learning things that are true
but in the context of a wider

523
00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:43,220
skill set.
Yeah, yeah, I I like how I went

524
00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:46,040
backfired is the wrong word
about how that line of thinking

525
00:21:46,050 --> 00:21:48,640
has almost gone too far and like
modern day, because then you get

526
00:21:48,650 --> 00:21:51,160
kids coming in and saying wow,
yeah, yeah, actually, I don't

527
00:21:51,170 --> 00:21:53,510
trust any sources.
Yeah, maybe the earth is flat

528
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,100
because actually, I didn't write
that textbook back in the

529
00:21:56,110 --> 00:21:58,010
whatever.
Hundreds about the, you know,

530
00:21:58,020 --> 00:22:00,890
discovering the world is round.
Maybe everyone that didn't think

531
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:03,010
that was just quashed and
actually it is flat.

532
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,990
It's like saying the world is
round is also a leap of faith.

533
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,520
OK kids, looks like we're
finishing strong with science.

534
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:13,360
This was No, we're not letting
about Andrew Tate.

535
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:16,070
It's just all the rubbish we.
Don't.

536
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,860
Yeah, we're not in the Matrix.
Yeah, it's just a fact.

537
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:20,920
OK, Can we observe?
I will not get started.

538
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:21,920
No.
So it's a whole holistic

539
00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:22,890
approach.
You're absolutely right.

540
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:24,820
Hilarious.
And I think skills for the

541
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:26,080
afternoon are most important
thing.

542
00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:28,080
And having fun because they're
8.

543
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:31,760
Yeah, 100% said it before
primary schools, in my opinion,

544
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:34,390
it has no job other than to get
kids to enjoy subjects.

545
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,240
That is it.
I think that is the absolute

546
00:22:36,250 --> 00:22:38,490
only point of it.
And if and if whatever you're

547
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,580
doing, if there's a better way
of getting it to just do that

548
00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:42,570
one.
Because I just want them to

549
00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:44,920
leave school enjoying it.
I don't need an 8 year old,

550
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:46,710
right?
So I've got a quick story based

551
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,070
on based on this.
OK, so before we went into

552
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,580
before and after we had our
theatre session we had like 20

553
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:56,790
minutes either side.
So beforehand I just showed them

554
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,010
like I think it was a BBC bite
size introduction to ancient

555
00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:01,990
Egypt.
Just a very quick overview and I

556
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,470
just chat to them about what
they know and went into kick

557
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840
theatre.
And during kick theatre,

558
00:23:06,850 --> 00:23:08,530
obviously, Ian's there
explaining everything.

559
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,130
And the kids knew a lot about
mummification.

560
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,250
And he was really vividly
describing the mummification

561
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:16,760
process.
And it was like, it was like

562
00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:18,190
gory.
The kids like, yeah.

563
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,090
Because you know, you're, ohh,
you have to slice this side,

564
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:21,750
take the guts out.
And he was like taking the guts

565
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,570
out like he was a magician.
Like ribbon.

566
00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:24,690
How long the guts are.
Yeah.

567
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:26,260
And then you put them in a
canopic jar.

568
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:28,370
And the reason he had to do that
is because he wanted to take it

569
00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:30,180
with them in the afterlife.
And that was the only way to get

570
00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:31,130
through.
Is so important.

571
00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:33,610
We had to put it in a jar.
And then the heart, we weighed

572
00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:36,170
against the feather of truths.
And it was all about if you were

573
00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:37,830
a good person, the scale would
go one way.

574
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,590
And then they put the heart back
in because they didn't think

575
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,480
that was actually that
important, blah, blah, blah,

576
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:43,490
blah.
And the mummification happened

577
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,790
and they would string it around
and the it's like honestly, so

578
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,490
engrossed asking questions all
the time.

579
00:23:48,570 --> 00:23:50,270
And, yeah.
And they embalm them and they do

580
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,170
all this gross stuff.
And someone said, what?

581
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:54,960
Like, they put gloves on,
didn't.

582
00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:56,760
And he said no, no, no, no.
This is ancient Egypt.

583
00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:58,620
This is thousands of years ago.
They have anything they did with

584
00:23:58,630 --> 00:24:00,830
their bare hands.
They literally just went in,

585
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,020
took it and put in the canopic
jar, moved on, mummified them.

586
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:06,220
And this whole thing happened.
Then this whole process went on.

587
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:07,940
And then he talked about the
crocodiles.

588
00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:10,940
The, you know, people who were
caught raiding tombs went to the

589
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:12,410
crocodiles.
And then they were, they were

590
00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:14,720
hung over by their head and
they'd be snapped, snapped,

591
00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:16,760
snapped like that gross stuff,
all this gross stuff.

592
00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:18,990
And it was so, so brilliant.
And then afterwards we went back

593
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,130
out and I was just talking to
the kids and I said, right on

594
00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:23,220
your tables, I want you to
discuss with each other.

595
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,180
And I said, um, how long is the
River Nile?

596
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:26,970
Because, he said, it's 6007.
100, yeah.

597
00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:29,590
Coming into a boyfriend, Yeah.
But yeah, but this is the point.

598
00:24:29,660 --> 00:24:31,050
I wanted to see what they
remembered.

599
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:32,450
Yeah.
Because it was engulfed in this,

600
00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:34,000
like, play.
And I want to say, what's the

601
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:36,850
mummification process?
OK And I said to him, what

602
00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:39,990
animals might you see in in the,
in the, in the ancient Egypt?

603
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,180
And they're headed to the
crocodile, put their hand up and

604
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:47,350
they said, yeah, a bear.
I was like why wait to get out

605
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,620
from So I bear.
I was like no, they don't think

606
00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:51,120
they're any business.
Well yeah.

607
00:24:51,170 --> 00:24:53,200
How did they mummify them about
the bare hands?

608
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,660
Ohh, brilliant.
Because he said they did it with

609
00:25:01,170 --> 00:25:03,020
you Mama fight them.
No, no, they did it with their

610
00:25:03,030 --> 00:25:04,250
back.
Ohh, no.

611
00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:05,960
It's just love the idea that
your kids.

612
00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:07,570
I used to do that stuff all the
time about you.

613
00:25:07,580 --> 00:25:09,960
I'd always just get the wrong.
He just sat in the corner.

614
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:12,140
Wow.
They they chopped off a bare

615
00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:12,870
hand.
Just a moment.

616
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:14,440
Where are they used that they've
got.

617
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:16,380
They've got me thinking
logically, Yeah, they have

618
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:19,390
gloves that you something other
than that hand, so you got the.

619
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,190
Band they put bare hands on.
I guess bare hands are massive.

620
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,770
Yeah, it makes.
Sense to me then a plastic

621
00:25:23,780 --> 00:25:25,250
gloves Nature.
Egypt, but obviously, yeah,

622
00:25:25,260 --> 00:25:25,600
it's.
Cool.

623
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:29,200
It's so funny.
Do you remember the other year

624
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:31,900
when when he came in?
Now, just for context, Ian is

625
00:25:31,910 --> 00:25:36,940
probably 20, between 20 and 30
years older than me, right?

626
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:39,620
So yeah, a different age.
I'd like to think that you'd be

627
00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:41,390
able to tell that we're not of
the same generation.

628
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,380
This is of the same theme of
when that person asked, Have you

629
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:45,620
got vaccinated?
Yeah.

630
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:47,080
Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah.

631
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:53,990
So the other year, about two
years ago, but he, Ian was

632
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,490
coming in to do with your your
class.

633
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,900
Yeah, yeah, 3.
Things and and one of his one of

634
00:25:58,910 --> 00:26:01,380
your kids said to you go and
take over because you remember.

635
00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:05,550
Why said why is our history
teacher Ian wasn't coming?

636
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,190
And that's the point.
You just say why is our history

637
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,290
teacher coming in.
Yeah.

638
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,060
And I'm saying what they kids
I'm their history teacher said

639
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:16,350
we are about because Ian always
does history stuff.

640
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,240
Basically your topic.
And I was like well you know

641
00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:20,350
about why is it what do you mean
why is our history I'm your

642
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,650
history teacher like no, no, no.
That guy who came in the history

643
00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:25,650
was in the hall and he meant Ian
and I was like ohh we intend is

644
00:26:25,660 --> 00:26:28,170
he.
No no not this kid.

645
00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:32,200
When I told you I just seen you.
Because I waved us on year three

646
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:33,750
kid in the morning when I was
driving.

647
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,990
Past.
And he thought it was.

648
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,960
So insulted I was like, come on
20 years.

649
00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:40,590
It's at least 30 years yeah Ohh
man.

650
00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:41,730
But he's so good.
He's so good.

651
00:26:41,740 --> 00:26:44,920
Away does and I would anyone in
the east Kent area.

652
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:47,690
I don't know how far they go get
him get him in your school.

653
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,810
He is so good.
It was a master class genuinely.

654
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:55,750
I was in awe, like of the
ability to pull that out of of

655
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,040
genuinely.
Nothing we've said before.

656
00:26:57,050 --> 00:27:00,150
Haven't we talked about PE?
We've talked about the power of

657
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,690
specialists, and that is just
another perfect example of the

658
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:07,790
power of a specialist teacher.
Specialist drama teacher doing

659
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,100
something to wipe higher level
than and he didn't use props

660
00:27:11,140 --> 00:27:11,890
like.
No, no.

661
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:13,820
I spent ages preparing.
This thing was props, but it

662
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:15,260
still wouldn't even be remotely
as fun.

663
00:27:15,270 --> 00:27:17,150
No, no.
Because I guess the other

664
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,990
problem is we'd be thinking we
haven't learned anything down.

665
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,160
Yeah, those kids wrote nothing.
Like Smart Notebook.

666
00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:24,390
Yeah, yeah, Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.

667
00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:28,110
But yeah, absolutely fantastic.
And yeah, another reason why

668
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,350
enrichment is so important.
And the more budgets are

669
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,120
squeezed, the less kids get out
of this.

670
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:33,590
It's so important for them to
get it.

671
00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:36,360
Hayden.
Shall we crack on to our main

672
00:27:36,370 --> 00:27:37,250
topic.
Let's do it.

673
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,830
So professionalism as a teacher,
it always gets people talking.

674
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,030
You know what is
professionalism?

675
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,670
I think we all agree that, you
know, as teachers we do need to

676
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,750
have a certain level of
professionalism.

677
00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:53,070
It's a job, you know, that at
least was widely respected.

678
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,330
And that idea of a teacher, if
you said some, what does a

679
00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:59,060
teacher look like?
You immediately think of

680
00:27:59,070 --> 00:28:03,010
something, I think and and
there's a bit of a pressure to

681
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:05,170
kind of meet that.
And I suppose what I'm saying is

682
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:08,170
here, I've had a really
introspective thing for years

683
00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:12,820
now because for anyone doesn't
know, before I was a teacher, I

684
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:15,470
got a tattoo on my leg.
I've got a tattoo on my arm.

