Ep 46: Will The Teacher Workload Reduction Taskforce Actually Make A Difference?

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach, Sleep, Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
And please don't.

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Don't click off.
You've not clicked on the last

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episode or the episode before.
Hayden has, for the third time

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in a row, wore the same shirt.
Don't.

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Worry about I also wore it last
week when we didn't do an

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episode.
Just just you know.

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I'm starting to think that's all
you wear when you're not in

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school.
Well, and I've got a bit of a

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theory.
And the reason is because this

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week I was speaking to some
children on the playground who

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are in your class who I thought
previously, we obviously talking

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about you, we'll come onto that
later.

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But she said to me, yeah, I call
him Blue Shirt man, because he

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always wears the same blue
shirt.

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It's so true, I have right just
to explain myself here.

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But please do, because I am
about to absolutely expose

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yours, because I I think people
will think that what you do is

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mental.
So God.

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What do you mean?
I've actually got like 12 to 15

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shirts in my wardrobe.
OK, how many can fit?

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OK, let's I've got 15 shirt,
right?

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Yeah, 12 of them.
I haven't worn in over 2 years.

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Why?
Because I've put on weight and I

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was like, no, I I still refuse
to accept the fact that I

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shouldn't be.
I need to fit into those.

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Shirts.
That's fine.

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That leaves you with three that
fit, right.

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Three.
And you're only in school for

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three days a week.
Yeah, so naturally.

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Obviously I wear one a day
always.

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Is that true?
I do.

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Now.
You do.

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Now I do.
Now you do it now.

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Now talk about my past all you
want.

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Dylan, he you're trying to
embarrass.

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Me.
No, I'm not.

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I'm right.
You have you.

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You you defend yourself.
Another reason.

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Look, I have three shirts, OK?
They're all blue.

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Yeah.
And I wear them Monday, Tuesday,

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Wednesday they get washed and
wear them next week.

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I wear the same free on.
Rotation so you've never won the

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same shirt 2 days.
Anymore, because these are,

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these are what I call my fat
shirts, alright?

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Because they're the ones when
I'm at my biggest, I wear these

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three.
It just happens to have been

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that I've been on them for two.
Years You've been fasting diet

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for two weeks.
Obviously you've moved out.

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Talk about that in a minute.
But I used to.

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I used to.
If I got home and my shirt

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wasn't like, particularly if it
wasn't smelly, basically I've

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been.
I'll be right for another.

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Day.
That's good.

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Take it off and hang it up.
I can't do anymore.

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I sweat too.
Much so.

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So that's how you judge whether
clothes go in the washing

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machine or not.
If they stink.

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If they stink.
Bye, Lauren.

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Be like, what about all that
bacteria and yellow stains?

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Like, no, it doesn't smell.
Doesn't smell.

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It's going back on the next day.
So sometimes.

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And my whole point was, yeah, I
wanted to reduce washing, yeah.

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I mean, I mean it's a matter of
reduction going from three

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shirts to two.
Have you ever ironed a shirt?

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Yes.
So I don't plan to start.

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Soon.
Wait, so you're trying to reduce

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stuff?
Not even you.

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Don't even do it.
Do you wash your shirt?

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Do you do the washing home?
Very rarely.

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Do you do the ironing?
No.

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So he he had no benefit at all
from from wearing the shirt.

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Twice.
I feel bad because I know Lauren

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does the ironing and I'm like,
I.

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Don't give up ohh mine to do.
It's funny because I do that but

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with my trousers.
I will often wear my trousers

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every day of the week.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and.

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But I think that's normal
underwear.

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And wear for terms.
You've actually never changed.

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My trousers get washed probably
once every two weeks.

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We.
Do change the waistline every

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every year or.
Two.

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Yeah, I get a new belt.
At 36 now, I don't know what

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you're on.
By the way, it's 3636 is my

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account.
I've got 36 and that's when I

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thought do something about that.
So as you all know, anyway, off

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on a tandem very quickly on that
point of the waistline, you've

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been doing a challenge with me
every day, OK?

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And your challenge, just for
anyone who wasn't listening,

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didn't hear that Hayden's
challenge every single day and

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we're going to see how far we
can go with January 1st.

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Is January the first New Year?
How many days in a row can we

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both do Our particular
challenge?

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Mine was to cut out sugar from
my diet.

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Hayden supposed to go on a
fasting diet.

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Now.
Cutting out sugar for me was

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more about how I feel.
It was more about like, I want

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to get clarity when I don't eat
sugar, I'm less groggy.

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I feel less tired, I feel better
and like the weight loss is kind

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of like a a separate thing that
happened as a result.

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It's a bonus.
Whereas you chose fasting

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specifically just to lose
weight.

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Yeah, I just want to drop a.
Few pounds.

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So how much did you have you
lost in WOW?

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I started kind of.
I'm going to share my weight

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because who cares?
I started on OK because I don't

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really care.
Actually.

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I start on 15 stone 2.
Yep, I did drop down.

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I did drop down to 14 stone 13.
Really.

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Yeah, Now 115 stone.
What happened?

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What happened?
Wow, I've got a bit lazy with

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the old.
This is the problem.

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Right.
Wait, wait, wait.

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No, I'm still going.
I'm still doing it.

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The problem with this diet, and
I know you're going to rinse me

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about it anyway, the problem
with this, with this diet is I

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can do the fasting easy.
I cannot eat for 16 hours a day,

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but when it comes to the 8 hours
where I can eat, like

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technically there are no rules.
It always says, yeah, you know,

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just eat a normal amount, eat
what you want in those eight

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hours.
It's the 16 hours that cause

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you're you're you're keep
something about ketosis, you're

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going to ketosis and ketones.
Buddy, buddy, did you get this

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off like an?
Instagram ad Was this like?

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We've got off some app that I
was using to track it and I was

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like, Oh yeah, brilliant.
What it doesn't mean it doesn't

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mean is you can eat a whole
range of cake.

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It doesn't mean you can eat a
pack of four whispers.

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It does.
These are the kind of things

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that I need to stop doing.
This morning and there was a

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four lack of whispers, A4 pack
of ripples, and some whisper

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golds.
Yeah, why?

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Why?
Well this I I tell you what this

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is cause and I know what this
was from.

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So yesterday I came home and on
the side I said to Lauren, ohh

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my mum, My mum's been around
then ohh every time my mum comes

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round she always brings.
Like, is she an enabler?

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Yeah, she's an enabler.
Blame her mum.

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But so in all seriousness, if I
actually want to see results

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like you're seeing results you
can talk about in a minute, I

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do.
I do need to also basically do

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your diet.
Maybe a light version because

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I'm doing the fasting if I just
cut out like 50% of the.

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Sugar.
Yeah, yeah.

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I'll probably start losing
weight.

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You stopped eating chocolate?
I bet you would.

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Yeah, almost definitely just
that one.

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Almost definitely.
Chocolate is the.

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Is the killer, isn't it?
We've got you've had loads of

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success and actually wanna hear
about it because it's a hard

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diet kind of sugar so.
Yeah, I mean, it's hard.

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It's hard for someone like us.
I think for the average Joe,

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it's like it's a couple of
chocolate bars, yeah.

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No, I already have some self.
Discipline.

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Yeah, literally.
So we're coming from a place of

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no self-discipline whatsoever to
just trying to be a bit of a

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grown up.
And I always say this, just

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trying to be an adult and it's
going well.

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But essentially I'm not
snacking.

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Yeah, I'm not snacking at all.
So you look different.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I've lost weight.

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I've lost some weight.
So And it is.

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Jokes aside and taking the maker
stuff, it is it is nice when

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people say it and they're like
you because again numbers on the

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scale it doesn't actually
matter, might actually care that

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much.
The number one thing is

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genuinely how I feel and losing
weight makes you feel better

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because you are just a bit more
mobile and also in your clothes

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you feel a bit less conscious.
I've I've realised I never

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thought I was that conscious but
but now putting the same clothes

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on and not like noticing my
belly and stuff as much, it just

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looks like a how AT shirt should
fit.

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Yeah, and only then did I
realise that, Ohh yeah, that was

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in my mind definitely.
Like, every day when I got

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dressed, I was like, God, and
like, when you put on a shirt,

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like you said, you do the
buttons up and you're like, OK,

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this shirt never used to feel
like this where it's getting

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tighter.
It does just feel better to have

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lost a bit of weight.
And that's the side goal of this

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thing.
And it's working.

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But also, I must say, I don't
feel remotely as tired remotely,

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like, not even close to it.
And we've always said this

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before, that's the best.
We've been absolutely knackered,

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like, during school and stuff.
Yeah.

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And we were like, OK, I need to
get some more sleep.

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And then maybe we'll get some
more sleep and we'll still feel

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knackered the next day.
And the reason is you don't feel

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tired because you're not getting
enough sleep.

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You feel tired because your body
is an absolute mess, like, like.

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Honestly, it's like.
It's running of ripples right

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before bed and then got a good
night's sleep did not help the.

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Situation.
Yeah, literally.

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So you're waking up, your body's
done in.

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It's trying to like function off
a diet which is not remotely

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suitable.
So all I'm doing is I'm having

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breakfast, dinner, and I'm not
going to do this again.

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Breakfast, lunch and dinner.
It's because I'm.

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Northern and I want to say
breakfast dinner, just episode

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dinner, breakfast dinner.
Dinner said no, said Yeah.

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I just have breakfast, dinner,
lunch every day.

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And I said in that.
Order.

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Yeah, funny, Good joke.
But yeah.

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And then no, No crisps, no
chocolate, no fizzy drinks.

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They're they're trifecta.
And no fast food.

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No fast food.
The trifecta but and I know like

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no fast food but like backing
like McDonald's, that kind of

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thing.
The only thing we have had is

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like a Nando's.
Yeah yeah yeah.

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From this oven, that wood fire
oven pizza place and stuff like

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that.
Yeah.

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So not.
Necessarily, no.

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So it's fine, you.
Can.

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Yeah, You've got to.
Because I tell you what, it

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feels more sustainable than last
time.

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Yeah.
I I, you know, I walked in and I

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saw them chocolates and a part
of me was like, I would eat two

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of them right now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I don't, actually.
I don't sit wanting it, and the

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benefits of the whole diet is
outweighing my desire to go and

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eat it.
Yeah.

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So it does feel good now though,
and I'm going to start doing

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some more exercise now.
Now I've added in a bit of that

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and I've got to a bit like
knocked a bit off, Yeah, because

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like I said, the numbers are
cool, but I want to feel better,

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so I just want to get.
Stronger anyone not watching, by

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the way, Dylan is has been doing
this episode so far with his top

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off.
He's really, really proud to

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present.
Isn't it?

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Isn't me.
I've gone from morbid obesity to

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obese and I'm like, yeah, this
is how you do it, guys.

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On the on the app.
Yeah, all BMI is all crazy

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anyway, because I'm like a short
stocky.

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But I tell you what anyway.
Obesity.

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There's like, it's very easy to
get into that bracket, isn't it?

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Like the actual technical side
of it?

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I said I've been on like that
app.

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I've been obese for years.
Yeah, I've got news for you.

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Real life killer.
Not the app mate, But yeah, no.

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Lower threshold than you think
it.

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Is it is.
And I know a lot of people will

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be listening who feel the same
way of like, OK, I know I need

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to do something, but I'm working
so hard constantly at school,

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it's easy for me to get a ready
meal and some chocolate and

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walking for the staff area.
We've done it for years.

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Like, it's this is not remotely
like a judgy thing.

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And if you're listening to this
anytime from sort of March back

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on, then then this is what we
need to listen to this advice we

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have given up by them.
I think what I have found this

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week really hard though, purely
because and I know you know this

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as well, because we've both been
there.

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I had a rank cold last week.
Yeah.

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And when you feel ill, just
everything is just so much

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effort.
And I think I really dropped off

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because I was, I was actually a
bit more conscious before this

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week about what I was eating in
the day that was losing.

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I was losing weight and then
I've kind of put a pound back on

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I.
Forgot you all that does.

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Actually, and yeah, it's like
it's just pure, like it's not

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lazy.
Feeling sorry for yourself?

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But also your body is trying to
fight, like fight off stuff and

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it needs more calories I assume,
and I'm not.

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Saying the nasally.
Voice if I'm just guessing.

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Anyway, let's move on.
Let's talk about this week.

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A quick recap of our week.
Some funny stuff happened.

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Yeah, we're gonna get into a
really chunky bit of this

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episode.
Now move forward to it.

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So.
So I wanna start with story and

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it is kind of between me and
Dylan.

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This is for you guys because
it's a funny thing that happened

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this week.
So I was on the playground on

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Tuesday and a bunch of your
kids, your maths class, Dylan's

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in year 4, I'm in year six for
context and maths class.

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A couple of these girls come up
to me and was like really riled

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up and they were like, we're
going to beat you.

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And I don't know what you're
talking about.

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Yeah, yeah, we're going to beat
you.

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And Dylan explained that he set
up a times.

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It was rock stars competition
between his class and my class.

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A year four set and a year six
best mathematicians in the

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school set.
Yeah, just for.

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Context top set year six.
So I was like, all right, OK,

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yeah, I've only set it for three
days so they can smash you.

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Yeah.
OK.

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We're going to get the iPads in.
Obviously playing behind the

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scenes, I'm playing along with
this but to the kids I'd be

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like, no, I'm going to go tell
all my essays right now.

