April 7, 2024
Ep 57: Making The Most Of Your Time Off: Say NO, Prioritise Tasks & Stop Comparing!
Join us as we have a wide-ranging chat around making the most of your time off. As teachers, we get a LOT of time off. We know this isn't as straight forward as it sounds. We work HARD & have a lot to do. So, why do some teachers thrive in their time off, but others feel so bogged down. Toxic schools, comparing to our peers & teacher guilt all play a part. Listen to find out how to combat all of these! Follow us on Instagram: @teachsleeprepeatpodcast
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Hayden, should we do a
skit for a while? Can
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we do the skit that we
were just about to do in
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the first take, but now on
the second take? Yeah,
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but when the first take,
the skit was that, I
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wanted you to say no when
we'd come into, yep. No.
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Hello, welcome back to
another episode of Teach,
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Street, Repeat. My
name is Dylan. My
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name is Hayden. And
my name is Dylan. And
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how are you? I'm
good, thank you. You
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okay? Yeah,
I'm all right, yourself.
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I'm
fine, thank you. Welcome
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back to another episode of
Teach, Street, Repeat. My
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name's Dylan. My
name is Hayden. What
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was wrong with us? And
my name's Dylan. What
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are we doing? What
are we doing? Are
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you all right? How
are you doing? I'm
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sorry guys, we completely
wasted your time. It's
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the Easter holidays. Yeah,
so we've got enough time
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to waste, right? We're
gonna waste enough time to
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the Easter holidays. We
are absolutely loving life.
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But
before we get into today's
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episode, which is how to
make the most of the
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holidays, I think something
that's really quite
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important. Yeah,
we're doing it, aren't we?
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Making
the most of the holidays,
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we're doing a podcast and
introducing ourselves seven
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times in a row. Oh,
wow. You
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can tell we got a lot of
time in our hands, baby.
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Oh,
dear, anyway, are you all
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right? Yeah,
I'm good. We've
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had one week off already.
We're
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in the middle of the two
week holiday. I
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gotta tell you now,
straight away, everyone,
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listen, I bet you agree
that the two weeks is life
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changing. It's
so different to one week.
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Oh,
gosh, yeah. It
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is crazy how you can
switch off better. But
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we'll get into that later
on. Hayden,
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how has your week been?
You've
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been off? What
you've been up to, pal?
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Well,
I actually did something
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I've never done before at
this point of the year.
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Right?
I got my end of year
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reports done. Oh.
Really, really, really
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early. I
knew I was gonna, I
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planned this for ages. I
was like, I'm gonna do my
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end of year reports in the
Easter holiday. Cause
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I want - Must be a really
good reflection of the kids
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over the whole year too
far to the way through.
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Well,
no, no, no, because there
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was actually, in fairness,
we've left a little bit
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where we're just gonna add
in a little bit at the
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end. Just
one sentence. Yeah,
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just a little bit. And
in the last term, they
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were also good. Basically,
yeah. But
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look, we already have the
last parents evening. So,
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you know, in my eyes, it's
not many people out there
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just look at their last
parents' evening and go,
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okay, copy, paste that into
a document. Yep.
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And that is the result. I
did use them, because we,
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I don't know, schools are
different, but we write
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notes for parents' evening.
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they were really useful to
me for. I
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sat there with my notes
thinking, cause on our
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notes, we put things like -
Cause you don't know your
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kids at all. Yes,
I don't know, but no, it's
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like the stats. So
we quite often collate
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things like how much
they've read and they're
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doing their homework and
things. And
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it's like, if we've got -
Do you think that's a
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waste of time or not then?
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I'm on the side of, I
don't wanna make notes. I
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just talked to you about
the kids. I
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don't normally, I don't
normally do it. I've
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just been brought around to
doing it by not doing it.
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Someone
else does it for me.
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Someone
else writes notes. I
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don't know, I quite like
that. For
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the first time, they were
actually useful for the
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reports. Cause
I was like, oh, I don't
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have to go and, like when
I'm writing about each kid,
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I don't have to now go
and find these three
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different data. So
because they already exist
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from parents' evening, you
have used that to write
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reports. Yeah,
yeah, it was like, I can
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already tell straight away,
okay, do they read lots at
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home? They've
been doing their homework
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regularly. So
that time wasn't necessarily
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wasted. Cause
my point on that is, when
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it's just for parents'
evening, I sometimes feel
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like it's a waste of time.
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when you're sat in front
of the parent, and maybe
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for a report writing as
well, actually be interested
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to know what you hear.
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a lot of stuff that as
teachers, we say it
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parents' evening, or we put
in the reports, that I
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think is completely a waste
of our time. Yeah,
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yeah, 100%. Because
the parents don't care
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either. My
number, there's two things
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that come into this
category for me. Number
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one is telling the parents
how much homework they do.
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To
me is mad. That
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is genuinely like the
parents telling me how much
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maths I do in school.
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yeah, yeah. It's
like, oh, you have to just
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find out through the kid
and hope you're right.
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Because
I don't actually know how
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much reading you do at
home. Oh,
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did you know your child's
not reading? Yeah,
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I do, cause they live with
me. Oh,
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I have a home. Oh,
actually, then they are
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reading. I
just don't write it in the
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report, which is the only
thing, the book that you
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get every week to go off
because I'm guessing. And
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the other thing is when
you're at parents' evening,
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nothing cringes me more
than when you see a
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teacher sit there and say
to a parent, or they're
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doing really well with
their conjunctions, but they
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could very much work on
their front -to -back verbal
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clauses. And
the parents are just being
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polite and they're just
like, hmm. And
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they've got no idea what
you're saying. Complete
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waste of time, only in
parents' evening. However,
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I don't know, with reports,
is that information more
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useful then? No,
I guess, I don't know,
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because it's written down
like forever. It's
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a keepsake. I
suppose it's more useful in
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terms of, it's easier to
remember than when they've
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been sat there being told
that kid can't do
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conjunctions. I
don't know, I was quite
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particular with the reports
this time. So
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in the past, I have done
that thing where I've
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always ended up writing a
few sentences where I'm
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like, why am I writing
this? It's
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just jargon, it's rubbish.
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to fill the gap, mate.
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genuinely, that's what's
been in the past. I'll
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fill the gap with these,
just pointless. So
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I was really quite strict
this time with my general
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comments, which, if anyone
not in the report world,
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the general comments is
kind of like the one, it's
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not about a subject, it is
just about the child in
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general in the class. The
most important one, in my
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opinion. Yeah,
definitely, definitely the
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most important one. Spent
the most time on those.
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But
I just kind of wrote
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myself a bullet point list
before I started of the
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types of things I want to
mention. And
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none of them really were
about like specific parts
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of subjects. You
didn't mention how good
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they were at modal verbs.
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no, not at all, not in
general comment. I
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really just focused on
things like their behavior
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in class, what they've been
like as a person was like
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half the paragraph for
everyone. Just
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like what kind of person
they are. That's
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when you want to read as
a parent. Yeah,
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that's what I think, that's
what I think. And
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then if they had a
particular interest in a
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subject, like if I thought
actually that they really
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like, they loved our
history unit system this
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year, then I'll just put a
sentence in saying, oh,
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they really loved our
history, you know, perhaps
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there's an interest there
they can explore further.
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Do
you do that thing where
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you hand out to your class
like a pro -former of
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questions? Because,
but the point being, anyone
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again who's not in the
teaching mode, probably
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doesn't know what we're
talking about here. And
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if you're a parent, we're
opening your eyes at
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actually how reports work
here, because it's really
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hard to write off the top
of your head, really
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detailed, nice reports for
every single child in your
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class without a little bit
of help or a little bit
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of organization. But
again, I always find it so
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strange when you hand out
this pro -former and it
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might have questions on it
to the children, like what
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was your favorite subject
this year? Which
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project did you enjoy doing
the most? Who
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are your best friends in
class? All
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that kind of stuff. And
then you sit through and
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when you write a report,
you'll have that pro -former
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in front of you and you'll
put that information into a
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report. I
can see the benefit of it,
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but again, I don't like
doing it because it feels
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weird. It
feels really weird. It's
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basically like I'm not
writing it almost. It's
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the children writing their
own report. Yeah,
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and I'm pretending I knew
it. Yeah,
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and how useful is it
really for a parent to
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read who their kid's
friends are on a report?
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It's
been asked your kid. It's
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been lovely to see insert
name, socializing with
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insert name and insert name
that you forgot to change
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it. I
guess on that point, I
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guess I'm a hypocrite
because I don't like that.
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However,
the use of AI, I'm all
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for when it comes to
reports. And
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I think there is a slight
difference. And
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I think what we'll have to
do again, you can talk
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about briefly in a second,
but I think we'll do
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another whole episode on
report writing. I
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think we'll do a whole
episode around it. What's
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involved, the teacher's
perspective, maybe get a
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few perspective parents,
what they want to hear and
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stuff like that. So
if you do have kids at
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school or you're a teacher,
either perspective, do get
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in touch and let us know
your thoughts on reports,
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how you write them, how
you use them. But
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very quickly, Hayden, you
were telling me how you
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were using AI again. We
talked about this last
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year. It
was one of our biggest
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episodes about choosing AI
for reports. Big
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debate, not gonna get into
it now, but you used it,
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how did you find it this
time around? I
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just think it's so useful.
But
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I can fully appreciate and
understand the misconception
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around it though. Because
I remember last year
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someone said to me, just
on Facebook, a teacher, was
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like, I'll never use AI to
write my reports. And
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their point was, it's just
not personal. It's
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a computer writing it. And
my counter argument was,
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no, no, no, it's absolutely
personal because I'm telling
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the computer all of those
personal things. And
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all it's doing for me is
just putting it into a
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paragraph, like structuring
it for me. Which
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I continue to argue. I
think these are the best
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reports I've ever written
in my life because I was
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really able to focus my
time on thinking about the
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child. And
informally, what I did was,
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I used Teachmate AI, there
are other tools as well
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that do it, but I used
Mr. P's
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Teachmate. And
I literally just listed
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with commas in between very
informally, like didn't make
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any sense, just all of the
nice things about this
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child that I wanted to put
into the report. And
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if there were any areas
for development, you put
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them in as well. And
sometimes I won't, I just
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wanted, I literally just
wanted to say all these
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nice things. I
was like, no, this kid's
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just just, there's just
nothing to work on. Just
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need to carry on doing
what they're doing. And
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then I press a button, and
then it takes away the
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next 10 minutes of my
time, which is just
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formulating those things
into nice formal sentences.
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Because
you're not an author. At
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the end of that, that is
like an authorial, like,
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you know, skill set. It's
to beautifully present and
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be a wordsmith and make it
breedable. Like
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that's not actually part of
our job at all. You've
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done the part of your job,
which is knowing your
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children, writing what you
want to put in there. To
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me, genuinely, it won't be
long before it's seen on
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the same level as spell
check. Like
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no one now, if you write
down definitely and you put
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an A in the wrong place,
and spell check puts a red
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line and you click on it
and change it, no one to,
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bloody computer wrote that,
you don't know just about
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that. No,
it doesn't matter because
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you know what, I still
know what I want to write.
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Well,
I've got a question for
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you because this is what
someone said to me last
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year. I
have an answer for it, but
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I wanna know if you've got
something on top of it.
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And
I know the answer. No,
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no, just my opinion on
this, right? So
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they said, okay then, Mr.
Using
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AI, this person was not
happy that using AI. He
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was like, okay, anyone that
uses AI, I think it should
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stay at the bottom of the
report. This
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report was generated using
AI. Would
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you be happy to have that
on the report sent to
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parents? Okay,
would I actually care? No,
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but do I think it's
remotely necessary? Also
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no. I
would have no problem. I
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think if I had a problem
saying to a parent, AI
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helped me write these
reports, I think I
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shouldn't use it. So
I think if I have a
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problem letting parents know
that that was used, then
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that's something that I
shouldn't do. If
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I'm trying to hide that
fact. But
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I think I would have no
problem saying to parents,
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I used AI. I
think the problem would be
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on the end of the
receiver, of them having
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these misconceptions and
thinking that was wrong and
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them having a problem with
it. That
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would be annoying. But
I personally think if I'm
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happy to use AI to write
reports, I also think
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people should be happy to
say they used AI. I
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think that weird middle
ground of, I'm happy to
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use it, but I know I
shouldn't say it. Well,
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then you've got a
disconnect there. You've
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something's wrong. I
think it was a really
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loaded question because I
think it plays on the fact
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that the majority of
parents, especially last
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year when it was really
new, absolutely don't know
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anything about how it
works. And
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we'll just assume that it's
not personal when it's just
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a computer. It's
just generated your comment.
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So
I think I'd quite happily
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put AI has generated these
reports. If
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it also came with a bit
of understanding explanation
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on how exactly AI was
used. Because
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I think if a parent was
told what we've just said
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about how it's all this
personal things put into a
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place that we thought about
and typed up and then it
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just formulates it into a
paragraph for you, they'd
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be like, oh, that's nice.
That's
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fine. And
if they're not, it's sort
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of like, oh, I didn't
realize you were reading
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the reports to judge my
writing style. I
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thought you were reading
the report to find out how
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your child is at school.
Sorry,
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I'll make sure that my
writing style is the
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forefront of it. Or
if the AI somehow has like
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scandalled their books and
come up with the thing
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themselves, then that would,
to me, that would be an
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issue then, I think. And
I think maybe eventually
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people will start thinking,
that's not, like, I don't
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know. But
right now at this point,
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as the teacher, I have
full autonomy over what
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gets inputted into the AI.
Then
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the AI does its work, then
it gets an output, and I
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don't just put that in the
box and not read it. I
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read the output, then I'll
do any edits I need to.
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I'm
gonna say this a million
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times. I
don't think it's an issue.
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Because
I could imagine if there
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was an AI thing right
where it was just a couple
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of drop down menus that
was just like, are they,
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it was like scale of, are
they nice or not? Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
they work hard or not. One
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to seven. What's
that behavior like? And
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then you press a button
and it just makes up. It
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just like pretends as if
it knows, but that would
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be different. Well,
I'll tell you something.
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You've
essentially described what
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happened previously. I
know, I know. Which
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was like, you'd go into
Twinkle. So
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again, anyone who's got
reports of children is
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thinking, what a lovely
report. Just
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like, get like seven from
your class or me at all
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because what used to happen
beforehand. And
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I never did this, by the
way. And
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not everyone, by the way,
but a lot of people do
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this. No,
no, no, no, but a lot of
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people use it. And
do you know what? I
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don't actually want to rip
them at all because it's a
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horrible process that takes
so much of our own time
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and it made it quicker for
people. But
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I never liked using these
because what basically you
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would get is this Twinkle
document, let's say, it
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could be from anywhere, but
there were some on Twinkle
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that a lot of people used.
You'd
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go in and they would have
these banks of sentences.
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So
you would have these
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columns, let's say seven
columns to form each
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column's a sentence. And
it makes a paragraph at
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the end. So
you're on like the tab for
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maths, let's say. And
then in this first column,
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it will have loads of pre
-determined sentences about
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their place value knowledge.
And
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it might be fantastic at
place value, often pushing
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themselves to problem
solving questions. Good
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at place value sometimes
makes some mistakes with
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carrying numbers. All
the way down. All
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the way down to needs
adult support every day
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with place value, but
trying hard kind of thing.
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And
then you would pick a
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sentence from one manually,
go to two, pick a sentence
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from two manually. And
again, you're building it
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as the teacher, so you are
still putting what you
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think. But
it is very much more close
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to what you said, which is
just pre -determined
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procedural, the computer's
just completely working for
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you. Whereas
AI is such a good middle
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ground to me because I can
sit there with maybe some
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data or my own brain and
my experience of these
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children and just write
down, beautifully behaved,
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what's really well in the
group, has a lot of close
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friends. And
you can do specific things
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as well. Yeah,
has represented the school
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of football. Yeah,
I was even putting in
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things like, they've
developed a really nice
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friendship with and putting
a name in it. Like
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really, really personal
specific things. And
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it just put it into a
sentence for me. And
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if it didn't, and I'll
tell you what, one thing I
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would say is though, there
was not a single report
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that I'd just copied and
pasted though. Every
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single one, there was still
just a tiny bit of
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tweaking needed. Like
just the odd sentence taken
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out or a little thing
added in where I was like,
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I can't think of a way to
word this for the AI to
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put in. So
I'm just gonna write a
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sentence at the end myself.
But
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it cut out 95 % of that
time. Okay,
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here's a question to finish
off this report chat. You
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haven't used your AI for
reports now from last year
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and this year. You've
already said that you would
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rank them as the best
reports you've written.
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100%. But
my question to you is, do
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you feel like they are
more individualized than
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ever before? Yes,
definitely. Because
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in the past, I would just
get so burnt out from the
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sentence writing process
that once I get up to the
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23rd person that I'm doing.
Who
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they seem to be. Yeah,
genuinely, genuinely. It
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would just be, I'd
literally be either
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physically copying and
pasting someone else's
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report and changing names
and just few sentences or
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subliminally writing the
exact same thing. Cause
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there's only so many
different ways you can
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think of writing at the
same sentence about someone
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who's well behaved. Whereas
AI, just every single one
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was unique. They
are beautifully behaved.
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They
are amazingly behaved. Their
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behavior is beautiful. They
are amazingly, beautifully
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behaved. They
are behaved in an amazingly
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beautiful way. Yeah,
I think that's just a
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weird stigma around it. I
think report writing can be
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streamlined massively, kept
very personal, but AI can
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do the groundwork. And
you found Teachmate was
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good with that. Teachmate
was really good. Yeah,
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chat GPT, really good. Any
AI tools are just really
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good. I
think what Teachmate does
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is basically just takes, I
imagine it takes something
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like chat GPT and it just
puts it into an already
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structured way. It
just speeds up process a
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bit. Easy
to use. Cause
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I used chat GPT last year
and it was absolutely fine.
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Yeah,
it was cool. That
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was a nice little side
chat. I
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loved that. I
loved that. Yeah,
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so - We'll come back to
reports. Yeah,
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we'll come back to reports.
We'll
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do a whole episode on
that. Well,
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that was the episode
basically. What
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we'll do is we'll put that
15 minutes into your chat
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GPT and say, can you write
a script for an hour long
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episode? And
it'll be a brilliant
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episode. No
problem at all. It'll
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be quite funny to do that
one day. Yeah,
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really? An
AI episode. Like
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the way it's scripted.
Fully
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scripted. God,
I can't imagine doing a
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podcast scripted. Anyone
who's listed as podcast
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like for more than three
episodes, like you guys
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scripted. We
don't even plan it. You'll
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be pleased to know guys
that it's actually scripted
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right now. We're
reading everything. Every
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single word off a prompt.
So
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you'll be pleased to hear
that. So
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apart from that, I've heard
some news about you. Oh.
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Yeah. I
think, why is it we now?
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We're
in April. I
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think it was in February,
you said you were gonna
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join me on this No Sugar
Crusade. That
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was in January. That
was in January, was it?
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How's
that been going for three
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months? Oh,
well, you know, stuff got
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in the way. East
was great. I
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had a lot of East. I
mean, I really tried hard
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not to eat my Easter eggs.
Did
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you? I
tried hard. How
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many Easter eggs did you
get as an adult 31 year
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old man? Probably
like five. That's
468
00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,080
decent. That
was good. Yeah,
469
00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,500
they went in two days.
Past
470
00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,540
that, you'd be lucky to
get one, honestly. They
471
00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:04,800
went in two days. Two
days, two days gone. That
472
00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,120
is mad, innit? All
five. Yeah,
473
00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,640
really crazy. So
come on, what are you
474
00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,720
doing? Come
on. Okay,
475
00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:10,140
right. Hold
yourself accountable like
476
00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:12,480
you did last time and you
did absolutely nothing. So
477
00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,460
come on. I'm
sick of it, guys. I'm
478
00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:16,440
sick of it. I'm
putting on weight again.
479
00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,700
He's
losing weight. He's
480
00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,100
like two stone down. I
think if we both stood on
481
00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,560
the scale in January and
now, same amount of weight
482
00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,320
still between us. What
do you mean? I'm
483
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,240
around. Just
leveled out. Yeah,
484
00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:28,420
it's ridiculous. I've
put on like a stone since
485
00:16:28,420 --> 00:16:29,620
January. He's
lost his weight. Oh
486
00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:32,680
no, we'd be much lighter.
So
487
00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,620
I'm joining him. I'm
sick of it. I
488
00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,960
feel tired every day. I'm
just, yeah, constantly. I
489
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,160
wake up feeling absolutely
exhausted. My
490
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,780
favorite realization was on
the tired thing. And
491
00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:43,960
you'll know what I'm gonna
say because we said it
492
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,340
before. And
it was almost like an
493
00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:49,020
epiphany moment where I
used to feel so tired. I
494
00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:51,820
think what didn't help was
genuinely, and I know a
495
00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:54,220
lot of you guys out there
still do this and I know
496
00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:56,600
how tough it is, genuinely
working full time in a
497
00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,040
school during term time is
unbelievably exhausting.
498
00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:00,420
We'll
talk about that later about
499
00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:03,720
holidays and stuff. But
I used to then, okay, got
500
00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,660
to a Friday. I'd
have a really good night's
501
00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:07,020
sleep. Like
honestly, I'd go to bed at
502
00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:09,380
between eight and nine and
I wouldn't get a bed till
503
00:17:09,380 --> 00:17:11,000
10. This
was pre -Rory when we could
504
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,480
get up when everyone had,
we stepped all the way
505
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,839
through the night. I'd
wake up after 11, 12 hours
506
00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,700
sleep and still feel like
crap and still feel awful
507
00:17:17,700 --> 00:17:20,300
and still feel tired. And
at that point, I remember
508
00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:23,680
we talking, we said, oh,
it's not lack of sleep.
509
00:17:23,859 --> 00:17:24,960
That's
making me tired. There
510
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,720
are other reasons why you
feel exhausted and it's not
511
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,960
always just lack of sleep.
And
512
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,580
when we got enough sleep
and still felt terrible,
513
00:17:31,060 --> 00:17:33,620
ah, it's a horrendous diet.
And
514
00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:36,360
I tell you what, it's hard
to compare now because
515
00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,180
since I started No Sugar,
I've had a newborn and
516
00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:40,880
Rory's six months today, by
the way. Half
517
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,300
a year of Rory's crazy,
absolutely love it. But
518
00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:47,920
I still, I genuinely, at
any given point right now,
519
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,420
feel much less tired than
I used to when I didn't
520
00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:53,060
have Rory, but I was
eating crap. I
521
00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:55,280
feel horribly tired right
now. And
522
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,120
I'm already all day. Do
you know what I do? You
523
00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,860
actually do look tired. I'm
finding that I'm getting
524
00:18:00,860 --> 00:18:03,500
proper purple baggy eyes
every day, no matter how
525
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,040
much sleep I get. And
I'm like, yeah, it's diet,
526
00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,680
it's diet, it's sugar.
Sugar
527
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,780
is just so bad. So
what do you think about
528
00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:13,100
sugar? I
saw something recently, so
529
00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:14,900
I'm interested to your
opinion, do you think
530
00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:16,620
sugar's addictive? Do
you think you've got an
531
00:18:16,620 --> 00:18:19,100
addiction? Yeah,
yeah, I think. Because
532
00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:21,000
it can undermine other
addictions sometimes. I
533
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,200
think people worry about
that. That's
534
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,900
the big worry of it. We'll
come after that. I
535
00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:26,220
don't know if I'm addicted
to sugar, but I don't
536
00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:28,340
know, I guess I am, but
I'm addicted to chocolate.
537
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,800
Because
if you offered me a bag
538
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,720
of Harry Boe right now,
I'd be like, no. But
539
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,600
if you gave me an Easter
egg, I'd eat a whole
540
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,960
Easter egg right now. Right
this day, just for context,
541
00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:38,720
it's the morning right now.
I
542
00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,560
haven't even had breakfast
yet. It's
543
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,600
26 minutes past nine. And
I would devour an Easter
544
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,640
egg right now. But
I wouldn't even eat
545
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,380
breakfast, right? Do
you know what I mean? I
546
00:18:48,380 --> 00:18:50,800
see that as a problem, the
fact that I eat chocolate.
547
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,040
So
you're not actually hungry?
548
00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:53,340
You're
not actually hungry right
549
00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:55,860
now. But
my highest priority of food
550
00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:59,100
at all times in terms of
what I fancy eating is
551
00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:02,300
always, I'm not joking, it
is always chocolate first.
552
00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:03,660
Like
no matter what. So
553
00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:06,900
you made a good point now
of like, you wouldn't scoff
554
00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:12,400
a Harry Boe bag. You
wouldn't sit there with a
555
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,980
bag of one kilogram sugar,
scooping into your mouth
556
00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:16,660
like, I just really needed
to shiver. It's
557
00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:18,660
not an addiction like
drugs, like a class A
558
00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:21,520
drugs, like horribly, like
life -ruining, like
559
00:19:21,528 --> 00:19:22,680
addictive. Is
it like an amalgamation
560
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,920
then? Have
you seen this chocolate? Is
561
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,780
it like, because I know
exactly what you feel.
562
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:26,780
People
listening to this will know
563
00:19:26,780 --> 00:19:29,160
the same thing. They
really want some chocolate.
564
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,200
They
know they shouldn't, but
565
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,520
they're like, oh, do you
know what I'm saying? I'll
566
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,020
have a bit, I'll have a
little bit. And
567
00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:34,740
it feels unreal whilst
you're eating it. Like
568
00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:36,280
when it's in your mouth,
genuinely the texture and
569
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,840
you just chewing away and
you're like, oh, this is
570
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,920
just what I wanted. And
then how many seconds after
571
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,580
you've finished that
mouthful, do you revert
572
00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:47,920
back to a base? Yeah,
like 30 seconds. It's
573
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,000
such a small, whatever the
word is. Go
574
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,280
on, go on. I
don't know what that is.
575
00:19:52,420 --> 00:19:53,400
It's
a small, I don't know.
576
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:54,320
What's
the word? I
577
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,940
don't know. It's
chocolate. It's
578
00:19:55,948 --> 00:19:58,200
a small cool down. A
cool down of like, yeah.
579
00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,540
But
then I sometimes feel like,
580
00:19:59,660 --> 00:20:01,940
I feel worse. Like
it doesn't get me to the
581
00:20:01,940 --> 00:20:03,000
base. It
gets me to lower than the
582
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,880
base. I
want some more chocolate
583
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,800
still. Yeah,
then you get a massive
584
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,640
sugar high and they always
talk about, you know, sugar
585
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,540
highs and sugar dips and
that. Absolutely
586
00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:09,640
real. The
amount of times we've been
587
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,180
sat here doing some work
in our offices and I've
588
00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:13,780
just devoured some chocolate
and then half an hour
589
00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:16,800
later, I can't think. And
I just think, I need to
590
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,340
go and lay down. I'm
tired. It's
591
00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:20,060
terrible. Basically,
the crux of this story is,
592
00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:23,140
I need to grow up. This
needs to stop. It's
593
00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:24,920
actually ruining my life,
genuinely. And
594
00:20:24,928 --> 00:20:27,800
it's probably knocking years
off my life because sugar
595
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,740
is terrible. And
I'm eating way, way, way
596
00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:32,600
over the daily recommended
allowance of sugar every
597
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,020
single day. Do
you know, is it, someone
598
00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:35,900
said, I read somewhere,
maybe it was your Lauren
599
00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:36,840
actually was talking about
it. I
600
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,220
think it's, you're allowed
30 grams of sugar a day.
601
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,820
It's
tiny, whatever it is. 30
602
00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:43,220
grams of sugar. But
my point here is, that
603
00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:46,140
sounds, that sounds like
quite a lot of sugar every
604
00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:48,680
single day now that I
don't eat any sugar, right?
605
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,140
And
I'm sure I obviously have
606
00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:51,320
some sugar in other things.
I
607
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,840
don't eat sugary stuff. But
then, when you actually,
608
00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:55,980
honestly, you've seen this
before, we all work in
609
00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:57,440
schools, most of us have
listened to this podcast.
610
00:20:57,780 --> 00:20:59,420
You've
seen the displays where
611
00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:01,220
they have sugar cubes
underneath like the drinks
612
00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:04,400
and stuff. 30 grams of
sugar is genuinely a
613
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,140
quarter of an Easter egg.
Like
614
00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:08,320
it's, and I know, I get
it. I
615
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,160
get it when people are
like, oh, just enjoy
616
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,820
Easter, just have fun. I
completely agree, of course
617
00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:14,260
you should. And
if you have three eggs in
618
00:21:14,260 --> 00:21:15,920
a day, don't worry about
it. But
619
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,420
you know what, you might
be normal and then go the
620
00:21:18,420 --> 00:21:19,920
next two weeks without any
chocolate. I'll
621
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,620
do that 365 days a year.
It's
622
00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:22,900
gonna be Easter eggs, it'll
be other chocolate. But
623
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,980
I used to, on the way
from home, I used to nip
624
00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:27,820
into Tesco, pretty much
every day or the corner
625
00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,080
shop, right? Simply
to get snacks. Knowing
626
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,080
I had dinner soon. But
I was like, no, no, no,
627
00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:35,280
no, no, I want a whole
dime share bar of
628
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,360
chocolate. And
I'll eat it, right? I'll
629
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:39,960
eat it in the car from
the way home, sorry, from
630
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,800
the way from the shop to
home. And
631
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,380
it will be gone and I'll
get in and then I don't
632
00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:44,820
have to tell Lorna I had
any. And
633
00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:46,520
then I said, go on, that's
shit. I'll
634
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,880
eat my dinner anyway, then
I'll have a snack after
635
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,620
dinner. Or
I'll eat one half of my
636
00:21:49,620 --> 00:21:50,540
dinner. I
won't eat meat, because
637
00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:52,480
I'll be full then. And
I'll have some. It's
638
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,720
just such a cycle. And
do you know what you've
639
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,840
got to do sometimes? It's
just break it and just
640
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,600
don't do it. And
convince yourself, I have
641
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,740
an argument with myself
probably four times a week,
642
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,720
which is an argument
against myself. Because
643
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,680
I think, oh, I can't have
a bit, it's been long
644
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,860
enough, I can have a bit
of sugar, I'll have a
645
00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:10,440
chocolate bar. And
I have to argue with
646
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,860
myself at least four times
a week saying, no, number
647
00:22:13,860 --> 00:22:15,820
one, you simply don't need
it. Number
648
00:22:15,820 --> 00:22:17,560
two, it will not make you
feel better. And
649
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,140
number three, you will not
stop after you start. This
650
00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:20,840
is why I think it is an
addiction. Because
651
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,400
you know how like, if
you're addicted to anything
652
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,720
else, for example, the most
common addiction. Alcohol
653
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,120
in terms of the type of
drug. Alcohol
654
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,200
is a very, very, very
common addiction. And
655
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,100
it's like, you wouldn't go
up to an alcoholic and
656
00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:32,720
say, oh, well done, you've
not had alcohol for six
657
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,860
months. Here's
a little bit of it. Yeah,
658
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,520
yeah, yeah. It's
famously the opposite, isn't
659
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,220
it? Yeah,
like every alcoholic ever
660
00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:41,000
that's managed to stop
drinking alcohol will tell
661
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,120
you, they cannot have a
single one. Like
662
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,520
if they have one drink,
they will spiral. And
663
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,000
they always describe
themselves as alcoholic
664
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,620
still. Like
they could be sober for
665
00:22:48,620 --> 00:22:50,180
nine years. Like
I'm an alcoholic, I've been
666
00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:52,420
sober for nine years. And
I know, I don't wanna, I
667
00:22:52,420 --> 00:22:55,740
don't wanna, pretend that
me eating chocolate is as
668
00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:57,360
bad as that. It's
not as bad, I get it. But
669
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,460
there is a similarity in
terms of, for example, in
670
00:23:01,460 --> 00:23:04,220
January, I did the no
sugar for like two weeks,
671
00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:05,640
right? And
then it was Lauren's
672
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,780
birthday and stuff. And
we had a bit of cake, a
673
00:23:07,780 --> 00:23:11,140
bit of chocolate cake. The
second I ate one single
674
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,300
piece of chocolate, I
spiralled and I lost it. I
675
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:14,800
lost it. And
I've done that multiple
676
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,380
times in my life where I
don't take it seriously.
677
00:23:16,660 --> 00:23:17,640
Which
is why I said to you,
678
00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:19,600
because the other week
Dylan was around and you
679
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,700
were gonna eat a cream egg
or something like that. I
680
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,160
was like, I was probably
not going to, but I was
681
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,380
as close as I'd been in.
Yeah,
682
00:23:26,420 --> 00:23:27,840
and I could tell you were
quite close. And
683
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,020
I was just really brutal
with you. And
684
00:23:30,028 --> 00:23:31,860
I was like, no, no, if
you do that, you'll put
685
00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:33,560
all your weight back on
within three months. That's
686
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,060
my bet. I'll
put money on it. You
687
00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,160
didn't say three months,
mate. You
688
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,120
said like three weeks.
Yeah,
689
00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:38,480
whatever I said, you know.
But
690
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,620
I was being serious. And
I think you take it
691
00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:43,040
seriously as well in terms
of knowing that. Because
692
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,360
it's true. It's
true. We're
693
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,180
terrible. I
am addicted to chocolate.
694
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,540
We're
in our thirties now, it's
695
00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:49,400
a pattern for us. Okay,
it's a pattern. We've
696
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,740
been chatting about this
long enough now. I
697
00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:53,620
think anyone listening, if
you feel the same way, let
698
00:23:53,628 --> 00:23:55,380
us know. Because
is it just us? I
699
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:57,680
don't know. But
like I genuinely have a
700
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,680
problem. And
I have to, I spend some
701
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,900
point every week arguing
against myself, don't do
702
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:06,060
it, because you simply
don't need to. Simpler
703
00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:06,960
as that. It's
really hard. I'm
704
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,600
going to give it a go and
we'll keep it accountable.
705
00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:10,440
Yeah.