685
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,530
You can see the bottom of it
here if you watching the video.

686
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,610
And that's before I decided I
wanted to be a teacher.

687
00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:23,190
Hmm.
And I've I've kind of been

688
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,770
battling this with myself for a
long time and I really want to

689
00:28:25,780 --> 00:28:28,150
know where you all stand and
Hayden where you stand on this

690
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:31,990
because there is a unwritten
rule I'd say at the minute with

691
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,050
teaching where he's absolutely
cannot show tattoos, you

692
00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:38,380
absolutely cannot show tattoos.
It's unprofessional and you

693
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:40,450
shouldn't do it.
Depending on where you.

694
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:42,860
Are sure.
And I think it's getting more

695
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:44,690
LAX as time goes on.
We're going to discuss that in a

696
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,720
second.
My context and I want to just

697
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:48,720
put this out there, I want to
know, everyone thinks basically,

698
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:52,460
I'll tell you what I think I
have a tattoo on my leg which is

699
00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:55,360
mainly based around the the
design of a skull.

700
00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:57,000
Yeah.
So there's a skull on the back

701
00:28:57,010 --> 00:29:03,070
of my cough and that means that
I can't wear shorts basically

702
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,390
that that's what I think anyway.
And and what the rules of the

703
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,740
school would probably stipulate
that any school I've been in

704
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:11,190
that I can't wear shorts and
I've been going backwards and

705
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,780
forwards because as you know we
did this podcast.

706
00:29:12,790 --> 00:29:16,910
We have strong opinions on stuff
and I kind of have landed on the

707
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,410
side where I actually agree with
that.

708
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:23,750
I I think I actually agree that
I should not have that out on

709
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,810
display when I'm in school as a
teacher.

710
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,950
And it kind of goes against a
lot of my other politics and

711
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,710
beliefs and liberal ideas of,
you know, everyone does what

712
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,130
they want.
Kids will learn from different

713
00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:36,490
people.
We can't demonise these tattoos

714
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:37,950
and stuff.
There are amazing people out

715
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,700
there who happen to also have
tattoos and if someone died

716
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:43,080
their hair and stuff that would
come on to later, I you know,

717
00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:44,160
I'd have less of a problem with
that.

718
00:29:44,170 --> 00:29:49,740
But I think because it's a
skull, yeah, I actually myself

719
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:52,090
have never brought it up and
I've never got it out and I've

720
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,590
never, I've never said to
someone, Ohh, is it OK, by the

721
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,550
way, if I just wear shorts?
Because I actually think that I

722
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,630
shouldn't.
Whereas one on my arm it's a

723
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,570
bird and a rose.
Tattoo, yeah.

724
00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:03,950
I now are much more comfortable
just wearing short sleeve shirts

725
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,210
when it's peeing and it doesn't
bother me whatsoever.

726
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,870
So I don't know where do you
stand on teachers

727
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,510
professionalism and specifically
tattoos and we'll get into more

728
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,970
broad conversation in a second,
like what?

729
00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:15,050
What would you do in my
situation?

730
00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:17,730
What do you think?
I think it's a there's a big a

731
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:19,170
wider issue there.
Hmm.

732
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,110
And I get we'll come to the
whole like what the content of

733
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,450
the tattoo is in a bit I think
because that's a kind of almost

734
00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:26,270
a different point.
But like tattoos in general.

735
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,490
I just think.
I just think it feeds this kind

736
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,870
of snobby like having an
attitude that it's not OK to me

737
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,190
feeds this kind of snobby snobby
attitude culture of like, Oh no,

738
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,970
it just, it just looks it looks
beneath me and it has this kind

739
00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:40,750
of like club.
It's like the class system in my

740
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,390
head because do you know what?
When, where, when?

741
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,650
I've seen teachers, velosa
tattoos, It's always in places

742
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:49,660
like naval units, yeah, and
schools where the behaviour is

743
00:30:49,670 --> 00:30:50,860
not as good.
Or children.

744
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:52,390
Special Educational needs,
School Special.

745
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880
And and it's like and and they
always have and it's like ohh is

746
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:57,090
that is that because they're
like ohh no they're they're

747
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:58,800
disgusting.
We don't really like those

748
00:30:58,810 --> 00:31:01,940
schools are not mainstream so we
don't really care about them so

749
00:31:01,950 --> 00:31:04,900
they can have the tattoos.
But us in our mainstream school,

750
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:08,380
do we really want nice normal?
Children don't say that.

751
00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:09,540
It feels.
Yeah, that makes.

752
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,640
Me comfortable.
I'm like, oh, I don't like that.

753
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:14,000
I really, really don't like that
it's just OK And these other

754
00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:16,940
schools because it all just it
says to me it just stinks of

755
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:20,130
like a social class system and
it's like, well they're just not

756
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:22,580
as important because you're
important therefore you can't

757
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:24,600
you couldn't possibly.
And you can imagine this even

758
00:31:24,610 --> 00:31:27,200
higher class of like ohh no
tattoos are disgraceful, you

759
00:31:27,210 --> 00:31:29,480
will be fired from the school.
You know, children never get a

760
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:31,500
tattoo.
Only scumbags get tattoos.

761
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:34,320
Actually made me feel a bit sick
when you said yeah, normal and.

762
00:31:34,330 --> 00:31:35,880
Normal, because that's what it
feels like.

763
00:31:35,890 --> 00:31:38,960
And so for me, I'm quite liberal
with that sort of stuff.

764
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:42,180
I think it's, I think it's mad
that that it's OK.

765
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:44,880
If it was a blanket thing in the
entire country, every single

766
00:31:44,890 --> 00:31:46,980
person agreed on it, I'd have
less of a problem.

767
00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:49,490
But because it's not a blanket
thing and it's OK in some places

768
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,160
and not go in other places and
very much down to almost the

769
00:31:52,170 --> 00:31:54,140
opinion really of like the head
teacher or the couple of

770
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:55,940
governor's body, I'm just like,
well, that's just mad then.

771
00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:58,060
I just think it's whatever the
lowest the nominator is, it

772
00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:00,200
should all just be that then,
because why should?

773
00:32:00,210 --> 00:32:03,100
We That's really interesting
because the lowest denominator

774
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:05,640
can be a really dangerous bar to
set like.

775
00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:08,090
If you think in general are the
lowest nominates, everything's

776
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,340
fine then like.
Yeah, I think so.

777
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,810
I think you've got to bring
people up sometimes like you

778
00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:13,220
can.
The lowest denominator isn't

779
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:14,420
always where everyone should.
Be OK?

780
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:16,670
Maybe, but I don't know.
But I really just don't have a

781
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,820
problem.
With people in this respect.

782
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:19,080
Are you talking about.
Yeah.

783
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:20,970
OK so let's dive in then.
So who cares?

784
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:23,290
I I actually agree in terms of
if I saw someone else with just

785
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,200
like a pattern tattoo.
I've seen there's people I've

786
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:28,650
worked with before who have, you
know, like a little flower on

787
00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:31,540
their wrist or something or you
know, something completely

788
00:32:31,550 --> 00:32:33,170
harmless.
And and I would think that was

789
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:34,350
crazy.
If someone had a problem with

790
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,170
that, I would genuinely, I would
genuinely back them up and be

791
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:39,120
like, no, why are you.
So where's the line then?

792
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,210
Exactly because I think my arm
tattoo would be absolutely fine

793
00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:43,350
to have on display.
It's a bird.

794
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,270
It's a bird.
It's a bird.

795
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,660
And a rose.
Like, who's gonna have a problem

796
00:32:45,670 --> 00:32:49,750
with that?
I just think personally, having

797
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,770
my skull tattoo out on my leg,
which I really like and I I'm, I

798
00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:57,550
would never not have got this,
yeah, in that situation of being

799
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,010
a teacher.
So does it just throw up more

800
00:33:02,020 --> 00:33:04,330
questions than it needs to?
Do is it would you ever, would

801
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:06,700
you ever show a cartoon picture
of a skull and crossbones when

802
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:08,670
you do a lesson on pirates?
Yeah, absolutely.

803
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Like you would Would you ever
show any images of skulls?

804
00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:14,010
Yeah, like we we do.
We do stuff with skulls in it at

805
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:14,910
school.
Kids love skulls.

806
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,290
They're all fun.
I don't know what's the problem.

807
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,230
I suppose there is, there is a
conversation there about but

808
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,990
equally in society there is
something we do agree on across

809
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,150
the whole of the whole of
culture, which is kids are

810
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,220
should not be exposed to
everything that adults should be

811
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:31,720
exposed to by a certain age.
Yeah, So there is a there is

812
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:34,400
definitely a line to say
actually if you came in and you

813
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:37,370
had like a massive swear word
like written.

814
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:38,660
Up Sure.
Obviously.

815
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:40,510
And it's like, OK, that's a
difference.

816
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,700
That's not about you having to I
have a problem you having

817
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:44,900
tattoos, that's that would just
be the same as I also wouldn't

818
00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:48,110
let you come in with a picture
of that in any capacity ever in

819
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,870
a school or a school.
It's like there's nothing wrong

820
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,500
with a skull.
So I think you're putting maybe

821
00:33:51,510 --> 00:33:54,810
a bit more pressure on yourself,
maybe to think that's bad you.

822
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:56,310
Should ask, Yeah.
No, I don't know.

823
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,330
Because the point, the point
being again, we talked about

824
00:33:58,340 --> 00:34:00,240
this a million times and this
this does link into

825
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:02,690
professionalism as well.
So I think in tattoos were kind

826
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:04,600
of on the same page where I
think we do need to step into

827
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:08,100
the 21st century in general and
just be like let's just apply

828
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:09,889
what we would apply in every
situation.

829
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:15,480
If I walked in right holding a
picture of, you know, a person

830
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:18,530
who's nude, who's naked right
click, that would be a huge

831
00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:22,030
problem and obviously be really
stupid to do and I'd get in huge

832
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,440
trouble rightly so.
And it's completely

833
00:34:23,449 --> 00:34:25,330
inappropriate.
So if that was on my body as

834
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:29,170
well, naked woman clearly still
horribly inappropriate and

835
00:34:29,179 --> 00:34:31,429
should be, you know, you know,
not show that.

836
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:33,780
I guess if I came in with a
picture of a skull, people would

837
00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:35,800
just go, oh, what's that for?
And crack on with their Yeah.

838
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:37,199
And I guess, I guess you're
right.

839
00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:38,540
Maybe that's a really good
promise to have.

840
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:41,659
But let's push now into, I
suppose, professionalism in

841
00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:43,719
general.
And I think a big big talking

842
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:45,929
point is, is clothing.
Now we've done a whole

843
00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:48,290
conversation about the
difference between male and

844
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,179
female and expectations of what
what to wear and the

845
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:54,199
practicalities of what to wear.
I kind of don't really want to

846
00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:56,480
go into that whole debate again.
We've done it a million times.

