March 3, 2024
Ep 52: Brushing Teeth & Toilet Training: What Exactly Is The Role Of A Teacher?
This week, we saw a study where half of parents felt it wasn't solely their responsibility to toilet train their children. Labour want to introduce teeth brushing to primary schools. What exactly is too much to ask for teachers? We discuss it all in this week's episode, and more! Join us on Instagram and let us know what you think. www.instagram.com/teachsleeprepeatpodcast
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Head Everyone, Welcome back to
another episode of Teaching
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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.
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And my name is Hayden.
I'm back with another episode.
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Hope you're all well.
Hope you're getting on nicely.
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We're past halfway through the
academic year.
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Wow.
And we're feeling good.
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Eating dinner?
This is why you're cheering guys
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for the peak vocals, Hayden.
How many teams are in?
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Today for four.
Straight in.
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Boom.
Moving on, that's what.
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People need to know.
Moving on.
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We did a short story the other
day which was everyone's
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favourite dessert and I did that
classic thing where I forget
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that I put a question on
Instagram and there were loads
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of really good responses and I
just want to shout out.
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I was just thinking about the
your keys and like you
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forgetting everything.
Ohh, how can we how can we get a
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key fob thing for your memory in
general?
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I think that's just like I need
a personal assistant role just
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to remind me of stuff.
Anyway, one of them want to
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shout out because there are lots
of really good response.
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Obviously one of them was be a
Kit Kat from Grandad's fridge
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and his cherry aid, because
that's what we used to have, my
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cousin and I was.
Like I thought that was just.
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Like me, who did that grandad,
But apparently my granddad just
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gives out Kit Kats and Cherry
was like banging dessert.
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That's like peak peak dessert
when I was younger.
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So yeah, we all this stuff is
almost a tiramisu.
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And I was like, oh, they're two
ends of their class.
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But come on then.
A lovely tiramisu or a cold Kit
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Kat and some cherry pop which
was 17 P from the potentially
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out of date.
I don't know.
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Almost certainly out of date I
think if you went to anyone's
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grandparents house and.
Stands out from the fridge.
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There is a 50%.
Chance it's not in danger from
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the crisps always out of date.
You are not going to your
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grandparents house and having in
date crisps.
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I love prawn cocktail cardboard.
Ohh no they were sort of
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vinegar.
Ohh, were they?
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They're a bit angry anyway.
Have you been?
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Yeah, not bad, not bad.
Bit tired today.
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We went swimming with the kids.
That was nice.
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Lovely.
It's getting nicer every week,
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isn't it?
As they get older.
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Ohh we love.
It and they seem to like we
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actually enjoyed it a bit more.
There was a bit like potatoes in
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the water.
I could have thrown a potato
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into the into the swimming pool
at 1st and it was that Rory was
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that potato, because they're
doing the same thing.
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Over the first two weeks, when
River did nothing but scream.
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Do I remember?
Yes, Yes I do.
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When I just screamed.
The funniest bit is when they
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obviously the songs and stuff in
this swimming because it's a
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club and there's this.
There's this leader at the front
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trying really hard to play.
Jump, jump.
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When the little green frog and
rivers scream, scream, went the
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little cute rhythm.
What?
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She's going to be feisty and she
even earlier on that Dylan, all
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of them, everyone was round and
you played with Roy on the floor
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just after I played with River
on the floor and Driver was
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loving it and I was like oh, do
this with Roy, I'll see if he
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loves it and as soon as you
start doing Rory that's the on
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my lap and she was looking at
you going.
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Yeah, she was staring.
Honestly doing she.
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Looked like how dare you come
into my house and ruined my
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playing and.
She's only three months old.
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What's going?
On ohh anyway.
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But yeah, other than that, I
only got one one story from the
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week.
So remember last week when I
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said that I had Scott?
Yeah, the PE specialist teacher
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teach lesson happened again,
this time reversal.
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So the whole was taken up.
I was supposed to be in the
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hall.
The hall was taken up.
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And he was like, what you gonna
do?
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I was like, I don't know.
He was like, why don't you come
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out with me?
We'll do it again.
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We'll do it outside this time.
So he set up this banging pee
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lesson the kids absolutely love
better than anything I've ever
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done.
And I just sort of stood around
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like, oh, I'm helping.
But one of the kids, one of the
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year fives clearly from your
class, not talk, you've not
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taught them right.
Because if I don't actually
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know, I know of some of them
just yeah, when they talk.
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So just come up to me.
And she was a lovely, sweet
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girl.
I've seen her a few times and
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she is one of those kids.
I think it's generally very
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polite, very nice girl.
She comes to me lovely beautiful
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smile was like excuse me Mr
Goldilocks.
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And the three hairs.
Would you mind if I would go to
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the toilet.
But she had this little smirk on
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when she was saying it as if
like ohh, Missus Evans, you like
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you know the in joke that we you
know how polite she was because
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she addressed you by your full
name.
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Yeah.
Not Mr Goldilocks.
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Yeah.
Mr Blocks and the three heads.
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I think at first she said
Goldilocks and the and the three
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hairs or should and then she
went oh should I say Goldilocks
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and the three hairs.
Don't you remember?
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And I.
Just thought actually, or should
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I say border looks in the 7000
little tiny hairs because Steven
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doesn't bother to say I'm
getting.
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Personal now just turn into a
horrible, horrible man.
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Are you gonna shave your head
ever again or are you gonna?
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No, that's another thing, I
thought.
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Ohh, look at me.
I'll stay.
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But they're not watching
traditionally.
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Listening to the podcast, you're
in luck because you don't get to
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look at.
That every day I say ohh should
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probably shave my head and face.
Yeah, but I'm not.
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I'm not sure you're someone who
puts effort into how they.
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Look, no, not what great
magazine They're not saving, so
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you need to know.
What?
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Anyway, but yeah plus side P was
was great this week the.
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The benefits of specialist
teachers?
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Yes, thanks.
Scott, you.
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Assessment week for us it's
different to year six.
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Year six are completely
different time scale of doing an
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assessment every six hours, but
in year four we do 3 assessments
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throughout the year and we're on
our middle one right now.
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So the children have been doing
loads of maths and English
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stuff.
I don't mind them, I quite like
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assessment weeks.
I just.
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To be honest.
What a weird podcast this would
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be if we never share our you
know they would you teach?
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Alright.
Did you sleep?
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I slept, yeah.
And then you do it again after I
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repeated.
It or we do.
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What happened right then which
was I pre planned that question
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I was going to ask you, You
remember that I was going to ask
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that question and just answered
it without me asking you.
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So yeah, what do you think of
assessment we still?
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It was like, yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna ask you cause I really
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wanna talk about it.
I really wanna talk about.
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So I'm gonna ask you, it's like,
OK, I'm waiting to say anyway,
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let's let's see what Hayden.
Hey, I'm having something to
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say.
About this I wanna ask him
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anyway I want you.
I want.
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You feel useful.
We said it a million times
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before.
I think it really depends on if
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you set and what your class is
and where they're at in their
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learning journey.
Because there is a huge argument
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to simply say, OK, I could have
just been teaching them angles
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that week though, and instead of
teaching them angles that week,
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they got asked a question and
the test about angles, which
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they've never done before.
And my class, you know, had to
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say to them, Look guys, now
about 40% of this paper we
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haven't done yet.
So when it asks you to tick the
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triangles that have acute angles
and which ones are symmetrical
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and which ones have obtuse
angles, don't worry about that
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question.
And like ohh OK, it's very weird
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because we never ever would do
that to them in any other
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situation.
It's not problem solving if they
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don't know actually what the
things mean in the 1st place.
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It's just that's a bit of a
waste of time.
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Remember when we read that
Ofsted guidance like a year ago
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on maths and one of the clear
points was that it's not.
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They won't see it as a positive
point if schools have.
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Assessment policies in place
where children are assessed on
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knowledge they have been taught.
Yeah.
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So, yeah, that ever since we
read that, I'm sort of like Ohh,
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yeah, I did.
Kind of Just not like.
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I suppose the flip side is if
you're looking at it from a
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point of view of data, it's very
easy to see progress.
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Because if they do a test of the
whole curriculum at the start of
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the year, the middle of the
year, the end of the year, you
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will certainly see very clear
progress from all children,
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pretty much.
Even if it's like it's hard them
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to track how much progress they
should have made because they've
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been taught it.
But you will definitely see the
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numbers go up at least.
Honest opinion, if you just with
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an assessment at the end of the
year, right?
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And you only compared end of
year to end of year to end of
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year.
So in your time with them, you
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only did one assessment with
them.
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Do you reckon your progress
would have been worsened because
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you didn't have those points
across the year where you were
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doing those?
Slightly.
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And that's only because you
learn a lot from assessments.
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I think you learn a lot of
specific stuff.
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I learned, for example in
English some children who are
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very solid readers and good at
comprehension, who are terrible
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at testing.
So therefore I know now that
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those little group of children,
actually they do need constant
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little just drip feeding of
here's a 2 mark question and
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actually they're gonna want you
to answer it in this way because
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we are leading towards the stats
and stuff like that.
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Whereas I know they understand
and they know they know how to
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read and stuff.
But there's that little bit of
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technique, especially in maths
when it comes to like
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arithmetic.
For example, I know from, for
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example, if I've got a child
who's getting 32 out of 40 right
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now, I'm really pleased with
them.
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We haven't done all of it.
But if I've got a child that's
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getting 12 out of 40 right now
that's a problem.
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And I only know that because
they sat a test like I might
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know from my teaching are a bit
wishy washy on this.
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But actually ohh, in a test
situation they're nowhere near
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quick enough and actually
they're making this mistake
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consistently in a test condition
because test conditions are very
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different to classroom
conditions.
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Sure.
So I think they're approach to
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it.
I think it can be managed much
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better.
I think in general I think most
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schools do assessment 60%.
Well I would say, I would argue
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in that you clearly need points
and we need to feedback.
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We got parents evening in a few
weeks.
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That would be a very easy go to
to say, well you know in class
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it's this, this, this, but
here's the hard raw data.
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When they sat down and did half
an hour test, they're getting
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this actually.
So we need to work on that and
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that.
Sure.
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In general, you know, as
professionals, I don't think we
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need them, but I think they're a
nice grappling hook for.
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Football.
There's some of the gap analysis
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you can get from it.
Sure, he's genuinely really
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useful.
But I guess the argument could
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be that you could get that in in
ways that don't involve doing
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massive week long summative
assessments that have loads of
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knowledge in that they haven't
learned.
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You can probably do a little
cumulative.
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I don't think.
I don't think there is a single
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argument I've ever heard to
testing kids and stuff.
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They haven't yet, no other than
it.
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Will show score.
Goes up, the score will be,
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yeah.
And that to me is like, of
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course it will.
Yeah, that's that's the one
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thing I can guarantee you was
gonna happen without knowing,
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without doing a test to find
out.
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If if I give you a Spanish test
now, and then you learn Spanish
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for a year and give you another
test, would it actually provide
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you any information?
I suppose it might be an
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outlier.
Didn't learn anything.
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You hang on a minute, Yeah.
Yeah, OK, not general.
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But anyway, so test week, I know
it's really boring for a lot of
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children.
Some kids absolutely love it, by
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the way.
And I've said this before with
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SAT, like, I don't actually
think we should get rid of Sats
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because I think in the right
environment, I think it can be a
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really positive thing for the
children.
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And they've got to learn to do
tests and things like that.
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And some children relish it.
But they're always going to be
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some children who struggle with
the idea of having to do tests a
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week, especially if they
struggle academically in
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general, Yeah.
And they're a bit like they're
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ability isn't quite there to
understand everything.
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It can be laborious and it's not
nice satin children.
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Free tests.
I don't like doing it.
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Never have.
I agree for those children in
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particular.
So at the end of the tests all
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week I was doing riddles with my
class.
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So I found riddles online.
Genuine riddles.
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And the kids are so good at
riddles.
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All teachers will know this kids
they were just half your class
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will know the answer to riddles
and stuff.
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It's just something they love
doing.
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So I'm going to give you some
riddles I found online just to
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see you know them.
They're very traditional.
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So play along at home.
You've had these rules before
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you probably gonna shout saying
yeah, obviously.
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So I've got four that I found
that the kids loved and a lot of
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them do.
OK then, I'm gonna read 2
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Riddles.
The kids afterwards, always.
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You get this at school, they put
the hand and say I've got a
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Riddle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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OK, I'm gonna read them after K
Ready.
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So first one, Susie's mum has
three kids.
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Snap, Crackle and Susie.
Yeah, good.
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Classic.
And a lot of them got that.
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They're like, yeah, Suzy and I
was like, all right then, no,
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we're gonna snap.
Crackle and pop even around
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anymore.
I put that up and actually none
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of them even have crackle and
pop.
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Yeah, they're like, oh, I don't
know, I don't know.
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But they a lot of them were
like, hmm, snap, crackle.
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And they were like, that's two
random words.
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One of them, one of them said,
Bob and I was like, close but
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not quite.
Next one.
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What this is, you know, this
one, What gets wet as it dries?
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A towel.
Yeah, good.
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A classic one.
What gets shorter when you add 2
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letters to it?
Short.
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Yes.
At ER becomes shorter.
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They were like a few of them had
their mind.
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Yeah, that's that's a good type
of like thinking.
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That one, like this one, I
thought was going to be a Riddle
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the kid had made-up.
So the kid told me this one,
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Yeah.
But it was actually really good
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and it had an actual answer.
And I was like, oh, I didn't
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know that.
So that's, you know, this one.
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What?
What stays stuck in the corner
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but travels the world?
A stamp?
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Yes.
Well, I've heard these.
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I've heard all four of those.
They're very common in the.
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Past.
But I hadn't heard the stamp
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one.
Yeah.
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Anyway, anyone who's a teacher
who work with children.
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No.
So you start introducing
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riddles.
Everyone wants to say a Riddle,
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whether they've got a Riddle or
not.
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So these are the kids came up
with.
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Ready.
OK.
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Gosh, we've just done the suzies
Mum one.
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Right.
And they were like, oh, OK,
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alright.
Can I do my Riddle?
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Yeah, sure.
Bob's dad had a son.
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What's his name?
What?
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Is it Bob?
No, it's John answering this.
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Always said Bob, like no John.
Right.
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OK.
Thanks kid.
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And one more.
This one just could be just
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complete nonsense.
I have a silver coin that's
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medium sized.
What is it?
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I don't know 20 piece.
Is it gonna be literally?
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Why is it 20P And she was like
because it's medium sized?
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And it's silver.
That's that's not a Riddle.
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But then someone else, yeah, but
it's got 7 sides and I was like
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true but also irrelevant.
Ohh wow.
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Just crap my.
Kids brains.
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I when I when I was an NQT.
I don't know if you remember
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this.
You know when you have way more
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time to do stupid stuff?
Like never have time to do this
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Now?
I had a little white board at
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the back of my room.
I remember this.
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Remember it was probably like a
three inside, maybe a bit
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bigger.
It's quite small and I just did
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Riddle of the day and every
morning I just googled just find
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another Riddle to write up and
then they just have a.
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Guess it, man.
I love that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, love it.
Like the kids.
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The kids were so, so, so
excited.
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And there was another one.
You know one more Riddle.
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Because this kid was obsessed
with this Riddle.
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OK, And again, it's another
actual Riddle and I didn't know
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the answer.
OK, alright, I don't know the
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answer.
This one.
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So there are five children.
Hmm.
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OK, one of them's playing chess,
Susie.
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One of them is playing chess.
Yeah, one of them is reading a
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book.
One of them has gone swimming.
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One of them is writing horse.
What's the fifth one day?
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Playing chess for the.
First, ohh you're Mr Riddle ohh.
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You've never heard that, by the
way, I did just work that.
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Ohh, you saying it?
Alright, well I've not heard
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that one.
I'm a genius.
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I'm very clever, Self declared.
Shall we move on to the back of
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the episode?
Yeah, let's do it.
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I'm.
Fighting 1:00 today.
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Yeah, it's really good.
We're gonna get our teeth into
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it.
A bit of controversy, but before
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we actually do that, we are
going to talk about the news of
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the week.
It's the news of the week's news
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of the week.
News news, news, news, news of
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the week.
Are you wondering what's
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happening in education?
Wonder no more.
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Because teaching repeat are
gonna talk to the nation street
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sugar.
And by nation, we mean all four
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of you.
Ohh, I still need to make a
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compilation.
Of you.
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Singing.
Random singing.
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Yeah, random singing and getting
words completely wrong.
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We won't see The Day of Light
again.
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Play jingo right before we crack
on Hayden.
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I'm gonna bring it up because it
really makes me laugh.
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Ohh, what?
What have you?
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No, not.
Surprising.
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Can you tell the listeners what
your retort is when I complain
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that you're a really loud eater?
I'm saying this, you just drank
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water.
My eardrums burst, right?
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So a bit of context for anyone.
Well, obviously I've shared
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dinner with Hayden quite a bit.
Our families get together.
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And now I've cooked you dinner.
Quite, yeah.
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Quite a lot.
And so he's cooked it.
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I I laid off for a bit.
He was cooking dinner.
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I was like, I can't be rude but
then I just want to eat.
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He's such a loud eater right.
He doesn't even, he doesn't even
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eat his mouth open.
So he's not being like he's not
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being rude, He just it's like a
condition.
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You can't help it.
So why are you so loud when you
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eat?
And I don't know what I
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expected, but listen to the
reason he gives.
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I have got really thin cheeks.
I do, I do.
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I really say, look, you know, if
you're looking on camera.
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What was really funny when I
first brought it up, he was so
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defensive.
Is like my Nan used to ask me
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all the time, but I tell her I
didn't.
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Cheat.
You're bringing up some bad
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memories here.
We just get told off all the
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time.
Close your mouth when you're
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eating.
When that was closed.
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Anyway, ohh I see him.
As a Jingle spoke about before
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before we get our teeth into the
role of a teacher and you know
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where is the line.
I'm looking forward to trying to
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draw that line.
It's gonna be quite hard.
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A couple of things from
education this week.
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The news that I wanted to talk
about first thing, it really,
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really did peak my interest in
this one because the whole
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episode about absence and the
absence crisis did.
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And we all accept that it's a
huge problem and it's it's been
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a big change since COVID
especially.
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And and the fact that came along
with this, I'll tell you first
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so we can judge what we think
about what's happening is that
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almost 1/4 of secondary school
children are missing 10% of
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school.
So almost one.
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If you one in four children, you
go to secondary school.
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Yeah.
I'm missing 10% of their school,
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is it.
What do you mean by that?
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Explain that as in in their
school life.
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Yeah.
Out of the.
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Out of one in every 10 days.
They're missing.
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Right.
As in just ongoing.
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That's not like percent in the
whole time at school.
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He missed 10%.
No, Like, they're missing 10%,
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let's just say this year
recently or something.
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But if you had to handpick a
child, one in four of them are
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missing currently ongoingly one
in 10 days of school, 10% of
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school.
It's huge.
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It's a big problem.
It's a huge problem.
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And we did a whole podcast about
what we can actually do to help
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it.
We talk about mental health.
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We talked about all these
things.
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So the government have come
along.
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They've gone OK.
That is unacceptable.
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You.
Get children.
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That's acceptable.
Elections come up soon, yeah.
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So what we're going to do?
We're going to up the fine from
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60 lbs to 80 lbs.
What do you think, Hayden?
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Ohh my child still depressed
though.
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Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
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Well, why?
Why are they off?
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And they're saying it's because
a lot of school holidays and my
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my instant thought is we've got
190 days in the school year.
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Yeah.
Right. 10% is 19 school days.
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Yeah.
Where do they?
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Think it's going on holiday for
four weeks?
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Yeah, it's not because if you're
missing 10% of your school, it's
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not because you're going on.
Holiday.
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And if they are, they do not
represent the wider.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
Maybe some people.
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Are of course not many and and
even if they go away for a week
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or two they're still off for two
extra weeks in the year.
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You know what if they're ill,
you know what if you know they
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can't access We we've gone for.
I don't wanna go through it all
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again go and listen to absence
crisis episode.
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But I saw that and I just
thought, that is pathetic.
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Well, that put me off now, isn't
it?
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But who cares about an 80?
Yeah exactly.
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So ohh OK I'm I'm taking my kid
on holiday.
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It's £500 cheaper to go in the
half term.
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Hmm.
Ohh. £20 extra.
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Yeah, I know 20.
Won't do it.
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Won't do what?
I'm only saving £480.
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Ohh sucks.
I just think it's so short
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sighted and actually who's that
going to hurt the most?
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The people with money, no fines,
don't work as a.
455
00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:10,900
Deterrent For rich people, it's
analogy of tick boxing.
456
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:13,720
Yeah.
Or it's like we need to address
457
00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:15,040
this thing.
We need to show that we've done
458
00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:16,280
something.
What's the easiest thing we can
459
00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:18,100
do that we don't have to action
and no one cares about, but it
460
00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:20,610
looks like we've at least tried
to do.
461
00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:22,570
Something the Daily Mail.
The Daily Mail readers might be
462
00:18:22,580 --> 00:18:24,380
happy with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
463
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:26,870
Do finer.
More I should be in school
464
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,700
those.
Kids back in my day, I left
465
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:30,300
school and I didn't even do my
GCSE's.
466
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:32,590
Not still made something.
Yeah, and look at you now.
467
00:18:32,660 --> 00:18:36,220
And absolute idiot.
Anyway, so it just made me laugh
468
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:38,210
as well because they put up the
fines by 33%.
469
00:18:38,260 --> 00:18:40,530
It's like, could you put
everything else up by 30% off?
470
00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:43,410
Could you increase the funding?
And where's that money gonna go?
471
00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:45,060
Where is that money going?
Oh, I don't know.
472
00:18:45,070 --> 00:18:46,630
Anyway, I thought that was a
joke.
473
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,160
I thought, Gillian, we know you
listen.
474
00:18:49,470 --> 00:18:52,070
If you listen to the whole
absence episode of thought, put
475
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,970
the money up.
It's just so funny thinking
476
00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:56,440
about all the things we said
would be really cool to try and
477
00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:59,110
solve that.
Not once did we think more Fine.
478
00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,840
I'm pretty sure that was the one
that we were like that's the
479
00:19:00,850 --> 00:19:02,110
only deterrent doesn't really
work.
480
00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,620
At all, I know exactly.
So anyone that's got to fix the
481
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:06,330
problem.
We could fix our crisis of
482
00:19:06,340 --> 00:19:09,650
mental health of our youth, or
we could make the parents
483
00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:12,940
poorer.
What's going to be good for
484
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:14,240
society?
Anyway, much poorer?
485
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:16,200
No, just an insignificant
amount.
486
00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:19,060
Yeah, just just just going out
by 20 lbs.
487
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,940
Yeah.
Anyway the other thing in
488
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:22,970
education, I'm gonna throw this
over to you straight away
489
00:19:22,980 --> 00:19:25,720
because it's apparently again
we've not really been on social
490
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:28,160
media in education and stuff for
a long time but this is
491
00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:30,760
something that gets brought up
loads and loads and and it's
492
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,830
always in the newspapers and
like a cycle of news and stuff
493
00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:37,500
is about the holidays that we
get as a teacher and it's it is
494
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:39,420
kind of old school.
The fact we have a six week
495
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:43,090
summer holiday and the big thing
was what should happen from
496
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:43,590
this?
I don't know.
497
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,630
This group of people suggested
that we should actually have a
498
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:51,630
four week summer holiday add an
extra week between summer and
499
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,910
Christmas So that one week half
time is not to add an extra week
500
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,390
between Christmas and Easter.
That's another two now and
501
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,920
basically you have the same
amount of time off, but just
502
00:20:00,930 --> 00:20:03,590
short of some holiday and a
couple extra one weeks to two
503
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,690
weeks what?
Do you think I'm not?
504
00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:06,230
I'm not against it.
I'll be honest with you.
505
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,170
My gut feeling there wasn't my
summer holidays.
506
00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:10,550
I love it.
But also, I do hate those one
507
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,990
week half term breaks.
Yeah, they are just terrible.
508
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,690
It's a well known thing in
education for one week half term
509
00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:18,880
is is never enough to do really.
Yeah, it's not actually a break.
510
00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:20,070
Yeah.
And you always gotta do work.
511
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,610
Yeah, you know, you'd be very
lucky if you're.
512
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:23,290
Not whereas in a two week, I
always feel like I can
513
00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:24,990
completely switch off for at
least a week.
514
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,070
Yeah, yeah.
And then OK, that week's back.
515
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,190
Now Carl, catch up my.
Wife and four weeks to six
516
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,390
weeks.
I reckon I'd quite quickly
517
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,950
adjust.
Well, I'm still feeling like a
518
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,880
big chunk of time.
Off we did a whole episode about
519
00:20:34,890 --> 00:20:36,340
why teachers struggle with
summer holidays.
520
00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:37,940
A lot of teachers do, cause it's
so long.
521
00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:39,440
Yeah, yeah.
And actually a lot of your
522
00:20:39,450 --> 00:20:42,330
friends don't don't work in
education, are just working.
523
00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:44,360
Yeah, yeah.
I'd like to know what the impact
524
00:20:44,370 --> 00:20:46,000
it would have on kids as well.
I don't know.
525
00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:48,380
I don't know.
Is it is there some?
526
00:20:48,670 --> 00:20:51,900
The point is psychological study
around like having six weeks off
527
00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:54,560
is like a really ideal amount of
time to let learning and bed.
528
00:20:54,570 --> 00:20:56,900
I don't know, probably not.
I imagine four weeks wouldn't be
529
00:20:56,910 --> 00:20:58,520
a detriment.
It might be, but I think the
530
00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:00,360
other thing is as well.
You know what it's like when you
531
00:21:00,370 --> 00:21:02,710
go back in September and the
kids, my school, for six weeks?
532
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080
How hard it can be to like embed
routines again and stuff like
533
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:06,630
that.
The idea is there's just less
534
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,790
time for children to forget
stuff.
535
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,330
True.
I don't know.
536
00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:14,140
So I was wondering, if you had
to pick right now, what would be
537
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:16,190
your ideal situation for
holidays?
538
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,360
Would you keep it a six?
Would you drop one week?
539
00:21:18,370 --> 00:21:21,900
Would you drop 2 weeks?
Yeah, I'm gonna put you on the.
540
00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:26,490
Spot so tough go on because I do
know the six weeks, I do five
541
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:28,330
weeks.
Ohh, I'd just take one of them
542
00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:30,350
out of things I do, I do like it
being longer.
543
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:31,670
I'd put it in one of those weak
ones.
544
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,130
I think I'd do it in the
February 1.
545
00:21:33,220 --> 00:21:34,790
Would you?
Yeah, that's where I put that.
546
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,810
I think that's what we talked
about last week.
547
00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:40,310
That to me is like the peak time
of the year where you're really,
548
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,410
really just want to do with
holiday and you get the one week
549
00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:44,570
and it's like.
I'm going to back the full week
550
00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:45,970
one.
Yeah, I think.
551
00:21:46,020 --> 00:21:48,540
I think that's better.
And I think a lot of people are
552
00:21:48,550 --> 00:21:50,680
worried saying it just shortens
the time you can go on holiday
553
00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:53,990
and put their prices up more for
people who want to go away in
554
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,830
holidays.
Yeah, and I'm not saying that's
555
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,630
wrong, but I am saying that it's
already ridiculous.
556
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,580
Like that's a separate thing
that needs fixing.
557
00:22:00,590 --> 00:22:03,010
Yeah, we're talking solely about
kids education and stuff.
558
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:06,790
I think, I think four week,
summer, two weeks, because by
559
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,150
the end of Term 2, which is just
running up until Christmas, that
560
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,010
is honestly probably when I feel
my worst because you can really
561
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:15,350
recharge over Christmas.
And I think next week in the
562
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,630
middle, they're usually long
terms.
563
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,570
Then first too.
As well, I'm not against it.
564
00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:20,630
I'm not against it.
I quite like quite like those
565
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,120
ideas.
I wouldn't mind if it say it as
566
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:23,550
it is.
I'm just used to it, yeah.
567
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,630
But I'm definitely not against
that, because having a good
568
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,550
break in the middle of the year
a few times is so essential.
569
00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:31,240
To well-being, I agree.
Yeah, I've I've been trying to
570
00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:33,750
think of right to take the Mick
out for you as you rinse me so
571
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,050
badly with my my cheat.
Hard to think, isn't it?
572
00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:38,320
Yeah, and I thought some
earlier, I'm.
573
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:40,320
Excited to you right.
So this is with Stewart.
574
00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:42,890
You can tell he's been waiting
for.
575
00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:44,710
I think we've been doing actual
podcast here.
576
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,300
He's like, I can't finish his
podcast for.
577
00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:48,340
Him.
I don't know what the last two
578
00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:49,480
things are.
You've talked about.
579
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:51,690
I've just been thinking, right,
so earlier on we're in the car
580
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,580
and and you know how you take
the Mick out of me for getting
581
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:58,030
fewer and less wrong sometimes?
I don't take the making heart.
582
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,400
I mean, you're a teacher.
You should just know it.