We'll see how it goes. We
706
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,000
will, we will. I
love this. This
707
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,360
intro is turned into like,
not even an intro. Yeah,
708
00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:16,160
it's brilliant. I
think for this episode,
709
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,100
what I'll do, I'm going to
revert back to our old
710
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,280
little three parts and just
we'll talk about all three
711
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,520
different things. Oh,
that's nice. Yeah,
712
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,580
because then, you know, get
more people listening. Guys,
713
00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:26,240
if you love this episodes,
which I know you do, if
714
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,980
you listen this one, if
you've listened to 25
715
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:31,020
minutes of this absolute
tosh, then you obviously
716
00:24:31,020 --> 00:24:32,580
love listening to the
episode. Can
717
00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:34,580
you please give us a
review on Spotify? And
718
00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:36,260
can you please get in
touch with us on Instagram?
719
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:37,520
It's
the place to be. Okay,
720
00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:39,680
go to Instagram, send us a
message, get involved in
721
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,100
the polls, and like
literally everything on meme
722
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:44,720
I've made ever. My
most recent meme was linked
723
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,280
to what we're going to
talk about today. It
724
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,080
was a Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire meme. And
725
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,580
it was fun doing it,
because obviously I've been
726
00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:53,000
on a real thing. So
it was - You've been on
727
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,240
the real thing? Oh,
I didn't, sorry. I
728
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,400
wasn't going to actually
mention it, but - Dylan's
729
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,960
been on Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire. Sorry,
730
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,960
I need your help. I'll
tell you what, that
731
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,100
question that I made, much
harder than my 125 ,000
732
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,400
-pound question. I
got the question. Honestly.
733
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,200
But yeah, so we're going
to talk in this episode
734
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,280
all about how to make the
most of the summer
735
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,400
holidays. School
holidays. Yeah,
736
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,980
yeah, the summer holidays.
I
737
00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:17,140
wish it was the summer
holidays. The
738
00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:18,520
school holidays in general.
And
739
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,020
have a little chat, because
there's perceptions, there's
740
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:23,460
ideas, and teachers spend
it very differently. So
741
00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:25,560
I think it's going to be
a nice chat. Shall
742
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,800
we play the jingle here?
Cue
743
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,200
it. Come
on, pal. Don't
744
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,300
touch me. Oh,
welcome back. I
745
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,160
hate when he touches me.
Welcome
746
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,400
back, guys. You
really thrown me off now.
747
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:38,600
I
don't have to say. Yeah.
748
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440
Oh, God. Dylan
earlier, so I've got to
749
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,960
say this. I
know what you're going to
750
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,900
say. When
he got here to come
751
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,120
record. I
was waiting for him, and I
752
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,540
just happened to look
outside my office window,
753
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,060
which goes out to the
front of the house. And
754
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:53,840
I'd looked out and just
saw his car there, and I
755
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,780
saw him in it, just
looking really like grumpy.
756
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,040
And
looking at my house, and I
757
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,720
was thinking, what's he
doing? I
758
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,860
was just staring at him,
thinking, I want to look
759
00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:03,120
up and see me, and he
just didn't move. I
760
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,660
was like, what is he
doing? It
761
00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:08,540
was ever so slightly,
lightly raining. You
762
00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:10,160
know when it's like that
fine mist rain? It's
763
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,920
not even raining, really.
It
764
00:26:10,928 --> 00:26:13,600
was raining. And
Dylan, I lose my phone,
765
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:15,060
thinking, he's clearly going
to text me, or he's going
766
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:15,880
to tell me what's going
on. And
767
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,280
he texts me saying, I'm
not getting out of this
768
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,660
car till that front door
opens. I'm
769
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:20,820
like, get to the front
door, because it's raining.
770
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,200
I'm
not going to want to walk
771
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,180
in the rain for more than
three seconds. Who
772
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:27,580
wants to walk in the rain?
I
773
00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:30,400
hate the rain, and I hate
the wind. April
774
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,800
is the worst month. Oh,
April showers. It's
775
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,760
not funny. It's
horrible. And
776
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,380
the wind as well. Oh
my God. Just
777
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:38,440
can you just, I don't mind
if it's hot or cold,
778
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,440
because I can dress
appropriately. But
779
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,880
if the wind is blasting 40
miles an hour in my face,
780
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,320
I can't do anything about
that. You
781
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,760
be you mate. The
main time, pit pitter
782
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,300
patter. Who
wants pitter patter, pitter
783
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:48,800
patter, pitter patter on
their neck? Anyway,
784
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:50,680
join us after the jingle,
where we're going to talk
785
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,640
about the school holidays.
OK,
786
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,620
we've laid some ground
rules. Hey,
787
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,220
there's not going to touch
me anymore, and we're not
788
00:26:57,220 --> 00:27:00,360
going to talk about bloody
rain or wind. Anyway,
789
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:01,740
guys, we're here. We're
going to talk about the
790
00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:04,020
holidays, because we are in
the middle of the Easter
791
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:05,940
holidays. And
for me, if I was to rank
792
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:08,400
the holidays in order,
Easter holiday probably
793
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,820
comes top two. Yeah.
I'd say it's up there.
794
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,460
Chris,
nice. It's
795
00:27:12,468 --> 00:27:15,820
needed. No,
I put summer first. Yeah,
796
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,340
summer first, obviously. Oh,
right. I
797
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:18,580
see. No,
no, no. I
798
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:22,840
put, in my opinion, I
genuinely put summer, then
799
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,660
Easter, then Christmas. I
suppose why? Why
800
00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:26,200
am I? Because
the further through the
801
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,720
school year, the more burnt
out I feel. Yeah,
802
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,480
true. Simple
as that. And
803
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,160
I think right now, I
absolutely love these two
804
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,640
weeks, because I also feel
like the two weeks are
805
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,300
completely within my
control. Whereas
806
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:38,480
Christmas, yeah, you get
two weeks, but. Busy.
807
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,680
But you're not, though, are
you? Because
808
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,940
you have to go and do
stuff. Like,
809
00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:42,780
you don't actually have a
choice, man. Christmas.
810
00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:45,220
Yeah. Yeah.
Christmas, Christmas -y.
811
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:46,280
There's
all that to fair. There
812
00:27:46,288 --> 00:27:47,320
is lots of stuff on.
There's
813
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
just not, I feel like with
these two weeks, I have
814
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,420
complete control of the two
weeks. I
815
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:53,060
can manage what I'm going
to do. I
816
00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:55,120
can schedule stuff. And
we're going to talk about
817
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:56,420
that in a second, how to
make the most of it. But
818
00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:59,320
I would say my top three
holidays of the school
819
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,040
year, summer holidays number
one, Easter holidays number
820
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,640
two, Christmas holidays
number three. I
821
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,480
agree. I
agree. I
822
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,380
agree. And
normally, I wouldn't even
823
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:06,720
do reports in Easter. I'd
actually have a proper
824
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,980
break. But
the only reason I'm doing
825
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:10,760
it is because in the next
half term, we're going to
826
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,840
Center Park. So
I thought, do you know
827
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,940
what? I'm
just going to try and get
828
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:15,420
as much done as I can and
just have that two weeks
829
00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:16,380
off. I
might join you. I
830
00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:18,420
might join you as well. Or
I might not. At
831
00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:20,540
Center Park. You
are invited. I
832
00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:22,840
might do my reports at
Center Park whilst you're
833
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,400
off paying 700 pound for a
15 minute skiing, like dry
834
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,040
ski experience. Let's
talk about Center Park
835
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,820
another day. Anyway,
making the most of
836
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:35,580
holidays. Yeah.
So the first question to
837
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:37,080
you is, what do you
actually do in the
838
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
holidays? Because
we kind of had a little
839
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,000
five minute chat before
this because we knew we
840
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,140
were going to talk about
the holidays. We
841
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:46,760
spent a good like 60
seconds in our own head
842
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,840
trying to think what we've
done in these other days
843
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,320
that's already happened. So
for you, you get to the
844
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,400
end of a long time. You're
a little bit burnt out.
845
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:56,080
You've
been working hard. We
846
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,180
all know teaching is crazy
in terms of the amount of
847
00:28:58,180 --> 00:28:59,320
overtime we have to do.
And
848
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,620
it's not just a nine to
five job. It's
849
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:04,400
really intense for a good
six or seven weeks. You
850
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,240
finally get to your
holidays. What
851
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,840
are you doing? First
couple of days, I try to
852
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,500
do absolutely nothing. And
by nothing, I don't mean
853
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,580
just laying in bed all day
because we can't now. We've
854
00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:19,360
got kids. And
the version of nothing now
855
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,460
is just like, we had a
home day the other day.
856
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:22,880
Well,
I said to Lauren, I was
857
00:29:22,888 --> 00:29:25,620
like, can we just, let's
just, can we just not go
858
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:27,160
and see anyone or do
anything today? Because
859
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,900
we, so we quite often
we'll take her out and go
860
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,120
to my mom's or her mom's.
I
861
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,060
was like, can we just stay
at home and just chill
862
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:35,320
out? I
just want to sit down for
863
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,800
a bit. So
a couple of those days. I
864
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,040
mean, I thought it's
different because I think
865
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,380
with us because we've got
our business as well. We
866
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:43,100
don't really get a break
with that. No.
867
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,240
Like we're kind of just
nonstop grinding the
868
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,780
business a bit. So
I feel like there's always
869
00:29:47,780 --> 00:29:51,620
something to do. But
I know pre -business. I
870
00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:53,440
would try to have a break.
Yeah,
871
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,420
I don't know. I
guess we can talk about
872
00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:59,380
the difference between pre
and after kids. I
873
00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:02,060
think pre kids, when the
holidays came round, I
874
00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:04,200
absolutely loved the
complete freedom it gave
875
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,520
me. And
I think we shouldn't
876
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,560
pretend as teachers that we
like to talk doom and
877
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,860
gloom. I
like to talk doom and
878
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:10,960
gloom. I
like to complain about
879
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,860
things. Yes,
of course. But
880
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:14,120
we have to sometimes, and
I think holidays is one of
881
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,320
those things, we simply
have to just admit that
882
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,860
it's bloody good. And
it is, we are lucky to
883
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:21,560
get these holidays. And
I know that people are
884
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,460
burnt out and I know we
need them. People
885
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:25,160
always say, yeah, but we
need them because we do,
886
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,020
we work so hard. Correct.
But it's also still bloody
887
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:29,280
good. And
there's still a lot of
888
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,860
people who do a lot of
overtime. And
889
00:30:30,868 --> 00:30:33,360
I know it's not the same
overall as teaching. People
890
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,960
might be listening to this
as teachers, be like, oh,
891
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:36,920
you can't say that. It's
like, well, I can. Can't
892
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,540
I? Because
the holidays are bloody
893
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:40,580
good. And
I don't know. I
894
00:30:40,588 --> 00:30:43,160
feel like pre -kids
especially, when the
895
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,800
holidays came around, I
absolutely enjoyed cordoning
896
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,580
off time. That
was a big thing for me.
897
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:50,400
And
I'm thinking how to make
898
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,660
the most of the summer
holiday, any school holiday.
899
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:54,380
It
would be taking, I'm going
900
00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:55,560
to say some holidays, hold
up. To
901
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,680
make the most of any
school holiday. For
902
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,840
me, I think it's about
really controlling your
903
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,420
time. And
I think you have to cordon
904
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:07,080
off things and say, okay,
I'm going to plan when I
905
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,940
do stuff. So
I know I've got work to
906
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:11,160
do, a little bit of work
to do. I
907
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,000
know I've got time where I
just want to decompress.
908
00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:13,820
And
I know I've got time where
909
00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:16,280
I want to see family. To
me, they're friends. They're
910
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,000
three very different things.
And
911
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,380
I think it's so important
to just decompress as a
912
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:24,320
teacher and have those days
where you are not at a
913
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,020
beck and call of anyone.
And
914
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,020
it's interesting, how did
you find that with the
915
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:30,020
baby? Because
before the baby, you could
916
00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:32,520
very easily just sit in
this room, play a game for
917
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,040
three hours, go downstairs
and watch Simpsons for
918
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080
three hours. The
day where you just do
919
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,240
yourself. Can't
do that now. How
920
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,920
do you find the difference
now that we've got the
921
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,960
youngsters? Like,
can you actually switch
922
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,020
off? Did
you feel like you switched
923
00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,280
off? A
little bit, but you have
924
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,420
to plan. You
have to properly plan
925
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:46,920
ahead. Like,
I was talking to Lauren
926
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,620
saying that I want to do
the reports this term, this
927
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:50,740
half term. And
she was like, okay, in the
928
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:52,980
past, it would have just
been, oh, just any old day
929
00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,220
where we wouldn't do
anything, just get them
930
00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:55,460
done. Just
we'll work on them across
931
00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:56,580
a couple of days. She
was like, but this time
932
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:58,900
she was like, okay, can we
put a date in the diary
933
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:00,500
with them when you're going
to do the reports? Because
934
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:01,980
otherwise we're just going
to be waiting around, like
935
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:05,420
maybe do stuff with her or
it's not as fun now. Just
936
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:07,260
staying indoors all day
when you've got a child
937
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:09,720
that will start screaming
if you don't do things. So
938
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,600
we, I finally have to be
a bit more organized now.
939
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:12,600
I
actually planned. So
940
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,460
I did. I
was like, okay, I'm going
941
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:15,200
to do my reports on this
day, by the way. Oh,
942
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,580
when you're going out for
this thing, so perfect. You
943
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:19,680
go and do that. Go
and see my family. And
944
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,300
I'll do my reports. I'll
say what happens. It
945
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:27,800
really cracks me up. Hayden
stays at home and we'll
946
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,080
say, like, we'll be talking
in the group chat and then
947
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,020
your girlfriend, Lauren,
will say, oh, I'm going to
948
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,400
Hayden's mum's. Right.
And I'll be like, oh,
949
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,060
that's nice of the three
of them. And
950
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:39,120
then, and then like half
an hour later, I'll jump
951
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,200
on my computer and you're
playing helldivers too. I
952
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,740
thought you'd go, take his
mum's. No,
953
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,520
no, no, no, no. Lauren
and River go and see
954
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,140
Hayden's family without
Hayden. Now
955
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:51,040
I was, I never do it to
play a game. I'll
956
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,440
do it to do. Oh
yeah. All
957
00:32:52,448 --> 00:32:53,460
right. Get
stuff done. All
958
00:32:53,468 --> 00:32:54,600
right. I'll
write my reports. Basically,
959
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,040
she went to a family
gathering of my family.
960
00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:59,980
What
sort of birthday was it? I
961
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:01,960
was like, well, you go to
that and that'll be a
962
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,540
perfect time for me to
write reports. In
963
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:05,180
my head, it was a win
because I was like, I
964
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:08,540
don't have to go to the
family gathering. That's
965
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:10,380
the end of it. Horribly
unsojourable. And
966
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:13,000
also, if Lauren goes to
that, who will enjoy it
967
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,680
more than me anyway, I can
also get my reports done,
968
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,420
not in a time where we're
actually going to be
969
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:19,060
together, like doing our
own thing. So
970
00:33:19,060 --> 00:33:20,820
that it was a win -win. I
got a question on that
971
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:22,580
because it's linked to the
holidays, but also linked
972
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:25,320
to having a kid. Right.
Do you feel like in either
973
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,380
of the situations, the fact
you have a child or the
974
00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:30,260
fact you're on school
holiday, do you feel like
975
00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:35,060
people kind of feel like
they owed you time? Well,
976
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:37,980
you're on holiday, so come
and see this. Come
977
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:39,780
and do this. Oh.
You've got time. Or
978
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:41,340
you've got the baby now.
I'm
979
00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:42,540
going to come over and see
the baby. And
980
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:46,600
it's like, am I no longer
in control of what I do
981
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,780
with my time? I've
not really experienced that,
982
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:49,200
but I am quite stubborn.
Yeah.
983
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:51,980
And I think I've built up
the people know that I
984
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:54,620
should be like, no. No,
you don't want to go away.
985
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,520
Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. No,
986
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,220
I've not personally
experienced that. I
987
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:59,260
think sometimes in the
holidays, it can be, well,
988
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,220
you're off. So
can you come and do this
989
00:34:01,220 --> 00:34:02,520
favor for us? Or
can you? You're
990
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,820
off. I
don't know. I
991
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:05,200
don't personally feel that
way. I
992
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,420
wondered if you did,
because I hear a lot of
993
00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:08,540
people say that kind of
thing, where, you know,
994
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,540
there's a perception, isn't
there, of teacher holidays
995
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:15,260
where, you know, lazy bunch
of buggers who you've been
996
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:16,000
on strike. Yeah,
I get taken the mick out
997
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,860
of all the time, my
family, but oh, on holiday
998
00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:19,380
again. Not
working again, are we?
999
00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:21,260
Classic
teachers doing nothing. And
1000
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:23,000
that's even worse when we
only work three days a
1001
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,400
week. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. It's
1002
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,159
not a good one, but
there's a massive perception
1003
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,480
out there. I
think if you find anything
1004
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,960
on Facebook, anything on
any forum, right, that
1005
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,139
says, oh, just talking
about teacher holidays, you
1006
00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,880
look at the comments, 90 %
of them will be people
1007
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,179
complaining that teachers
get way too much time off
1008
00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,139
and the job was way too
easy. They're
1009
00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:43,780
just getting all this time
off, like, why wouldn't you
1010
00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:44,719
want to be a teacher?
Well,
1011
00:34:44,739 --> 00:34:46,719
think of their perspective,
if they've got kids who go
1012
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,120
to school, they've got to
work, but now suddenly
1013
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,659
they're kids at home for
two weeks. And
1014
00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:53,239
their teachers off. That's
really annoying, isn't it?
1015
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,940
Really?
Like, let's just switch up
1016
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:56,320
for a minute. And
again, I know the vast
1017
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,100
majority of our listeners
are teachers and stuff, but
1018
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,000
let's just be realistic for
a minute. Let's
1019
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,420
just switch it up. Why
wouldn't they feel
1020
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:04,480
resentful? Why
wouldn't they? They're
1021
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,920
not fully informed about
what the job's like. Well,
1022
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,120
that's just going to say
that's why they shouldn't
1023
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,800
feel resentful, just to get
informed. Yeah,
1024
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:11,640
but even if they were
informed, there's going to
1025
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,060
be a lot of individuals
out there who are like,
1026
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:15,640
yeah, I do 60 -hour weeks.
Yeah,
1027
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,200
yeah, I work bloody hard.
I
1028
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,580
work 60 -hours a week. I've
got a 40 -hour contract and
1029
00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:21,640
I do 15 to 20 hours
overtime every week to make
1030
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,580
ends meet. And
now my kids offer two
1031
00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:25,340
weeks and I've got to find
childcare, which means all
1032
00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:26,280
the overtime is pointless.
So
1033
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,820
I've got to pay someone to
the car for my kids. Yeah,
1034
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,440
yeah, yeah. And
you're getting time off.
1035
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:30,540
And
you go on Facebook and the
1036
00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:32,140
teachers complain in whilst
having a glass of wine at
1037
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:34,420
home about, oh, I've got
to do some planning this
1038
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:36,400
week. Yeah,
so I don't know. Where
1039
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,080
do you stand on that? Do
you think, you know, are
1040
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:45,040
working parents justified in
their annoyance? No.
1041
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:46,820
Do you not? No,
I don't think so. I
1042
00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:47,760
don't think they're
justified in their
1043
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,000
annoyance. Why
not? At
1044
00:35:49,008 --> 00:35:50,760
teachers on a personal
level, which is what it
1045
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,060
is. Sure.
I think they can be
1046
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:54,720
justified in being
frustrated by the education
1047
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,600
system, which means they
have to look after their
1048
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,260
children for a couple of
weeks. I'm
1049
00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:01,760
not even saying that in a
sarcastic way. But
1050
00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:02,860
there's a lot of people
who say that as well.
1051
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,700
Don't
have kids if you can't
1052
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,340
look after them. So
that's not really the
1053
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:06,920
sticking reason. No,
and we've built a whole
1054
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,560
society around it. Like,
I can understand the
1055
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,100
frustration of we've got to
a level in society where
1056
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:16,000
both parents have to work
50 hours a week just to
1057
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,340
pay rent or a basic
mortgage on a low -cost
1058
00:36:19,340 --> 00:36:21,720
house. And
they can't and it's not
1059
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,760
even built in that they
can have the school
1060
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,760
holidays with their kids
without having to take some
1061
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,020
financial hit. I
get it. That's
1062
00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,400
really frustrating. That's
probably going to annoy us
1063
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,240
at some point. I
don't know. It
1064
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,540
depends what we do at that
time. If
1065
00:36:32,548 --> 00:36:34,940
we leave teaching and we
have our, we obviously have
1066
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:37,220
our children and they're
off school for two weeks.
1067
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,720
And
it's like, well, I can't
1068
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,340
not work and Lauren can't
not work. So
1069
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:44,360
either we've got to hope
and pray that we've got
1070
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,820
someone who can have them
for two weeks or take a
1071
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:49,260
holiday off where we only
get four weeks and you're
1072
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:51,580
predetermining this. And
by the way, I'm off when
1073
00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:53,940
everyone else is off and
stuff's more expensive. I
1074
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:55,580
can't have no control
anymore. But
1075
00:36:55,587 --> 00:36:57,940
it's annoying. But
going online and then, and
1076
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:00,440
then getting annoyed at
teachers on an individual
1077
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,680
level for their, for,
because they get a job
1078
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,560
where that holiday is
predetermined. We
1079
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,800
didn't choose to go on
holiday. We
1080
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,300
chose this job, I think
partly because the holidays
1081
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:10,340
are so good. And
they're normally not even
1082
00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:11,140
getting annoyed at that.
They're
1083
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:12,860
getting annoyed at the idea
that teachers are
1084
00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:14,920
complaining about their job
in any aspect because of
1085
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,140
this. That's
where I'm like, no, it's
1086
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,100
not justified. Because
I think that's just selfish
1087
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:20,720
thinking. It's
just classic. Oh,
1088
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,280
it's a race to the bottom.
My
1089
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,740
experience is bad. So
how dare you? I'm
1090
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:26,880
assuming your experience is
not as bad. So
1091
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,240
how dare you complain about
it? It's
1092
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,160
like, you just don't
understand the nuances of
1093
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,300
being a teacher. There's
the reason hundreds of
1094
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:33,980
thousands of teachers
complain about it and get
1095
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:36,580
upset about it and burn
out and quit. It's
1096
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:39,180
probably, probably because
it's true. And
1097
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:41,660
maybe it is actually tricky
and maybe those holidays
1098
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:46,360
don't justify the workload
that you as a non -teacher
1099
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,100
might think. Do
you know, I just, I don't
1100
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,120
know. So
I don't think it's ever
1101
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,820
justified. I
think the frustration is
1102
00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:53,560
understandable. But
I think the slagging off
1103
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,340
teachers because they're
complaining, they're trying
1104
00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:58,420
to make the job better.
That
1105
00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:01,020
is the ultimate comeback
for me is like, okay,
1106
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,960
whatever you think about
the job, right, whatever
1107
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,220
you think based on whatever
your experiences are, you
1108
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:10,280
can't say it's easy. You
can't say it's Christy
1109
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,360
simply because if it was,
you'd be doing it. Yeah,
1110
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,120
that's the best one. And
we wouldn't be leaving in
1111
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,240
droves. Like
it's not even an argument.
1112
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440
It's
not even up for debate
1113
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,540
that this is an easy job.
Constantly
1114
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:25,340
in the top three for the
most stressed professions in
1115
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:28,200
the whole country ever.
Constantly
1116
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,260
having a problem with
recruitment. So
1117
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:33,060
it's not even viable enough
to get people to come in.
1118
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:34,180
It's
that people don't want to
1119
00:38:34,180 --> 00:38:36,240
get into the job. And
also people already in the
1120
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,000
job, people who have
already moved up the
1121
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,240
ladder, by the way, and
have actually got to what
1122
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,080
we would describe as a
okay salary. And
1123
00:38:42,087 --> 00:38:44,520
experience the holidays. And
experienced the holidays and
1124
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,780
done the job. I
saying this is too much.
1125
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:48,000
Goodbye.
Yeah, still. There
1126
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,540
you go. It's
not an argument anymore.
1127
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:51,260
Yeah.
Basically every single ex
1128
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:53,940
-teacher that I know has
unanimously said that
1129
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:55,760
whatever their new job is,
is so much better for
1130
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,860
mental health and workload.
Yeah.
1131
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:59,620
And the same thing for we
always, we talk about Paul
1132
00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:02,620
sometimes in this podcast,
who had a career before he
1133
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:04,560
got into teaching. Paul
and I trained at the same
1134
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960
time. And
I just always remember in
1135
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,300
that year of training where
I kind of brushed it off
1136
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:10,740
and I was like, oh, okay.
Well,
1137
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,480
you know, that's what I
want to do. But
1138
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,880
he would constantly say,
you don't understand, this
1139
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,480
is not a normal job. He
did a normal job. He
1140
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,680
worked 40 hours a week. In
fact, he didn't because he
1141
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,000
used to have Friday
afternoons off, very
1142
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,640
classic. You
know, he would work all
1143
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,380
week and then Friday, he'd
clock off at like one or
1144
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:27,240
two. Go
home early, pick the kids
1145
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,800
up from school, take them
home, have a dinner
1146
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,400
together and stuff like
that. And
1147
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,620
he had earned more and he
would not take any work
1148
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,360
home. And
he just said it's
1149
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,360
completely different. It
is not comparable. So
1150
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,860
I agree. I
mean, I'm being a bit of
1151
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:42,940
devil's advocate here
talking about it, but I
1152
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:43,820
don't think it's justified.
I
1153
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:45,380
think you have to have a
bit of critical thinking
1154
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:47,420
every now and then and
think you cannot simply
1155
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:49,040
just point to these
holidays and say, well,
1156
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,280
it's easy. It's
like, you're allowed to be
1157
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,380
annoyed by the holidays and
what it impacts you. Yeah.
1158
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,300
Without being annoyed at us
as teachers. I
1159
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,320
don't think we don't even
need to go into detail
1160
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,220
about how teachers do work
in the holidays. I
1161
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:00,340
think that's so commonplace.
Everyone
1162
00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:02,620
knows that now. And
everyone, everyone spouts
1163
00:40:02,620 --> 00:40:04,020
that rhetoric all the time.
Oh,
1164
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:05,360
I'm working in the
holidays. Yes.
1165
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,900
Okay. We
all know that. So
1166
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,620
do you think everyone works
in the holidays? Do
1167
00:40:09,627 --> 00:40:11,600
you think it's just, yeah,
all teachers, because
1168
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,640
everyone says it like that.
All
1169
00:40:12,647 --> 00:40:14,340
teachers, we've always got
tons of work to do in
1170
00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:16,880
holidays. I've
got two main points to
1171
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440
make here about teachers in
the holidays. And
1172
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,460
again, I love talking to
the listeners like this
1173
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,660
every now and then because
I think about who our
1174
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:24,520
audience are. I
know our audience are
1175
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,160
predominantly teachers, but
I know we've got a big
1176
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,120
following of people who
aren't teachers. I
1177
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,760
love just opening this up
to people because this is
1178
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,820
what I think about
holidays. Essentially,
1179
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,760
if you break it down as a
teacher and the work you've
1180
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,080
got to do in a holiday,
okay, my first point is it
1181
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,300
is not remotely comparable
from teacher to teacher. So
1182
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,140
if you've got one teacher
coming up to you and
1183
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:48,220
saying, I've not got any
work to do this half -term,
1184
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:51,460
you cannot then take that
as gospel and say, well,
1185
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:53,420
teachers don't even do
bloody work in the
1186
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:54,860
holidays. This
might, I've got a friend
1187
00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:56,920
who's a teacher who
genuinely doesn't do any
1188
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,180
work in the holidays. So
therefore, they will, what
1189
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:02,000
a cushy job. No,
because we've talked about
1190
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,240
this a million times. It's
the lucky day. The
1191
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,360
conclusion a lot of people
say draw from that is that
1192
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,200
that one teacher that's not
got any work to do in the
1193
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,380
holiday is clearly doing
their job efficiently and
1194
00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:12,980
right. And
everyone else therefore
1195
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:15,400
isn't doing their job
efficiently and right. Yeah.
1196
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:17,320
And that's just not true.
And
1197
00:41:17,328 --> 00:41:20,880
again, the layers to this,
because there'll be people
1198
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,060
in the same school, right,
who do a varying different
1199
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:28,260
amounts of work, right? But
it, and that is down to
1200
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:29,860
the individual teacher a
lot of the time. Okay.
1201
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:32,300
Cause the expectation might
be exactly the same, but
1202
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,600
there'll be one teacher who
simply feels like they have
1203
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,000
to for whatever reason, or
simply wants to do some
1204
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,200
work in the holiday. But
there'll be another teacher
1205
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,640
who thinks, right, I know
I've not got to do it.
1206
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,180
Yeah.
Cause I know I can do it
1207
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:44,820
in my PPA in the first
week back, or I've already
1208
00:41:44,820 --> 00:41:46,500
done it in my PPA because
I wanted to clear this
1209
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,620
schedule. Teaching
is very autonomous for a
1210
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:51,620
lot of teachers as to when
they want to do their
1211
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:55,040
work. However,
what does not help, and
1212
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,800
I'm going to move on to
this point very quickly
1213
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,620
because we've established
it's down to what school
1214
00:41:58,620 --> 00:41:59,900
you're in. It's
down to what's expected of
1215
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:00,980
you. It's
down to what kind of
1216
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:04,920
teacher you are. I
also don't think we should
1217
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,980
ever, as people who aren't
teachers or people who are
1218
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:12,540
teachers, take someone's
word for gospel and, and
1219
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:14,080
compare. I
don't think we should
1220
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,120
compare. I
don't think that the amount
1221
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,940
of work someone does in
their holidays should ever
1222
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:20,700
be a barometer for the
amount of work everyone
1223
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:23,020
should do. Whether
that's someone not doing
1224
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:24,720
any work. So
no one should do any work
1225
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,300
ever in the holidays.
Nothing
1226
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,200
annoys me more than when
someone who's not even in
1227
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,540
the classroom turns around
and says, oh, don't do any
1228
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:35,060
work in the holidays. What
do you mean? Because
1229
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:37,580
I've got to teach on
Monday when I go back. So
1230
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:40,640
how can that happen unless
I've got some work to do?
1231
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,500
Or
similarly, there might well
1232
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,140
be an SLT in a school
that I work for that have
1233
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:48,160
expectations of me to do
something. And
1234
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,640
I know my life will be
hell if I don't get it
1235
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,200
done. And
I'm in this toxic work
1236
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,700
environment. And
you saying to me, oh,
1237
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,800
don't do any work, it's
going to make me more
1238
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,780
stressed. That
doesn't help me. So
1239
00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:59,600
I think it's really
unhelpful sometimes when
1240
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,140
people try and be genuinely
nice. It
1241
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:04,260
doesn't actually help
because, you know what, as
1242
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:06,580
a teacher, I know what
work I've got to do. And
1243
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:09,100
it might be a bit. And
it might be nothing. Or
1244
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:11,020
it might be a lot. I
know how much I want to
1245
00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:12,300
do. I
might want to go above and
1246
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,300
beyond and make this
amazing display. Or
1247
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,400
I might want to invent
this new way of doing
1248
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,760
times tables because I got
inspired by watching this
1249
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,040
reel on Instagram. And
I thought, wow, that'd be
1250
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,680
brilliant. And
I wanted to spend my time
1251
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,520
doing it all power to
them. Well,
1252
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,240
if we go back eight years,
right, if we could just go
1253
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,860
and look at ourselves eight
years ago and look at
1254
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:34,500
these holidays, we would
see us to working almost
1255
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,020
every day and loving it.
Yeah,
1256
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:39,740
exactly. That's
the important thing. And
1257
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:42,320
you know, and that that's
not the case now. It's
1258
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,680
different. You
know, our lives have
1259
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,700
changed massively since we
started teaching and our
1260
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:48,220
interests have changed
massively. But
1261
00:43:48,227 --> 00:43:50,640
eight years ago, I would
have, I didn't, I didn't
1262
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,500
want anyone to come to me
eight years ago and say,
1263
00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:54,700
don't do that. And
like belittle me for
1264
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:57,300
choosing to go above and
beyond in my job. I
1265
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,940
was really enjoying it. And
I was in that honeymoon
1266
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:01,420
period of teaching where I
did live and breathe it.
1267
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,060
My
life was, I was a teacher.
1268
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:04,200
That
was my whole personality at
1269
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,000
that point. And
I loved it. And,
1270
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:08,680
and that's okay. I
don't think we should stomp
1271
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,860
on people who do that.
It's
1272
00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:12,520
like Dylan was saying, the
problem with with culture
1273
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,400
in in education that's so
toxic is we use that as a
1274
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,760
bar setter all the time in
teaching. And
1275
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,240
it's so annoying. Like
some more experienced
1276
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,080
teachers listening will know
this because you've seen it
1277
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,000
happening. We
saw it happen against us
1278
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,680
when we were young. Like
we'd have teachers wouldn't
1279
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,240
be in the staff room. You
especially you because
1280
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,520
you've always hadons of
workhorse. You've
1281
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,600
listened to this podcast,
you know, and, and he was
1282
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,780
when he was younger, my
goodness, he'd spent every
1283
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:37,600
hour under the sun working.
But
1284
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,600
you would have this really
cool thing that you'd make
1285
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,240
for everyone. Right.
But, but you would see the
1286
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,560
older generation in staff
meetings, genuinely rolling
1287
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,200
their eyes and huffing. Oh
my God, why? Okay.
1288
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:49,120
It's great. Because
you know what happens and
1289
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,760
everyone's seen this. I've
seen this in every school
1290
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,440
I've worked at, by the
way, this is just a
1291
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,100
generic thing. And
it's human nature. Someone
1292
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,460
does something above and
beyond. And,
1293
00:44:57,540 --> 00:45:00,160
and it'll be mentioned by
someone else even in a
1294
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,000
meeting saying, well,
actually, you know, let's
1295
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,400
say you're Lauren, you're
Lauren, whenever they do,
1296
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,460
you know, we're trying to
keep track of reading.