847
00:34:56,530 --> 00:34:59,930
But I think what is something
that's linked to this is, you

848
00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:02,230
know, teachers being
professional and teachers having

849
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,810
this idea of, you know, you are
this, you need to be getting to

850
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:08,100
this pigeonhole because that's
what teachers look like.

851
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:10,760
What's your opinion on clothing
policies in general?

852
00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:13,080
Like, is the line too far
formal?

853
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:14,760
Is it not?
Well, again, practicality to

854
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:16,620
teaching, really, really liberal
with this stuff because my

855
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:18,980
general opinion, like I really
overview opinion on on

856
00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:22,230
everything is just does it
affect the way I if it doesn't

857
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,410
affect the way I do my job, I
just don't think we should care

858
00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:27,500
about it.
And I know there's there are

859
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:29,750
counter arguments, but we'll
come back to in a minute.

860
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,530
But that's generally how I think
I'm like, does it really?

861
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:35,850
Is it going to change my
teaching ability if I come in a

862
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:39,150
T-shirt or a shirt?
It would actually change it for

863
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,920
me and I'd be way more
comfortable at each.

864
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:42,890
Other Yeah, you'd be more
comfortable and that means

865
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:44,330
changing for better.
And then it just leads me to the

866
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:46,630
question, the the wider question
is what do we mean by

867
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,750
professional then?
Like, we talk, everyone mentions

868
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,320
professionalism all the time and
it's like, OK, we actually got

869
00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:53,610
an agreed definition of this.
Or is it just the word we use?

870
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:55,690
Yeah, it's a collar.
Is it a posh way of saying I

871
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:57,830
don't like that you're wearing
that or doing that?

872
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,570
And I've decided that.
What is professionalism then,

873
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,410
and what makes you less
professional?

874
00:36:02,740 --> 00:36:05,350
Can you think of an answer to?
That, well, traditionally it

875
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,430
would involve what you're
wearing.

876
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,640
And I suppose that's the point
we're making.

877
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:11,950
Do we need to step out of that?
Because I I would argue way more

878
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,430
as a judge of professionalism is
the quality of your work and you

879
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,170
know your effort and your and
your what's the word I want to

880
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:21,320
look for?
Like how good you are or

881
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:23,850
something.
If you've got eight more tattoos

882
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,260
and came in a T-shirt and shorts
just came in this, like just

883
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:28,940
casual wear, would people judge
you?

884
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:31,020
Do you think that you're you're
not as professional and

885
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:32,280
therefore probably not as good
as your job?

886
00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:34,190
Yes, 100%.
But is that true?

887
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,810
No, you're still just the exact
same person.

888
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:38,370
So a lot of I suppose then is
optics is what we're saying,

889
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:38,880
isn't it?
Yeah.

890
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:41,030
Yeah.
It's it's down to what it's down

891
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,310
to.
Like I think sometimes people

892
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:47,130
who wield that power are scared
of what other people will think

893
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,410
rather than I suppose, being
proactive and and taking the

894
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:54,630
line of no, no, this is fine.
If you think different, you're

895
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,890
completely entitled to that.
But what I see from my end is a

896
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:03,020
bloody good teacher who teaches
things well, who has a rose on

897
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:06,800
their arm like so.
There are some people who

898
00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:09,990
express themselves in what they
wear and you know, might have a

899
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,260
very loud pattern on their on
their top that day.

900
00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:16,890
So the big counter argument I've
always heard for this kind of

901
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,980
thing and it is a good counter
argument in my opinion.

902
00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:20,900
I don't really know, maybe we
can explore it now.

903
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:23,880
It's very much that, yeah, OK,
this is all great, but at the

904
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:27,000
end of the day in the UK we have
uniform policies for the kids,

905
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:31,800
right?
And if we are modelling to if we

906
00:37:31,810 --> 00:37:35,260
are leading by example with the
kids, is it really fair for us

907
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:37,240
to come and do whatever we want
And then when the kids shirts

908
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:39,010
untucked, but I'll take your
shirt because that's the policy,

909
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:41,800
you know, we have this uniform
policy because I don't disagree

910
00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:43,520
with uniform policy.
I actually think it's a good

911
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:46,970
thing to have inform policy
because I don't think allowing

912
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:49,190
kids to wear whatever.
I think it's worse when kids

913
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,320
wear whatever they want because
it opens up a whole new social

914
00:37:52,330 --> 00:37:56,860
thing of like it's wearing
designer clothes and taking the

915
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:59,090
Mick out of each other.
Their clothes uniform just gets

916
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,730
rid of all that.
So I kind of like uniform, but

917
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:04,670
then I feel hypocritical if I'm
like, yeah, I'm super liberal

918
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,530
people do you want doesn't
change your personality the way

919
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,630
you look at what you wear.
But kids wear all the same

920
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,310
thing.
Please.

921
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,250
Do you ever think that there's.
SO this is really interesting to

922
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:14,500
talk about Your personally quite
liberal with this kind of thing.

923
00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:18,780
Do you ever have to step back
and think this is what I

924
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:21,880
personally believe hmm.
But it's not practical one.

925
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:25,520
I think in practise something we
should have a different role do.

926
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:28,650
Is that what you're saying now
or do you are you so entrenched

927
00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:30,840
in what you think that you think
that should be the rule for

928
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:33,560
everyone like because I would
argue with you.

929
00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:35,720
I think we're both quite similar
in what we think now.

930
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:37,520
But I I think I'm just a bit
more practical.

931
00:38:37,810 --> 00:38:40,220
So what I would say about that
is, you know, it all depends on

932
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:42,070
the line.
It's like, well, you're allowed

933
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,520
to be liberal on.
You think people should do what

934
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,810
they want, but it is different.
And you've got a job.

935
00:38:45,850 --> 00:38:47,540
It just is.
It's like the kind of people who

936
00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:50,460
say free speech, like a free
speech above everything.

937
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:53,340
Free speech is so important.
It's like, yeah, but I can't go

938
00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:55,860
into school and say something
racially discriminating because

939
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:58,120
I would lose my job and that
would be completely fine.

940
00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:59,300
Yeah.
Like there'll be people say, oh,

941
00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:00,830
no, free speech.
Free speech should be able to

942
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,680
say what you want.
Yeah, you can.

943
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:04,790
But then people can react how
they want as well.

944
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,320
And I suppose the point I'm
making is when it's in a

945
00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:09,680
profession and a job and you're
getting paid and you're doing a

946
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:12,940
job for someone else, there is
like there is a line there where

947
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:15,420
that person can draw the line
closer to you in terms of

948
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:18,440
liberalness and and and of
course, of course, my it's gonna

949
00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:19,760
get a tattoo of a skull on my
own.

950
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:21,680
Yeah, no one stopping me from
doing that.

951
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:24,100
But what the person employing me
is saying is if you want to work

952
00:39:24,110 --> 00:39:26,020
for us, though there are there
are some red lines here and I

953
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:27,940
don't want you to cross them.
Like, do you think that's?

954
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:30,700
OK, in a way, in a way, because
I get the point, right.

955
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:32,890
It's like we're all virtue
signalling to each other all the

956
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:34,160
time because it's really hard to
understand.

957
00:39:34,170 --> 00:39:36,480
You're very complex.
So there's just this bar that's

958
00:39:36,490 --> 00:39:39,680
set where it's like we just you
know if you if you fit this kind

959
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:42,380
of category stay inside the
circle then that's a good

960
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:44,030
indicator that you might be the.
Right person.

961
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,040
I mean in general.
I've chosen to work in a school,

962
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,590
for example, where the rule is
this.

963
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,510
I've broken the rule because of
my free will and my I'm allowed

964
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,550
to do so.
Is it my place to argue and say

965
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,270
no, no, no, Well, no, sorry, I'm
allowed to do this so I should

966
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,550
be able to work for you?
Or does the person employ me

967
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,990
have the right to say, well, no,
I choose who I employ and I

968
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,590
don't want to employ someone.
It's tricky line, isn't it?

969
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,230
Because that's the whole debate
about discrimination.

970
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,630
I think you can't.
You can't employ someone as a

971
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,130
teacher who's not qualified as a
teacher.

972
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:10,290
But you can.
That's the problem.

973
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:12,060
You can't also not employ
someone pregnant.

974
00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:13,630
There's a whole, like, there's a
whole.

975
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,410
I think there's a whole line of
discrimination there of like

976
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:16,970
what?
What falls into discrimination?

977
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,850
That's I guess that's the point
I'm making and like where does

978
00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:21,510
the line?
Yeah, and I think I'm pretty set

979
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,420
on.
I am just more liberal than I

980
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:25,950
think I am pretty set on.
No, I think it is

981
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,660
discriminatory.
I think someone could come in

982
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:29,070
and tattooed from head to toe,
right.

983
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,910
And the idea that they don't get
the same chance at a job or

984
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,980
maybe even don't get the job
because of it, I'm just like,

985
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:37,040
that's mental.
I just don't think that should

986
00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:38,210
be the policy.
I don't, I don't care.

987
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:40,430
And if the parents have a
problem with it, then the leader

988
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,830
that's employed them because
they really good teacher should

989
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,440
should have the balls to go out
there be no, there you go.

990
00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:46,930
You can't.
I've employed this person.

991
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:48,950
They're really good at that,
that good job.

992
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:50,740
Why you will judging them?
Because they've got some.

993
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:51,840
Tattoo.
You made a really good point.

994
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:52,430
I completely.
Agree.

995
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,270
Actually the only thing it's
just I just want to go back to

996
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,770
you though that the only
difference is, is that kids are

997
00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:00,460
protected.
So if your tattoos crosses the

998
00:41:00,470 --> 00:41:04,370
line of like profanity and and
inappropriate representation

999
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:06,970
images, I do think there is
still an absolute clear line on

1000
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:09,270
yeah, but that's just not OK.
In any that's that's actually

1001
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,200
nothing to do with tattoos.
You know the point.

1002
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:12,030
You're.
Making Yeah, yeah.

1003
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,650
The wider point of having
tattoos or not having tattoos.

1004
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:17,410
I think it should always just be
OK to do that because it's none

1005
00:41:17,420 --> 00:41:19,230
of our business and it doesn't
make any difference to someone's

1006
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:20,960
personality if they choose to
get one or.

1007
00:41:20,970 --> 00:41:22,980
Not OK.
So going back to clothing them.

1008
00:41:24,350 --> 00:41:28,790
So I guess the point we want to
make here is clothing policies.

1009
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,090
So policies that people put in
place are entrenched a lot of

1010
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:36,190
the time in in like honestly
Victorian era kind of standards.