583
00:22:59,410 --> 00:23:01,420
But yeah yeah and you were like
you said to me yesterday was ohh
584
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:04,040
I found your new fewer unless
it's it's still posting on
585
00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:06,220
Facebook with links because you
know it kills the post.
586
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:08,300
I was like alright, I found
yours.
587
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:11,580
I found your future.
Unless today ceiling and roof.
588
00:23:12,530 --> 00:23:14,060
Do you know the difference
between them?
589
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:18,940
Dylan is getting work done and
is in his new house and
590
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:21,940
consistently refers to the
ceiling of his, you know like
591
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:24,910
the first floor as his roof.
So he keeps on that roof works
592
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,780
he's having going on it and I'm
like what you talking about?
593
00:23:26,790 --> 00:23:28,900
Listen, ohh, the seat.
You don't want the ceiling, not
594
00:23:28,910 --> 00:23:30,460
the roof.
That the roof on your house.
595
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:32,500
The completely separate thing
that's outside.
596
00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:37,410
Look, look, look, look, look.
As a Northerner, alright, I like
597
00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:39,990
to think that there's lots of
things where we actually only
598
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,180
need one word for it, All right?
So Ruth just means thing on top
599
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:44,680
of him.
That's what it means.
600
00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:48,180
Bit down up bit.
Calm down please.
601
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:50,480
Ohh so rude to me.
Anything above your head.
602
00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:53,760
Hat, roof, hat.
Off I'm really comes the
603
00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:55,830
ceiling.
Umbrella, umbrella up, umbrella
604
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,560
becomes the roof.
If you're outside and it's
605
00:23:57,570 --> 00:24:02,620
raining, yeah, put the roof up.
All right, all right, this
606
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:05,120
backfired.
Yeah, you can't get.
607
00:24:05,130 --> 00:24:07,970
I will just I will justify and
argue anything.
608
00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:12,900
So fewer of that please and a
bit more of our discussion so
609
00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:14,800
we're gonna get right into it.
Now I'm going to sink our teeth
610
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:17,280
into it because what we like to
do, I don't know what you hated
611
00:24:17,290 --> 00:24:19,200
my favourite episodes in this
podcast is where we can just
612
00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:21,440
think of a subject that's been
in the news or something or
613
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:25,380
really get so goes interested
and we just talk about where our
614
00:24:25,390 --> 00:24:27,400
line is and I like trying to
draw an imaginary line.
615
00:24:27,410 --> 00:24:29,060
Somewhere.
I'm quite nervous about this
616
00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:30,300
one, by the way.
Yeah, because.
617
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:32,190
Is it because you don't know how
to say fewer?
618
00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:35,850
Yeah, if you were less than to
put my roof on, yeah.
619
00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:38,050
But I just think it's a it's a
very big topic and I'm
620
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:39,560
interested to see how we go.
I don't.
621
00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:41,340
I haven't got much many
preconceptions.
622
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:42,460
So those have been waiting to
know.
623
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:44,640
We are wondering today, how
should you eat your cream egg?
624
00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:46,120
Shouldn't.
I'm joking.
625
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:48,280
We are gonna talk about
something that my friend sent
626
00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:50,740
me, Actually James Brown.
We've mentioned him a lot.
627
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:54,450
What company does he have?
We're not doing it.
628
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:56,690
Well, We're not doing it.
We're not doing it, OK?
629
00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:58,720
He's a financial advisor.
He's a bloody good one.
630
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:03,490
Company you think he owns.
Anyway, whilst he's not
631
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:05,770
financially advising people,
he's sending me education tik
632
00:25:05,780 --> 00:25:07,080
toks.
He doesn't listen to the podcast
633
00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:09,570
and he interacts and stuff and
he just sent me this tick tock
634
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:11,400
in the group chat because he
found it interesting.
635
00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:15,240
He's got a daughter who is
entering school very soon and it
636
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:19,510
was ITV News and it said that
like leading statistic of this
637
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,710
survey of 1000 teachers and 1000
parents was that 50% of parents
638
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:29,050
do not think that it is solely
their job to potty train their
639
00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:32,280
child.
Half of parents who are asked
640
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:37,030
think that it's their job and
other people's EG the schools
641
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,350
when they end up going to
school.
642
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,450
And it got me thinking, firstly,
I thought that is unbelievable
643
00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:45,660
to me personally that that the
the idea that it's not only the
644
00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:48,090
parents responsibility to be
doing something like that is
645
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:49,390
crazy.
And it got me thinking though,
646
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,270
it is something that has, it's
always been there in schools
647
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:54,390
where schools go above and
beyond for that kind of home
648
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,000
life help for those children who
need it.
649
00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:58,330
Because at the end, let's be
real, it's not all children who
650
00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:00,510
need potty training when they go
there, it's a few children who
651
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,650
might need your help And it's
always what schools do, you
652
00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:04,170
always go above and beyond to
help them.
653
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,240
And it made me think of recently
Labour spoke about a policy if
654
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:11,210
they were to get into power
where, you know, brushing teeth
655
00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:13,260
would happen in school, children
went brushing their teeth,
656
00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:16,160
etcetera.
And it just made me think, Where
657
00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:17,240
is the line?
As a teacher?
658
00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:18,860
What is our job?
What?
659
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:23,220
Where does our job end?
Because on paper, of course, we
660
00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:24,520
never should be changing a
nappy.
661
00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:27,040
Of course we should not be
brushing the teeth of children.
662
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:30,020
Hmm.
But we do go above and beyond in
663
00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:32,960
that respect to look after kids.
We need to make them feel safe.
664
00:26:33,010 --> 00:26:35,100
Yeah, and I want to just throw
over to you straight away
665
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,740
thinking about toilet training,
thinking about brushing your
666
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:40,690
teeth and things like that.
What, what would you say is the
667
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,780
role of a teacher?
Do you think that it's
668
00:26:42,790 --> 00:26:46,770
acceptable for part of a
teacher's job to be training a
669
00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:48,130
child on how to go to the
toilet?
670
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:51,640
This is a really big question,
so I don't want to try and rush
671
00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:53,980
into like some small answer that
doesn't do any justice.
672
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:54,980
I think we need to break it
down.
673
00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:57,660
There's loads of layers to this.
First of all, can we just take
674
00:26:57,670 --> 00:27:01,040
it back one step to the ITV was
ITV, ITV News ITV thing.
675
00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,460
Like the whole 50% think it's
not solely their job.
676
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,520
I think that's a little bit
misleading because I'd like to
677
00:27:05,530 --> 00:27:07,680
know who they're talking about
then.
678
00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:09,690
Because OK, I'll throw it right
back at you, right.
679
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,140
This is where my brain went
straight away.
680
00:27:11,150 --> 00:27:12,840
It wasn't the teachers, it was
okay.
681
00:27:12,850 --> 00:27:16,840
Most kids go to nursery Your
toilet training your 1 1/2 two
682
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:22,620
year old just start doing it and
they're spending like 30 hours a
683
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:25,700
week at nursery.
I I don't think it's
684
00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:29,440
unreasonable to expect the
nursery staff to help me in this
685
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:31,680
job when they're looking after
my kid as much as I am.
686
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:33,720
Yeah, that's a good point
because the news report was
687
00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:35,720
specifically talking about
receptionist children.
688
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:37,160
Oh, OK, yeah, that makes.
It.
689
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:38,830
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
So they were specifically
690
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,680
talking about 4:00 to 5:00.
Year olds, so that does link it
691
00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:41,760
way.
More Yeah.
692
00:27:41,770 --> 00:27:43,280
All right.
So in schools.
693
00:27:43,290 --> 00:27:45,490
But again, when they're asked
though, could the parents have
694
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,140
been misconstrued in thinking in
general?
695
00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:50,400
But it was very much it was.
It was like the whole thing was
696
00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:53,440
framed as receptionist children
in infant schools.
697
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:56,430
Yeah.
OK, so it's to me it's like when
698
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,210
you strip back down to like the
job, then what?
699
00:27:58,220 --> 00:27:59,730
What?
What is?
700
00:27:59,740 --> 00:28:01,870
Firstly, what is the point of a
school?
701
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,590
Yeah, like really in society,
what is the point?
702
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,910
What is the purpose of a school?
What would you say?
703
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:11,050
I I think it's to train people
to be part of society, really.
704
00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:13,420
I think that's what the I think
that's what schools are supposed
705
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:15,690
to be doing.
We can have our opinions on
706
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:18,430
whether they're they're just for
academics, they're just to learn
707
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,170
knowledge.
They're just to learn how to
708
00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:22,090
read.
We could change it but I do
709
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,410
think the purpose of schools
from a really wide perspective
710
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,880
is show people how to be
civilised and and we can live in
711
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:32,930
this massive Society of millions
of apes running around.
712
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:34,850
Literally they're all getting on
with each other.
713
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,170
So when it goes lower down I'm
like yeah, should should the job
714
00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:40,650
spec change?
Probably.
715
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:42,690
Probably.
Like if you have got a bunch of
716
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:46,640
four year olds in a in a
reception classroom and like you
717
00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:48,910
know the proportion of them
compared to maybe a year six
718
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,370
classes.
Yeah, a lot more of them are
719
00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:52,640
still wetting themselves and
things are not quite trained
720
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:54,880
yet.
Would it be fair to have an
721
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:57,960
overall job spec for teachers?
It's like, no, we don't do that.
722
00:28:57,970 --> 00:28:59,800
We don't get involved.
It's like well in year six it
723
00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:01,640
might be because there's way
more like that.
724
00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:05,140
It's just more odd and more why,
though unreasonable, it's a bit
725
00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:06,830
more peculiar.
Know, safeguarding reasons and
726
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,180
things when children are 11
years.
727
00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:09,420
Old they've got when they're.
Options.
728
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:11,640
No, definitely.
But in the same way, like it's
729
00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:12,760
not.
It wouldn't be weird for me to
730
00:29:12,770 --> 00:29:15,000
change the nappy of my three
month old, but it might be
731
00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:17,060
strange for me if there was, you
know.
732
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:19,600
But as a teacher, do you not
think it's equally odd?
733
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:21,640
Not, not, not, not not.
Sorry.
734
00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:24,970
Let me let me paraphrase not
equally unexpected but equally
735
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:28,110
not actually part of your role.
Like changing the nappy of a
736
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,150
child is an unbelievable
minefield immediately
737
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,970
safeguarding wise.
Yeah.
738
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,420
You need two adults with you for
example.
739
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:36,680
Doing that you you would need
resources that go above and
740
00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:38,980
beyond what actually we've
spoken about for months.
741
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:41,790
We don't have enough to deliver
the curriculum never mind.
742
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,230
Now actually there are there are
infant schools where reception
743
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,610
classes who have to have two
people constantly on the lookout
744
00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:48,190
trying to change people's
nappies and stuff.
745
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,470
Yeah.
But that that's an expense you
746
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,730
don't necessarily have.
And it's, I know it's more like
747
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:56,670
it's more kind of let's say
expected that children of that
748
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,550
age might need help than it is
for year six.
749
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,980
But actually when it comes down
to it that that's an allocation
750
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:03,990
of a resource that isn't
currently embedded.
751
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:05,870
It's just something you have to
go above and beyond to do.
752
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,200
Yeah, so there's a problem.
I guess I'm going back now.
753
00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:10,650
I'm almost not.
In reality right now I'm
754
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:14,130
thinking of, in the perfect
world of of of a school doing
755
00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:16,890
its job to help people become
civilised citizens.
756
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,290
Should they probably be involved
with four year olds who spend
757
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,110
most of their week in that
establishment helping them do
758
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,510
those things?
They're not there.
759
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,870
Yet not weighing on the floor or
wearing pants of things if
760
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,800
they're not there yet.
I I think that should be part of
761
00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:32,000
the job spec to be honest with
you.
762
00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:34,240
If you go work in early years,
it's a very different job.
763
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:37,120
In the same way that it is more
tactile as well.
764
00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:41,520
It's very frowned upon for a
year five or six teacher or even
765
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:44,640
year 3 for whatever in general
really in in case age 2.
766
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:46,540
If, you know, if you were
hugging children things, I think
767
00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:48,400
some would have something to say
about it straight away like oh
768
00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:50,120
come on, that's, you know,
they're older now.
769
00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:52,760
But I think if you went to an
early years and there was a four
770
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:54,750
year old that just wanted that
they were crying and they just
771
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,840
wanted to sit on the lap.
One of the adults in the room
772
00:30:56,850 --> 00:31:00,060
because they were in, they were
mid doing like play what's it
773
00:31:00,070 --> 00:31:01,930
called?
Play led learning was called.
774
00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:04,870
Yeah I know it's just I think it
is different and I think we
775
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,270
should not pretend that it's not
different.
776
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,350
But maybe the systems we've
built for school do say Nope
777
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,000
there's one strict ruling across
schools and all teachers should
778
00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:16,790
be expected to to do this and
not this.
779
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,450
When really I think maybe early
as teachers, the job check specs
780
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:24,760
should be different.
So as as like let's say again
781
00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:27,840
let's put you in Gillian Keegan,
let's say you're you're you're
782
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:30,300
in charge of education and and
you're from the outside and you
783
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:32,780
notice that this is a problem
because clearly it's something
784
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,310
it's developing.
That's the whole part of the new
785
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,600
segment was more and more these
reception classes and infant
786
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:39,420
schools are seeing this is more
of a problem.
787
00:31:40,090 --> 00:31:43,300
How do you address it So it
needs addressing If someone
788
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:46,040
comes into school and wet
themselves constantly, clearly
789
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:48,490
that needs addressing and
helping and I don't think anyone
790
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,820
thinks that teachers shouldn't
help in that situation.
791
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:54,160
However, if we see it increasing
and there's an issue, where do
792
00:31:54,170 --> 00:31:56,530
you think the owners should be
on though?
793
00:31:56,540 --> 00:32:00,790
Do you think the owner should be
on uh the parents to try harder
794
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,090
before they get to school and
implementing help?
795
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,930
We can talk about funding and
stuff but whatever it is however
796
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:08,560
however the attention goes,
should it go to the parents
797
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:10,190
beforehand?
Because actually of course you
798
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,370
know you need to try and train
your children to be ready to go
799
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:16,170
to school Or should the owners
go on the school?
800
00:32:16,220 --> 00:32:17,630
Where where?
What would you do as trying to
801
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,430
solve this?
Problem both equally.
802
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,010
Genuinely, I think you should go
to the parents as first
803
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:23,520
priority.
Yeah.
804
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:28,120
They're the highest priority,
but I still think it should have
805
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:31,490
equal.
I don't think the white.
806
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,810
Yeah, white I guess distributed
both because I think a a
807
00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:38,950
teacher's role, I am thinking
earlier on now like reception.
808
00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:41,860
I think a teacher's role should
be to support those other
809
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:43,470
families at that stage in their
life.
810
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:46,210
And there are going to be like
we think about absence, right.
811
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,050
There's only so many parents you
can you can say, hey you should
812
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:53,410
be controlling that.
OK you can keep yelling at those
813
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,090
parents for what you want.
And it's the same thing.
814
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:57,980
Maybe there are there are lots
of parents who potentially just
815
00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:00,610
don't know how to.
So I think, yes, the government
816
00:33:00,620 --> 00:33:03,270
should be trying to upskill
parents in their role and
817
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,170
putting more things in place.
But one of those things that can
818
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:08,230
be in place is let's upscale,
let's upskill the schools to
819
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,380
help them too, because that's
their local community.
820
00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:13,590
Like let's upskill the teachers
to put on a workshop in the
821
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,180
evening.
Well, I'm making this up.
822
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,850
This is probably no idea.
But do something where they're
823
00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:20,030
more trained as well in dealing
with it and they can also
824
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920
support the parents directly.
I don't.
825
00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:25,650
I'm not against that.
I think it's always interesting
826
00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:28,240
because when you when you talk
about this kind of stuff it's
827
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:31,800
very easy like with absence like
with you know being toilet
828
00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:35,870
trained it's very easy to then
be like no it should be yeah
829
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,490
like it's it's just very easy to
dismiss it and and kind of out
830
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,940
of hand say well you're you're
an you mean you don't get your
831
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:42,390
child ready.
Of course you should be ready
832
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,130
yeah.
OK, should is very different to
833
00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:46,460
the reality we're.
Living growing insults.
834
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:48,980
Yeah.
So the the fact is that they've
835
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:50,170
got to score and they're not.
Yeah.
836
00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:52,870
So you know, do we now want
children running around school
837
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,480
with wet, with wet pants and the
teachers being like, well, I
838
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:56,770
can't do it, I'm.
Sorry, it's not my job.
839
00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:58,790
It's the parents role.
It's OK, the parent isn't doing
840
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,330
it.
But if a teacher is genuinely
841
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:02,110
worried about, like, because
this is a really big
842
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,090
safeguarding issue, this this
isn't like wiping snot off a
843
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,790
child's nose, this this isn't
the same as, you know, they're a
844
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,480
bit grubby after like there's
there's wipe that we're talking
845
00:34:10,489 --> 00:34:14,090
about toilet training like this.
This is high, high, high stakes.
846
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,159
And teachers aren't explicitly
trained in this and they're kind
847
00:34:17,170 --> 00:34:19,920
of just doing out their own
well, I've got a funny story for
848
00:34:19,929 --> 00:34:21,920
when I was in school.
Come on, I was in year one.
849
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,449
Yeah.
I used to struggle to go for a
850
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:24,850
poo.
I was very constipated.
851
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:27,330
Used to like tummy used to.
Yeah, used to.
852
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:28,830
Yeah, not involved.
No grown out of that.
853
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,210
Yeah, it's the opposite of
anything.
854
00:34:30,219 --> 00:34:35,110
Now go to the toilet and went to
the toilet and I went for a poo.
855
00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:35,949
Yeah.
And I just.
856
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,630
I don't know.
I don't know why I was.
857
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,989
I was obviously, I knew how to
go to the toilet and stuff, but
858
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,170
I I felt like I couldn't wipe my
bum.
859
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,510
No, I don't know why.
I panicked and I was shouting.
860
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,889
I was like, yeah, miss, miss, I
don't know why.
861
00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:48,750
I've no idea.
What?
862
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,870
The memory had gone.
Down the toilet.
863
00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:53,870
Teaching assistant obviously
hired me.
864
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,520
Eventually I came to check on me
or something.
865
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:57,980
I I was there.
I'd just gone to the toilet.
866
00:34:58,030 --> 00:34:59,180
Yeah.
I needed my bum wiped.
867
00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:00,640
Yeah.
She wiped my bum, yeah.
868
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:02,880
And and obviously spoke to my
mum at the end of the day.
869
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:05,680
It's funny now, looking back,
yeah, but like, you know, her
870
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:09,880
doing that she needed, like,
what was she going to do in that
871
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:11,380
situation?
But she was just helping me.
872
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:12,860
Out.
That's a really good analogy to
873
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:15,130
maybe base a lot of this
argument off of.
874
00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:16,380
And that very specific thing
happened.
875
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:18,500
It does happen a lot, yeah.
What do we do then?
876
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,190
Because we could bring a blanket
rule.
877
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,380
People can have the option of
no, teachers shouldn't be doing
878
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:23,560
this.
I'm like, cool, But she's
879
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:25,590
compromised.
Herself there, she's she's in a
880
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,310
compromised.
Position.
881
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:26,730
Yeah.
Yeah.
882
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:28,920
So that that kind of needs
protection or teachers in this
883
00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:31,990
kind of backs backing myself up
a little bit more to be like
884
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,740
yeah I do think it should be a
role in society that people in
885
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:40,470
schools increasingly the lower
down go do have more power and
886
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,680
training it and and like the
legitimacy and doing that
887
00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:43,730
shouldn't be.
Yeah.
888
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,500
Here's the problem.
The problem lies in the system
889
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,210
that does exist does make it
awkward to do that sort of stuff
890
00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:50,110
in certain situations.
Which should be because at the
891
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,550
end of the day there are going
to be kids like you very
892
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,450
commonly in that situation where
it's like if the blanket rule
893
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:58,390
and everyone follows the rules
in this situation the blanket
894
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,490
rule is no you're not That's not
your role as the parents role.
895
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:02,550
OK bye kid.
You stay in the toilet until
896
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,690
your mum gets here and she's at
work so it's gonna take 4 hours.
897
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:06,310
Yeah.
Like really is that is that
898
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,550
that's obviously not going to
happen.
899
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,780
So maybe we need to foster a
culture and system where it is
900
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:12,530
part of the job role.
Hmm.
901
00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:13,690
Yeah.
Because at the moment a lot of
902
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,530
these things, it just goes back
to workload as well to me.
903
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,550
There's so many layers to this
argument, isn't there?
904
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,280
Yeah.
Of like also, it's really naive
905
00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:23,970
to just blindly say, ohh yeah,
teachers can do that as well.
906
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:25,780
Hang on a minute.
Because actually, my workload is
907
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:30,110
unreal and now you want me to
also be well trained in teaching
908
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,090
kids to brush their?
Teeth, yes, yeah.
909
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:34,460
I've got, I've got to fit that
in my day as well.
910
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:36,970
Now I've now got to finish my
lessons 10 minutes earlier so we
911
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:39,750
can all go and brush our teeth
like, OK, can the parents do
912
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,910
that?
And you can see this argument
913
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:43,170
back to Actually, no, I don't
think I should ever be doing it
914
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:45,200
done at school, because it's
such low stakes anyway.
915
00:36:45,210 --> 00:36:47,260
Yeah, that's not our kid stuck
in a toilet forever.
916
00:36:47,310 --> 00:36:49,500
Yeah, that is haven't.
That's shoelaces to me.
917
00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:52,270
But you've not learned to brush.
These levels isn't there cause
918
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,660
dental hygiene is very different
to tying up shoelaces.
919
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:56,490
That's.
Healthy, but it's very different
920
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:58,260
to be trapped in.
A completely sanitary,
921
00:36:58,270 --> 00:37:00,570
completely level in the moment.
So to me, like, that one is
922
00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:02,850
really, really important.
Brushing your teeth, I don't
923
00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:04,520
think should be involved.
Here's what I'm going to do
924
00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:06,690
then, because I'm going to go
through some things right now.
925
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:10,720
And I want you to try and tell
me right in an ideal world,
926
00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:12,590
should it be part of a teacher's
job?
927
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Now, where we've been spending
the last 10-15 minutes talking
928
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:18,120
about this is the real world.
We need to help children.
929
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:22,460
OK, So in an ideal world for
your run-of-the-mill child, hmm.
930
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,690
Should or should this or should
this not come under the remit of
931
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:27,730
us as teachers to teach children
how to do this?
932
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:29,600
OK, so I'm going to go through
various things.
933
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:32,790
You've got to try and just say
yes or no if you want to justify
934
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,510
it feel.
Free.
935
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,390
I'll do it briefly.
Yeah, yeah.
936
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,330
So first and foremost, in an
ideal world, should under
937
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:42,370
teachers job role it be to train
children to go to the toilet?
938
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,940
Yes.
Wow, do you think?
939
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:46,700
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I think so.
940
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:49,460
And again, I just, I just wanted
to clarify, Yeah, I don't think
941
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:52,010
that works in a blanket policy.
I don't think it works like
942
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:53,180
that.
But I think it should be built
943
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:55,650
into job descriptions, lower on
and be part of the job.
944
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:58,340
Because your social role as a
teacher is to help these people
945
00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:00,980
function in society and you
can't really function in society
946
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:03,820
if you can't go to the toilet,
be stranded, those kids, then it
947
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:05,780
just relies on people's goodwill
and they get into trouble.
948
00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:07,520
Safeguarding opens a whole can
of worms.
949
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:09,580
Put it in the job spec.
So in the same way, like if a
950
00:38:09,590 --> 00:38:12,560
child can already add, we're
still teach them to add if the
951
00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:13,720
child can already go to the
toilet.
952
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:15,220
Yeah, the crack on.
OK.
953
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:17,660
But if you can't, I'm not gonna
leave in the toilet.
954
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:19,600
OK, OK.
And I'm not gonna put myself at
955
00:38:19,610 --> 00:38:21,820
risk by not following the rules
because we've decided that only
956
00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:22,710
parents can do.
Interesting.
957
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,750
Very.
That's what I'm thinking next
958
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,790
one.
Brushing teeth No and yes.
959
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,550
He's gonna say no, yes.
You gotta say yes or no.
960
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,660
Is it part of the job?
Description Things to teach
961
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:31,450
them.
Yes.
962
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,720
I think it could be in there, in
the.
963
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:34,650
Because I'll teach, I'll teach.
A lesson on dental hygiene.
964
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:35,850
OK yeah.
At the science lesson.
965
00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:37,360
Yeah.
And we might brush our teeth in
966
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:39,530
that lesson one time to be like,
hey, that's part of our lesson
967
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:42,120
today.
Doing every single day.
968
00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:45,460
OK, so like an actual part of
the parenting role, which is to
969
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:47,420
brush up, Make sure your kid
brushes everyday.
970
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:48,520
Absolutely not.
Brilliant.
971
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:50,300
Yeah, that makes sense.
I think already, to be honest.
972
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:51,230
Brushing.
Teeth.
973
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:54,010
Like as a as an education thing
isn't a lot of schools anyway,
974
00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:56,900
so that's just part of science.
But actually brushing your teeth
975
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:59,190
is not something that we inform
the children how to do it
976
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,690
properly.
Yes, sure, doing it with them
977
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:03,240
every day.
So in case the parents aren't
978
00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:06,760
doing it, no, no.
Next one implementing basic
979
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:12,150
manners.
Um, teachers, maybe not so much,
980
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,210
but in the school setting,
Absolutely.
981
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:16,400
I think that's a solid yes.
Yeah, I think it's 100%.
982
00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:17,510
Yeah.
It's hard for me because I don't
983
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,690
really with the kids, but I
think the people, whoever the
984
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,890
kids, aren't eating unmanned all
I think it was doing.
985
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,810
That if a child in your class
was not showing basic manners,
986
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:27,490
would you stop them?
And like, I don't know.
987
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:29,910
I've just immediately got in my
head like eating like at the.
988
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,470
Table.
Oh no.
989
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Basically general basic manners.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
990
00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:36,860
Yeah, but for me, it's like, do
we want functioning members of
991
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:37,670
society?
Yeah.
992
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:39,770
Do you not think to brush your
teeth to be a function mention
993
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:41,620
member of society?
No, not really.
994
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:43,360
Really.
I think.
995
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:44,440
Yeah.
OK.
996
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:46,820
No, you might.
You might be ostracised.
997
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:48,020
I think you don't.
And it's been weird.
998
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:51,480
A bit, but you got no friends.
Table manners.
999
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:53,580
Very specifically in the lunch
hall.
1000
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:57,220
You know how to hold a knife and
fork, how to eat properly, how
1001
00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:01,180
to wait for your turn, how to
not shout across the table talk
1002
00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:03,300
when you're eating.
Those table manners?
1003
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:04,840
Is it?
Is it our job as teachers to
1004
00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:07,230
implement?
Um, Yep.
1005
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,490
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so, Yeah.
1006
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:09,360
OK.
It's really hard with
1007
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:10,520
questioning.
Like, to implement it.
1008
00:40:10,530 --> 00:40:13,830
I'm like, oh, that's a bit odd.
But to be a part of it,
1009
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,690
Definitely.
Yeah.
1010
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:16,060
So you should expect that from
the children.
1011
00:40:16,070 --> 00:40:16,930
Yeah.
Not doing it, you're.
1012
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:18,430
Teaching.
I think everything so far.
1013
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,150
I'd expect there to be a
relationship between school and
1014
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,930
parent, not not isolated like
schools.
1015
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:26,190
It's now your responsibility.
If parents want to join in, they
1016
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,410
can.
It's the other way around.
1017
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:29,210
It's parents.
It's your responsibility to do
1018
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:30,870
these things.
But just so you know, your local
1019
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,130
community network, which is your
child's school, will support you
1020
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:36,430
in this way and this way.
If your child is really stuck,
1021
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,570
they will help and they will,
you know, wipe their bum.
1022
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,570
Here you go, sign this form so
you understand that the that
1023
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:42,950
that they can do that, there's
no one must.
1024
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,220
They don't now feel like they're
risking their entire job, their
1025
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:47,310
career, because they've wiped
your kids when they shouldn't be
1026
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,230
doing it.
Yeah, same with eating at at
1027
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,200
lunchtime in our school.
This is the expectations.
1028
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:53,990
If your child is not doing it,
we will help them.
1029
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,150
We will show them how to use a
knife.
1030
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,950
And do you think I'm going to
stop the list for a second then?
1031
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,090
Because I I'd be really
uncomfortable with that.
1032
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:01,030
I I wouldn't want to do that.
We do what?
1033
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:03,890
Like do anything to do with
toilet training with a child.
1034
00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:06,740
Yeah, I don't know.
So yeah, but even if I moved
1035
00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:09,060
there, I'd be like, you know, do
you think it's acceptable for a
1036
00:41:09,070 --> 00:41:10,630
teacher to, like, kind of opt
out of it?
1037
00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:13,990
Because I I would.
I would.
1038
00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:16,520
I would not do it.