1297
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:08,380
Yeah.
You're Lauren, she writes
1298
00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:10,700
every single word count up
on the board. So
1299
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:12,680
they can see and she'll
change it and update it
1300
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,640
every day. And
it's not really cool.
1301
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,660
That's
awesome. And
1302
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:16,900
it is genuinely really
good. And
1303
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:18,920
it's like, yeah, you know,
that is gonna, that does
1304
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,680
like give them a little
carrot and they can see
1305
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,700
how many words they've
read. And
1306
00:45:21,707 --> 00:45:24,000
that's awesome. And
then someone like, yeah,
1307
00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:24,960
why don't we all do it?
And
1308
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,840
it's like, oh, what do you
mean? It's
1309
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,520
nice. Yeah,
because it is another 10
1310
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,060
minutes on my day every
day. And
1311
00:45:32,067 --> 00:45:33,440
do you know what, if
Lauren wants to do that,
1312
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,300
because that's part of her
culture in her classroom,
1313
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:36,980
and she wants to encourage
reading in that way. And
1314
00:45:36,988 --> 00:45:39,400
she, and that is bloody
brilliant. Yeah.
1315
00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:42,520
Is that is that hinge
there where we turn and we
1316
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,820
go, why don't we all do
that? Yeah.
1317
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,380
Oh, the baselines are the
bars higher. Yeah.
1318
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:47,920
And that is a perfect
analogy. You've
1319
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,920
got to imagine that
happening 10 fold all the
1320
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,260
time in education. It's
completely unregulated. Every
1321
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:54,280
school is different. Like
it's got it's got so mad
1322
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,580
now that, you know, it is
a gamble where you work.
1323
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:58,960
You
can't even work it out
1324
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,960
now. Like
what your work is going to
1325
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,760
be like, unless you
literally go and speak to
1326
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,600
the people that work there.
And
1327
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,980
they're honest with you.
There's
1328
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:06,080
a gamble you can go work
somewhere where that bar is
1329
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,920
already just up here.
Because,
1330
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,640
you know, they got a few
people that work really
1331
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040
hard, great. But
SLT like cool, that's the
1332
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,580
expectation now. And
then you've got other
1333
00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:15,800
places where SLT are way
more understanding. They're
1334
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,860
like, no, no, no, here's
the baseline. Thank
1335
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:19,420
you for going above and
beyond this individual
1336
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:21,380
person. This
is still the baseline for
1337
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:22,780
everyone else though. So
you know, you need to at
1338
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:24,620
least do this great idea
over here. If
1339
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:26,780
you fancy doing something,
it might have a good
1340
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:29,080
impact. Still
the baseline though, you
1341
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,820
know, and it comes twofold
though, like you do get
1342
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:34,720
from the top down, that's
the worst, that's the worst
1343
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,320
version of it, where the
top down, there'll be
1344
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,420
someone in charge who'll
see something and go, we're
1345
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:40,660
all doing that from
tomorrow. That's
1346
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:43,000
fantastic. It
might be fantastic, but
1347
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960
it's just unreasonable to
have that no kind of we
1348
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,260
talked about the workload
balance kind of task force
1349
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:50,780
that would go completely
against that because it
1350
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:52,700
wouldn't be balanced against
time. We
1351
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:54,660
wouldn't if you're going to
introduce something new like
1352
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:56,100
that, I think you have to
look at something that
1353
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:57,280
isn't working and drop it.
And
1354
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,920
then teachers don't mind
doing new stuff. I
1355
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,680
love doing new stuff. And
I think it's a real
1356
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,460
misconception even amongst
other teachers. And
1357
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:06,200
I've had it personally
before where I've said,
1358
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:10,820
guys, we cannot do this
change unless we're going
1359
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:13,620
to drop something else. And
I've said before, we have
1360
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:16,680
to, I've said to the whole
staff team that I worked
1361
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,180
with before, we have to
realize that me as a year
1362
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:23,540
four teacher in our current
setup of how we do sets
1363
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:27,060
and classes. And
you, Hayden, in a year
1364
00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:28,980
six, and the way you do
your sets and classes and
1365
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:32,480
expectations, what we need
to do is not pretend that
1366
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,060
this is equal. Let's
not pretend. Let's
1367
00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:37,080
not do this thing that all
educators do where we just
1368
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,240
kind of nod and go, oh,
well, I'm in year six this
1369
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,160
year. And
I've got sets where I've
1370
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,460
got to do all my own
planning. But
1371
00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:45,340
in year four, we share
work, load for English, and
1372
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:47,700
we don't have the satch
preparation. Let's
1373
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,420
not pretend that's the
same. Let's
1374
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:52,800
not pretend that over the
holidays, it might be in
1375
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,320
some schools that the
expectation is that year
1376
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,220
six teachers do satch
boosters. The
1377
00:47:57,220 --> 00:47:59,780
expectation is that you've
got to plan the workload
1378
00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:01,700
for planning maths and
English is usually bigger
1379
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:03,460
than the workload for
planning anything else. It's
1380
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:04,900
so intricate and there's so
much. So
1381
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:06,900
when year six are doing
more maths and English than
1382
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,060
anyone else in the school,
they're also planning more
1383
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:10,360
than anyone else in the
school. They're
1384
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,540
also assessing more than
anyone else in the school.
1385
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Let's
not pretend then that in
1386
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,820
the holidays, we have an
equal hit. So
1387
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:20,900
we have to be outwardly
saying this is happening.
1388
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,300
Let's
tackle it. Let's
1389
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:23,440
not accept it. I
can give you some real,
1390
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,960
real context for this,
right? Which
1391
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,260
is depressing, really. I
was messaging my head of
1392
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:29,420
year. So
I'm in year six, as you
1393
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:31,480
just said, that wasn't, and
that was real. That
1394
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,300
was real. Yeah.
And I was messaging my
1395
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:34,860
head of year, who's also a
really good friend of mine.
1396
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:36,880
And
we were talking about
1397
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,580
reports because she'd
noticed that I'd, she was
1398
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:39,940
like, you've done your
reports already because
1399
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:42,140
you've seen them on the
system. Yeah.
1400
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,420
And I was like, yeah, I've
been working on that. I
1401
00:48:43,428 --> 00:48:44,600
hadn't finished at that
point. So
1402
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,680
yeah, I'm going to get
them finished this holiday.
1403
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,460
And
then I was just saying to
1404
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:48,620
her, I was like, yeah, you
should really consider it.
1405
00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:50,020
Like
it'd be like, I've used
1406
00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:52,420
this tool and it's been
great with this new system.
1407
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,620
We've
got our school. You
1408
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,300
should think about getting
yours done as well. Like
1409
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,520
it rather than next half
term. And
1410
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,820
her response genuinely was,
I won't have time. And
1411
00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:04,460
it not because she's doing
things, but because her
1412
00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:07,180
whole Easter holiday is
already filled up with, oh,
1413
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:08,420
not because she's in
personal things. No,
1414
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,240
no, no, no, it's already
filled up with other work
1415
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:11,960
to try and get ahead on.
Planning,
1416
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,620
and, and sat's basically is
encompasses all of that a
1417
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,380
little bit of marking catch
up as well. And
1418
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:20,360
I just thought, oh man,
imagine how many of you
1419
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,160
are. There's
only one reason, by the
1420
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,840
way, that she is doing
marking catch up when you
1421
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,040
aren't. It's
because when you were doing
1422
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,220
marking before, she was
doing something else. Yeah,
1423
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,360
yeah, yeah. Because
again, that comparison about
1424
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,320
between the year groups,
even in the year group,
1425
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,400
the comparison between my
workload and my head of
1426
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,740
years workload is
incomparable. It's
1427
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:39,660
she's doing stupidly more
work than I am for, you
1428
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:42,680
know, pennies more because
the pay is terrible in
1429
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,240
teaching in terms of like
extra responsibilities.
1430
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,280
They're
like, oh, here's a thousand
1431
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,600
pounds for the whole year.
It's
1432
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,260
laughable. There's
like 50 hours extra a
1433
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:51,940
month and I'm getting it's,
it's, it's about 50 quid a
1434
00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:53,440
month after tax. Yeah,
yeah, stupid. And
1435
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,680
it is, is laughable. And
you look at, you see how
1436
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,780
much stuff costs a minute.
I
1437
00:49:56,780 --> 00:50:00,320
think overall the point
there is you cannot compare
1438
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,860
teacher to teacher. You
cannot compare school to
1439
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:04,500
school. You
cannot compare within a
1440
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:06,780
school. And
I think we are as a, as
1441
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:09,580
a, as a profession, we
sleepwalk into these
1442
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:11,220
problems and ignore them.
And
1443
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:13,420
I think as soon as we as
a profession understand
1444
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:17,080
that, you know, we actually
can have control because I
1445
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,920
was really shocked. No,
I don't know. It's,
1446
00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:20,380
I'd be interested in what
people think about this
1447
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:22,100
because I was really
interested, I guess, and
1448
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:23,880
shocked. Let's
say shocked because I was
1449
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,580
when the response to me
saying that. So
1450
00:50:27,580 --> 00:50:29,920
I, I said, this is not an
anecdote. This
1451
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,040
is really what happened.
And
1452
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,080
we were talking about well
-being. Our
1453
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,480
school is fantastic in my
opinion, especially recently,
1454
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,920
we've gone through it off
-stead. We
1455
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,440
all know it was a really
tough time for teachers. A
1456
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,720
lot of planning, a lot of
workload. And
1457
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,080
there's been a real push
now post off -stead,
1458
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,960
especially to be like,
right, we really want to
1459
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,940
get it right because we
know our workload went up.
1460
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:51,880
And
everyone in the school
1461
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,380
understands that SLT to the
bottom. We
1462
00:50:54,388 --> 00:50:56,240
all know that. So
everyone now is on the
1463
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:57,820
same page trying to fix
that. And
1464
00:50:57,820 --> 00:50:59,640
we were, but one of our
staff meetings was simply
1465
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,160
about well -being. And
it wasn't one of those. We
1466
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,900
did some yoga and got head
massage. It
1467
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,520
was actually, let's sit
down. There's
1468
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,720
no SLT involved. Open
forum. Open
1469
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,720
forum. Let's
talk about it. And,
1470
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:11,480
you know, my eyes lit up
because that's the, these
1471
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,960
are the moments that we
don't always get as
1472
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,980
teachers. And
I've worked in schools
1473
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:15,400
where this would never
happen. And
1474
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,400
we were very grateful. And
what that was exactly my
1475
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,160
point was, I was just
saying to people, you know,
1476
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,340
we want to change, let's
say we want to change
1477
00:51:24,340 --> 00:51:27,220
English completely now. And
they'll be head of English
1478
00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:30,180
who are doing a fantastic
job at doing research,
1479
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:33,900
going to training, getting
evidence informed. Cool.
1480
00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:37,700
Fantastic. What
we can't do though, and I
1481
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,360
was saying to everyone, we
can't just say to people,
1482
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:44,020
willy -nilly, the English
leads now have just decided
1483
00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:45,640
we're going to change
everything. Because
1484
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,000
the problem of that is,
okay, cool. Well,
1485
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,740
I'm the math's lead. We're
the math's leads together.
1486
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:51,380
We
could have been
1487
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:53,620
simultaneously planning to
complete the overhaul times
1488
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:56,860
tables in the school. And
we would have the trust in
1489
00:51:56,860 --> 00:51:58,560
the school to just do
that. And
1490
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,200
it's a really good level
of trust that we've got.
1491
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:00,760
And
we could do that whenever
1492
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,420
we want it. But
also, by the way, the
1493
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:05,600
afternoon curriculum that
we've just spent ages
1494
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,840
planning has made some
tweaks, which means every
1495
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,920
single lesson is tweaking
now. All
1496
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,620
of these things happening
at the same time is
1497
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:15,560
unbelievably tough for
workload. And
1498
00:52:15,567 --> 00:52:18,020
that is where we need to
step back, look at the
1499
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:19,380
workload reduction thing.
And
1500
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:21,900
we need to, as a whole
school, look at what
1501
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:24,300
everyone wants to do, plan
it out in a way that's
1502
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:26,460
systematic and spread out
and doesn't overload
1503
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:29,280
workload. All
of that everyone kind of
1504
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,740
agreed with, I think. But
what really shocked me, and
1505
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:33,540
I want your opinion on
this, was there was a bit
1506
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:35,860
of pushback when I
mentioned that there's a
1507
00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:37,700
difference between year
groups. There
1508
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,260
was a bit of a pushback
where, like, I just said,
1509
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,200
but it is like hours and
hours of work. And
1510
00:52:43,207 --> 00:52:46,240
let's not forget, guys,
this is work. And
1511
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,200
we all have a fantastic
attitude to wanting to help
1512
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,360
children as much as
possible. But
1513
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,340
until we kind of break
down that barrier of, this
1514
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,300
is a job, though, right?
And
1515
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:58,460
I'm getting paid as a
eight, nine year experience
1516
00:52:58,460 --> 00:53:00,540
teacher, the same as you.
I
1517
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:02,120
know we're slightly
different, we're a year or
1518
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,560
more experienced, but let's
just say we're the same,
1519
00:53:03,820 --> 00:53:05,720
right? We're
just at the same level. We
1520
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,540
both take home however much
money every month. But
1521
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:13,200
we then just pretend that
it's okay that someone else
1522
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,760
does 10 hours more work a
week. That's
1523
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,860
not okay. And
someone else said, but, you
1524
00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:21,400
know, we can't start
tallying up hours and
1525
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,180
comparing it. And
I was like, yeah, we can.
1526
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:25,980
We
can, though, can't we? We
1527
00:53:25,988 --> 00:53:28,120
just, we just don't have
this culture of, oh, well,
1528
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,720
you've been put in year
six, you've got to work
1529
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,780
hard this year. Oh,
you and year three, I
1530
00:53:31,780 --> 00:53:35,840
think having not taught
year six properly, from my
1531
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,640
point of view, year three
is the hardest year I've
1532
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,400
ever taught in a junior
school when they come up
1533
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,960
for an infant school. It's
so hard. It's
1534
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,020
so mentally draining. And
they were like, well, it's
1535
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:45,220
more mentally taxing doing
other jobs rather than the
1536
00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:47,140
amount of time you put
into something. Okay,
1537
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:48,620
cool. Maybe
we are getting into the
1538
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:51,140
realm where it's hard to
compare them. But
1539
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:55,700
we absolutely can just say
that I have two hours of
1540
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:57,580
planning a week and you
have six hours of planning
1541
00:53:57,580 --> 00:53:59,760
a week. That's
not okay. And
1542
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,200
that's not my choice or
your choice. Yeah,
1543
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:03,800
that's not okay. Yeah.
No, not really. In
1544
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,040
a real job. Think
about it. I
1545
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,260
always do the test going
out, G, which is, you
1546
00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:08,280
know, you've got two
employees in the same
1547
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,720
thing. Oh,
you've got to stay for
1548
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,100
hours. You've
got to do six aisles. I've
1549
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:12,580
got to do two. Yeah.
Yeah. And
1550
00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:13,960
that's not even that.
That's
1551
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,760
more like, okay, if you
want to use really quick
1552
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,940
loading, still go home at
the same time, maybe, but
1553
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:19,880
it's more like, no, no,
you're working till 10,
1554
00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:21,160
you're working till six.
Oh,
1555
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,100
am I getting paid more?
No.
1556
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,780
Because by the way,
everyone in this analogy
1557
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:27,000
actually works from half
eight till half four. And
1558
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,840
then it's just pot luck
how much work you have to
1559
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,600
do after that. Yeah,
it's pot luck. It's
1560
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,020
unbelievable. And
it goes to all of those.
1561
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,920
We've
gone off tangent a bit.
1562
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,220
But
yeah, we talked, go and
1563
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:37,260
check out our workload
episode actually, because
1564
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:39,460
that was, again, one of
our best ones, I think,
1565
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,560
where we just really got
into the nitty gritty of
1566
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,400
the problems with workload
as a teacher. It's
1567
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,700
a really good, a good
listen. How
1568
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:47,340
many times very quickly,
going to do this point
1569
00:54:47,340 --> 00:54:48,380
really quick, because I
know we have gone off on
1570
00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:50,540
tangent, but I've enjoyed
this chat, one very quick
1571
00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:52,220
point. How
many times do you think
1572
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:55,160
you've seen a child in the
school holidays out when
1573
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,460
you've been doing something?
And
1574
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:58,260
they have been absolutely
shocked that you exist in
1575
00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:01,140
a form of Mr. Stevens,
at least like in my old
1576
00:55:01,140 --> 00:55:03,500
career, like 50 times.
They're
1577
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,700
always, always shocked. Most
of the time, they don't
1578
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,760
want to speak to it. So
funny, isn't it? Considering
1579
00:55:07,768 --> 00:55:09,540
I can have such a nice
relationship with them at
1580
00:55:09,540 --> 00:55:10,720
school. It's
one of two. But
1581
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,080
I see you on holidays. But
I get it though, because
1582
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,040
you're different, isn't it?
Because
1583
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,640
when you're with your
teacher, when you're with
1584
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,360
your parents, you are just
a different kid. Well,
1585
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,680
you know that from
parenting. So
1586
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,820
it does just break their
world a bit when they're
1587
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:22,920
with their parents behaving
one way. And
1588
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,260
suddenly they see their
teacher who they probably
1589
00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:25,940
behaved differently for.
It's
1590
00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:28,100
like, oh, most of the
time, yeah, yeah, probably.
1591
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:29,880
And
I'm like, oh, I don't want
1592
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,360
to see them because I'm
now I'm going to show my
1593
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,040
parents how I behaved to
this person. It's
1594
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,660
one of two. Either
you get back up the dark
1595
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:37,360
time and they're like, I
saw you in Tesco and
1596
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,640
you're like, where were
you? Yeah,
1597
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,940
yeah, or you you're walking
down the street and you're
1598
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:43,500
Mr. Price.
Yeah, yeah. You
1599
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,240
don't know where they are,
but they've seen you a
1600
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,140
mile away. They're
shouting like, oh, come on,
1601
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,600
see you, Mr. Price.
Yeah, Mr. Price.
1602
00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:52,060
Never in the middle. Do
you like it? Not
1603
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:53,020
now. Do
you not? I
1604
00:55:53,028 --> 00:55:55,700
see. So
not now when when it's
1605
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,440
like shouting across the
room. Yeah.
1606
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:59,140
When it's like, if it's in
Tesco and they're shouting,
1607
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,560
I'm like, oh, just come
and see me. When
1608
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,600
I just see them, I love
it. I
1609
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,360
love it more than that.
That's
1610
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,700
what I meant. Yeah.
Yeah. No,
1611
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,300
I still I thought you
meant the actual acting
1612
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:09,660
like shouting across the
especially ex pupils. I
1613
00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:11,220
love seeing my old pupils.
It's
1614
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:12,620
like, I've seen a lot of
teachers don't like it.
1615
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,320
Actually,
they find it. They're
1616
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,220
like, oh, no, it's cringe.
I
1617
00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:17,440
don't want to. I
love seeing pupils I've
1618
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,860
taught in the past. It's
one of my favorite things.
1619
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:19,820
That's
just a quick thing I want
1620
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:21,700
to talk about. So,
Hayden, you know, people
1621
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:24,100
have listened to this. How
to manage Saturdays, do
1622
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:25,060
that, everything. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
1623
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,700
How do you actually manage
to switch off then? Like
1624
00:56:27,707 --> 00:56:29,500
ignore the fact we've got
young babies and stuff
1625
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:31,060
right now. Just
think about in the
1626
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:33,280
holidays, there'll be people
out there going, okay,
1627
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,800
that's cool, but I can't
switch off because we've
1628
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,240
just talked about it. I've
got 17, you know, lessons
1629
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,780
to plan. I've
got a deep dive coming up.
1630
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,240
Like
I know this is happening
1631
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,260
at some point. I
cannot switch off. How
1632
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:46,060
on earth can I do it? How
can I switch off? So
1633
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:47,540
we're speaking to those
people now, aren't we? Not
1634
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:48,980
the ones, because you know
what, if you don't want to
1635
00:56:48,980 --> 00:56:50,280
switch off and we made
this clear, I'll make it
1636
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,020
really, really clear. If
you don't want to and you
1637
00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:54,420
enjoy doing that work, good
for you. Carry
1638
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:55,680
on. Do
what you enjoy. But
1639
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,740
this is someone who has to
do work and really would
1640
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:58,520
rather just have a hold of
it. Now
1641
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,800
we're speaking to us and
the other teachers that are
1642
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,700
in that position. It's
a tricky one, isn't it?
1643
00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:03,560
Because
there's not a magic,
1644
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,580
there's not a magic
solution to this. But
1645
00:57:06,580 --> 00:57:08,880
you've got to stand your
ground a bit. There
1646
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,440
is a line and I think you
just need to know your
1647
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,140
embrace a little bit as
well as a human being who
1648
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:18,600
is working for your trading
your time for money. It's
1649
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,920
a job. It's
a job. It
1650
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,440
is a job. It's
a job. No
1651
00:57:21,448 --> 00:57:22,860
matter what you can call
it. Okay.
1652
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,420
I don't care what we call
it. It
1653
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:27,460
is still a job. You
are trading time for money,
1654
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,440
your services for money.
There's
1655
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,160
got to be a point where
you've got to stand up for
1656
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,240
yourself a little bit and
put your foot down and be
1657
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,360
like, nope, I worked this
amount of time during the
1658
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,180
term time, which was
overtime every single week
1659
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:42,280
anyway. I've
worked as efficiently as I
1660
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,260
can. That's
the first thing. If
1661
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:44,740
you're not very efficient
and you know you're not,
1662
00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:46,660
try and work on that
first. We
1663
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:48,440
talked about that before.
Not
1664
00:57:48,448 --> 00:57:52,360
every teacher is going to
be perfectly efficient at
1665
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,460
that job. So
if you think you're not
1666
00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:55,080
very efficient, okay, work
on that first. You
1667
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,060
might be able to get more
done at your time at work.
1668
00:57:58,460 --> 00:57:59,860
If
you're there already and
1669
00:57:59,860 --> 00:58:01,240
you're in the holidays now
and thinking, I've got tons
1670
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,580
to do, first of all,
prioritize it. What
1671
00:58:03,580 --> 00:58:05,800
needs to get done? What's
the most important thing
1672
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,680
for doing your daily job?
For
1673
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,000
example, for me, if I
didn't plan lessons for
1674
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,820
Monday, then I wouldn't be
able to teach. I've
1675
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:14,540
just got to do that. I
have to. There's
1676
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:16,820
no way around it. I've
got to plan the lessons.
1677
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:18,040
No
amount of someone saying to
1678
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,420
you, just don't. It's
going to happen. Yeah,
1679
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:20,800
you have to. And
you have to as well.
1680
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:22,960
That's
just tough. You've
1681
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,860
got to do it. But
I can almost guarantee you
1682
00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:28,260
there are other jobs that
you could probably just
1683
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:32,340
leave to your first PPA or
even just not do it, be a
1684
00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:35,820
bit of a rebel. Because
if you think, is it going
1685
00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:37,680
to affect my teaching and
learning? No,
1686
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,320
it's going to affect the
kids. No.
1687
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:41,160
Have I already done 10
hours over time this week?
1688
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,200
Yeah.
Okay. No.
1689
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,420
Can they fire me over
this? No,
1690
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:47,400
they can't because they're
basically, because if they,
1691
00:58:47,740 --> 00:58:50,640
if your ISE, you remotely
say to you, why hasn't
1692
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,460
this thing been done? Yeah.
And the only, and the only
1693
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:55,380
expectation was that you've
got that done in the two
1694
00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:56,900
weeks that you just had
off, right? Yeah.
1695
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,960
Then you just say to them,
oh, when was the director
1696
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,360
time that I was meant to
do that? Completely.
1697
00:59:00,460 --> 00:59:01,740
Then they'll never have a
comeback. I
1698
00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:04,460
don't care how, how savvy
and how like, bolshe your
1699
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:06,360
SLTR, they will not do
anything. Well,
1700
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,720
here's an example, right?
I've
1701
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,040
had someone message us,
we're going to do a Q &A
1702
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,100
at the end because we got
some Q &A, ask for a Q &A
1703
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,280
section. And
one bit of a spoiler,
1704
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,000
we'll talk about it more,
I guess later on and we'll
1705
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,600
give her some advice, but
we can kind of do it now
1706
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,640
as well. About
to have deep dive. Okay.
1707
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,740
And feeling really stressed.
So
1708
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:24,480
the context I'm going to
take from now is, okay,
1709
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,380
you've got SLT. It's
the last week of Turn 4,
1710
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,340
just before the East
holiday. And
1711
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:32,160
they say, oh, first week
back on Monday, we're going
1712
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,960
to have a meeting with a
school advisor. She's
1713
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,220
going to come in. And
we want to go through our
1714
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:39,700
action plan for this, for
this, for this subject.
1715
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:40,960
Okay.
So that's booked in on the
1716
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,880
Monday. It's
Friday now. So
1717
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,580
can you just get that done
for me? Yeah.
1718
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,700
Yeah. My
advice is right. Firstly,
1719
00:59:47,460 --> 00:59:49,160
you need to have the
confidence, I think you
1720
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,940
need to build the
confidence in yourself to
1721
00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:52,460
say to them on the spot.
It
1722
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:54,200
has to be straight away.
Okay.
1723
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,540
When would you like me to
do that? Because
1724
00:59:56,540 --> 00:59:59,500
if their response is the
East holidays, then okay,
1725
00:59:59,580 --> 01:00:00,620
cool. You
can disregard them as a
1726
01:00:00,620 --> 01:00:02,060
nice human being now
because what the hell are
1727
01:00:02,060 --> 01:00:03,260
they talking about? No,
but they're really lovely
1728
01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:04,460
because this is the point
she was saying as well.
1729
01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:05,780
Her
ST are lovely. Okay.
1730
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,080
Then the chances are that
either you're wrong and
1731
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,880
they're not lovely because
actually if they say, do
1732
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,220
it in your holidays,
they're not as lovely as
1733
01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:14,040
you think they are. Or
two, if they are actually
1734
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,780
lovely, immediately recognize
this. But
1735
01:00:15,788 --> 01:00:17,360
it's the only time she can
come in. It's
1736
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,200
the only time she can come
in. So
1737
01:00:18,207 --> 01:00:19,380
we need to get it done.
Or
1738
01:00:19,388 --> 01:00:21,680
is it? Okay.
Well, I've got plans that
1739
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,220
this is the holiday. Yeah.
It's as immovable as your
1740
01:00:24,220 --> 01:00:25,640
holiday. Yeah.
And you've got to consider
1741
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:26,940
it as that. And
just say to them, okay,
1742
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,400
can I have some time out?
I
1743
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,740
think teachers sometimes
need to be a bit
1744
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:32,060
proactive. We
treat our SLT like they're
1745
01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:34,180
our parents and they have
to organize everything for
1746
01:00:34,180 --> 01:00:36,420
us and baby us. We
are adults in today. We
1747
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:39,860
can also just say and just
assume maybe the SLT who's
1748
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:41,120
got a million other things
to think about. Sure.
1749
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:42,680
It just has overlooked this
for a second. Not
1750
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,220
malicious. Yeah.
They're not malicious. And
1751
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:45,560
you just say to them,
okay, cool. That's
1752
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,320
going to take me probably
like three or four hours.
1753
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:48,880
Can
I have some time out on
1754
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,180
the, I can see on the
Monday on Tuesday, the
1755
01:00:50,180 --> 01:00:51,760
diary is a bit more free.
You
1756
01:00:51,768 --> 01:00:53,220
know, you've, oh, you've
done a bit of work for
1757
01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:54,620
them. Okay,
that's fine. You've,
1758
01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:56,140
you've, you up managed a
little bit. That's
1759
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:58,040
not, you can do that. It's
not a problem. Because
1760
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,780
they've, they've got 57
,000. Yeah.
1761
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:00,720
Yeah. And
that's fine. And
1762
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,820
if they say yes, and
problem solved, it didn't
1763
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:04,100
need to become a massive
problem. If
1764
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,200
they say no, don't do it.
Don't
1765
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,720
do it in the holiday. It
is as simple as that
1766
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,700
because they've got no leg
to stand on. So
1767
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:11,600
when, when, when the
meeting comes in this, in
1768
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,080
this situation, if that
meeting comes along and you
1769
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,880
go to it still, because
the person's booked in and
1770
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,340
you don't have that plan,
do you know what you're
1771
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:19,180
doing instead? You
use that meeting to come
1772
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:20,420
up with a plan with the
person. Like
1773
01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:23,620
you don't, you, it becomes
your time to do that job,
1774
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,380
which you've been told to
do over the holidays. No,
1775
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,960
no, no, you've got the
person there. Okay.
1776
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:27,920
You don't have to talk
through. I
1777
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,640
guarantee that person will
be like, okay, well, let's
1778
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,440
have a think. That
person doesn't, that
1779
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,780
person's there to advise
it. Like
1780
01:01:32,780 --> 01:01:35,400
they don't care. Like
just, and they'd understand
1781
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,580
if you just said the
sentence, oh, only found
1782
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:39,860
out at this start of the
Easter holidays. So
1783
01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:41,540
obviously I haven't had
time to sort it out yet,
1784
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:42,760
but maybe we can look
together. It
1785
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,240
doesn't need to be the
awkward thing because what
1786
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,420
you'll do, what I do is I
build up this, I build up
1787
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:48,680
the worst scenario in my
head made up of this crazy
1788
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,100
awkward conversation where
I'm the really unconfident
1789
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,260
week one and they're all
so confident that they'll,
1790
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:56,060
you know, like patronize me
in my face. Most
1791
01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:58,100
people aren't that
confident, even on this,
1792
01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:59,540
but even if they're
thinking, oh, for God's
1793
01:01:59,540 --> 01:02:00,720
sake, why haven't they done
the work? They
1794
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,760
won't even say it to your
face in that moment. They
1795
01:02:02,768 --> 01:02:03,960
just won't. And
do you know what, if they
1796
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,140
do, they're not worth the
time of day. They're
1797
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:07,160
genuinely not, you're right.
If
1798
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,060
they actually have a
problem that you haven't
1799
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:10,980
spent six hours in your
holidays doing this, this
1800
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:13,620
work for them, they are
the problem. And
1801
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:15,780
remember that. Don't
think you're the problem
1802
01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:17,800
because you want to have a
bit of a backbone and some
1803
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,060
time off. I
honest to God, 99 % of
1804
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:22,860
teachers I've met do more
than enough work already.
1805
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,700
So
if someone actually has a
1806
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:26,720
problem or something not
getting done, that is that
1807
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,740
arbitrary that can just
wait, then that is not
1808
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:32,020
your problem. Don't
let the broken system and
1809
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:34,720
the broken funding education
and the broken everything
1810
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,740
that we don't have enough
time to do our job affect
1811
01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:39,940
your mental health. I
really do think that works
1812
01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:41,320
your needs. And
like we said, everyone's
1813
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,220
different. You
might want to, you might
1814
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:44,280
just want to do it. Okay,
do it then. If
1815
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,620
it's really not going to
affect your holidays that
1816
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,240
much and you're thinking,
oh, I don't mind doing it,
1817
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:49,040
do it then. Okay,
if it's not affecting you,
1818
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,680
then do it. But
the problem then is, do
1819
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,320
not expect the history lead
and the geography lead and
1820
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,920
the R lead to have done
the same thing over the
1821
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,300
last, it's not reasonable.
And
1822
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:58,520
if you want to do it in
your own time, okay, it
1823
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,140
doesn't mean everyone else
has to. And
1824
01:03:00,140 --> 01:03:02,200
if then you've done it in
your own time, but your
1825
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,340
time you're wasting it. But
if you've done yours in
1826
01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:07,920
your own time, and then
week two, you see in the
1827
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,800
on the diary, they're
booked out for art to do
1828
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,840
the same thing you did for
history. You
1829
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,940
can't then be resentful
because they went and asked
1830
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:20,560
for time and got it. You
have to be proactive. And
1831
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,980
like you said, yeah, it
might be frustrating that
1832
01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:25,360
SLT have said, yeah, sure
to that person and didn't
1833
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:26,740
do it to you. But
you know what, it's
1834
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:28,520
probably because the art
lead went and did it. I've
1835
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,800
had it a million times.
Like
1836
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,480
again, I'm not trying to
throw people under the bus
1837
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,660
I've worked with because I
really like my colleagues
1838
01:03:33,660 --> 01:03:35,920
and people. But
I have had people to my
1839
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,160
face tell me before that
something happened or I got
1840
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,720
something done as math lead
or, you know, we introduced
1841
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,080
something or I was allowed
to do something, right?
1842
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,440
Anything
that I've been allowed to
1843
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,940
do. And
they said to me, oh, just
1844
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:49,400
because you're a bloke. And
I've been like, no, no,
1845
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,160
it's because I went and
asked for it. Yeah.
1846
01:03:52,459 --> 01:03:54,360
Did you go and ask for
it? No,
1847
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,320
no, because they would just
tell me no, no, no, no.
1848
01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:57,140
Oh,
no, because I went and
1849
01:03:57,140 --> 01:03:58,700
asked for it. And
they said, yes. Have
1850
01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:00,960
you asked them for it? And
they said, no, no, well,
1851
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,100
then it's nothing to do
with me being a man. It's
1852
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:04,200
not a comparison anymore.
Okay.
1853
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:07,400
Or you can only you're
only confident enough to do
1854
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,700
it because you're a man
and you'll know you'll get
1855
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:10,320
it. Maybe
we're getting into a
1856
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,760
conversation that's worth
happening at that point.