1011
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,110
Like if you think about the
modern workplace #1A, lot of

1012
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,730
people work from home a lot of
the time.

1013
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:42,430
We're not able to do that.
And that's fine.

1014
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,840
And I do think that teaching is
best done in front of someone by

1015
00:41:46,850 --> 00:41:48,740
a professional for most of the
children's time.

1016
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:50,230
I think that's the best way to
do it.

1017
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:53,300
But even if you go into the
workplaces these days, people

1018
00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:56,280
are in, people are in trainers,
people are in T-shirts all the

1019
00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:57,770
time.
These, you know, top level, OK

1020
00:41:57,780 --> 00:42:01,470
someone a lawyer going and you
know, a lawyer going into a into

1021
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,230
a court case isn't there.
They're wearing a certain thing.

1022
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,430
Yeah.
But you know, that's kind of

1023
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,770
represented in how much money
they're often paid and.

1024
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:09,290
Once again, all it's a really
important job.

1025
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,080
So they've got to look smart.
The rest of you just didn't

1026
00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:13,040
office jobs.
It's that whole culture thing.

1027
00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:15,450
That's what just I hate.
It always boils down to that

1028
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:18,290
back to me in my head when I go
down this logic train of Ohh.

1029
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:19,430
Yeah.
But I suppose that is a really

1030
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,010
important lawyers.
Of course they can't.

1031
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:23,460
It does just boil down to, yeah,
because we think they're

1032
00:42:23,470 --> 00:42:26,740
important and we've for some
reason attached importance to

1033
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:27,270
like.
Looking.

1034
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,940
They are important.
Yeah, they are.

1035
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:30,650
So what we think they should
look at.

1036
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:32,800
Sorry.
Yeah, I think we what we think

1037
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:36,840
is looking important looks like.
This but there's OK.

1038
00:42:36,850 --> 00:42:39,260
Is is is someone working at the
till at supermarket not

1039
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:40,890
important.
Of course they are exactly.

1040
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:41,820
But no one cares about what
they.

1041
00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:44,880
Were exactly, yeah, completely.
Because because actually in

1042
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:46,880
society we do deal them as not
as important.

1043
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:50,610
I say Bing people, I'm trying to
be very PC here.

1044
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:53,190
Bin men OK, I know some women
collections, but our bin men

1045
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,280
important.
Yeah, of course.

1046
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:55,830
That's extremely important.
Extremely exciting.

1047
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:57,930
Like relies on them.
Others have trash.

1048
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:01,260
Everywhere and disease and you
know, I completely agree with

1049
00:43:01,270 --> 00:43:02,190
you.
And I suppose the next few

1050
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,070
points here are all the same
hair colour nails.

1051
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:06,670
I are your nails.
Yeah.

1052
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,070
A certain colour or or you've
got longer nails done.

1053
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,540
I've had colleagues before we've
come into me and said, ohh yeah,

1054
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:13,050
in the holidays I got my nails
done.

1055
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:14,950
I had, I had a nice red nails
and I was like, where are they

1056
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,990
then?
I'd like to get rid of them for

1057
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,670
school.
Yeah.

1058
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,590
What?
Yeah.

1059
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:20,130
Are you Are you mad?
That's not you, but is this

1060
00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:22,500
system mad and you feel there's?
Probably some little nuances of

1061
00:43:22,510 --> 00:43:24,760
everything, like maybe maybe
someone's policy against long

1062
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:25,970
hours.
You work with kids all day.

1063
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:28,120
You don't you like you might
scratch someone in the face or

1064
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:29,370
something.
There's like little things.

1065
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:30,760
I'm like, OK, I kind of get
that.

1066
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:33,750
But when it's just based on, we
don't like the look of that

1067
00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:37,810
because that's red and red.
We've decided it's not good.

1068
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:40,090
If your nails are blue, that
would be all right.

1069
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,890
So what do you mean?
What you talking about?

1070
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:45,260
Completely, Completely.
And I guess I wanna go back to

1071
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:47,510
the hypocrisy that you feel then
I really want to dig into this.

1072
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,250
I wanna get your opinion then.
Because, for example, if a

1073
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,630
member of staff came in, let's
say I dyed my hair bleach

1074
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,630
blonde.
Yeah, right.

1075
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,450
I I think that should be
absolutely fine.

1076
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:57,330
Yeah, it probably would be,
because we've decided the blonde

1077
00:43:57,340 --> 00:43:59,270
is no OK colour.
Yeah, good point.

1078
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,010
But yeah, so not a natural
colour I suppose, but normally,

1079
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,100
let's say I go a bit below like
a lot of people.

1080
00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:05,750
Like some streamers did that
recently.

1081
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,390
Kids, people who look up to when
it blue.

1082
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,370
Let's say I just had a blue
streak in my hair, right?

1083
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,970
Realistically, I think that
should be fine.

1084
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:14,170
Personally, I don't think that
should be a problem whatsoever.

1085
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,440
And it's a lot more common with
women, obviously, because women

1086
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:17,800
tend to dye their hair more than
men.

1087
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:21,220
Yeah, if they come in like I I
saw once one of our colleagues

1088
00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:25,380
got their hair dyed silver and I
thought it looked so cool.

1089
00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:26,920
Yeah, like I thought it was
really good.

1090
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:29,050
It was like it was almost just a
bit different to Blonde, wasn't

1091
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:30,600
it?
Wasn't a nice like silvery twin.

1092
00:44:30,610 --> 00:44:34,420
It was Silver and she had to
change it and and I think in

1093
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:36,580
yeah, because because someone
complained again, it's not even

1094
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:39,280
like a proactive thing.
It's just someone else's opinion

1095
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:40,810
on something.
Good job they did because she

1096
00:44:40,820 --> 00:44:42,930
was a terrible teacher during
the time that her hair was

1097
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:44,440
silver, right?
Exactly.

1098
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,640
Which, no, she's a fantastic
teacher, always has been.

1099
00:44:47,650 --> 00:44:49,440
And you know what?
She probably felt great about

1100
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:51,300
herself during that time was
even better.

1101
00:44:51,310 --> 00:44:54,100
Like, I just think self-care in
that kind of respect is so

1102
00:44:54,110 --> 00:44:54,880
important.
But.

1103
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:56,770
But like I said though, with
clothing like, the counter

1104
00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:58,810
argument always comes back to me
and I always struggle with.

1105
00:44:58,820 --> 00:45:02,010
It, I was gonna say a kid can't.
Do the kids like Yeah, he's the

1106
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:04,250
wider problem, That's OK That's
not care about that either.

1107
00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:07,500
Then, like, do I really care if
a kid gets excited and inspired

1108
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:09,900
by their favourite streamer or
footballer and wants to come in

1109
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:13,260
with that haircut for a bit?
Like, does it really matter?

1110
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:14,640
Genuinely.
Well, to me, I've always found

1111
00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:16,590
it mad when people talk about
stream haircuts.

1112
00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:20,490
I'm like, what?
Like you can't.

1113
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,110
There are some schools now
still.

1114
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,710
If someone came in with a
Skinhead, yeah, that's it.

1115
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:25,670
No, sorry, you can't.
Do that.

1116
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,910
Imagine 15 years ago, a kid
coming with a top knot.

1117
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,980
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 15 years ago
extreme.

1118
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:32,130
That's ridiculous.
Now it's like, Oh no, it's not

1119
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:34,450
extreme anymore because society.
That's so true.

1120
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:37,590
It just shows how mad it is.
Yeah, it's all about societal,

1121
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,050
kind of.
Thing.

1122
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:40,160
Yeah, I just like, can we just
scrap this whole?

1123
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:41,660
It's just rubbish.
We're too worried about what

1124
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:42,700
people think.
Yeah, that's it.

1125
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:44,670
That's it.
And and and we give it too much

1126
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,540
meaning.
We need to stop giving it so

1127
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:47,640
much meaning.
It doesn't matter.

1128
00:45:47,650 --> 00:45:49,940
And then there's one more
hypocrisy, which is and we've I

1129
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:51,720
know you said you don't talk
about it, but I'm gonna quickly

1130
00:45:51,730 --> 00:45:55,040
mention which is just between
men and women and it is just

1131
00:45:55,050 --> 00:45:58,180
completely mad how how different
the rules are.

1132
00:45:58,190 --> 00:46:00,880
And I actually think it boils
down to a classic like

1133
00:46:00,890 --> 00:46:02,520
patriarchy.
Almost flipped the other way.

1134
00:46:02,530 --> 00:46:05,500
I I I think I think it boils
down to ohh, it's the same

1135
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:08,080
thing.
Ohh, no men are so important.

1136
00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:10,030
You can't.
It's OK if the women wear

1137
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,640
sandals, but men, you're so
important.

1138
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:14,600
I think it stems from that,
which is just just ridiculous in

1139
00:46:14,610 --> 00:46:16,660
my opinion.
And that's an example of how

1140
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:19,990
perhaps that kind of
patriarchal, you know, can

1141
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,570
impact men badly as well.
Yeah, it's not a good thing for

1142
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:24,670
anyone to pretend that like I
don't.

1143
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,950
I don't, honestly, I don't care
like it.

1144
00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:28,810
Like I made the joke a million
times.

1145
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:31,210
If I turned up in sometimes what
my female colleagues turned up

1146
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:32,740
in, yeah, I'd be turned away at
the door.

1147
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:35,130
You wouldn't be not just cause
I'm wearing a dress because, you

1148
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:38,610
know, I'm wearing the swearing
level of casual or smart casual

1149
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:41,310
wear.
If I wore the same level, there

1150
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,810
would be questions.
Everyone.

1151
00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:45,160
I walked past me saying, Ohh,
you having a day off, you know,

1152
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:45,790
that kind.
Of thing.

1153
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,470
I reckon I could walk into any
school and find a member of

1154
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,820
staff wearing skin tight
leggings right where, when and a

1155
00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:53,980
top that maybe doesn't even
quite cover their bum.

1156
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:57,020
So it's all skin tight.
It's very much see some sort of

1157
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:59,020
sandals or just you know really
comfy footwear.

1158
00:46:59,090 --> 00:47:01,710
So you're kind of baggy top.
Your opinion there, would that

1159
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,100
be wrong?
No, no, no, exactly.

1160
00:47:03,110 --> 00:47:05,650
But I'm just saying, I reckon I
could walk into any school and

1161
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:07,860
find someone and I reckon 0% of
the time that's a.

1162
00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:09,430
Man, Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

1163
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:11,710
It's always cool, of course, and
I reckon we'd never find a man

1164
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:14,060
didn't I reckon the most relaxed
you'd get is someone wearing

1165
00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:15,600
like Chino is where their ankles
are out and they.

1166
00:47:15,610 --> 00:47:17,120
Were.
Yeah, and but you see a lot

1167
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:19,760
sometimes even in Scotland as
well I've seen before, not maybe

1168
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:21,280
not Scotland general, but Colin
Scotland.