Right now I guess because I'm
1039
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:17,990
like, well, I.
Actually trained to be a
1040
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,330
teacher.
Hmm.
1041
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,230
You know, And I'm a specialist
in teaching certain subjects and
1042
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,280
I can do this really well, Yeah,
I'm not, I'm not potty training.
1043
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:29,650
Yeah, definitely.
In the current system where it's
1044
00:41:29,660 --> 00:41:32,170
legitimate for you to be able to
go from year six to reception,
1045
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,540
if you worked on through school,
your head teacher could
1046
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:37,190
legitimately say that.
In that situation where it's
1047
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,110
kind of out of your control and
you never would have chosen that
1048
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,690
job, I think you should be able
to opt out.
1049
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:43,160
But in in a in a new kind of
system that I'm sort of making
1050
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:46,410
up where people very
specifically know what they get
1051
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:48,570
into when they go into that job
and that's the job they apply
1052
00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:49,990
for and you can't just be moved
into it.
1053
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,070
So interesting then I think yeah
because it's just a different
1054
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,840
job.
It's like saying to me I think
1055
00:41:53,850 --> 00:41:57,130
it's mental by the way that that
someone you know who's trained
1056
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:58,770
and maybe spent their time in
key stage two.
1057
00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:01,550
I actually think it's mad that
they could be drafted into
1058
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,690
reception in this because to me
it's the same as saying oh you
1059
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:06,830
know that nursery across the
road that's part of our Academy.
1060
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,090
You've got to go and work there
now.
1061
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:10,590
I mean year six teacher yeah.
But you're a teacher and we need
1062
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,710
a teacher in the nursery.
Every nursery needs a trained
1063
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,260
teacher.
So different to go.
1064
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:15,960
I'd be like, whoa, whoa, this is
not.
1065
00:42:15,970 --> 00:42:18,290
Yeah, you know, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't feel comfortable
1066
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:19,720
doing that.
OK, next one.
1067
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:21,720
Explicitly using a knife and
fork.
1068
00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:24,080
I mean like they use them, but
it's just bad.
1069
00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:26,400
Is it our role to teach them how
to hold it properly and do it?
1070
00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:29,020
Same answer as before.
But do you think, No.
1071
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:31,420
But I'm gonna be really clear.
Do you think it's our actual
1072
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:33,300
role to teach children how to do
it properly?
1073
00:42:33,350 --> 00:42:34,980
No.
OK, I think it's the parents
1074
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:37,480
role to teach them.
If they're doing it wrong, it's
1075
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:39,740
it's not a job.
It's not our job.
1076
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:41,710
I don't know.
It's tough because they're doing
1077
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:42,250
it.
Wrong.
1078
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:43,870
You're down the middle.
I'm being very clear.
1079
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,640
I'm really, I'm really part of
our job to teach them to hold a
1080
00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:48,860
knife differently.
They don't.
1081
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:51,380
Quite spec rather than just that
of good.
1082
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:57,410
Should it be our job?
Yeah, I don't think.
1083
00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:58,890
I don't know.
I'm just so on the side of,
1084
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,190
like, social schooling.
Yeah.
1085
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,250
No.
Nothing against that.
1086
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:03,790
But I just.
I think if a child holding a
1087
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,350
fork wrong and I don't tell them
how to do it, I shouldn't be
1088
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,190
reprimanded because it's part of
your job.
1089
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,910
Like if I didn't teach a child
how to do columns column method
1090
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,100
properly in maths, yeah, but
what are you doing for this part
1091
00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:18,170
of the curriculum to teach them?
If I don't teach a child to hold
1092
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:21,340
a fork differently, I absolutely
should not be reprimanded for
1093
00:43:21,350 --> 00:43:22,270
that.
That's not part of my.
1094
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,840
Job.
I think it could be in a job.
1095
00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:25,310
Wow.
I just think the current
1096
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,950
system's broken for it like it
was jump.
1097
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,190
It was added in right now.
You're adding in a lot for
1098
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,130
workloads right now.
Yeah, like like to to be judged
1099
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:33,740
on them, like, well, if you're
not doing that, you're not doing
1100
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:35,120
your job.
That's what you're saying?
1101
00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:38,780
Yeah, I think it could be an
educational role.
1102
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:41,940
Maybe not specifically teachers.
No, I'm talking my teachers.
1103
00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:44,940
I'm, I'm, I'm kind of grey in
these areas here.
1104
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:48,060
Yeah, I'm talking about, is it a
teacher's job in the same way
1105
00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:51,360
it's my job to teach a child the
wives of Henry the Eighth?
1106
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:54,680
Is it a teacher's job to teach a
kid how to use another?
1107
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:56,770
Change my mind then, with a
better explanation of what I'm
1108
00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:59,420
thinking.
No, it's not a teacher's job,
1109
00:43:59,490 --> 00:44:02,380
but I do think it should be the
role of someone in the school.
1110
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:04,580
Wow.
I think there should be a family
1111
00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:08,560
liaison officer in every school
or someone who is already doing
1112
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:10,600
enough, who has all OK, another
person.
1113
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:13,060
Then again, this all comes with
funding, imaginary funding.
1114
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,960
Someone's role should be just
pure family support.
1115
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:20,600
And it should be highlighting
those kids who are not advancing
1116
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,580
socially in the correct way
because they haven't got proper
1117
00:44:23,590 --> 00:44:24,500
manners.
And you help them.
1118
00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:26,590
You help the families they have.
They can't hold the knife and
1119
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,500
fork.
You help them.
1120
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:29,480
You send a little letter home
with them saying we've helped
1121
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:31,100
your kid.
Hold on the second properly.
1122
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:33,400
I don't think so, no.
Where's the line?
1123
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:35,580
It's interesting to keep going,
keep going.
1124
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:40,160
Nice blowing the children like
they got snotty nose.
1125
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,450
Is it your job to make sure they
have to buy the nose or do you
1126
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:45,470
just let them do what they?
Wanna do that was so low stakes.
1127
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,370
No, no, I don't think that's
the.
1128
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:48,750
Teachers role.
Why is that different to using
1129
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,790
an effort?
I just think you could show a
1130
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,130
kid, just get that tissue there
and just wipe it there without
1131
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:57,330
me getting involved.
OK, but it's not, is it?
1132
00:44:57,340 --> 00:44:59,000
Is it your job though?
What's to tell them?
1133
00:44:59,010 --> 00:45:01,570
To show I'm talking to the same
as I've got to deliver the
1134
00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:04,000
curriculum, is it my job to make
sure everyone my class computer?
1135
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:05,900
Knows it's such a weird.
No, it's not.
1136
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:07,820
OK good, but I'd expect everyone
to do it.
1137
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:08,940
I'm so weird.
I don't know.
1138
00:45:09,020 --> 00:45:11,470
You're gonna.
I think a lot of this people do
1139
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,010
out their own back.
But I think it's it's like we're
1140
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:15,650
expecting schools to pick up a
lot more here.
1141
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:18,840
And I don't know, let's go to
this one.
1142
00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:20,520
This is really interesting.
It happens a lot.
1143
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:22,950
I want to get your teeth into
this because I don't know what I
1144
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,650
think and I wanna know what you
think.
1145
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:27,780
Financial literacy.
So should it be on the
1146
00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:29,960
curriculum?
You see this with why didn't
1147
00:45:29,970 --> 00:45:32,110
they teach us how to do our
taxes in school?
1148
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,970
Why?
Why?
1149
00:45:33,010 --> 00:45:36,250
Why do they tell us how to
return a a form and do our P60?
1150
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:37,590
Ohh, what?
What's all this stuff?
1151
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:40,800
Do you think that should be part
of a job?
1152
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:43,420
I am so passionate about that
one.
1153
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:46,080
Yes, absolutely.
In primary school primary.
1154
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:46,930
School.
I'm asking.
1155
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,760
Primary school, no, but
secondary school, yeah.
1156
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:54,740
Secondary school like 100%.
I think it's mental that we go.
1157
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:58,780
They go through so much maths
and English, that's all.
1158
00:45:58,870 --> 00:46:00,550
All do it in context, it's
better, you know.
1159
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,110
The best context is for maths is
the stuff they do in real life,
1160
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,670
and we just teach them a bit
about that.
1161
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,980
And it's not even it can be
quite interesting when you
1162
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:09,490
actually teach.
It probably.
1163
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:11,740
Do you remember when you first
learned how tax works properly?
1164
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:14,340
Yeah, I was.
My mind was blown that there is
1165
00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:18,140
a whole chunk of money you earn
that is never ever taxed.
1166
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,740
So like the 1st 12 1/2 grand.
I think it is right now.
1167
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:22,980
Yeah.
Is never taxed because it it
1168
00:46:22,990 --> 00:46:26,030
kind of feeds into this like
almost like resentment of taxing
1169
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,460
people like a more.
Because I remember I used to
1170
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:32,420
think so if I earned 50 grand,
40% of that is taxed.
1171
00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:33,930
Yeah.
What that what?
1172
00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:36,300
And if I earned 30 grand, 20% is
tax.
1173
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:38,860
I'll end up I earn more if I get
30 grand.
1174
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,870
These bloody people working less
and get more.
1175
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,020
That's not how it works
remotely.
1176
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:45,600
I've spoke to so many people in
my life genuinely who have
1177
00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:46,720
adults.
Adult always.
1178
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:48,980
Adults, in fact, who have
genuinely, genuinely not
1179
00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:50,920
understood dark bands and how
they work and how they're
1180
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:53,800
cumulative and not, you know.
Because you you only get taxed
1181
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:56,190
40% on what you earn.
Over.
1182
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,860
Exactly.
Someone said to me once, it's
1183
00:46:57,870 --> 00:47:00,960
something along the lines of I'm
not going for this job, Yes.
1184
00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:05,400
Role or not going for this like
increase in pay because it puts
1185
00:47:05,410 --> 00:47:08,500
me into the next band and
therefore I'll earn less money.
1186
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:10,600
And I believe, I don't
understand any other time I was
1187
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:12,320
like 18, I was like, oh, is that
how it works?
1188
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:13,700
Yeah, you go away and learn
about it.
1189
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:18,310
And so yeah, I do think that in
secondary school part of the
1190
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,920
national curriculum should be a
unit, whether it's in maths or
1191
00:47:21,930 --> 00:47:24,430
English or separate things.
Business studies or General
1192
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,940
studies?
General studies, whatever it is
1193
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:28,490
that all kids have to do, Yeah,
I think there should be a bit on
1194
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,610
just the basics, don't have to
be complex.
1195
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:32,200
It's just this is the basics of
society.
1196
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:36,210
How how we've been, we spent 15
years training you to be part of
1197
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:40,450
this society and we're not going
to tell you the one guaranteed
1198
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:43,210
bit that affects basically or
literally every single person.
1199
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:45,930
It just seems stupid to me.
A lot of people.
1200
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:47,290
I love that.
I love the arguments.
1201
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:50,200
Have you ever heard people's
like justifications for why the
1202
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:51,740
government did it?
Like conspiracies?
1203
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:52,980
Ohh.
To keep him in that place.
1204
00:47:52,990 --> 00:47:54,540
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we don't want to educate
1205
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:55,930
the people.
Because they can rise up.
1206
00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:58,770
I don't think I join.
My biggest fear of conspiracy
1207
00:47:58,780 --> 00:48:00,990
theories is you're given the
government too much credit.
1208
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:02,930
They they can barely talk to
each other.
1209
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:05,320
Like, I'm listening to Rory
Stewart's book at the minute,
1210
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:07,450
who was a Conservative, like
minister and worked in
1211
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:12,250
government since, like I think
2005 or 2010 maybe for the
1212
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:14,410
Conservative Party.
And he just talked about it and
1213
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:16,750
it's a complete mess.
And it's like, OK, there is
1214
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,800
absolutely no chance that
there's this underlying
1215
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:20,690
conspiracy.
They're just hapless and
1216
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,220
terrible and literally just on a
whim like trying to take.
1217
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:25,780
Power.
Hence the the WhatsApp group,
1218
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:28,360
WhatsApp messages that came out
with Boris and all that.
1219
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:29,480
So I want to send it back to you
now.
1220
00:48:29,490 --> 00:48:31,500
You questioned me a lot and I'm
still processing.
1221
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:33,760
By the way, if you listen to
this podcast and maybe you have
1222
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:35,180
disagreed with you things,
don't.
1223
00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:37,280
Don't.
Don't think I'm that set on my
1224
00:48:37,290 --> 00:48:39,680
opinions because things will
change as I think about it more.
1225
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:42,710
You're being very I don't anyone
could disagree with what you're
1226
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,380
saying in terms of it's very
nice, it's lovely what you're
1227
00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:47,640
saying.
I just don't know how realistic
1228
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:49,130
I want to be judged on this
stuff.
1229
00:48:49,140 --> 00:48:51,890
Yeah, I guess so.
I guess the way I see it is I
1230
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:54,150
don't think the current system
is doing what schools are
1231
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,400
supposed to do properly.
I think we've got way too, way
1232
00:48:56,410 --> 00:48:59,600
too focused on academic.
It's only about academics, and I
1233
00:48:59,610 --> 00:49:04,020
think the job role should be
more open to more things.
1234
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:07,540
But there's no room for it now.
So it doesn't work now because
1235
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:10,980
we've filled all that job role.
We've filled 110%.
1236
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:13,000
Of coming a bit, mate the
framings along these people.
1237
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:16,380
We filled.
I'm leaning back more. 110% of
1238
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:19,500
the job was already filled now
with teach kids this knowledge.
1239
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:21,960
So it's like, so right now I
think it's completely
1240
00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:24,680
unreasonable any of those things
to be in a in a teachers jobs
1241
00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:27,320
back.
But I do hate the idea therefore
1242
00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:29,720
that if every single person
followed the rules to the tee
1243
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:32,960
that there are just kids going
home, Not because I'm not
1244
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:35,160
learning it from home and then
therefore they're not learning
1245
00:49:35,170 --> 00:49:37,420
it at all because we are like
they're only other like social
1246
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:39,060
point of contact.
I hate that.
1247
00:49:39,070 --> 00:49:41,580
I think that that just makes me
feel sad, so mad.
1248
00:49:41,590 --> 00:49:43,700
Imagine just being a dinner hall
and there's like some year sixes
1249
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:45,560
and they've all, they've all
known how to use knife and fork
1250
00:49:45,570 --> 00:49:47,190
since they were about four years
old.
1251
00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:49,360
And then there's just that one
kid who can't do it at all.
1252
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:51,700
And every teacher is like, don't
say anything because it's not
1253
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:54,550
our job role, and they just go
home and continue to not be
1254
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,260
taught how to do it for whatever
reason.
1255
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:57,720
I just hate that.
I'm like, there should be a
1256
00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:59,760
system in place, Yeah, Whether
it's me and you, yeah.
1257
00:49:59,770 --> 00:50:02,640
Or whether it's better funding
to have other staff in the
1258
00:50:02,650 --> 00:50:04,980
school whose job role is that
thing.
1259
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:07,900
I'd be much more open to that.
I think where it needs to be
1260
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:12,280
attacked properly from the
outside and not just another
1261
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:14,560
thing tagged on to our job.
I think that's what all teachers
1262
00:50:14,570 --> 00:50:16,400
are fed up on.
They are fed teacher fed up.
1263
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:18,900
Now if Labour come in and say
you got brushed teeth in school
1264
00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:21,900
and that's like basically all
they say, I I would honestly
1265
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:26,470
turn around and be like shut up,
go are you you're an idiot like
1266
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,490
you you need to come to this.
I'm not against any of this
1267
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:31,790
because what's number one reason
we're teaching is to help kids
1268
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,090
and this helps kids a lot, all
of this stuff.
1269
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,830
So I'm completely for it.
What I'm just fed up with is how
1270
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,590
easily they think that they can
just say ohh schools are the
1271
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,810
schools are doing.
With what system?
1272
00:50:43,820 --> 00:50:46,170
Yeah, what are you talking?
About So it's funny, I'm just
1273
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:48,480
going to circle all the
background and I do actually
1274
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:50,190
want to hear more about your
opinions on those particular
1275
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,910
things perhaps, or your wider
opinion.
1276
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:56,530
So I think my my widest level,
my overall opinion here is I
1277
00:50:56,540 --> 00:51:01,270
don't actually think teachers,
so Mr like classroom teachers,
1278
00:51:01,420 --> 00:51:05,080
should be doing any of those
things that should not be in the
1279
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:08,270
job spec of teachers.
But I do think the system should
1280
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,110
change to allow for somebody
within school to have like an
1281
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,370
actual proper responsibility.
Their actual job role is to do
1282
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:19,760
those things.
I just don't think right now the
1283
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:21,650
reason I kept saying yes because
I'm like, I don't know who's
1284
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:23,510
going to do it and I don't.
Want these kids out?
1285
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:25,360
Yeah, I don't think it really
should be teachers.
1286
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:27,810
I think a teachers role should
be here's the national
1287
00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:30,320
curriculum teacher.
That's it.
1288
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:31,680
Leave politics out of the
classroom.
1289
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:34,020
Leave your opinions on on
authors and books out the
1290
00:51:34,030 --> 00:51:35,760
classroom.
We talked before maybe to an
1291
00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:38,830
extent leave your opinion on on
their home life out of the
1292
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,300
classroom.
Your job is to teach them.
1293
00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:42,140
We've got this set of staff over
here.
1294
00:51:42,250 --> 00:51:45,220
These care workers that work in
your school, they will chase up,
1295
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:49,110
you know, the the social side of
being a citizen and they will
1296
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,590
make sure that kid is toilet
trained and and that that kid
1297
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,760
can brush their teeth properly.
Yeah, I don't know.
1298
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,370
Yeah, no, I think.
I think I'm.
1299
00:51:56,380 --> 00:52:00,090
I'm a bit of a hypocrite because
I look, I just look at this and
1300
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:01,290
I think it's added to our job
spec.
1301
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:02,870
I would be really, really
annoyed.
1302
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,670
I'd be really annoyed.
However, I do see our job as
1303
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,110
much more than just delivering
our curriculum and I and I
1304
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,450
practise what you practise that.
I practise what every teacher I
1305
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:13,190
know practises.
This because actually we're also
1306
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,970
essentially for anyone who
doesn't know.
1307
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:17,890
In education as teachers we are
also essentially the
1308
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:20,520
safeguarding each our own class
we're we're in charge of you
1309
00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:23,520
know safeguarding and providing
children with the things that in
1310
00:52:23,530 --> 00:52:27,150
on their plan that they need.
That's not teaching a curriculum
1311
00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:30,690
that's helping a child with what
they need legally via a legal
1312
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:34,570
document to access things and it
does lead back to learning I
1313
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:36,310
suppose.
But that's got a lot of social
1314
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,550
stuff on there.
I've I've had ieps before which
1315
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,450
are planned for anyone of our
education healthcare plan where
1316
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:44,230
one chunk of it has been social
development.
1317
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,950
It's been you know playground
games that are structured with
1318
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,570
other children.
That's that's not about teaching
1319
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:51,250
a child how to multiply
fractions together.
1320
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:54,010
That's about helping a child
actually hold a conversation
1321
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:54,500
with an.
Adult.
1322
00:52:54,510 --> 00:52:55,830
And do you think that should be
part of your role?
1323
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,420
Then that's a plan for you as a
teacher to be accountable to.
1324
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:59,780
Yeah, I'm.
I'm OK with that.
1325
00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:01,840
I'm OK with that.
Do I think that funding is
1326
00:53:01,850 --> 00:53:04,320
absolutely broken And I think
we're expected to do too much.
1327
00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:08,560
But for me, a legal document
when a child in my care, if it's
1328
00:53:08,570 --> 00:53:10,840
been you know signed off by
professionals and it's what this
1329
00:53:10,850 --> 00:53:12,840
child needs to access a
curriculum.
1330
00:53:12,930 --> 00:53:16,480
Absolutely part of my role is to
is to give that to the child
1331
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:18,130
because I'm in charge of their
learning.
1332
00:53:18,140 --> 00:53:21,980
That's my role as a teacher.
And again I, I, I think it's a
1333
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,470
really great line where where
this goes to because you know,
1334
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:26,990
do I, you know.
OK.
1335
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,150
So we would never ever accept
that.
1336
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:31,300
You know let's, let's go to
morality for a minute.
1337
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:33,470
Let's have a little chat about
morality, OK.
1338
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,470
Because I am always, I never
ever know where the line is as a
1339
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,510
teacher.
Yeah.
1340
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,760
Teaching other children, other
people's children about morality
1341
00:53:43,390 --> 00:53:46,450
because.
Because for me, as someone who's
1342
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:49,750
not religious, morality is
something that we kind of just
1343
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,700
agree upon as a group of people.
And the morality of a certain
1344
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:55,120
group of people, let's say, in
Britain, might be very different
1345
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:57,010
to the morality of a group of
people in a different country
1346
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,020
just because of their
backgrounds, their social life
1347
00:53:59,030 --> 00:54:01,940
like religion and years and
years, years religion, but years
1348
00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:04,100
and years of culture as well.
They just have a different
1349
00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:06,520
morality where, you know you
might live in Japan where it's
1350
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:09,290
completely normal and it would
be completely immoral to shift
1351
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:11,740
your elderly relatives to an old
person's home.
1352
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:12,250
Yeah.
No.
1353
00:54:12,260 --> 00:54:13,520
They live with you forever.
Of course.
1354
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:14,520
You live in the family.
Yeah.
1355
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:17,000
That that person that is, that
is that's terrible.
1356
00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:19,010
I that would be immoral to send
your.
1357
00:54:19,110 --> 00:54:21,380
And here it's very normal and
it's not.
1358
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:22,720
You wouldn't call someone
immoral.
1359
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:25,720
You might think it.
But as a society, we don't look
1360
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:27,970
down on that necessarily.
We think that's part of the way
1361
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:28,620
that we do.
Things.
1362
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:30,590
Cult morality, it's all says
that's OK.
1363
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,730
Yeah.
So my point is cultural morality
1364
00:54:32,740 --> 00:54:35,250
is different.
And I think there's scope that
1365
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,810
someone in a society, as a
teacher, I might have a very
1366
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:41,310
different set of moral beliefs.
And I almost certainly will,
1367
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,550
actually.
To every single adult of the
1368
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,020
children in my room.
Yeah.
1369
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:47,320
So I've got 33 different sets of
moral compasses.
1370
00:54:47,330 --> 00:54:48,680
Yeah.
There's certain stuff we all
1371
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:50,110
agree upon.
Like, you know, thou shall not
1372
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,000
murder when we're teaching like
the stuff like that.
1373
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:53,890
You know, the commandments are
being nice to each other.
1374
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:55,910
No one's ever gonna argue with
that stuff.
1375
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:58,730
But where is the line?
Because just because we say no
1376
00:54:58,740 --> 00:55:02,740
one's gonna argue with it, OK,
so do I Now say to people, for
1377
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:06,340
example, it's really important
that you vote in the election
1378
00:55:06,350 --> 00:55:07,330
if.
Do I say that to kids?
1379
00:55:07,340 --> 00:55:07,660
Yeah.
Yeah.
1380
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:09,070
Is it really important that you
vote?
1381
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,160
It was not just.
Immoral.
1382
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:12,480
It's a moral if you don't vote.
Yeah, you should vote, cause
1383
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:14,400
people have fought for that.
So you should vote Should you?
1384
00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:15,620
Ever say that to a child?
Yeah.
1385
00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:16,280
No.
No, I don't.
1386
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:17,320
Think so, but this is what I
mean.
1387
00:55:17,330 --> 00:55:18,440
But.
But should you ever say to a
1388
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:20,140
child anything then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1389
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Where is the line?
It does just go back to it.
1390
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:22,780
Yeah.
It's the line, isn't it?
1391
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:23,960
Goes back to Should you be
changed?
1392
00:55:23,970 --> 00:55:25,950
Should be wiping the bum.
Yeah, exactly.
1393
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,760
Most people really say no, but
you might do it.
1394
00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:31,930
If they need it, I mean like
there are lines here it's I'm
1395
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:33,030
really.
Uncomfortable with him.
1396
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,210
He's a really, really hard one.
Then a genuine hard one.
1397
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:37,910
OK, a child in your in the
school is being racist.
1398
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,390
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
Where it's like OK culture,
1399
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,680
morality would generally agree
that.
1400
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:43,090
That's, yeah, we have, we have.
To come.
1401
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:46,170
That's not bad, OK, but it is.
It is pushing that line up again
1402
00:55:46,180 --> 00:55:47,450
for away from education though,
isn't it?
1403
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:49,910
Like, actually, this is
something that we think you.
1404
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,150
Know it's like it's pushing away
from traditional education
1405
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:55,410
because I'd argue that if you
know you're having a racist
1406
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:58,170
incident with with a child in
your school you're still
1407
00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:01,110
educating them that to be part
of a part of this society.
1408
00:56:01,210 --> 00:56:03,460
This is completely unacceptable.
Yeah.
1409
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:06,990
And you need to be re educated
in terms of why that's wrong.
1410
00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:08,510
I completely understand what you
mean.
1411
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,420
Yeah, because because you know
what and and again there are
1412
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:15,380
lines here where you know for
you, you might think someone's
1413
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:18,000
behaviour is completely
unacceptable, but there might be
1414
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:20,640
a line where it's like well OK,
it's wrong, but it's not
1415
00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:23,170
something where it's that
serious where where's the line
1416
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:25,690
where we step in and say you
need reeducating Because then
1417
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,560
it's the whole thing of like a
system re educating a child
1418
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:31,200
based on something that the
parents might disagree with.
1419
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:34,340
Someone else might have a give
it much more severity.
1420
00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:36,100
Yeah, completely, completely and
actually.
1421
00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:37,790
Racism.
Racism is a bad example for
1422
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,330
that.
Cause generally everyone we know
1423
00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:40,080
the line.
Reason.
1424
00:56:40,090 --> 00:56:42,480
But there are probably other
things, yeah, but like someone
1425
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:44,480
might say, well, that was really
bad and other and other people
1426
00:56:44,490 --> 00:56:46,580
might be like, I mean, it was a
bit bad, but there's a lot.
1427
00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:48,120
Of worse things.
OK, let's look at it this way
1428
00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:51,120
right.
If a teacher during the strikes
1429
00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:55,870
explain to their class I was on
strike last week because I think
1430
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,040
that the way the government have
handled the.
1431
00:56:58,290 --> 00:57:00,180
I think, you know, the
government haven't offered us
1432
00:57:00,190 --> 00:57:02,300
enough for pay rise.
In my opinion, yeah, that's why
1433
00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:04,040
I was on strike.
I think it's unacceptable.
1434
00:57:04,110 --> 00:57:05,430
Hmm.
Is that OK?
1435
00:57:06,850 --> 00:57:09,020
Probably not.
I probably not.
1436
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:12,290
But we're striking because we're
we're striking though they know
1437
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:12,880
we're.
Striking.
1438
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:13,780
No, no.
I guess.
1439
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:16,400
I think on an objective level in
terms of if they literally say
1440
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:20,830
why were you off and you give a
very, very uninventive answer,
1441
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,060
right?
Not one that's per thought
1442
00:57:22,070 --> 00:57:24,010
massively thought provoking or
ends with a big question about
1443
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:25,380
what they think that's OK to
just.
1444
00:57:25,390 --> 00:57:27,590
Tell they turn around and say,
well, my dad said that because
1445
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,290
you're lazy.
Then I think you have to brush
1446
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:32,860
it off.
I don't have to be OK yeah.
1447
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:35,610
And and if you then go into Ohh,
he's wrong.
1448
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:37,120
It's wrong.
You open up this whole thing
1449
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:40,180
again of morality I guess.
And the blurring this line
1450
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:42,630
teaching.
I think we've established that
1451
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:47,430
teaching is a very weird job in
terms of yeah, it is surrounded
1452
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,440
by a big blurred.
Line.
1453
00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:50,240
It's not a postman who delivers
letters.
1454
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:53,290
There is almost no part of the
job other than teach the
1455
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:54,940
curriculum that is written or
not.
1456
00:57:55,090 --> 00:57:58,290
That is just like a solid line
of like, if you do this, it's
1457
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,500
completely wrong all the time.
If you do this, it's completely
1458
00:58:00,510 --> 00:58:02,230
right all the time.
There's not many areas other
1459
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,650
than the curriculum.
OK, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna try
1460
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:07,460
and ram this off now, OK, before
we go to our little game at the
1461
00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:09,060
end and you got something to say
afterwards, you can say
1462
00:58:09,070 --> 00:58:10,620
obviously this is the last thing
I want to talk about.
1463
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:14,470
We're gonna come round full
circle to that. 50% of parents
1464
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,950
think it's not just their job.
Yeah.
1465
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,910
We've talked about schools
should have something in place
1466
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,140
to help people who've almost
fallen through the net.
1467
00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:24,690
However, going back to that, 50%
of people think it's not just
1468
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,080
their job.
Do you agree or disagree with
1469
00:58:27,090 --> 00:58:30,630
that statement in that?
Should parents still think it is
1470
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,270
their job to do it, but if they
failed to do it by the time it
1471
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,930
goes to school there's a safety
net?