1857
01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:12,620
But
do you know what, until
1858
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:14,320
you've actually gone and
done the same thing I did,
1859
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,540
don't say it's because I'm
a man. That's
1860
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:18,060
really annoying. The
bias doesn't come into play
1861
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:19,480
until we've done the same
thing. And
1862
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,900
you've got no and I said,
yes. Yeah.
1863
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,900
And there is a, and we're
not going to pretend
1864
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:24,780
there's not a bias. Of
course. There
1865
01:04:24,788 --> 01:04:26,820
was an advantage of being
a man. 100%. It's
1866
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:28,740
built in cultural bias. It
just frustrates me when
1867
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:30,980
that gets, that's the go
to when something's
1868
01:04:30,980 --> 01:04:32,800
different. It's
like, well, is there a
1869
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,060
more obvious reason why I
got time out? And
1870
01:04:35,060 --> 01:04:37,200
it's because I put a
request in for it. Yeah,
1871
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:40,120
that's much more likely. Or
did the SLT go, well, he's
1872
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,760
a man, he needs time out.
His
1873
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,500
time's available. Probably
not. Because
1874
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:45,000
you know what, the SLT is
a woman. So
1875
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,380
I don't know. I
just think it just
1876
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:52,640
frustrates me. If,
take away all of the
1877
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,300
gender stuff now, that was
just a side point. But
1878
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:57,520
if you as a teacher aren't
actually doing the minimum,
1879
01:04:57,820 --> 01:05:00,000
which is, are you efficient
with your time? As
1880
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
you could possibly be. They
spend an hour chatting
1881
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,680
after school because I used
to do that and then get
1882
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,680
annoyed. I
didn't know my stuff. Have
1883
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,860
you asked for help? Have
you said no? They
1884
01:05:08,860 --> 01:05:11,000
have to come first. The
world's not going to bend
1885
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,340
to you in this profession.
No,
1886
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:14,080
no. And
I know I mentioned earlier,
1887
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,720
but managing up is a
thing. And
1888
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,700
I feel like teachers just
don't really do it. In
1889
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:19,400
loads of other professions,
you get people managing up
1890
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,360
all the time. And
it's not a bad thing. You
1891
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,860
don't have to, you don't
have to then be resentful.
1892
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,020
Oh,
I had to go and ask for
1893
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:28,460
this time. It
would be nice if it was
1894
01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:30,280
just built in for me. It's
like, yeah, it would have
1895
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,440
been nice. It
would have been nice. But
1896
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:33,920
they are just a human
being doing a job at the
1897
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,740
end of the day. And
if you managed up and they
1898
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:37,180
still gave you that time,
do you know what? It
1899
01:05:37,180 --> 01:05:40,100
shows that their intentions
probably weren't that bad.
1900
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,120
Because
if they really didn't want
1901
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,380
to give you that time,
they would have said no to
1902
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:43,460
you when you managed up as
well. I
1903
01:05:43,468 --> 01:05:46,720
wonder how much of teacher
resentment and annoyance is
1904
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,460
through misunderstanding and
miscommunication rather than
1905
01:05:50,460 --> 01:05:52,420
actually, I think most of
it, yeah, I think that we
1906
01:05:52,420 --> 01:05:54,140
can't pretend that we've
got enough money for stuff
1907
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:55,620
or enough time to do
stuff. But
1908
01:05:55,620 --> 01:05:57,480
I think there's a lot that
we could solve by just
1909
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,320
being more open and less
timid, I suppose. Yeah.
1910
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,140
I think there are a lot
of SLT, but I think it's
1911
01:06:03,140 --> 01:06:06,080
the minority still who are
just genuinely not very
1912
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,860
nice people. Yeah,
very very minority. And
1913
01:06:07,868 --> 01:06:09,780
they would say no, and
they would have not planned
1914
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:11,120
it. And
they will just expect
1915
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,940
stuff. We've
been there where people
1916
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:16,600
like we've worked with
people who just absolutely
1917
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,600
abuse their power and will
just work people to the
1918
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,640
bone, not caring about
their well being. Because
1919
01:06:22,647 --> 01:06:24,640
the outcome is simply they
got stuff done. Yeah.
1920
01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:27,960
And I've had stuff before
of I've had stories of
1921
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,120
these kinds of people in
SLT almost bragging about
1922
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,240
how much work they got out
of the stuff. Yeah.
1923
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,400
And it's like, you're a
horrible person. Yeah.
1924
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:39,180
Like if you genuinely are
just like, that's your end
1925
01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:41,220
goal, it's just how much
work can I eek out of
1926
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:45,180
these people without any
kind of sentience of
1927
01:06:45,180 --> 01:06:46,840
looking at your staff and
thinking, well, they're all
1928
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,920
burnt out and the half of
them have left. It
1929
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,920
must be them. That's
the problem. Yeah.
1930
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,940
No, probably not. I'll
finish with one analogy,
1931
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,180
because I love this thing.
And
1932
01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:56,720
I think about it all the
time and it really impacted
1933
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:57,560
me. And
I think I've said it on
1934
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,420
the podcast before, but I'm
going to say again, which
1935
01:06:59,420 --> 01:07:01,260
was when early on in my
career, when I was getting
1936
01:07:01,260 --> 01:07:02,760
a bit burned out, and I
was and I was genuinely
1937
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,560
struggling to get the
workload done even when the
1938
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,640
weekends and holidays,
right? Because
1939
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,480
I was just setting this
stupid bar for myself. Was
1940
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,900
this when you like had to
plan everything from scratch
1941
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:12,060
or is this just because of
your mentality of just
1942
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:14,200
mentality mainly, but also
it was it was at that
1943
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,620
kind of school where where
we were just expected to
1944
01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:19,280
do a stupid amount of
work, unholy amounts of
1945
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,400
change all the time. And,
and you know, being quite
1946
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,220
fresh to teaching, I was
like, I must do all of
1947
01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:26,420
this to the best possible
level, which was completely
1948
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:27,600
unmanageable. It
was taking up all my
1949
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,520
holidays and stuff. And
I was speaking to our
1950
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,180
deputy head at the time,
who was someone I very
1951
01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:34,360
much admired then, I still
do now, I just don't speak
1952
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,700
to him. But
you know, at that time, I
1953
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:37,920
was thinking, I he's a
really, really, really nice
1954
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,900
person, genuinely nice. And
I just said to him, I was
1955
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:42,480
being honest, and I was
just venting saying about
1956
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,840
how I'm struggling with all
this workload and stuff.
1957
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:45,760
And
I've got to get this done.
1958
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:47,500
And
the head teachers now asked
1959
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:49,100
me to do this. And
my year group leaders asked
1960
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:52,020
me to do this. And
he was just like, and this
1961
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:53,480
was weird coming from the
deputy, he was like, Oh,
1962
01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:56,420
just don't do it. And
I was a bit sort of taken
1963
01:07:56,420 --> 01:07:58,260
aback thinking, surely he's
someone that's going to be
1964
01:07:58,260 --> 01:07:59,740
telling me to do it. Like
he's the deputy head. He
1965
01:07:59,740 --> 01:08:01,260
was like, Oh, yeah, no,
no, no, no, no, just don't
1966
01:08:01,260 --> 01:08:03,560
just don't do that, that
or that one. And
1967
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,940
I was like, but they've
got you've sent an email
1968
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:07,340
out saying they've got to
be done. They've
1969
01:08:07,340 --> 01:08:09,680
got to be done. Yeah.
And he was like, no, no,
1970
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,080
no, no, no, no, no, they
haven't got to be done. He
1971
01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:12,380
says, just don't don't do
them. I
1972
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:13,860
was like, what? He
was like, if they need to
1973
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:16,720
be done, they'll email you
again. I
1974
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,220
don't know. And
and and he's but but he
1975
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:20,840
was there is that's not
very useful. No,
1976
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:22,240
I know. But
he was he was joking
1977
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,859
around. But
he was the serious point
1978
01:08:23,859 --> 01:08:26,640
behind it was stop taking
everything on this personal
1979
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,359
level of like, you are you
have to get the you have
1980
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:30,640
to get this thing done
because someone else has
1981
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:31,620
now told you to do it.
And
1982
01:08:31,627 --> 01:08:33,899
I know you've already got
a massive list of jobs to
1983
01:08:33,899 --> 01:08:35,420
do to do your daily job.
All
1984
01:08:35,420 --> 01:08:37,340
of these things come in
your if they're coming in
1985
01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:40,359
your own time, then they
can't actually dictate you
1986
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:41,779
to do those in your own
time. So
1987
01:08:41,779 --> 01:08:43,439
do you know what? If
it's your own if it's your
1988
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,000
weekend and you've done
your entire job and you
1989
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,520
still this list of things
to do that people are
1990
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,700
saying for you to do,
don't do it. And
1991
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:50,460
if it's that important,
they'll email you again
1992
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:52,160
next week. And
if it's really important,
1993
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,359
they'll say, we really need
this done, we've booked you
1994
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,279
some time out to do it
now, because we really
1995
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:57,380
needed it done. And
we can see that you're so
1996
01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:59,380
busy. I
think the problem I get it
1997
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:00,800
completely because again,
it's just it's basically
1998
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,479
about being proactive about
your time. But
1999
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,720
the thing that frustrates a
lot of people is, you
2000
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,479
know, you need to do that
to protect your wellbeing.
2001
01:09:06,859 --> 01:09:08,920
Like
there is a certain I think
2002
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,000
there's a certain argument
there to say to protect my
2003
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,859
wellbeing. I
shouldn't have to be that
2004
01:09:13,859 --> 01:09:16,399
proactive to ignore
instructions from my
2005
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,640
superiors at work. And
then for my superior at
2006
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,279
work to turn around and
say, Oh, I know I've said
2007
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,160
do it, but don't that to
me is gasoline. Like
2008
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,180
that is the definition of
being a bit of a
2009
01:09:25,180 --> 01:09:28,300
gaslighter because you're
not implicit. If
2010
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:30,560
you actually think that in
the email, what should be
2011
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,260
said is this needs to get
done. Let
2012
01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:33,580
me know if you have time.
I
2013
01:09:33,580 --> 01:09:35,260
know you don't. So
actually, let's book it.
2014
01:09:35,460 --> 01:09:37,220
Let's
skip all this play where I
2015
01:09:37,220 --> 01:09:39,020
kind of hope you push
yourself to your wellbeing
2016
01:09:39,020 --> 01:09:41,340
limit and do it for me.
Because
2017
01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:43,439
that is all that's
happening by me not saying
2018
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,779
that in the first place.
If
2019
01:09:44,779 --> 01:09:46,740
I already know, oh, you
don't actually have to do
2020
01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:48,840
this, I'm playing a game
right now to get as much
2021
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,420
work of you as possible.
Knowing
2022
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:52,700
that 20 % of the people
will just ruin their
2023
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:54,260
weekend to do it for me.
I
2024
01:09:54,260 --> 01:09:56,700
know that they don't have
to because I'm telling you
2025
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:58,980
that that's actually really
annoyed me. And
2026
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:00,400
I think that's terrible.
And
2027
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,760
I think what you are doing
there is basically playing
2028
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,620
the game. And
I see this all the time
2029
01:10:05,620 --> 01:10:08,480
and it boils my blood when
really, really, really good
2030
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:11,420
people, excellent teachers
who really care are the
2031
01:10:11,420 --> 01:10:13,380
ones who do the most work
ever because they don't
2032
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:14,660
want to let anyone down.
And
2033
01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:16,580
the people who are
exploiting that are the
2034
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:18,860
people who simply think
don't think about it and
2035
01:10:18,860 --> 01:10:21,320
like, oh, well, I'm just I
am a lovely, dovey person.
2036
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:22,180
I'm
very nice. I
2037
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:23,480
would say not to do it.
Yeah,
2038
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,920
but you didn't. And
every week you know this
2039
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,460
happens. You
know that they like work
2040
01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:30,780
themselves to the bone. You
know they've done six hours
2041
01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:33,980
of art leadership planning
over the weekend. And
2042
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:35,780
you're just grateful they
did it. And
2043
01:10:35,780 --> 01:10:38,020
you know for well that the
mass leaders won't do it
2044
01:10:38,020 --> 01:10:39,560
and we'll just give them
time. There
2045
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,880
comes a point as a leader
where you know that's
2046
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,620
happening. And
if you're not proactive
2047
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:45,820
about it, you're actually
enabling it. There's
2048
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:47,220
got to be systems in
place. Yeah,
2049
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,340
I think for people to be
treated. But
2050
01:10:49,348 --> 01:10:51,500
the system isn't you've
gone to mode to deputy and
2051
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:52,780
they've said, I actually
don't do it because you
2052
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:54,400
come to my no, I think
you I think you've blown
2053
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,000
out of proportion in terms
of what really happened. I
2054
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,620
think you've made a
separate point. I've
2055
01:10:57,620 --> 01:10:59,420
made a separate I'm not
actually I'm actually not
2056
01:10:59,420 --> 01:11:01,320
talking about I think just
going back to what his
2057
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,860
advice there was that what
he was actually saying to
2058
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:07,480
me was stop putting
everyone else's job at the
2059
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:09,300
top of your priority list.
Learn
2060
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:11,680
to prioritize and learn to
say no, I haven't got time
2061
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,660
to do it. I
think I've seen the other
2062
01:11:13,660 --> 01:11:15,460
thing happen to a lot of
people and I've just got
2063
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:18,340
frustrated. But
you know, yeah, have a
2064
01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:20,200
backbone yourself and say
no. But
2065
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,380
there does come a point
where actually, like we
2066
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:24,920
were saying beforehand,
there are people who brag
2067
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,620
about how much work they're
reeking out of people. And
2068
01:11:26,620 --> 01:11:28,300
it's like, when it's said
a detriment of their well
2069
01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:29,740
being, it's nothing to brag
about. Yeah,
2070
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,600
you are in control of
that. Great.
2071
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:34,540
Anyway, well, that was a
good chat. Long
2072
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:35,620
episode. I
like that. We've
2073
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:36,920
got a quick Q &A. We're
still going to do it. Oh,
2074
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:37,940
yeah, go ahead. I'll
wish for it. So
2075
01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:39,420
play the jingle. We'll
wish for the Q &A. Guys,
2076
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:40,900
please follow us on
Spotify. Share
2077
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2078
01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:49,000
Share it. Let
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2079
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,440
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2080
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:51,440
let's grow this podcast.
Thank
2081
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:52,800
you so much. We've
got a jingle. We're
2082
01:11:52,808 --> 01:11:54,000
going to do a Q &A. Stick
around. It's
2083
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,820
great. Right.
Quick one to finish off
2084
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:00,660
Hayden on our Instagram,
which you can follow us at
2085
01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:01,780
Teach Sleep with you
podcast. Please
2086
01:12:01,780 --> 01:12:03,460
do have a 3000 followers
now. I
2087
01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:05,280
love talking to you guys
on there genuinely and
2088
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,180
Hayden is no longer
involved. I
2089
01:12:08,180 --> 01:12:11,760
did a little Q &A. So
my question, I did a few
2090
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,060
polls and stuff about what
you're getting on in the
2091
01:12:13,060 --> 01:12:16,160
holidays. And
my Q &A was simply quick Q
2092
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,000
&A. Send
us a question. Doesn't
2093
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,040
have to be related to
teaching. It
2094
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,900
can be whatever. And
we got a whole bunch. I'm
2095
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:23,280
going to read out a few
now as quickly as possible.
2096
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:24,040
Okay.
Cool. So
2097
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,340
I'm not going to name drop
them because I never said
2098
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:26,440
I would. You
might want to be anonymous
2099
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:28,120
to some people. So
if you hear your question,
2100
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:29,760
message us and tell us how
you heard the question.
2101
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:31,300
First
question. Three
2102
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:33,900
hours. Three
hours. First
2103
01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:35,560
question. This
is going to be quick guys
2104
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,240
because we are, it's a
long episode already. Tell
2105
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,460
them how quick it is going
to be one time. Quick.
2106
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,580
Go on. It's
going to be quick this
2107
01:12:39,580 --> 01:12:41,440
one. Okay.
When will the government
2108
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:42,840
increase funding? We're
stretched to the limit
2109
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,300
right now. Never.
I'll never do it. I'll
2110
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,180
never do it. Do
you think that election
2111
01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:48,180
will actually change things?
No.
2112
01:12:48,340 --> 01:12:49,720
Because I don't either. No,
100%. I
2113
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,640
haven't actually ever done
it in the last 20 years.
2114
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:52,340
Nobody
has. It
2115
01:12:52,340 --> 01:12:53,800
has. New
Labour put so much money
2116
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:54,900
into education. No,
they've last like 20 years.
2117
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,000
Yeah.
Because it's the same Tory
2118
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,960
government. That's
what I mean. Okay.
2119
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,460
So my point is, if we get
a brand new party and a
2120
01:13:00,460 --> 01:13:01,540
new government, do you
actually think it will
2121
01:13:01,540 --> 01:13:03,680
change? On
the fence. On
2122
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,340
the fence. I
think with this current
2123
01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:06,960
party, I'm not actually no.
I'm
2124
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,540
not convinced of the fact
that Labour are not
2125
01:13:08,540 --> 01:13:10,100
remotely fit for this.
They're
2126
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:12,260
playing it way too safe,
in my opinion. Next
2127
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:13,940
one. What
would your death row meal
2128
01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:16,580
be? Three
courses and drinks? Chicken
2129
01:13:16,580 --> 01:13:21,360
roast dinner. Starter?
Starter. Starter
2130
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,440
will be chicken roast. This
is like I'm a slave, isn't
2131
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,600
it? Sometimes
it's a starter and I'm a
2132
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,260
slave, but I have like a
burger. Just
2133
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:28,800
playing the game. Yeah.
Okay. My
2134
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,140
starter is chicken roast
dinner. Okay.
2135
01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:33,600
My main is a nice Nando's.
Oh,
2136
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,120
really? Yeah.
Anything in the world that
2137
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,300
you've got for Nando's?
Yeah,
2138
01:13:36,380 --> 01:13:38,580
I just love Nando's. What's
your order from then on?
2139
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:39,760
I'd
get my four chicken fries.
2140
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,160
Yeah.
Medium. Yeah.
2141
01:13:41,660 --> 01:13:43,740
Medium. Yeah.
The whole sauce goes
2142
01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:46,120
through me. I'd
get anything that's for
2143
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,220
you. Garlic
bread. You
2144
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:48,820
know what I like to do?
You
2145
01:13:48,820 --> 01:13:49,960
are so basic. You
know what I like to do,
2146
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,740
you know what I like to
do? I
2147
01:13:52,748 --> 01:13:54,980
like to put two of the
chicken fries in the garlic
2148
01:13:54,980 --> 01:13:57,460
bread. I
make a halloumi sandwich.
2149
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:58,880
Yeah.
Yeah. Same
2150
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,760
sort of thing. And
peri peri chips. I'd
2151
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,900
have that as my main. And
then for my dessert, I'd
2152
01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:05,520
probably have an Indian.
I'd
2153
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,480
have a full curry. No
sugar, baby. Oh,
2154
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:10,120
yeah. Drink?
Drink. I
2155
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,860
don't care about drinks.
Yeah.
2156
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,600
I don't know. Fanta.
There you go. Done.
2157
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,180
Okay. Cool.
You? You
2158
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:20,100
doing that? I
would have for starter.
2159
01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:21,480
Move
on. I
2160
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,900
actually don't know. For
starter, I would have
2161
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:26,180
probably, what's my favorite
starter? Do
2162
01:14:26,180 --> 01:14:27,140
you know what? I'm
a bit boring. I
2163
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:30,240
do like a good soup when
you're out. Good
2164
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,540
soup. That's
the meme, isn't it? No,
2165
01:14:33,660 --> 01:14:36,620
my starter would be some
banging chicken fillets.
2166
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:37,700
Good
soup. Some
2167
01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:40,760
banging chicken fillets that
are like Southern fried
2168
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,580
Texas in some sweet chili,
like old mayonnaise dip.
2169
01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:45,560
Yeah.
Nice. So
2170
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,580
KFC. Yeah.
My main was a quarter
2171
01:14:48,580 --> 01:14:51,900
pound burger. No.
My main would be a fat
2172
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:53,620
roast. I
love a roast in that. But
2173
01:14:53,620 --> 01:14:54,820
I wouldn't, not just
chicken. I
2174
01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:56,260
would want like all the
meats. Bit
2175
01:14:56,260 --> 01:14:58,100
of chicken, bit of gammon,
bit of lamb. Oh
2176
01:14:58,108 --> 01:14:59,980
my God. Yeah.
You could do good gammon.
2177
01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:01,680
Or,
you know, caramelized
2178
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,440
onions, caramelized parsnips.
Oh
2179
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,280
my God. Mash,
creamy mash. Oh
2180
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,020
baby. Roast
potatoes. Broccoli.
2181
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,400
Oh my God. Sweet.
I love mashed sweet with
2182
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,340
pepper. I'm
actually salivating. I'm
2183
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:14,340
sorry. And
for dessert, I would have
2184
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:16,680
a massive chocolate fudge
cake. Imagining
2185
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:17,460
that. I
don't have any sugar in
2186
01:15:17,460 --> 01:15:19,060
it. I
love chocolate. Moving
2187
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:20,460
on. Next
question. What's
2188
01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:23,580
your favorite Easter egg?
Something
2189
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:25,580
Cadbury's. Anything
Cadbury's? Anything
2190
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:29,260
Cadbury's. Probably
all fruit and nut. Okay.
2191
01:15:29,420 --> 01:15:31,160
Do you miss the fact that
they don't come with mugs
2192
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,340
anymore? No.
No, that was, I was like,
2193
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,600
what, I'll waste the money.
We're
2194
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,480
teachers. We
do not need any more
2195
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,800
Cadbury. Yeah.
I mean, I didn't have an
2196
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,100
Easter egg this year
because of obvious reasons.
2197
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,800
So
my favorite Easter egg is
2198
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,160
clean sugar. I
said, I said to this
2199
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,440
person, I replied to it,
oh, I'm actually, I'm doing
2200
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:52,720
nose sugar at the minute.
And
2201
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,320
I meant to say no sugar.
Nose
2202
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,860
sugar. Wow.
This next one, I'm going
2203
01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:01,940
to name drop because he is
your friend who we met and
2204
01:16:01,940 --> 01:16:04,720
went to Nando's with. He's
doing some writing at the
2205
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,280
minute. He
asked, this is really
2206
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,820
interesting because he's
doing a book on this. So
2207
01:16:08,827 --> 01:16:10,120
he's actually going to, he
said he's going to listen
2208
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,180
and hear what he said.
What
2209
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:14,800
would you almost use a
useful superpower to have
2210
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,680
as a teacher? I
know. I've
2211
01:16:16,688 --> 01:16:18,360
always a great, he's told
me about this, but I'm
2212
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:19,400
really looking for Mr.
woman,
2213
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,280
by the way, writing kids
books at the moment, friend
2214
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,760
of ours, ex teacher, yeah,
really cool books. And
2215
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:24,700
I'm looking forward to this
one. So
2216
01:16:24,708 --> 01:16:26,700
he said his was hypnosis.
Hypnosis.
2217
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:27,580
Yeah. That's
cool. Which
2218
01:16:27,580 --> 01:16:29,400
kid of kids do you want?
Do
2219
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,780
your work. Can
you imagine like the
2220
01:16:30,780 --> 01:16:32,780
teacher look, but it was
hypnosis. Just
2221
01:16:32,780 --> 01:16:34,340
give them the look and
they're just like, yeah, I
2222
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:36,540
don't, what, give me more
time here. What
2223
01:16:36,540 --> 01:16:37,740
would you, did you have an
idea? I
2224
01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:40,420
think, I don't know. I
think personally, as a
2225
01:16:40,420 --> 01:16:43,980
superpower, I think for me,
it would be something where
2226
01:16:43,980 --> 01:16:47,240
I could just basically
engage the kids. This
2227
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,260
sounds ridiculous. I
don't necessarily think it
2228
01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:51,560
would be something that can
help me with my job. I
2229
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,860
suppose slowing down time
would help a little bit.
2230
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:55,940
If
it was showing off, I'd be
2231
01:16:55,940 --> 01:17:00,720
like super strength or
flying. Here
2232
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,100
we go. I
think that's what I want.
2233
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:02,960
I'm
trying. That's
2234
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:03,980
the first thing that came
to my head and I thought,
2235
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:05,360
come on, you can't say
that. I
2236
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,400
want to be able to go
water pistol hands. What
2237
01:17:08,407 --> 01:17:09,580
water all over the book.
Yeah.
2238
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,680
How funny would that be?
Brilliant.
2239
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,680
Well, sorry, mate. If
you were, if Mr. woman,
2240
01:17:13,780 --> 01:17:14,960
if you were thinking of
getting some ideas for your
2241
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,320
book, there you go. Okay,
listen. We
2242
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,760
got the, we got the death
row question quite a lot
2243
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,720
actually, so I'm going to
skip over that one. As
2244
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,060
in what would your meal
be? Not
2245
01:17:25,060 --> 01:17:27,320
do you want to go in
death row? No,
2246
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,880
this one I thought was
such a good question. What
2247
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,260
do you wish you were
taught in your teacher
2248
01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:33,360
training that they did not
cover? Not
2249
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,720
to be a teacher. Because
to get out, get out of
2250
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,340
this game. Here's
your first class on what
2251
01:17:40,340 --> 01:17:42,600
you could be doing instead.
What
2252
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,040
I wish I was taught as a
teacher. I
2253
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,360
thought that was great
because we've talked about
2254
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,640
how much we're taught that
is so useless. I've
2255
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,240
still got paper mache
tortoise that I made in my
2256
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,400
DT lesson. So
I didn't have a minute to
2257
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,140
learn how to do DT. I
don't know. I
2258
01:17:54,148 --> 01:17:56,200
honestly don't know. Like
I feel like I learned
2259
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,740
nothing about teaching in
my teacher training. For
2260
01:17:58,740 --> 01:18:00,920
me, I would do it behavior
maybe like my behavior
2261
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,520
management was terrible when
I started. Behavior
2262
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,000
management. I
did not learn enough about
2263
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,680
like really taking that
seriously. I
2264
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,680
would like to have learned
what to do exactly if a
2265
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,300
bee flies into the
classroom. No
2266
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:11,580
one prepared for me that
first moment. What
2267
01:18:11,580 --> 01:18:14,880
are the dog steps on it?
There
2268
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,420
are about three people. Is
there a dog steps on a
2269
01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:22,920
bee? My
dad knows Tai Chi. This
2270
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:24,000
is linked to what I said
earlier. How
2271
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:29,700
do you actually get out of
being a deep dive subject
2272
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:31,320
lead? Because
they're due off -stead and
2273
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,180
they just can't cover the
pressure. I
2274
01:18:33,188 --> 01:18:35,740
was like, wow, I mean, I
wish I could tell you my
2275
01:18:35,740 --> 01:18:38,920
honest advice would be go
to your SRT and say
2276
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,160
exactly that. I
am crumbling under the
2277
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,100
pressure and I'm going to
quit teaching if I have
2278
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,300
the camera and doing this
job. It's
2279
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:46,980
killing me. And
see what they do. Linked
2280
01:18:46,980 --> 01:18:48,780
to the next question then.
So
2281
01:18:48,780 --> 01:18:51,580
I have a primary teaching
degree. Well,
2282
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,380
what are the career paths?
So
2283
01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:58,920
this person's thinking of
going down doing the
2284
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:00,740
master's route, which I
know you did. And
2285
01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:02,980
I replied basically saying,
you should do that only if
2286
01:19:02,980 --> 01:19:04,580
you want to put off for a
year, because it doesn't
2287
01:19:04,580 --> 01:19:05,620
actually help that much.
Like
2288
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:07,400
you said, you enjoyed the
process. Yeah,
2289
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:09,420
it was good love. It
didn't actually help your
2290
01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:12,020
practice too much or going
into the army or something.
2291
01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:13,840
What
would you do if you got a
2292
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,300
teaching degree? Do
you know what? I'm
2293
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:17,580
going to answer this myself
first. Give
2294
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:19,860
you a minute. I
would honestly ignore the
2295
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:21,500
fact you've got a teaching
degree. Don't
2296
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:23,440
let that sunken cost
fallacy come into play
2297
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:24,980
where you're like, well,
I've got a teaching degree.
2298
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:25,820
So
I've got to use that
2299
01:19:25,820 --> 01:19:28,060
somehow. Okay.
If you actually don't want
2300
01:19:28,060 --> 01:19:30,100
to do teaching, the worst
thing you can do is try
2301
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:31,780
and shoehorn teaching into
something. Yeah,
2302
01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:33,720
yeah. Just
pretend you didn't do that
2303
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,140
degree, even though you've
got the debt and stuff.
2304
01:19:35,140 --> 01:19:36,260
It's
annoying. Just
2305
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:37,900
go and do an apprenticeship
somewhere. Do
2306
01:19:37,907 --> 01:19:41,280
whatever you want. Now
being more experienced in
2307
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,080
life. If
you were this old or
2308
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,440
you've got a career. Yeah,
because right now, if I'm
2309
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,140
answering these questions,
right now, what I'd go and
2310
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:49,040
do genuinely find something
I'm interested in, which
2311
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,220
for me is like computer -y
stuff. I'd
2312
01:19:51,220 --> 01:19:52,100
go and learn to do coding.
I
2313
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:53,260
know you've been interested.
I'd
2314
01:19:53,260 --> 01:19:54,700
go and learn to do coding
or something to do software
2315
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:57,020
engineering, software
development, because I just
2316
01:19:57,020 --> 01:19:58,180
find that sort of stuff
interesting. There's
2317
01:19:58,188 --> 01:19:59,560
so much stuff online. I
think I'd enjoy it. So
2318
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,880
much stuff online. And
it's high pay if you get
2319
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,040
good at it as well. And
you can go into that late.
2320
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,100
You
really can. You
2321
01:20:05,108 --> 01:20:06,180
can just learn because
there's not many people
2322
01:20:06,180 --> 01:20:07,460
learning. I've
been learning how to do a
2323
01:20:07,460 --> 01:20:11,220
bit of Python. It's
really hard. Yeah,
2324
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,080
it's really hard. The
snake. Yeah.
2325
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:14,880
Jeff's cake. Is
it a cake or a biscuit?
2326
01:20:16,420 --> 01:20:17,580
Cake.
Yeah, it's in the name,
2327
01:20:17,660 --> 01:20:18,960
isn't it? It's
very cakey. It
2328
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,920
is cakey, but it's in the
biscuit arm. It
2329
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,320
is called cake and it's
full of cake. I
2330
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:27,300
think it's a cake, I
reckon. Is
2331
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:28,820
there any crunchy biscuit
to it? Oh,
2332
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,280
is it? No.
Is a rich tea biscuit a
2333
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:35,040
biscuit? Oh,
is a crunchy biscuit. I
2334
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,640
reckon the cake is a cake.
I'm
2335
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,880
sorry, everyone asked that
question. I
2336
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,820
think it's a cake though
as well. And
2337
01:20:43,820 --> 01:20:46,300
it is in the name. Last
one. I'll
2338
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:48,540
just finish this one.
What's
2339
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:52,260
your go -to snack at school
pre and post sugar? Well,
2340
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,440
it's the same thing. Pre
sugar. No,
2341
01:20:55,140 --> 01:20:58,340
pre sugar. A
yum yum. Yum
2342
01:20:58,340 --> 01:21:00,320
yum. When
someone brings in yum yum,
2343
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,540
I'm like, yes, I'll eat
two of the four. Yeah,
2344
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:03,840
yeah. And
there's four people in the
2345
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,280
team. The
last three I have to share
2346
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:07,980
too, somehow. And
post? I
2347
01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:10,200
don't know, because I'm so
addicted to chocolate that
2348
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,840
nothing is nice. Yeah,
I used to have, I used to
2349
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,660
get a pack of four rice
buns from the co -op and
2350
01:21:15,660 --> 01:21:18,240
I'd eat two before I got
back to school. I'd
2351
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,380
eat one on my walk to my
classroom and I'd sit down
2352
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:21,320
and be like, oh, and I
spun. And
2353
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:22,780
when you're eating the last
one, you'd say, oh, I only
2354
01:21:22,780 --> 01:21:24,800
got one, mate. Sorry.
It's a meal and I asked
2355
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,960
for one. And
there's the pack of empty
2356
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,560
room for four. Sorry,
buddy. I
2357
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:30,480
don't know. Do
you have a snack that you
2358
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:31,780
enjoy eating now that
you've been off sugar for
2359
01:21:31,780 --> 01:21:33,100
ages? Or
do you just eat snacks
2360
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:34,120
now? I
just don't eat snacks now.
2361
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,160
Probably
an apple. I'm
2362
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:36,460
not going to lie. I
actually really like apples
2363
01:21:36,460 --> 01:21:38,000
when I've not eaten loads
of chocolate. Well,
2364
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:40,520
on that unbelievably boring
note of apple being your
2365
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,960
favorite snack, we're going
to round up there. As
2366
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,460
the apple of your eye,
let's finish up this.
2367
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:46,360
Right,
guys. Thank
2368
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,100
you for listening for this
long. It
2369
01:21:48,108 --> 01:21:49,280
hopefully has been a useful
one. I've
2370
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,320
quite enjoyed that. The
title is going to be like
2371
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,880
a pow pow pow because we
covered so much. What
2372
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,060
is the title? I
don't know right now. The
2373
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:56,220
title. The
exact title that you're
2374
01:21:56,220 --> 01:21:57,020
going to play. The
title is...
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,260
Hayden, should we do a
skit for a while? Can
2
00:00:02,260 --> 00:00:04,380
we do the skit that we
were just about to do in
3
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the first take, but now on
the second take? Yeah,
4
00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:08,400
but when the first take,
the skit was that, I
5
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wanted you to say no when
we'd come into, yep. No.
6
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Hello, welcome back to
another episode of Teach,
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Street, Repeat. My
name is Dylan. My
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name is Hayden. And
my name is Dylan. And
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how are you? I'm
good, thank you. You
10
00:00:20,067 --> 00:00:21,080
okay? Yeah,
I'm all right, yourself.