1169
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:25,340
I saw someone wearing you know,
like a a flannel shirt with like

1170
00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:27,110
AT shirt underneath and the
final shirt was open.

1171
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,220
Yeah, like I said, you know,
smart, casual basically.

1172
00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:33,740
And I just think to myself, what
harm is that doing to anyone?

1173
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:37,030
Yeah, apart from I would feel so
much more comfortable teaching

1174
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,600
in that.
Because you know what, primary

1175
00:47:38,610 --> 00:47:41,320
school teaching is very active.
You are all over.

1176
00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:42,980
The place trousers and matching.
Shirt.

1177
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:44,840
It's mad.
It's not sad.

1178
00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:47,640
Desk, It's crazy.
You know, I never ever, ever

1179
00:47:47,650 --> 00:47:50,420
wear a tie because I just, I you
do sometimes.

1180
00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:53,080
And I'm like what you doing?
It used to.

1181
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:55,570
But again, I'm like people, some
people want to wear a tie.

1182
00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:57,570
I'm never going to say don't do
it, but I just from my point of

1183
00:47:57,580 --> 00:48:00,380
view, I'm just like that's just
going to get in the no.

1184
00:48:00,470 --> 00:48:03,010
I think it's I used to anyway,
because I used to value the

1185
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:04,820
whole thing more, but now I'm
way more like I don't care.

1186
00:48:04,830 --> 00:48:06,300
I don't actually care about the
way we look.

1187
00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:08,770
I'm just gonna wear the comfiest
thing that I can that I own.

1188
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:11,180
OK, quick, just leave this
conversation.

1189
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:12,830
But just quick one to listeners,
right.

1190
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,750
So just think about this and I
want you to just recognise maybe

1191
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,770
your own subconscious or
subliminal biases and thoughts

1192
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:21,910
and opinions, right?
Would you act or think

1193
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,470
differently if I walked into
your school wearing the male

1194
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,870
equivalent to the person in your
school?

1195
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,790
You can think of them right now.
Who wears the most relaxed

1196
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,870
clothing?
Would you Would you judge me and

1197
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,050
think about the fact that I'm
wearing that in a different way

1198
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:37,290
to the person who already wears
that?

1199
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:39,740
That happens to be a female.
And I think the answer to

1200
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:40,910
everyone's gonna be yeah,
absolutely.

1201
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,490
Because that's just the way
society's.

1202
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:43,700
Gone.
But I think as soon as I saw

1203
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:45,540
your face there but.
Like, ohh, not this guy.

1204
00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:46,510
Who's this guy?
Yeah.

1205
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,310
OK, so you know, leave that,
leave that to one side.

1206
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,230
Now in the school, I wanna talk
quickly about the idea of

1207
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:53,980
professionalism outside of
school, something that is, it's

1208
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:56,730
just, again, something I just
kind of accepted when I started

1209
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:59,280
to teach training and just like,
OK, Yep, that's part of the job,

1210
00:48:59,350 --> 00:49:01,080
that that's cool.
And when you actually sit and

1211
00:49:01,090 --> 00:49:04,100
think about it, this strand
that's in the teacher standards,

1212
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:05,320
it's almost like a separate
strand.

1213
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:07,030
It's like a separate thing.
It's all the stuff you should do

1214
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,860
in school.
There's just like a very short

1215
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:11,490
paragraph which is essentially
describing that as teachers as

1216
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:12,830
well.
To maintain the teacher

1217
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,170
standards, to be a professional
and maintain your status as a

1218
00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:18,130
teacher, you need to meet these
standards.

1219
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,430
You must have a level of it's
very vague, a level of

1220
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,050
professionalism at all times.
Outside of school, in every

1221
00:49:25,060 --> 00:49:28,550
teachers contract that they've
signed, we have basically agreed

1222
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,030
to maintaining 24/7 levels of
professionalism.

1223
00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:34,730
And I want to ask you about what
where's that line then like

1224
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:37,880
because again, school to school
might have very different

1225
00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:41,540
things.
I know schools where it even it

1226
00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:44,210
being known that you went to the
pub and has three or 4 pints.

1227
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:46,750
Yeah, if parents found out about
it, it would be a problem on

1228
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,960
your part, that kind of thing.
Ohh you gotta be careful when

1229
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:51,940
you go out, you know, cause
there were parents at that pub

1230
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:55,270
and you're you're a bit drunk.
So you know, outside of work,

1231
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,100
you know, getting drunk at a
local place, going, going to a

1232
00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:02,390
concert and there are parents
there and you're a bit tipsy is

1233
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,500
acceptable.
That's acceptable.

1234
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:05,660
Yeah, of course it is.
Of course.

1235
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:07,860
Is it.
Is there a line at all of

1236
00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:11,080
professionalism outside of work?
And we're, you know, got boils

1237
00:50:11,090 --> 00:50:12,920
down to what the Hell's
professionalism, probably.

1238
00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:14,700
And I reckon it came from a good
place.

1239
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:21,950
Like, OK, would it be OK if if I
was single and I was just just

1240
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,900
outrageously flirting with one
of the parents on the playground

1241
00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:27,250
at the end of the day or even
just outside of school, would

1242
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:32,640
that be OK with you?
But the kids in my class, Yeah.

1243
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:34,760
And I'm just really fighting
with them and I want to start

1244
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:36,540
dating this, this parent.
And I only know them because

1245
00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:38,340
through work, you know, through
school, they drop the kid.

1246
00:50:38,350 --> 00:50:39,980
Off ohh my that that's really
stuck.

1247
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:41,830
Because that's the kind of thing
to me when when they talk about

1248
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,520
professionalism, it's like.
I'd say no.

1249
00:50:43,590 --> 00:50:46,100
It's like kind of just keep a
distance between, like keep your

1250
00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:48,390
work and.
I'd say it definitely, at least

1251
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,680
while they're still in your
class.

1252
00:50:50,350 --> 00:50:53,090
I mean, but you said you say
keep your work life and things

1253
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:55,270
separate.
We both got with teachers who we

1254
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,860
worked with.
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I

1255
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:59,310
know.
That's that's as close as it

1256
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,300
gets to work.
Yeah.

1257
00:51:00,310 --> 00:51:03,000
But you agree there is a line if
the kids in your class and

1258
00:51:03,010 --> 00:51:06,760
you're single and the and you.
I I personally would just stare

1259
00:51:06,770 --> 00:51:10,440
away from that as a personal
choice of just don't bother with

1260
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:12,520
that because if it goes right
God it's only going to go wrong

1261
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,730
and and it's going to detriment
you could should should you lose

1262
00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:17,640
your job.
Are you not meeting a standard

1263
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:22,670
if you date a parent who this
kid goes to your school.

1264
00:51:22,990 --> 00:51:24,530
I think that's really dangerous
if we say.

1265
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:26,710
Yes, I think I don't know.
I don't know.

1266
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,700
The answer is because I'm very
aware of my own.

1267
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:32,220
My own indoctrination into our
society.

1268
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:35,560
So I know that my thoughts and
opinions sometimes are very much

1269
00:51:35,570 --> 00:51:37,740
based on the fact that I've
grown up in this society for 30

1270
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:39,410
years.
Of course my opinions will be

1271
00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:41,240
somewhat aligned to it, but I
don't know.

1272
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:43,700
I don't know what the you know,
but there's loads of examples,

1273
00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:44,810
isn't there?
Professionalism.

1274
00:51:44,850 --> 00:51:47,340
I think they're the fringe ones
that people talk about.

1275
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:48,750
Are the ones that get people.
Really?

1276
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:50,890
Should I be allowed to drink
alcohol out?

1277
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,320
Of course you should.
I don't think actually probably

1278
00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:55,660
many schools would give a crap.
No.

1279
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:59,380
Not seen out in a pub.
I think the difference is if you

1280
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:02,510
were seen out in a pub and you
were breaking the law or you

1281
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,570
were standing on top of the bar,
like being sounds being a

1282
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:07,800
nuisance.
Yeah, yeah like being horrible

1283
00:52:07,810 --> 00:52:10,660
doing something.
Please get that is a bit like.

1284
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:13,710
I guess the idea is you're
always representing the school

1285
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,240
whether you liked what you.
Like, that's why it's in there.

1286
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:18,500
That's the whole point.
I think with a lot of jobs, you

1287
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:21,070
know, you step out of the roles
soon, as soon as you leave.

1288
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,270
Teaching still has maintained
without the level of wealth it

1289
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,520
used to create for people and
put them right in the upper

1290
00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:29,940
middle classes if they were
teachers.

1291
00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:32,060
It doesn't happen anymore.
But we still kind of maintain

1292
00:52:32,070 --> 00:52:34,500
that idea of that social
structure of no, no, no, no, no,

1293
00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:36,350
no.
I'm in this profession which is

1294
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,640
very respected and and I'm a
teacher, don't you know, and I'm

1295
00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:41,110
in.
I'm in the upper middle classes

1296
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,220
now.
Not anymore we're not.

1297
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:44,520
But also we've still got to
maintain that kind of societal.

1298
00:52:44,530 --> 00:52:46,520
Expectation.
And we can't change the fact

1299
00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:50,720
that other people seeing you
outside of work will think, oh,

1300
00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:54,130
that's the teacher from so and
so we can't actually make people

1301
00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:55,690
not think.
That no, of course and I don't

1302
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:56,640
have a problem.
With that, yeah.

1303
00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:59,480
So the fact that they're doing
that does lead me to have a be a

1304
00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:03,270
little bit lenient with the idea
that we should just be aware

1305
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,980
that even when we're not
teaching to a lot of people,

1306
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:09,150
whether we're inside the
classroom or not, we are still

1307
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,450
seen as the teacher from that
class.

1308
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:14,310
So if we're seen as the teacher
from that class by people and

1309
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,640
we're doing things that are
against the law or like unruly

1310
00:53:17,650 --> 00:53:20,330
like.
Just being on a podcast, Yeah,

1311
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:22,420
Yeah.
We get that a minute and things

1312
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:24,830
like that.
Like I I think there is a place

1313
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,120
for at least to be looked at and
considered whether whether there

1314
00:53:27,130 --> 00:53:29,010
should be a blanket like you
broke the rule, you lose your

1315
00:53:29,020 --> 00:53:29,750
job.
I don't.

1316
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,110
I mean, that's different, but.
Perhaps that's the whole point

1317
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,540
of why it's there and why it's
vague.

1318
00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:35,460
I think.
I think it's just there for

1319
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:37,230
there's always gonna be a great
line with this kind of stuff.

1320
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:38,710
Yeah.
I think it's there for those

1321
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,450
grey lines for to try and catch
as many teachers in the net as

1322
00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:43,650
possible to be like just don't
push it.