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They're going to go home and
they're not letting year fours

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beat me.
If you fours beat us and and I

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think I said something like Mr
Mr. Price can take over or

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something like that And I was
like but if I win if these if

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they are my year six is win.
I'm coming into your classroom

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next week I'm kicking Mr. Price
out.

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I'll be taking the class from
now on.

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That's all I said.
That is all I said and and the

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conversation ended there.
I didn't hear anything More of

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these girls ran off like.
I'm going to tell you what

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happened after that.
Then yes.

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So they came into my classroom,
like, honestly, could barely

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breathe.
They were so like and and it and

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it and they said something about
right, right.

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We get to, we get.
Listen, if we win, we get to

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chase Mr Stevens and he's gonna
kick you out the window.

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If you win, he's gonna kick you
out the window and take over and

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teach us maths for the whole
time.

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So completely made that up.
Already kicking out the window?

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Yeah, literally just made out of
nowhere, went out his PA that

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afternoon.
I came back from PA and what the

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teacher teaches, PSHE said.
The kids have written a note for

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you or something, this whole
note of this plan, how they're

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gonna chase you around the
playground, right?

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And they said in maths on
Wednesday, Wednesday morning.

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And they found that they'd won.
Yeah, because I because

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initially it was Monday to
Monday and my class, like we had

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iPads out in the morning and
it's correct answers.

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So like my class got like loads
ahead And then your class just

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did their homework, which is
like a minimal amount and they

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overtook us.
So I was like, OK, the yes,

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they're just gonna win because
they're quicker, just even if a

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few of them do it.
And so I changed the date back

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to Wednesday and then we got the
iPad out again on Tuesday.

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Anyway, they won and they were
unbelievably excited.

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And I was like, I need to really
think of something for you guys.

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A nice little treat because you
beat the year sixes.

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Just a trick to make do those
times table.

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Yeah.
And they're like, no, no, no,

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no, no, no.
There's a letter.

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There's a letter on the on the
shelf.

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And I was like, what?
And they they left the letter,

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that letter on the shelf.
So I've got it.

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And then then we come to the
front and explain what's gonna

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happen.
And I was like, yeah, right.

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So the same 2 girls came to the
front in maths and they were

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just so excited.
And the kids in the class were

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so excited as well and they were
there going right.

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So basically what we get to do
is, Mr Stevens, we're going to

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chase me.
It's going to be Mr. Price and

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Miss Gillett, who's my teaching
assistant.

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Or some days in school.
Yeah, they're gonna be behind.

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Mr Stevens.
And they're gonna be chasing Mr

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Stevens.
Then it's us two behind them

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that we're gonna be chasing Miss
Stevens.

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And then everyone else is behind
us and we're going to change

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Miss Stevens all around the
playground and that's because he

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lost.
So like and basically that was

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that was yesterday the last day.
They think that's happening next

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week.
Yeah.

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I mean, it's got to happen now,
isn't it?

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And when this is released, it's
going to be happening like

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tomorrow it's gonna happen.
And I said, I think, I think

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this is Stevens on duty on
Tuesday.

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And I've just got this vision
now, because if 20 kids are

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chasing Man Playground, everyone
will join me.

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In the whole of the school kid
years ago that that started in

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my class was really funny and he
started this chant about me.

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I can't what it was, but it was
quite funny.

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Baldy Baldy over there, yeah.
Probably it was like Miss

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Stevens for president or
something like that.

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I think it was.
And he managed.

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I'm not joking.
He got every single child on the

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playground to following.
Him like a big.

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Conga line chancing this.
Thing was that I was gone now.

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Yeah, I think I remember.
Yeah, yeah.

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Every year or two years.
Ago.

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Look what's going on.
There's like hundreds of years.

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Ago.
Two years ago, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I was like it only lasted
for like 20 seconds but for.

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The fact he managed.
To get like a hundreds of

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children for a minute just to do
this thing.

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That kids gonna go someplace?
So yeah, Tuesday, bring on

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Tuesday.
I'll be chased around.

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By just love it, I feel like
we're getting right back into

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our group of of like winding
kids up in terms of getting them

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riled up about you, cause my
class are now becoming a bit

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obsessed.
With you, but it's great cause

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what did make them do their
times?

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Yeah, completely, exactly.
That's the whole thing.

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I was like, yeah, they're gonna
love the fact they've managed to

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beat some year sixes they
weren't realise it's because we

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didn't cost.
Like they won't know.

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That I didn't think of you
winding up kids.

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I did have a bunch of girls in
my class come up the other day

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and I know this was to do with
you and they were just staring

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at my forehead.
I was like well.

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What do you want to watch the US
office, Right.

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One of the things Jim does to
Dwight cause Jim's always

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pranking Dwight.
Yeah, one of the simple pranks

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Jim does to Dwight is just
literally get everyone to look

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at his forehead instead of his
eyes when he's talking.

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Yeah, so I said to him, get as
many people as you can to do.

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I think they just ran off quite
excited and did it.

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Just them to as many people as
you can to do it.

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And don't tell, don't pretend
nothing's happening.

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Have conversation with him but
stare at his forehead and don't

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get eye.
Contact at all came into my

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English lesson.
Just stare at my forehead.

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Ohh no.
I love the idea that something

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that happens and straight away
like I know.

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Stella Yeah, of course, Yeah.
I went too far.

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After about 20 seconds, I was
like, Mr. Price specifically

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told us.
To stare at your forehead is

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like ruining the joke, but fair
enough.

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Like I only worked.
If you don't tell him, you go

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crazy.
But yeah.

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I also had the other day on this
note of the thing between us

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two.
We were doing an RE lesson and

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it was it was on this this
passage from the Bible where

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Jesus talks about making the
fisherman Fisher of men And and

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the whole point was it's about
Jesus like recruiting disciples

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and people to spread the word.
Yeah.

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And.
And they.

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And they go and fish for men in
terms of go and get them to join

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Christianity.
Catfishing.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Catfishing.
Exactly.

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Yeah.
Dress it all up and it's nothing

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like they said it was going to
be but like and the idea was

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that we would right at the end
the job advert as if we were

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Jesus trying to find Fisher of
men And the whole point was what

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are the characteristics that you
would want from a disciple.

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So like, kindness, loving,
popular, they come up with all

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the Christian values basically.
And and persuasive was a big as

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well because we're trying to
convince people to.

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Yeah, of course.
And then we talked about like

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being a salesman and how it was
modern day.

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They'd be good people to get in
because they convince.

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People to imagine they thought
really hard then about, yeah,

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yeah, the kind of people they
probably definitely label some

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people.
Yeah.

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This kind of person, so the
quality.

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Exactly.
They were really, really

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focused.
They're writing was actually

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really quite good.
You know, had lots of ideas on

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the board.
All those things you just said,

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love, kindness.
And at the top of the sheet for

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the job advert was a picture of
the ideal candidate.

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Of course, someone said finished
writing.

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They could drop picture of the
ideal candidate and label.

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It and everyone took it.
Seriously, everyone took really

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seriously.
And and but Marcus Amari and

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opened the book and it was just
a picture of me, knew nothing to

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do with Fisher of men.
Quite rotund people, I must say.

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My beard and hair you completely
round circle.

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Yeah.
And it was labelled Mr Bruce, Mr

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Stevens and arrow to me saying
good and an arrow to you say

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bad.
Nothing to do.

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With nothing to do whatsoever
underneath.

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He's like, yeah, fishermen needs
to be, you know, have have real

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kindness, be persuasive.
OK, Can we see a picture of

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that?
No.

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But you have got a good and bad.
Picture and there everybody is

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the downside of hyper too much
and then they just ruin their

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essence.
Got too obsessed?

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With it literally.
So this is a fine line.

455
00:17:25,300 --> 00:17:27,730
Not pretending we have the line,
but I'd much rather be like we

456
00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:28,970
are.
Yeah, I much rather be.

457
00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:32,230
Like I've always said, kids, my
number one priority is kids

458
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,810
enjoy school.
I go home happy, go home with a

459
00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:35,950
smile on their face.
Yeah, they're learning, Will.

460
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,810
Will come and maybe the second
priority would be that teachers

461
00:17:38,820 --> 00:17:41,010
got home the smile on the face
because the Workload Reduction

462
00:17:41,020 --> 00:17:45,820
Task Force, what manages to
introduce some new Is, is there

463
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:48,110
fantastic?
Is there been a Segway early

464
00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,470
release of the teacher workload
reduction task?

465
00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,000
Force.
I know we play the Jingle and

466
00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:59,380
find out.
All right, so anyone who doesn't

467
00:17:59,390 --> 00:18:02,980
know recently, and I'm talking
like last week when this is

468
00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:07,380
released, the government have
responded to something they've

469
00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,570
set up.
And what they set up was it was

470
00:18:09,580 --> 00:18:12,240
a DfES workload reduction task
force.

471
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:14,020
And this all came about from the
strikes.

472
00:18:14,030 --> 00:18:17,320
It was the idea of OK, listen, a
big part of the reason why

473
00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:20,060
teachers are striking is because
workload is at crazier than

474
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:21,390
ever.
It's more than ever.

475
00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:23,960
And systematically alongside
that simultaneously.

476
00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:27,180
Rather, pay was stagnating.
So you may have heard a lot in

477
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:29,120
the media, especially if you're
not a teacher, about the whole

478
00:18:29,130 --> 00:18:29,850
pay thing.
Yeah.

479
00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:32,290
And that was the thing that
drove forward because inflation

480
00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:35,090
was high.
We could be like kind of blasted

481
00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:38,090
as selfish to the to the country
because we're asking for so much

482
00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:40,570
money at a time when inflation
is tough and everyone's feeling

483
00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:42,650
the pinch.
That was 1/2 of it.

484
00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:44,750
And for many teachers, less than
half of it.

485
00:18:44,860 --> 00:18:47,280
And I know a lot of teachers
where they had to pick one thing

486
00:18:47,290 --> 00:18:49,370
that was more vital to them, the
pay.

487
00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:52,920
It was, it was.
The pay was important, but it

488
00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:55,040
was like, OK, listen, if we're
in a situation where we can't

489
00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:57,930
afford to pay teachers at
inflation, then we need to do

490
00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:59,240
something to reduce the amount
of work that.

491
00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:00,590
They do, yeah, to make the job.
Less so.

492
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,610
You know, one thing had to give
and part of that was the

493
00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:07,240
government signed up to kind of
set up this task force to reduce

494
00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:09,820
workload.
It's been, there's been ongoing

495
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:11,770
for years and years, these ideas
being popped up to the

496
00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:14,660
government and it's kind of
separate to the government.

497
00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:16,960
And then the government can
respond to them and be like, OK,

498
00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:19,480
yes or no, yes or no.
And this week we had the first

499
00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:21,070
recommendations from that task
force.

500
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,740
And it was big news because the
government have already replied

501
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:25,850
to a couple of them and said yes
or no.

502
00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:28,860
And there's been a general
feeling of OK, this is how we're

503
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:31,050
going to move forward.
We'll talk at the end about what

504
00:19:31,060 --> 00:19:32,460
happened next.
It's not done.

505
00:19:32,530 --> 00:19:35,060
But I thought this would be a
fantastic episode for anyone who

506
00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:37,220
is in teaching or is wondering
what the teachers do.

507
00:19:37,230 --> 00:19:39,300
Why are they striking?
Why is this such a nuisance?

508
00:19:39,370 --> 00:19:41,110
Yeah, is it not known?
What is the problem with work?

509
00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,430
What is the problem?
Yeah, why?

510
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,130
You know, the fact there's a
task force being set up does

511
00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:46,720
kind of suggest there is a big
problem.

512
00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:48,460
And just look at the retention.
Particularly the government.

513
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:50,810
Know this government who are
Don't budge on anything.

514
00:19:50,820 --> 00:19:52,230
Yeah.
If they've actually agreed to do

515
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,980
this, it's kind of like, OK,
yeah, probably should take this

516
00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:58,070
seriously then.
And and the great gaol gaol free

517
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,170
card for the government is they
can reject this the.

518
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,880
Suggestions which, yeah, we'll
talk about.

519
00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:05,930
The first one and I thought this
was a fantastic idea and I'm not

520
00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:07,770
afraid to say when things are
good and when the government

521
00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:09,370
make a good decision.
I think that's really important.

522
00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:10,830
We've got to say when it's a
good thing.

523
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,440
Is it an election year?
Yes.

524
00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:15,620
But anyway, um, could they have
separate, you know, reasons for

525
00:20:15,630 --> 00:20:16,680
doing it now?
I don't know.

526
00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:20,460
But anyway, one really, really
good thing, and it's it's rife

527
00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:24,460
across the the whole system
since we started, really, was

528
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:26,340
the introduction of performance
related pay.

529
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:29,760
Because the idea of performance
related pay is you'd set up some

530
00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:33,180
targets with your SLT, whatever
your mentor in school over the

531
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:34,150
year.
And it will be to do with

532
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,380
progress for the children,
usually in maths or English or

533
00:20:37,390 --> 00:20:39,510
linked to the school's
performance plan and what

534
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,410
they're working on as a school.
And that all makes sense.

535
00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:45,310
It's good to have targets,
especially.