11
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I'm
fine, thank you. Welcome
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back to another episode of
Teach, Street, Repeat. My
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name's Dylan. My
name is Hayden. What
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was wrong with us? And
my name's Dylan. What
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are we doing? What
are we doing? Are
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you all right? How
are you doing? I'm
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sorry guys, we completely
wasted your time. It's
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the Easter holidays. Yeah,
so we've got enough time
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to waste, right? We're
gonna waste enough time to
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the Easter holidays. We
are absolutely loving life.
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But
before we get into today's
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episode, which is how to
make the most of the
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holidays, I think something
that's really quite
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important. Yeah,
we're doing it, aren't we?
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Making
the most of the holidays,
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we're doing a podcast and
introducing ourselves seven
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times in a row. Oh,
wow. You
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can tell we got a lot of
time in our hands, baby.
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Oh,
dear, anyway, are you all
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right? Yeah,
I'm good. We've
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had one week off already.
We're
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in the middle of the two
week holiday. I
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gotta tell you now,
straight away, everyone,
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listen, I bet you agree
that the two weeks is life
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changing. It's
so different to one week.
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Oh,
gosh, yeah. It
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is crazy how you can
switch off better. But
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we'll get into that later
on. Hayden,
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how has your week been?
You've
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been off? What
you've been up to, pal?
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Well,
I actually did something
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I've never done before at
this point of the year.
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Right?
I got my end of year
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reports done. Oh.
Really, really, really
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early. I
knew I was gonna, I
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planned this for ages. I
was like, I'm gonna do my
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end of year reports in the
Easter holiday. Cause
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I want - Must be a really
good reflection of the kids
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over the whole year too
far to the way through.
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Well,
no, no, no, because there
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was actually, in fairness,
we've left a little bit
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where we're just gonna add
in a little bit at the
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end. Just
one sentence. Yeah,
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just a little bit. And
in the last term, they
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were also good. Basically,
yeah. But
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look, we already have the
last parents evening. So,
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you know, in my eyes, it's
not many people out there
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just look at their last
parents' evening and go,
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okay, copy, paste that into
a document. Yep.
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And that is the result. I
did use them, because we,
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I don't know, schools are
different, but we write
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notes for parents' evening.
And
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they were really useful to
me for. I
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sat there with my notes
thinking, cause on our
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notes, we put things like -
Cause you don't know your
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kids at all. Yes,
I don't know, but no, it's
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like the stats. So
we quite often collate
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things like how much
they've read and they're
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doing their homework and
things. And
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it's like, if we've got -
Do you think that's a
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waste of time or not then?
Because
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I'm on the side of, I
don't wanna make notes. I
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just talked to you about
the kids. I
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don't normally, I don't
normally do it. I've
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just been brought around to
doing it by not doing it.
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Someone
else does it for me.
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Someone
else writes notes. I
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don't know, I quite like
that. For
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the first time, they were
actually useful for the
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reports. Cause
I was like, oh, I don't
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have to go and, like when
I'm writing about each kid,
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I don't have to now go
and find these three
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different data. So
because they already exist
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from parents' evening, you
have used that to write
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reports. Yeah,
yeah, it was like, I can
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already tell straight away,
okay, do they read lots at
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home? They've
been doing their homework
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regularly. So
that time wasn't necessarily
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wasted. Cause
my point on that is, when
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it's just for parents'
evening, I sometimes feel
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like it's a waste of time.
Because
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when you're sat in front
of the parent, and maybe
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for a report writing as
well, actually be interested
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to know what you hear.
There's
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a lot of stuff that as
teachers, we say it
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parents' evening, or we put
in the reports, that I
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think is completely a waste
of our time. Yeah,
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yeah, 100%. Because
the parents don't care
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either. My
number, there's two things
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that come into this
category for me. Number
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one is telling the parents
how much homework they do.
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To
me is mad. That
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is genuinely like the
parents telling me how much
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maths I do in school.
Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. It's
like, oh, you have to just
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find out through the kid
and hope you're right.
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Because
I don't actually know how
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much reading you do at
home. Oh,
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did you know your child's
not reading? Yeah,
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I do, cause they live with
me. Oh,
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I have a home. Oh,
actually, then they are
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reading. I
just don't write it in the
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report, which is the only
thing, the book that you
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get every week to go off
because I'm guessing. And
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the other thing is when
you're at parents' evening,
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nothing cringes me more
than when you see a
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teacher sit there and say
to a parent, or they're
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doing really well with
their conjunctions, but they
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could very much work on
their front -to -back verbal
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clauses. And
the parents are just being
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polite and they're just
like, hmm. And
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they've got no idea what
you're saying. Complete
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waste of time, only in
parents' evening. However,
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I don't know, with reports,
is that information more
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useful then? No,
I guess, I don't know,
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because it's written down
like forever. It's
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a keepsake. I
suppose it's more useful in
128
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terms of, it's easier to
remember than when they've
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been sat there being told
that kid can't do
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conjunctions. I
don't know, I was quite
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particular with the reports
this time. So
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in the past, I have done
that thing where I've
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always ended up writing a
few sentences where I'm
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like, why am I writing
this? It's
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just jargon, it's rubbish.
Got
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to fill the gap, mate.
Yeah,
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genuinely, that's what's
been in the past. I'll
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fill the gap with these,
just pointless. So
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I was really quite strict
this time with my general
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comments, which, if anyone
not in the report world,
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the general comments is
kind of like the one, it's
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not about a subject, it is
just about the child in
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general in the class. The
most important one, in my
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opinion. Yeah,
definitely, definitely the
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most important one. Spent
the most time on those.
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But
I just kind of wrote
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myself a bullet point list
before I started of the
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types of things I want to
mention. And
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none of them really were
about like specific parts
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of subjects. You
didn't mention how good
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they were at modal verbs.
Yeah,
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no, not at all, not in
general comment. I
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really just focused on
things like their behavior
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in class, what they've been
like as a person was like
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half the paragraph for
everyone. Just
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like what kind of person
they are. That's
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when you want to read as
a parent. Yeah,
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that's what I think, that's
what I think. And
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then if they had a
particular interest in a
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subject, like if I thought
actually that they really
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like, they loved our
history unit system this
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year, then I'll just put a
sentence in saying, oh,
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they really loved our
history, you know, perhaps
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there's an interest there
they can explore further.
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you hand out to your class
like a pro -former of
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questions? Because,
but the point being, anyone
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again who's not in the
teaching mode, probably
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doesn't know what we're
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if you're a parent, we're
opening your eyes at
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actually how reports work
here, because it's really
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hard to write off the top
of your head, really
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detailed, nice reports for
every single child in your
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class without a little bit
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of organization. But
again, I always find it so
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strange when you hand out
this pro -former and it
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might have questions on it
to the children, like what
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was your favorite subject
this year? Which
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project did you enjoy doing
the most? Who
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are your best friends in
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that kind of stuff. And
then you sit through and
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when you write a report,
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in front of you and you'll
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report. I
can see the benefit of it,
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but again, I don't like
doing it because it feels
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weird. It
feels really weird. It's
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basically like I'm not
writing it almost. It's
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the children writing their
own report. Yeah,
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and I'm pretending I knew
it. Yeah,
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and how useful is it
really for a parent to
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read who their kid's
friends are on a report?
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It's
been asked your kid. It's
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been lovely to see insert
name, socializing with
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insert name and insert name
that you forgot to change
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it. I
guess on that point, I
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guess I'm a hypocrite
because I don't like that.
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However,
the use of AI, I'm all
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for when it comes to
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I think there is a slight
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I think what we'll have to
do again, you can talk
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about briefly in a second,
but I think we'll do
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another whole episode on
report writing. I
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think we'll do a whole
episode around it. What's
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involved, the teacher's
perspective, maybe get a
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few perspective parents,
what they want to hear and
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stuff like that. So
if you do have kids at
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school or you're a teacher,
either perspective, do get
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in touch and let us know
your thoughts on reports,
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how you write them, how
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very quickly, Hayden, you
were telling me how you
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were using AI again. We
talked about this last
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year. It
was one of our biggest
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episodes about choosing AI
for reports. Big
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debate, not gonna get into
it now, but you used it,
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how did you find it this
time around? I
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just think it's so useful.
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I can fully appreciate and
understand the misconception
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around it though. Because
I remember last year
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someone said to me, just
on Facebook, a teacher, was
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like, I'll never use AI to
write my reports. And
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their point was, it's just
not personal. It's
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a computer writing it. And
my counter argument was,
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no, no, no, it's absolutely
personal because I'm telling
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the computer all of those
personal things. And
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all it's doing for me is
just putting it into a
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paragraph, like structuring
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I continue to argue. I
think these are the best
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reports I've ever written
in my life because I was
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really able to focus my
time on thinking about the
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child. And
informally, what I did was,
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I used Teachmate AI, there
are other tools as well
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that do it, but I used
Mr. P's
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Teachmate. And
I literally just listed
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with commas in between very
informally, like didn't make
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any sense, just all of the
nice things about this
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child that I wanted to put
into the report. And
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if there were any areas
for development, you put
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them in as well. And
sometimes I won't, I just
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wanted, I literally just
wanted to say all these
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nice things. I
was like, no, this kid's
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just just, there's just
nothing to work on. Just
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need to carry on doing
what they're doing. And
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then I press a button, and
then it takes away the
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next 10 minutes of my
time, which is just
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formulating those things
into nice formal sentences.
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Because
you're not an author. At
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the end of that, that is
like an authorial, like,
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you know, skill set. It's
to beautifully present and
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be a wordsmith and make it
breedable. Like
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that's not actually part of
our job at all. You've
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done the part of your job,
which is knowing your
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children, writing what you
want to put in there. To
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me, genuinely, it won't be
long before it's seen on
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the same level as spell
check. Like
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no one now, if you write
down definitely and you put
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an A in the wrong place,
and spell check puts a red
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line and you click on it
and change it, no one to,
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bloody computer wrote that,
you don't know just about
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that. No,
it doesn't matter because
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you know what, I still
know what I want to write.
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Well,
I've got a question for
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you because this is what
someone said to me last
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year. I
have an answer for it, but
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I wanna know if you've got
something on top of it.
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I know the answer. No,
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no, just my opinion on
this, right? So
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they said, okay then, Mr.
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AI, this person was not
happy that using AI. He
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was like, okay, anyone that
uses AI, I think it should
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stay at the bottom of the
report. This
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report was generated using
AI. Would
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you be happy to have that
on the report sent to
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parents? Okay,
would I actually care? No,
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but do I think it's
remotely necessary? Also
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no. I
would have no problem. I
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think if I had a problem
saying to a parent, AI
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helped me write these
reports, I think I
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shouldn't use it. So
I think if I have a
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problem letting parents know
that that was used, then
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that's something that I
shouldn't do. If
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I'm trying to hide that
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I think I would have no
problem saying to parents,
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I used AI. I
think the problem would be
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on the end of the
receiver, of them having
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these misconceptions and
thinking that was wrong and
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them having a problem with
it. That
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would be annoying. But
I personally think if I'm
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happy to use AI to write
reports, I also think
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people should be happy to
say they used AI. I
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think that weird middle
ground of, I'm happy to
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use it, but I know I
shouldn't say it. Well,
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then you've got a
disconnect there. You've
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something's wrong. I
think it was a really
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loaded question because I
think it plays on the fact
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that the majority of
parents, especially last
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year when it was really
new, absolutely don't know
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anything about how it
works. And
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we'll just assume that it's
not personal when it's just
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a computer. It's
just generated your comment.
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I think I'd quite happily
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put AI has generated these
reports. If
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it also came with a bit
of understanding explanation
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on how exactly AI was
used. Because
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I think if a parent was
told what we've just said
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about how it's all this
personal things put into a
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place that we thought about
and typed up and then it
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just formulates it into a
paragraph for you, they'd
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be like, oh, that's nice.
That's
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fine. And
if they're not, it's sort
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of like, oh, I didn't
realize you were reading
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the reports to judge my
writing style. I
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thought you were reading
the report to find out how
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your child is at school.
Sorry,
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I'll make sure that my
writing style is the
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forefront of it. Or
if the AI somehow has like
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scandalled their books and
come up with the thing
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themselves, then that would,
to me, that would be an
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issue then, I think. And
I think maybe eventually
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people will start thinking,
that's not, like, I don't
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know. But
right now at this point,
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as the teacher, I have
full autonomy over what
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gets inputted into the AI.
Then
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the AI does its work, then
it gets an output, and I
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don't just put that in the
box and not read it. I
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read the output, then I'll
do any edits I need to.
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I'm
gonna say this a million
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times. I
don't think it's an issue.
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I could imagine if there
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was an AI thing right
where it was just a couple
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of drop down menus that
was just like, are they,
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it was like scale of, are
they nice or not? Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
they work hard or not. One
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to seven. What's
that behavior like? And
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then you press a button
and it just makes up. It
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just like pretends as if
it knows, but that would
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be different. Well,
I'll tell you something.
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You've
essentially described what
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happened previously. I
know, I know. Which
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was like, you'd go into
Twinkle. So
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again, anyone who's got
reports of children is
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thinking, what a lovely
report. Just
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like, get like seven from
your class or me at all
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because what used to happen
beforehand. And
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I never did this, by the
way. And
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not everyone, by the way,
but a lot of people do
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this. No,
no, no, no, but a lot of
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people use it. And
do you know what? I
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don't actually want to rip
them at all because it's a
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horrible process that takes
so much of our own time
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and it made it quicker for
people. But
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I never liked using these
because what basically you
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would get is this Twinkle
document, let's say, it
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could be from anywhere, but
there were some on Twinkle
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that a lot of people used.
You'd
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go in and they would have
these banks of sentences.
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you would have these
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columns, let's say seven
columns to form each
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column's a sentence. And
it makes a paragraph at
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the end. So
you're on like the tab for
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maths, let's say. And
then in this first column,
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it will have loads of pre
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their place value knowledge.
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it might be fantastic at
place value, often pushing
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themselves to problem
solving questions. Good
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at place value sometimes
makes some mistakes with
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carrying numbers. All
the way down. All
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the way down to needs
adult support every day
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with place value, but
trying hard kind of thing.
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then you would pick a
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sentence from one manually,
go to two, pick a sentence
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from two manually. And
again, you're building it
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as the teacher, so you are
still putting what you
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think. But
it is very much more close
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to what you said, which is
just pre -determined
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procedural, the computer's
just completely working for
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you. Whereas
AI is such a good middle
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ground to me because I can
sit there with maybe some
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data or my own brain and
my experience of these
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children and just write
down, beautifully behaved,
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what's really well in the
group, has a lot of close
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friends. And
you can do specific things
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as well. Yeah,
has represented the school
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of football. Yeah,
I was even putting in
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things like, they've
developed a really nice
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friendship with and putting
a name in it. Like
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really, really personal
specific things. And
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it just put it into a
sentence for me. And
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if it didn't, and I'll
tell you what, one thing I
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would say is though, there
was not a single report
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that I'd just copied and
pasted though. Every
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single one, there was still
just a tiny bit of
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tweaking needed. Like
just the odd sentence taken
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out or a little thing
added in where I was like,
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I can't think of a way to
word this for the AI to
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put in. So
I'm just gonna write a
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sentence at the end myself.
But
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it cut out 95 % of that
time. Okay,
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here's a question to finish
off this report chat. You
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haven't used your AI for
reports now from last year
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and this year. You've
already said that you would
401
00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,460
rank them as the best
reports you've written.
402
00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:46,060
100%. But
my question to you is, do
403
00:13:46,060 --> 00:13:48,940
you feel like they are
more individualized than
404
00:13:48,940 --> 00:13:51,320
ever before? Yes,
definitely. Because
405
00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,280
in the past, I would just
get so burnt out from the
406
00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,300
sentence writing process
that once I get up to the
407
00:13:57,300 --> 00:13:59,500
23rd person that I'm doing.
Who
408
00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:02,160
they seem to be. Yeah,
genuinely, genuinely. It
409
00:14:02,168 --> 00:14:04,460
would just be, I'd
literally be either
410
00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:06,620
physically copying and
pasting someone else's
411
00:14:06,620 --> 00:14:08,960
report and changing names
and just few sentences or
412
00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,000
subliminally writing the
exact same thing. Cause
413
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,500
there's only so many
different ways you can
414
00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:15,220
think of writing at the
same sentence about someone
415
00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:18,320
who's well behaved. Whereas
AI, just every single one
416
00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,220
was unique. They
are beautifully behaved.
417
00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,940
They
are amazingly behaved. Their
418
00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:23,180
behavior is beautiful. They
are amazingly, beautifully
419
00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:25,380
behaved. They
are behaved in an amazingly
420
00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:27,420
beautiful way. Yeah,
I think that's just a
421
00:14:27,420 --> 00:14:29,360
weird stigma around it. I
think report writing can be
422
00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,980
streamlined massively, kept
very personal, but AI can
423
00:14:31,980 --> 00:14:34,160
do the groundwork. And
you found Teachmate was
424
00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,900
good with that. Teachmate
was really good. Yeah,
425
00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,000
chat GPT, really good. Any
AI tools are just really
426
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,240
good. I
think what Teachmate does
427
00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,440
is basically just takes, I
imagine it takes something
428
00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,320
like chat GPT and it just
puts it into an already
429
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,160
structured way. It
just speeds up process a
430
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,320
bit. Easy
to use. Cause
431
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,980
I used chat GPT last year
and it was absolutely fine.
432
00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:53,820
Yeah,
it was cool. That
433
00:14:53,820 --> 00:14:54,800
was a nice little side
chat. I
434
00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,440
loved that. I
loved that. Yeah,
435
00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,560
so - We'll come back to
reports. Yeah,
436
00:14:57,580 --> 00:14:58,320
we'll come back to reports.
We'll
437
00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,200
do a whole episode on
that. Well,
438
00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:00,680
that was the episode
basically. What
439
00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,080
we'll do is we'll put that
15 minutes into your chat
440
00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,420
GPT and say, can you write
a script for an hour long
441
00:15:05,420 --> 00:15:06,620
episode? And
it'll be a brilliant
442
00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:08,280
episode. No
problem at all. It'll
443
00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,600
be quite funny to do that
one day. Yeah,
444
00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:10,860
really? An
AI episode. Like
445
00:15:10,868 --> 00:15:12,200
the way it's scripted.
Fully
446
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,620
scripted. God,
I can't imagine doing a
447
00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:15,740
podcast scripted. Anyone
who's listed as podcast
448
00:15:15,740 --> 00:15:17,960
like for more than three
episodes, like you guys
449
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,660
scripted. We
don't even plan it. You'll
450
00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:22,240
be pleased to know guys
that it's actually scripted
451
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,640
right now. We're
reading everything. Every
452
00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,440
single word off a prompt.
So
453
00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,180
you'll be pleased to hear
that. So
454
00:15:27,180 --> 00:15:32,660
apart from that, I've heard
some news about you. Oh.
455
00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,000
Yeah. I
think, why is it we now?
456
00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,360
We're
in April. I
457
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,040
think it was in February,
you said you were gonna
458
00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,460
join me on this No Sugar
Crusade. That
459
00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:42,040
was in January. That
was in January, was it?
460
00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:42,980
How's
that been going for three
461
00:15:42,980 --> 00:15:47,220
months? Oh,
well, you know, stuff got
462
00:15:47,220 --> 00:15:48,820
in the way. East
was great. I
463
00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:51,440
had a lot of East. I
mean, I really tried hard
464
00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,800
not to eat my Easter eggs.
Did
465
00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:53,980
you? I
tried hard. How
466
00:15:53,980 --> 00:15:55,800
many Easter eggs did you
get as an adult 31 year
467
00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,600
old man? Probably
like five. That's
468
00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,080
decent. That
was good. Yeah,
469
00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,500
they went in two days.
Past
470
00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,540
that, you'd be lucky to
get one, honestly. They
471
00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:04,800
went in two days. Two
days, two days gone. That
472
00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,120
is mad, innit? All
five. Yeah,
473
00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,640
really crazy. So
come on, what are you
474
00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,720
doing? Come
on. Okay,
475
00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:10,140
right. Hold
yourself accountable like
476
00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:12,480
you did last time and you
did absolutely nothing. So
477
00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,460
come on. I'm
sick of it, guys. I'm
478
00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:16,440
sick of it. I'm
putting on weight again.
479
00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,700
He's
losing weight. He's
480
00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,100
like two stone down. I
think if we both stood on
481
00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,560
the scale in January and
now, same amount of weight
482
00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,320
still between us. What
do you mean? I'm
483
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,240
around. Just
leveled out. Yeah,
484
00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:28,420
it's ridiculous. I've
put on like a stone since
485
00:16:28,420 --> 00:16:29,620
January. He's
lost his weight. Oh
486
00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:32,680
no, we'd be much lighter.
So
487
00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,620
I'm joining him. I'm
sick of it. I
488
00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,960
feel tired every day. I'm
just, yeah, constantly. I
489
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,160
wake up feeling absolutely
exhausted. My
490
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,780
favorite realization was on
the tired thing. And
491
00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:43,960
you'll know what I'm gonna
say because we said it
492
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,340
before. And
it was almost like an
493
00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:49,020
epiphany moment where I
used to feel so tired. I
494
00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:51,820
think what didn't help was
genuinely, and I know a
495
00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:54,220
lot of you guys out there
still do this and I know
496
00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:56,600
how tough it is, genuinely
working full time in a
497
00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,040
school during term time is
unbelievably exhausting.
498
00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:00,420
We'll
talk about that later about
499
00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:03,720
holidays and stuff. But
I used to then, okay, got
500
00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,660
to a Friday. I'd
have a really good night's
501
00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:07,020
sleep. Like
honestly, I'd go to bed at
502
00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:09,380
between eight and nine and
I wouldn't get a bed till
503
00:17:09,380 --> 00:17:11,000
10. This
was pre -Rory when we could
504
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,480
get up when everyone had,
we stepped all the way
505
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,839
through the night. I'd
wake up after 11, 12 hours
506
00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,700
sleep and still feel like
crap and still feel awful
507
00:17:17,700 --> 00:17:20,300
and still feel tired. And
at that point, I remember
508
00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:23,680
we talking, we said, oh,
it's not lack of sleep.
509
00:17:23,859 --> 00:17:24,960
That's
making me tired. There
510
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,720
are other reasons why you
feel exhausted and it's not
511
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,960
always just lack of sleep.
And
512
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,580
when we got enough sleep
and still felt terrible,
513
00:17:31,060 --> 00:17:33,620
ah, it's a horrendous diet.
And
514
00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:36,360
I tell you what, it's hard
to compare now because
515
00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,180
since I started No Sugar,
I've had a newborn and
516
00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:40,880
Rory's six months today, by
the way. Half
517
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,300
a year of Rory's crazy,
absolutely love it. But
518
00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:47,920
I still, I genuinely, at
any given point right now,
519
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,420
feel much less tired than
I used to when I didn't
520
00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:53,060
have Rory, but I was
eating crap. I
521
00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:55,280
feel horribly tired right
now. And
522
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,120
I'm already all day. Do
you know what I do? You
523
00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,860
actually do look tired. I'm
finding that I'm getting
524
00:18:00,860 --> 00:18:03,500
proper purple baggy eyes
every day, no matter how
525
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,040
much sleep I get. And
I'm like, yeah, it's diet,
526
00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,680
it's diet, it's sugar.
Sugar
527
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,780
is just so bad. So
what do you think about
528
00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:13,100
sugar? I
saw something recently, so
529
00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:14,900
I'm interested to your
opinion, do you think
530
00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:16,620
sugar's addictive? Do
you think you've got an
531
00:18:16,620 --> 00:18:19,100
addiction? Yeah,
yeah, I think. Because
532
00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:21,000
it can undermine other
addictions sometimes. I
533
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,200
think people worry about
that. That's
534
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,900
the big worry of it. We'll
come after that. I
535
00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:26,220
don't know if I'm addicted
to sugar, but I don't
536
00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:28,340
know, I guess I am, but
I'm addicted to chocolate.
537
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,800
Because
if you offered me a bag
538
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,720
of Harry Boe right now,
I'd be like, no. But
539
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,600
if you gave me an Easter
egg, I'd eat a whole
540
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,960
Easter egg right now. Right
this day, just for context,
541
00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:38,720
it's the morning right now.
I
542
00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,560
haven't even had breakfast
yet. It's
543
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,600
26 minutes past nine. And
I would devour an Easter
544
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,640
egg right now. But
I wouldn't even eat
545
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,380
breakfast, right? Do
you know what I mean? I
546
00:18:48,380 --> 00:18:50,800
see that as a problem, the
fact that I eat chocolate.
547
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,040
So
you're not actually hungry?
548
00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:53,340
You're
not actually hungry right
549
00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:55,860
now. But
my highest priority of food
550
00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:59,100
at all times in terms of
what I fancy eating is
551
00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:02,300
always, I'm not joking, it
is always chocolate first.
552
00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:03,660
Like
no matter what. So
553
00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:06,900
you made a good point now
of like, you wouldn't scoff
554
00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:12,400
a Harry Boe bag. You
wouldn't sit there with a
555
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,980
bag of one kilogram sugar,
scooping into your mouth
556
00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:16,660
like, I just really needed
to shiver. It's
557
00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:18,660
not an addiction like
drugs, like a class A
558
00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:21,520
drugs, like horribly, like
life -ruining, like
559
00:19:21,528 --> 00:19:22,680
addictive. Is
it like an amalgamation
560
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,920
then? Have
you seen this chocolate? Is
561
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,780
it like, because I know
exactly what you feel.
562
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:26,780
People
listening to this will know
563
00:19:26,780 --> 00:19:29,160
the same thing. They
really want some chocolate.
564
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,200
They
know they shouldn't, but
565
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,520
they're like, oh, do you
know what I'm saying? I'll
566
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,020
have a bit, I'll have a
little bit. And
567
00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:34,740
it feels unreal whilst
you're eating it. Like
568
00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:36,280
when it's in your mouth,
genuinely the texture and
569
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,840
you just chewing away and
you're like, oh, this is
570
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,920
just what I wanted. And
then how many seconds after
571
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,580
you've finished that
mouthful, do you revert
572
00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:47,920
back to a base? Yeah,
like 30 seconds. It's
573
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,000
such a small, whatever the
word is. Go
574
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,280
on, go on. I
don't know what that is.
575
00:19:52,420 --> 00:19:53,400
It's
a small, I don't know.
576
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:54,320
What's
the word? I
577
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,940
don't know. It's
chocolate. It's
578
00:19:55,948 --> 00:19:58,200
a small cool down. A
cool down of like, yeah.
579
00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,540
But
then I sometimes feel like,
580
00:19:59,660 --> 00:20:01,940
I feel worse. Like
it doesn't get me to the
581
00:20:01,940 --> 00:20:03,000
base. It
gets me to lower than the
582
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,880
base. I
want some more chocolate
583
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,800
still. Yeah,
then you get a massive
584
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,640
sugar high and they always
talk about, you know, sugar
585
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,540
highs and sugar dips and
that. Absolutely
586
00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:09,640
real. The
amount of times we've been
587
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,180
sat here doing some work
in our offices and I've
588
00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:13,780
just devoured some chocolate
and then half an hour
589
00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:16,800
later, I can't think. And
I just think, I need to
590
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,340
go and lay down. I'm
tired. It's
591
00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:20,060
terrible. Basically,
the crux of this story is,
592
00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:23,140
I need to grow up. This
needs to stop. It's
593
00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:24,920
actually ruining my life,
genuinely. And
594
00:20:24,928 --> 00:20:27,800
it's probably knocking years
off my life because sugar
595
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,740
is terrible. And
I'm eating way, way, way
596
00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:32,600
over the daily recommended
allowance of sugar every
597
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,020
single day. Do
you know, is it, someone
598
00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:35,900
said, I read somewhere,
maybe it was your Lauren
599
00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:36,840
actually was talking about
it. I
600
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,220
think it's, you're allowed
30 grams of sugar a day.
601
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,820
It's
tiny, whatever it is. 30
602
00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:43,220
grams of sugar. But
my point here is, that
603
00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:46,140
sounds, that sounds like
quite a lot of sugar every
604
00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:48,680
single day now that I
don't eat any sugar, right?
605
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,140
And
I'm sure I obviously have
606
00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:51,320
some sugar in other things.
I
607
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,840
don't eat sugary stuff. But
then, when you actually,
608
00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:55,980
honestly, you've seen this
before, we all work in
609
00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:57,440
schools, most of us have
listened to this podcast.
610
00:20:57,780 --> 00:20:59,420
You've
seen the displays where
611
00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:01,220
they have sugar cubes
underneath like the drinks
612
00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:04,400
and stuff. 30 grams of
sugar is genuinely a
613
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,140
quarter of an Easter egg.
Like
614
00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:08,320
it's, and I know, I get
it. I
615
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,160
get it when people are
like, oh, just enjoy
616
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,820
Easter, just have fun. I
completely agree, of course
617
00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:14,260
you should. And
if you have three eggs in
618
00:21:14,260 --> 00:21:15,920
a day, don't worry about
it. But
619
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,420
you know what, you might
be normal and then go the
620
00:21:18,420 --> 00:21:19,920
next two weeks without any
chocolate. I'll
621
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,620
do that 365 days a year.
It's
622
00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:22,900
gonna be Easter eggs, it'll
be other chocolate. But
623
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,980
I used to, on the way
from home, I used to nip
624
00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:27,820
into Tesco, pretty much
every day or the corner
625
00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:31,080
shop, right? Simply
to get snacks. Knowing
626
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,080
I had dinner soon. But
I was like, no, no, no,
627
00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:35,280
no, no, I want a whole
dime share bar of
628
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,360
chocolate. And
I'll eat it, right? I'll
629
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:39,960
eat it in the car from
the way home, sorry, from
630
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,800
the way from the shop to
home. And
631
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,380
it will be gone and I'll
get in and then I don't
632
00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:44,820
have to tell Lorna I had
any. And
633
00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:46,520
then I said, go on, that's
shit. I'll
634
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,880
eat my dinner anyway, then
I'll have a snack after
635
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,620
dinner. Or
I'll eat one half of my
636
00:21:49,620 --> 00:21:50,540
dinner. I
won't eat meat, because
637
00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:52,480
I'll be full then. And
I'll have some. It's
638
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,720
just such a cycle. And
do you know what you've
639
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,840
got to do sometimes? It's
just break it and just
640
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,600
don't do it. And
convince yourself, I have
641
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,740
an argument with myself
probably four times a week,
642
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,720
which is an argument
against myself. Because
643
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,680
I think, oh, I can't have
a bit, it's been long
644
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,860
enough, I can have a bit
of sugar, I'll have a
645
00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:10,440
chocolate bar. And
I have to argue with
646
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,860
myself at least four times
a week saying, no, number
647
00:22:13,860 --> 00:22:15,820
one, you simply don't need
it. Number
648
00:22:15,820 --> 00:22:17,560
two, it will not make you
feel better. And
649
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,140
number three, you will not
stop after you start. This
650
00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:20,840
is why I think it is an
addiction. Because
651
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,400
you know how like, if
you're addicted to anything
652
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,720
else, for example, the most
common addiction. Alcohol
653
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,120
in terms of the type of
drug. Alcohol
654
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,200
is a very, very, very
common addiction. And
655
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,100
it's like, you wouldn't go
up to an alcoholic and
656
00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:32,720
say, oh, well done, you've
not had alcohol for six
657
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,860
months. Here's
a little bit of it. Yeah,
658
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,520
yeah, yeah. It's
famously the opposite, isn't
659
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,220
it? Yeah,
like every alcoholic ever
660
00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:41,000
that's managed to stop
drinking alcohol will tell
661
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,120
you, they cannot have a
single one. Like
662
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,520
if they have one drink,
they will spiral. And
663
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,000
they always describe
themselves as alcoholic
664
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,620
still. Like
they could be sober for
665
00:22:48,620 --> 00:22:50,180
nine years. Like
I'm an alcoholic, I've been
666
00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:52,420
sober for nine years. And
I know, I don't wanna, I
667
00:22:52,420 --> 00:22:55,740
don't wanna, pretend that
me eating chocolate is as
668
00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:57,360
bad as that. It's
not as bad, I get it. But
669
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,460
there is a similarity in
terms of, for example, in
670
00:23:01,460 --> 00:23:04,220
January, I did the no
sugar for like two weeks,
671
00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:05,640
right? And
then it was Lauren's
672
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,780
birthday and stuff. And
we had a bit of cake, a
673
00:23:07,780 --> 00:23:11,140
bit of chocolate cake. The
second I ate one single
674
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,300
piece of chocolate, I
spiralled and I lost it. I
675
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:14,800
lost it. And
I've done that multiple
676
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,380
times in my life where I
don't take it seriously.
677
00:23:16,660 --> 00:23:17,640
Which
is why I said to you,
678
00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:19,600
because the other week
Dylan was around and you
679
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,700
were gonna eat a cream egg
or something like that. I
680
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,160
was like, I was probably
not going to, but I was
681
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,380
as close as I'd been in.
Yeah,
682
00:23:26,420 --> 00:23:27,840
and I could tell you were
quite close. And
683
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,020
I was just really brutal
with you. And
684
00:23:30,028 --> 00:23:31,860
I was like, no, no, if
you do that, you'll put
685
00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:33,560
all your weight back on
within three months. That's
686
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,060
my bet. I'll
put money on it. You
687
00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,160
didn't say three months,
mate. You
688
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,120
said like three weeks.
Yeah,
689
00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:38,480
whatever I said, you know.
But
690
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,620
I was being serious. And
I think you take it
691
00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:43,040
seriously as well in terms
of knowing that. Because
692
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,360
it's true. It's
true. We're
693
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,180
terrible. I
am addicted to chocolate.