1472
00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:38,150
Or do you think it's acceptable
for a parent to say it's not
1473
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,050
just my job?
Ohh well I'm not going to try it
1474
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:42,030
wherever because when they get
there they've not done it.
1475
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,530
I know the school have something
in place.
1476
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:46,890
Two very different things.
Do you think a parent's attitude
1477
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,410
before they go to school should
be?
1478
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:51,780
I'm gonna try really hard and
get my kid potty trained before
1479
00:58:51,790 --> 00:58:53,380
they go to school because it is
my job.
1480
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:55,530
Or do you think it's acceptable
for them to say it'll happen
1481
00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:56,700
when it happens in school?
Help me out.
1482
00:58:57,910 --> 00:59:00,720
Ohh God, that's such a leading
question I think.
1483
00:59:00,770 --> 00:59:05,020
I think it is acceptable for for
a parent to say it's not solely
1484
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:07,940
my job to do these things.
I think that's acceptable, but
1485
00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:10,450
it was quite the way you worded
it was sort of like 2 binaries
1486
00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:13,200
and.
Either it's OK for a parent to
1487
00:59:13,210 --> 00:59:17,100
think that the school help it's
not just my job, or a parent
1488
00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:20,400
should think it is my job.
I know I might not succeed and I
1489
00:59:20,410 --> 00:59:22,960
know there's a backup, but I
know this is my.
1490
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:24,420
Job.
I mean, when I think that, yeah.
1491
00:59:24,430 --> 00:59:27,240
So I think it's acceptable for a
parent to say it's not solely my
1492
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:29,260
job.
It's primarily my job and IT and
1493
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:31,920
IT and I'm going to try my
hardest to get these things
1494
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:34,900
done.
But it's not solely and only my
1495
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:36,630
job to do that.
I think.
1496
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,420
I think that's OK.
I think people take the Mick out
1497
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:40,370
systems in any way.
I think we've talked about
1498
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:43,480
before about benefits and things
like should we get rid of
1499
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:46,940
benefits because some people
take the Mick even though most
1500
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:50,010
people get no should be should
we make it so that you know you
1501
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:52,530
you lose your job as a teacher
if you help them brush their
1502
00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:55,460
teeth ever once or you don't
leave them stranded somewhere
1503
00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:58,420
because some people then some
parents then won't even bother
1504
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:59,590
doing it.
They'll just leave it for the
1505
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,980
schools like.
OK some people will, but I bet
1506
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:04,310
there's probably a bigger
proportion of parents who tried
1507
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,480
to do it, who try to do it
really, really like really try
1508
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:08,170
to do it, but they don't.
But they just doesn't quite
1509
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:09,540
succeed and they just want your
help.
1510
01:00:09,550 --> 01:00:12,080
As the as the second point of
call there's no funding or
1511
01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:13,770
things in place to help them in
the society.
1512
01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:15,380
That exactly.
Well I wrote down you know, one
1513
01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:17,520
one note before we started doing
this is something I wanted to
1514
01:00:17,530 --> 01:00:19,690
bring up and I guess it's
relevant now, which is that I
1515
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:22,740
think parental roles have
changed massively over over the
1516
01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:24,580
over the decades.
Over the centuries, whatever.
1517
01:00:24,590 --> 01:00:26,400
Sure.
Because the very traditional
1518
01:00:26,410 --> 01:00:28,750
family set up in the in when our
parents grew up and our
1519
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,810
grandparents grew up, was 11.
Parent works and one parent
1520
01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:32,850
stays at home.
Yeah.
1521
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,150
Or quite often, one parent works
and one and the other parent
1522
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,510
does it like a more like a part
time.
1523
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,610
Job whilst the kids are at
school.
1524
01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:39,420
Whilst the kids at school or
just something where it's
1525
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:41,770
easier, bit more flexible, and
that that was enough income
1526
01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:44,670
generally to get by.
Obviously some of the poorer
1527
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,810
households would still have to
work two jobs all the way back
1528
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:51,110
down to all of history, but it
was more normal for that
1529
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,390
situation to have happened with
one parent working right.
1530
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:57,070
So it does free up a lot of time
and right now I don't, I don't
1531
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,600
think it's normal for that to
happen.
1532
01:00:58,610 --> 01:01:00,850
I think it's normal that both
parents are worked.
1533
01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:03,010
They're working like 40 hours a
week.
1534
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:06,310
Yeah.
And therefore by definition just
1535
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,240
have less time and maybe less
patience even.
1536
01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:11,800
I just think about the knock on
impact that would have on you
1537
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:13,890
mentally.
I just think it's, I'm not
1538
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:17,990
surprised that parents more than
ever need support with these
1539
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,890
basic things that we that that
our grandparents generation will
1540
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:23,460
be saying ohh, do it at home.
It's like, yeah, because you are
1541
01:01:23,470 --> 01:01:26,250
at home seven days a week.
One of you.
1542
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,420
Always do that thing parents
like they might see see our
1543
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:31,450
garden.
It's a bit messy all you need to
1544
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:34,280
get that sorted.
So so you you come in your
1545
01:01:34,290 --> 01:01:38,020
garden everyday for three hours.
Look I'm working like no and it
1546
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:39,660
and it.
Yeah, I I completely understand
1547
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:40,930
what you mean.
Here's a good one, right?
1548
01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:44,210
So let's imagine the situation
you've got one parent goes to
1549
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:46,580
work 9:00 to 5:00, the other
parent stays at home looking
1550
01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:48,970
after the kid, whilst the one
parents at work, the parent
1551
01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:51,690
that's at home has now got this
freed up time that people in our
1552
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:55,330
generation wouldn't have to do
all of the home training stuff
1553
01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:56,820
right?
Teaching your kids to do stuff.
1554
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:59,360
Now Fast forward.
You're saying that person hey,
1555
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:05,450
you now also have to work 9 till
5:00 and then ohh OK when am I?
1556
01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:07,450
When am I going to train them?
Well, you still gotta get it
1557
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:09,960
done.
Well, I guess that's when like,
1558
01:02:09,970 --> 01:02:13,840
you know, I, you know, preschool
and and nursery and stuff, I
1559
01:02:13,850 --> 01:02:15,530
think.
I think that is part of their
1560
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:16,010
job.
Yeah.
1561
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:17,300
So I agree.
It's like where do they go,
1562
01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:19,770
where they, you know, when I was
training them to go to the
1563
01:02:19,780 --> 01:02:22,630
toilet properly in nine to five
every every day and now in that
1564
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,770
time there somewhere else, can
that somewhere else do that
1565
01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:26,510
thing that I was?
Doing.
1566
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,240
I think they should.
By the way, I'm, I think by the
1567
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:29,910
time I get to Infant School
different.
1568
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,730
But yeah, I agree.
And it really winds me up when
1569
01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:34,150
people just say I've heard this
a lot.
1570
01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:36,740
But if you can't, what do you
not want?
1571
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:39,840
Kids in our society, because
there we've got to work two
1572
01:02:39,850 --> 01:02:41,940
incomes to just afford to live a
lot of the time.
1573
01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:44,000
I really hate hindsight
arguments like what you on.
1574
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:45,880
About what a ridiculous Yeah,
but are.
1575
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:49,060
You a character, don't.
If anyone's argument is, well,
1576
01:02:49,070 --> 01:02:52,660
don't have kids, I'm like, OK,
like, again, for some people,
1577
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:55,920
maybe you could say that and be
like, OK, well, whatever.
1578
01:02:55,930 --> 01:02:58,980
Maybe they're not quite, you
know, suitable in certain ways
1579
01:02:58,990 --> 01:03:01,940
because of very specific things.
But the vast majority of people
1580
01:03:02,030 --> 01:03:03,690
who have children are more than
capable of doing it.
1581
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:06,790
But they live in a society where
it's not valued whatsoever.
1582
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,820
Childcare is not valued as work.
It's just, well, yeah, you're
1583
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:12,850
gonna lose a thousands of pounds
if you want the luxury of having
1584
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:14,170
your kid in nursery, right?
Yeah.
1585
01:03:14,180 --> 01:03:16,950
So one of you is working, and
that's just to send your kids to
1586
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,570
nursery.
So you might as well not like
1587
01:03:18,610 --> 01:03:21,120
it's completely broken.
I really hate those arguments,
1588
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:22,270
by the way.
Absolutely hate.
1589
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,940
Anything that's like, well, if
you didn't want to do this thing
1590
01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:28,040
in the future that you couldn't
do until you experienced it,
1591
01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:29,510
then don't start it in the 1st
place.
1592
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,760
What are you talking about if
you didn't want to pass?
1593
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:33,940
Your driving no doesn't work.
You don't wanna.
1594
01:03:34,350 --> 01:03:36,610
You didn't wanna take your
driving test.
1595
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:38,080
You shouldn't have started
learning to drive.
1596
01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:39,560
I don't.
I'm trying to think at the end
1597
01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:41,360
where we'll get there guys.
One next week.
1598
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:44,100
You think about it.
This is great.
1599
01:03:44,110 --> 01:03:45,960
This is why people listen to
this podcast.
1600
01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:47,360
I don't know.
I don't know what you're on
1601
01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:49,040
about.
We can always wrap up there,
1602
01:03:49,050 --> 01:03:51,590
though, and then we can do a
little Jingle, have a little
1603
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,130
thing, and then we'll play a
quick game, little thing.
1604
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:54,320
I'll come back with that
analogy.
1605
01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:55,860
I can't wait.
For Wait for it, guys.
1606
01:03:55,870 --> 01:03:58,620
We got a quick game.
Coming up, Stick around because
1607
01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:00,500
it's going to be fun.
Yeah.
1608
01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:03,600
Hi, guys.
We're back.
1609
01:04:03,610 --> 01:04:05,770
Hayden's got a list because he's
got a little game he's gonna
1610
01:04:05,780 --> 01:04:07,330
play with me.
He always backs himself with
1611
01:04:07,340 --> 01:04:08,860
spelling.
So something to his spelling.
1612
01:04:08,910 --> 01:04:11,780
Yeah, I'm a pretty good speller.
And you're pretty good smeller.
1613
01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:17,770
Hey, because you stink doing.
Yeah, you wear that every week.
1614
01:04:17,780 --> 01:04:20,250
So if you watch and it's covered
in Baby Sick, real.
1615
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,750
Yeah, so I've got.
You don't work in your five to
1616
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:23,970
six.
No, you haven't done rages.
1617
01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:26,010
You wrote in your five before.
You've never been in your six?
1618
01:04:26,020 --> 01:04:27,480
No, I did some training in year
six.
1619
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:29,250
I like to say I like.
To say I've been in year 6.
1620
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:33,910
Alright, -60 and so I've got
five of the year 5-6 national
1621
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,910
curriculum words.
So what on earth is this for?
1622
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,210
Anyone listening for those that
listening?
1623
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:40,260
Maybe not even in education.
It's just mental, isn't it?
1624
01:04:40,270 --> 01:04:43,510
So the the national part of the
national curriculum is obviously
1625
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:44,710
spelling.
We need to teach kids how to
1626
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,340
spell, and generally we do that
through spelling.
1627
01:04:46,410 --> 01:04:48,640
It was like, this is how you
make this, how you add Ed to
1628
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:51,030
words when you know, knowing all
the rules and stuff.
1629
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,350
But also there's this list of
year three and four National
1630
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,570
Spelling National Curriculum
Spelling words and year five and
1631
01:04:56,580 --> 01:04:58,010
six National Curriculum Spelling
words.
1632
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,970
I don't have any words on each
list is like 100 words,
1633
01:04:59,980 --> 01:05:05,910
something like about 100 words.
No idea why those 100 words out
1634
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,060
of the 300,000 odd words we have
in our language, you know, pick.
1635
01:05:09,070 --> 01:05:10,410
Do you know what?
I know two of them, though.
1636
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:11,650
On the year 5-6.
Go on.
1637
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,490
Government and parliament, Yeah,
Yeah, Government and Parliament
1638
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,350
for these Who?
Chose this list.
1639
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,450
Yeah, people often.
Take the Mick because.
1640
01:05:18,460 --> 01:05:19,970
Yacht is also on there.
Yacht.
1641
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:21,970
Yacht.
Yacht what?
1642
01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:23,970
Who needs to spell yacht?
Yeah.
1643
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:27,340
Next up it would be Wildlife
Reserve Park, not Zoo Wing and
1644
01:05:27,350 --> 01:05:30,660
Wildlife Park Reservation.
The most middle class things
1645
01:05:30,670 --> 01:05:32,530
you'll ever see.
They need to put Finest on
1646
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:33,810
there.
Yeah, God, honest.
1647
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,710
People say it was very Go, a Go
thing to do.
1648
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,870
Same whole Roman numerals.
Yeah, all that came in with Go.
1649
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,690
Anyway, so I've picked, I've
picked 5 words from this OK,
1650
01:05:44,780 --> 01:05:47,750
really arbitrary random list
that for some reason kids have
1651
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,770
to imperatively have to learn
these 100 words.
1652
01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:52,780
But you know, yeah, not the
other 5 billion zillion I found
1653
01:05:52,790 --> 01:05:54,530
really interesting.
Before you do this is anyone is
1654
01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:57,190
listening thinking OK?
So you know in the Sats when you
1655
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,650
do a test for spelling because
it's a spelling test, 20
1656
01:05:59,660 --> 01:06:01,890
questions, part of the spelling,
punctuation and grammar.
1657
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,610
OK, well, you've got a list, so
And you've got some rules.
1658
01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:06,800
You teach them.
So obviously all of the words
1659
01:06:06,810 --> 01:06:08,870
that can come up in the spelling
test will either be from the
1660
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,970
rules you taught or from this
list of words.
1661
01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:11,870
Yeah.
No, not really.
1662
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:13,820
No.
Mostly rules, spending rules,
1663
01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:16,470
probably half of them.
But yeah, we've experienced the
1664
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,020
Sats.
I'd say there's normally like 3
1665
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:20,520
or 4 words from this list.
So what's the remaining 6 words
1666
01:06:20,530 --> 01:06:23,720
then on the test, there's just
other random, really random
1667
01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:24,380
words.
Guys.
1668
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:26,560
Yeah, just equally arbitrary and
hard.
1669
01:06:26,570 --> 01:06:28,820
They just don't happen to be on
this list of 100 words.
1670
01:06:28,830 --> 01:06:31,400
They're so important.
Could be any word ever could
1671
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:33,140
just come up on this list.
So why is that?
1672
01:06:33,150 --> 01:06:35,830
Why is the point in that?
Honestly, because it's because
1673
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,180
I'm like, I don't want there.
Not to be any list at all.
1674
01:06:38,190 --> 01:06:40,960
I want this to be learning words
and how to spell sure, but why?
1675
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:44,350
I don't understand why this many
and why those words yeah.
1676
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,570
And then why do we not just use
them words when we?
1677
01:06:46,580 --> 01:06:47,350
Test them.
Yeah.
1678
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,350
Why do we then just go ohh,
we've made this this.
1679
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,650
But for more than we use on the
list, we're gonna use completely
1680
01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:53,910
random words.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1681
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,410
What we How is that measuring?
Our teaching.
1682
01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:59,650
Well, the kids, I'm gonna
measure your learning, so. 5
1683
01:06:59,660 --> 01:07:01,150
words.
Yeah, these are 5 words I will
1684
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,690
just say play along at home and
I want to tell them out of the
1685
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:06,050
five, message us a number one to
five.
1686
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,450
If you got this Finder Podcast,
just put a number one to five in
1687
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:11,400
our Teach Sleep Repeat Podcast
Instagram.
1688
01:07:11,410 --> 01:07:13,370
That's our handle.
And then we'll know what you're
1689
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:15,020
talking about.
What did you get?
1690
01:07:15,090 --> 01:07:16,390
These are 5 words.
I know kids.
1691
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,020
Get wrong at the time.
OK, so I've tried to pick the
1692
01:07:18,030 --> 01:07:19,750
tricky ones.
I I I put my head on the line
1693
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,640
here because neck.
Head on the line.
1694
01:07:21,740 --> 01:07:23,900
Arm on the line.
Put my body on the line here, my
1695
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:26,560
head on the left.
Because I'm not I'm I'm spending
1696
01:07:26,570 --> 01:07:28,720
my weakest thing.
Do you think you could speller?
1697
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:30,280
Not when it's.
Like those?
1698
01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:33,030
Really annoying.
Words of SC and I'm confident
1699
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:38,120
you'll get 5.
We'll give it a go. #112 Know
1700
01:07:38,130 --> 01:07:39,510
this because we made a little
clue.
1701
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:41,710
The elf came 12th.
Ohh there you go.
1702
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:49,170
So the spelling is TW, ELF TH
correct good number.
1703
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:55,080
One correct number, two
convenience convenience like.
1704
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,490
A convenience store.
Could you use it in a sentence,
1705
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:00,390
please?
OK, there's a convenience store.
1706
01:08:02,130 --> 01:08:08,340
Can I have the?
Word origin, Don VIENCE.
1707
01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:11,730
What did they say that says
convenience.
1708
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:19,770
Spell the word convenience.
Go.
1709
01:08:19,779 --> 01:08:20,689
Here we go again.
Right?
1710
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,970
Convenience.
Just CONV.
1711
01:08:22,979 --> 01:08:26,050
EN i.e.
NC That's correct.
1712
01:08:26,060 --> 01:08:27,890
You missed out the E in the
middle, the 1st.
1713
01:08:27,899 --> 01:08:30,830
Time you went conference.
There's a convenience store.
1714
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:32,689
Convenience.
Correct.
1715
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:37,279
Yeah, I'll give you that.
Because I do think you just
1716
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:40,500
skipped it, but you got it
wrong.
1717
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:42,200
And one or two.
Yeah.
1718
01:08:42,210 --> 01:08:42,890
One or two?
One.
1719
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:44,100
Two.
Number three.
1720
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:56,920
OK, RE esports 8AE EE this is
what we did. #3 is committee
1721
01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:59,510
committee.
Oh, I know this one.
1722
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,490
Because I again, best thing to
do is spellings is to make clues
1723
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:05,910
for these arbitrary words.
And this one I told my kids when
1724
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,330
I taught them how to spell
committee that there were three
1725
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:11,670
pairs of people in this
committee because there's three
1726
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,050
pairs of letters in their
consonants.
1727
01:09:13,060 --> 01:09:17,060
So it's COMITE.
Yeah.
1728
01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:19,279
I've done 3 doubles.
Kids love.
1729
01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:21,729
That I always think of three
pairs of letters.
1730
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:23,130
Sat around the table at a
committee meeting.
1731
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:25,380
Also very another classic but
Parliament government.
1732
01:09:25,390 --> 01:09:26,880
Is committed to what?
What?
1733
01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:28,240
What do we need our 10 year olds
to be?
1734
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:30,439
Able to spell, Hmm.
Committee meetings.
1735
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:32,340
Stephanie.
Unbelievable.
1736
01:09:32,529 --> 01:09:33,620
This one describes the
government.
1737
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:37,010
I'm glad it's very quickly. 12
Hilarious as well 12. 12 Like
1738
01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:39,520
what?
I think that's just because it's
1739
01:09:39,529 --> 01:09:42,279
such a weird, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, but this one is.
1740
01:09:42,290 --> 01:09:44,279
Appropriate for the.
Government's disastrous,
1741
01:09:44,370 --> 01:09:47,180
Disastrous.
So this one.
1742
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:49,850
Is not.
You think of disaster, but it's
1743
01:09:49,859 --> 01:09:51,760
not ER at the end, it just goes
into trust.
1744
01:09:51,770 --> 01:09:58,500
So DIS ASTROUS, correct?
Yeah, Yeah.
1745
01:09:58,510 --> 01:10:00,900
Kids always put disaster.
As the root word disaster.
1746
01:10:00,910 --> 01:10:02,720
And they've learned to put us on
the end, which is why it's on
1747
01:10:02,730 --> 01:10:04,010
the list.
That's a good word that makes
1748
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:05,620
sense.
I'm like, ohh it's but it's a
1749
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:07,980
it's a really common word that
you're using like writing even
1750
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:10,220
like 12.
You're right and like 40.
1751
01:10:10,270 --> 01:10:13,680
Yeah, 40 is on the list and.
Like that is a good.
1752
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:18,180
One to teach children because a
lot of adults think 4 is he
1753
01:10:18,190 --> 01:10:20,580
doesn't have the you and that's
just while weird.
1754
01:10:20,590 --> 01:10:22,450
That's a good thing.
It's kind of common word.
1755
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:25,580
Yeah, right.
Next one. 40 My last one, I did
1756
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:27,090
look at it.
I nearly did #5.
1757
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:29,290
So you're on three out of four,
3 1/2 out of four.
1758
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:31,850
You finally got it.
Privilege.
1759
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,310
Oh, oh, this is just.
Quick thing, they're actually
1760
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,750
because we give away.
Privilege, privilege, privilege
1761
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:40,670
like the privileges.
Committee in the House of
1762
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:46,040
Parliament.
Honest to God, Privilege PRIV.
1763
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:48,870
And this, this, this, this is
what I mean when I get all the
1764
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:49,670
valves.
Mixed up.
1765
01:10:49,680 --> 01:11:04,190
Privilege PRIVI L BG Correct.
I really thought I was.
1766
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:04,920
Gonna get that.
Wrong.
1767
01:11:04,930 --> 01:11:07,170
So fun fact like that that word
I put.
1768
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:09,330
On there because it was.
It was special to me because I
1769
01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:12,350
spelt that wrong.
I'm not joking until about my
1770
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,590
sixth year of teaching and I
suddenly realised, you know, you
1771
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,650
just overlooked something.
I suddenly realised I was
1772
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:19,780
putting ad in it.
Privilege ledge at the end
1773
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:21,540
privilege.
And I suddenly one day I was
1774
01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:24,040
like, Oh my God, I thought was
wrong.
1775
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:26,210
I don't know Google.
It hasn't got it hasn't got a D
1776
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:27,870
in it.
You spelling it wrong all these
1777
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:28,810
years.
I haven't thought it.
1778
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:31,050
Don't mind one is that I fell
into the trap.
1779
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:33,930
Until, until I was a teacher.
And then when I was a teacher,
1780
01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:37,740
you know, it's like 5050 and you
teach yourself really, really,
1781
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:39,280
really well.
But it's definitely that one.
1782
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:40,510
And you've taught yourself
wrong.
1783
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,460
So you always, no, no, wait, I
get this wrong.
1784
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:43,790
I get this wrong.
So it's the other one and you
1785
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,010
get it wrong.
Still, that's definitely,
1786
01:11:46,020 --> 01:11:48,580
definitely yes, every single
time.
1787
01:11:48,650 --> 01:11:51,040
The only way I ever learned how
to spell definitely was to think
1788
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:53,540
of finite.
And then I knew I knew it was.
1789
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:55,840
That's how I spell it.
But beforehand, I was
1790
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:57,160
definitely.
I was 18.
1791
01:11:57,170 --> 01:11:59,200
Most people are there.
Yeah, you see that everywhere I
1792
01:11:59,210 --> 01:12:00,480
see that.
I see that spelling mistake.
1793
01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:03,300
Only way it was I had to go.
OK, finitely.
1794
01:12:03,310 --> 01:12:05,430
Wasn't that the word in that?
What's that programme?
1795
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Oh my God.
Line of duty.
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Line of duty.
Oh my
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Friends.
Friends.
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01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:27,870
That's a different.
Episode, guys.
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I thought I really enjoyed that.
I still don't know where I stand
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on that kind of stuff.
So the best kind of podcast
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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,550
suppose, really.
Do just waste an hour and 15 of
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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,260
your time?
No, there's no Then that's not
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01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:38,210
right.
We.
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01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:39,890
Know where I stand.
I think I was quite clear.
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01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:42,850
I gave a point, right?
OK, so I was very, very clear
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01:12:42,860 --> 01:12:45,330
with what I think schools should
be doing and the role should be.
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You need to give me a clear, a
clear, definitive answer if it's
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01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:53,050
going to be part of a teacher.
And we'll see you next week.
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If it's gonna be part of
teachers job, it needs to be
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01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:58,510
well.
Funded, well trained and
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01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,010
teachers need to be comfortable
doing it I think with something
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01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:03,810
that is drawing the line of
changing a child's you know,
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01:13:03,820 --> 01:13:05,690
underwear.
If they've got like gone to the
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01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:07,290
toilet and stuff or helping with
that.
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01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:10,690
That is a red flag zone to me.
Like I have been trained so well
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to be like no, not getting
involved whatsoever.
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I don't think there's not a need
for it.
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I think there needs to be
really, really good training and
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01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:19,190
implement stuff.
Don't do what this government
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01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,970
does and just increase the fines
by £80.
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01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,210
Ohh, if you needed to be toilet
trained, you wanna pay?
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No, let's try and help them.
Let's put stuff in place to help
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them before they get to school.
And if they still get to school,
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need help, obviously we're gonna
help them still because that's
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our role as teachers.
I obvious at school A.
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01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:34,280
School.
A school.
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A school.
A school.
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OK, the original cause you
challenged me on this and made
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01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:39,360
me get clear yeah yeah, but
teachers though is it the
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01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:40,820
teacher the training comes in
now.
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You as a teacher right now you
think training as a school you
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01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:47,740
open it to people in that
setting if a teacher wants to be
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01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:50,630
trained in it, fine.
And that the designated the
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01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,800
designated person.
However, I believe that a
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01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:55,390
teacher's role should be to be
delivering lessons during the
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time school.
Therefore, I don't think it's a
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01:13:57,710 --> 01:14:00,310
good use of a teacher's time to
be having to go off and sort
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01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,370
toilet training, etcetera for
specific children.
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01:14:02,380 --> 01:14:04,690
So it will never be all of them
would be specific children.
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Therefore, I think it should be
someone who can be out of the
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classroom.
Whether there is a teaching
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01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,260
assistant who has chosen to
train in that and has been given
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01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:13,400
training and it's part of their
role now and they're expected to
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01:14:13,410 --> 01:14:16,150
do less other things.
Or if it's a, you know, a part
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01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,450
of a family liaison role where
that's part of your role and you
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01:14:18,460 --> 01:14:21,530
have to do less other things.
It has to be implemented well
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01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:24,730
with training, a choice, and
whether that's a teacher or not,
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01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:26,940
it's down to the teacher.
However, if I was a leader, I
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01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:30,770
would say let's let the teachers
teach and we'll use this funding
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01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:32,860
that the government given us for
this problem which they need to
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01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:35,760
do on someone to be trained
outside of the classroom.
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01:14:35,770 --> 01:14:37,700
So final question to finish this
podcast if the.
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01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:41,240
Government come in tomorrow and
say OK, it's now schools
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01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:44,000
responsibility to do 2 things,
which is to make sure kids
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01:14:44,010 --> 01:14:47,180
leave, make kids leave school
toilet trained and kids all
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01:14:47,190 --> 01:14:49,400
leave school having brushed
their teeth at least once in the
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01:14:49,410 --> 01:14:50,850
day.
You'll be annoyed at that
1858
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:55,070
situation because there's no
one, there's no one to do.
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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,410
We're all maxed out in schools.
It comes with no funding, by the
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01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:58,340
way.
Yeah, yeah.
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01:14:58,350 --> 01:15:00,160
I'd be like, no, that's wrong
for two reasons.
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01:15:00,210 --> 01:15:03,550
One is we're already maxed out
and two is it's too serious to
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01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,300
not have proper training on.
Yeah, cool.
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01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:06,760
Alright, thanks Dan.
Nice one we've.
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01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:07,810
Solved that?
Yeah, Done it.
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01:15:07,820 --> 01:15:08,900
Gillian.
We know you listen.
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01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:10,480
Yeah, sort.
Out.
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01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:11,660
Bye.
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Head Everyone, Welcome back to
another episode of Teaching
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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.
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And my name is Hayden.
I'm back with another episode.
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Hope you're all well.
Hope you're getting on nicely.
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We're past halfway through the
academic year.
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Wow.
And we're feeling good.
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Eating dinner?
This is why you're cheering guys
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for the peak vocals, Hayden.
How many teams are in?
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Today for four.
Straight in.
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Boom.
Moving on, that's what.
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People need to know.
Moving on.
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We did a short story the other
day which was everyone's
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favourite dessert and I did that
classic thing where I forget
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that I put a question on
Instagram and there were loads
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of really good responses and I
just want to shout out.
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I was just thinking about the
your keys and like you
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forgetting everything.
Ohh, how can we how can we get a
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key fob thing for your memory in
general?
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I think that's just like I need
a personal assistant role just
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to remind me of stuff.
Anyway, one of them want to
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shout out because there are lots
of really good response.
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Obviously one of them was be a
Kit Kat from Grandad's fridge
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and his cherry aid, because
that's what we used to have, my
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cousin and I was.
Like I thought that was just.
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Like me, who did that grandad,
But apparently my granddad just
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gives out Kit Kats and Cherry
was like banging dessert.
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That's like peak peak dessert
when I was younger.
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So yeah, we all this stuff is
almost a tiramisu.
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And I was like, oh, they're two
ends of their class.
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But come on then.