536
00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:47,590
We've been told as well
previously that, you know, these

537
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,470
targets are stretch targets.
They're targets where they're

538
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,830
really kind of, you know,
aspirational.

539
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,280
It would be really amazing if
you managed to move all of these

540
00:20:55,290 --> 00:20:58,230
children up to that level.
It's more than what's expected

541
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,220
from you as a baseline.
The problem is though, when the

542
00:21:01,230 --> 00:21:04,030
government changed all this, I
think it was like in 2014 and

543
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,270
when Gove was the education
secretary, they linked pay rises

544
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,450
and moving up the ladder, not
just to experience anymore, but

545
00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:15,570
to whether you met these
performance targets and a big

546
00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:18,240
thing schools could do then was
set ridiculous targets.

547
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:20,800
You're never going to meet them.
You don't meet them because it's

548
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:23,800
not reasonable to you.
And then you'll pay isn't bumped

549
00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:26,320
up to the ladder.
I'm not talking about a pay rise

550
00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:27,900
percentage, pay rise for
inflation.

551
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,760
We're talking about the
experience ladder, where you go

552
00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:31,740
up to the first wrong step and
wrong as years goes on.

553
00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:36,910
So they're saying and that it
works poorly in practise this

554
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,330
this does the the the
government, sorry, the body who

555
00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:41,140
the government have paid to go
off and do all this research

556
00:21:41,150 --> 00:21:43,170
have said this does not work in
practise.

557
00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:46,750
It doesn't actually make sure
that teachers get there or not.

558
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,850
It's not enough of a carrot for
teachers to be able to achieve

559
00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:51,320
those goals because the goals
are unreasonable.

560
00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:52,910
It doesn't matter what they've
got in front of them.

561
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,910
Yeah, it just adds stress.
It just means that some teachers

562
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,610
don't get a pay rise at the end
of the year.

563
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,710
And what's your thoughts on
scrapping?

564
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,730
That a couple of things.
So it adds, you know, like you

565
00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:05,430
said, it does just add another
layer where that just makes this

566
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,000
job ridiculously different
depending on what school you

567
00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:08,480
work in.
Sure.

568
00:22:08,490 --> 00:22:10,420
For some reason it's like ohh,
there's public sector job, you

569
00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:12,810
did the same training, you're on
the same pay scale in that

570
00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:15,120
school though they're gonna set
a crazy target for they're not

571
00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:16,810
gonna give you a pay rise.
Go over there and they will.

572
00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:18,320
It's like I'm the same person.
Yeah.

573
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:19,890
So that's that's just stupid.
I hate that.

574
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:23,090
So I do agree with you know,
it's not the best system if

575
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:25,570
we're supposed to have this
lovely public, fair public

576
00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:26,990
sector job where everyone paid
the same.

577
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,080
So if you're you know someone
who's not in teaching and you

578
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:31,090
look at this, I can imagine
people look at this and go I've

579
00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:33,360
got performance related pay.
I've got sales targets and need

580
00:22:33,370 --> 00:22:35,010
to meet to get Commission and
things like that.

581
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,790
Someone really.
Maybe I'm gonna state agent, I'm

582
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,500
gonna really low base salary and
unless we meet our targets in

583
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:42,480
branch then I don't get paid as
much and that's that's because

584
00:22:42,490 --> 00:22:43,760
you're making money for the
business.

585
00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:45,630
What what do you think is
different about a teacher?

586
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,570
Why should teachers not have it?
Why why do we.

587
00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:49,600
Not annoying me, I was about to
ask you the same question.

588
00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:51,780
So that's my that's my counter
thought all the time.

589
00:22:51,790 --> 00:22:53,780
Is anyone in the private sector
right now?

590
00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:57,550
I was thinking performance
related pay is pretty, pretty

591
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,650
standard stuff.
Sure.

592
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:00,910
So I understand that the
sympathies might not be there

593
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,150
when we're saying to scrap it.
So I don't, I don't necessarily

594
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,430
think we should just scrap it.
Yeah, because at the end of the

595
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,850
day, do people perform
differently?

596
00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:12,560
Will people work harder?
Will people be trying to improve

597
00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:14,830
themselves at a different rate?
And should should there be any

598
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,290
kind of renumeration for it?
Maybe, but I don't think that's

599
00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:20,590
true.
And we've worked in schools long

600
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,910
enough to realise this, that the
amount of work and hours you can

601
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,100
put into a cohort doesn't always
necessarily translate to how

602
00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:29,250
much progress they're gonna
make.

603
00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:32,980
It's not like sales where the
more telephones you pick up.

604
00:23:33,030 --> 00:23:35,220
Hmm.
And the more calls you make, the

605
00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:37,820
more sales you make.
Yeah, the more hours you put in,

606
00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:41,000
the more sales you're complete.
Therefore, you're gonna kind of

607
00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:43,480
kind of linked to the amount of
effort you put in with this.

608
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:45,180
Really.
You know if I sit and replan the

609
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:49,120
entire English curriculum, maybe
one or two Cosby children might

610
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:51,820
get through that didn't before
because they, you know, they

611
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:53,960
relate more to the text and
they're more engaged.

612
00:23:54,290 --> 00:23:56,520
Your teaching style isn't gonna
change because of performance

613
00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:57,330
related pay.
Yeah.

614
00:23:57,340 --> 00:24:00,600
I'm not gonna suddenly become
that teacher who now manages to

615
00:24:00,610 --> 00:24:03,240
make it form an amazing bond
with this child who was so

616
00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:04,780
reluctant before.
But now that I've got

617
00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:07,240
performance related pay, wow,
I've made a real difference to

618
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:08,040
that child.
Hmm.

619
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:09,780
It's it's not as linear, I don't
think.

620
00:24:09,790 --> 00:24:12,600
And what's really interesting
from this is the research says

621
00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:15,100
from this task force that it
doesn't work in practise.

622
00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:17,600
It's this idea.
And I think sometimes in culture

623
00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:20,110
we think that's what we always
do, that's what everyone else

624
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,980
does.
Well, why don't we just carry

625
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:24,950
well, you know, if the research
is saying no, if the research

626
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,270
says working from home for a
private company doesn't impact

627
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:31,160
whatsoever with the output of
the company and it makes people

628
00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:33,570
happier, we don't just, we
shouldn't just turn around and

629
00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:35,980
say, oh, but we've always been
in the office, so come back into

630
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:38,190
the office, please, You need to
react to research.

631
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,900
And if it's saying it doesn't
work and it's only adding stress

632
00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:43,970
to the job, there's already 74
other things that stress out

633
00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:45,530
enough.
It's one less thing to worry.

634
00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:48,170
About so do you think it should
go back to or if it was like

635
00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:51,030
this war but just guaranteed
every year you go up a point?

636
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,760
Yeah, I do.
On on the main pay scale, yeah,

637
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:55,620
I I don't mind that at all
because the main pay scale,

638
00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:59,100
you've got to remember we're
talking like 2 grand a year,

639
00:24:59,170 --> 00:25:00,840
right?
We're not talking unbelievably

640
00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:03,600
high amounts of money.
And naturally, if you've been a

641
00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:06,340
teacher for one or two years, it
doesn't mean you're worse than a

642
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:08,600
teacher that's been there for
four or five years necessarily.

643
00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:11,260
But on the whole, in general,
you do improve.

644
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:13,680
Yeah, you're probably gonna be
better than your two year pre

645
00:25:13,690 --> 00:25:14,970
yourself.
Because you've taught this,

646
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:16,180
you've done different year
groups.

647
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:18,440
Now you're more of an asset to
the school in terms of your

648
00:25:18,610 --> 00:25:19,930
experience.
Confidence.

649
00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:21,610
Yeah.
And and I I look at it

650
00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:22,940
personally.
This is how I look at the pay

651
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:24,710
scale for teachers.
I look at the pay scales

652
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,970
teachers as top of the main pay
scale, which is about 38 grand

653
00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:29,440
now.
I think 40 grand something like

654
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:31,380
that.
I look at that as the salary for

655
00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:33,430
being a teacher.
Yeah, so that is a salary of

656
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,430
being a teacher.
We start off too low and we're

657
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,480
working our way up to the
teacher salary.

658
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,650
I don't see it as the teacher
salary is 30 grand.

659
00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:42,330
Prove yourself.
Be better to get more.

660
00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:44,010
Yeah, I see yourself as 40
grand.

661
00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:46,290
Work for five years, gain your
experience, got the main pay

662
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,580
scale and then that's the level
of a teacher.

663
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:49,560
That's a good way to think about
it.

664
00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:52,070
That's how I look at it and
that's why I think going up, you

665
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,230
just earning your stripes.
Yeah, I don't necessarily agree

666
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,990
with it.
I I absolutely despise the fact

667
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,410
that an ECT gets paid.
I think it's roughly 12 grand or

668
00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:04,650
13 grand less than someone who's
been doing it for four or five

669
00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:09,910
years when in my opinion they're
doing the same job that that's

670
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,890
mad to me.
I I've I've never really liked

671
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,130
the whole experience.
Automatically means money, which

672
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,410
is what I'm saying we should go
back to.

673
00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:18,550
But equally don't think that
performance related pay when

674
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,340
your SLT are setting different
targets than other schools that

675
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:23,890
could be harsher or better.
I don't think either system is

676
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:25,860
ideal.
I just think if you're teaching

677
00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:29,260
kids, you should just get paid
to teach the kids.

678
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,430
If you've done it for three
years or five years, should you

679
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,580
get 4 grand more?
It's hard.

680
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:36,490
I think there's more like
psychology behind it, I think.

681
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,050
Do you think it retains people
more?

682
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,170
Yeah, I think there is.
There's got to be an element of.

683
00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:41,770
And not enough people are
leaving.

684
00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:44,030
Yeah, well, as I'm saying, like
if there wasn't a.

685
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:46,210
Do you think more people would?
I'm just imagining, I'm just

686
00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:48,310
imagining a scenario right where
there was no pay scale at all.

687
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,590
It was just everyone comes in at
this is what we pay teachers.

688
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,950
Everyone gets paid 40 grand.
I just feel like people like me

689
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,980
and you who especially early on
in our careers were like super,

690
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:58,810
super driven, like aspiration
wise one.

691
00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:00,890
I want to earn more.
I want to be high on, be more

692
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,920
important than school, whatever
I think we would have been like.

693
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:07,170
But you know.
What day one I'll never even get

694
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:08,550
paid.
Like, why should I improve?

695
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,330
Why should I get better in any
aspect?

696
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,340
Nothing to reward.
Me.

697
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:14,250
That's interesting, because the
I thought the same thing, but

698
00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:16,670
just five years down the line.
Yeah, I looked at it and I

699
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,390
thought, OK, I already know what
I'll be on when I'm 28.

700
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,990
Hmm.
And I didn't like.

701
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,990
That exactly.
So imagine it was from day one.

702
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,050
Yeah, sure.
But I think I agree.

703
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:29,310
But I also think all that might
be replaced with then is I

704
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,990
think, paying teachers
adequately for doing extra work.

705
00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:34,030
For example if you're just a
class teacher, 40 grand.

706
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,750
Your class teacher, you who's
been here for two years and you,

707
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,770
who's doing it for 10 years,
you're still both class

708
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:40,110
teachers.
You're still both sharing

709
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,430
planning equally.
Hmm.

710
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:44,760
Like you're just saying you're
better so you get 10 grand more.

711
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:46,780
Yeah.
Whereas maybe if it's all at the

712
00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:50,180
same, I don't know the same
renumeration, we might recruit

713
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:54,330
more people because it's higher
and then in the job you would

714
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:56,340
then my point was we had to
reform everything.

715
00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:58,560
It doesn't work currently
because if you're a class

716
00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,080
teacher and you get X amount of
money, cool.

717
00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:03,260
But then if you lead geography,
you get a bunch actually get

718
00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:04,820
paid more.
If you lead maths, you get a

719
00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:06,360
bonus.
Then the aspiration comes in

720
00:28:06,370 --> 00:28:09,730
leading something or or taking
on this kind of role within the

721
00:28:09,740 --> 00:28:10,960
school to make the school
better.

722
00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:12,240
That's.
Renumerated.

723
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:14,410
It has to be monetary value.
I was gonna, I was gonna say,

724
00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:17,500
like a lot of private companies
have bonuses, right?

725
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:19,130
Sure.
They'll be bonuses for people's

726
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:21,330
performance as well as their pay
rises or whatever.

727
00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:22,670
Yeah.
So if if we've got this scenario

728
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,830
where no one's being paid
anymore, I think we'd within one

729
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,710
year, the entire nation would go
to the point where we feel right

730
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,050
now where we feel stagnated by
not going up with strikes and

731
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:33,230
stuff.
And you know what that makes me

732
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,970
feel?
And I know a lot of people.

733
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,390
It's like, cool, I won't do any
more work then.

734
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,590
Yeah, it's almost that spiteful
thing of like, OK, if you think

735
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,440
I'm not worth any more money the
next year when I'm more

736
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:42,080
experienced than I won't do
anything else.

737
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:45,020
I will purposely do nothing more
is almost how I want.

738
00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:46,100
Yeah.
I want people to be like that

739
00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:47,850
because that's the point of the
strikes.

740
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,110
So I think if I was on the same
pay without any kind of new

741
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,610
system, right.
Everyone's just like, no,

742
00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:53,760
everyone just gets paid 40
grand.