694
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,540
We're
in our thirties now, it's
695
00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:49,400
a pattern for us. Okay,
it's a pattern. We've
696
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,740
been chatting about this
long enough now. I
697
00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:53,620
think anyone listening, if
you feel the same way, let
698
00:23:53,628 --> 00:23:55,380
us know. Because
is it just us? I
699
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:57,680
don't know. But
like I genuinely have a
700
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,680
problem. And
I have to, I spend some
701
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,900
point every week arguing
against myself, don't do
702
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:06,060
it, because you simply
don't need to. Simpler
703
00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:06,960
as that. It's
really hard. I'm
704
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,600
going to give it a go and
we'll keep it accountable.
705
00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:10,440
Yeah.
We'll see how it goes. We
706
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,000
will, we will. I
love this. This
707
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,360
intro is turned into like,
not even an intro. Yeah,
708
00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:16,160
it's brilliant. I
think for this episode,
709
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,100
what I'll do, I'm going to
revert back to our old
710
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,280
little three parts and just
we'll talk about all three
711
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,520
different things. Oh,
that's nice. Yeah,
712
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,580
because then, you know, get
more people listening. Guys,
713
00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:26,240
if you love this episodes,
which I know you do, if
714
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,980
you listen this one, if
you've listened to 25
715
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:31,020
minutes of this absolute
tosh, then you obviously
716
00:24:31,020 --> 00:24:32,580
love listening to the
episode. Can
717
00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:34,580
you please give us a
review on Spotify? And
718
00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:36,260
can you please get in
touch with us on Instagram?
719
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:37,520
It's
the place to be. Okay,
720
00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:39,680
go to Instagram, send us a
message, get involved in
721
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,100
the polls, and like
literally everything on meme
722
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:44,720
I've made ever. My
most recent meme was linked
723
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,280
to what we're going to
talk about today. It
724
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,080
was a Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire meme. And
725
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,580
it was fun doing it,
because obviously I've been
726
00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:53,000
on a real thing. So
it was - You've been on
727
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,240
the real thing? Oh,
I didn't, sorry. I
728
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,400
wasn't going to actually
mention it, but - Dylan's
729
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,960
been on Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire. Sorry,
730
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,960
I need your help. I'll
tell you what, that
731
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,100
question that I made, much
harder than my 125 ,000
732
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,400
-pound question. I
got the question. Honestly.
733
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,200
But yeah, so we're going
to talk in this episode
734
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,280
all about how to make the
most of the summer
735
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,400
holidays. School
holidays. Yeah,
736
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,980
yeah, the summer holidays.
I
737
00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:17,140
wish it was the summer
holidays. The
738
00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:18,520
school holidays in general.
And
739
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,020
have a little chat, because
there's perceptions, there's
740
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:23,460
ideas, and teachers spend
it very differently. So
741
00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:25,560
I think it's going to be
a nice chat. Shall
742
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,800
we play the jingle here?
Cue
743
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,200
it. Come
on, pal. Don't
744
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,300
touch me. Oh,
welcome back. I
745
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,160
hate when he touches me.
Welcome
746
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,400
back, guys. You
really thrown me off now.
747
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:38,600
I
don't have to say. Yeah.
748
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440
Oh, God. Dylan
earlier, so I've got to
749
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,960
say this. I
know what you're going to
750
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,900
say. When
he got here to come
751
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,120
record. I
was waiting for him, and I
752
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,540
just happened to look
outside my office window,
753
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,060
which goes out to the
front of the house. And
754
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:53,840
I'd looked out and just
saw his car there, and I
755
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,780
saw him in it, just
looking really like grumpy.
756
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,040
And
looking at my house, and I
757
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,720
was thinking, what's he
doing? I
758
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,860
was just staring at him,
thinking, I want to look
759
00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:03,120
up and see me, and he
just didn't move. I
760
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,660
was like, what is he
doing? It
761
00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:08,540
was ever so slightly,
lightly raining. You
762
00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:10,160
know when it's like that
fine mist rain? It's
763
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,920
not even raining, really.
It
764
00:26:10,928 --> 00:26:13,600
was raining. And
Dylan, I lose my phone,
765
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:15,060
thinking, he's clearly going
to text me, or he's going
766
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:15,880
to tell me what's going
on. And
767
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,280
he texts me saying, I'm
not getting out of this
768
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,660
car till that front door
opens. I'm
769
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:20,820
like, get to the front
door, because it's raining.
770
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,200
I'm
not going to want to walk
771
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,180
in the rain for more than
three seconds. Who
772
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:27,580
wants to walk in the rain?
I
773
00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:30,400
hate the rain, and I hate
the wind. April
774
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,800
is the worst month. Oh,
April showers. It's
775
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,760
not funny. It's
horrible. And
776
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,380
the wind as well. Oh
my God. Just
777
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:38,440
can you just, I don't mind
if it's hot or cold,
778
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,440
because I can dress
appropriately. But
779
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,880
if the wind is blasting 40
miles an hour in my face,
780
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,320
I can't do anything about
that. You
781
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,760
be you mate. The
main time, pit pitter
782
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,300
patter. Who
wants pitter patter, pitter
783
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:48,800
patter, pitter patter on
their neck? Anyway,
784
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:50,680
join us after the jingle,
where we're going to talk
785
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,640
about the school holidays.
OK,
786
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,620
we've laid some ground
rules. Hey,
787
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,220
there's not going to touch
me anymore, and we're not
788
00:26:57,220 --> 00:27:00,360
going to talk about bloody
rain or wind. Anyway,
789
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:01,740
guys, we're here. We're
going to talk about the
790
00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:04,020
holidays, because we are in
the middle of the Easter
791
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:05,940
holidays. And
for me, if I was to rank
792
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:08,400
the holidays in order,
Easter holiday probably
793
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,820
comes top two. Yeah.
I'd say it's up there.
794
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,460
Chris,
nice. It's
795
00:27:12,468 --> 00:27:15,820
needed. No,
I put summer first. Yeah,
796
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,340
summer first, obviously. Oh,
right. I
797
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:18,580
see. No,
no, no. I
798
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:22,840
put, in my opinion, I
genuinely put summer, then
799
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,660
Easter, then Christmas. I
suppose why? Why
800
00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:26,200
am I? Because
the further through the
801
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,720
school year, the more burnt
out I feel. Yeah,
802
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,480
true. Simple
as that. And
803
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,160
I think right now, I
absolutely love these two
804
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,640
weeks, because I also feel
like the two weeks are
805
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,300
completely within my
control. Whereas
806
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:38,480
Christmas, yeah, you get
two weeks, but. Busy.
807
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,680
But you're not, though, are
you? Because
808
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,940
you have to go and do
stuff. Like,
809
00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:42,780
you don't actually have a
choice, man. Christmas.
810
00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:45,220
Yeah. Yeah.
Christmas, Christmas -y.
811
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:46,280
There's
all that to fair. There
812
00:27:46,288 --> 00:27:47,320
is lots of stuff on.
There's
813
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
just not, I feel like with
these two weeks, I have
814
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,420
complete control of the two
weeks. I
815
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:53,060
can manage what I'm going
to do. I
816
00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:55,120
can schedule stuff. And
we're going to talk about
817
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:56,420
that in a second, how to
make the most of it. But
818
00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:59,320
I would say my top three
holidays of the school
819
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,040
year, summer holidays number
one, Easter holidays number
820
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,640
two, Christmas holidays
number three. I
821
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,480
agree. I
agree. I
822
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,380
agree. And
normally, I wouldn't even
823
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:06,720
do reports in Easter. I'd
actually have a proper
824
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,980
break. But
the only reason I'm doing
825
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:10,760
it is because in the next
half term, we're going to
826
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,840
Center Park. So
I thought, do you know
827
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,940
what? I'm
just going to try and get
828
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:15,420
as much done as I can and
just have that two weeks
829
00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:16,380
off. I
might join you. I
830
00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:18,420
might join you as well. Or
I might not. At
831
00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:20,540
Center Park. You
are invited. I
832
00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:22,840
might do my reports at
Center Park whilst you're
833
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,400
off paying 700 pound for a
15 minute skiing, like dry
834
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,040
ski experience. Let's
talk about Center Park
835
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,820
another day. Anyway,
making the most of
836
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:35,580
holidays. Yeah.
So the first question to
837
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:37,080
you is, what do you
actually do in the
838
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
holidays? Because
we kind of had a little
839
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,000
five minute chat before
this because we knew we
840
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,140
were going to talk about
the holidays. We
841
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:46,760
spent a good like 60
seconds in our own head
842
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,840
trying to think what we've
done in these other days
843
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,320
that's already happened. So
for you, you get to the
844
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,400
end of a long time. You're
a little bit burnt out.
845
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:56,080
You've
been working hard. We
846
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,180
all know teaching is crazy
in terms of the amount of
847
00:28:58,180 --> 00:28:59,320
overtime we have to do.
And
848
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,620
it's not just a nine to
five job. It's
849
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:04,400
really intense for a good
six or seven weeks. You
850
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,240
finally get to your
holidays. What
851
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,840
are you doing? First
couple of days, I try to
852
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,500
do absolutely nothing. And
by nothing, I don't mean
853
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,580
just laying in bed all day
because we can't now. We've
854
00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:19,360
got kids. And
the version of nothing now
855
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,460
is just like, we had a
home day the other day.
856
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:22,880
Well,
I said to Lauren, I was
857
00:29:22,888 --> 00:29:25,620
like, can we just, let's
just, can we just not go
858
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:27,160
and see anyone or do
anything today? Because
859
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,900
we, so we quite often
we'll take her out and go
860
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,120
to my mom's or her mom's.
I
861
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,060
was like, can we just stay
at home and just chill
862
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:35,320
out? I
just want to sit down for
863
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,800
a bit. So
a couple of those days. I
864
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,040
mean, I thought it's
different because I think
865
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,380
with us because we've got
our business as well. We
866
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:43,100
don't really get a break
with that. No.
867
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,240
Like we're kind of just
nonstop grinding the
868
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,780
business a bit. So
I feel like there's always
869
00:29:47,780 --> 00:29:51,620
something to do. But
I know pre -business. I
870
00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:53,440
would try to have a break.
Yeah,
871
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,420
I don't know. I
guess we can talk about
872
00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:59,380
the difference between pre
and after kids. I
873
00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:02,060
think pre kids, when the
holidays came round, I
874
00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:04,200
absolutely loved the
complete freedom it gave
875
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,520
me. And
I think we shouldn't
876
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,560
pretend as teachers that we
like to talk doom and
877
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,860
gloom. I
like to talk doom and
878
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:10,960
gloom. I
like to complain about
879
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,860
things. Yes,
of course. But
880
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:14,120
we have to sometimes, and
I think holidays is one of
881
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,320
those things, we simply
have to just admit that
882
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,860
it's bloody good. And
it is, we are lucky to
883
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:21,560
get these holidays. And
I know that people are
884
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,460
burnt out and I know we
need them. People
885
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:25,160
always say, yeah, but we
need them because we do,
886
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,020
we work so hard. Correct.
But it's also still bloody
887
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:29,280
good. And
there's still a lot of
888
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,860
people who do a lot of
overtime. And
889
00:30:30,868 --> 00:30:33,360
I know it's not the same
overall as teaching. People
890
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,960
might be listening to this
as teachers, be like, oh,
891
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:36,920
you can't say that. It's
like, well, I can. Can't
892
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,540
I? Because
the holidays are bloody
893
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:40,580
good. And
I don't know. I
894
00:30:40,588 --> 00:30:43,160
feel like pre -kids
especially, when the
895
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,800
holidays came around, I
absolutely enjoyed cordoning
896
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,580
off time. That
was a big thing for me.
897
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:50,400
And
I'm thinking how to make
898
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,660
the most of the summer
holiday, any school holiday.
899
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:54,380
It
would be taking, I'm going
900
00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:55,560
to say some holidays, hold
up. To
901
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,680
make the most of any
school holiday. For
902
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,840
me, I think it's about
really controlling your
903
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,420
time. And
I think you have to cordon
904
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:07,080
off things and say, okay,
I'm going to plan when I
905
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,940
do stuff. So
I know I've got work to
906
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:11,160
do, a little bit of work
to do. I
907
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,000
know I've got time where I
just want to decompress.
908
00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:13,820
And
I know I've got time where
909
00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:16,280
I want to see family. To
me, they're friends. They're
910
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,000
three very different things.
And
911
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,380
I think it's so important
to just decompress as a
912
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:24,320
teacher and have those days
where you are not at a
913
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,020
beck and call of anyone.
And
914
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,020
it's interesting, how did
you find that with the
915
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:30,020
baby? Because
before the baby, you could
916
00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:32,520
very easily just sit in
this room, play a game for
917
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,040
three hours, go downstairs
and watch Simpsons for
918
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080
three hours. The
day where you just do
919
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,240
yourself. Can't
do that now. How
920
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,920
do you find the difference
now that we've got the
921
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,960
youngsters? Like,
can you actually switch
922
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,020
off? Did
you feel like you switched
923
00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,280
off? A
little bit, but you have
924
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,420
to plan. You
have to properly plan
925
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:46,920
ahead. Like,
I was talking to Lauren
926
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,620
saying that I want to do
the reports this term, this
927
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:50,740
half term. And
she was like, okay, in the
928
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:52,980
past, it would have just
been, oh, just any old day
929
00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,220
where we wouldn't do
anything, just get them
930
00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:55,460
done. Just
we'll work on them across
931
00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:56,580
a couple of days. She
was like, but this time
932
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:58,900
she was like, okay, can we
put a date in the diary
933
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:00,500
with them when you're going
to do the reports? Because
934
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:01,980
otherwise we're just going
to be waiting around, like
935
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:05,420
maybe do stuff with her or
it's not as fun now. Just
936
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:07,260
staying indoors all day
when you've got a child
937
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:09,720
that will start screaming
if you don't do things. So
938
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,600
we, I finally have to be
a bit more organized now.
939
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:12,600
I
actually planned. So
940
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,460
I did. I
was like, okay, I'm going
941
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:15,200
to do my reports on this
day, by the way. Oh,
942
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,580
when you're going out for
this thing, so perfect. You
943
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:19,680
go and do that. Go
and see my family. And
944
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,300
I'll do my reports. I'll
say what happens. It
945
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:27,800
really cracks me up. Hayden
stays at home and we'll
946
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,080
say, like, we'll be talking
in the group chat and then
947
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,020
your girlfriend, Lauren,
will say, oh, I'm going to
948
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,400
Hayden's mum's. Right.
And I'll be like, oh,
949
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,060
that's nice of the three
of them. And
950
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:39,120
then, and then like half
an hour later, I'll jump
951
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,200
on my computer and you're
playing helldivers too. I
952
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,740
thought you'd go, take his
mum's. No,
953
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,520
no, no, no, no. Lauren
and River go and see
954
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,140
Hayden's family without
Hayden. Now
955
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:51,040
I was, I never do it to
play a game. I'll
956
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,440
do it to do. Oh
yeah. All
957
00:32:52,448 --> 00:32:53,460
right. Get
stuff done. All
958
00:32:53,468 --> 00:32:54,600
right. I'll
write my reports. Basically,
959
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,040
she went to a family
gathering of my family.
960
00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:59,980
What
sort of birthday was it? I
961
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:01,960
was like, well, you go to
that and that'll be a
962
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,540
perfect time for me to
write reports. In
963
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:05,180
my head, it was a win
because I was like, I
964
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:08,540
don't have to go to the
family gathering. That's
965
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:10,380
the end of it. Horribly
unsojourable. And
966
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:13,000
also, if Lauren goes to
that, who will enjoy it
967
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,680
more than me anyway, I can
also get my reports done,
968
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,420
not in a time where we're
actually going to be
969
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:19,060
together, like doing our
own thing. So
970
00:33:19,060 --> 00:33:20,820
that it was a win -win. I
got a question on that
971
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:22,580
because it's linked to the
holidays, but also linked
972
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:25,320
to having a kid. Right.
Do you feel like in either
973
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,380
of the situations, the fact
you have a child or the
974
00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:30,260
fact you're on school
holiday, do you feel like
975
00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:35,060
people kind of feel like
they owed you time? Well,
976
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:37,980
you're on holiday, so come
and see this. Come
977
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:39,780
and do this. Oh.
You've got time. Or
978
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:41,340
you've got the baby now.
I'm
979
00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:42,540
going to come over and see
the baby. And
980
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:46,600
it's like, am I no longer
in control of what I do
981
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,780
with my time? I've
not really experienced that,
982
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:49,200
but I am quite stubborn.
Yeah.
983
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:51,980
And I think I've built up
the people know that I
984
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:54,620
should be like, no. No,
you don't want to go away.
985
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,520
Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. No,
986
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,220
I've not personally
experienced that. I
987
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:59,260
think sometimes in the
holidays, it can be, well,
988
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,220
you're off. So
can you come and do this
989
00:34:01,220 --> 00:34:02,520
favor for us? Or
can you? You're
990
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,820
off. I
don't know. I
991
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:05,200
don't personally feel that
way. I
992
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,420
wondered if you did,
because I hear a lot of
993
00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:08,540
people say that kind of
thing, where, you know,
994
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,540
there's a perception, isn't
there, of teacher holidays
995
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:15,260
where, you know, lazy bunch
of buggers who you've been
996
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:16,000
on strike. Yeah,
I get taken the mick out
997
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,860
of all the time, my
family, but oh, on holiday
998
00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:19,380
again. Not
working again, are we?
999
00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:21,260
Classic
teachers doing nothing. And
1000
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:23,000
that's even worse when we
only work three days a
1001
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,400
week. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. It's
1002
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,159
not a good one, but
there's a massive perception
1003
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,480
out there. I
think if you find anything
1004
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,960
on Facebook, anything on
any forum, right, that
1005
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,139
says, oh, just talking
about teacher holidays, you
1006
00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:37,880
look at the comments, 90 %
of them will be people
1007
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,179
complaining that teachers
get way too much time off
1008
00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,139
and the job was way too
easy. They're
1009
00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:43,780
just getting all this time
off, like, why wouldn't you
1010
00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:44,719
want to be a teacher?
Well,
1011
00:34:44,739 --> 00:34:46,719
think of their perspective,
if they've got kids who go
1012
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,120
to school, they've got to
work, but now suddenly
1013
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,659
they're kids at home for
two weeks. And
1014
00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:53,239
their teachers off. That's
really annoying, isn't it?
1015
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,940
Really?
Like, let's just switch up
1016
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:56,320
for a minute. And
again, I know the vast
1017
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,100
majority of our listeners
are teachers and stuff, but
1018
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,000
let's just be realistic for
a minute. Let's
1019
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,420
just switch it up. Why
wouldn't they feel
1020
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:04,480
resentful? Why
wouldn't they? They're
1021
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,920
not fully informed about
what the job's like. Well,
1022
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,120
that's just going to say
that's why they shouldn't
1023
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,800
feel resentful, just to get
informed. Yeah,
1024
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:11,640
but even if they were
informed, there's going to
1025
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,060
be a lot of individuals
out there who are like,
1026
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:15,640
yeah, I do 60 -hour weeks.
Yeah,
1027
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,200
yeah, I work bloody hard.
I
1028
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,580
work 60 -hours a week. I've
got a 40 -hour contract and
1029
00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:21,640
I do 15 to 20 hours
overtime every week to make
1030
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,580
ends meet. And
now my kids offer two
1031
00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:25,340
weeks and I've got to find
childcare, which means all
1032
00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:26,280
the overtime is pointless.
So
1033
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,820
I've got to pay someone to
the car for my kids. Yeah,
1034
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,440
yeah, yeah. And
you're getting time off.
1035
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:30,540
And
you go on Facebook and the
1036
00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:32,140
teachers complain in whilst
having a glass of wine at
1037
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:34,420
home about, oh, I've got
to do some planning this
1038
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:36,400
week. Yeah,
so I don't know. Where
1039
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,080
do you stand on that? Do
you think, you know, are
1040
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:45,040
working parents justified in
their annoyance? No.
1041
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:46,820
Do you not? No,
I don't think so. I
1042
00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:47,760
don't think they're
justified in their
1043
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,000
annoyance. Why
not? At
1044
00:35:49,008 --> 00:35:50,760
teachers on a personal
level, which is what it
1045
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,060
is. Sure.
I think they can be
1046
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:54,720
justified in being
frustrated by the education
1047
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,600
system, which means they
have to look after their
1048
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,260
children for a couple of
weeks. I'm
1049
00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:01,760
not even saying that in a
sarcastic way. But
1050
00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:02,860
there's a lot of people
who say that as well.
1051
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,700
Don't
have kids if you can't
1052
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,340
look after them. So
that's not really the
1053
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:06,920
sticking reason. No,
and we've built a whole
1054
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,560
society around it. Like,
I can understand the
1055
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,100
frustration of we've got to
a level in society where
1056
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:16,000
both parents have to work
50 hours a week just to
1057
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,340
pay rent or a basic
mortgage on a low -cost
1058
00:36:19,340 --> 00:36:21,720
house. And
they can't and it's not
1059
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,760
even built in that they
can have the school
1060
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,760
holidays with their kids
without having to take some
1061
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,020
financial hit. I
get it. That's
1062
00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,400
really frustrating. That's
probably going to annoy us
1063
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,240
at some point. I
don't know. It
1064
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,540
depends what we do at that
time. If
1065
00:36:32,548 --> 00:36:34,940
we leave teaching and we
have our, we obviously have
1066
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:37,220
our children and they're
off school for two weeks.
1067
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,720
And
it's like, well, I can't
1068
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,340
not work and Lauren can't
not work. So
1069
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:44,360
either we've got to hope
and pray that we've got
1070
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,820
someone who can have them
for two weeks or take a
1071
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:49,260
holiday off where we only
get four weeks and you're
1072
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:51,580
predetermining this. And
by the way, I'm off when
1073
00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:53,940
everyone else is off and
stuff's more expensive. I
1074
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:55,580
can't have no control
anymore. But
1075
00:36:55,587 --> 00:36:57,940
it's annoying. But
going online and then, and
1076
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:00,440
then getting annoyed at
teachers on an individual
1077
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,680
level for their, for,
because they get a job
1078
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,560
where that holiday is
predetermined. We
1079
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,800
didn't choose to go on
holiday. We
1080
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,300
chose this job, I think
partly because the holidays
1081
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:10,340
are so good. And
they're normally not even
1082
00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:11,140
getting annoyed at that.
They're
1083
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:12,860
getting annoyed at the idea
that teachers are
1084
00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:14,920
complaining about their job
in any aspect because of
1085
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,140
this. That's
where I'm like, no, it's
1086
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,100
not justified. Because
I think that's just selfish
1087
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:20,720
thinking. It's
just classic. Oh,
1088
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,280
it's a race to the bottom.
My
1089
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,740
experience is bad. So
how dare you? I'm
1090
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:26,880
assuming your experience is
not as bad. So
1091
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,240
how dare you complain about
it? It's
1092
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,160
like, you just don't
understand the nuances of
1093
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,300
being a teacher. There's
the reason hundreds of
1094
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:33,980
thousands of teachers
complain about it and get
1095
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:36,580
upset about it and burn
out and quit. It's
1096
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:39,180
probably, probably because
it's true. And
1097
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:41,660
maybe it is actually tricky
and maybe those holidays
1098
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:46,360
don't justify the workload
that you as a non -teacher
1099
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,100
might think. Do
you know, I just, I don't
1100
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,120
know. So
I don't think it's ever
1101
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,820
justified. I
think the frustration is
1102
00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:53,560
understandable. But
I think the slagging off
1103
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,340
teachers because they're
complaining, they're trying
1104
00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:58,420
to make the job better.
That
1105
00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:01,020
is the ultimate comeback
for me is like, okay,
1106
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,960
whatever you think about
the job, right, whatever
1107
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,220
you think based on whatever
your experiences are, you
1108
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:10,280
can't say it's easy. You
can't say it's Christy
1109
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,360
simply because if it was,
you'd be doing it. Yeah,
1110
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,120
that's the best one. And
we wouldn't be leaving in
1111
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,240
droves. Like
it's not even an argument.
1112
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440
It's
not even up for debate
1113
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,540
that this is an easy job.
Constantly
1114
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:25,340
in the top three for the
most stressed professions in
1115
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:28,200
the whole country ever.
Constantly
1116
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,260
having a problem with
recruitment. So
1117
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:33,060
it's not even viable enough
to get people to come in.
1118
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:34,180
It's
that people don't want to
1119
00:38:34,180 --> 00:38:36,240
get into the job. And
also people already in the
1120
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,000
job, people who have
already moved up the
1121
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,240
ladder, by the way, and
have actually got to what
1122
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,080
we would describe as a
okay salary. And
1123
00:38:42,087 --> 00:38:44,520
experience the holidays. And
experienced the holidays and
1124
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,780
done the job. I
saying this is too much.
1125
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:48,000
Goodbye.
Yeah, still. There
1126
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,540
you go. It's
not an argument anymore.
1127
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:51,260
Yeah.
Basically every single ex
1128
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:53,940
-teacher that I know has
unanimously said that
1129
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:55,760
whatever their new job is,
is so much better for
1130
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,860
mental health and workload.
Yeah.
1131
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:59,620
And the same thing for we
always, we talk about Paul
1132
00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:02,620
sometimes in this podcast,
who had a career before he
1133
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:04,560
got into teaching. Paul
and I trained at the same
1134
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960
time. And
I just always remember in
1135
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,300
that year of training where
I kind of brushed it off
1136
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:10,740
and I was like, oh, okay.
Well,
1137
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,480
you know, that's what I
want to do. But
1138
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,880
he would constantly say,
you don't understand, this
1139
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,480
is not a normal job. He
did a normal job. He
1140
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,680
worked 40 hours a week. In
fact, he didn't because he
1141
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,000
used to have Friday
afternoons off, very
1142
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,640
classic. You
know, he would work all
1143
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,380
week and then Friday, he'd
clock off at like one or
1144
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:27,240
two. Go
home early, pick the kids
1145
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,800
up from school, take them
home, have a dinner
1146
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,400
together and stuff like
that. And
1147
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,620
he had earned more and he
would not take any work
1148
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,360
home. And
he just said it's
1149
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,360
completely different. It
is not comparable. So
1150
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,860
I agree. I
mean, I'm being a bit of
1151
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:42,940
devil's advocate here
talking about it, but I
1152
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:43,820
don't think it's justified.
I
1153
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:45,380
think you have to have a
bit of critical thinking
1154
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:47,420
every now and then and
think you cannot simply
1155
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:49,040
just point to these
holidays and say, well,
1156
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,280
it's easy. It's
like, you're allowed to be
1157
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,380
annoyed by the holidays and
what it impacts you. Yeah.
1158
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,300
Without being annoyed at us
as teachers. I
1159
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,320
don't think we don't even
need to go into detail
1160
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,220
about how teachers do work
in the holidays. I
1161
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:00,340
think that's so commonplace.
Everyone
1162
00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:02,620
knows that now. And
everyone, everyone spouts
1163
00:40:02,620 --> 00:40:04,020
that rhetoric all the time.
Oh,
1164
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:05,360
I'm working in the
holidays. Yes.
1165
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,900
Okay. We
all know that. So
1166
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,620
do you think everyone works
in the holidays? Do
1167
00:40:09,627 --> 00:40:11,600
you think it's just, yeah,
all teachers, because
1168
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,640
everyone says it like that.
All
1169
00:40:12,647 --> 00:40:14,340
teachers, we've always got
tons of work to do in
1170
00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:16,880
holidays. I've
got two main points to
1171
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440
make here about teachers in
the holidays. And
1172
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,460
again, I love talking to
the listeners like this
1173
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,660
every now and then because
I think about who our
1174
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:24,520
audience are. I
know our audience are
1175
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,160
predominantly teachers, but
I know we've got a big
1176
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,120
following of people who
aren't teachers. I
1177
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,760
love just opening this up
to people because this is
1178
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,820
what I think about
holidays. Essentially,
1179
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,760
if you break it down as a
teacher and the work you've
1180
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,080
got to do in a holiday,
okay, my first point is it
1181
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,300
is not remotely comparable
from teacher to teacher. So
1182
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,140
if you've got one teacher
coming up to you and
1183
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:48,220
saying, I've not got any
work to do this half -term,
1184
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:51,460
you cannot then take that
as gospel and say, well,
1185
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:53,420
teachers don't even do
bloody work in the
1186
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:54,860
holidays. This
might, I've got a friend
1187
00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:56,920
who's a teacher who
genuinely doesn't do any
1188
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,180
work in the holidays. So
therefore, they will, what
1189
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:02,000
a cushy job. No,
because we've talked about
1190
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,240
this a million times. It's
the lucky day. The
1191
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,360
conclusion a lot of people
say draw from that is that
1192
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,200
that one teacher that's not
got any work to do in the
1193
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,380
holiday is clearly doing
their job efficiently and
1194
00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:12,980
right. And
everyone else therefore
1195
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:15,400
isn't doing their job
efficiently and right. Yeah.
1196
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:17,320
And that's just not true.
And
1197
00:41:17,328 --> 00:41:20,880
again, the layers to this,
because there'll be people
1198
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,060
in the same school, right,
who do a varying different
1199
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:28,260
amounts of work, right? But
it, and that is down to
1200
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:29,860
the individual teacher a
lot of the time. Okay.
1201
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:32,300
Cause the expectation might
be exactly the same, but
1202
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,600
there'll be one teacher who
simply feels like they have
1203
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,000
to for whatever reason, or
simply wants to do some
1204
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,200
work in the holiday. But
there'll be another teacher
1205
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,640
who thinks, right, I know
I've not got to do it.
1206
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,180
Yeah.
Cause I know I can do it
1207
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:44,820
in my PPA in the first
week back, or I've already
1208
00:41:44,820 --> 00:41:46,500
done it in my PPA because
I wanted to clear this
1209
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,620
schedule. Teaching
is very autonomous for a
1210
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:51,620
lot of teachers as to when
they want to do their
1211
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:55,040
work. However,
what does not help, and
1212
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,800
I'm going to move on to
this point very quickly
1213
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,620
because we've established
it's down to what school
1214
00:41:58,620 --> 00:41:59,900
you're in. It's
down to what's expected of
1215
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:00,980
you. It's
down to what kind of
1216
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:04,920
teacher you are. I
also don't think we should
1217
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,980
ever, as people who aren't
teachers or people who are
1218
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:12,540
teachers, take someone's
word for gospel and, and
1219
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:14,080
compare. I
don't think we should
1220
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,120
compare. I
don't think that the amount
1221
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,940
of work someone does in
their holidays should ever
1222
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:20,700
be a barometer for the
amount of work everyone
1223
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:23,020
should do. Whether
that's someone not doing
1224
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:24,720
any work. So
no one should do any work
1225
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,300
ever in the holidays.
Nothing
1226
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,200
annoys me more than when
someone who's not even in
1227
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,540
the classroom turns around
and says, oh, don't do any
1228
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:35,060
work in the holidays. What
do you mean? Because
1229
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:37,580
I've got to teach on
Monday when I go back. So
1230
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:40,640
how can that happen unless
I've got some work to do?
1231
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,500
Or
similarly, there might well
1232
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,140
be an SLT in a school
that I work for that have
1233
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:48,160
expectations of me to do
something. And
1234
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,640
I know my life will be
hell if I don't get it
1235
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,200
done. And
I'm in this toxic work
1236
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,700
environment. And
you saying to me, oh,
1237
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,800
don't do any work, it's
going to make me more
1238
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,780
stressed. That
doesn't help me. So
1239
00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:59,600
I think it's really
unhelpful sometimes when
1240
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,140
people try and be genuinely
nice. It
1241
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:04,260
doesn't actually help
because, you know what, as
1242
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:06,580
a teacher, I know what
work I've got to do. And
1243
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:09,100
it might be a bit. And
it might be nothing. Or
1244
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:11,020
it might be a lot. I
know how much I want to
1245
00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:12,300
do. I
might want to go above and
1246
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,300
beyond and make this
amazing display. Or
1247
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,400
I might want to invent
this new way of doing
1248
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,760
times tables because I got
inspired by watching this
1249
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,040
reel on Instagram. And
I thought, wow, that'd be
1250
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,680
brilliant. And
I wanted to spend my time
1251
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,520
doing it all power to
them. Well,
1252
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,240
if we go back eight years,
right, if we could just go
1253
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,860
and look at ourselves eight
years ago and look at
1254
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:34,500
these holidays, we would
see us to working almost
1255
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,020
every day and loving it.
Yeah,
1256
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:39,740
exactly. That's
the important thing. And
1257
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:42,320
you know, and that that's
not the case now. It's
1258
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,680
different. You
know, our lives have
1259
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,700
changed massively since we
started teaching and our
1260
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:48,220
interests have changed
massively. But
1261
00:43:48,227 --> 00:43:50,640
eight years ago, I would
have, I didn't, I didn't
1262
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,500
want anyone to come to me
eight years ago and say,
1263
00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:54,700
don't do that. And
like belittle me for
1264
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:57,300
choosing to go above and
beyond in my job. I
1265
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,940
was really enjoying it. And
I was in that honeymoon
1266
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:01,420
period of teaching where I
did live and breathe it.
1267
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,060
My
life was, I was a teacher.
1268
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:04,200
That
was my whole personality at
1269
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,000
that point. And
I loved it. And,
1270
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:08,680
and that's okay. I
don't think we should stomp
1271
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,860
on people who do that.
It's
1272
00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:12,520
like Dylan was saying, the
problem with with culture
1273
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,400
in in education that's so
toxic is we use that as a
1274
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,760
bar setter all the time in
teaching. And
1275
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,240
it's so annoying. Like
some more experienced
1276
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,080
teachers listening will know
this because you've seen it
1277
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,000
happening. We
saw it happen against us
1278
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,680
when we were young. Like
we'd have teachers wouldn't
1279
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,240
be in the staff room. You
especially you because
1280
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,520
you've always hadons of
workhorse. You've
1281
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,600
listened to this podcast,
you know, and, and he was
1282
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,780
when he was younger, my
goodness, he'd spent every
1283
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:37,600
hour under the sun working.
But
1284
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,600
you would have this really
cool thing that you'd make
1285
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,240
for everyone. Right.