A lovely tiramisu or a cold Kit
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Kat and some cherry pop which
was 17 P from the potentially
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out of date.
I don't know.
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Almost certainly out of date I
think if you went to anyone's
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grandparents house and.
Stands out from the fridge.
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There is a 50%.
Chance it's not in danger from
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the crisps always out of date.
You are not going to your
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grandparents house and having in
date crisps.
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I love prawn cocktail cardboard.
Ohh no they were sort of
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vinegar.
Ohh, were they?
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They're a bit angry anyway.
Have you been?
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Yeah, not bad, not bad.
Bit tired today.
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We went swimming with the kids.
That was nice.
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Lovely.
It's getting nicer every week,
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isn't it?
As they get older.
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Ohh we love.
It and they seem to like we
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actually enjoyed it a bit more.
There was a bit like potatoes in
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the water.
I could have thrown a potato
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into the into the swimming pool
at 1st and it was that Rory was
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that potato, because they're
doing the same thing.
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Over the first two weeks, when
River did nothing but scream.
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Do I remember?
Yes, Yes I do.
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When I just screamed.
The funniest bit is when they
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obviously the songs and stuff in
this swimming because it's a
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club and there's this.
There's this leader at the front
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trying really hard to play.
Jump, jump.
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When the little green frog and
rivers scream, scream, went the
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little cute rhythm.
What?
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She's going to be feisty and she
even earlier on that Dylan, all
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of them, everyone was round and
you played with Roy on the floor
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just after I played with River
on the floor and Driver was
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loving it and I was like oh, do
this with Roy, I'll see if he
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loves it and as soon as you
start doing Rory that's the on
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my lap and she was looking at
you going.
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Yeah, she was staring.
Honestly doing she.
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Looked like how dare you come
into my house and ruined my
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playing and.
She's only three months old.
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What's going?
On ohh anyway.
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But yeah, other than that, I
only got one one story from the
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week.
So remember last week when I
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said that I had Scott?
Yeah, the PE specialist teacher
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teach lesson happened again,
this time reversal.
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So the whole was taken up.
I was supposed to be in the
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hall.
The hall was taken up.
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And he was like, what you gonna
do?
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I was like, I don't know.
He was like, why don't you come
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out with me?
We'll do it again.
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We'll do it outside this time.
So he set up this banging pee
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lesson the kids absolutely love
better than anything I've ever
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done.
And I just sort of stood around
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like, oh, I'm helping.
But one of the kids, one of the
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year fives clearly from your
class, not talk, you've not
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taught them right.
Because if I don't actually
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know, I know of some of them
just yeah, when they talk.
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So just come up to me.
And she was a lovely, sweet
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girl.
I've seen her a few times and
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she is one of those kids.
I think it's generally very
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polite, very nice girl.
She comes to me lovely beautiful
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smile was like excuse me Mr
Goldilocks.
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And the three hairs.
Would you mind if I would go to
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the toilet.
But she had this little smirk on
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when she was saying it as if
like ohh, Missus Evans, you like
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you know the in joke that we you
know how polite she was because
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she addressed you by your full
name.
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Yeah.
Not Mr Goldilocks.
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Yeah.
Mr Blocks and the three heads.
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I think at first she said
Goldilocks and the and the three
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hairs or should and then she
went oh should I say Goldilocks
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and the three hairs.
Don't you remember?
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And I.
Just thought actually, or should
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I say border looks in the 7000
little tiny hairs because Steven
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doesn't bother to say I'm
getting.
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Personal now just turn into a
horrible, horrible man.
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Are you gonna shave your head
ever again or are you gonna?
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No, that's another thing, I
thought.
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Ohh, look at me.
I'll stay.
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But they're not watching
traditionally.
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Listening to the podcast, you're
in luck because you don't get to
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look at.
That every day I say ohh should
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probably shave my head and face.
Yeah, but I'm not.
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I'm not sure you're someone who
puts effort into how they.
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Look, no, not what great
magazine They're not saving, so
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you need to know.
What?
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Anyway, but yeah plus side P was
was great this week the.
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The benefits of specialist
teachers?
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Yes, thanks.
Scott, you.
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Assessment week for us it's
different to year six.
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Year six are completely
different time scale of doing an
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assessment every six hours, but
in year four we do 3 assessments
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throughout the year and we're on
our middle one right now.
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So the children have been doing
loads of maths and English
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stuff.
I don't mind them, I quite like
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assessment weeks.
I just.
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To be honest.
What a weird podcast this would
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be if we never share our you
know they would you teach?
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Alright.
Did you sleep?
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I slept, yeah.
And then you do it again after I
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repeated.
It or we do.
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What happened right then which
was I pre planned that question
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I was going to ask you, You
remember that I was going to ask
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that question and just answered
it without me asking you.
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So yeah, what do you think of
assessment we still?
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It was like, yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna ask you cause I really
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wanna talk about it.
I really wanna talk about.
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So I'm gonna ask you, it's like,
OK, I'm waiting to say anyway,
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let's let's see what Hayden.
Hey, I'm having something to
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say.
About this I wanna ask him
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anyway I want you.
I want.
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You feel useful.
We said it a million times
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before.
I think it really depends on if
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you set and what your class is
and where they're at in their
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learning journey.
Because there is a huge argument
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to simply say, OK, I could have
just been teaching them angles
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that week though, and instead of
teaching them angles that week,
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they got asked a question and
the test about angles, which
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they've never done before.
And my class, you know, had to
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say to them, Look guys, now
about 40% of this paper we
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haven't done yet.
So when it asks you to tick the
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triangles that have acute angles
and which ones are symmetrical
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and which ones have obtuse
angles, don't worry about that
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question.
And like ohh OK, it's very weird
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because we never ever would do
that to them in any other
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situation.
It's not problem solving if they
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don't know actually what the
things mean in the 1st place.
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It's just that's a bit of a
waste of time.
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Remember when we read that
Ofsted guidance like a year ago
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on maths and one of the clear
points was that it's not.
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They won't see it as a positive
point if schools have.
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Assessment policies in place
where children are assessed on
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knowledge they have been taught.
Yeah.
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So, yeah, that ever since we
read that, I'm sort of like Ohh,
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yeah, I did.
Kind of Just not like.
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I suppose the flip side is if
you're looking at it from a
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point of view of data, it's very
easy to see progress.
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Because if they do a test of the
whole curriculum at the start of
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the year, the middle of the
year, the end of the year, you
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will certainly see very clear
progress from all children,
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pretty much.
Even if it's like it's hard them
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to track how much progress they
should have made because they've
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been taught it.
But you will definitely see the
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numbers go up at least.
Honest opinion, if you just with
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an assessment at the end of the
year, right?
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And you only compared end of
year to end of year to end of
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year.
So in your time with them, you
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only did one assessment with
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Do you reckon your progress
would have been worsened because
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you didn't have those points
across the year where you were
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doing those?
Slightly.
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And that's only because you
learn a lot from assessments.
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I think you learn a lot of
specific stuff.
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I learned, for example in
English some children who are
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very solid readers and good at
comprehension, who are terrible
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at testing.
So therefore I know now that
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those little group of children,
actually they do need constant
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little just drip feeding of
here's a 2 mark question and
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actually they're gonna want you
to answer it in this way because
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we are leading towards the stats
and stuff like that.
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Whereas I know they understand
and they know they know how to
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read and stuff.
But there's that little bit of
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technique, especially in maths
when it comes to like
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arithmetic.
For example, I know from, for
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example, if I've got a child
who's getting 32 out of 40 right
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now, I'm really pleased with
them.
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We haven't done all of it.
But if I've got a child that's
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getting 12 out of 40 right now
that's a problem.
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And I only know that because
they sat a test like I might
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know from my teaching are a bit
wishy washy on this.
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But actually ohh, in a test
situation they're nowhere near
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quick enough and actually
they're making this mistake
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consistently in a test condition
because test conditions are very
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different to classroom
conditions.
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Sure.
So I think they're approach to
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it.
I think it can be managed much
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better.
I think in general I think most
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schools do assessment 60%.
Well I would say, I would argue
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in that you clearly need points
and we need to feedback.
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We got parents evening in a few
weeks.
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That would be a very easy go to
to say, well you know in class
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it's this, this, this, but
here's the hard raw data.
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When they sat down and did half
an hour test, they're getting
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this actually.
So we need to work on that and
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that.
Sure.
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In general, you know, as
professionals, I don't think we
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need them, but I think they're a
nice grappling hook for.
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Football.
There's some of the gap analysis
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you can get from it.
Sure, he's genuinely really
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useful.
But I guess the argument could
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be that you could get that in in
ways that don't involve doing
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massive week long summative
assessments that have loads of
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knowledge in that they haven't
learned.
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You can probably do a little
cumulative.
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I don't think.
I don't think there is a single
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argument I've ever heard to
testing kids and stuff.
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They haven't yet, no other than
it.
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Will show score.
Goes up, the score will be,
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yeah.
And that to me is like, of
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course it will.
Yeah, that's that's the one
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thing I can guarantee you was
gonna happen without knowing,
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without doing a test to find
out.
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If if I give you a Spanish test
now, and then you learn Spanish
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for a year and give you another
test, would it actually provide
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you any information?
I suppose it might be an
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outlier.
Didn't learn anything.
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You hang on a minute, Yeah.
Yeah, OK, not general.
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But anyway, so test week, I know
it's really boring for a lot of
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children.
Some kids absolutely love it, by
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the way.
And I've said this before with
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SAT, like, I don't actually
think we should get rid of Sats
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because I think in the right
environment, I think it can be a
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really positive thing for the
children.
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And they've got to learn to do
tests and things like that.
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And some children relish it.
But they're always going to be
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some children who struggle with
the idea of having to do tests a
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week, especially if they
struggle academically in
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general, Yeah.
And they're a bit like they're
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ability isn't quite there to
understand everything.
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It can be laborious and it's not
nice satin children.
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Free tests.
I don't like doing it.
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Never have.
I agree for those children in
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particular.
So at the end of the tests all
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week I was doing riddles with my
class.
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So I found riddles online.
Genuine riddles.
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And the kids are so good at
riddles.
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All teachers will know this kids
they were just half your class
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will know the answer to riddles
and stuff.
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It's just something they love
doing.
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So I'm going to give you some
riddles I found online just to
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see you know them.
They're very traditional.
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So play along at home.
You've had these rules before
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you probably gonna shout saying
yeah, obviously.
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So I've got four that I found
that the kids loved and a lot of
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them do.
OK then, I'm gonna read 2
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Riddles.
The kids afterwards, always.
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You get this at school, they put
the hand and say I've got a
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Riddle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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OK, I'm gonna read them after K
Ready.
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So first one, Susie's mum has
three kids.
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Snap, Crackle and Susie.
Yeah, good.
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Classic.
And a lot of them got that.
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They're like, yeah, Suzy and I
was like, all right then, no,
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we're gonna snap.
Crackle and pop even around
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anymore.
I put that up and actually none
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of them even have crackle and
pop.
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Yeah, they're like, oh, I don't
know, I don't know.
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But they a lot of them were
like, hmm, snap, crackle.
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And they were like, that's two
random words.
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One of them, one of them said,
Bob and I was like, close but
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not quite.
Next one.
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What this is, you know, this
one, What gets wet as it dries?
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A towel.
Yeah, good.
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A classic one.
What gets shorter when you add 2
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letters to it?
Short.
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Yes.
At ER becomes shorter.
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They were like a few of them had
their mind.
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Yeah, that's that's a good type
of like thinking.
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That one, like this one, I
thought was going to be a Riddle
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the kid had made-up.
So the kid told me this one,
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Yeah.
But it was actually really good
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and it had an actual answer.
And I was like, oh, I didn't
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know that.
So that's, you know, this one.
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What?
What stays stuck in the corner
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but travels the world?
A stamp?
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Yes.
Well, I've heard these.
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I've heard all four of those.
They're very common in the.
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Past.
But I hadn't heard the stamp
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one.
Yeah.
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Anyway, anyone who's a teacher
who work with children.
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No.
So you start introducing
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riddles.
Everyone wants to say a Riddle,
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whether they've got a Riddle or
not.
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So these are the kids came up
with.
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Ready.
OK.
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Gosh, we've just done the suzies
Mum one.
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Right.
And they were like, oh, OK,
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alright.
Can I do my Riddle?
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Yeah, sure.
Bob's dad had a son.
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What's his name?
What?
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Is it Bob?
No, it's John answering this.
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Always said Bob, like no John.
Right.
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OK.
Thanks kid.
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And one more.
This one just could be just
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complete nonsense.
I have a silver coin that's
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medium sized.
What is it?
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I don't know 20 piece.
Is it gonna be literally?
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Why is it 20P And she was like
because it's medium sized?
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And it's silver.
That's that's not a Riddle.
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But then someone else, yeah, but
it's got 7 sides and I was like
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true but also irrelevant.
Ohh wow.
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Just crap my.
Kids brains.
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I when I when I was an NQT.
I don't know if you remember
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this.
You know when you have way more
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time to do stupid stuff?
Like never have time to do this
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Now?
I had a little white board at
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the back of my room.
I remember this.
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Remember it was probably like a
three inside, maybe a bit
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bigger.
It's quite small and I just did
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Riddle of the day and every
morning I just googled just find
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another Riddle to write up and
then they just have a.
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Guess it, man.
I love that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, love it.
Like the kids.
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The kids were so, so, so
excited.
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And there was another one.
You know one more Riddle.
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Because this kid was obsessed
with this Riddle.
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OK, And again, it's another
actual Riddle and I didn't know
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the answer.
OK, alright, I don't know the
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answer.
This one.
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So there are five children.
Hmm.
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OK, one of them's playing chess,
Susie.
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One of them is playing chess.
Yeah, one of them is reading a
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book.
One of them has gone swimming.
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One of them is writing horse.
What's the fifth one day?
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Playing chess for the.
First, ohh you're Mr Riddle ohh.
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You've never heard that, by the
way, I did just work that.
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Ohh, you saying it?
Alright, well I've not heard
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that one.
I'm a genius.
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I'm very clever, Self declared.
Shall we move on to the back of
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the episode?
Yeah, let's do it.
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I'm.
Fighting 1:00 today.
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Yeah, it's really good.
We're gonna get our teeth into
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it.
A bit of controversy, but before
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we actually do that, we are
going to talk about the news of
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the week.
It's the news of the week's news
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of the week.
News news, news, news, news of
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the week.
Are you wondering what's
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happening in education?
Wonder no more.
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Because teaching repeat are
gonna talk to the nation street
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sugar.
And by nation, we mean all four
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of you.
Ohh, I still need to make a
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compilation.
Of you.
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Singing.
Random singing.
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Yeah, random singing and getting
words completely wrong.
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We won't see The Day of Light
again.
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Play jingo right before we crack
on Hayden.
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I'm gonna bring it up because it
really makes me laugh.
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Ohh, what?
What have you?
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No, not.
Surprising.
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Can you tell the listeners what
your retort is when I complain
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that you're a really loud eater?
I'm saying this, you just drank
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water.
My eardrums burst, right?
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So a bit of context for anyone.
Well, obviously I've shared
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dinner with Hayden quite a bit.
Our families get together.
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And now I've cooked you dinner.
Quite, yeah.
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Quite a lot.
And so he's cooked it.
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I I laid off for a bit.
He was cooking dinner.
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I was like, I can't be rude but
then I just want to eat.
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He's such a loud eater right.
He doesn't even, he doesn't even
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eat his mouth open.
So he's not being like he's not
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being rude, He just it's like a
condition.
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You can't help it.
So why are you so loud when you
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eat?
And I don't know what I
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expected, but listen to the
reason he gives.
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I have got really thin cheeks.
I do, I do.
382
00:15:22,390 --> 00:15:25,180
I really say, look, you know, if
you're looking on camera.
383
00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,400
What was really funny when I
first brought it up, he was so
384
00:15:28,410 --> 00:15:30,190
defensive.
Is like my Nan used to ask me
385
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,740
all the time, but I tell her I
didn't.
386
00:15:31,750 --> 00:15:33,560
Cheat.
You're bringing up some bad
387
00:15:33,570 --> 00:15:35,160
memories here.
We just get told off all the
388
00:15:35,170 --> 00:15:36,480
time.
Close your mouth when you're
389
00:15:36,490 --> 00:15:39,440
eating.
When that was closed.
390
00:15:39,450 --> 00:15:43,110
Anyway, ohh I see him.
As a Jingle spoke about before
391
00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,680
before we get our teeth into the
role of a teacher and you know
392
00:15:45,690 --> 00:15:47,160
where is the line.
I'm looking forward to trying to
393
00:15:47,170 --> 00:15:48,490
draw that line.
It's gonna be quite hard.
394
00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:50,100
A couple of things from
education this week.
395
00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:53,470
The news that I wanted to talk
about first thing, it really,
396
00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,420
really did peak my interest in
this one because the whole
397
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:57,400
episode about absence and the
absence crisis did.
398
00:15:57,410 --> 00:16:00,960
And we all accept that it's a
huge problem and it's it's been
399
00:16:00,970 --> 00:16:02,500
a big change since COVID
especially.
400
00:16:02,590 --> 00:16:04,850
And and the fact that came along
with this, I'll tell you first
401
00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:07,820
so we can judge what we think
about what's happening is that
402
00:16:07,870 --> 00:16:12,150
almost 1/4 of secondary school
children are missing 10% of
403
00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,520
school.
So almost one.
404
00:16:14,530 --> 00:16:16,580
If you one in four children, you
go to secondary school.
405
00:16:16,590 --> 00:16:18,880
Yeah.
I'm missing 10% of their school,
406
00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:19,830
is it.
What do you mean by that?
407
00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,480
Explain that as in in their
school life.
408
00:16:21,490 --> 00:16:22,340
Yeah.
Out of the.
409
00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:24,920
Out of one in every 10 days.
They're missing.
410
00:16:24,970 --> 00:16:26,350
Right.
As in just ongoing.
411
00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,570
That's not like percent in the
whole time at school.
412
00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:31,220
He missed 10%.
No, Like, they're missing 10%,
413
00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:32,800
let's just say this year
recently or something.
414
00:16:32,810 --> 00:16:36,200
But if you had to handpick a
child, one in four of them are
415
00:16:36,210 --> 00:16:39,670
missing currently ongoingly one
in 10 days of school, 10% of
416
00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:40,810
school.
It's huge.
417
00:16:40,820 --> 00:16:42,540
It's a big problem.
It's a huge problem.
418
00:16:42,590 --> 00:16:45,460
And we did a whole podcast about
what we can actually do to help
419
00:16:45,470 --> 00:16:46,500
it.
We talk about mental health.
420
00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:47,480
We talked about all these
things.
421
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:49,020
So the government have come
along.
422
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:50,970
They've gone OK.
That is unacceptable.
423
00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:51,610
You.
Get children.
424
00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:53,380
That's acceptable.
Elections come up soon, yeah.
425
00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,670
So what we're going to do?
We're going to up the fine from
426
00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,660
60 lbs to 80 lbs.
What do you think, Hayden?
427
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:04,380
Ohh my child still depressed
though.
428
00:17:04,420 --> 00:17:05,980
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
429
00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:07,180
Well, why?
Why are they off?
430
00:17:07,250 --> 00:17:09,540
And they're saying it's because
a lot of school holidays and my
431
00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:12,819
my instant thought is we've got
190 days in the school year.
432
00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:15,440
Yeah.
Right. 10% is 19 school days.
433
00:17:15,589 --> 00:17:16,609
Yeah.
Where do they?
434
00:17:16,619 --> 00:17:18,460
Think it's going on holiday for
four weeks?
435
00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:22,260
Yeah, it's not because if you're
missing 10% of your school, it's
436
00:17:22,270 --> 00:17:23,660
not because you're going on.
Holiday.
437
00:17:23,670 --> 00:17:26,240
And if they are, they do not
represent the wider.
438
00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:28,220
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
Maybe some people.
439
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:32,180
Are of course not many and and
even if they go away for a week
440
00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:34,900
or two they're still off for two
extra weeks in the year.
441
00:17:35,410 --> 00:17:39,120
You know what if they're ill,
you know what if you know they
442
00:17:39,130 --> 00:17:41,190
can't access We we've gone for.
I don't wanna go through it all
443
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,960
again go and listen to absence
crisis episode.
444
00:17:42,970 --> 00:17:46,070
But I saw that and I just
thought, that is pathetic.
445
00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,160
Well, that put me off now, isn't
it?
446
00:17:47,170 --> 00:17:48,920
But who cares about an 80?
Yeah exactly.
447
00:17:48,990 --> 00:17:51,040
So ohh OK I'm I'm taking my kid
on holiday.
448
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:53,600
It's £500 cheaper to go in the
half term.
449
00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:55,320
Hmm.
Ohh. £20 extra.
450
00:17:55,330 --> 00:17:57,280
Yeah, I know 20.
Won't do it.
451
00:17:57,550 --> 00:18:00,290
Won't do what?
I'm only saving £480.
452
00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:03,720
Ohh sucks.
I just think it's so short
453
00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:05,600
sighted and actually who's that
going to hurt the most?
454
00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,520
The people with money, no fines,
don't work as a.
455
00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:10,900
Deterrent For rich people, it's
analogy of tick boxing.
456
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:13,720
Yeah.
Or it's like we need to address
457
00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:15,040
this thing.
We need to show that we've done
458
00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:16,280
something.
What's the easiest thing we can
459
00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:18,100
do that we don't have to action
and no one cares about, but it
460
00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:20,610
looks like we've at least tried
to do.
461
00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:22,570
Something the Daily Mail.
The Daily Mail readers might be
462
00:18:22,580 --> 00:18:24,380
happy with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
463
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:26,870
Do finer.
More I should be in school
464
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,700
those.
Kids back in my day, I left
465
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:30,300
school and I didn't even do my
GCSE's.
466
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:32,590
Not still made something.
Yeah, and look at you now.
467
00:18:32,660 --> 00:18:36,220
And absolute idiot.
Anyway, so it just made me laugh
468
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:38,210
as well because they put up the
fines by 33%.
469
00:18:38,260 --> 00:18:40,530
It's like, could you put
everything else up by 30% off?
470
00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:43,410
Could you increase the funding?
And where's that money gonna go?
471
00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:45,060
Where is that money going?
Oh, I don't know.
472
00:18:45,070 --> 00:18:46,630
Anyway, I thought that was a
joke.
473
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,160
I thought, Gillian, we know you
listen.
474
00:18:49,470 --> 00:18:52,070
If you listen to the whole
absence episode of thought, put
475
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,970
the money up.
It's just so funny thinking
476
00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:56,440
about all the things we said
would be really cool to try and
477
00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:59,110
solve that.
Not once did we think more Fine.
478
00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,840
I'm pretty sure that was the one
that we were like that's the
479
00:19:00,850 --> 00:19:02,110
only deterrent doesn't really
work.
480
00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,620
At all, I know exactly.
So anyone that's got to fix the
481
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:06,330
problem.
We could fix our crisis of
482
00:19:06,340 --> 00:19:09,650
mental health of our youth, or
we could make the parents
483
00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:12,940
poorer.
What's going to be good for
484
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:14,240
society?
Anyway, much poorer?
485
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:16,200
No, just an insignificant
amount.
486
00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:19,060
Yeah, just just just going out
by 20 lbs.
487
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,940
Yeah.
Anyway the other thing in
488
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:22,970
education, I'm gonna throw this
over to you straight away
489
00:19:22,980 --> 00:19:25,720
because it's apparently again
we've not really been on social
490
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:28,160
media in education and stuff for
a long time but this is
491
00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:30,760
something that gets brought up
loads and loads and and it's
492
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,830
always in the newspapers and
like a cycle of news and stuff
493
00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:37,500
is about the holidays that we
get as a teacher and it's it is
494
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:39,420
kind of old school.
The fact we have a six week
495
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:43,090
summer holiday and the big thing
was what should happen from
496
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:43,590
this?
I don't know.
497
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,630
This group of people suggested
that we should actually have a
498
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:51,630
four week summer holiday add an
extra week between summer and
499
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,910
Christmas So that one week half
time is not to add an extra week
500
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,390
between Christmas and Easter.
That's another two now and
501
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,920
basically you have the same
amount of time off, but just
502
00:20:00,930 --> 00:20:03,590
short of some holiday and a
couple extra one weeks to two
503
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,690
weeks what?
Do you think I'm not?
504
00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:06,230
I'm not against it.
I'll be honest with you.
505
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,170
My gut feeling there wasn't my
summer holidays.
506
00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:10,550
I love it.
But also, I do hate those one
507
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,990
week half term breaks.
Yeah, they are just terrible.
508
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,690
It's a well known thing in
education for one week half term
509
00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:18,880
is is never enough to do really.
Yeah, it's not actually a break.
510
00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:20,070
Yeah.
And you always gotta do work.
511
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,610
Yeah, you know, you'd be very
lucky if you're.
512
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:23,290
Not whereas in a two week, I
always feel like I can
513
00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:24,990
completely switch off for at
least a week.
514
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,070
Yeah, yeah.
And then OK, that week's back.
515
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,190
Now Carl, catch up my.
Wife and four weeks to six
516
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,390
weeks.
I reckon I'd quite quickly
517
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,950
adjust.
Well, I'm still feeling like a
518
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,880
big chunk of time.
Off we did a whole episode about
519
00:20:34,890 --> 00:20:36,340
why teachers struggle with
summer holidays.
520
00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:37,940
A lot of teachers do, cause it's
so long.
521
00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:39,440
Yeah, yeah.
And actually a lot of your
522
00:20:39,450 --> 00:20:42,330
friends don't don't work in
education, are just working.
523
00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:44,360
Yeah, yeah.
I'd like to know what the impact
524
00:20:44,370 --> 00:20:46,000
it would have on kids as well.
I don't know.
525
00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:48,380
I don't know.
Is it is there some?
526
00:20:48,670 --> 00:20:51,900
The point is psychological study
around like having six weeks off
527
00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:54,560
is like a really ideal amount of
time to let learning and bed.
528
00:20:54,570 --> 00:20:56,900
I don't know, probably not.
I imagine four weeks wouldn't be
529
00:20:56,910 --> 00:20:58,520
a detriment.
It might be, but I think the
530
00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:00,360
other thing is as well.
You know what it's like when you
531
00:21:00,370 --> 00:21:02,710
go back in September and the
kids, my school, for six weeks?
532
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080
How hard it can be to like embed
routines again and stuff like
533
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:06,630
that.
The idea is there's just less
534
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,790
time for children to forget
stuff.
535
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,330
True.
I don't know.
536
00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:14,140
So I was wondering, if you had
to pick right now, what would be
537
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:16,190
your ideal situation for
holidays?
538
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,360
Would you keep it a six?
Would you drop one week?
539
00:21:18,370 --> 00:21:21,900
Would you drop 2 weeks?
Yeah, I'm gonna put you on the.
540
00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:26,490
Spot so tough go on because I do
know the six weeks, I do five
541
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:28,330
weeks.
Ohh, I'd just take one of them
542
00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:30,350
out of things I do, I do like it
being longer.
543
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:31,670
I'd put it in one of those weak
ones.
544
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,130
I think I'd do it in the
February 1.
545
00:21:33,220 --> 00:21:34,790
Would you?
Yeah, that's where I put that.
546
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,810
I think that's what we talked
about last week.
547
00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:40,310
That to me is like the peak time
of the year where you're really,
548
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,410
really just want to do with
holiday and you get the one week
549
00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:44,570
and it's like.
I'm going to back the full week
550
00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:45,970
one.
Yeah, I think.
551
00:21:46,020 --> 00:21:48,540
I think that's better.
And I think a lot of people are
552
00:21:48,550 --> 00:21:50,680
worried saying it just shortens
the time you can go on holiday
553
00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:53,990
and put their prices up more for
people who want to go away in
554
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,830
holidays.
Yeah, and I'm not saying that's
555
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,630
wrong, but I am saying that it's
already ridiculous.
556
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,580
Like that's a separate thing
that needs fixing.
557
00:22:00,590 --> 00:22:03,010
Yeah, we're talking solely about
kids education and stuff.
558
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:06,790
I think, I think four week,
summer, two weeks, because by
559
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,150
the end of Term 2, which is just
running up until Christmas, that
560
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,010
is honestly probably when I feel
my worst because you can really
561
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:15,350
recharge over Christmas.
And I think next week in the
562
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,630
middle, they're usually long
terms.
563
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,570
Then first too.
As well, I'm not against it.
564
00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:20,630
I'm not against it.
I quite like quite like those
565
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,120
ideas.
I wouldn't mind if it say it as
566
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:23,550
it is.
I'm just used to it, yeah.
567
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,630
But I'm definitely not against
that, because having a good
568
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,550
break in the middle of the year
a few times is so essential.
569
00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:31,240
To well-being, I agree.
Yeah, I've I've been trying to
570
00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:33,750
think of right to take the Mick
out for you as you rinse me so
571
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,050
badly with my my cheat.
Hard to think, isn't it?
572
00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:38,320
Yeah, and I thought some
earlier, I'm.
573
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:40,320
Excited to you right.
So this is with Stewart.