743
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:56,730
Now, then I think you'd see a
lot of people just not really

744
00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:58,270
doing it much extra.
You wouldn't get those people

745
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,000
going above and beyond like they
are now.

746
00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:02,110
Because I think the current
system does kind of trick people

747
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,450
into thinking or if I'm going up
from 26 to 28 grand, I will do

748
00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:06,330
that club.
Sure.

749
00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:07,800
OK.
I'll prove myself I'm worth

750
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:08,830
that.
You're absolutely right.

751
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,290
It does trick people into doing
because.

752
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,600
Currently the base level for a
teacher is 20, 27.8 grands, 30.

753
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:15,140
Right. 30 grand.
It's moving to that.

754
00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:16,380
It has already.
But it is.

755
00:29:16,390 --> 00:29:17,810
It's it's gonna be 30.
Or at least it is.

756
00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:19,760
Yeah.
So let's say it's 30 grand.

757
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:21,400
That now is the base level for a
teacher.

758
00:29:21,410 --> 00:29:23,300
And then you justify the leaps
by doing extra work.

759
00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:24,900
Exactly So.
So that's how they getting more

760
00:29:24,910 --> 00:29:25,630
work hours.
Yeah.

761
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240
So I think the base level for a
teacher should be M6, which is

762
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:31,240
the top of the main pay scale.
That's just what I believe.

763
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:33,820
And because you're still doing
the same job but then anything

764
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:37,300
extra, if you pick up extra
things or if you get better,

765
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:40,050
maybe that's what upper pay
range would before you know use

766
00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:41,880
the upper pay range for that for
that in that case.

767
00:29:41,890 --> 00:29:44,780
Because at the minute pay range,
again for anyone who doesn't

768
00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:47,560
know, there's a main pay scale
for schools that goes when we

769
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:51,180
started it went from like 24 up
to like 35 Right now it's moved,

770
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:55,820
I think it goes up to about it's
like 30 to 4042 maybe.

771
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:58,680
And the first level of upper pay
range is now 43.

772
00:29:58,890 --> 00:30:03,200
So it's a separate scale, right?
And a lot of schools still now

773
00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:06,340
cling on to the fact that if you
move to the upper pay range you

774
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:09,840
have to be leading a subject.
You have to be doing loads extra

775
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:12,340
to really justify moving from
just the range of a classroom

776
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:15,530
teacher to doing extra stuff.
My point would be classroom

777
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:17,690
teachers should be paid a base
amount which is good for that

778
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:21,420
job and that anything extra.
You either use TLS if you're

779
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:23,910
leading just maths for example,
you get an extra amount of money

780
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,570
for doing that.
Or if you then do more for the

781
00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:29,410
school in general, perhaps you
are, you know, overseeing upper

782
00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:31,860
key stage two or you're a year
group leader or something like

783
00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:33,480
that.
Justify it through putting them

784
00:30:33,490 --> 00:30:35,810
through to the next stage and
you have this kind of two tier

785
00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:39,330
system of OK, if you're an ECT
or just the classroom teachers

786
00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:42,210
been doing it for eight years.
You, in my opinion are doing the

787
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:44,780
same job and I don't think
anyone could actually really

788
00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:47,440
begrudge apart from experience,
the fact that you get paid the

789
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:48,520
same.
I reckon people, would you?

790
00:30:48,530 --> 00:30:49,220
Know.
Yeah, they would.

791
00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:50,960
They would because of the
traditional thing, though.

792
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:53,720
Yeah, if you've got that
experience, OK, So what are you

793
00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:56,120
bringing more than the other
person?

794
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:59,140
Are you their mentor?
No, it might just be that you're

795
00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:00,980
just getting better results,
you're more confident you know

796
00:31:00,990 --> 00:31:02,480
you're doing, you don't need,
you don't require as much.

797
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:04,170
Support.
In that case, if you're getting

798
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:06,490
more, if you're getting more
results, you could justify going

799
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:10,140
to the pay range, yeah, yeah.
So I don't mind having some form

800
00:31:10,150 --> 00:31:13,560
of performance related pay when
it's off the main pay scale, but

801
00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:17,190
if it's just the idea of just
doing that job, I don't know.

802
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,280
I I think there's a huge
discrepancy there and I don't

803
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:21,730
think it's a bad thing that the
starting salaries gone up.

804
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,430
Hmm, no, not I don't think it's
bad that we've basically

805
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,820
squashing that main pay scale.
Personally, it's annoying for us

806
00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:28,930
because we've gone through the
main pay scale and we started on

807
00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:31,530
22 grand, like you know, we
started on really low.

808
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:34,290
But if you just let go of that
for a second, objectively it's

809
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,710
better that they're putting up
the starting salary, I think.

810
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,950
As long as yeah, in this, in our
made-up system here.

811
00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:41,870
As long as there is has to be
widespread, there has to be a

812
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,320
bonus system.
There just has to be.

813
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,910
There has to be.
I just don't think.

814
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:47,900
Yeah, I think of what you've had
one year, right, where you got

815
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:50,500
two teachers on the same pay.
Yeah, one of them does the bare

816
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:52,090
minimum for the job.
Yeah, OK, fine.

817
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,880
They're doing the job right.
And the other one just goes

818
00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:56,090
above and beyond all the time.
They run all these extra clubs

819
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,730
they take their kids to on trips
and they do these things.

820
00:31:58,740 --> 00:31:59,940
They just require loads of extra
planning.

821
00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:03,180
And at the end of the end of the
year they go there, they head

822
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:04,520
teacher, OK, what am I on next
year?

823
00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:07,480
Obviously I've done tonnes more
work than here and they're like,

824
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:10,730
oh, same pay again.
And it's like, OK, so if there

825
00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:12,480
is a system where it's like, OK,
you can go up to the other pay

826
00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:14,270
scale actually, because I tell
you what, you are doing all

827
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,830
these extra things, they're not.
That's their choice.

828
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:17,710
Come on, you stay there.
You're doing all these extra

829
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,790
things.
But that then to me, it's just

830
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,630
like this whole thing is just
justifying.

831
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:23,670
That already exists though,
yeah.

832
00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:27,150
That already exists now, I know.
And then we were like, what's

833
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,810
the point?
I'm getting paid 12 grand less.

834
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,410
When we started as ET, right?
We were getting paid less than

835
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:36,530
what we are now, three days a
week at the top of the scale.

836
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,570
And we were getting paid less
than, never mind inflation and

837
00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:41,450
pay rises and stuff.
We were getting paid less than

838
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:43,610
than someone who was part time
at the top of the pay scale.

839
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,150
That rinsed me.
I was like, that's horrendous.

840
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:47,440
Yeah.
So we can't pretend that it's

841
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:49,270
working now.
That's true, But there used to

842
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,990
be a bit more of a bonus system.
Didn't they used to be

843
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,260
retention?
Retention like schools used to

844
00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:56,680
have a lot more power to to
basically, yeah, just pay, pay

845
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:59,240
their teachers like a bonus at
end of the year to retain them.

846
00:32:59,290 --> 00:33:01,080
If they're really good teachers,
you know they're going to.

847
00:33:01,090 --> 00:33:02,630
Golden handcuffs thing, wasn't
it?

848
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,760
You can't move for three years,
but here's. 6 grand, yeah.

849
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:06,380
Then they used to have that
power and they did it all the

850
00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:08,570
time and they just don't.
I think the system still exists,

851
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:11,600
they just don't have the budget.
So there is no retention

852
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:14,360
bonuses.
But yeah, overall I think scrap,

853
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:16,600
scrap, the performance rate
related pay because it does just

854
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:18,090
get abused.
I don't actually think it works

855
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:19,490
very well.
I think we need to be very

856
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:22,050
careful about what comes in, in
its place.

857
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:24,020
There has to be, you know in the
same way we talk about Ofsted

858
00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:26,810
later, there has to be something
I guess that makes sure people

859
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:29,330
are doing their job properly.
But I don't think we should link

860
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,700
it to, but I just you know the
standard pay.

861
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,320
Scale there going out for more
trust army when you join in the

862
00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:37,950
state agency or if you join in
the shortage broker or have you

863
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,190
join anything that's kind of in
the High Street and there's

864
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680
there's this kind of performance
related pay thing and you're

865
00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:45,490
earning your stripes and and it
helps you to train more and get

866
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:47,170
better.
It's an incentive to improve,

867
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:49,190
right.
That's very different to us

868
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,010
who've done years of training
and our professionals and have

869
00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:53,750
done stuff in.
There has to be a level of trust

870
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,430
here.
Yeah, it's not the same as some

871
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,480
sales job that a 16 year old can
walk into on the High Street.

872
00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:02,630
We don't need to have the same
kind of pay performance level.

873
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,470
We are already qualified, have
passed strenuous tests.

874
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,239
We are professional teachers.
I think there has to be

875
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:10,969
reflected in how we're paid.
We don't then have to justify

876
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:14,010
every year like yes, we have to
have something in place, but I

877
00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:15,130
think at the minute it's not
working.

878
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:17,219
But luckily the government
they've reacted to a couple of

879
00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:18,880
these things already.
They've said they're going to

880
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:21,739
urgently rapidly review this and
try and replace PRP.

881
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,790
Well, fortunately paid by the
excitement by next year a less

882
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,070
bureaucratic way to manage
performance fairly and

883
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,590
transparent and that's only a
good thing.

884
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,210
But watch this space we'll see.
I think that's a good thing.

885
00:34:31,219 --> 00:34:33,449
Yeah.
Next thing on the list this

886
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,300
again all of these are really
interesting to me.

887
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:36,710
This is something you're really
passionate about.

888
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,650
So I'm gonna introduce I want
you to crack on with it.

889
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,620
It's the idea that they've said
okay schools and trusts because

890
00:34:42,630 --> 00:34:45,730
this is something we come on to
later schools around by local

891
00:34:45,739 --> 00:34:48,440
councils.
Trusts are their own kind of

892
00:34:48,449 --> 00:34:50,060
business.
Lots of schools are moving to

893
00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:51,699
trusts.
You don't quite understand the

894
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:52,679
difference.
We'll go into that later.

895
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:54,840
But just for now know that
trusts have more autonomy.

896
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,550
Schools are more answerable to
local authority.

897
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Council.
Yeah.

898
00:34:58,090 --> 00:34:59,800
Yeah.
So schools and trusts should

899
00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:03,520
consider assigning a senior
leader with dedicated.

900
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:04,880
So this is their debt, that's
it.

901
00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:08,400
Their responsibility is simply
to improve well-being and reduce

902
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:10,640
workload.
Now we see this in schools at

903
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,890
the minute.
This does happen sometimes, but

904
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:17,180
it might often be a teacher, a
teaching assistant, a side thing

905
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:20,110
to tick off for their like, you
know, that's my appraisal target

906
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,820
is for well-being.
There might be a questionnaire

907
00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:23,810
every now and then.
This is very different.

908
00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:27,570
Senior leader.
Yeah, dedicated to well-being

909
00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:29,350
and reducing workload.
Why is that so?

910
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,370
Important right?
Someone in the SLT doing this is

911
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,440
so so important and already even
like the should consider.

912
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:36,820
I'm like no, that needs to not
be.

913
00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:38,400
I should consider it should be
as important as.

914
00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:40,290
Does your school need a deputy
head teacher?

915
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,190
Yes.
OK.

916
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,390
They also you also need this
person.

917
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,150
So important.
I think it's fair to say that

918
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:49,580
none of this will happen.
This change will never ever

919
00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:52,280
happen or become another one of
the 1000 mix that we have in

920
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:55,000
teaching, because so much of
teacher education world is just

921
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:57,460
a gimmick, just gimmick after
gimmick after gimmick after

922
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:59,420
promise after promise after
broken, whatever.

923
00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:03,040
I don't think any of this will
happen if we don't have someone

924
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:06,560
who is wholly accountable for
it, Someone high up that leads

925
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:08,740
this is, you know, involved in
leading the school.

926
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:12,100
Absolutely.
Like their job is on the line

927
00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:14,340
for doing this, you know?
I mean, it's part of their job.

928
00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:15,570
It'd be like us walking into
school.

929
00:36:15,580 --> 00:36:17,000
I'm like, Nah, I'm not teaching
today.

930
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:18,980
That's how.
That's how serious it would be

931
00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:21,060
taken if they said no, I'm not
going to, we're not going to do

932
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:22,110
well-being.
No, no, no.

933
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,590
Your school doesn't function
without this, you know, this

934
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,370
doesn't.
It's broken.

935
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:28,490
Now you need this person.
So yes, very, very passionate

936
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:31,540
about this, purely because I
just think that without the

937
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:33,780
accountability it will not
happen.

938
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,860
The big word for me in there is
dedicated, because what I can

939
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:38,790
see happening a lot now, maybe
it's already happening.

940
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,490
People have experience of this,
someone already an SLT who has a

941
00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:46,080
kind of responsibility already.
Let's say it's EM provision.

942
00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:48,870
Let's say it's teaching and
learning across the school like

943
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,550
this really big thing.
We'll also tag on the end.

944
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,430
I'm also well-being manager and
that there is immediately a

945
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,210
detriment.
Like there is immediately kind

946
00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:59,170
of a crossroads there if they're
gonna clash.