1323
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:46,390
So I think, I think me and you
and most teachers we know will

1324
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,340
have this in the back of our
mind now because it's written

1325
00:53:48,350 --> 00:53:50,930
down and you know, we'll go out
for a drink, we'll go out for a

1326
00:53:50,940 --> 00:53:52,350
Curry.
We'll have like four or five

1327
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,970
pints or be a bit tipsy but
always in the back of the head.

1328
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:57,510
We're just like, ohh, let's not
get blackout drunk like come at

1329
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,280
university because.
Because I know that and I think

1330
00:54:00,290 --> 00:54:02,220
that's what that does.
It just catches those people in

1331
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:04,450
that net, those people who want
to sit there and intricately

1332
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,650
account, which is me.
I like having a line somewhere

1333
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:08,120
and I'm very much like that with
everything.

1334
00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:10,100
I want to know where the line
is, what I can go up to and go.

1335
00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:11,820
Past Why don't you?
That's really podcast.

1336
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:13,950
That's a question for you.
Why don't you swear on this

1337
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,250
podcast?
Because I swear in real life all

1338
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:17,220
the time.
I swear a lot.

1339
00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:22,520
Yeah, I think it is.
It is that if I think if I

1340
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:26,510
worked in my old job, I always
go back to this cuz I worked in

1341
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,840
a supermarket.
So that's my that's my go to.

1342
00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:31,420
When I'm comparing stuff.
I'm not, I'm not labelling

1343
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:34,180
things as more or less important
or anything like that, But I

1344
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:37,650
worked in Asda and now I work as
a teacher.

1345
00:54:38,170 --> 00:54:42,250
If I worked in Asda still right
now and I did a podcast, I would

1346
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:45,350
speak like I speak outside of
Asda at all times and that would

1347
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,890
involve swearing quite
frequently.

1348
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:48,790
I'm quite frequent swearer.
Yeah, do you know why?

1349
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,550
I think it's quite simple.
It's the expectations.

1350
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,970
Yeah, because also when you when
you leave your other job,

1351
00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:56,580
there's no expectation that
people can walk like that's the

1352
00:54:56,590 --> 00:54:57,820
guy from.
Asda we might do because I.

1353
00:54:57,830 --> 00:55:02,980
Do like a bunch of when hundreds
of kids and there are rules and

1354
00:55:02,990 --> 00:55:04,980
expectations of your work that
are quite strict in terms of

1355
00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:07,200
like.
Profanity and how you act to

1356
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:09,360
then break those rules outside
where people could just easily

1357
00:55:09,370 --> 00:55:11,560
see you with different.
Whereas really as there is like

1358
00:55:11,570 --> 00:55:13,820
would you OK, would you swear
there was if there was a

1359
00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:16,720
guarantee that no kids would
ever see it but but some parents

1360
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:18,890
might obviously they're adults
if there was a guarantee no kids

1361
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:20,080
would ever see it.
Would you still.

1362
00:55:20,090 --> 00:55:22,370
I think I would still not swear.
I know I would, because that's

1363
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:24,270
just me, because I'm very
naturally quite sweary anyway

1364
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,800
and I think even if the parents
at your schools you would see it

1365
00:55:26,810 --> 00:55:28,660
would, you'd still swear.
Ohh the parents at the school.

1366
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:30,530
But I mean just just children.
Can't see it?

1367
00:55:30,570 --> 00:55:32,680
No, because the parents and the
kids, they come like with

1368
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:34,060
little.
You know, in my head like.

1369
00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:36,540
Because I know it's like, it's
like had that conversation about

1370
00:55:36,550 --> 00:55:38,930
AI reports, right?
Yeah, I know that.

1371
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:42,040
I know that AI reports are OK.
But I'm very aware that other

1372
00:55:42,050 --> 00:55:45,730
people have misinformation or
have a stigma about it, right?

1373
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,510
That that is powerful enough
still to get me in trouble.

1374
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:51,030
So it's like you have to you
still have to address it

1375
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:52,970
appropriately.
Because it doesn't matter if I

1376
00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:58,550
think it's OK if if 32 parents
unanimously don't think it's OK,

1377
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,050
even if I think they're wrong,
it doesn't matter still because

1378
00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:03,010
it's still they're still they
can still get me in trouble.

1379
00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:05,220
For I guess that goes back to
tattoos and stuff.

1380
00:56:05,310 --> 00:56:07,410
Yeah, I guess.
Same kind of thing.

1381
00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:10,660
So that's interesting, yeah.
It's basically it's way when we

1382
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:12,380
started this conversation, I was
like, yeah, actually pretty

1383
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:13,180
simple.
I'm just liberal.

1384
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:15,230
It's actually OK.
But actually it's way more

1385
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:16,690
complex.
Yeah, way, way, way more

1386
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:18,480
complex.
I think if there are lines,

1387
00:56:18,490 --> 00:56:20,180
there always are.
I reckon they could probably be

1388
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:21,670
moved a little bit.
I think we could be a bit more

1389
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,210
lenient on what people wear at
school, but more leaning on

1390
00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:27,310
whether tattoos are OK as a
blanket yes or no.

1391
00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:29,410
A little bit more lenient than
what people and what teachers

1392
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:32,430
can do outside of their outside
of work without having to worry

1393
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,610
about everything.
Yeah, some kids have parents

1394
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:36,840
have had loads of kids have
parents tattoos.

1395
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:38,910
Like what?
What are we kind of setting up

1396
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,940
there if they go to school and
like the teachers can possibly

1397
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:43,650
show a tattoo?
Yeah, my mum and dad have

1398
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:44,640
tattoos, yeah.
Ohh, no, no.

1399
00:56:44,650 --> 00:56:46,720
But not the.
The teachers could yeah, no.

1400
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:48,690
We only represented a portion of
society that we think is

1401
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:49,560
actually.
Important, Yeah.

1402
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:51,320
Yeah.
Sorry, so your parents not in

1403
00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:52,120
it?
Yeah, it's mad.

1404
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:53,000
It's just it is.
It's.

1405
00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:56,380
All goes back to culture.
Yeah, OK.

1406
00:56:56,390 --> 00:57:00,150
Yeah.
So thinking about us then in

1407
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,430
terms of obviously we're we're
teachers and we just talked

1408
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,480
about how we wouldn't swear on
this podcast, we swear on this

1409
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:07,020
podcast, we wouldn't we wouldn't
date someone if we were single,

1410
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:11,220
wouldn't date someone at school.
We we are doing a weekly podcast

1411
00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:14,760
where although although we don't
swear, we are very much you

1412
00:57:14,770 --> 00:57:16,780
know, philtre off and we say
exactly what we think about.

1413
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:19,420
Education and job and we're
pushing the rules a bit because

1414
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:21,860
I know that when we started this
we were a bit quiet, kind of a

1415
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:23,440
bit scared about.
Doing that little bit, yeah.

1416
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:25,650
We were and I think we've got a
bit more relaxed because we're

1417
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:28,660
like in the 60s of episodes now,
but we definitely.

1418
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:31,880
Didn't win the twenty 20s.
Yeah, we definitely say stuff

1419
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:33,320
now.
I think that we absolutely would

1420
00:57:33,330 --> 00:57:34,600
have cut out of our first
episodes.

1421
00:57:35,110 --> 00:57:38,030
We would have been scared of
like someone might misrepresent.

1422
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,020
That, but do you think anything
we've ever said has been

1423
00:57:40,030 --> 00:57:43,210
unprofessional?
Probably.

1424
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:45,920
Do you think Probably, based on
the line of what professionalism

1425
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:47,240
is, do you reckon?
Yeah, I reckon so.

1426
00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:48,820
What?
I can't think of exactly what,

1427
00:57:48,830 --> 00:57:50,860
but I imagine we have.
Well think about today.

1428
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:54,040
Is it unprofessional for us to
do what we've just done?

1429
00:57:54,110 --> 00:57:55,330
Like should we ban this whole
episode?

1430
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:58,400
Like is it unprofessional for us
to critique.

1431
00:57:58,410 --> 00:58:01,260
Should we have this should we be
having this conversation in

1432
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:04,510
private like with the with the
people in charge or you know is

1433
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,740
it OK to air what we think about
stuff.

1434
00:58:06,810 --> 00:58:10,620
I am really, really, really
strong of belief now of the

1435
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:13,590
other liberal way where me
talking about something, my

1436
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,200
opinions on something, it's
absolutely worth saying because

1437
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:19,080
I only think you'd be scared of
that if, you know it's stupid,

1438
00:58:19,090 --> 00:58:20,230
but you don't want people to
know.

1439
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:23,000
So anyone listening to this is
like, no, no, no, don't say

1440
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:25,760
that, come here, we'll talk
about it and be like, well, why

1441
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:27,310
can't I say it?
Because what's gonna probably

1442
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,300
happen in that situation is
you're going to put your arm

1443
00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:32,610
around me and say, look, I know,
I know it's crazy, isn't it?

1444
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:34,760
But that that is the rule.
So you know.

1445
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:37,410
Yeah, I guess I'm more a fan of
open forums in general, because

1446
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:42,300
I think it does.
It does remove that chance that

1447
00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:44,810
you just gonna gasoline to think
of something in private and it's

1448
00:58:44,820 --> 00:58:47,520
a bit more like it's harder to
out someone in the public forum

1449
00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:49,310
when you want to just when you
actually want to be manipulative

1450
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,600
and gaslighting towards them.
True.

1451
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,280
So like you an open form, it's
like, well everyone's my

1452
00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:53,840
witness.
Yeah, everyone's my witness.

1453
00:58:53,850 --> 00:58:55,940
This is what I said.
Everyone else saw what I said.

1454
00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:59,200
And now what you've got to do is
argue against what I said rather

1455
00:58:59,210 --> 00:59:00,390
than trying to manipulate me
into.

1456
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,310
Things, yeah.
Or trying to convince everyone

1457
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,560
else I said something I didn't
because it was in a private

1458
00:59:04,570 --> 00:59:05,860
conversation.
That happens a lot.

1459
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:09,060
OK so I guess the furthest point
here that one of the last points

1460
00:59:09,070 --> 00:59:14,230
I suppose we're gonna make
before play little game is um I

1461
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,900
know you've got something you
wanna mention at the end as well

1462
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:18,400
about respect but the last point
on this social media kind of

1463
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:21,910
thing we we are we were drilled
when we when we trained to be a

1464
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,790
teacher and I guess social media
wasn't new but it was still

1465
00:59:25,860 --> 00:59:29,360
early on you know we're we're a
good let's say Facebook was

1466
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:32,860
found in 2004 we're a good 20
years into social media now it's

1467
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:35,080
it's changed a lot.
When we were training it was 10

1468
00:59:35,090 --> 00:59:37,790
years old, so still it was
developing, still it was at a

1469
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,600
certain point and at that point
it was very much no, no, no, no,

1470
00:59:40,610 --> 00:59:43,490
no, have everything private.
You shouldn't be able to, and

1471
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,460
there was even a have a train of
thought.