574
00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:42,890
You can tell he's been waiting
for.
575
00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:44,710
I think we've been doing actual
podcast here.
576
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,300
He's like, I can't finish his
podcast for.
577
00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:48,340
Him.
I don't know what the last two
578
00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:49,480
things are.
You've talked about.
579
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:51,690
I've just been thinking, right,
so earlier on we're in the car
580
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,580
and and you know how you take
the Mick out of me for getting
581
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:58,030
fewer and less wrong sometimes?
I don't take the making heart.
582
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,400
I mean, you're a teacher.
You should just know it.
583
00:22:59,410 --> 00:23:01,420
But yeah yeah and you were like
you said to me yesterday was ohh
584
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:04,040
I found your new fewer unless
it's it's still posting on
585
00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:06,220
Facebook with links because you
know it kills the post.
586
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:08,300
I was like alright, I found
yours.
587
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:11,580
I found your future.
Unless today ceiling and roof.
588
00:23:12,530 --> 00:23:14,060
Do you know the difference
between them?
589
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:18,940
Dylan is getting work done and
is in his new house and
590
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:21,940
consistently refers to the
ceiling of his, you know like
591
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:24,910
the first floor as his roof.
So he keeps on that roof works
592
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,780
he's having going on it and I'm
like what you talking about?
593
00:23:26,790 --> 00:23:28,900
Listen, ohh, the seat.
You don't want the ceiling, not
594
00:23:28,910 --> 00:23:30,460
the roof.
That the roof on your house.
595
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:32,500
The completely separate thing
that's outside.
596
00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:37,410
Look, look, look, look, look.
As a Northerner, alright, I like
597
00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:39,990
to think that there's lots of
things where we actually only
598
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,180
need one word for it, All right?
So Ruth just means thing on top
599
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:44,680
of him.
That's what it means.
600
00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:48,180
Bit down up bit.
Calm down please.
601
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:50,480
Ohh so rude to me.
Anything above your head.
602
00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:53,760
Hat, roof, hat.
Off I'm really comes the
603
00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:55,830
ceiling.
Umbrella, umbrella up, umbrella
604
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,560
becomes the roof.
If you're outside and it's
605
00:23:57,570 --> 00:24:02,620
raining, yeah, put the roof up.
All right, all right, this
606
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:05,120
backfired.
Yeah, you can't get.
607
00:24:05,130 --> 00:24:07,970
I will just I will justify and
argue anything.
608
00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:12,900
So fewer of that please and a
bit more of our discussion so
609
00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:14,800
we're gonna get right into it.
Now I'm going to sink our teeth
610
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:17,280
into it because what we like to
do, I don't know what you hated
611
00:24:17,290 --> 00:24:19,200
my favourite episodes in this
podcast is where we can just
612
00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:21,440
think of a subject that's been
in the news or something or
613
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:25,380
really get so goes interested
and we just talk about where our
614
00:24:25,390 --> 00:24:27,400
line is and I like trying to
draw an imaginary line.
615
00:24:27,410 --> 00:24:29,060
Somewhere.
I'm quite nervous about this
616
00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:30,300
one, by the way.
Yeah, because.
617
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:32,190
Is it because you don't know how
to say fewer?
618
00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:35,850
Yeah, if you were less than to
put my roof on, yeah.
619
00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:38,050
But I just think it's a it's a
very big topic and I'm
620
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:39,560
interested to see how we go.
I don't.
621
00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:41,340
I haven't got much many
preconceptions.
622
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:42,460
So those have been waiting to
know.
623
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:44,640
We are wondering today, how
should you eat your cream egg?
624
00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:46,120
Shouldn't.
I'm joking.
625
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:48,280
We are gonna talk about
something that my friend sent
626
00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:50,740
me, Actually James Brown.
We've mentioned him a lot.
627
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:54,450
What company does he have?
We're not doing it.
628
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:56,690
Well, We're not doing it.
We're not doing it, OK?
629
00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:58,720
He's a financial advisor.
He's a bloody good one.
630
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:03,490
Company you think he owns.
Anyway, whilst he's not
631
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:05,770
financially advising people,
he's sending me education tik
632
00:25:05,780 --> 00:25:07,080
toks.
He doesn't listen to the podcast
633
00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:09,570
and he interacts and stuff and
he just sent me this tick tock
634
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:11,400
in the group chat because he
found it interesting.
635
00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:15,240
He's got a daughter who is
entering school very soon and it
636
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:19,510
was ITV News and it said that
like leading statistic of this
637
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,710
survey of 1000 teachers and 1000
parents was that 50% of parents
638
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:29,050
do not think that it is solely
their job to potty train their
639
00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:32,280
child.
Half of parents who are asked
640
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:37,030
think that it's their job and
other people's EG the schools
641
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,350
when they end up going to
school.
642
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,450
And it got me thinking, firstly,
I thought that is unbelievable
643
00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:45,660
to me personally that that the
the idea that it's not only the
644
00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:48,090
parents responsibility to be
doing something like that is
645
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:49,390
crazy.
And it got me thinking though,
646
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,270
it is something that has, it's
always been there in schools
647
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:54,390
where schools go above and
beyond for that kind of home
648
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,000
life help for those children who
need it.
649
00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:58,330
Because at the end, let's be
real, it's not all children who
650
00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:00,510
need potty training when they go
there, it's a few children who
651
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,650
might need your help And it's
always what schools do, you
652
00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:04,170
always go above and beyond to
help them.
653
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,240
And it made me think of recently
Labour spoke about a policy if
654
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:11,210
they were to get into power
where, you know, brushing teeth
655
00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:13,260
would happen in school, children
went brushing their teeth,
656
00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:16,160
etcetera.
And it just made me think, Where
657
00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:17,240
is the line?
As a teacher?
658
00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:18,860
What is our job?
What?
659
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:23,220
Where does our job end?
Because on paper, of course, we
660
00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:24,520
never should be changing a
nappy.
661
00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:27,040
Of course we should not be
brushing the teeth of children.
662
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:30,020
Hmm.
But we do go above and beyond in
663
00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:32,960
that respect to look after kids.
We need to make them feel safe.
664
00:26:33,010 --> 00:26:35,100
Yeah, and I want to just throw
over to you straight away
665
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,740
thinking about toilet training,
thinking about brushing your
666
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:40,690
teeth and things like that.
What, what would you say is the
667
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,780
role of a teacher?
Do you think that it's
668
00:26:42,790 --> 00:26:46,770
acceptable for part of a
teacher's job to be training a
669
00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:48,130
child on how to go to the
toilet?
670
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:51,640
This is a really big question,
so I don't want to try and rush
671
00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:53,980
into like some small answer that
doesn't do any justice.
672
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:54,980
I think we need to break it
down.
673
00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:57,660
There's loads of layers to this.
First of all, can we just take
674
00:26:57,670 --> 00:27:01,040
it back one step to the ITV was
ITV, ITV News ITV thing.
675
00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,460
Like the whole 50% think it's
not solely their job.
676
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,520
I think that's a little bit
misleading because I'd like to
677
00:27:05,530 --> 00:27:07,680
know who they're talking about
then.
678
00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:09,690
Because OK, I'll throw it right
back at you, right.
679
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,140
This is where my brain went
straight away.
680
00:27:11,150 --> 00:27:12,840
It wasn't the teachers, it was
okay.
681
00:27:12,850 --> 00:27:16,840
Most kids go to nursery Your
toilet training your 1 1/2 two
682
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:22,620
year old just start doing it and
they're spending like 30 hours a
683
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:25,700
week at nursery.
I I don't think it's
684
00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:29,440
unreasonable to expect the
nursery staff to help me in this
685
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:31,680
job when they're looking after
my kid as much as I am.
686
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:33,720
Yeah, that's a good point
because the news report was
687
00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:35,720
specifically talking about
receptionist children.
688
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:37,160
Oh, OK, yeah, that makes.
It.
689
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:38,830
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
So they were specifically
690
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,680
talking about 4:00 to 5:00.
Year olds, so that does link it
691
00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:41,760
way.
More Yeah.
692
00:27:41,770 --> 00:27:43,280
All right.
So in schools.
693
00:27:43,290 --> 00:27:45,490
But again, when they're asked
though, could the parents have
694
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,140
been misconstrued in thinking in
general?
695
00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:50,400
But it was very much it was.
It was like the whole thing was
696
00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:53,440
framed as receptionist children
in infant schools.
697
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:56,430
Yeah.
OK, so it's to me it's like when
698
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,210
you strip back down to like the
job, then what?
699
00:27:58,220 --> 00:27:59,730
What?
What is?
700
00:27:59,740 --> 00:28:01,870
Firstly, what is the point of a
school?
701
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,590
Yeah, like really in society,
what is the point?
702
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,910
What is the purpose of a school?
What would you say?
703
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:11,050
I I think it's to train people
to be part of society, really.
704
00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:13,420
I think that's what the I think
that's what schools are supposed
705
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:15,690
to be doing.
We can have our opinions on
706
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:18,430
whether they're they're just for
academics, they're just to learn
707
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,170
knowledge.
They're just to learn how to
708
00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:22,090
read.
We could change it but I do
709
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,410
think the purpose of schools
from a really wide perspective
710
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,880
is show people how to be
civilised and and we can live in
711
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:32,930
this massive Society of millions
of apes running around.
712
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:34,850
Literally they're all getting on
with each other.
713
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,170
So when it goes lower down I'm
like yeah, should should the job
714
00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:40,650
spec change?
Probably.
715
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:42,690
Probably.
Like if you have got a bunch of
716
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:46,640
four year olds in a in a
reception classroom and like you
717
00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:48,910
know the proportion of them
compared to maybe a year six
718
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,370
classes.
Yeah, a lot more of them are
719
00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:52,640
still wetting themselves and
things are not quite trained
720
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:54,880
yet.
Would it be fair to have an
721
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:57,960
overall job spec for teachers?
It's like, no, we don't do that.
722
00:28:57,970 --> 00:28:59,800
We don't get involved.
It's like well in year six it
723
00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:01,640
might be because there's way
more like that.
724
00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:05,140
It's just more odd and more why,
though unreasonable, it's a bit
725
00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:06,830
more peculiar.
Know, safeguarding reasons and
726
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,180
things when children are 11
years.
727
00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:09,420
Old they've got when they're.
Options.
728
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:11,640
No, definitely.
But in the same way, like it's
729
00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:12,760
not.
It wouldn't be weird for me to
730
00:29:12,770 --> 00:29:15,000
change the nappy of my three
month old, but it might be
731
00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:17,060
strange for me if there was, you
know.
732
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:19,600
But as a teacher, do you not
think it's equally odd?
733
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:21,640
Not, not, not, not not.
Sorry.
734
00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:24,970
Let me let me paraphrase not
equally unexpected but equally
735
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:28,110
not actually part of your role.
Like changing the nappy of a
736
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,150
child is an unbelievable
minefield immediately
737
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,970
safeguarding wise.
Yeah.
738
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,420
You need two adults with you for
example.
739
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:36,680
Doing that you you would need
resources that go above and
740
00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:38,980
beyond what actually we've
spoken about for months.
741
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:41,790
We don't have enough to deliver
the curriculum never mind.
742
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,230
Now actually there are there are
infant schools where reception
743
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,610
classes who have to have two
people constantly on the lookout
744
00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:48,190
trying to change people's
nappies and stuff.
745
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,470
Yeah.
But that that's an expense you
746
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,730
don't necessarily have.
And it's, I know it's more like
747
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:56,670
it's more kind of let's say
expected that children of that
748
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,550
age might need help than it is
for year six.
749
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,980
But actually when it comes down
to it that that's an allocation
750
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:03,990
of a resource that isn't
currently embedded.
751
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:05,870
It's just something you have to
go above and beyond to do.
752
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,200
Yeah, so there's a problem.
I guess I'm going back now.
753
00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:10,650
I'm almost not.
In reality right now I'm
754
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:14,130
thinking of, in the perfect
world of of of a school doing
755
00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:16,890
its job to help people become
civilised citizens.
756
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,290
Should they probably be involved
with four year olds who spend
757
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,110
most of their week in that
establishment helping them do
758
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,510
those things?
They're not there.
759
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,870
Yet not weighing on the floor or
wearing pants of things if
760
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,800
they're not there yet.
I I think that should be part of
761
00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:32,000
the job spec to be honest with
you.
762
00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:34,240
If you go work in early years,
it's a very different job.
763
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:37,120
In the same way that it is more
tactile as well.
764
00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:41,520
It's very frowned upon for a
year five or six teacher or even
765
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:44,640
year 3 for whatever in general
really in in case age 2.
766
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:46,540
If, you know, if you were
hugging children things, I think
767
00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:48,400
some would have something to say
about it straight away like oh
768
00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:50,120
come on, that's, you know,
they're older now.
769
00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:52,760
But I think if you went to an
early years and there was a four
770
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:54,750
year old that just wanted that
they were crying and they just
771
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,840
wanted to sit on the lap.
One of the adults in the room
772
00:30:56,850 --> 00:31:00,060
because they were in, they were
mid doing like play what's it
773
00:31:00,070 --> 00:31:01,930
called?
Play led learning was called.
774
00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:04,870
Yeah I know it's just I think it
is different and I think we
775
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,270
should not pretend that it's not
different.
776
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,350
But maybe the systems we've
built for school do say Nope
777
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,000
there's one strict ruling across
schools and all teachers should
778
00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:16,790
be expected to to do this and
not this.
779
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,450
When really I think maybe early
as teachers, the job check specs
780
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:24,760
should be different.
So as as like let's say again
781
00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:27,840
let's put you in Gillian Keegan,
let's say you're you're you're
782
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:30,300
in charge of education and and
you're from the outside and you
783
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:32,780
notice that this is a problem
because clearly it's something
784
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,310
it's developing.
That's the whole part of the new
785
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,600
segment was more and more these
reception classes and infant
786
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:39,420
schools are seeing this is more
of a problem.
787
00:31:40,090 --> 00:31:43,300
How do you address it So it
needs addressing If someone
788
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:46,040
comes into school and wet
themselves constantly, clearly
789
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:48,490
that needs addressing and
helping and I don't think anyone
790
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,820
thinks that teachers shouldn't
help in that situation.
791
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:54,160
However, if we see it increasing
and there's an issue, where do
792
00:31:54,170 --> 00:31:56,530
you think the owners should be
on though?
793
00:31:56,540 --> 00:32:00,790
Do you think the owner should be
on uh the parents to try harder
794
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,090
before they get to school and
implementing help?
795
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,930
We can talk about funding and
stuff but whatever it is however
796
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:08,560
however the attention goes,
should it go to the parents
797
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:10,190
beforehand?
Because actually of course you
798
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,370
know you need to try and train
your children to be ready to go
799
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:16,170
to school Or should the owners
go on the school?
800
00:32:16,220 --> 00:32:17,630
Where where?
What would you do as trying to
801
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,430
solve this?
Problem both equally.
802
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,010
Genuinely, I think you should go
to the parents as first
803
00:32:22,020 --> 00:32:23,520
priority.
Yeah.
804
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:28,120
They're the highest priority,
but I still think it should have
805
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:31,490
equal.
I don't think the white.
806
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,810
Yeah, white I guess distributed
both because I think a a
807
00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:38,950
teacher's role, I am thinking
earlier on now like reception.
808
00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:41,860
I think a teacher's role should
be to support those other
809
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:43,470
families at that stage in their
life.
810
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:46,210
And there are going to be like
we think about absence, right.
811
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,050
There's only so many parents you
can you can say, hey you should
812
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:53,410
be controlling that.
OK you can keep yelling at those
813
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,090
parents for what you want.
And it's the same thing.
814
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:57,980
Maybe there are there are lots
of parents who potentially just
815
00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:00,610
don't know how to.
So I think, yes, the government
816
00:33:00,620 --> 00:33:03,270
should be trying to upskill
parents in their role and
817
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,170
putting more things in place.
But one of those things that can
818
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:08,230
be in place is let's upscale,
let's upskill the schools to
819
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,380
help them too, because that's
their local community.
820
00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:13,590
Like let's upskill the teachers
to put on a workshop in the
821
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,180
evening.
Well, I'm making this up.
822
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,850
This is probably no idea.
But do something where they're
823
00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:20,030
more trained as well in dealing
with it and they can also
824
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920
support the parents directly.
I don't.
825
00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:25,650
I'm not against that.
I think it's always interesting
826
00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:28,240
because when you when you talk
about this kind of stuff it's
827
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:31,800
very easy like with absence like
with you know being toilet
828
00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:35,870
trained it's very easy to then
be like no it should be yeah
829
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,490
like it's it's just very easy to
dismiss it and and kind of out
830
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,940
of hand say well you're you're
an you mean you don't get your
831
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:42,390
child ready.
Of course you should be ready
832
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,130
yeah.
OK, should is very different to
833
00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:46,460
the reality we're.
Living growing insults.
834
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:48,980
Yeah.
So the the fact is that they've
835
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:50,170
got to score and they're not.
Yeah.
836
00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:52,870
So you know, do we now want
children running around school
837
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,480
with wet, with wet pants and the
teachers being like, well, I
838
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:56,770
can't do it, I'm.
Sorry, it's not my job.
839
00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:58,790
It's the parents role.
It's OK, the parent isn't doing
840
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,330
it.
But if a teacher is genuinely
841
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:02,110
worried about, like, because
this is a really big
842
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,090
safeguarding issue, this this
isn't like wiping snot off a
843
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,790
child's nose, this this isn't
the same as, you know, they're a
844
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,480
bit grubby after like there's
there's wipe that we're talking
845
00:34:10,489 --> 00:34:14,090
about toilet training like this.
This is high, high, high stakes.
846
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,159
And teachers aren't explicitly
trained in this and they're kind
847
00:34:17,170 --> 00:34:19,920
of just doing out their own
well, I've got a funny story for
848
00:34:19,929 --> 00:34:21,920
when I was in school.
Come on, I was in year one.
849
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,449
Yeah.
I used to struggle to go for a
850
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:24,850
poo.
I was very constipated.
851
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:27,330
Used to like tummy used to.
Yeah, used to.
852
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:28,830
Yeah, not involved.
No grown out of that.
853
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,210
Yeah, it's the opposite of
anything.
854
00:34:30,219 --> 00:34:35,110
Now go to the toilet and went to
the toilet and I went for a poo.
855
00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:35,949
Yeah.
And I just.
856
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,630
I don't know.
I don't know why I was.
857
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,989
I was obviously, I knew how to
go to the toilet and stuff, but
858
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,170
I I felt like I couldn't wipe my
bum.
859
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,510
No, I don't know why.
I panicked and I was shouting.
860
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,889
I was like, yeah, miss, miss, I
don't know why.
861
00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:48,750
I've no idea.
What?
862
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,870
The memory had gone.
Down the toilet.
863
00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:53,870
Teaching assistant obviously
hired me.
864
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,520
Eventually I came to check on me
or something.
865
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:57,980
I I was there.
I'd just gone to the toilet.
866
00:34:58,030 --> 00:34:59,180
Yeah.
I needed my bum wiped.
867
00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:00,640
Yeah.
She wiped my bum, yeah.
868
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:02,880
And and obviously spoke to my
mum at the end of the day.
869
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:05,680
It's funny now, looking back,
yeah, but like, you know, her
870
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:09,880
doing that she needed, like,
what was she going to do in that
871
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:11,380
situation?
But she was just helping me.
872
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:12,860
Out.
That's a really good analogy to
873
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:15,130
maybe base a lot of this
argument off of.
874
00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:16,380
And that very specific thing
happened.
875
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:18,500
It does happen a lot, yeah.
What do we do then?
876
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,190
Because we could bring a blanket
rule.
877
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,380
People can have the option of
no, teachers shouldn't be doing
878
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:23,560
this.
I'm like, cool, But she's
879
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:25,590
compromised.
Herself there, she's she's in a
880
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,310
compromised.
Position.
881
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:26,730
Yeah.
Yeah.
882
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:28,920
So that that kind of needs
protection or teachers in this
883
00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:31,990
kind of backs backing myself up
a little bit more to be like
884
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,740
yeah I do think it should be a
role in society that people in
885
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:40,470
schools increasingly the lower
down go do have more power and
886
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,680
training it and and like the
legitimacy and doing that
887
00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:43,730
shouldn't be.
Yeah.
888
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,500
Here's the problem.
The problem lies in the system
889
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,210
that does exist does make it
awkward to do that sort of stuff
890
00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:50,110
in certain situations.
Which should be because at the
891
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,550
end of the day there are going
to be kids like you very
892
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,450
commonly in that situation where
it's like if the blanket rule
893
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:58,390
and everyone follows the rules
in this situation the blanket
894
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,490
rule is no you're not That's not
your role as the parents role.
895
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:02,550
OK bye kid.
You stay in the toilet until
896
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,690
your mum gets here and she's at
work so it's gonna take 4 hours.
897
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:06,310
Yeah.
Like really is that is that
898
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,550
that's obviously not going to
happen.
899
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,780
So maybe we need to foster a
culture and system where it is
900
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:12,530
part of the job role.
Hmm.
901
00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:13,690
Yeah.
Because at the moment a lot of
902
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,530
these things, it just goes back
to workload as well to me.
903
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,550
There's so many layers to this
argument, isn't there?
904
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,280
Yeah.
Of like also, it's really naive
905
00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:23,970
to just blindly say, ohh yeah,
teachers can do that as well.
906
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:25,780
Hang on a minute.
Because actually, my workload is
907
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:30,110
unreal and now you want me to
also be well trained in teaching
908
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,090
kids to brush their?
Teeth, yes, yeah.
909
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:34,460
I've got, I've got to fit that
in my day as well.
910
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:36,970
Now I've now got to finish my
lessons 10 minutes earlier so we
911
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:39,750
can all go and brush our teeth
like, OK, can the parents do
912
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,910
that?
And you can see this argument
913
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:43,170
back to Actually, no, I don't
think I should ever be doing it
914
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:45,200
done at school, because it's
such low stakes anyway.
915
00:36:45,210 --> 00:36:47,260
Yeah, that's not our kid stuck
in a toilet forever.
916
00:36:47,310 --> 00:36:49,500
Yeah, that is haven't.
That's shoelaces to me.
917
00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:52,270
But you've not learned to brush.
These levels isn't there cause
918
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,660
dental hygiene is very different
to tying up shoelaces.
919
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:56,490
That's.
Healthy, but it's very different
920
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:58,260
to be trapped in.
A completely sanitary,
921
00:36:58,270 --> 00:37:00,570
completely level in the moment.
So to me, like, that one is
922
00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:02,850
really, really important.
Brushing your teeth, I don't
923
00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:04,520
think should be involved.
Here's what I'm going to do
924
00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:06,690
then, because I'm going to go
through some things right now.
925
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:10,720
And I want you to try and tell
me right in an ideal world,
926
00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:12,590
should it be part of a teacher's
job?
927
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Now, where we've been spending
the last 10-15 minutes talking
928
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:18,120
about this is the real world.
We need to help children.
929
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:22,460
OK, So in an ideal world for
your run-of-the-mill child, hmm.
930
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,690
Should or should this or should
this not come under the remit of
931
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:27,730
us as teachers to teach children
how to do this?
932
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:29,600
OK, so I'm going to go through
various things.
933
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:32,790
You've got to try and just say
yes or no if you want to justify
934
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,510
it feel.
Free.
935
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,390
I'll do it briefly.
Yeah, yeah.
936
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,330
So first and foremost, in an
ideal world, should under
937
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:42,370
teachers job role it be to train
children to go to the toilet?
938
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,940
Yes.
Wow, do you think?
939
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:46,700
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I think so.
940
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:49,460
And again, I just, I just wanted
to clarify, Yeah, I don't think
941
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:52,010
that works in a blanket policy.
I don't think it works like
942
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:53,180
that.
But I think it should be built
943
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:55,650
into job descriptions, lower on
and be part of the job.
944
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:58,340
Because your social role as a
teacher is to help these people
945
00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:00,980
function in society and you
can't really function in society
946
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:03,820
if you can't go to the toilet,
be stranded, those kids, then it
947
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:05,780
just relies on people's goodwill
and they get into trouble.
948
00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:07,520
Safeguarding opens a whole can
of worms.
949
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:09,580
Put it in the job spec.
So in the same way, like if a
950
00:38:09,590 --> 00:38:12,560
child can already add, we're
still teach them to add if the
951
00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:13,720
child can already go to the
toilet.
952
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:15,220
Yeah, the crack on.
OK.
953
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:17,660
But if you can't, I'm not gonna
leave in the toilet.
954
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:19,600
OK, OK.
And I'm not gonna put myself at
955
00:38:19,610 --> 00:38:21,820
risk by not following the rules
because we've decided that only
956
00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:22,710
parents can do.
Interesting.
957
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,750
Very.
That's what I'm thinking next
958
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,790
one.
Brushing teeth No and yes.
959
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,550
He's gonna say no, yes.
You gotta say yes or no.
960
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,660
Is it part of the job?
Description Things to teach
961
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:31,450
them.
Yes.
962
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,720
I think it could be in there, in
the.
963
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:34,650
Because I'll teach, I'll teach.
A lesson on dental hygiene.
964
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:35,850
OK yeah.
At the science lesson.
965
00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:37,360
Yeah.
And we might brush our teeth in
966
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:39,530
that lesson one time to be like,
hey, that's part of our lesson
967
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:42,120
today.
Doing every single day.
968
00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:45,460
OK, so like an actual part of
the parenting role, which is to
969
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:47,420
brush up, Make sure your kid
brushes everyday.
970
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:48,520
Absolutely not.
Brilliant.
971
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:50,300
Yeah, that makes sense.
I think already, to be honest.
972
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:51,230
Brushing.
Teeth.
973
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:54,010
Like as a as an education thing
isn't a lot of schools anyway,
974
00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:56,900
so that's just part of science.
But actually brushing your teeth
975
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:59,190
is not something that we inform
the children how to do it
976
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,690
properly.
Yes, sure, doing it with them
977
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:03,240
every day.
So in case the parents aren't
978
00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:06,760
doing it, no, no.
Next one implementing basic
979
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:12,150
manners.
Um, teachers, maybe not so much,
980
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,210
but in the school setting,
Absolutely.
981
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:16,400
I think that's a solid yes.
Yeah, I think it's 100%.
982
00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:17,510
Yeah.
It's hard for me because I don't
983
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,690
really with the kids, but I
think the people, whoever the
984
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,890
kids, aren't eating unmanned all
I think it was doing.
985
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,810
That if a child in your class
was not showing basic manners,
986
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:27,490
would you stop them?
And like, I don't know.
987
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:29,910
I've just immediately got in my
head like eating like at the.
988
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,470
Table.
Oh no.
989
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Basically general basic manners.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
990
00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:36,860
Yeah, but for me, it's like, do
we want functioning members of
991
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:37,670
society?
Yeah.
992
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:39,770
Do you not think to brush your
teeth to be a function mention
993
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:41,620
member of society?
No, not really.
994
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:43,360
Really.
I think.
995
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:44,440
Yeah.
OK.
996
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:46,820
No, you might.
You might be ostracised.
997
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:48,020
I think you don't.
And it's been weird.
998
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:51,480
A bit, but you got no friends.
Table manners.
999
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:53,580
Very specifically in the lunch
hall.
1000
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:57,220
You know how to hold a knife and
fork, how to eat properly, how
1001
00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:01,180
to wait for your turn, how to
not shout across the table talk
1002
00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:03,300
when you're eating.
Those table manners?
1003
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:04,840
Is it?
Is it our job as teachers to
1004
00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:07,230
implement?
Um, Yep.
1005
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,490
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so, Yeah.
1006
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:09,360
OK.
It's really hard with
1007
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:10,520
questioning.
Like, to implement it.
1008
00:40:10,530 --> 00:40:13,830
I'm like, oh, that's a bit odd.
But to be a part of it,
1009
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,690
Definitely.
Yeah.
1010
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:16,060
So you should expect that from
the children.
1011
00:40:16,070 --> 00:40:16,930
Yeah.
Not doing it, you're.
1012
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:18,430
Teaching.
I think everything so far.
1013
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,150
I'd expect there to be a
relationship between school and
1014
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,930
parent, not not isolated like
schools.
1015
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:26,190
It's now your responsibility.
If parents want to join in, they
1016
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,410
can.
It's the other way around.
1017
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:29,210
It's parents.
It's your responsibility to do
1018
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:30,870
these things.
But just so you know, your local
1019
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,130
community network, which is your
child's school, will support you
1020
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:36,430
in this way and this way.
If your child is really stuck,
1021
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,570
they will help and they will,
you know, wipe their bum.
1022
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,570
Here you go, sign this form so
you understand that the that
1023
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:42,950
that they can do that, there's
no one must.
1024
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,220
They don't now feel like they're
risking their entire job, their
1025
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:47,310
career, because they've wiped
your kids when they shouldn't be
1026
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,230
doing it.
Yeah, same with eating at at
1027
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,200
lunchtime in our school.
This is the expectations.
1028
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:53,990
If your child is not doing it,
we will help them.
1029
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,150
We will show them how to use a
knife.