947
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:03,670
Because objectively, if you are
leading teaching and learning in

948
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,670
the school and you're leading
SEM provision by by default,

949
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:10,750
every year for SN is getting
more and more children who need

950
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:12,890
special provisions.
That's true.

951
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:14,980
And every year, for teaching and
learning, it feels like there's

952
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:16,540
something else that's going to
happen that we're going to.

953
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:18,930
Have to stand as a higher.
Higher frameworks, the bars,

954
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:20,090
higher.
We've got to get up the league

955
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,560
tables immediately.
Your gut there on how to fix

956
00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:25,640
that will be to increase
workload for your staff because

957
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:26,840
they've got to deliver different
things.

958
00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:29,000
They got to plan more stuff,
they've got to write more ieps,

959
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:32,400
They've got to you know apply
for some funding for for these

960
00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:34,360
children in their class.
They've got to put extra time in

961
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:36,960
to help them.
Your initial thought there is,

962
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:40,720
OK, more work for those guys,
but your well-being manager just

963
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:42,520
offer them a younger class at
end of the time.

964
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,840
It will be that's.
What's so dedicated is really

965
00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:47,670
important to me because the
responsibility should be for a

966
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,090
well-being manager is to have an
ear on the ground, and you are

967
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,930
representing your staff at that
point who are representing the

968
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:55,840
school.
It could even be that a teacher

969
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:57,400
joins SLT.
Hmm.

970
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,740
But they're still just a
teacher.

971
00:37:58,750 --> 00:38:01,200
But they join SLT meetings.
Yeah, they're there on that.

972
00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:04,040
When decisions are made, the
well-being manager, whose sole

973
00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:06,300
job is to be, well-being
manager, has to be there to say

974
00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:10,030
OK, well what's the payoff?
For example, I know in our

975
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,890
school last year we did this big
rollout of a new curriculum in

976
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,800
the afternoon, which is
fantastic.

977
00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:17,290
It's a really good curriculum,
but it was a lot of work for our

978
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:19,050
staff.
It was a lot of work.

979
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:21,850
We're maths leads.
There's no well-being manager in

980
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:25,180
our school, but as mass it would
be very easy for us to walk in

981
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:27,450
and say, OK, cool.
By the way, we are completely

982
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:30,730
revamping how we do times tables
across the entire school also,

983
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,200
and the planning, it's OK, but I
think for these three topics we

984
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:35,780
need to take.
This course with new scheme.

985
00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:38,720
We're gonna go to a new scheme.
Yeah, we we absolutely could

986
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:40,920
have walked in and said that.
And we have the backing of our

987
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:43,770
SLT, which is, which is really
nice to be in that position

988
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,370
where we know that if we think
something's good, SLT will have

989
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:49,810
our back.
But we also had to consciously

990
00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:53,250
be say to ourselves, no, there
may be things that are

991
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:56,440
objectively for maths if
everyone does them right now.

992
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:59,040
But during this time where,
including us as class teachers,

993
00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:01,940
we're planning more and more for
an afternoon curriculum, we have

994
00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:04,340
to balance it out.
And the idea of someone, yeah,

995
00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:07,020
the idea of someone being
dedicated in SLT, that would

996
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:09,020
already be on the table before
it got to us.

997
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:11,550
It would be, it would be a
linchpin where they've got all

998
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,590
their fingers in all the pies
they know the English team are

999
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,550
planning, revamping this, this
curriculum.

1000
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,100
They know their history leads
over there thinking all we need

1001
00:39:18,110 --> 00:39:20,400
to add in some extra tasks at
the end of each unit.

1002
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:23,360
They're going to have all of
that in their mind thinking, OK,

1003
00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:26,200
well, this in English League.
If we're going to do this, I

1004
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:28,000
need to go and talk to these
other guys because we can't

1005
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:30,510
introduce that yet.
It's gonna be a timetable thing.

1006
00:39:30,580 --> 00:39:33,950
It has to be proactive because
we've seen what schools like.

1007
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,410
You can go for a lull in a
school.

1008
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:37,370
It's very rare.
But you can go for a lull where

1009
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,870
everything's kind of chugging
along.

1010
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,590
It's like, OK, well, we've just
changed that.

1011
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,930
It's OK At the minute, suddenly
three different subject leads

1012
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:46,540
will get really passionate about
something, which is great from

1013
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:47,970
their point of view.
And I think, OK, look,

1014
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:49,390
everything's running along.
It's quite quiet.

1015
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,970
Let's do this.
Now let's let's do that.

1016
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,340
All of a sudden, within the
time, you've got 4 curriculums

1017
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:55,030
to change.
Yeah, you've got four things to

1018
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,430
do.
So I think that's really

1019
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,850
important.
It was interesting to me, the

1020
00:39:57,860 --> 00:39:59,710
government replied to quite a
few of these things.

1021
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,010
It didn't reply to this.
They've got a history, haven't

1022
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:03,170
they?
Have kind of not liking this

1023
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:05,080
idea.
You know I've my genuine

1024
00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:06,810
thoughts are right.
I think it's a bit of a Unicorn

1025
00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:09,710
role.
I I reckon I have to see it to

1026
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:11,450
believe it right?
Because I'm thinking about this

1027
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:15,150
scenario where we go from what
we are now to having dedicated

1028
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,350
well-being leaders in schools.
Right.

1029
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,730
How do we get there right
they've got to employ someone.

1030
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:23,190
What are the chances that a
school that maybe is a bit more

1031
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,930
toxic actually go no, we're
gonna do the right thing this

1032
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:27,000
time.
We're gonna employ someone that

1033
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:29,880
really will challenge us.
What's the chances they do that

1034
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:32,840
Or they employ someone that they
know will just be they can just

1035
00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:34,800
puppet master again.
Yeah, like, I think it's gonna

1036
00:40:34,810 --> 00:40:37,160
be a really, really, really,
really hard thing to actually

1037
00:40:37,170 --> 00:40:40,160
get schools that really need
this to go from having horrible

1038
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:43,810
workload and terribly toxic
schools to employing one person

1039
00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:46,840
who hasn't got the the
confidence to come in and.

1040
00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:50,820
Say.
Yeah, we've got the confidence

1041
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:53,600
to challenge it and actually
make a difference because I just

1042
00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:55,710
don't.
I think it's going to be really

1043
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,320
hard for schools.
To do that and and and you're

1044
00:40:57,330 --> 00:40:59,710
right, because it will be easy
to do in schools where already

1045
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:00,760
you can have that.
Dialogue.

1046
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:03,070
So ohh, I've got this.
I've got this teacher in year

1047
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,230
six who already have tonnes of
work and it's totally on on the

1048
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,420
head teacher now.
Right now thinking OK I'm going

1049
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:09,930
to see if she will be the work,
the well-being and workload

1050
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:12,080
manager because I tell you what
she'll just do whatever I say.

1051
00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:13,510
She's trying to work out her
career.

1052
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,090
You do that.
OK, we all, we tick the boxes,

1053
00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:19,640
we've got, we've got it now all
look how good we are and

1054
00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:22,000
actually not doing anything.
Yeah, I think that could happen.

1055
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:23,610
So we have to be really, really
careful.

1056
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:25,960
However, it does leave me on to
the next point, the next point

1057
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:28,520
here as well, because when I
read this, my first thought was

1058
00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:30,260
OK, someone needs to keep their
head teacher in check.

1059
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:30,790
Them.
Sure.

1060
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,720
Because because yeah, by by, by
proxy, everyone SLT your head

1061
00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:34,530
teacher stole your.
Boss.

1062
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:36,470
Yeah, exactly.
And actually the chances are

1063
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,110
you're going to be closer to
them and anyone else in the

1064
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,930
school and probably trying to
impress them, trying to be on

1065
00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:41,570
their side.
Sure, because you're a team at

1066
00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:44,270
that point, right?
But the next point I was like,

1067
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,160
this is good because the next
point here is DfE may want to

1068
00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:49,500
consider having a designated
governor as well-being champion.

1069
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:53,170
Now again, if you're not in
schools, head teacher is at the

1070
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:55,230
top of the pile really.
And the only thing that keeps

1071
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,710
them accountable and kind of a
local day-to-day basis or week

1072
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,910
to week basis is the governors,
the governing body of the

1073
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,060
school, who are all volunteers.
And I just think, yeah, if we've

1074
00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:08,440
got our volunteer coming to the
school, that's way more likely

1075
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:10,670
that you'll be able to find a
good volunteer governor who is

1076
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,350
super passionate about
well-being without the head

1077
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,050
teacher being able to maybe have
their, you know, to fight that

1078
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:19,570
off or, you know, make a bit.
More of And we've seen how

1079
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,130
sometimes head teachers get when
they know governors are on the.

1080
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:23,330
Case.
Exactly right.

1081
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:24,840
And some head teachers, you
know, I've got a good

1082
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:26,790
relationship, their governors
and maybe they've managed to

1083
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,580
find a way to have that kind of
thing.

1084
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,020
But actually there's a good
chance that you could get in a

1085
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:35,520
governor of a school who is
like, no, I'm not, you know,

1086
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:37,020
this is the head, this is not
good enough.

1087
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:39,530
The head teacher is absolutely
just employing people that that

1088
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:41,720
will do what they say and not
doing the job properly.

1089
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:43,910
So no.
So having the governor above the

1090
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,840
head and having an an SLT member
below the head teacher in terms

1091
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:51,870
of job hierarchy, both dedicated
to well-being, I think.

1092
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:53,560
I think it could.
Work.

1093
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:56,720
OK, so that was advocate here,
my favourite role to play.

1094
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:59,380
My friends, they used to say
were at union stuff because I

1095
00:42:59,390 --> 00:43:01,880
just like debating and arguing.
They'd they'd call it Dylan's

1096
00:43:01,890 --> 00:43:03,580
advocate.
It's just replace the devil.

1097
00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:07,710
So just do that now.
Yeah, OK You're head teacher in

1098
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,220
a school that is struggling.
You've got staff who, you know

1099
00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:12,800
take shortcuts because they're
fed up.

1100
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:15,530
I've been there before.
I know nothing against the staff

1101
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:18,080
for doing so.
You've got Ofsted due.

1102
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:21,200
OK, this has just been released.
You need to put a well-being

1103
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:24,030
manager below and above you in
the governors and in the SLT.

1104
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,330
Yeah, you really want to
implement change to improve the

1105
00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:28,620
outcomes for your school, but
they are blocking you every Rd

1106
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:30,700
because inevitably change means
work.

1107
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,550
What on earth is the solution
there?

1108
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,950
Do you let the school stagnate?
I think that's when it comes.

1109
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,630
I think that's when a good head
teacher puts together a proper

1110
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,460
report, a proper report, because
I think they've got to have

1111
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:41,750
they.
Still, in what way report?

1112
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,600
Report as in to report to the
governors maybe with this

1113
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:46,110
well-being person in line saying
right.

1114
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,750
Appreciate the these are the
concerns you've raised.

1115
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:50,600
This is this is our future of
our school.

1116
00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:52,060
Right.
And actually put together, say

1117
00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:54,040
here are numbers.
If we change all of this at once

1118
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:55,950
then it might have this effect.
I understand we can't.

1119
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:58,390
If we don't change anything,
sure this is where our standards

1120
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,710
are going right now as a school.
And I think a good head teacher

1121
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,190
has that persuasion ability, has
that ability to look at to plan

1122
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,660
for the future, look at the
school action plan and saying

1123
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:09,750
yeah, no, you know no one wants
to do extra work.

1124
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,090
But if we don't at least put in
a B&C, then this is what's gonna

1125
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:15,360
happen to our school.
We're gonna, you know, our

1126
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:17,670
standards are gonna keep
declining if it's one of those

1127
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,160
schools.
Because it's rare that it's

1128
00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:20,900
seven things going wrong.
At once, yeah.

1129
00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:24,010
And it might just be that the
plan is not that we're not gonna

1130
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:26,230
do these things at all, is I
imagine that a well-being

1131
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,650
manager's role is to be like,
OK, can we not do the seven

1132
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:30,150
things at once?
Could we space them?

1133
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,740
Out, Yeah, Because.
You think gonna do stuff.

1134
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:32,790
Yeah.
Of course we are.

1135
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,660
We.
I think if any teachers take

1136
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:36,550
this away of like yes, no more
change.

1137
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,350
You need to drop that.
That's not how it works.

1138
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,350
And actually that's a port that
is actually a poor attitude.

1139
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,290
I think to to education.
Of course stuff has to change

1140
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:44,550
it.
It moves the times.

1141
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,550
It moves with your cohort.
Yeah.

1142
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,470
You cohorts.
Your kids change every year.

1143
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,690
Every year that goes by.
So I think a head teacher's role

1144
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:51,950
is to go like, yeah, OK this is
our ideal world.

1145
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,790
I now thank you well-being.
Nigerian governor.

1146
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,680
I appreciate that.
Actually, doing that I probably

1147
00:44:55,690 --> 00:44:57,520
would lose 7 of my staff.
Yeah.

1148
00:44:57,610 --> 00:44:59,820
Going off long term sick because
it's too stressful.

1149
00:44:59,950 --> 00:45:02,020
Here's our new plan.
Do we all agree on it?

1150
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:04,560
Do we think this is manageable?
We're going to do this thing

1151
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:07,120
first and then next year we're
gonna do that thing and the year

1152
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:09,220
after we'll review it and
hopefully we'll put in these

1153
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:10,810
other things and I think that's
what we'll go ahead.