1472
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:47,380
That said, don't even have your
face in your profile.

1473
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:48,360
Picture.
Yeah, don't even have.

1474
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:50,120
It.
Yeah, well, don't have it for a

1475
00:59:50,130 --> 00:59:52,120
long time, but if you have it,
don't have your face and do a

1476
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:55,420
name that no one can find.
So like a lot of teachers now if

1477
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:57,500
you look online, they might use
their middle name as their

1478
00:59:57,510 --> 01:00:00,260
surname, because obviously, if
my name is Mr. Price, it might

1479
01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:04,320
be Dylan Black or, you know, it
might be your initials or

1480
01:00:04,330 --> 01:00:06,320
something like that.
So some things I don't know.

1481
01:00:06,330 --> 01:00:07,680
People I know.
Yeah, exactly.

1482
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:11,200
So if you see that on Facebook,
it's probably from that.

1483
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:12,800
We're not going to be found.
Most teachers do.

1484
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,090
But I think that's that's
changed a lot.

1485
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:18,920
And I guess what I'd say to you
is now that was drilled into us.

1486
01:00:19,350 --> 01:00:22,330
We put this podcast out into
public.

1487
01:00:22,340 --> 01:00:25,260
We have a Instagram page.
Yeah, absolutely open to the

1488
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:28,360
public.
On our, on our, on our podcast

1489
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:31,820
Instagram, we have a Facebook
page, which is our tutoring.

1490
01:00:31,930 --> 01:00:33,960
We have a YouTube, which is just
us.

1491
01:00:34,050 --> 01:00:36,820
Everything's completely open.
We are playing, we're playing

1492
01:00:36,830 --> 01:00:38,450
the role of teacher on our
tutoring videos.

1493
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:41,900
We are Mr. Price and Mr Stevens
who plan and deliver lessons

1494
01:00:42,050 --> 01:00:43,510
here.
We're kind of going even further

1495
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,330
into our personal life,
explaining what we're thinking.

1496
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:46,880
Yeah.
So you know, for all we know,

1497
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:49,220
some parents might literally
listen to this podcast and

1498
01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:50,940
genuinely you might enjoy it and
think it's cool.

1499
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:53,250
But yeah, I am the teacher of
their children at the end of the

1500
01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:55,500
day.
Have we gone too far?

1501
01:00:56,410 --> 01:00:58,890
I don't think so.
And do you know what's funny?

1502
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:01,640
I still think we are confining
ourselves in the rules because

1503
01:01:01,770 --> 01:01:04,960
we're still playing characters.
We're playing a character right

1504
01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:07,210
now.
We're not being me and you and I

1505
01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:09,730
know we're not because as soon
as this podcast ends, we'll go

1506
01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:12,620
back into real menu who swear a
lot and make stupid.

1507
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:16,080
Don't tell him this is fake and
we'll say things where people

1508
01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:17,200
look at.
I think we're weird.

1509
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:19,700
Yeah.
We're still characters and I

1510
01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:21,830
think that that's the
difference, that there is still

1511
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,030
a big difference between what
we're doing and true social

1512
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,710
media where you're just being
yourself.

1513
01:01:26,780 --> 01:01:28,620
Isn't everyone putting on a
character when I'm with

1514
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:29,840
different people I had
differently?

1515
01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:32,200
Like of course this this is how
I would act.

1516
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:35,040
Probably around 80% of my
colleagues at school.

1517
01:01:35,050 --> 01:01:37,320
Hmm.
I my acting then?

1518
01:01:37,330 --> 01:01:39,640
Or is that me?
Like, at what point is it not

1519
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:41,580
you?
Like, am I only ever me in front

1520
01:01:41,590 --> 01:01:43,640
of like, two people?
Social media, to me, right?

1521
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:45,040
It's like, it's just an
amplifier.

1522
01:01:45,090 --> 01:01:45,800
Sure.
It is.

1523
01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:49,140
Like, it is like just getting a
massive loudspeaker for your

1524
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:51,080
personal life.
So I kind of understand why,

1525
01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:52,940
like you know?
But we don't post on our

1526
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:54,050
personal pages.
Pages.

1527
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:56,370
No, I know other people do, and
I'm trying to talk about the

1528
01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:57,340
rules.
Complete.

1529
01:01:57,350 --> 01:01:58,790
I'm just saying for us.
Hmm.

1530
01:01:58,830 --> 01:02:01,180
You're absolutely right.
Like we don't actually post our

1531
01:02:01,190 --> 01:02:02,960
personal lives at all online.
Really.

1532
01:02:02,970 --> 01:02:05,240
No.
But we post a lot when it comes

1533
01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:06,810
to our characters we're playing.
Yeah.

1534
01:02:06,820 --> 01:02:07,820
Yeah.
And that might include our

1535
01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:08,600
personalised.
I get it.

1536
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:11,380
But like just going back to just
think about it more generally is

1537
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:13,400
not just me and you like the
social media policies A lot of

1538
01:02:13,410 --> 01:02:16,450
schools are very, very harsh
blanket like you cannot use

1539
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:18,240
social media based you cannot do
these things.

1540
01:02:18,250 --> 01:02:20,500
And if you do it has to be so
private that no one could ever

1541
01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:23,300
find you.
And I kind of get it in a way

1542
01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:25,290
because it because just because
it's an amplifier.

1543
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:27,440
Like if you're out in a
restaurant and you said

1544
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:29,410
something that really was
against the grain that people

1545
01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:31,580
might genuinely take a massive
offence to and disagree with you

1546
01:02:31,590 --> 01:02:32,580
like just my opinion, my
opinion.

1547
01:02:32,590 --> 01:02:33,870
But it's a bit on the line,
right?

1548
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,740
You're entitled to that opinion.
But you know as a teacher there,

1549
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:40,370
there is that professionalism
that we've talked about that in

1550
01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:42,800
a restaurant could be quite bad.
Someone seen your parents ever

1551
01:02:42,810 --> 01:02:44,750
heard you talk about this.
Imagine putting on social media

1552
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,230
where one, it's there forever,
it won't get forgotten in a in a

1553
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,790
week.
It's not only two people here at

1554
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,090
Heard, it's anyone that ever
wants to watch it and they can

1555
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,210
look at it forever.
That to me is like.

1556
01:02:53,220 --> 01:02:55,010
That's just such another level
of like.

1557
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:56,370
So it's protecting the teacher
and.

1558
01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:58,280
Saying yeah, I actually think it
is protecting the teacher.

1559
01:02:58,370 --> 01:03:01,270
I I don't think despite
everything I've said, I don't

1560
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,390
think social media rules of
teacher's about professionalism.

1561
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,790
I don't think they're
necessarily bad.

1562
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,650
I think sometimes they can go a
little bit over the top because

1563
01:03:10,660 --> 01:03:13,360
it's really what they're saying
is there's all probabilities,

1564
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:15,240
isn't it?
We don't trust you to control it

1565
01:03:15,250 --> 01:03:18,040
yourself like I do trust you but
but not really.

1566
01:03:18,050 --> 01:03:21,610
There's a chance maybe that one
time out of 7000 times you will

1567
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:23,990
say something or you'll get
really riled up in a

1568
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,270
conversation online and end up
saying something really harsh.

1569
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,880
It will go viral.
He's talking about.

1570
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,090
Me and you'll represent the
school because everyone think,

1571
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:32,850
oh, that's that teacher from
that school and it will be

1572
01:03:32,860 --> 01:03:34,660
terrible for us.
So much worse than if you just

1573
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:37,790
done it in public.
The person who taught us ICT

1574
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,900
when we were training to be a
teacher had the story of when he

1575
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:43,340
first started and first got
Facebook.

1576
01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:45,660
He was teaching obviously, and
Facebook first became a thing

1577
01:03:45,830 --> 01:03:49,440
and someone tagged him in a
post, they've been out in the

1578
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:52,590
pub and he was simply sat at a
table which had like 8 beers on

1579
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,520
it, right?
And he got tagged in the post

1580
01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:57,370
and he got pulled in by his head
and said, you're gonna have to

1581
01:03:57,380 --> 01:03:59,020
tell him to put phone down.
You're going to sound.

1582
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:00,580
Yeah.
And I think again, at the start

1583
01:04:00,590 --> 01:04:03,140
of social media, when there was
very much like, no, no, no, no,

1584
01:04:03,150 --> 01:04:06,380
no, nothing at all, Yeah.
And he told us that story and he

1585
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:07,500
was still of the opinion even
then.

1586
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:10,500
He was like, so guys, listen, if
you get social media, don't put

1587
01:04:10,510 --> 01:04:12,640
your face in the picture.
You see loads of people with a

1588
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:15,520
cat, you know, like you know.
Don't just scare tactics like

1589
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:18,540
that says to me, right Someone,
someone quite anxious could

1590
01:04:18,550 --> 01:04:21,580
interpret that as OK, never
going to a bar again in case

1591
01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:23,500
someone else takes a picture
complete with a pint.

1592
01:04:23,550 --> 01:04:25,070
Yeah, absolutely.
Not even me doing it at this

1593
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,340
point.
And that's what makes something.

1594
01:04:26,350 --> 01:04:27,530
Completely.
Legal, by the way.

1595
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:28,220
Yeah.
Yeah.

1596
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:30,890
Yeah, and very normal.
Maybe that's the line when it's

1597
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:32,980
when it's legal and socially
accepted.

1598
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,170
If it if, it ticks both of those
things.

1599
01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:37,040
But that's not professionalism
though, is it?

1600
01:04:37,050 --> 01:04:38,660
Because professionalism is a
made-up line.

1601
01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:40,530
We've put that's closer to the
grain than that.

1602
01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:42,230
Otherwise we wouldn't need a
line of professionalism.

1603
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,080
We just say legal.
So there there is, there is that

1604
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,080
the reason we have
professionalism is because we've

1605
01:04:47,090 --> 01:04:49,870
brought that line way back and
said yeah, and someone's decided

1606
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,960
and I guess this whole
conversation is who decides and

1607
01:04:51,970 --> 01:04:53,910
where should that line?
Be So what I'm saying is don't

1608
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,230
have it needs to be pushed more
back towards the legal thing

1609
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,550
maybe.
Maybe it's just closer, I don't

1610
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,580
know.
Maybe it's not quite on the

1611
01:04:58,590 --> 01:05:01,380
thing because is it?
Is it legal for?

1612
01:05:01,390 --> 01:05:04,530
Is it legal for me to get
blackout drunk and start walking

1613
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:06,740
the streets singing?
It's legal.

1614
01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:07,880
Don't actually drunk.
Thirdly.

1615
01:05:07,890 --> 01:05:08,750
Probably.
Not, maybe not.