1030
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,950
And do you think I'm going to
stop the list for a second then?
1031
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,090
Because I I'd be really
uncomfortable with that.
1032
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:01,030
I I wouldn't want to do that.
We do what?
1033
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:03,890
Like do anything to do with
toilet training with a child.
1034
00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:06,740
Yeah, I don't know.
So yeah, but even if I moved
1035
00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:09,060
there, I'd be like, you know, do
you think it's acceptable for a
1036
00:41:09,070 --> 00:41:10,630
teacher to, like, kind of opt
out of it?
1037
00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:13,990
Because I I would.
I would.
1038
00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:16,520
I would not do it.
Right now I guess because I'm
1039
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:17,990
like, well, I.
Actually trained to be a
1040
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,330
teacher.
Hmm.
1041
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,230
You know, And I'm a specialist
in teaching certain subjects and
1042
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,280
I can do this really well, Yeah,
I'm not, I'm not potty training.
1043
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:29,650
Yeah, definitely.
In the current system where it's
1044
00:41:29,660 --> 00:41:32,170
legitimate for you to be able to
go from year six to reception,
1045
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,540
if you worked on through school,
your head teacher could
1046
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:37,190
legitimately say that.
In that situation where it's
1047
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,110
kind of out of your control and
you never would have chosen that
1048
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,690
job, I think you should be able
to opt out.
1049
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:43,160
But in in a in a new kind of
system that I'm sort of making
1050
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:46,410
up where people very
specifically know what they get
1051
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:48,570
into when they go into that job
and that's the job they apply
1052
00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:49,990
for and you can't just be moved
into it.
1053
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,070
So interesting then I think yeah
because it's just a different
1054
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,840
job.
It's like saying to me I think
1055
00:41:53,850 --> 00:41:57,130
it's mental by the way that that
someone you know who's trained
1056
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:58,770
and maybe spent their time in
key stage two.
1057
00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:01,550
I actually think it's mad that
they could be drafted into
1058
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,690
reception in this because to me
it's the same as saying oh you
1059
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:06,830
know that nursery across the
road that's part of our Academy.
1060
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,090
You've got to go and work there
now.
1061
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:10,590
I mean year six teacher yeah.
But you're a teacher and we need
1062
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,710
a teacher in the nursery.
Every nursery needs a trained
1063
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,260
teacher.
So different to go.
1064
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:15,960
I'd be like, whoa, whoa, this is
not.
1065
00:42:15,970 --> 00:42:18,290
Yeah, you know, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't feel comfortable
1066
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:19,720
doing that.
OK, next one.
1067
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:21,720
Explicitly using a knife and
fork.
1068
00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:24,080
I mean like they use them, but
it's just bad.
1069
00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:26,400
Is it our role to teach them how
to hold it properly and do it?
1070
00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:29,020
Same answer as before.
But do you think, No.
1071
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:31,420
But I'm gonna be really clear.
Do you think it's our actual
1072
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:33,300
role to teach children how to do
it properly?
1073
00:42:33,350 --> 00:42:34,980
No.
OK, I think it's the parents
1074
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:37,480
role to teach them.
If they're doing it wrong, it's
1075
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:39,740
it's not a job.
It's not our job.
1076
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:41,710
I don't know.
It's tough because they're doing
1077
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:42,250
it.
Wrong.
1078
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:43,870
You're down the middle.
I'm being very clear.
1079
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,640
I'm really, I'm really part of
our job to teach them to hold a
1080
00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:48,860
knife differently.
They don't.
1081
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:51,380
Quite spec rather than just that
of good.
1082
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:57,410
Should it be our job?
Yeah, I don't think.
1083
00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:58,890
I don't know.
I'm just so on the side of,
1084
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,190
like, social schooling.
Yeah.
1085
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,250
No.
Nothing against that.
1086
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:03,790
But I just.
I think if a child holding a
1087
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,350
fork wrong and I don't tell them
how to do it, I shouldn't be
1088
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,190
reprimanded because it's part of
your job.
1089
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,910
Like if I didn't teach a child
how to do columns column method
1090
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,100
properly in maths, yeah, but
what are you doing for this part
1091
00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:18,170
of the curriculum to teach them?
If I don't teach a child to hold
1092
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:21,340
a fork differently, I absolutely
should not be reprimanded for
1093
00:43:21,350 --> 00:43:22,270
that.
That's not part of my.
1094
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,840
Job.
I think it could be in a job.
1095
00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:25,310
Wow.
I just think the current
1096
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,950
system's broken for it like it
was jump.
1097
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,190
It was added in right now.
You're adding in a lot for
1098
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,130
workloads right now.
Yeah, like like to to be judged
1099
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:33,740
on them, like, well, if you're
not doing that, you're not doing
1100
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:35,120
your job.
That's what you're saying?
1101
00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:38,780
Yeah, I think it could be an
educational role.
1102
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:41,940
Maybe not specifically teachers.
No, I'm talking my teachers.
1103
00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:44,940
I'm, I'm, I'm kind of grey in
these areas here.
1104
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:48,060
Yeah, I'm talking about, is it a
teacher's job in the same way
1105
00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:51,360
it's my job to teach a child the
wives of Henry the Eighth?
1106
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:54,680
Is it a teacher's job to teach a
kid how to use another?
1107
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:56,770
Change my mind then, with a
better explanation of what I'm
1108
00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:59,420
thinking.
No, it's not a teacher's job,
1109
00:43:59,490 --> 00:44:02,380
but I do think it should be the
role of someone in the school.
1110
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:04,580
Wow.
I think there should be a family
1111
00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:08,560
liaison officer in every school
or someone who is already doing
1112
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:10,600
enough, who has all OK, another
person.
1113
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:13,060
Then again, this all comes with
funding, imaginary funding.
1114
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,960
Someone's role should be just
pure family support.
1115
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:20,600
And it should be highlighting
those kids who are not advancing
1116
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,580
socially in the correct way
because they haven't got proper
1117
00:44:23,590 --> 00:44:24,500
manners.
And you help them.
1118
00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:26,590
You help the families they have.
They can't hold the knife and
1119
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,500
fork.
You help them.
1120
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:29,480
You send a little letter home
with them saying we've helped
1121
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:31,100
your kid.
Hold on the second properly.
1122
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:33,400
I don't think so, no.
Where's the line?
1123
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:35,580
It's interesting to keep going,
keep going.
1124
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:40,160
Nice blowing the children like
they got snotty nose.
1125
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,450
Is it your job to make sure they
have to buy the nose or do you
1126
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:45,470
just let them do what they?
Wanna do that was so low stakes.
1127
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,370
No, no, I don't think that's
the.
1128
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:48,750
Teachers role.
Why is that different to using
1129
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,790
an effort?
I just think you could show a
1130
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,130
kid, just get that tissue there
and just wipe it there without
1131
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:57,330
me getting involved.
OK, but it's not, is it?
1132
00:44:57,340 --> 00:44:59,000
Is it your job though?
What's to tell them?
1133
00:44:59,010 --> 00:45:01,570
To show I'm talking to the same
as I've got to deliver the
1134
00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:04,000
curriculum, is it my job to make
sure everyone my class computer?
1135
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:05,900
Knows it's such a weird.
No, it's not.
1136
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:07,820
OK good, but I'd expect everyone
to do it.
1137
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:08,940
I'm so weird.
I don't know.
1138
00:45:09,020 --> 00:45:11,470
You're gonna.
I think a lot of this people do
1139
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,010
out their own back.
But I think it's it's like we're
1140
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:15,650
expecting schools to pick up a
lot more here.
1141
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:18,840
And I don't know, let's go to
this one.
1142
00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:20,520
This is really interesting.
It happens a lot.
1143
00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:22,950
I want to get your teeth into
this because I don't know what I
1144
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,650
think and I wanna know what you
think.
1145
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:27,780
Financial literacy.
So should it be on the
1146
00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:29,960
curriculum?
You see this with why didn't
1147
00:45:29,970 --> 00:45:32,110
they teach us how to do our
taxes in school?
1148
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,970
Why?
Why?
1149
00:45:33,010 --> 00:45:36,250
Why do they tell us how to
return a a form and do our P60?
1150
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:37,590
Ohh, what?
What's all this stuff?
1151
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:40,800
Do you think that should be part
of a job?
1152
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:43,420
I am so passionate about that
one.
1153
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:46,080
Yes, absolutely.
In primary school primary.
1154
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:46,930
School.
I'm asking.
1155
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,760
Primary school, no, but
secondary school, yeah.
1156
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:54,740
Secondary school like 100%.
I think it's mental that we go.
1157
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:58,780
They go through so much maths
and English, that's all.
1158
00:45:58,870 --> 00:46:00,550
All do it in context, it's
better, you know.
1159
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,110
The best context is for maths is
the stuff they do in real life,
1160
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,670
and we just teach them a bit
about that.
1161
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,980
And it's not even it can be
quite interesting when you
1162
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:09,490
actually teach.
It probably.
1163
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:11,740
Do you remember when you first
learned how tax works properly?
1164
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:14,340
Yeah, I was.
My mind was blown that there is
1165
00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:18,140
a whole chunk of money you earn
that is never ever taxed.
1166
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,740
So like the 1st 12 1/2 grand.
I think it is right now.
1167
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:22,980
Yeah.
Is never taxed because it it
1168
00:46:22,990 --> 00:46:26,030
kind of feeds into this like
almost like resentment of taxing
1169
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,460
people like a more.
Because I remember I used to
1170
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:32,420
think so if I earned 50 grand,
40% of that is taxed.
1171
00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:33,930
Yeah.
What that what?
1172
00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:36,300
And if I earned 30 grand, 20% is
tax.
1173
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:38,860
I'll end up I earn more if I get
30 grand.
1174
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,870
These bloody people working less
and get more.
1175
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,020
That's not how it works
remotely.
1176
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:45,600
I've spoke to so many people in
my life genuinely who have
1177
00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:46,720
adults.
Adult always.
1178
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:48,980
Adults, in fact, who have
genuinely, genuinely not
1179
00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:50,920
understood dark bands and how
they work and how they're
1180
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:53,800
cumulative and not, you know.
Because you you only get taxed
1181
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:56,190
40% on what you earn.
Over.
1182
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,860
Exactly.
Someone said to me once, it's
1183
00:46:57,870 --> 00:47:00,960
something along the lines of I'm
not going for this job, Yes.
1184
00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:05,400
Role or not going for this like
increase in pay because it puts
1185
00:47:05,410 --> 00:47:08,500
me into the next band and
therefore I'll earn less money.
1186
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:10,600
And I believe, I don't
understand any other time I was
1187
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:12,320
like 18, I was like, oh, is that
how it works?
1188
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:13,700
Yeah, you go away and learn
about it.
1189
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:18,310
And so yeah, I do think that in
secondary school part of the
1190
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,920
national curriculum should be a
unit, whether it's in maths or
1191
00:47:21,930 --> 00:47:24,430
English or separate things.
Business studies or General
1192
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,940
studies?
General studies, whatever it is
1193
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:28,490
that all kids have to do, Yeah,
I think there should be a bit on
1194
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,610
just the basics, don't have to
be complex.
1195
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:32,200
It's just this is the basics of
society.
1196
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:36,210
How how we've been, we spent 15
years training you to be part of
1197
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:40,450
this society and we're not going
to tell you the one guaranteed
1198
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:43,210
bit that affects basically or
literally every single person.
1199
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:45,930
It just seems stupid to me.
A lot of people.
1200
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:47,290
I love that.
I love the arguments.
1201
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:50,200
Have you ever heard people's
like justifications for why the
1202
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:51,740
government did it?
Like conspiracies?
1203
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:52,980
Ohh.
To keep him in that place.
1204
00:47:52,990 --> 00:47:54,540
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we don't want to educate
1205
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:55,930
the people.
Because they can rise up.
1206
00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:58,770
I don't think I join.
My biggest fear of conspiracy
1207
00:47:58,780 --> 00:48:00,990
theories is you're given the
government too much credit.
1208
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:02,930
They they can barely talk to
each other.
1209
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:05,320
Like, I'm listening to Rory
Stewart's book at the minute,
1210
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:07,450
who was a Conservative, like
minister and worked in
1211
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:12,250
government since, like I think
2005 or 2010 maybe for the
1212
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:14,410
Conservative Party.
And he just talked about it and
1213
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:16,750
it's a complete mess.
And it's like, OK, there is
1214
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,800
absolutely no chance that
there's this underlying
1215
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:20,690
conspiracy.
They're just hapless and
1216
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,220
terrible and literally just on a
whim like trying to take.
1217
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:25,780
Power.
Hence the the WhatsApp group,
1218
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:28,360
WhatsApp messages that came out
with Boris and all that.
1219
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:29,480
So I want to send it back to you
now.
1220
00:48:29,490 --> 00:48:31,500
You questioned me a lot and I'm
still processing.
1221
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:33,760
By the way, if you listen to
this podcast and maybe you have
1222
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:35,180
disagreed with you things,
don't.
1223
00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:37,280
Don't.
Don't think I'm that set on my
1224
00:48:37,290 --> 00:48:39,680
opinions because things will
change as I think about it more.
1225
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:42,710
You're being very I don't anyone
could disagree with what you're
1226
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,380
saying in terms of it's very
nice, it's lovely what you're
1227
00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:47,640
saying.
I just don't know how realistic
1228
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:49,130
I want to be judged on this
stuff.
1229
00:48:49,140 --> 00:48:51,890
Yeah, I guess so.
I guess the way I see it is I
1230
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:54,150
don't think the current system
is doing what schools are
1231
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,400
supposed to do properly.
I think we've got way too, way
1232
00:48:56,410 --> 00:48:59,600
too focused on academic.
It's only about academics, and I
1233
00:48:59,610 --> 00:49:04,020
think the job role should be
more open to more things.
1234
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:07,540
But there's no room for it now.
So it doesn't work now because
1235
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:10,980
we've filled all that job role.
We've filled 110%.
1236
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:13,000
Of coming a bit, mate the
framings along these people.
1237
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:16,380
We filled.
I'm leaning back more. 110% of
1238
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:19,500
the job was already filled now
with teach kids this knowledge.
1239
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:21,960
So it's like, so right now I
think it's completely
1240
00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:24,680
unreasonable any of those things
to be in a in a teachers jobs
1241
00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:27,320
back.
But I do hate the idea therefore
1242
00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:29,720
that if every single person
followed the rules to the tee
1243
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:32,960
that there are just kids going
home, Not because I'm not
1244
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:35,160
learning it from home and then
therefore they're not learning
1245
00:49:35,170 --> 00:49:37,420
it at all because we are like
they're only other like social
1246
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:39,060
point of contact.
I hate that.
1247
00:49:39,070 --> 00:49:41,580
I think that that just makes me
feel sad, so mad.
1248
00:49:41,590 --> 00:49:43,700
Imagine just being a dinner hall
and there's like some year sixes
1249
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:45,560
and they've all, they've all
known how to use knife and fork
1250
00:49:45,570 --> 00:49:47,190
since they were about four years
old.
1251
00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:49,360
And then there's just that one
kid who can't do it at all.
1252
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:51,700
And every teacher is like, don't
say anything because it's not
1253
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:54,550
our job role, and they just go
home and continue to not be
1254
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,260
taught how to do it for whatever
reason.
1255
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:57,720
I just hate that.
I'm like, there should be a
1256
00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:59,760
system in place, Yeah, Whether
it's me and you, yeah.
1257
00:49:59,770 --> 00:50:02,640
Or whether it's better funding
to have other staff in the
1258
00:50:02,650 --> 00:50:04,980
school whose job role is that
thing.
1259
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:07,900
I'd be much more open to that.
I think where it needs to be
1260
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:12,280
attacked properly from the
outside and not just another
1261
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:14,560
thing tagged on to our job.
I think that's what all teachers
1262
00:50:14,570 --> 00:50:16,400
are fed up on.
They are fed teacher fed up.
1263
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:18,900
Now if Labour come in and say
you got brushed teeth in school
1264
00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:21,900
and that's like basically all
they say, I I would honestly
1265
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:26,470
turn around and be like shut up,
go are you you're an idiot like
1266
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,490
you you need to come to this.
I'm not against any of this
1267
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:31,790
because what's number one reason
we're teaching is to help kids
1268
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,090
and this helps kids a lot, all
of this stuff.
1269
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,830
So I'm completely for it.
What I'm just fed up with is how
1270
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,590
easily they think that they can
just say ohh schools are the
1271
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,810
schools are doing.
With what system?
1272
00:50:43,820 --> 00:50:46,170
Yeah, what are you talking?
About So it's funny, I'm just
1273
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:48,480
going to circle all the
background and I do actually
1274
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:50,190
want to hear more about your
opinions on those particular
1275
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,910
things perhaps, or your wider
opinion.
1276
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:56,530
So I think my my widest level,
my overall opinion here is I
1277
00:50:56,540 --> 00:51:01,270
don't actually think teachers,
so Mr like classroom teachers,
1278
00:51:01,420 --> 00:51:05,080
should be doing any of those
things that should not be in the
1279
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:08,270
job spec of teachers.
But I do think the system should
1280
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,110
change to allow for somebody
within school to have like an
1281
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,370
actual proper responsibility.
Their actual job role is to do
1282
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:19,760
those things.
I just don't think right now the
1283
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:21,650
reason I kept saying yes because
I'm like, I don't know who's
1284
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:23,510
going to do it and I don't.
Want these kids out?
1285
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:25,360
Yeah, I don't think it really
should be teachers.
1286
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:27,810
I think a teachers role should
be here's the national
1287
00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:30,320
curriculum teacher.
That's it.
1288
00:51:30,370 --> 00:51:31,680
Leave politics out of the
classroom.
1289
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:34,020
Leave your opinions on on
authors and books out the
1290
00:51:34,030 --> 00:51:35,760
classroom.
We talked before maybe to an
1291
00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:38,830
extent leave your opinion on on
their home life out of the
1292
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,300
classroom.
Your job is to teach them.
1293
00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:42,140
We've got this set of staff over
here.
1294
00:51:42,250 --> 00:51:45,220
These care workers that work in
your school, they will chase up,
1295
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:49,110
you know, the the social side of
being a citizen and they will
1296
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,590
make sure that kid is toilet
trained and and that that kid
1297
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,760
can brush their teeth properly.
Yeah, I don't know.
1298
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,370
Yeah, no, I think.
I think I'm.
1299
00:51:56,380 --> 00:52:00,090
I'm a bit of a hypocrite because
I look, I just look at this and
1300
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:01,290
I think it's added to our job
spec.
1301
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:02,870
I would be really, really
annoyed.
1302
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,670
I'd be really annoyed.
However, I do see our job as
1303
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,110
much more than just delivering
our curriculum and I and I
1304
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,450
practise what you practise that.
I practise what every teacher I
1305
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:13,190
know practises.
This because actually we're also
1306
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,970
essentially for anyone who
doesn't know.
1307
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:17,890
In education as teachers we are
also essentially the
1308
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:20,520
safeguarding each our own class
we're we're in charge of you
1309
00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:23,520
know safeguarding and providing
children with the things that in
1310
00:52:23,530 --> 00:52:27,150
on their plan that they need.
That's not teaching a curriculum
1311
00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:30,690
that's helping a child with what
they need legally via a legal
1312
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:34,570
document to access things and it
does lead back to learning I
1313
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:36,310
suppose.
But that's got a lot of social
1314
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,550
stuff on there.
I've I've had ieps before which
1315
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,450
are planned for anyone of our
education healthcare plan where
1316
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:44,230
one chunk of it has been social
development.
1317
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,950
It's been you know playground
games that are structured with
1318
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,570
other children.
That's that's not about teaching
1319
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:51,250
a child how to multiply
fractions together.
1320
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:54,010
That's about helping a child
actually hold a conversation
1321
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:54,500
with an.
Adult.
1322
00:52:54,510 --> 00:52:55,830
And do you think that should be
part of your role?
1323
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,420
Then that's a plan for you as a
teacher to be accountable to.
1324
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:59,780
Yeah, I'm.
I'm OK with that.
1325
00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:01,840
I'm OK with that.
Do I think that funding is
1326
00:53:01,850 --> 00:53:04,320
absolutely broken And I think
we're expected to do too much.
1327
00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:08,560
But for me, a legal document
when a child in my care, if it's
1328
00:53:08,570 --> 00:53:10,840
been you know signed off by
professionals and it's what this
1329
00:53:10,850 --> 00:53:12,840
child needs to access a
curriculum.
1330
00:53:12,930 --> 00:53:16,480
Absolutely part of my role is to
is to give that to the child
1331
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:18,130
because I'm in charge of their
learning.
1332
00:53:18,140 --> 00:53:21,980
That's my role as a teacher.
And again I, I, I think it's a
1333
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:25,470
really great line where where
this goes to because you know,
1334
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:26,990
do I, you know.
OK.
1335
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,150
So we would never ever accept
that.
1336
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:31,300
You know let's, let's go to
morality for a minute.
1337
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:33,470
Let's have a little chat about
morality, OK.
1338
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,470
Because I am always, I never
ever know where the line is as a
1339
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,510
teacher.
Yeah.
1340
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,760
Teaching other children, other
people's children about morality
1341
00:53:43,390 --> 00:53:46,450
because.
Because for me, as someone who's
1342
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:49,750
not religious, morality is
something that we kind of just
1343
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,700
agree upon as a group of people.
And the morality of a certain
1344
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:55,120
group of people, let's say, in
Britain, might be very different
1345
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:57,010
to the morality of a group of
people in a different country
1346
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,020
just because of their
backgrounds, their social life
1347
00:53:59,030 --> 00:54:01,940
like religion and years and
years, years religion, but years
1348
00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:04,100
and years of culture as well.
They just have a different
1349
00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:06,520
morality where, you know you
might live in Japan where it's
1350
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:09,290
completely normal and it would
be completely immoral to shift
1351
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:11,740
your elderly relatives to an old
person's home.
1352
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:12,250
Yeah.
No.
1353
00:54:12,260 --> 00:54:13,520
They live with you forever.
Of course.
1354
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:14,520
You live in the family.
Yeah.
1355
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:17,000
That that person that is, that
is that's terrible.
1356
00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:19,010
I that would be immoral to send
your.
1357
00:54:19,110 --> 00:54:21,380
And here it's very normal and
it's not.
1358
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:22,720
You wouldn't call someone
immoral.
1359
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:25,720
You might think it.
But as a society, we don't look
1360
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:27,970
down on that necessarily.
We think that's part of the way
1361
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:28,620
that we do.
Things.
1362
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:30,590
Cult morality, it's all says
that's OK.
1363
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,730
Yeah.
So my point is cultural morality
1364
00:54:32,740 --> 00:54:35,250
is different.
And I think there's scope that
1365
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,810
someone in a society, as a
teacher, I might have a very
1366
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:41,310
different set of moral beliefs.
And I almost certainly will,
1367
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,550
actually.
To every single adult of the
1368
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,020
children in my room.
Yeah.
1369
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:47,320
So I've got 33 different sets of
moral compasses.
1370
00:54:47,330 --> 00:54:48,680
Yeah.
There's certain stuff we all
1371
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:50,110
agree upon.
Like, you know, thou shall not
1372
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,000
murder when we're teaching like
the stuff like that.
1373
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:53,890
You know, the commandments are
being nice to each other.
1374
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:55,910
No one's ever gonna argue with
that stuff.
1375
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:58,730
But where is the line?
Because just because we say no
1376
00:54:58,740 --> 00:55:02,740
one's gonna argue with it, OK,
so do I Now say to people, for
1377
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:06,340
example, it's really important
that you vote in the election
1378
00:55:06,350 --> 00:55:07,330
if.
Do I say that to kids?
1379
00:55:07,340 --> 00:55:07,660
Yeah.
Yeah.
1380
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:09,070
Is it really important that you
vote?
1381
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,160
It was not just.
Immoral.
1382
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:12,480
It's a moral if you don't vote.
Yeah, you should vote, cause
1383
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:14,400
people have fought for that.
So you should vote Should you?
1384
00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:15,620
Ever say that to a child?
Yeah.
1385
00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:16,280
No.
No, I don't.
1386
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:17,320
Think so, but this is what I
mean.
1387
00:55:17,330 --> 00:55:18,440
But.
But should you ever say to a
1388
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:20,140
child anything then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1389
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Where is the line?
It does just go back to it.
1390
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:22,780
Yeah.
It's the line, isn't it?
1391
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:23,960
Goes back to Should you be
changed?
1392
00:55:23,970 --> 00:55:25,950
Should be wiping the bum.
Yeah, exactly.
1393
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,760
Most people really say no, but
you might do it.
1394
00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:31,930
If they need it, I mean like
there are lines here it's I'm
1395
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:33,030
really.
Uncomfortable with him.
1396
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,210
He's a really, really hard one.
Then a genuine hard one.
1397
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:37,910
OK, a child in your in the
school is being racist.
1398
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,390
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
Where it's like OK culture,
1399
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,680
morality would generally agree
that.
1400
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:43,090
That's, yeah, we have, we have.
To come.
1401
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:46,170
That's not bad, OK, but it is.
It is pushing that line up again
1402
00:55:46,180 --> 00:55:47,450
for away from education though,
isn't it?
1403
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:49,910
Like, actually, this is
something that we think you.
1404
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,150
Know it's like it's pushing away
from traditional education
1405
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:55,410
because I'd argue that if you
know you're having a racist
1406
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:58,170
incident with with a child in
your school you're still
1407
00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:01,110
educating them that to be part
of a part of this society.
1408
00:56:01,210 --> 00:56:03,460
This is completely unacceptable.
Yeah.
1409
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:06,990
And you need to be re educated
in terms of why that's wrong.
1410
00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:08,510
I completely understand what you
mean.
1411
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,420
Yeah, because because you know
what and and again there are
1412
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:15,380
lines here where you know for
you, you might think someone's
1413
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:18,000
behaviour is completely
unacceptable, but there might be
1414
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:20,640
a line where it's like well OK,
it's wrong, but it's not
1415
00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:23,170
something where it's that
serious where where's the line
1416
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:25,690
where we step in and say you
need reeducating Because then
1417
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,560
it's the whole thing of like a
system re educating a child
1418
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:31,200
based on something that the
parents might disagree with.
1419
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:34,340
Someone else might have a give
it much more severity.
1420
00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:36,100
Yeah, completely, completely and
actually.
1421
00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:37,790
Racism.
Racism is a bad example for
1422
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,330
that.
Cause generally everyone we know
1423
00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:40,080
the line.
Reason.
1424
00:56:40,090 --> 00:56:42,480
But there are probably other
things, yeah, but like someone
1425
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:44,480
might say, well, that was really
bad and other and other people
1426
00:56:44,490 --> 00:56:46,580
might be like, I mean, it was a
bit bad, but there's a lot.
1427
00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:48,120
Of worse things.
OK, let's look at it this way
1428
00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:51,120
right.
If a teacher during the strikes
1429
00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:55,870
explain to their class I was on
strike last week because I think
1430
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,040
that the way the government have
handled the.
1431
00:56:58,290 --> 00:57:00,180
I think, you know, the
government haven't offered us
1432
00:57:00,190 --> 00:57:02,300
enough for pay rise.
In my opinion, yeah, that's why
1433
00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:04,040
I was on strike.
I think it's unacceptable.
1434
00:57:04,110 --> 00:57:05,430
Hmm.
Is that OK?
1435
00:57:06,850 --> 00:57:09,020
Probably not.
I probably not.
1436
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:12,290
But we're striking because we're
we're striking though they know
1437
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:12,880
we're.
Striking.
1438
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:13,780
No, no.
I guess.
1439
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:16,400
I think on an objective level in
terms of if they literally say
1440
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:20,830
why were you off and you give a
very, very uninventive answer,
1441
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,060
right?
Not one that's per thought
1442
00:57:22,070 --> 00:57:24,010
massively thought provoking or
ends with a big question about
1443
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:25,380
what they think that's OK to
just.
1444
00:57:25,390 --> 00:57:27,590
Tell they turn around and say,
well, my dad said that because
1445
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,290
you're lazy.
Then I think you have to brush
1446
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:32,860
it off.
I don't have to be OK yeah.
1447
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:35,610
And and if you then go into Ohh,
he's wrong.
1448
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:37,120
It's wrong.
You open up this whole thing
1449
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:40,180
again of morality I guess.
And the blurring this line
1450
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:42,630
teaching.
I think we've established that
1451
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:47,430
teaching is a very weird job in
terms of yeah, it is surrounded
1452
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,440
by a big blurred.
Line.
1453
00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:50,240
It's not a postman who delivers
letters.
1454
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:53,290
There is almost no part of the
job other than teach the
1455
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:54,940
curriculum that is written or
not.
1456
00:57:55,090 --> 00:57:58,290
That is just like a solid line
of like, if you do this, it's
1457
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,500
completely wrong all the time.
If you do this, it's completely
1458
00:58:00,510 --> 00:58:02,230
right all the time.
There's not many areas other
1459
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,650
than the curriculum.
OK, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna try
1460
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:07,460
and ram this off now, OK, before
we go to our little game at the
1461
00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:09,060
end and you got something to say
afterwards, you can say
1462
00:58:09,070 --> 00:58:10,620
obviously this is the last thing
I want to talk about.