1154
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:12,180
Teacher will do.
They won't just go.

1155
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:13,880
OK you're fine.
Have a pair of Paddy.

1156
00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:15,660
Fine.
We'll watch the standards drop

1157
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:16,820
then call.
You're not.

1158
00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:17,380
Don't be.
Don't.

1159
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:19,060
Be I actually think
collaboration is really

1160
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:21,040
important.
And I think if if these roles do

1161
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:24,810
happen and those people in the
same way a head teacher, a rogue

1162
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:27,110
head teacher might right now go
rogue and say we're doing all of

1163
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,490
this right now.
If if the well-being people come

1164
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:32,270
in and say we're doing nothing
ever, that's equally poor for

1165
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,250
school.
So I think having them in the

1166
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:35,730
1st place, they're going to be
really defined.

1167
00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:37,370
It needs to be collaborative.
Yes.

1168
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:39,720
Their first thought is,
well-being the head teachers.

1169
00:45:39,730 --> 00:45:40,970
First thought is progress.
Yeah.

1170
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:43,100
You know, come together meet in
the middle and talk to you.

1171
00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:44,220
That's how it comes about
dialogue.

1172
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:45,990
That's how it can work.
However, the government have

1173
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,410
always been very reluctant to
kind of introduce anything like

1174
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:50,580
this, but they're very much
like, no, we'll leave it to the

1175
00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:53,110
schools, knowing full well that
schools can eat as much out.

1176
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,230
Because they think that pandas
in that scenario standards could

1177
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,590
drop a.
Bit well, look, OK.

1178
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,870
Do you agree that objectively
they would?

1179
00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:04,340
I actually don't, and I'll tell
you why, OK, cuz I was thinking

1180
00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:05,650
this thing.
They probably wouldn't, but

1181
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:07,550
actually.
If you did, I think.

1182
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,410
In all these scenarios, we
always, always take out the fact

1183
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:13,250
that really stressed teachers
don't perform as well.

1184
00:46:13,310 --> 00:46:14,870
Absolutely.
And it's like we never, we never

1185
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,430
include that metric.
It's like, no, no, no, no, no.

1186
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,100
They might get the work done.
But I tell you what, when

1187
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:21,370
they're sick and you've gotta
cover supply and they're doing

1188
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:23,480
it for six months, that's not
going to be as good as your

1189
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:25,590
teacher being there.
I do think we have to take into

1190
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,010
account or it might not be as
good objectively if the seven

1191
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:31,320
things get done over three years
instead of one, because then

1192
00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:32,790
we've had to wait three years
for these things.

1193
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,150
But having really healthy happy
teachers in school probably will

1194
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,370
out offset that in in a positive
way.

1195
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:41,930
I think so.
But we can't measure that.

1196
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:43,270
So the government should they
ignore it.

1197
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,520
So no standards will be.
Worse.

1198
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:45,590
Yeah.
Because, yeah.

1199
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:48,430
And and I think you're
absolutely right and it's

1200
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,150
something I'm coming more
towards you on.

1201
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,870
Never disagreed with you, but
you've always been very staunch.

1202
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,630
That's the absolute most
important thing for anything is

1203
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,870
the well-being of teachers
because of the domino effect.

1204
00:46:57,910 --> 00:47:01,770
And I've always thought, yeah,
you know, but they need to have

1205
00:47:01,780 --> 00:47:04,290
good teaching and and good
lessons right in front of them.

1206
00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:07,310
But I think it is a domino
effect and I think when having

1207
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,600
been in the profession now for
like 8-9 years, you see the

1208
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:11,740
effect.
I felt it.

1209
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:14,960
When I'm happy, when I'm happy
in my job, I do just do more

1210
00:47:15,010 --> 00:47:16,490
genuinely.
And I've seen it online as well.

1211
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,120
I remember I've read it out ages
ago.

1212
00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:20,960
I saw something on Facebook,
someone being like, I hope I

1213
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:22,500
left my old school.
I don't know exactly what it

1214
00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:24,500
was, but it was like I left my
old school where I where I

1215
00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:27,090
refused to do clubs and things
have gone to this new school and

1216
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:28,820
they treat me really nicely and
I feel really happy.

1217
00:47:28,830 --> 00:47:30,120
And now I'm doing clubs
voluntarily.

1218
00:47:30,130 --> 00:47:31,320
Yeah.
And the whole point was like,

1219
00:47:31,330 --> 00:47:32,620
yeah, cause they're happy now.
Look at that.

1220
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:34,490
Standards improved.
Because you know what, That hour

1221
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,680
they're doing a club, they've
saved 2-3 hours of planning.

1222
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:38,310
Yeah, because it's not anymore.
They just feel valued.

1223
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,770
They just feel like, yeah, I'm
happy.

1224
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:41,660
So I'll do this for the kids
rather than I'm stressed.

1225
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:43,530
I need to go home.
I'm get away from this.

1226
00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:46,090
Place I've gotta say, and it's
not down to the score anything.

1227
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,360
It's just down to like I think
being ground down after years

1228
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:50,870
and years the system and like
the government kind of

1229
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,430
disrespecting as in my opinion
constantly about paying stuff

1230
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,230
where I do miss.
I've said it before on the

1231
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,500
podcast miss doing things with
the children because it's fun

1232
00:47:59,830 --> 00:48:01,680
and and that's usually in
lunchtime club.

1233
00:48:01,690 --> 00:48:04,620
I used to just have kids in at
lunchtime because they wanted to

1234
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:06,710
come in and do some colouring
and but yeah of course you can

1235
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,330
I'm only marketing you come and
sit down whereas I know for a

1236
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:11,400
fact now said it a million times
they come at lunch and like no

1237
00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:14,680
I've got to prep I've got to do
this I've got to mark and also

1238
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:16,670
even if I don't do you know what
I just want 5 minutes.

1239
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,340
Yeah and I think it's all
acceptable but I miss being that

1240
00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:23,900
person who is driven solely by
the kids outcomes and I think

1241
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:26,980
that makes for a better teacher.
I feel like that's been grounded

1242
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:28,880
out because of the system and I
want the system.

1243
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:30,720
To change, I do think that was
that was our Unicorn years

1244
00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:32,500
though in terms of we have we've
got kids now.

1245
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:34,880
Yeah like our our lives
personally are very different as

1246
00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:35,640
well.
So I think that does.

1247
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:38,170
Also, if I don't mark half an
hour at lunch, I go home half an

1248
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:39,690
hour later.
Yeah, and then you see Rory for

1249
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:41,900
half an hour less.
It's like it's it does suck.

1250
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:43,410
I'm definitely feeling that
pinch.

1251
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:46,700
Obviously Rivers 8 weeks now
coming up to 9 weeks and every

1252
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:50,580
single day by 3:30, all I'm
thinking of is I want to go home

1253
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:51,800
because I want to give her a
cuddle.

1254
00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:54,840
I've been away from my little
like child.

1255
00:48:54,850 --> 00:48:57,900
So little I know, and she's not.
Or even when they're four.

1256
00:48:57,910 --> 00:49:00,010
I think that but they're.
So precious, I got really sad

1257
00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:02,880
last week and I genuinely felt
like actually upset because

1258
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:04,850
because I had a cold.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1259
00:49:04,860 --> 00:49:07,170
And and I obviously when in
those first few days when you

1260
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,770
have a cold and you actually are
contagious as anything.

1261
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:11,530
And I had a nasty cough and I
just felt.

1262
00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:12,770
Rubbish You miss swimming,
didn't you?

1263
00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:14,110
Yeah, I miss you guys went
swimming.

1264
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,640
I didn't come and I just tried
to stay away from river as well

1265
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:17,930
as much as I could in the house.
I didn't care.

1266
00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:21,000
I didn't cuddle her and it was
like 4 days and after about four

1267
00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:24,350
I genuinely felt I was like,
God, like the four days in a

1268
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,880
race in proportion of her life
is quite a big chunk so far.

1269
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,460
It's like I've missed a big
chunk of her eight weeks so far,

1270
00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:31,170
just we're having four.
Days changing quickly.

1271
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:32,340
Yeah, and I was like, what she
what?

1272
00:49:32,350 --> 00:49:33,940
She forgets me.
And I started going down these

1273
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:35,370
stupid avenues.
Of course you won't.

1274
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:37,130
But I was like, no, but feeling
sorry for myself.

1275
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,000
Like what if she now doesn't
now?

1276
00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:41,100
Now she's used to only seeing
Lawrence and she doesn't trust

1277
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:43,120
me being around anymore.
And I was like, oh God, well,

1278
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:44,520
I've been at work.
I feel like this.

1279
00:49:44,530 --> 00:49:46,240
I'm like ohh should not see me
for 10 hours.

1280
00:49:46,310 --> 00:49:53,370
My, my mum and stepdad went to a
care home and where my nannies,

1281
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:55,400
Yeah.
And there was COVID in the care

1282
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:57,530
home.
My nan didn't have COVID, but my

1283
00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:59,290
parents didn't have COVID
either.

1284
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:03,570
But they both were like, OK,
we're not going to come just to

1285
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:05,130
be safe.
And we were like, that's really

1286
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:06,850
thank you, because you don't
know if COVID.

1287
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:10,630
It meant that they didn't see
Rory for like it was between 10

1288
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,130
and 14 days.
They didn't come to.

1289
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:14,250
You didn't come see because they
thought, you know, we'll stay

1290
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:16,170
away.
It was just after Christmas,

1291
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:17,580
right?
So we saw them at Christmas.

1292
00:50:17,590 --> 00:50:19,310
They've been to the camp.
They found out there was COVID

1293
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,450
and they were like, we need to
keep going to the care home.

1294
00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:24,310
We're the only people who go and
see her very regularly so we

1295
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,440
need to keep going to the care
home.

1296
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:28,240
But whilst there's COVID in the
care home, we won't come and see

1297
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:30,590
you even if we've got symptoms
of symptomless or anything like

1298
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,100
that.
And they came to see him and we

1299
00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:35,200
worked out like they they missed
12% of his life.

1300
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:37,890
Hmm.
And when you as a percentage,

1301
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:41,720
you know, obviously, but at that
.12% had gone past.

1302
00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:43,150
Yeah.
And they were like he's changed

1303
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,350
so much because it was nearly
two weeks and it's so precious

1304
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,960
right now.
And again, it's things like

1305
00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:50,910
this, you know, I wanted to
change as soon as possible if we

1306
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,510
have more children or just for
anyone joining the job.

1307
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,830
Just just.
I just wanna healthier,

1308
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,370
healthier, work life balance.
That's all it is.

1309
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:59,350
Yeah, it's got to be healthy.
So next one is the only other

1310
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,970
thing the government has
responded to.

1311
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,440
OK, so I'm looking at the time.
This might be a slightly longer

1312
00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:04,450
one, but I'm really enjoying
this.

1313
00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:08,140
So guys, strapping the next one
the government responded to

1314
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:12,050
straight away is the idea that
the schools might want to

1315
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:16,020
consider using inset time to
look at addressing workload.

1316
00:51:16,270 --> 00:51:18,980
Now that in itself sounds.
Fine.

1317
00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:20,110
Do you wanna explain in set
time?

1318
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,100
For Yeah, so anyone doesn't know
inset days are those, I think

1319
00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:24,010
they used to be called Baker
days after someone in the

1320
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:27,380
government who invented them.
They're just days where as

1321
00:51:27,390 --> 00:51:31,000
teachers we've got to teach
children for 190 days in a year

1322
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:34,460
and we've got to be available
for 195 days.

1323
00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:37,800
And that five days difference is
when, for example, if you've got

1324
00:51:37,810 --> 00:51:40,410
kids and they don't go in on the
first day after time or they

1325
00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:41,770
don't go in the last day of
time.

1326
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:44,500
Or maybe your school puts all 5
into one week and you get an

1327
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:47,340
extra week off on 1/2 time
somewhere in October or in in

1328
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:49,870
the summer.
And so those days are used for

1329
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,140
training.
So that time specifically is OK

1330
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:55,110
you're getting paid for this
teachers, but you're gonna be

1331
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,680
trained to be trained not be
you're not with the kids.

1332
00:51:57,690 --> 00:52:00,500
It's just you go in and you
might have a morning of training

1333
00:52:00,510 --> 00:52:02,070
and an afternoon of getting your
classroom ready.

1334
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,650
It's the start of the year or
something like that.

1335
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:07,950
We have five of them a year.
So the idea of using inset time

1336
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,520
to address workload, great, but
they went one step.

1337
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:13,220
However, the Commission who were
trying to reduce workload and

1338
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,810
said you might also want to
consider adding an additional

1339
00:52:15,820 --> 00:52:18,170
inset day.
The point being that if there

1340
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:20,440
are workload reduction
taskforce, it's quite funny for

1341
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:22,820
them to come out and say do this
as well, but in the same amount

1342
00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:24,320
of time.
So I can imagine they were

1343
00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:26,610
Saturday going OK, we can't
really say this because it means

1344
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:30,450
less stuff gets done.
OK Also, have another inset day.

1345
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:32,410
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it'll be 6 a year.

1346
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:33,610
Makes sense.
Have six.

1347
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:35,630
It was 6 terms for Christ.
Yeah, it's true.