But, but you would see the
1286
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,560
older generation in staff
meetings, genuinely rolling
1287
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,200
their eyes and huffing. Oh
my God, why? Okay.
1288
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:49,120
It's great. Because
you know what happens and
1289
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,760
everyone's seen this. I've
seen this in every school
1290
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,440
I've worked at, by the
way, this is just a
1291
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,100
generic thing. And
it's human nature. Someone
1292
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,460
does something above and
beyond. And,
1293
00:44:57,540 --> 00:45:00,160
and it'll be mentioned by
someone else even in a
1294
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,000
meeting saying, well,
actually, you know, let's
1295
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,400
say you're Lauren, you're
Lauren, whenever they do,
1296
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,460
you know, we're trying to
keep track of reading.
1297
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:08,380
Yeah.
You're Lauren, she writes
1298
00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:10,700
every single word count up
on the board. So
1299
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:12,680
they can see and she'll
change it and update it
1300
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,640
every day. And
it's not really cool.
1301
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,660
That's
awesome. And
1302
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:16,900
it is genuinely really
good. And
1303
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:18,920
it's like, yeah, you know,
that is gonna, that does
1304
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,680
like give them a little
carrot and they can see
1305
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,700
how many words they've
read. And
1306
00:45:21,707 --> 00:45:24,000
that's awesome. And
then someone like, yeah,
1307
00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:24,960
why don't we all do it?
And
1308
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,840
it's like, oh, what do you
mean? It's
1309
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,520
nice. Yeah,
because it is another 10
1310
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,060
minutes on my day every
day. And
1311
00:45:32,067 --> 00:45:33,440
do you know what, if
Lauren wants to do that,
1312
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,300
because that's part of her
culture in her classroom,
1313
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:36,980
and she wants to encourage
reading in that way. And
1314
00:45:36,988 --> 00:45:39,400
she, and that is bloody
brilliant. Yeah.
1315
00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:42,520
Is that is that hinge
there where we turn and we
1316
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,820
go, why don't we all do
that? Yeah.
1317
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,380
Oh, the baselines are the
bars higher. Yeah.
1318
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:47,920
And that is a perfect
analogy. You've
1319
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,920
got to imagine that
happening 10 fold all the
1320
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,260
time in education. It's
completely unregulated. Every
1321
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:54,280
school is different. Like
it's got it's got so mad
1322
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,580
now that, you know, it is
a gamble where you work.
1323
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:58,960
You
can't even work it out
1324
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,960
now. Like
what your work is going to
1325
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,760
be like, unless you
literally go and speak to
1326
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,600
the people that work there.
And
1327
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,980
they're honest with you.
There's
1328
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:06,080
a gamble you can go work
somewhere where that bar is
1329
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,920
already just up here.
Because,
1330
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,640
you know, they got a few
people that work really
1331
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040
hard, great. But
SLT like cool, that's the
1332
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,580
expectation now. And
then you've got other
1333
00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:15,800
places where SLT are way
more understanding. They're
1334
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,860
like, no, no, no, here's
the baseline. Thank
1335
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:19,420
you for going above and
beyond this individual
1336
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:21,380
person. This
is still the baseline for
1337
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:22,780
everyone else though. So
you know, you need to at
1338
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:24,620
least do this great idea
over here. If
1339
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:26,780
you fancy doing something,
it might have a good
1340
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:29,080
impact. Still
the baseline though, you
1341
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,820
know, and it comes twofold
though, like you do get
1342
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:34,720
from the top down, that's
the worst, that's the worst
1343
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,320
version of it, where the
top down, there'll be
1344
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,420
someone in charge who'll
see something and go, we're
1345
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:40,660
all doing that from
tomorrow. That's
1346
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:43,000
fantastic. It
might be fantastic, but
1347
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960
it's just unreasonable to
have that no kind of we
1348
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,260
talked about the workload
balance kind of task force
1349
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:50,780
that would go completely
against that because it
1350
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:52,700
wouldn't be balanced against
time. We
1351
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:54,660
wouldn't if you're going to
introduce something new like
1352
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:56,100
that, I think you have to
look at something that
1353
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:57,280
isn't working and drop it.
And
1354
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,920
then teachers don't mind
doing new stuff. I
1355
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,680
love doing new stuff. And
I think it's a real
1356
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,460
misconception even amongst
other teachers. And
1357
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:06,200
I've had it personally
before where I've said,
1358
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:10,820
guys, we cannot do this
change unless we're going
1359
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:13,620
to drop something else. And
I've said before, we have
1360
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:16,680
to, I've said to the whole
staff team that I worked
1361
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,180
with before, we have to
realize that me as a year
1362
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:23,540
four teacher in our current
setup of how we do sets
1363
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:27,060
and classes. And
you, Hayden, in a year
1364
00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:28,980
six, and the way you do
your sets and classes and
1365
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:32,480
expectations, what we need
to do is not pretend that
1366
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,060
this is equal. Let's
not pretend. Let's
1367
00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:37,080
not do this thing that all
educators do where we just
1368
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,240
kind of nod and go, oh,
well, I'm in year six this
1369
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,160
year. And
I've got sets where I've
1370
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,460
got to do all my own
planning. But
1371
00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:45,340
in year four, we share
work, load for English, and
1372
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:47,700
we don't have the satch
preparation. Let's
1373
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,420
not pretend that's the
same. Let's
1374
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:52,800
not pretend that over the
holidays, it might be in
1375
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,320
some schools that the
expectation is that year
1376
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,220
six teachers do satch
boosters. The
1377
00:47:57,220 --> 00:47:59,780
expectation is that you've
got to plan the workload
1378
00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:01,700
for planning maths and
English is usually bigger
1379
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:03,460
than the workload for
planning anything else. It's
1380
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:04,900
so intricate and there's so
much. So
1381
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:06,900
when year six are doing
more maths and English than
1382
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,060
anyone else in the school,
they're also planning more
1383
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:10,360
than anyone else in the
school. They're
1384
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,540
also assessing more than
anyone else in the school.
1385
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Let's
not pretend then that in
1386
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,820
the holidays, we have an
equal hit. So
1387
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:20,900
we have to be outwardly
saying this is happening.
1388
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,300
Let's
tackle it. Let's
1389
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:23,440
not accept it. I
can give you some real,
1390
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,960
real context for this,
right? Which
1391
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,260
is depressing, really. I
was messaging my head of
1392
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:29,420
year. So
I'm in year six, as you
1393
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:31,480
just said, that wasn't, and
that was real. That
1394
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,300
was real. Yeah.
And I was messaging my
1395
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:34,860
head of year, who's also a
really good friend of mine.
1396
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:36,880
And
we were talking about
1397
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,580
reports because she'd
noticed that I'd, she was
1398
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:39,940
like, you've done your
reports already because
1399
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:42,140
you've seen them on the
system. Yeah.
1400
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,420
And I was like, yeah, I've
been working on that. I
1401
00:48:43,428 --> 00:48:44,600
hadn't finished at that
point. So
1402
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,680
yeah, I'm going to get
them finished this holiday.
1403
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,460
And
then I was just saying to
1404
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:48,620
her, I was like, yeah, you
should really consider it.
1405
00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:50,020
Like
it'd be like, I've used
1406
00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:52,420
this tool and it's been
great with this new system.
1407
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,620
We've
got our school. You
1408
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,300
should think about getting
yours done as well. Like
1409
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,520
it rather than next half
term. And
1410
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,820
her response genuinely was,
I won't have time. And
1411
00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:04,460
it not because she's doing
things, but because her
1412
00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:07,180
whole Easter holiday is
already filled up with, oh,
1413
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:08,420
not because she's in
personal things. No,
1414
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,240
no, no, no, it's already
filled up with other work
1415
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:11,960
to try and get ahead on.
Planning,
1416
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,620
and, and sat's basically is
encompasses all of that a
1417
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,380
little bit of marking catch
up as well. And
1418
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:20,360
I just thought, oh man,
imagine how many of you
1419
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,160
are. There's
only one reason, by the
1420
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,840
way, that she is doing
marking catch up when you
1421
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,040
aren't. It's
because when you were doing
1422
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,220
marking before, she was
doing something else. Yeah,
1423
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,360
yeah, yeah. Because
again, that comparison about
1424
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,320
between the year groups,
even in the year group,
1425
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,400
the comparison between my
workload and my head of
1426
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,740
years workload is
incomparable. It's
1427
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:39,660
she's doing stupidly more
work than I am for, you
1428
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:42,680
know, pennies more because
the pay is terrible in
1429
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,240
teaching in terms of like
extra responsibilities.
1430
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,280
They're
like, oh, here's a thousand
1431
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,600
pounds for the whole year.
It's
1432
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,260
laughable. There's
like 50 hours extra a
1433
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:51,940
month and I'm getting it's,
it's, it's about 50 quid a
1434
00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:53,440
month after tax. Yeah,
yeah, stupid. And
1435
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,680
it is, is laughable. And
you look at, you see how
1436
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,780
much stuff costs a minute.
I
1437
00:49:56,780 --> 00:50:00,320
think overall the point
there is you cannot compare
1438
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,860
teacher to teacher. You
cannot compare school to
1439
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:04,500
school. You
cannot compare within a
1440
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:06,780
school. And
I think we are as a, as
1441
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:09,580
a, as a profession, we
sleepwalk into these
1442
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:11,220
problems and ignore them.
And
1443
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:13,420
I think as soon as we as
a profession understand
1444
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:17,080
that, you know, we actually
can have control because I
1445
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,920
was really shocked. No,
I don't know. It's,
1446
00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:20,380
I'd be interested in what
people think about this
1447
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:22,100
because I was really
interested, I guess, and
1448
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:23,880
shocked. Let's
say shocked because I was
1449
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,580
when the response to me
saying that. So
1450
00:50:27,580 --> 00:50:29,920
I, I said, this is not an
anecdote. This
1451
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,040
is really what happened.
And
1452
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,080
we were talking about well
-being. Our
1453
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,480
school is fantastic in my
opinion, especially recently,
1454
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,920
we've gone through it off
-stead. We
1455
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,440
all know it was a really
tough time for teachers. A
1456
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,720
lot of planning, a lot of
workload. And
1457
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,080
there's been a real push
now post off -stead,
1458
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,960
especially to be like,
right, we really want to
1459
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,940
get it right because we
know our workload went up.
1460
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:51,880
And
everyone in the school
1461
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,380
understands that SLT to the
bottom. We
1462
00:50:54,388 --> 00:50:56,240
all know that. So
everyone now is on the
1463
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:57,820
same page trying to fix
that. And
1464
00:50:57,820 --> 00:50:59,640
we were, but one of our
staff meetings was simply
1465
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,160
about well -being. And
it wasn't one of those. We
1466
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,900
did some yoga and got head
massage. It
1467
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,520
was actually, let's sit
down. There's
1468
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,720
no SLT involved. Open
forum. Open
1469
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,720
forum. Let's
talk about it. And,
1470
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:11,480
you know, my eyes lit up
because that's the, these
1471
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,960
are the moments that we
don't always get as
1472
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,980
teachers. And
I've worked in schools
1473
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:15,400
where this would never
happen. And
1474
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,400
we were very grateful. And
what that was exactly my
1475
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,160
point was, I was just
saying to people, you know,
1476
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,340
we want to change, let's
say we want to change
1477
00:51:24,340 --> 00:51:27,220
English completely now. And
they'll be head of English
1478
00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:30,180
who are doing a fantastic
job at doing research,
1479
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:33,900
going to training, getting
evidence informed. Cool.
1480
00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:37,700
Fantastic. What
we can't do though, and I
1481
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,360
was saying to everyone, we
can't just say to people,
1482
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:44,020
willy -nilly, the English
leads now have just decided
1483
00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:45,640
we're going to change
everything. Because
1484
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,000
the problem of that is,
okay, cool. Well,
1485
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,740
I'm the math's lead. We're
the math's leads together.
1486
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:51,380
We
could have been
1487
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:53,620
simultaneously planning to
complete the overhaul times
1488
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:56,860
tables in the school. And
we would have the trust in
1489
00:51:56,860 --> 00:51:58,560
the school to just do
that. And
1490
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,200
it's a really good level
of trust that we've got.
1491
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:00,760
And
we could do that whenever
1492
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,420
we want it. But
also, by the way, the
1493
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:05,600
afternoon curriculum that
we've just spent ages
1494
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,840
planning has made some
tweaks, which means every
1495
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,920
single lesson is tweaking
now. All
1496
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,620
of these things happening
at the same time is
1497
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:15,560
unbelievably tough for
workload. And
1498
00:52:15,567 --> 00:52:18,020
that is where we need to
step back, look at the
1499
00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:19,380
workload reduction thing.
And
1500
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:21,900
we need to, as a whole
school, look at what
1501
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:24,300
everyone wants to do, plan
it out in a way that's
1502
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:26,460
systematic and spread out
and doesn't overload
1503
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:29,280
workload. All
of that everyone kind of
1504
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,740
agreed with, I think. But
what really shocked me, and
1505
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:33,540
I want your opinion on
this, was there was a bit
1506
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:35,860
of pushback when I
mentioned that there's a
1507
00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:37,700
difference between year
groups. There
1508
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,260
was a bit of a pushback
where, like, I just said,
1509
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,200
but it is like hours and
hours of work. And
1510
00:52:43,207 --> 00:52:46,240
let's not forget, guys,
this is work. And
1511
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,200
we all have a fantastic
attitude to wanting to help
1512
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,360
children as much as
possible. But
1513
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,340
until we kind of break
down that barrier of, this
1514
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,300
is a job, though, right?
And
1515
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:58,460
I'm getting paid as a
eight, nine year experience
1516
00:52:58,460 --> 00:53:00,540
teacher, the same as you.
I
1517
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:02,120
know we're slightly
different, we're a year or
1518
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,560
more experienced, but let's
just say we're the same,
1519
00:53:03,820 --> 00:53:05,720
right? We're
just at the same level. We
1520
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,540
both take home however much
money every month. But
1521
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:13,200
we then just pretend that
it's okay that someone else
1522
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,760
does 10 hours more work a
week. That's
1523
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,860
not okay. And
someone else said, but, you
1524
00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:21,400
know, we can't start
tallying up hours and
1525
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,180
comparing it. And
I was like, yeah, we can.
1526
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:25,980
We
can, though, can't we? We
1527
00:53:25,988 --> 00:53:28,120
just, we just don't have
this culture of, oh, well,
1528
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,720
you've been put in year
six, you've got to work
1529
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,780
hard this year. Oh,
you and year three, I
1530
00:53:31,780 --> 00:53:35,840
think having not taught
year six properly, from my
1531
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,640
point of view, year three
is the hardest year I've
1532
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,400
ever taught in a junior
school when they come up
1533
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,960
for an infant school. It's
so hard. It's
1534
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,020
so mentally draining. And
they were like, well, it's
1535
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:45,220
more mentally taxing doing
other jobs rather than the
1536
00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:47,140
amount of time you put
into something. Okay,
1537
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:48,620
cool. Maybe
we are getting into the
1538
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:51,140
realm where it's hard to
compare them. But
1539
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:55,700
we absolutely can just say
that I have two hours of
1540
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:57,580
planning a week and you
have six hours of planning
1541
00:53:57,580 --> 00:53:59,760
a week. That's
not okay. And
1542
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,200
that's not my choice or
your choice. Yeah,
1543
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:03,800
that's not okay. Yeah.
No, not really. In
1544
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,040
a real job. Think
about it. I
1545
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,260
always do the test going
out, G, which is, you
1546
00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:08,280
know, you've got two
employees in the same
1547
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,720
thing. Oh,
you've got to stay for
1548
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,100
hours. You've
got to do six aisles. I've
1549
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:12,580
got to do two. Yeah.
Yeah. And
1550
00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:13,960
that's not even that.
That's
1551
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,760
more like, okay, if you
want to use really quick
1552
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,940
loading, still go home at
the same time, maybe, but
1553
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:19,880
it's more like, no, no,
you're working till 10,
1554
00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:21,160
you're working till six.
Oh,
1555
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,100
am I getting paid more?
No.
1556
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,780
Because by the way,
everyone in this analogy
1557
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:27,000
actually works from half
eight till half four. And
1558
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,840
then it's just pot luck
how much work you have to
1559
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,600
do after that. Yeah,
it's pot luck. It's
1560
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,020
unbelievable. And
it goes to all of those.
1561
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,920
We've
gone off tangent a bit.
1562
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,220
But
yeah, we talked, go and
1563
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:37,260
check out our workload
episode actually, because
1564
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:39,460
that was, again, one of
our best ones, I think,
1565
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,560
where we just really got
into the nitty gritty of
1566
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,400
the problems with workload
as a teacher. It's
1567
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,700
a really good, a good
listen. How
1568
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:47,340
many times very quickly,
going to do this point
1569
00:54:47,340 --> 00:54:48,380
really quick, because I
know we have gone off on
1570
00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:50,540
tangent, but I've enjoyed
this chat, one very quick
1571
00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:52,220
point. How
many times do you think
1572
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:55,160
you've seen a child in the
school holidays out when
1573
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,460
you've been doing something?
And
1574
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:58,260
they have been absolutely
shocked that you exist in
1575
00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:01,140
a form of Mr. Stevens,
at least like in my old
1576
00:55:01,140 --> 00:55:03,500
career, like 50 times.
They're
1577
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,700
always, always shocked. Most
of the time, they don't
1578
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,760
want to speak to it. So
funny, isn't it? Considering
1579
00:55:07,768 --> 00:55:09,540
I can have such a nice
relationship with them at
1580
00:55:09,540 --> 00:55:10,720
school. It's
one of two. But
1581
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,080
I see you on holidays. But
I get it though, because
1582
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,040
you're different, isn't it?
Because
1583
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,640
when you're with your
teacher, when you're with
1584
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,360
your parents, you are just
a different kid. Well,
1585
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,680
you know that from
parenting. So
1586
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,820
it does just break their
world a bit when they're
1587
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:22,920
with their parents behaving
one way. And
1588
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,260
suddenly they see their
teacher who they probably
1589
00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:25,940
behaved differently for.
It's
1590
00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:28,100
like, oh, most of the
time, yeah, yeah, probably.
1591
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:29,880
And
I'm like, oh, I don't want
1592
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,360
to see them because I'm
now I'm going to show my
1593
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,040
parents how I behaved to
this person. It's
1594
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,660
one of two. Either
you get back up the dark
1595
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:37,360
time and they're like, I
saw you in Tesco and
1596
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,640
you're like, where were
you? Yeah,
1597
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,940
yeah, or you you're walking
down the street and you're
1598
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:43,500
Mr. Price.
Yeah, yeah. You
1599
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,240
don't know where they are,
but they've seen you a
1600
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,140
mile away. They're
shouting like, oh, come on,
1601
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,600
see you, Mr. Price.
Yeah, Mr. Price.
1602
00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:52,060
Never in the middle. Do
you like it? Not
1603
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:53,020
now. Do
you not? I
1604
00:55:53,028 --> 00:55:55,700
see. So
not now when when it's
1605
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,440
like shouting across the
room. Yeah.
1606
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:59,140
When it's like, if it's in
Tesco and they're shouting,
1607
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,560
I'm like, oh, just come
and see me. When
1608
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,600
I just see them, I love
it. I
1609
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,360
love it more than that.
That's
1610
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,700
what I meant. Yeah.
Yeah. No,
1611
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,300
I still I thought you
meant the actual acting
1612
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:09,660
like shouting across the
especially ex pupils. I
1613
00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:11,220
love seeing my old pupils.
It's
1614
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:12,620
like, I've seen a lot of
teachers don't like it.
1615
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,320
Actually,
they find it. They're
1616
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,220
like, oh, no, it's cringe.
I
1617
00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:17,440
don't want to. I
love seeing pupils I've
1618
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,860
taught in the past. It's
one of my favorite things.
1619
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:19,820
That's
just a quick thing I want
1620
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:21,700
to talk about. So,
Hayden, you know, people
1621
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:24,100
have listened to this. How
to manage Saturdays, do
1622
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:25,060
that, everything. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
1623
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,700
How do you actually manage
to switch off then? Like
1624
00:56:27,707 --> 00:56:29,500
ignore the fact we've got
young babies and stuff
1625
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:31,060
right now. Just
think about in the
1626
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:33,280
holidays, there'll be people
out there going, okay,
1627
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,800
that's cool, but I can't
switch off because we've
1628
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,240
just talked about it. I've
got 17, you know, lessons
1629
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,780
to plan. I've
got a deep dive coming up.
1630
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,240
Like
I know this is happening
1631
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,260
at some point. I
cannot switch off. How
1632
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:46,060
on earth can I do it? How
can I switch off? So
1633
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:47,540
we're speaking to those
people now, aren't we? Not
1634
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:48,980
the ones, because you know
what, if you don't want to
1635
00:56:48,980 --> 00:56:50,280
switch off and we made
this clear, I'll make it
1636
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,020
really, really clear. If
you don't want to and you
1637
00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:54,420
enjoy doing that work, good
for you. Carry
1638
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:55,680
on. Do
what you enjoy. But
1639
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,740
this is someone who has to
do work and really would
1640
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:58,520
rather just have a hold of
it. Now
1641
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,800
we're speaking to us and
the other teachers that are
1642
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,700
in that position. It's
a tricky one, isn't it?
1643
00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:03,560
Because
there's not a magic,
1644
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,580
there's not a magic
solution to this. But
1645
00:57:06,580 --> 00:57:08,880
you've got to stand your
ground a bit. There
1646
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,440
is a line and I think you
just need to know your
1647
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,140
embrace a little bit as
well as a human being who
1648
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:18,600
is working for your trading
your time for money. It's
1649
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,920
a job. It's
a job. It
1650
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,440
is a job. It's
a job. No
1651
00:57:21,448 --> 00:57:22,860
matter what you can call
it. Okay.
1652
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,420
I don't care what we call
it. It
1653
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:27,460
is still a job. You
are trading time for money,
1654
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,440
your services for money.
There's
1655
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,160
got to be a point where
you've got to stand up for
1656
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,240
yourself a little bit and
put your foot down and be
1657
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,360
like, nope, I worked this
amount of time during the
1658
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,180
term time, which was
overtime every single week
1659
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:42,280
anyway. I've
worked as efficiently as I
1660
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,260
can. That's
the first thing. If
1661
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:44,740
you're not very efficient
and you know you're not,
1662
00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:46,660
try and work on that
first. We
1663
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:48,440
talked about that before.
Not
1664
00:57:48,448 --> 00:57:52,360
every teacher is going to
be perfectly efficient at
1665
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,460
that job. So
if you think you're not
1666
00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:55,080
very efficient, okay, work
on that first. You
1667
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,060
might be able to get more
done at your time at work.
1668
00:57:58,460 --> 00:57:59,860
If
you're there already and
1669
00:57:59,860 --> 00:58:01,240
you're in the holidays now
and thinking, I've got tons
1670
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,580
to do, first of all,
prioritize it. What
1671
00:58:03,580 --> 00:58:05,800
needs to get done? What's
the most important thing
1672
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,680
for doing your daily job?
For
1673
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,000
example, for me, if I
didn't plan lessons for
1674
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,820
Monday, then I wouldn't be
able to teach. I've
1675
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:14,540
just got to do that. I
have to. There's
1676
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:16,820
no way around it. I've
got to plan the lessons.
1677
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:18,040
No
amount of someone saying to
1678
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,420
you, just don't. It's
going to happen. Yeah,
1679
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:20,800
you have to. And
you have to as well.
1680
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:22,960
That's
just tough. You've
1681
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,860
got to do it. But
I can almost guarantee you
1682
00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:28,260
there are other jobs that
you could probably just
1683
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:32,340
leave to your first PPA or
even just not do it, be a
1684
00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:35,820
bit of a rebel. Because
if you think, is it going
1685
00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:37,680
to affect my teaching and
learning? No,
1686
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,320
it's going to affect the
kids. No.
1687
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:41,160
Have I already done 10
hours over time this week?
1688
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,200
Yeah.
Okay. No.
1689
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,420
Can they fire me over
this? No,
1690
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:47,400
they can't because they're
basically, because if they,
1691
00:58:47,740 --> 00:58:50,640
if your ISE, you remotely
say to you, why hasn't
1692
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,460
this thing been done? Yeah.
And the only, and the only
1693
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:55,380
expectation was that you've
got that done in the two
1694
00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:56,900
weeks that you just had
off, right? Yeah.
1695
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,960
Then you just say to them,
oh, when was the director
1696
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,360
time that I was meant to
do that? Completely.
1697
00:59:00,460 --> 00:59:01,740
Then they'll never have a
comeback. I
1698
00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:04,460
don't care how, how savvy
and how like, bolshe your
1699
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:06,360
SLTR, they will not do
anything. Well,
1700
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,720
here's an example, right?
I've
1701
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,040
had someone message us,
we're going to do a Q &A
1702
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,100
at the end because we got
some Q &A, ask for a Q &A
1703
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,280
section. And
one bit of a spoiler,
1704
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,000
we'll talk about it more,
I guess later on and we'll
1705
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,600
give her some advice, but
we can kind of do it now
1706
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,640
as well. About
to have deep dive. Okay.
1707
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,740
And feeling really stressed.
So
1708
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:24,480
the context I'm going to
take from now is, okay,
1709
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,380
you've got SLT. It's
the last week of Turn 4,
1710
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,340
just before the East
holiday. And
1711
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:32,160
they say, oh, first week
back on Monday, we're going
1712
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,960
to have a meeting with a
school advisor. She's
1713
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,220
going to come in. And
we want to go through our
1714
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:39,700
action plan for this, for
this, for this subject.
1715
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:40,960
Okay.
So that's booked in on the
1716
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,880
Monday. It's
Friday now. So
1717
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,580
can you just get that done
for me? Yeah.
1718
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,700
Yeah. My
advice is right. Firstly,
1719
00:59:47,460 --> 00:59:49,160
you need to have the
confidence, I think you
1720
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,940
need to build the
confidence in yourself to
1721
00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:52,460
say to them on the spot.
It
1722
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:54,200
has to be straight away.
Okay.
1723
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,540
When would you like me to
do that? Because
1724
00:59:56,540 --> 00:59:59,500
if their response is the
East holidays, then okay,
1725
00:59:59,580 --> 01:00:00,620
cool. You
can disregard them as a
1726
01:00:00,620 --> 01:00:02,060
nice human being now
because what the hell are
1727
01:00:02,060 --> 01:00:03,260
they talking about? No,
but they're really lovely
1728
01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:04,460
because this is the point
she was saying as well.
1729
01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:05,780
Her
ST are lovely. Okay.
1730
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,080
Then the chances are that
either you're wrong and
1731
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,880
they're not lovely because
actually if they say, do
1732
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,220
it in your holidays,
they're not as lovely as
1733
01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:14,040
you think they are. Or
two, if they are actually
1734
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,780
lovely, immediately recognize
this. But
1735
01:00:15,788 --> 01:00:17,360
it's the only time she can
come in. It's
1736
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,200
the only time she can come
in. So
1737
01:00:18,207 --> 01:00:19,380
we need to get it done.
Or
1738
01:00:19,388 --> 01:00:21,680
is it? Okay.
Well, I've got plans that
1739
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,220
this is the holiday. Yeah.
It's as immovable as your
1740
01:00:24,220 --> 01:00:25,640
holiday. Yeah.
And you've got to consider
1741
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:26,940
it as that. And
just say to them, okay,
1742
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,400
can I have some time out?
I
1743
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,740
think teachers sometimes
need to be a bit
1744
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:32,060
proactive. We
treat our SLT like they're
1745
01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:34,180
our parents and they have
to organize everything for
1746
01:00:34,180 --> 01:00:36,420
us and baby us. We
are adults in today. We
1747
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:39,860
can also just say and just
assume maybe the SLT who's
1748
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:41,120
got a million other things
to think about. Sure.
1749
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:42,680
It just has overlooked this
for a second. Not
1750
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,220
malicious. Yeah.
They're not malicious. And
1751
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:45,560
you just say to them,
okay, cool. That's
1752
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,320
going to take me probably
like three or four hours.
1753
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:48,880
Can
I have some time out on
1754
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,180
the, I can see on the
Monday on Tuesday, the
1755
01:00:50,180 --> 01:00:51,760
diary is a bit more free.
You
1756
01:00:51,768 --> 01:00:53,220
know, you've, oh, you've
done a bit of work for
1757
01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:54,620
them. Okay,
that's fine. You've,
1758
01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:56,140
you've, you up managed a
little bit. That's
1759
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:58,040
not, you can do that. It's
not a problem. Because
1760
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,780
they've, they've got 57
,000. Yeah.
1761
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:00,720
Yeah. And
that's fine. And
1762
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,820
if they say yes, and
problem solved, it didn't
1763
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:04,100
need to become a massive
problem. If
1764
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,200
they say no, don't do it.
Don't
1765
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,720
do it in the holiday. It
is as simple as that
1766
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,700
because they've got no leg
to stand on. So
1767
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:11,600
when, when, when the
meeting comes in this, in
1768
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,080
this situation, if that
meeting comes along and you
1769
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,880
go to it still, because
the person's booked in and
1770
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,340
you don't have that plan,
do you know what you're
1771
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:19,180
doing instead? You
use that meeting to come
1772
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:20,420
up with a plan with the
person. Like
1773
01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:23,620
you don't, you, it becomes
your time to do that job,
1774
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,380
which you've been told to
do over the holidays. No,
1775
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,960
no, no, you've got the
person there. Okay.
1776
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:27,920
You don't have to talk
through. I
1777
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,640
guarantee that person will
be like, okay, well, let's
1778
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,440
have a think. That
person doesn't, that
1779
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,780
person's there to advise
it. Like
1780
01:01:32,780 --> 01:01:35,400
they don't care. Like
just, and they'd understand
1781
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,580
if you just said the
sentence, oh, only found
1782
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:39,860
out at this start of the
Easter holidays. So
1783
01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:41,540
obviously I haven't had
time to sort it out yet,
1784
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:42,760
but maybe we can look
together. It
1785
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,240
doesn't need to be the
awkward thing because what
1786
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,420
you'll do, what I do is I
build up this, I build up
1787
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:48,680
the worst scenario in my
head made up of this crazy
1788
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,100
awkward conversation where
I'm the really unconfident
1789
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,260
week one and they're all
so confident that they'll,
1790
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:56,060
you know, like patronize me
in my face. Most
1791
01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:58,100
people aren't that
confident, even on this,
1792
01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:59,540
but even if they're
thinking, oh, for God's
1793
01:01:59,540 --> 01:02:00,720
sake, why haven't they done
the work? They
1794
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,760
won't even say it to your
face in that moment. They
1795
01:02:02,768 --> 01:02:03,960
just won't. And
do you know what, if they
1796
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,140
do, they're not worth the
time of day. They're
1797
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:07,160
genuinely not, you're right.
If
1798
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,060
they actually have a
problem that you haven't
1799
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:10,980
spent six hours in your
holidays doing this, this
1800
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:13,620
work for them, they are
the problem. And
1801
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:15,780
remember that. Don't
think you're the problem
1802
01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:17,800
because you want to have a
bit of a backbone and some
1803
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,060
time off. I
honest to God, 99 % of
1804
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:22,860
teachers I've met do more
than enough work already.
1805
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,700
So
if someone actually has a
1806
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:26,720
problem or something not
getting done, that is that
1807
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,740
arbitrary that can just
wait, then that is not
1808
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:32,020
your problem. Don't
let the broken system and
1809
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:34,720
the broken funding education
and the broken everything
1810
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,740
that we don't have enough
time to do our job affect
1811
01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:39,940
your mental health. I
really do think that works
1812
01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:41,320
your needs. And
like we said, everyone's
1813
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,220
different. You
might want to, you might
1814
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:44,280
just want to do it. Okay,
do it then. If
1815
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,620
it's really not going to
affect your holidays that
1816
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,240
much and you're thinking,
oh, I don't mind doing it,
1817
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:49,040
do it then. Okay,
if it's not affecting you,
1818
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,680
then do it. But
the problem then is, do
1819
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,320
not expect the history lead
and the geography lead and
1820
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,920
the R lead to have done
the same thing over the
1821
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,300
last, it's not reasonable.
And
1822
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:58,520
if you want to do it in
your own time, okay, it
1823
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,140
doesn't mean everyone else
has to. And
1824
01:03:00,140 --> 01:03:02,200
if then you've done it in
your own time, but your
1825
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,340
time you're wasting it. But
if you've done yours in
1826
01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:07,920
your own time, and then
week two, you see in the
1827
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,800
on the diary, they're
booked out for art to do
1828
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,840
the same thing you did for
history. You
1829
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,940
can't then be resentful
because they went and asked
1830
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:20,560
for time and got it. You
have to be proactive. And
1831
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,980
like you said, yeah, it
might be frustrating that
1832
01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:25,360
SLT have said, yeah, sure
to that person and didn't
1833
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:26,740
do it to you. But
you know what, it's
1834
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:28,520
probably because the art
lead went and did it. I've
1835
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,800
had it a million times.
Like
1836
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,480
again, I'm not trying to
throw people under the bus
1837
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,660
I've worked with because I
really like my colleagues
1838
01:03:33,660 --> 01:03:35,920
and people. But
I have had people to my
1839
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,160
face tell me before that
something happened or I got
1840
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,720
something done as math lead
or, you know, we introduced
1841
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,080
something or I was allowed
to do something, right?
1842
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,440
Anything
that I've been allowed to
1843
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,940
do. And
they said to me, oh, just
1844
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:49,400
because you're a bloke. And
I've been like, no, no,
1845
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,160
it's because I went and
asked for it. Yeah.
1846
01:03:52,459 --> 01:03:54,360
Did you go and ask for
it? No,
1847
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,320
no, because they would just
tell me no, no, no, no.
1848
01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:57,140
Oh,
no, because I went and
1849
01:03:57,140 --> 01:03:58,700
asked for it. And
they said, yes. Have
1850
01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:00,960
you asked them for it? And
they said, no, no, well,
1851
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,100
then it's nothing to do
with me being a man. It's
1852
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:04,200
not a comparison anymore.