1463
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:14,470
We're gonna come round full
circle to that. 50% of parents
1464
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,950
think it's not just their job.
Yeah.
1465
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,910
We've talked about schools
should have something in place
1466
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,140
to help people who've almost
fallen through the net.
1467
00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:24,690
However, going back to that, 50%
of people think it's not just
1468
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,080
their job.
Do you agree or disagree with
1469
00:58:27,090 --> 00:58:30,630
that statement in that?
Should parents still think it is
1470
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,270
their job to do it, but if they
failed to do it by the time it
1471
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,930
goes to school there's a safety
net?
1472
00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:38,150
Or do you think it's acceptable
for a parent to say it's not
1473
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,050
just my job?
Ohh well I'm not going to try it
1474
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:42,030
wherever because when they get
there they've not done it.
1475
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,530
I know the school have something
in place.
1476
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:46,890
Two very different things.
Do you think a parent's attitude
1477
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,410
before they go to school should
be?
1478
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:51,780
I'm gonna try really hard and
get my kid potty trained before
1479
00:58:51,790 --> 00:58:53,380
they go to school because it is
my job.
1480
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:55,530
Or do you think it's acceptable
for them to say it'll happen
1481
00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:56,700
when it happens in school?
Help me out.
1482
00:58:57,910 --> 00:59:00,720
Ohh God, that's such a leading
question I think.
1483
00:59:00,770 --> 00:59:05,020
I think it is acceptable for for
a parent to say it's not solely
1484
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:07,940
my job to do these things.
I think that's acceptable, but
1485
00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:10,450
it was quite the way you worded
it was sort of like 2 binaries
1486
00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:13,200
and.
Either it's OK for a parent to
1487
00:59:13,210 --> 00:59:17,100
think that the school help it's
not just my job, or a parent
1488
00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:20,400
should think it is my job.
I know I might not succeed and I
1489
00:59:20,410 --> 00:59:22,960
know there's a backup, but I
know this is my.
1490
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:24,420
Job.
I mean, when I think that, yeah.
1491
00:59:24,430 --> 00:59:27,240
So I think it's acceptable for a
parent to say it's not solely my
1492
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:29,260
job.
It's primarily my job and IT and
1493
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:31,920
IT and I'm going to try my
hardest to get these things
1494
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:34,900
done.
But it's not solely and only my
1495
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:36,630
job to do that.
I think.
1496
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,420
I think that's OK.
I think people take the Mick out
1497
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:40,370
systems in any way.
I think we've talked about
1498
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:43,480
before about benefits and things
like should we get rid of
1499
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:46,940
benefits because some people
take the Mick even though most
1500
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:50,010
people get no should be should
we make it so that you know you
1501
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:52,530
you lose your job as a teacher
if you help them brush their
1502
00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:55,460
teeth ever once or you don't
leave them stranded somewhere
1503
00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:58,420
because some people then some
parents then won't even bother
1504
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:59,590
doing it.
They'll just leave it for the
1505
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,980
schools like.
OK some people will, but I bet
1506
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:04,310
there's probably a bigger
proportion of parents who tried
1507
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,480
to do it, who try to do it
really, really like really try
1508
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:08,170
to do it, but they don't.
But they just doesn't quite
1509
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:09,540
succeed and they just want your
help.
1510
01:00:09,550 --> 01:00:12,080
As the as the second point of
call there's no funding or
1511
01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:13,770
things in place to help them in
the society.
1512
01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:15,380
That exactly.
Well I wrote down you know, one
1513
01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:17,520
one note before we started doing
this is something I wanted to
1514
01:00:17,530 --> 01:00:19,690
bring up and I guess it's
relevant now, which is that I
1515
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:22,740
think parental roles have
changed massively over over the
1516
01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:24,580
over the decades.
Over the centuries, whatever.
1517
01:00:24,590 --> 01:00:26,400
Sure.
Because the very traditional
1518
01:00:26,410 --> 01:00:28,750
family set up in the in when our
parents grew up and our
1519
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,810
grandparents grew up, was 11.
Parent works and one parent
1520
01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:32,850
stays at home.
Yeah.
1521
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,150
Or quite often, one parent works
and one and the other parent
1522
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,510
does it like a more like a part
time.
1523
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,610
Job whilst the kids are at
school.
1524
01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:39,420
Whilst the kids at school or
just something where it's
1525
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:41,770
easier, bit more flexible, and
that that was enough income
1526
01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:44,670
generally to get by.
Obviously some of the poorer
1527
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,810
households would still have to
work two jobs all the way back
1528
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:51,110
down to all of history, but it
was more normal for that
1529
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,390
situation to have happened with
one parent working right.
1530
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:57,070
So it does free up a lot of time
and right now I don't, I don't
1531
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,600
think it's normal for that to
happen.
1532
01:00:58,610 --> 01:01:00,850
I think it's normal that both
parents are worked.
1533
01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:03,010
They're working like 40 hours a
week.
1534
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:06,310
Yeah.
And therefore by definition just
1535
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,240
have less time and maybe less
patience even.
1536
01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:11,800
I just think about the knock on
impact that would have on you
1537
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:13,890
mentally.
I just think it's, I'm not
1538
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:17,990
surprised that parents more than
ever need support with these
1539
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,890
basic things that we that that
our grandparents generation will
1540
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:23,460
be saying ohh, do it at home.
It's like, yeah, because you are
1541
01:01:23,470 --> 01:01:26,250
at home seven days a week.
One of you.
1542
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,420
Always do that thing parents
like they might see see our
1543
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:31,450
garden.
It's a bit messy all you need to
1544
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:34,280
get that sorted.
So so you you come in your
1545
01:01:34,290 --> 01:01:38,020
garden everyday for three hours.
Look I'm working like no and it
1546
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:39,660
and it.
Yeah, I I completely understand
1547
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:40,930
what you mean.
Here's a good one, right?
1548
01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:44,210
So let's imagine the situation
you've got one parent goes to
1549
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:46,580
work 9:00 to 5:00, the other
parent stays at home looking
1550
01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:48,970
after the kid, whilst the one
parents at work, the parent
1551
01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:51,690
that's at home has now got this
freed up time that people in our
1552
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:55,330
generation wouldn't have to do
all of the home training stuff
1553
01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:56,820
right?
Teaching your kids to do stuff.
1554
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:59,360
Now Fast forward.
You're saying that person hey,
1555
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:05,450
you now also have to work 9 till
5:00 and then ohh OK when am I?
1556
01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:07,450
When am I going to train them?
Well, you still gotta get it
1557
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:09,960
done.
Well, I guess that's when like,
1558
01:02:09,970 --> 01:02:13,840
you know, I, you know, preschool
and and nursery and stuff, I
1559
01:02:13,850 --> 01:02:15,530
think.
I think that is part of their
1560
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:16,010
job.
Yeah.
1561
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:17,300
So I agree.
It's like where do they go,
1562
01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:19,770
where they, you know, when I was
training them to go to the
1563
01:02:19,780 --> 01:02:22,630
toilet properly in nine to five
every every day and now in that
1564
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,770
time there somewhere else, can
that somewhere else do that
1565
01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:26,510
thing that I was?
Doing.
1566
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,240
I think they should.
By the way, I'm, I think by the
1567
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:29,910
time I get to Infant School
different.
1568
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,730
But yeah, I agree.
And it really winds me up when
1569
01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:34,150
people just say I've heard this
a lot.
1570
01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:36,740
But if you can't, what do you
not want?
1571
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:39,840
Kids in our society, because
there we've got to work two
1572
01:02:39,850 --> 01:02:41,940
incomes to just afford to live a
lot of the time.
1573
01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:44,000
I really hate hindsight
arguments like what you on.
1574
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:45,880
About what a ridiculous Yeah,
but are.
1575
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:49,060
You a character, don't.
If anyone's argument is, well,
1576
01:02:49,070 --> 01:02:52,660
don't have kids, I'm like, OK,
like, again, for some people,
1577
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:55,920
maybe you could say that and be
like, OK, well, whatever.
1578
01:02:55,930 --> 01:02:58,980
Maybe they're not quite, you
know, suitable in certain ways
1579
01:02:58,990 --> 01:03:01,940
because of very specific things.
But the vast majority of people
1580
01:03:02,030 --> 01:03:03,690
who have children are more than
capable of doing it.
1581
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:06,790
But they live in a society where
it's not valued whatsoever.
1582
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,820
Childcare is not valued as work.
It's just, well, yeah, you're
1583
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:12,850
gonna lose a thousands of pounds
if you want the luxury of having
1584
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:14,170
your kid in nursery, right?
Yeah.
1585
01:03:14,180 --> 01:03:16,950
So one of you is working, and
that's just to send your kids to
1586
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,570
nursery.
So you might as well not like
1587
01:03:18,610 --> 01:03:21,120
it's completely broken.
I really hate those arguments,
1588
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:22,270
by the way.
Absolutely hate.
1589
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,940
Anything that's like, well, if
you didn't want to do this thing
1590
01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:28,040
in the future that you couldn't
do until you experienced it,
1591
01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:29,510
then don't start it in the 1st
place.
1592
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,760
What are you talking about if
you didn't want to pass?
1593
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:33,940
Your driving no doesn't work.
You don't wanna.
1594
01:03:34,350 --> 01:03:36,610
You didn't wanna take your
driving test.
1595
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:38,080
You shouldn't have started
learning to drive.
1596
01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:39,560
I don't.
I'm trying to think at the end
1597
01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:41,360
where we'll get there guys.
One next week.
1598
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:44,100
You think about it.
This is great.
1599
01:03:44,110 --> 01:03:45,960
This is why people listen to
this podcast.
1600
01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:47,360
I don't know.
I don't know what you're on
1601
01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:49,040
about.
We can always wrap up there,
1602
01:03:49,050 --> 01:03:51,590
though, and then we can do a
little Jingle, have a little
1603
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,130
thing, and then we'll play a
quick game, little thing.
1604
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:54,320
I'll come back with that
analogy.
1605
01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:55,860
I can't wait.
For Wait for it, guys.
1606
01:03:55,870 --> 01:03:58,620
We got a quick game.
Coming up, Stick around because
1607
01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:00,500
it's going to be fun.
Yeah.
1608
01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:03,600
Hi, guys.
We're back.
1609
01:04:03,610 --> 01:04:05,770
Hayden's got a list because he's
got a little game he's gonna
1610
01:04:05,780 --> 01:04:07,330
play with me.
He always backs himself with
1611
01:04:07,340 --> 01:04:08,860
spelling.
So something to his spelling.
1612
01:04:08,910 --> 01:04:11,780
Yeah, I'm a pretty good speller.
And you're pretty good smeller.
1613
01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:17,770
Hey, because you stink doing.
Yeah, you wear that every week.
1614
01:04:17,780 --> 01:04:20,250
So if you watch and it's covered
in Baby Sick, real.
1615
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,750
Yeah, so I've got.
You don't work in your five to
1616
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:23,970
six.
No, you haven't done rages.
1617
01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:26,010
You wrote in your five before.
You've never been in your six?
1618
01:04:26,020 --> 01:04:27,480
No, I did some training in year
six.
1619
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:29,250
I like to say I like.
To say I've been in year 6.
1620
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:33,910
Alright, -60 and so I've got
five of the year 5-6 national
1621
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,910
curriculum words.
So what on earth is this for?
1622
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,210
Anyone listening for those that
listening?
1623
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:40,260
Maybe not even in education.
It's just mental, isn't it?
1624
01:04:40,270 --> 01:04:43,510
So the the national part of the
national curriculum is obviously
1625
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:44,710
spelling.
We need to teach kids how to
1626
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,340
spell, and generally we do that
through spelling.
1627
01:04:46,410 --> 01:04:48,640
It was like, this is how you
make this, how you add Ed to
1628
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:51,030
words when you know, knowing all
the rules and stuff.
1629
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,350
But also there's this list of
year three and four National
1630
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,570
Spelling National Curriculum
Spelling words and year five and
1631
01:04:56,580 --> 01:04:58,010
six National Curriculum Spelling
words.
1632
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,970
I don't have any words on each
list is like 100 words,
1633
01:04:59,980 --> 01:05:05,910
something like about 100 words.
No idea why those 100 words out
1634
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,060
of the 300,000 odd words we have
in our language, you know, pick.
1635
01:05:09,070 --> 01:05:10,410
Do you know what?
I know two of them, though.
1636
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:11,650
On the year 5-6.
Go on.
1637
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,490
Government and parliament, Yeah,
Yeah, Government and Parliament
1638
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,350
for these Who?
Chose this list.
1639
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,450
Yeah, people often.
Take the Mick because.
1640
01:05:18,460 --> 01:05:19,970
Yacht is also on there.
Yacht.
1641
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:21,970
Yacht.
Yacht what?
1642
01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:23,970
Who needs to spell yacht?
Yeah.
1643
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:27,340
Next up it would be Wildlife
Reserve Park, not Zoo Wing and
1644
01:05:27,350 --> 01:05:30,660
Wildlife Park Reservation.
The most middle class things
1645
01:05:30,670 --> 01:05:32,530
you'll ever see.
They need to put Finest on
1646
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:33,810
there.
Yeah, God, honest.
1647
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,710
People say it was very Go, a Go
thing to do.
1648
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,870
Same whole Roman numerals.
Yeah, all that came in with Go.
1649
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,690
Anyway, so I've picked, I've
picked 5 words from this OK,
1650
01:05:44,780 --> 01:05:47,750
really arbitrary random list
that for some reason kids have
1651
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,770
to imperatively have to learn
these 100 words.
1652
01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:52,780
But you know, yeah, not the
other 5 billion zillion I found
1653
01:05:52,790 --> 01:05:54,530
really interesting.
Before you do this is anyone is
1654
01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:57,190
listening thinking OK?
So you know in the Sats when you
1655
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,650
do a test for spelling because
it's a spelling test, 20
1656
01:05:59,660 --> 01:06:01,890
questions, part of the spelling,
punctuation and grammar.
1657
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,610
OK, well, you've got a list, so
And you've got some rules.
1658
01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:06,800
You teach them.
So obviously all of the words
1659
01:06:06,810 --> 01:06:08,870
that can come up in the spelling
test will either be from the
1660
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,970
rules you taught or from this
list of words.
1661
01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:11,870
Yeah.
No, not really.
1662
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:13,820
No.
Mostly rules, spending rules,
1663
01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:16,470
probably half of them.
But yeah, we've experienced the
1664
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,020
Sats.
I'd say there's normally like 3
1665
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:20,520
or 4 words from this list.
So what's the remaining 6 words
1666
01:06:20,530 --> 01:06:23,720
then on the test, there's just
other random, really random
1667
01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:24,380
words.
Guys.
1668
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:26,560
Yeah, just equally arbitrary and
hard.
1669
01:06:26,570 --> 01:06:28,820
They just don't happen to be on
this list of 100 words.
1670
01:06:28,830 --> 01:06:31,400
They're so important.
Could be any word ever could
1671
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:33,140
just come up on this list.
So why is that?
1672
01:06:33,150 --> 01:06:35,830
Why is the point in that?
Honestly, because it's because
1673
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,180
I'm like, I don't want there.
Not to be any list at all.
1674
01:06:38,190 --> 01:06:40,960
I want this to be learning words
and how to spell sure, but why?
1675
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:44,350
I don't understand why this many
and why those words yeah.
1676
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,570
And then why do we not just use
them words when we?
1677
01:06:46,580 --> 01:06:47,350
Test them.
Yeah.
1678
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,350
Why do we then just go ohh,
we've made this this.
1679
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,650
But for more than we use on the
list, we're gonna use completely
1680
01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:53,910
random words.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1681
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,410
What we How is that measuring?
Our teaching.
1682
01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:59,650
Well, the kids, I'm gonna
measure your learning, so. 5
1683
01:06:59,660 --> 01:07:01,150
words.
Yeah, these are 5 words I will
1684
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,690
just say play along at home and
I want to tell them out of the
1685
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:06,050
five, message us a number one to
five.
1686
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,450
If you got this Finder Podcast,
just put a number one to five in
1687
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:11,400
our Teach Sleep Repeat Podcast
Instagram.
1688
01:07:11,410 --> 01:07:13,370
That's our handle.
And then we'll know what you're
1689
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:15,020
talking about.
What did you get?
1690
01:07:15,090 --> 01:07:16,390
These are 5 words.
I know kids.
1691
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,020
Get wrong at the time.
OK, so I've tried to pick the
1692
01:07:18,030 --> 01:07:19,750
tricky ones.
I I I put my head on the line
1693
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,640
here because neck.
Head on the line.
1694
01:07:21,740 --> 01:07:23,900
Arm on the line.
Put my body on the line here, my
1695
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:26,560
head on the left.
Because I'm not I'm I'm spending
1696
01:07:26,570 --> 01:07:28,720
my weakest thing.
Do you think you could speller?
1697
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:30,280
Not when it's.
Like those?
1698
01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:33,030
Really annoying.
Words of SC and I'm confident
1699
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:38,120
you'll get 5.
We'll give it a go. #112 Know
1700
01:07:38,130 --> 01:07:39,510
this because we made a little
clue.
1701
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:41,710
The elf came 12th.
Ohh there you go.
1702
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:49,170
So the spelling is TW, ELF TH
correct good number.
1703
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:55,080
One correct number, two
convenience convenience like.
1704
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,490
A convenience store.
Could you use it in a sentence,
1705
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:00,390
please?
OK, there's a convenience store.
1706
01:08:02,130 --> 01:08:08,340
Can I have the?
Word origin, Don VIENCE.
1707
01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:11,730
What did they say that says
convenience.
1708
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:19,770
Spell the word convenience.
Go.
1709
01:08:19,779 --> 01:08:20,689
Here we go again.
Right?
1710
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,970
Convenience.
Just CONV.
1711
01:08:22,979 --> 01:08:26,050
EN i.e.
NC That's correct.
1712
01:08:26,060 --> 01:08:27,890
You missed out the E in the
middle, the 1st.
1713
01:08:27,899 --> 01:08:30,830
Time you went conference.
There's a convenience store.
1714
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:32,689
Convenience.
Correct.
1715
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:37,279
Yeah, I'll give you that.
Because I do think you just
1716
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:40,500
skipped it, but you got it
wrong.
1717
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:42,200
And one or two.
Yeah.
1718
01:08:42,210 --> 01:08:42,890
One or two?
One.
1719
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:44,100
Two.
Number three.
1720
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:56,920
OK, RE esports 8AE EE this is
what we did. #3 is committee
1721
01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:59,510
committee.
Oh, I know this one.
1722
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,490
Because I again, best thing to
do is spellings is to make clues
1723
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:05,910
for these arbitrary words.
And this one I told my kids when
1724
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,330
I taught them how to spell
committee that there were three
1725
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:11,670
pairs of people in this
committee because there's three
1726
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,050
pairs of letters in their
consonants.
1727
01:09:13,060 --> 01:09:17,060
So it's COMITE.
Yeah.
1728
01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:19,279
I've done 3 doubles.
Kids love.
1729
01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:21,729
That I always think of three
pairs of letters.
1730
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:23,130
Sat around the table at a
committee meeting.
1731
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:25,380
Also very another classic but
Parliament government.
1732
01:09:25,390 --> 01:09:26,880
Is committed to what?
What?
1733
01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:28,240
What do we need our 10 year olds
to be?
1734
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:30,439
Able to spell, Hmm.
Committee meetings.
1735
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:32,340
Stephanie.
Unbelievable.
1736
01:09:32,529 --> 01:09:33,620
This one describes the
government.
1737
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:37,010
I'm glad it's very quickly. 12
Hilarious as well 12. 12 Like
1738
01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:39,520
what?
I think that's just because it's
1739
01:09:39,529 --> 01:09:42,279
such a weird, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, but this one is.
1740
01:09:42,290 --> 01:09:44,279
Appropriate for the.
Government's disastrous,
1741
01:09:44,370 --> 01:09:47,180
Disastrous.
So this one.
1742
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:49,850
Is not.
You think of disaster, but it's
1743
01:09:49,859 --> 01:09:51,760
not ER at the end, it just goes
into trust.
1744
01:09:51,770 --> 01:09:58,500
So DIS ASTROUS, correct?
Yeah, Yeah.
1745
01:09:58,510 --> 01:10:00,900
Kids always put disaster.
As the root word disaster.
1746
01:10:00,910 --> 01:10:02,720
And they've learned to put us on
the end, which is why it's on
1747
01:10:02,730 --> 01:10:04,010
the list.
That's a good word that makes
1748
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:05,620
sense.
I'm like, ohh it's but it's a
1749
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:07,980
it's a really common word that
you're using like writing even
1750
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:10,220
like 12.
You're right and like 40.
1751
01:10:10,270 --> 01:10:13,680
Yeah, 40 is on the list and.
Like that is a good.
1752
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:18,180
One to teach children because a
lot of adults think 4 is he
1753
01:10:18,190 --> 01:10:20,580
doesn't have the you and that's
just while weird.
1754
01:10:20,590 --> 01:10:22,450
That's a good thing.
It's kind of common word.
1755
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:25,580
Yeah, right.
Next one. 40 My last one, I did
1756
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:27,090
look at it.
I nearly did #5.
1757
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:29,290
So you're on three out of four,
3 1/2 out of four.
1758
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:31,850
You finally got it.
Privilege.
1759
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,310
Oh, oh, this is just.
Quick thing, they're actually
1760
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,750
because we give away.
Privilege, privilege, privilege
1761
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:40,670
like the privileges.
Committee in the House of
1762
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:46,040
Parliament.
Honest to God, Privilege PRIV.
1763
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:48,870
And this, this, this, this is
what I mean when I get all the
1764
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:49,670
valves.
Mixed up.
1765
01:10:49,680 --> 01:11:04,190
Privilege PRIVI L BG Correct.
I really thought I was.
1766
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:04,920
Gonna get that.
Wrong.
1767
01:11:04,930 --> 01:11:07,170
So fun fact like that that word
I put.
1768
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:09,330
On there because it was.
It was special to me because I
1769
01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:12,350
spelt that wrong.
I'm not joking until about my
1770
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,590
sixth year of teaching and I
suddenly realised, you know, you
1771
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,650
just overlooked something.
I suddenly realised I was
1772
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:19,780
putting ad in it.
Privilege ledge at the end
1773
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:21,540
privilege.
And I suddenly one day I was
1774
01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:24,040
like, Oh my God, I thought was
wrong.
1775
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:26,210
I don't know Google.
It hasn't got it hasn't got a D
1776
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:27,870
in it.
You spelling it wrong all these
1777
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:28,810
years.
I haven't thought it.
1778
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:31,050
Don't mind one is that I fell
into the trap.
1779
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:33,930
Until, until I was a teacher.
And then when I was a teacher,
1780
01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:37,740
you know, it's like 5050 and you
teach yourself really, really,
1781
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:39,280
really well.
But it's definitely that one.
1782
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:40,510
And you've taught yourself
wrong.
1783
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,460
So you always, no, no, wait, I
get this wrong.
1784
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:43,790
I get this wrong.
So it's the other one and you
1785
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,010
get it wrong.
Still, that's definitely,
1786
01:11:46,020 --> 01:11:48,580
definitely yes, every single
time.
1787
01:11:48,650 --> 01:11:51,040
The only way I ever learned how
to spell definitely was to think
1788
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:53,540
of finite.
And then I knew I knew it was.
1789
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:55,840
That's how I spell it.
But beforehand, I was
1790
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:57,160
definitely.
I was 18.
1791
01:11:57,170 --> 01:11:59,200
Most people are there.
Yeah, you see that everywhere I
1792
01:11:59,210 --> 01:12:00,480
see that.
I see that spelling mistake.
1793
01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:03,300
Only way it was I had to go.
OK, finitely.
1794
01:12:03,310 --> 01:12:05,430
Wasn't that the word in that?
What's that programme?
1795
01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:07,510
Oh my God.
Line of duty.
1796
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,810
Line of duty.
Oh my
1797
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:25,840
Friends.
Friends.
1798
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:27,870
That's a different.
Episode, guys.
1799
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,810
I thought I really enjoyed that.
I still don't know where I stand
1800
01:12:30,820 --> 01:12:32,520
on that kind of stuff.
So the best kind of podcast
1801
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,550
suppose, really.
Do just waste an hour and 15 of
1802
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,260
your time?
No, there's no Then that's not
1803
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:38,210
right.
We.
1804
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:39,890
Know where I stand.
I think I was quite clear.
1805
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:42,850
I gave a point, right?
OK, so I was very, very clear
1806
01:12:42,860 --> 01:12:45,330
with what I think schools should
be doing and the role should be.
1807
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:50,820
You need to give me a clear, a
clear, definitive answer if it's
1808
01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:53,050
going to be part of a teacher.
And we'll see you next week.
1809
01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:56,490
If it's gonna be part of
teachers job, it needs to be
1810
01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:58,510
well.
Funded, well trained and
1811
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,010
teachers need to be comfortable
doing it I think with something
1812
01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:03,810
that is drawing the line of
changing a child's you know,
1813
01:13:03,820 --> 01:13:05,690
underwear.
If they've got like gone to the
1814
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:07,290
toilet and stuff or helping with
that.
1815
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:10,690
That is a red flag zone to me.
Like I have been trained so well
1816
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:12,850
to be like no, not getting
involved whatsoever.
1817
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:14,530
I don't think there's not a need
for it.
1818
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,050
I think there needs to be
really, really good training and
1819
01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:19,190
implement stuff.
Don't do what this government
1820
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,970
does and just increase the fines
by £80.
1821
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,210
Ohh, if you needed to be toilet
trained, you wanna pay?
1822
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:26,240
No, let's try and help them.
Let's put stuff in place to help
1823
01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:28,330
them before they get to school.
And if they still get to school,
1824
01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:30,810
need help, obviously we're gonna
help them still because that's
1825
01:13:30,820 --> 01:13:33,460
our role as teachers.
I obvious at school A.
1826
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:34,280
School.
A school.
1827
01:13:34,290 --> 01:13:34,980
A school.
A school.
1828
01:13:34,990 --> 01:13:36,860
OK, the original cause you
challenged me on this and made
1829
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:39,360
me get clear yeah yeah, but
teachers though is it the
1830
01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:40,820
teacher the training comes in
now.
1831
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:44,300
You as a teacher right now you
think training as a school you
1832
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:47,740
open it to people in that
setting if a teacher wants to be
1833
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:50,630
trained in it, fine.
And that the designated the
1834
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,800
designated person.
However, I believe that a
1835
01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:55,390
teacher's role should be to be
delivering lessons during the
1836
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,700
time school.
Therefore, I don't think it's a
1837
01:13:57,710 --> 01:14:00,310
good use of a teacher's time to
be having to go off and sort
1838
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,370
toilet training, etcetera for
specific children.
1839
01:14:02,380 --> 01:14:04,690
So it will never be all of them
would be specific children.
1840
01:14:04,780 --> 01:14:07,270
Therefore, I think it should be
someone who can be out of the
1841
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,830
classroom.
Whether there is a teaching
1842
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,260
assistant who has chosen to
train in that and has been given
1843
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:13,400
training and it's part of their
role now and they're expected to
1844
01:14:13,410 --> 01:14:16,150
do less other things.
Or if it's a, you know, a part
1845
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,450
of a family liaison role where
that's part of your role and you
1846
01:14:18,460 --> 01:14:21,530
have to do less other things.
It has to be implemented well
1847
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:24,730
with training, a choice, and
whether that's a teacher or not,
1848
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:26,940
it's down to the teacher.
However, if I was a leader, I
1849
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:30,770
would say let's let the teachers
teach and we'll use this funding
1850
01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:32,860
that the government given us for
this problem which they need to
1851
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:35,760
do on someone to be trained
outside of the classroom.
1852
01:14:35,770 --> 01:14:37,700
So final question to finish this
podcast if the.
1853
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:41,240
Government come in tomorrow and
say OK, it's now schools
1854
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:44,000
responsibility to do 2 things,
which is to make sure kids
1855
01:14:44,010 --> 01:14:47,180
leave, make kids leave school
toilet trained and kids all
1856
01:14:47,190 --> 01:14:49,400
leave school having brushed
their teeth at least once in the
1857
01:14:49,410 --> 01:14:50,850
day.
You'll be annoyed at that
1858
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:55,070
situation because there's no
one, there's no one to do.
1859
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,410
We're all maxed out in schools.
It comes with no funding, by the
1860
01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:58,340
way.
Yeah, yeah.
1861
01:14:58,350 --> 01:15:00,160
I'd be like, no, that's wrong
for two reasons.
1862
01:15:00,210 --> 01:15:03,550
One is we're already maxed out
and two is it's too serious to
1863
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,300
not have proper training on.
Yeah, cool.
1864
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:06,760
Alright, thanks Dan.
Nice one we've.
1865
01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:07,810
Solved that?
Yeah, Done it.
1866
01:15:07,820 --> 01:15:08,900
Gillian.
We know you listen.
1867
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:10,480
Yeah, sort.
Out.
1868
01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:11,660
Bye.