1348
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:36,540
How?
Six anyway.

1349
00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:39,330
Yeah, like the only the only
thing I suppose there would be

1350
00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:41,970
like, does it mean one less way
of learning for the children?

1351
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:43,100
Yeah.
If that's true, there's a whole

1352
00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:45,320
absence scandal.
We'll do a podcast on that soon

1353
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:47,990
So the government can't be seen
to be taking hours of school.

1354
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,090
I get that.
Or do you pay us an extra nought

1355
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:54,310
.5% for an extra one day out of
200 or something like that?

1356
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,140
How would it work to have an
extra inset day?

1357
00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:58,170
Would it just be for free?
And then in that case, that's

1358
00:52:58,180 --> 00:53:00,110
worse.
So I can see why the government

1359
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,170
did come out and say, no, there
won't be another they're insert.

1360
00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:05,830
They don't think that's the
right course of action.

1361
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,630
I don't necessarily disagree
with that.

1362
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,900
Again, I might.
I might think that we could fit

1363
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:12,560
in another one like you, but I
don't think that's a awful

1364
00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:15,300
government decision because at
the end of the day, it's another

1365
00:53:15,310 --> 00:53:18,280
day with the children in school,
kids in school, you know, after

1366
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:20,720
COVID and strikes, whether
people in the media likes to

1367
00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:23,800
think or not, I love my kids to
be in school and I want them in

1368
00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:26,650
front of me so I can teach them.
That's like the number one thing

1369
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:28,520
that I could ask for.
We're going to do a whole

1370
00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:30,600
session on absence.
It's crazy at the minute.

1371
00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:33,300
But yeah, Instead, basically the
government say they're to work

1372
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:35,700
with schools and try and make
use of the current 5 days.

1373
00:53:35,710 --> 00:53:37,300
And I don't think that's a bad
thing.

1374
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:42,840
So you know, Hayden, going back
to the initial point though, how

1375
00:53:42,850 --> 00:53:46,660
helpful really is it for a
workload reduction force to say,

1376
00:53:46,810 --> 00:53:48,990
yeah, use insects to reduce
workload?

1377
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:52,030
What when there's already stuff?
Insects are a weird one.

1378
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,890
I've been at schools where you
have the classic one day at the

1379
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:57,030
start of each term you go in but
the kids aren't in.

1380
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,520
And I've also worked in schools
where you get the it's all

1381
00:54:00,530 --> 00:54:03,280
banded into an extra week off as
insects and you do it all in one

1382
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:06,470
go.
Well, yeah, if it's a if it's a

1383
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,610
week off, just everyone knows
the people with the week off

1384
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:10,570
aren't necessarily just getting
away with not doing 5.

1385
00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:11,870
Days.
No, there's always.

1386
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,970
Split into, you know, doing
extra stuff in your time.

1387
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:16,970
It might be that you do some
twilights during the times.

1388
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:19,450
It might be that you do clubs or
whatever it is, the hours.

1389
00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:21,910
Are the hours are yeah.
Rack up somewhere else?

1390
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,100
I don't know, I just maybe I'm
just being a bit sceptical.

1391
00:54:24,110 --> 00:54:29,200
Anyway, in sets to me, five days
or six days, I don't know if

1392
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:30,150
it's gonna make much.
Difference.

1393
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,780
Well, I don't think this is
about, this isn't about doing

1394
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:35,120
less work.
This is about, you know, like

1395
00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:38,050
you go into inset day, you might
have training on maths in the

1396
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:38,580
morning.
Yeah.

1397
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:40,550
And like there's this new
approach, like when master was

1398
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,520
introduced in 2014 and new
curriculum, there was a lot of

1399
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:46,060
CPD going on about how to teach
mastery properly.

1400
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:50,120
This is saying, OK, in that we
get training on CPD, we get

1401
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:53,320
training on mass training on
technology, training on English

1402
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:55,930
writing.
In the same way, we need to have

1403
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:57,830
dedicated time to have a
collaborative approach.

1404
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,290
You spoke about what everyone
has to be in the same room, and

1405
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,770
the only thing you're all
discussing is well-being and

1406
00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:06,080
workload, right?
Do you do you think?

1407
00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:08,150
For that I get you now.
Sorry, Yeah, so do.

1408
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,250
Yeah.
So it's basically saying, OK, we

1409
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:13,210
might have to do a bit less
training on history or maths

1410
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:16,710
over the five days, but maybe
half of one of the day all

1411
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,210
everyone is in a room and you
have that discussion.

1412
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,560
I don't necessarily think that
will, in a toxic school, bring

1413
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:24,780
them back much change.
Whatsoever.

1414
00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:27,200
No, I'm not.
I don't know if a weird I don't

1415
00:55:27,210 --> 00:55:29,840
agree with the government, but I
don't really disagree with me

1416
00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:31,260
though to be honest.
In what way?

1417
00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:33,500
In in the fact that I'm saying
no you you've got 5.

1418
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:35,260
Just just.
Ohh, I agree with that, yeah.

1419
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:36,740
Just really just reschedule
your.

1420
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:38,110
Year.
But do you think it would even

1421
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,830
be useful to do that?
What do you think will come out

1422
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,320
of doing that?
I think it be useful like one

1423
00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:45,780
time at the start of all this.
Would you like to keep it up?

1424
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:48,640
You might have to but to set the
culture maybe to be like this is

1425
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:50,920
a thing now that we do yeah
maybe it is worth doing it once

1426
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:53,180
once a year, once per year in
one of the insects.

1427
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:55,960
Just talking about well-being
and like what the score would be

1428
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:58,890
quite interesting to explore how
in that day, here's our school

1429
00:55:58,970 --> 00:56:01,360
and for the year and how we're
gonna tackle work load and

1430
00:56:01,370 --> 00:56:03,140
you're all part of it.
We've all got to do it in the

1431
00:56:03,150 --> 00:56:05,190
same way that if I introduce a
new math scheme, we've all got

1432
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,880
to do it for a year and then we
can evaluate.

1433
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:10,230
It I guess now knowing in in
ahead of time over the year what

1434
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:11,520
you'll be introducing is called
as well.

1435
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:14,140
If you've got the SLT member and
that governor like we talked

1436
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:16,620
about earlier, it would be cool
to go to your staff at the start

1437
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:18,880
of the year I think and say
right, this year, look we're

1438
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:22,180
looking to transform the writing
curriculum and we're also

1439
00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:24,860
looking to transform the history
curriculum for example.

1440
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:27,120
At least then you could sit down
and say OK, right.

1441
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:29,910
If we're going to do that then
we have to agree now with

1442
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,110
everyone in the room.
Maths leads, we're just going to

1443
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,520
keep chugging along, you know,
art leads.

1444
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:36,600
We're gonna not do that
competition this year because

1445
00:56:36,610 --> 00:56:39,470
that was extra workload, because
we're gonna put X amount of

1446
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,250
hours extra into doing this.
We have to find X amount of

1447
00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:44,630
hours somewhere else to not.
Put it in, we were gonna do on

1448
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,860
our fifth insert day this year.
We're going to revamp their

1449
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:48,770
geography quickly as well.
But we can't do that because

1450
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:50,410
we've now got this inset on
well-being.

1451
00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:51,950
So actually, it's already
working.

1452
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,290
We've got one lesson that day
this year to revamp another.

1453
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:55,540
Curriculum.
No, Just your own time.

1454
00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:58,500
Now, yeah, that's what was it.
Ideally, schools, you know,

1455
00:56:58,510 --> 00:56:59,900
let's say they've got 5 insects
and.

1456
00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:01,000
Right.
And in each one they're gonna do

1457
00:57:01,010 --> 00:57:02,040
some training.
Ideally.

1458
00:57:02,110 --> 00:57:04,910
What, just drop one of them now,
You now get rid of one of those

1459
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,090
and you put this workload in.
Yeah.

1460
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,550
What's gonna happen is in those
kinds of schools is like, cool,

1461
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,640
Now we're gonna squish 55
incidents.

1462
00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:12,100
Yeah.
Training into four.

1463
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:13,110
Yeah.
And then have.

1464
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,280
This and then when we finish,
go, OK guys, carry on.

1465
00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:17,140
Yeah, you finish that off in
your own time.

1466
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:19,680
So realistically, just having a
sick one does kind of make sense

1467
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:23,130
to me because that way it's just
it's the middle ground, I think.

1468
00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:25,720
I know we're gonna talk about
absence, but my honest opinion

1469
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:28,160
is losing.
Losing one day at the start of

1470
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:30,100
the last, like you've lost the
day at the start of every term.

1471
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:31,530
One.
Let's say you do it that way.

1472
00:57:31,590 --> 00:57:33,070
Losing one more day.
OK, fine.

1473
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,140
One.
Mitigate it.

1474
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:35,170
We'll make up for it.
It's fine.

1475
00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:36,590
We can.
We'll go from this in one day, a

1476
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,390
day off on all times apart from
one, to having a day off on all.

1477
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,430
Times all the sixth term.
I just think it all keeps

1478
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,550
missing.
It's different as well.

1479
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,230
If all kids miss a day, it's
very different.

1480
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,640
You just shut everything back,
right?

1481
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,780
And let's be real, like, come
on, How many years go past where

1482
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:53,580
at least one day doesn't kind of
out of nowhere just get

1483
00:57:53,590 --> 00:57:55,510
completely ruined by something
completely.

1484
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,700
And you have to and the kids
aren't.

1485
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,370
You know there's some some fun
day happens or you a day out, a

1486
00:57:59,380 --> 00:58:01,200
trip, whatever.
I like on that.

1487
00:58:01,210 --> 00:58:03,780
We can deal with one day.
One planned day, yeah.

1488
00:58:03,830 --> 00:58:06,120
I think before we go into like
the real juicy thing, that

1489
00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:08,420
really caught my attention.
Like we're gonna hour in before

1490
00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:10,000
we get to the main bit.
No, it's not.

1491
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:11,440
But it's.
I guess it is really.

1492
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:13,340
This is gonna be a long podcast,
guys.

1493
00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:15,060
Hope you're enjoying it.
Haven't, you know, have a

1494
00:58:15,070 --> 00:58:16,780
little.
Don't pause it, keep playing it,

1495
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:18,380
But use this time to just
reflect.

1496
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:21,790
On how people can pause.
It OK, let's do Jingle after

1497
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,180
this because I think we're gonna
come into one part of it now,

1498
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:29,580
which is a list of things that
this body have said teachers

1499
00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:32,490
should not do.
And it's fascinating.

1500
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,190
It's really fascinating.
So I'll come on to that.

1501
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,190
But I think if we're talking
about the general tone of this

1502
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,380
workload reduction task force,
I'm sceptical because the

1503
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:44,090
general tone is all of these
points we talked about.

1504
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:45,880
The two main ones that the
government responded to.

1505
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,950
Yes and no.
OK, whatever.

1506
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,470
The main point of all the rest
is always beyond workload.

1507
00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:54,670
Be ready to change and
manipulate what we say helps

1508
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,030
workload.
Review it every time.

1509
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,250
Have someone across the school
and the governors have someone

1510
00:58:59,260 --> 00:59:01,880
across the school in their
school basically used the

1511
00:59:01,890 --> 00:59:04,200
reduction toolkit push that make
it better.

1512
00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:07,630
Yeah, and that's ongoing thing.
I think that's all fantastic.

1513
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,710
However, I'm really sceptical
about workload being reduced in

1514
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:16,660
school until Ofsted sort out,
Yeah, until until there is not

1515
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:18,450
that pressure on a school to
deliver.

1516
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:21,430
There is only one reason that
we're putting all of this work

1517
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,110
already in as teachers and going
above and beyond.

1518
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:26,990
It's because of the stress of
Ofsted and being held

1519
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,310
accountable and that one word
judgement coming in and

1520
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,390
completely rinsing an entire
profession for everyone who

1521
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,390
works at that school, especially
for the SLT.

1522
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,200
Until we reduce the pressure on
our SLT, who in the most part

1523
00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:43,040
work incredibly hard for our
children and really push amazing

1524
00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:46,470
change forward, it's going to be
between a rock and a hard place

1525
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,900
of teachers saying no, I'm not
working anymore, I'm not doing

1526
00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:50,570
anymore.
And Ofsted saying, well, you've

1527
00:59:50,580 --> 00:59:52,960
got to revamp this whole thing
and work towards all of these

1528
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:54,780
standards that we've just.
Introduced scrap performance

1529
00:59:54,790 --> 00:59:58,130
related pay scrap Ofsted
gradings as well because you

1530
00:59:58,140 --> 00:59:59,780
know what I think I've I've, I
was a head teacher.

1531
00:59:59,790 --> 01:00:02,950
I'd be a lot less worried if I
was sat there thinking yeah this

1532
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,950
workload, even if I was on board
with the workload, right.

1533
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,900
I think this is all great, but
at the end of the day if Ofsted

1534
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:08,960
come in and call us the
required.

1535
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,080
Improvement school will all be
in a worse place.

1536
01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:16,140
Workload and stress, You know,
Just get rid of that horrible,

1537
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:19,050
horrible, stupid grading system.
Yeah, and it is stupid.

1538
01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:20,960
I'm not afraid to say.
That's what's so.

1539
01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:22,500
Stupid.
Stupid, but it is.