Okay.
1853
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:07,400
Or you can only you're
only confident enough to do
1854
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,700
it because you're a man
and you'll know you'll get
1855
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:10,320
it. Maybe
we're getting into a
1856
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,760
conversation that's worth
happening at that point.
1857
01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:12,620
But
do you know what, until
1858
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:14,320
you've actually gone and
done the same thing I did,
1859
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,540
don't say it's because I'm
a man. That's
1860
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:18,060
really annoying. The
bias doesn't come into play
1861
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:19,480
until we've done the same
thing. And
1862
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,900
you've got no and I said,
yes. Yeah.
1863
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,900
And there is a, and we're
not going to pretend
1864
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:24,780
there's not a bias. Of
course. There
1865
01:04:24,788 --> 01:04:26,820
was an advantage of being
a man. 100%. It's
1866
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:28,740
built in cultural bias. It
just frustrates me when
1867
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:30,980
that gets, that's the go
to when something's
1868
01:04:30,980 --> 01:04:32,800
different. It's
like, well, is there a
1869
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,060
more obvious reason why I
got time out? And
1870
01:04:35,060 --> 01:04:37,200
it's because I put a
request in for it. Yeah,
1871
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:40,120
that's much more likely. Or
did the SLT go, well, he's
1872
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,760
a man, he needs time out.
His
1873
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,500
time's available. Probably
not. Because
1874
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:45,000
you know what, the SLT is
a woman. So
1875
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,380
I don't know. I
just think it just
1876
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:52,640
frustrates me. If,
take away all of the
1877
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,300
gender stuff now, that was
just a side point. But
1878
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:57,520
if you as a teacher aren't
actually doing the minimum,
1879
01:04:57,820 --> 01:05:00,000
which is, are you efficient
with your time? As
1880
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
you could possibly be. They
spend an hour chatting
1881
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,680
after school because I used
to do that and then get
1882
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,680
annoyed. I
didn't know my stuff. Have
1883
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,860
you asked for help? Have
you said no? They
1884
01:05:08,860 --> 01:05:11,000
have to come first. The
world's not going to bend
1885
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,340
to you in this profession.
No,
1886
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:14,080
no. And
I know I mentioned earlier,
1887
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,720
but managing up is a
thing. And
1888
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,700
I feel like teachers just
don't really do it. In
1889
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:19,400
loads of other professions,
you get people managing up
1890
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,360
all the time. And
it's not a bad thing. You
1891
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,860
don't have to, you don't
have to then be resentful.
1892
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,020
Oh,
I had to go and ask for
1893
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:28,460
this time. It
would be nice if it was
1894
01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:30,280
just built in for me. It's
like, yeah, it would have
1895
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,440
been nice. It
would have been nice. But
1896
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:33,920
they are just a human
being doing a job at the
1897
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,740
end of the day. And
if you managed up and they
1898
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:37,180
still gave you that time,
do you know what? It
1899
01:05:37,180 --> 01:05:40,100
shows that their intentions
probably weren't that bad.
1900
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,120
Because
if they really didn't want
1901
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,380
to give you that time,
they would have said no to
1902
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:43,460
you when you managed up as
well. I
1903
01:05:43,468 --> 01:05:46,720
wonder how much of teacher
resentment and annoyance is
1904
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,460
through misunderstanding and
miscommunication rather than
1905
01:05:50,460 --> 01:05:52,420
actually, I think most of
it, yeah, I think that we
1906
01:05:52,420 --> 01:05:54,140
can't pretend that we've
got enough money for stuff
1907
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:55,620
or enough time to do
stuff. But
1908
01:05:55,620 --> 01:05:57,480
I think there's a lot that
we could solve by just
1909
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,320
being more open and less
timid, I suppose. Yeah.
1910
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,140
I think there are a lot
of SLT, but I think it's
1911
01:06:03,140 --> 01:06:06,080
the minority still who are
just genuinely not very
1912
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,860
nice people. Yeah,
very very minority. And
1913
01:06:07,868 --> 01:06:09,780
they would say no, and
they would have not planned
1914
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:11,120
it. And
they will just expect
1915
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,940
stuff. We've
been there where people
1916
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:16,600
like we've worked with
people who just absolutely
1917
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,600
abuse their power and will
just work people to the
1918
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,640
bone, not caring about
their well being. Because
1919
01:06:22,647 --> 01:06:24,640
the outcome is simply they
got stuff done. Yeah.
1920
01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:27,960
And I've had stuff before
of I've had stories of
1921
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,120
these kinds of people in
SLT almost bragging about
1922
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,240
how much work they got out
of the stuff. Yeah.
1923
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,400
And it's like, you're a
horrible person. Yeah.
1924
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:39,180
Like if you genuinely are
just like, that's your end
1925
01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:41,220
goal, it's just how much
work can I eek out of
1926
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:45,180
these people without any
kind of sentience of
1927
01:06:45,180 --> 01:06:46,840
looking at your staff and
thinking, well, they're all
1928
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,920
burnt out and the half of
them have left. It
1929
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,920
must be them. That's
the problem. Yeah.
1930
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,940
No, probably not. I'll
finish with one analogy,
1931
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,180
because I love this thing.
And
1932
01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:56,720
I think about it all the
time and it really impacted
1933
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:57,560
me. And
I think I've said it on
1934
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,420
the podcast before, but I'm
going to say again, which
1935
01:06:59,420 --> 01:07:01,260
was when early on in my
career, when I was getting
1936
01:07:01,260 --> 01:07:02,760
a bit burned out, and I
was and I was genuinely
1937
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,560
struggling to get the
workload done even when the
1938
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,640
weekends and holidays,
right? Because
1939
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,480
I was just setting this
stupid bar for myself. Was
1940
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,900
this when you like had to
plan everything from scratch
1941
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:12,060
or is this just because of
your mentality of just
1942
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:14,200
mentality mainly, but also
it was it was at that
1943
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,620
kind of school where where
we were just expected to
1944
01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:19,280
do a stupid amount of
work, unholy amounts of
1945
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,400
change all the time. And,
and you know, being quite
1946
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,220
fresh to teaching, I was
like, I must do all of
1947
01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:26,420
this to the best possible
level, which was completely
1948
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:27,600
unmanageable. It
was taking up all my
1949
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,520
holidays and stuff. And
I was speaking to our
1950
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,180
deputy head at the time,
who was someone I very
1951
01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:34,360
much admired then, I still
do now, I just don't speak
1952
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,700
to him. But
you know, at that time, I
1953
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:37,920
was thinking, I he's a
really, really, really nice
1954
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,900
person, genuinely nice. And
I just said to him, I was
1955
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:42,480
being honest, and I was
just venting saying about
1956
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,840
how I'm struggling with all
this workload and stuff.
1957
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:45,760
And
I've got to get this done.
1958
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:47,500
And
the head teachers now asked
1959
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:49,100
me to do this. And
my year group leaders asked
1960
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:52,020
me to do this. And
he was just like, and this
1961
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:53,480
was weird coming from the
deputy, he was like, Oh,
1962
01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:56,420
just don't do it. And
I was a bit sort of taken
1963
01:07:56,420 --> 01:07:58,260
aback thinking, surely he's
someone that's going to be
1964
01:07:58,260 --> 01:07:59,740
telling me to do it. Like
he's the deputy head. He
1965
01:07:59,740 --> 01:08:01,260
was like, Oh, yeah, no,
no, no, no, no, just don't
1966
01:08:01,260 --> 01:08:03,560
just don't do that, that
or that one. And
1967
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,940
I was like, but they've
got you've sent an email
1968
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:07,340
out saying they've got to
be done. They've
1969
01:08:07,340 --> 01:08:09,680
got to be done. Yeah.
And he was like, no, no,
1970
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,080
no, no, no, no, no, they
haven't got to be done. He
1971
01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:12,380
says, just don't don't do
them. I
1972
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:13,860
was like, what? He
was like, if they need to
1973
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:16,720
be done, they'll email you
again. I
1974
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,220
don't know. And
and and he's but but he
1975
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:20,840
was there is that's not
very useful. No,
1976
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:22,240
I know. But
he was he was joking
1977
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,859
around. But
he was the serious point
1978
01:08:23,859 --> 01:08:26,640
behind it was stop taking
everything on this personal
1979
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,359
level of like, you are you
have to get the you have
1980
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:30,640
to get this thing done
because someone else has
1981
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:31,620
now told you to do it.
And
1982
01:08:31,627 --> 01:08:33,899
I know you've already got
a massive list of jobs to
1983
01:08:33,899 --> 01:08:35,420
do to do your daily job.
All
1984
01:08:35,420 --> 01:08:37,340
of these things come in
your if they're coming in
1985
01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:40,359
your own time, then they
can't actually dictate you
1986
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:41,779
to do those in your own
time. So
1987
01:08:41,779 --> 01:08:43,439
do you know what? If
it's your own if it's your
1988
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,000
weekend and you've done
your entire job and you
1989
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,520
still this list of things
to do that people are
1990
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,700
saying for you to do,
don't do it. And
1991
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:50,460
if it's that important,
they'll email you again
1992
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:52,160
next week. And
if it's really important,
1993
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,359
they'll say, we really need
this done, we've booked you
1994
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,279
some time out to do it
now, because we really
1995
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:57,380
needed it done. And
we can see that you're so
1996
01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:59,380
busy. I
think the problem I get it
1997
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:00,800
completely because again,
it's just it's basically
1998
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,479
about being proactive about
your time. But
1999
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,720
the thing that frustrates a
lot of people is, you
2000
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,479
know, you need to do that
to protect your wellbeing.
2001
01:09:06,859 --> 01:09:08,920
Like
there is a certain I think
2002
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,000
there's a certain argument
there to say to protect my
2003
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,859
wellbeing. I
shouldn't have to be that
2004
01:09:13,859 --> 01:09:16,399
proactive to ignore
instructions from my
2005
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,640
superiors at work. And
then for my superior at
2006
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,279
work to turn around and
say, Oh, I know I've said
2007
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,160
do it, but don't that to
me is gasoline. Like
2008
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,180
that is the definition of
being a bit of a
2009
01:09:25,180 --> 01:09:28,300
gaslighter because you're
not implicit. If
2010
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:30,560
you actually think that in
the email, what should be
2011
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,260
said is this needs to get
done. Let
2012
01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:33,580
me know if you have time.
I
2013
01:09:33,580 --> 01:09:35,260
know you don't. So
actually, let's book it.
2014
01:09:35,460 --> 01:09:37,220
Let's
skip all this play where I
2015
01:09:37,220 --> 01:09:39,020
kind of hope you push
yourself to your wellbeing
2016
01:09:39,020 --> 01:09:41,340
limit and do it for me.
Because
2017
01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:43,439
that is all that's
happening by me not saying
2018
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,779
that in the first place.
If
2019
01:09:44,779 --> 01:09:46,740
I already know, oh, you
don't actually have to do
2020
01:09:46,740 --> 01:09:48,840
this, I'm playing a game
right now to get as much
2021
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,420
work of you as possible.
Knowing
2022
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:52,700
that 20 % of the people
will just ruin their
2023
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:54,260
weekend to do it for me.
I
2024
01:09:54,260 --> 01:09:56,700
know that they don't have
to because I'm telling you
2025
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:58,980
that that's actually really
annoyed me. And
2026
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:00,400
I think that's terrible.
And
2027
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,760
I think what you are doing
there is basically playing
2028
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,620
the game. And
I see this all the time
2029
01:10:05,620 --> 01:10:08,480
and it boils my blood when
really, really, really good
2030
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:11,420
people, excellent teachers
who really care are the
2031
01:10:11,420 --> 01:10:13,380
ones who do the most work
ever because they don't
2032
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:14,660
want to let anyone down.
And
2033
01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:16,580
the people who are
exploiting that are the
2034
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:18,860
people who simply think
don't think about it and
2035
01:10:18,860 --> 01:10:21,320
like, oh, well, I'm just I
am a lovely, dovey person.
2036
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:22,180
I'm
very nice. I
2037
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:23,480
would say not to do it.
Yeah,
2038
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,920
but you didn't. And
every week you know this
2039
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,460
happens. You
know that they like work
2040
01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:30,780
themselves to the bone. You
know they've done six hours
2041
01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:33,980
of art leadership planning
over the weekend. And
2042
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:35,780
you're just grateful they
did it. And
2043
01:10:35,780 --> 01:10:38,020
you know for well that the
mass leaders won't do it
2044
01:10:38,020 --> 01:10:39,560
and we'll just give them
time. There
2045
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,880
comes a point as a leader
where you know that's
2046
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,620
happening. And
if you're not proactive
2047
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:45,820
about it, you're actually
enabling it. There's
2048
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:47,220
got to be systems in
place. Yeah,
2049
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,340
I think for people to be
treated. But
2050
01:10:49,348 --> 01:10:51,500
the system isn't you've
gone to mode to deputy and
2051
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:52,780
they've said, I actually
don't do it because you
2052
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:54,400
come to my no, I think
you I think you've blown
2053
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,000
out of proportion in terms
of what really happened. I
2054
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,620
think you've made a
separate point. I've
2055
01:10:57,620 --> 01:10:59,420
made a separate I'm not
actually I'm actually not
2056
01:10:59,420 --> 01:11:01,320
talking about I think just
going back to what his
2057
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,860
advice there was that what
he was actually saying to
2058
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:07,480
me was stop putting
everyone else's job at the
2059
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:09,300
top of your priority list.
Learn
2060
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:11,680
to prioritize and learn to
say no, I haven't got time
2061
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,660
to do it. I
think I've seen the other
2062
01:11:13,660 --> 01:11:15,460
thing happen to a lot of
people and I've just got
2063
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:18,340
frustrated. But
you know, yeah, have a
2064
01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:20,200
backbone yourself and say
no. But
2065
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,380
there does come a point
where actually, like we
2066
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:24,920
were saying beforehand,
there are people who brag
2067
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,620
about how much work they're
reeking out of people. And
2068
01:11:26,620 --> 01:11:28,300
it's like, when it's said
a detriment of their well
2069
01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:29,740
being, it's nothing to brag
about. Yeah,
2070
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,600
you are in control of
that. Great.
2071
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:34,540
Anyway, well, that was a
good chat. Long
2072
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:35,620
episode. I
like that. We've
2073
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:36,920
got a quick Q &A. We're
still going to do it. Oh,
2074
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:37,940
yeah, go ahead. I'll
wish for it. So
2075
01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:39,420
play the jingle. We'll
wish for the Q &A. Guys,
2076
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:40,900
please follow us on
Spotify. Share
2077
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:43,000
this podcast. Please,
please share it. Please.
2078
01:11:46,460 --> 01:11:49,000
Share it. Let
us know what you think and
2079
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,440
messages and show your
friends. And
2080
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:51,440
let's grow this podcast.
Thank
2081
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:52,800
you so much. We've
got a jingle. We're
2082
01:11:52,808 --> 01:11:54,000
going to do a Q &A. Stick
around. It's
2083
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,820
great. Right.
Quick one to finish off
2084
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:00,660
Hayden on our Instagram,
which you can follow us at
2085
01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:01,780
Teach Sleep with you
podcast. Please
2086
01:12:01,780 --> 01:12:03,460
do have a 3000 followers
now. I
2087
01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:05,280
love talking to you guys
on there genuinely and
2088
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,180
Hayden is no longer
involved. I
2089
01:12:08,180 --> 01:12:11,760
did a little Q &A. So
my question, I did a few
2090
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,060
polls and stuff about what
you're getting on in the
2091
01:12:13,060 --> 01:12:16,160
holidays. And
my Q &A was simply quick Q
2092
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,000
&A. Send
us a question. Doesn't
2093
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,040
have to be related to
teaching. It
2094
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,900
can be whatever. And
we got a whole bunch. I'm
2095
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:23,280
going to read out a few
now as quickly as possible.
2096
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:24,040
Okay.
Cool. So
2097
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,340
I'm not going to name drop
them because I never said
2098
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:26,440
I would. You
might want to be anonymous
2099
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:28,120
to some people. So
if you hear your question,
2100
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:29,760
message us and tell us how
you heard the question.
2101
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:31,300
First
question. Three
2102
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:33,900
hours. Three
hours. First
2103
01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:35,560
question. This
is going to be quick guys
2104
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,240
because we are, it's a
long episode already. Tell
2105
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,460
them how quick it is going
to be one time. Quick.
2106
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,580
Go on. It's
going to be quick this
2107
01:12:39,580 --> 01:12:41,440
one. Okay.
When will the government
2108
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:42,840
increase funding? We're
stretched to the limit
2109
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,300
right now. Never.
I'll never do it. I'll
2110
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,180
never do it. Do
you think that election
2111
01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:48,180
will actually change things?
No.
2112
01:12:48,340 --> 01:12:49,720
Because I don't either. No,
100%. I
2113
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,640
haven't actually ever done
it in the last 20 years.
2114
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:52,340
Nobody
has. It
2115
01:12:52,340 --> 01:12:53,800
has. New
Labour put so much money
2116
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:54,900
into education. No,
they've last like 20 years.
2117
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,000
Yeah.
Because it's the same Tory
2118
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,960
government. That's
what I mean. Okay.
2119
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,460
So my point is, if we get
a brand new party and a
2120
01:13:00,460 --> 01:13:01,540
new government, do you
actually think it will
2121
01:13:01,540 --> 01:13:03,680
change? On
the fence. On
2122
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,340
the fence. I
think with this current
2123
01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:06,960
party, I'm not actually no.
I'm
2124
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,540
not convinced of the fact
that Labour are not
2125
01:13:08,540 --> 01:13:10,100
remotely fit for this.
They're
2126
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:12,260
playing it way too safe,
in my opinion. Next
2127
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:13,940
one. What
would your death row meal
2128
01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:16,580
be? Three
courses and drinks? Chicken
2129
01:13:16,580 --> 01:13:21,360
roast dinner. Starter?
Starter. Starter
2130
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,440
will be chicken roast. This
is like I'm a slave, isn't
2131
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,600
it? Sometimes
it's a starter and I'm a
2132
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,260
slave, but I have like a
burger. Just
2133
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:28,800
playing the game. Yeah.
Okay. My
2134
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,140
starter is chicken roast
dinner. Okay.
2135
01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:33,600
My main is a nice Nando's.
Oh,
2136
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,120
really? Yeah.
Anything in the world that
2137
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,300
you've got for Nando's?
Yeah,
2138
01:13:36,380 --> 01:13:38,580
I just love Nando's. What's
your order from then on?
2139
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:39,760
I'd
get my four chicken fries.
2140
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,160
Yeah.
Medium. Yeah.
2141
01:13:41,660 --> 01:13:43,740
Medium. Yeah.
The whole sauce goes
2142
01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:46,120
through me. I'd
get anything that's for
2143
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,220
you. Garlic
bread. You
2144
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:48,820
know what I like to do?
You
2145
01:13:48,820 --> 01:13:49,960
are so basic. You
know what I like to do,
2146
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,740
you know what I like to
do? I
2147
01:13:52,748 --> 01:13:54,980
like to put two of the
chicken fries in the garlic
2148
01:13:54,980 --> 01:13:57,460
bread. I
make a halloumi sandwich.
2149
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:58,880
Yeah.
Yeah. Same
2150
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,760
sort of thing. And
peri peri chips. I'd
2151
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,900
have that as my main. And
then for my dessert, I'd
2152
01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:05,520
probably have an Indian.
I'd
2153
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,480
have a full curry. No
sugar, baby. Oh,
2154
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:10,120
yeah. Drink?
Drink. I
2155
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,860
don't care about drinks.
Yeah.
2156
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,600
I don't know. Fanta.
There you go. Done.
2157
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,180
Okay. Cool.
You? You
2158
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:20,100
doing that? I
would have for starter.
2159
01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:21,480
Move
on. I
2160
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,900
actually don't know. For
starter, I would have
2161
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:26,180
probably, what's my favorite
starter? Do
2162
01:14:26,180 --> 01:14:27,140
you know what? I'm
a bit boring. I
2163
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:30,240
do like a good soup when
you're out. Good
2164
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,540
soup. That's
the meme, isn't it? No,
2165
01:14:33,660 --> 01:14:36,620
my starter would be some
banging chicken fillets.
2166
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:37,700
Good
soup. Some
2167
01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:40,760
banging chicken fillets that
are like Southern fried
2168
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,580
Texas in some sweet chili,
like old mayonnaise dip.
2169
01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:45,560
Yeah.
Nice. So
2170
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,580
KFC. Yeah.
My main was a quarter
2171
01:14:48,580 --> 01:14:51,900
pound burger. No.
My main would be a fat
2172
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:53,620
roast. I
love a roast in that. But
2173
01:14:53,620 --> 01:14:54,820
I wouldn't, not just
chicken. I
2174
01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:56,260
would want like all the
meats. Bit
2175
01:14:56,260 --> 01:14:58,100
of chicken, bit of gammon,
bit of lamb. Oh
2176
01:14:58,108 --> 01:14:59,980
my God. Yeah.
You could do good gammon.
2177
01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:01,680
Or,
you know, caramelized
2178
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,440
onions, caramelized parsnips.
Oh
2179
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,280
my God. Mash,
creamy mash. Oh
2180
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,020
baby. Roast
potatoes. Broccoli.
2181
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,400
Oh my God. Sweet.
I love mashed sweet with
2182
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,340
pepper. I'm
actually salivating. I'm
2183
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:14,340
sorry. And
for dessert, I would have
2184
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:16,680
a massive chocolate fudge
cake. Imagining
2185
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:17,460
that. I
don't have any sugar in
2186
01:15:17,460 --> 01:15:19,060
it. I
love chocolate. Moving
2187
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:20,460
on. Next
question. What's
2188
01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:23,580
your favorite Easter egg?
Something
2189
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:25,580
Cadbury's. Anything
Cadbury's? Anything
2190
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:29,260
Cadbury's. Probably
all fruit and nut. Okay.
2191
01:15:29,420 --> 01:15:31,160
Do you miss the fact that
they don't come with mugs
2192
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,340
anymore? No.
No, that was, I was like,
2193
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,600
what, I'll waste the money.
We're
2194
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,480
teachers. We
do not need any more
2195
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,800
Cadbury. Yeah.
I mean, I didn't have an
2196
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,100
Easter egg this year
because of obvious reasons.
2197
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,800
So
my favorite Easter egg is
2198
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,160
clean sugar. I
said, I said to this
2199
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,440
person, I replied to it,
oh, I'm actually, I'm doing
2200
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:52,720
nose sugar at the minute.
And
2201
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,320
I meant to say no sugar.
Nose
2202
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,860
sugar. Wow.
This next one, I'm going
2203
01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:01,940
to name drop because he is
your friend who we met and
2204
01:16:01,940 --> 01:16:04,720
went to Nando's with. He's
doing some writing at the
2205
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,280
minute. He
asked, this is really
2206
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,820
interesting because he's
doing a book on this. So
2207
01:16:08,827 --> 01:16:10,120
he's actually going to, he
said he's going to listen
2208
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,180
and hear what he said.
What
2209
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:14,800
would you almost use a
useful superpower to have
2210
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,680
as a teacher? I
know. I've
2211
01:16:16,688 --> 01:16:18,360
always a great, he's told
me about this, but I'm
2212
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:19,400
really looking for Mr.
woman,
2213
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,280
by the way, writing kids
books at the moment, friend
2214
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,760
of ours, ex teacher, yeah,
really cool books. And
2215
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:24,700
I'm looking forward to this
one. So
2216
01:16:24,708 --> 01:16:26,700
he said his was hypnosis.
Hypnosis.
2217
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:27,580
Yeah. That's
cool. Which
2218
01:16:27,580 --> 01:16:29,400
kid of kids do you want?
Do
2219
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,780
your work. Can
you imagine like the
2220
01:16:30,780 --> 01:16:32,780
teacher look, but it was
hypnosis. Just
2221
01:16:32,780 --> 01:16:34,340
give them the look and
they're just like, yeah, I
2222
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:36,540
don't, what, give me more
time here. What
2223
01:16:36,540 --> 01:16:37,740
would you, did you have an
idea? I
2224
01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:40,420
think, I don't know. I
think personally, as a
2225
01:16:40,420 --> 01:16:43,980
superpower, I think for me,
it would be something where
2226
01:16:43,980 --> 01:16:47,240
I could just basically
engage the kids. This
2227
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,260
sounds ridiculous. I
don't necessarily think it
2228
01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:51,560
would be something that can
help me with my job. I
2229
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,860
suppose slowing down time
would help a little bit.
2230
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:55,940
If
it was showing off, I'd be
2231
01:16:55,940 --> 01:17:00,720
like super strength or
flying. Here
2232
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,100
we go. I
think that's what I want.
2233
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:02,960
I'm
trying. That's
2234
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:03,980
the first thing that came
to my head and I thought,
2235
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:05,360
come on, you can't say
that. I
2236
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,400
want to be able to go
water pistol hands. What
2237
01:17:08,407 --> 01:17:09,580
water all over the book.
Yeah.
2238
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,680
How funny would that be?
Brilliant.
2239
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,680
Well, sorry, mate. If
you were, if Mr. woman,
2240
01:17:13,780 --> 01:17:14,960
if you were thinking of
getting some ideas for your
2241
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,320
book, there you go. Okay,
listen. We
2242
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,760
got the, we got the death
row question quite a lot
2243
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,720
actually, so I'm going to
skip over that one. As
2244
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,060
in what would your meal
be? Not
2245
01:17:25,060 --> 01:17:27,320
do you want to go in
death row? No,
2246
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,880
this one I thought was
such a good question. What
2247
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,260
do you wish you were
taught in your teacher
2248
01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:33,360
training that they did not
cover? Not
2249
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,720
to be a teacher. Because
to get out, get out of
2250
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,340
this game. Here's
your first class on what
2251
01:17:40,340 --> 01:17:42,600
you could be doing instead.
What
2252
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,040
I wish I was taught as a
teacher. I
2253
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,360
thought that was great
because we've talked about
2254
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,640
how much we're taught that
is so useless. I've
2255
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,240
still got paper mache
tortoise that I made in my
2256
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,400
DT lesson. So
I didn't have a minute to
2257
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,140
learn how to do DT. I
don't know. I
2258
01:17:54,148 --> 01:17:56,200
honestly don't know. Like
I feel like I learned
2259
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,740
nothing about teaching in
my teacher training. For
2260
01:17:58,740 --> 01:18:00,920
me, I would do it behavior
maybe like my behavior
2261
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,520
management was terrible when
I started. Behavior
2262
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,000
management. I
did not learn enough about
2263
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,680
like really taking that
seriously. I
2264
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,680
would like to have learned
what to do exactly if a
2265
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,300
bee flies into the
classroom. No
2266
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:11,580
one prepared for me that
first moment. What
2267
01:18:11,580 --> 01:18:14,880
are the dog steps on it?
There
2268
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,420
are about three people. Is
there a dog steps on a
2269
01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:22,920
bee? My
dad knows Tai Chi. This
2270
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:24,000
is linked to what I said
earlier. How
2271
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:29,700
do you actually get out of
being a deep dive subject
2272
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:31,320
lead? Because
they're due off -stead and
2273
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,180
they just can't cover the
pressure. I
2274
01:18:33,188 --> 01:18:35,740
was like, wow, I mean, I
wish I could tell you my
2275
01:18:35,740 --> 01:18:38,920
honest advice would be go
to your SRT and say
2276
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,160
exactly that. I
am crumbling under the
2277
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,100
pressure and I'm going to
quit teaching if I have
2278
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,300
the camera and doing this
job. It's
2279
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:46,980
killing me. And
see what they do. Linked
2280
01:18:46,980 --> 01:18:48,780
to the next question then.
So
2281
01:18:48,780 --> 01:18:51,580
I have a primary teaching
degree. Well,
2282
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,380
what are the career paths?
So
2283
01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:58,920
this person's thinking of
going down doing the
2284
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:00,740
master's route, which I
know you did. And
2285
01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:02,980
I replied basically saying,
you should do that only if
2286
01:19:02,980 --> 01:19:04,580
you want to put off for a
year, because it doesn't
2287
01:19:04,580 --> 01:19:05,620
actually help that much.
Like
2288
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:07,400
you said, you enjoyed the
process. Yeah,
2289
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:09,420
it was good love. It
didn't actually help your
2290
01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:12,020
practice too much or going
into the army or something.
2291
01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:13,840
What
would you do if you got a
2292
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,300
teaching degree? Do
you know what? I'm
2293
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:17,580
going to answer this myself
first. Give
2294
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:19,860
you a minute. I
would honestly ignore the
2295
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:21,500
fact you've got a teaching
degree. Don't
2296
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:23,440
let that sunken cost
fallacy come into play
2297
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:24,980
where you're like, well,
I've got a teaching degree.
2298
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:25,820
So
I've got to use that
2299
01:19:25,820 --> 01:19:28,060
somehow. Okay.
If you actually don't want
2300
01:19:28,060 --> 01:19:30,100
to do teaching, the worst
thing you can do is try
2301
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:31,780
and shoehorn teaching into
something. Yeah,
2302
01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:33,720
yeah. Just
pretend you didn't do that
2303
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,140
degree, even though you've
got the debt and stuff.
2304
01:19:35,140 --> 01:19:36,260
It's
annoying. Just
2305
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:37,900
go and do an apprenticeship
somewhere. Do
2306
01:19:37,907 --> 01:19:41,280
whatever you want. Now
being more experienced in
2307
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,080
life. If
you were this old or
2308
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,440
you've got a career. Yeah,
because right now, if I'm
2309
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,140
answering these questions,
right now, what I'd go and
2310
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:49,040
do genuinely find something
I'm interested in, which
2311
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,220
for me is like computer -y
stuff. I'd
2312
01:19:51,220 --> 01:19:52,100
go and learn to do coding.
I
2313
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:53,260
know you've been interested.
I'd
2314
01:19:53,260 --> 01:19:54,700
go and learn to do coding
or something to do software
2315
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:57,020
engineering, software
development, because I just
2316
01:19:57,020 --> 01:19:58,180
find that sort of stuff
interesting. There's
2317
01:19:58,188 --> 01:19:59,560
so much stuff online. I
think I'd enjoy it. So
2318
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,880
much stuff online. And
it's high pay if you get
2319
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,040
good at it as well. And
you can go into that late.
2320
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,100
You
really can. You
2321
01:20:05,108 --> 01:20:06,180
can just learn because
there's not many people
2322
01:20:06,180 --> 01:20:07,460
learning. I've
been learning how to do a
2323
01:20:07,460 --> 01:20:11,220
bit of Python. It's
really hard. Yeah,
2324
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,080
it's really hard. The
snake. Yeah.
2325
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:14,880
Jeff's cake. Is
it a cake or a biscuit?
2326
01:20:16,420 --> 01:20:17,580
Cake.
Yeah, it's in the name,
2327
01:20:17,660 --> 01:20:18,960
isn't it? It's
very cakey. It
2328
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,920
is cakey, but it's in the
biscuit arm. It
2329
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,320
is called cake and it's
full of cake. I
2330
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:27,300
think it's a cake, I
reckon. Is
2331
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:28,820
there any crunchy biscuit
to it? Oh,
2332
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,280
is it? No.
Is a rich tea biscuit a
2333
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:35,040
biscuit? Oh,
is a crunchy biscuit. I
2334
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,640
reckon the cake is a cake.
I'm
2335
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,880
sorry, everyone asked that
question. I
2336
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,820
think it's a cake though
as well. And
2337
01:20:43,820 --> 01:20:46,300
it is in the name. Last
one. I'll
2338
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:48,540
just finish this one.
What's
2339
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:52,260
your go -to snack at school
pre and post sugar? Well,
2340
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,440
it's the same thing. Pre
sugar. No,
2341
01:20:55,140 --> 01:20:58,340
pre sugar. A
yum yum. Yum
2342
01:20:58,340 --> 01:21:00,320
yum. When
someone brings in yum yum,
2343
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,540
I'm like, yes, I'll eat
two of the four. Yeah,
2344
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:03,840
yeah. And
there's four people in the
2345
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,280
team. The
last three I have to share
2346
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:07,980
too, somehow. And
post? I
2347
01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:10,200
don't know, because I'm so
addicted to chocolate that
2348
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,840
nothing is nice. Yeah,
I used to have, I used to
2349
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,660
get a pack of four rice
buns from the co -op and
2350
01:21:15,660 --> 01:21:18,240
I'd eat two before I got
back to school. I'd
2351
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,380
eat one on my walk to my
classroom and I'd sit down
2352
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:21,320
and be like, oh, and I
spun. And
2353
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:22,780
when you're eating the last
one, you'd say, oh, I only
2354
01:21:22,780 --> 01:21:24,800
got one, mate. Sorry.
It's a meal and I asked
2355
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,960
for one. And
there's the pack of empty
2356
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,560
room for four. Sorry,
buddy. I
2357
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:30,480
don't know. Do
you have a snack that you
2358
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:31,780
enjoy eating now that
you've been off sugar for
2359
01:21:31,780 --> 01:21:33,100
ages? Or
do you just eat snacks
2360
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:34,120
now? I
just don't eat snacks now.
2361
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,160
Probably
an apple. I'm
2362
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:36,460
not going to lie. I
actually really like apples
2363
01:21:36,460 --> 01:21:38,000
when I've not eaten loads
of chocolate. Well,
2364
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:40,520
on that unbelievably boring
note of apple being your
2365
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,960
favorite snack, we're going
to round up there. As
2366
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,460
the apple of your eye,
let's finish up this.
2367
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:46,360
Right,
guys. Thank
2368
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,100
you for listening for this
long. It
2369
01:21:48,108 --> 01:21:49,280
hopefully has been a useful
one. I've
2370
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,320
quite enjoyed that. The
title is going to be like
2371
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,880
a pow pow pow because we
covered so much. What
2372
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,060
is the title? I
don't know right now. The
2373
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:56,220
title. The
exact title that you're
2374
01:21:56,220 --> 01:21:57,020
going to play. The
title is...