1616
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,820
Yeah, actually, But yeah, OK,
maybe the whole social

1617
01:05:11,830 --> 01:05:13,640
generally.
Is it legal for you to swear?

1618
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,170
Of course it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1619
01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:16,300
There's there's a point.
Yeah.

1620
01:05:16,310 --> 01:05:18,430
Is it legal for me to get into
an argument with someone and

1621
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,760
start swearing at them?
Yeah, it's legal, but.

1622
01:05:20,770 --> 01:05:23,340
But if it was a parent, would
that go down well?

1623
01:05:23,350 --> 01:05:26,520
No, I think you should get well.
No, not really, because also in

1624
01:05:26,590 --> 01:05:30,340
I think in society we generally
think you're a bit of a even ask

1625
01:05:30,350 --> 01:05:32,920
if you if you're shouting in
someone's face and swearing, no

1626
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:34,600
matter how he did.
The We do think you're an.

1627
01:05:34,810 --> 01:05:36,760
Yeah.
So I don't know, maybe just a

1628
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:39,620
bit more towards the is it legal
and generally socially accepted?

1629
01:05:39,630 --> 01:05:42,260
Like, that's true though,
because I I'm a bit hot headed.

1630
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:46,000
I I get annoyed quick.
Like some people might get upset

1631
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:49,170
and some people might get more
reserved and timid or shy and

1632
01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:50,690
stuff.
I get annoyed really quick

1633
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:52,080
stuff.
I might read something about

1634
01:05:52,090 --> 01:05:54,900
what I think the politics thing.
They've heard Dylan's rants on

1635
01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:57,760
this.
And I'll I'll very quickly my my

1636
01:05:57,770 --> 01:06:00,520
emotion is anger.
And just like emotion might be

1637
01:06:00,530 --> 01:06:02,740
upset on my my emotion is just
annoyed.

1638
01:06:02,810 --> 01:06:06,880
And I know that that if I
reacted by getting upset by

1639
01:06:06,890 --> 01:06:10,330
something or I reacted to the
same thing by getting annoyed at

1640
01:06:10,340 --> 01:06:13,520
something, something really you
can't actually really control.

1641
01:06:13,530 --> 01:06:15,470
We've talked to loads about how
we talk to kids about how you

1642
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,920
can't actually control these
emotions.

1643
01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:17,660
Yeah.
Yeah.

1644
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:22,500
And there is a societal kind of
prejudice not prejudice.

1645
01:06:22,510 --> 01:06:25,400
But you you think you see one as
much worse than the other.

1646
01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:27,440
So don't get angry, but don't
get angry.

1647
01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:29,660
Ohh, you're upset and you meet
someone's upset.

1648
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:32,050
You immediately think, oh,
you're OK, could stem from the

1649
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:34,240
exact same thing and just be a
different chemical reaction in

1650
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:37,980
your brain and and and I guess
the point I'm making is yeah,

1651
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:40,060
but one is socially
unacceptable.

1652
01:06:40,070 --> 01:06:41,480
Yeah.
And you're going to face

1653
01:06:41,490 --> 01:06:45,080
pushback from that.
So should I be saying to

1654
01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:48,150
everyone, No, no, everyone else,
you're wrong and the same

1655
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,600
professionalism?
No, you're wrong.

1656
01:06:49,610 --> 01:06:50,960
I should be able to show
tattoos.

1657
01:06:51,090 --> 01:06:54,030
Or should I just accept that the
world won't change for me?

1658
01:06:54,070 --> 01:06:56,810
It's going to be easier for me
if I try and control my anger or

1659
01:06:56,820 --> 01:06:59,160
it's going to be easy for me if
I just cover up my tattoo.

1660
01:06:59,470 --> 01:07:01,740
Should I accept?
OK, that's how it is.

1661
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,410
Fine.
I disagree with it.

1662
01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:05,610
But I'm never going to change
society, society.

1663
01:07:05,660 --> 01:07:07,720
No, I think, I think you should
fight back.

1664
01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:08,850
I think you should make the
point.

1665
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,250
I mean, just a quick one on your
thing about anger, that I think

1666
01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:12,970
it's again, of course down to
probability.

1667
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:15,390
It's more probable that on
social media get into trouble

1668
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,810
than real life.
I get that's why there's more

1669
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:19,030
strict, it's more probable if
you get angry, you're going to

1670
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,750
end up being physical or violent
in general for people, right.

1671
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,810
I think that's probably why.
Yeah, completely differently and

1672
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:27,220
and absolutely and there's loads
of different angry, there's

1673
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:28,510
loads of different ways you get
upset.

1674
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,930
So there's obviously going to
be, you know, what people think

1675
01:07:30,940 --> 01:07:33,010
those things.
Can be for other people it was.

1676
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:35,410
And there's loads of stuff too.
We we actually need to finish up

1677
01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:36,270
this podcasting.
Ohh.

1678
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,770
We do our children swim.
Sorry.

1679
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:38,790
In 10 minutes.
Gosh.

1680
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,220
So.
In that case, we're gonna pay a

1681
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:43,950
very quick game.
We'll play the Jingle, then play

1682
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,670
game quick.
All right, guys, really quick

1683
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,610
game.
Because we do need to go.

1684
01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:51,650
We do actually see something.
Sorry to our friends a little.

1685
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,380
So I've got a game here we used
to play all the time with my

1686
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:56,490
friends because we're just used
to make up these silly games.

1687
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:58,070
Right?
And what would happen is you

1688
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,290
would have an animal and an
emotion.

1689
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,430
OK, so you know that.
So I've got in front of me two

1690
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,210
animals and two emotions and
they go together.

1691
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,610
So for example, you might have
an annoyed sheep or something

1692
01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:09,370
like that.
OK, so.

1693
01:08:09,380 --> 01:08:10,390
And then.
And then what?

1694
01:08:10,450 --> 01:08:13,540
You wouldn't know that I'd have
to make the sound of what an

1695
01:08:13,550 --> 01:08:15,030
annoyed sheet would make.
And you have to guess.

1696
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,410
And if you get it right, you get
2 points.

1697
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:17,470
Yeah.
If you get one, you get one

1698
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:18,740
point.
OK, that sounds good.

1699
01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:20,420
Me and James from need Financial
Planning.

1700
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:22,260
We we we talked about the other
day.

1701
01:08:22,270 --> 01:08:24,160
We like, we need to make it into
a board game because it's so

1702
01:08:24,170 --> 01:08:24,810
funny.
Yeah.

1703
01:08:24,819 --> 01:08:26,270
OK ready.
So let's see if this works.

1704
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,020
Joining our first.
So, so you you do the noise.

1705
01:08:28,029 --> 01:08:30,520
I do noise and you got a guest
and you get points based on.

1706
01:08:30,529 --> 01:08:33,439
We both get points based on.
Yeah, like how many you get.

1707
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:35,300
Guess at home play?
Along you get one point if you

1708
01:08:35,310 --> 01:08:36,840
get one right?
Either of them.

1709
01:08:36,850 --> 01:08:38,090
You get 3 points if you get them
both.

1710
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:39,319
Right.
So if I get emotionally.

1711
01:08:39,330 --> 01:08:39,979
Ready.
Here we go.

1712
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:41,410
Here's the emotion and the
animal.

1713
01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:42,600
Ready.
Yeah.

1714
01:08:44,069 --> 01:08:48,050
Right.
More, right?

1715
01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:52,350
Is it a sad cow?
One point and you get another

1716
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:53,649
chance.
Now for a bonus point, I got it

1717
01:08:53,660 --> 01:08:55,640
one more time.
OK, you got the cow ready.

1718
01:08:58,620 --> 01:09:02,490
Confused now?
It was a shameful couch.

1719
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:04,960
Just to be clear, we didn't pick
these ourselves.

1720
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:06,590
We use random generators.
So.

1721
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:08,649
Yeah, we don't get a chance so,
so I have to do 1.

1722
01:09:08,660 --> 01:09:09,189
Now.
Yeah, yeah.

1723
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:09,750
Cool.
All right.

1724
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,229
OK, Ready.
Yep, man.

1725
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,490
Is that excited, Chief?
No.

1726
01:09:15,710 --> 01:09:22,029
Is it zero point I suppose?
Right man.

1727
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,100
Is that a shocked goat?
Pretty much.

1728
01:09:26,109 --> 01:09:27,700
At one point, it's surprised,
Lamb.

1729
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:31,819
Ohh yeah.
I got one point, so one one

1730
01:09:31,830 --> 01:09:32,680
point each.
OK, ready?

1731
01:09:33,130 --> 01:09:34,140
Ready.
Yeah.

1732
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:40,010
Uh ohh.
Got another like sheep going on

1733
01:09:40,790 --> 01:09:43,000
an annoyed shape.
Neither of them.

1734
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:44,670
OK, there's one more time.
Ready.

1735
01:09:45,340 --> 01:09:51,370
Man, that's a different animal.
Do that again.

1736
01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:54,100
OK, Alright, ready.
Right.

1737
01:09:56,350 --> 01:09:58,600
What is that?
What is that?

1738
01:09:58,610 --> 01:10:02,100
A constipated?
A constipated goat.

1739
01:10:02,150 --> 01:10:05,360
No, it was a board toad.
A toad.

1740
01:10:05,610 --> 01:10:08,720
They have like a gutshot.
Ohh.

1741
01:10:08,730 --> 01:10:10,310
Next time you.
Next time you do it.

1742
01:10:10,770 --> 01:10:11,350
My last one.
Ready.

1743
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:12,160
Right.
Yeah.

1744
01:10:12,170 --> 01:10:20,920
Ready.
Ohh is that an annoyed me?

1745
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:23,020
Is kind of different.
Word.

1746
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:31,440
OK, an angry and angry bee.
Angry Wow, this stupid game.

1747
01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:33,390
I love it.
OK, And yeah, you can use that

1748
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,750
game in class by the way, to
practise vocab genuine.

1749
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,050
What?
I'll leave it with this What

1750
01:10:37,060 --> 01:10:39,320
emotions do you think our
girlfriends have knowing that we

1751
01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:40,670
are gonna be?
Slightly.

1752
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,620
Are they gonna be angry?
Lamas angry, I think.

1753
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:48,500
Why are they long?
Ago.

1754
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:52,080
And when they make a sound to be
like Ohh, is that a yeah.

1755
01:10:52,090 --> 01:10:53,480
We'll play that game right.
Let's go.

1756
01:10:53,550 --> 01:10:54,780
Bye everyone.
Thanks to this thing.

1757
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:55,600
See you next time.
Follow us.

1758
01:10:55,610 --> 01:10:57,300
Wherever you guys rate us.
Do everything.

1759
01:10:57,310 --> 01:10:58,800
And don't get us cancelled.
No, please don't.

1760
01:10:58,810 --> 01:10:59,360
No, No.
Bye.