1540
01:00:22,510 --> 01:00:24,980
It's just get rid of.
It often needs a revamp.

1541
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:27,430
It needs a complete, complete
revamp that's supposed to

1542
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,480
improve standards.
They don't.

1543
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:29,880
All they do is stress teachers
out.

1544
01:00:30,030 --> 01:00:31,450
They're not even that good at
doing it.

1545
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:33,100
You might get a good inspector.
You might not.

1546
01:00:33,110 --> 01:00:34,920
Potluck.
Mr P says that all the time.

1547
01:00:34,930 --> 01:00:35,950
Yeah, Potluck.
What you?

1548
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,900
Get those.
There's a video recently of a

1549
01:00:38,910 --> 01:00:41,510
head teacher talking about their
parents of Ofsted, and Ofsted

1550
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,990
inspector said to her, If we
don't try and break you as a

1551
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,870
head teacher, how do we know
you're worth it?

1552
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,000
How do we know that you're good
enough?

1553
01:00:48,010 --> 01:00:49,030
For the job, I tell you, I did
watch that.

1554
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,530
I think I was like, is that true
Cause that even that seems, I

1555
01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:53,620
can imagine that.
I can imagine mad propaganda.

1556
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:56,410
Yeah, I.
Mean you called her a lie ahead.

1557
01:00:57,900 --> 01:00:59,870
Can't even father surely a human
being.

1558
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,010
It's number.
It's unreal.

1559
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:04,150
But anyway, so we're gonna talk
about what happens next to this

1560
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,530
report.
These were the initial findings.

1561
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:07,240
So we'll talk all about that.
It does include Ofsted.

1562
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:08,430
We'll do that really quickly at
the end.

1563
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,890
But I really want to go on now
after this short Jingle, this

1564
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:14,550
list of 23 things teachers
shouldn't do.

1565
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:16,410
It's fascinating.
Stick around.

1566
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:20,590
Thanks for sticking around.
That was a long break.

1567
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,840
You know, you've really got good
attention guys.

1568
01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:24,380
Yeah, so hey did, Scroll down
mate.

1569
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:25,800
Scroll down.
We're going to go to this list

1570
01:01:25,810 --> 01:01:28,120
of 23 things now.
Bit of background whilst Hayden

1571
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:30,580
finds the mouse and his eyes and
knows where things are.

1572
01:01:31,550 --> 01:01:35,780
This is a list of 23 things this
list existed before.

1573
01:01:35,830 --> 01:01:38,360
So anyone who's been teaching
for a long time, over 10 years,

1574
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:40,860
you may remember that.
Again, another thing the

1575
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:44,040
beautiful Michael Gove did who
was fantastic for education in

1576
01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:46,960
this country.
Every time we're shaking our

1577
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:49,900
heads to anyone not watching And
he got rid of this list.

1578
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:53,820
And the point was schools do not
need to be babied and head

1579
01:01:53,830 --> 01:01:55,940
teachers and teachers told what
they should and shouldn't be

1580
01:01:55,950 --> 01:01:57,140
doing.
It's down to the school.

1581
01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:59,960
If the school wants to say
teachers do this because they're

1582
01:01:59,970 --> 01:02:02,120
in charge and they know what
they're doing, it's we're not

1583
01:02:02,130 --> 01:02:04,870
going to have government tell
you what not to do when when in

1584
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,090
all reality all that happened
was this list got rid of.

1585
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,180
And then everyone was like, OK,
you can do all of these things

1586
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:10,360
please.
Yeah, that was telling you not

1587
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:11,300
to do before.
Now you can.

1588
01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:13,840
Yeah, you can.
They really think they'd be like

1589
01:02:13,850 --> 01:02:15,840
much nuance here, but they can
do it now.

1590
01:02:15,850 --> 01:02:17,160
No, I'm going to choose.
Not enough.

1591
01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:20,230
Course weird, isn't it?
Since then, workload and stress

1592
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:20,970
has got worse.
Yes.

1593
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:21,700
Weird, isn't it?
It's weird.

1594
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:23,190
It's almost like it did just not
work.

1595
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,670
At all.
That's all of these.

1596
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,250
Again, this is the 23 things.
We're not gonna go through all

1597
01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:29,300
of them, but I will link in the
description to this podcast.

1598
01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:31,560
You can go to the podcast.
All the information we've got is

1599
01:02:31,570 --> 01:02:33,330
from schools weekly or schools
week.

1600
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:35,540
We'll put the information up
there anyway, so.

1601
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:37,570
We'll read the title of it, just
in case anyone's lost where we

1602
01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:39,210
are.
So this is the full list of

1603
01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:43,030
administrative tasks the task
force says teachers shouldn't

1604
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,820
have to do.
So we started our teaching

1605
01:02:45,830 --> 01:02:48,680
career in 20/15/2016.
So not long after, this kind of

1606
01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:49,880
this list would have been
scrapped.

1607
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,960
And it was really, it's really,
really interesting to me now

1608
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:57,280
looking back because having
found that out, this was on this

1609
01:02:57,290 --> 01:02:59,790
whole list, was on the lips of
loads of experienced teachers

1610
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:00,620
when we started.
Yeah.

1611
01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:02,490
And they were saying things
like, no, we shouldn't.

1612
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:05,010
We, we absolutely should not be
spending our time putting data

1613
01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:06,140
in.
We should not be spending our

1614
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:07,180
time doing this admin.
Yeah.

1615
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:10,350
Not teaching like literal admin.
And I remember sat there going,

1616
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,830
yeah, of course, of course we do
the job, which probably do

1617
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,440
because.
Because we trained them a time

1618
01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:16,460
where there was didn't exist And
we were like, yeah, of course.

1619
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:18,590
It's just part of what we do.
So it's really interesting.

1620
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,190
Now we've made highlights of
some of the ones that stood out

1621
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,420
for us for various reasons.
If you want to see the whole

1622
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:25,060
list, go and click above.
But we're going to go through

1623
01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:27,770
some now because some really
stood out the sore thumb and

1624
01:03:27,780 --> 01:03:30,290
others wanted to ask because I I
don't see it as a problem.

1625
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,250
I don't think teachers do these
things already.

1626
01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:34,880
Well, yeah, so some of them the
the number one thing and I think

1627
01:03:34,890 --> 01:03:38,510
a lot of teachers out there be
thinking, ohh, I do this and I

1628
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,970
know that I've spent a lot of
time doing it to the point now

1629
01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:43,030
where I just refuse.
I'm like, no, it's silly.

1630
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,090
And it's good to see that this
is kind of back in now here

1631
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,990
managing and transferring data
about pupils into a school

1632
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,990
management system or printing
electronic records for paper

1633
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,790
filing or more specifically as
well in this list, reformatting

1634
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,980
data that already exists and
then re entering it into

1635
01:03:58,990 --> 01:04:01,090
multiple different systems
across the school.

1636
01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:05,590
Essentially it's data entry.
As a teacher, it is now going to

1637
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,220
be explicit in this list that I
am not expected to spend my time

1638
01:04:10,270 --> 01:04:14,800
typing numbers into a thing.
There is no point me doing that

1639
01:04:14,810 --> 01:04:17,100
specifically when it already
exists and it needs to be in for

1640
01:04:17,110 --> 01:04:18,080
a.
Different level.

1641
01:04:18,090 --> 01:04:20,560
I mean, when we started our
career that was a that was a

1642
01:04:20,570 --> 01:04:21,820
buzzword.
Remember people, we call it

1643
01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:23,720
triple assessments, triple
assessment.

1644
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:26,090
And that has fizzled out over
the years where people have been

1645
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:28,420
whittled down, All those people
have quit, and then all the new

1646
01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:30,550
people didn't know about it.
But it was, it was a big thing

1647
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,440
when I started.
It was like, no, it's really,

1648
01:04:32,450 --> 01:04:35,640
really, really bad.
If you have to enter data into a

1649
01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:37,300
system, then you're told to put
it onto another one.

1650
01:04:37,310 --> 01:04:39,010
Oh, it needs to go on here
because we need to compare stuff

1651
01:04:39,020 --> 01:04:40,100
now.
So I need you to copy that

1652
01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:42,630
information into this one.
It's terrible.

1653
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,150
And I've always, always begged,
I hate doing it.

1654
01:04:45,210 --> 01:04:46,960
It takes so much time, like, for
example, when you have

1655
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:48,900
assessment weeks, right, which
all schools do.

1656
01:04:49,450 --> 01:04:52,700
It already takes longer.
We have to mark the marking the

1657
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:54,710
test than it would do like
marking lessons that day.

1658
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,640
So we're already well over what
we'd be normally to be doing to

1659
01:04:57,650 --> 01:05:01,980
then have to sit there and put
in ones and zeros or have to put

1660
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:03,780
in scores into three different
places.

1661
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:06,460
It is just such.
By the way, when we've got a

1662
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:09,060
part of them to like get on
through cause we've got English,

1663
01:05:09,150 --> 01:05:11,500
we've just done the maths paper.
Yeah, by the way, we did history

1664
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:12,910
that afternoon.
We got a whole part of history

1665
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,280
books.
You know, teachers need to spend

1666
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:17,580
time doing teacher jobs.
But on the flip side, who does

1667
01:05:17,590 --> 01:05:19,140
it then?
Because we do need that data.

1668
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:21,210
So this is going to be a theme
all the way through, right?

1669
01:05:21,250 --> 01:05:23,310
Because I think it's all well
and good putting this list in.

1670
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,420
But I completely agree.
And it's that devil's advocate

1671
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:26,780
again.
It's like, you know, teachers

1672
01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,210
want to have our cake and eat it
sometimes.

1673
01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:31,520
Yeah, the the problem is that
they've been squeezing pay for

1674
01:05:31,530 --> 01:05:34,260
teachers for so long that we're
at the point now we're like, no,

1675
01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:37,760
yeah, it I I truly think maybe
I'm being naive and maybe you'd

1676
01:05:37,770 --> 01:05:40,060
get used to it.
But if there was any kind of

1677
01:05:40,070 --> 01:05:42,840
form of keeping up with
inflation and not having 0%

1678
01:05:42,910 --> 01:05:46,140
being completely frozen for that
whole time in our first like 8

1679
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:51,040
years, six years of teaching, I
truly do think that we'd be much

1680
01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:52,900
more up for just continuing with
the job.

1681
01:05:53,070 --> 01:05:56,300
I I think knowing that on my pay
has been absolutely whittled

1682
01:05:56,310 --> 01:05:59,890
away in terms of inflation and
where I would have been even 10

1683
01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:02,780
years ago at this point in my
career, it makes me really

1684
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:03,940
reluctant to do any of this
stuff.

1685
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:05,680
Yeah, I think I'm much more
would be like, yeah, alright,

1686
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:07,430
I'll do a club.
But let's be real, because it

1687
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,920
does come down to the point
where it is useful to have this

1688
01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:12,100
data.
Assessment data is extremely

1689
01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:14,630
useful for schools, and gap
analysis are extremely useful

1690
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,200
for your teaching, so they need
to be done.

1691
01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:19,300
Who does that?
And I do actually think there's

1692
01:06:19,310 --> 01:06:21,460
gonna be a bit of a joke here
running through where every

1693
01:06:21,470 --> 01:06:23,670
single answer to all these
things is schools need to be

1694
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,410
paid more so they can have
someone that does it.

1695
01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:27,440
Yeah, because I honestly don't
think I can't see another

1696
01:06:27,450 --> 01:06:29,080
answer.
Yeah, the answer can't be ohh,

1697
01:06:29,090 --> 01:06:30,480
we now give it to the office
staff.

1698
01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:35,080
Yeah, they're everyone working
in school is maxed out plus 50%

1699
01:06:35,090 --> 01:06:36,390
on their job.
Every single person.

1700
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,600
I promise you, there's no one in
the school who's.

1701
01:06:38,610 --> 01:06:40,300
Who's having a?
Having a job, I've got a cushy

1702
01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:43,210
deal, like, you know, I do six
hours work but I'm paying for 10

1703
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:45,120
everyday.
No one is in that position.

1704
01:06:45,470 --> 01:06:48,740
So I do just think it's like,
OK, I don't want, I shouldn't

1705
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:50,950
have to do it anymore as a
teacher in my free time for no

1706
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,060
money.
And there's no one else in the

1707
01:06:53,070 --> 01:06:54,270
school that can do it.
But we need.

1708
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:55,850
It done.
So I think it should be.

1709
01:06:55,860 --> 01:06:57,650
Hmm.
And this is what we do sometimes

1710
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,750
in our school teaching
assistant.

1711
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,110
Instead of supporting for one
lesson, they're going into the

1712
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,010
data.
OK, so that's a way it doesn't

1713
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,490
cost any more.
But you know, a lot of people

1714
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:10,150
will be upset that there could
be helping for children do that

1715
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,210
one preposition sentence.
OK, they could be, but it means

1716
01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:16,810
I don't spend 2 hours after
school today doing it myself.

1717
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,420
So do you know what they're
going to put it in?

1718
01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:20,190
I think it has to be.
We're gonna have to have a lot

1719
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,580
of that.
And if people don't like that,

1720
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:24,320
OK, give us money to hire
someone.

1721
01:07:24,330 --> 01:07:26,610
To find the schools, you have to
find a manager that does all of

1722
01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:27,240
this.
Exactly right.

1723
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:29,540
Because this is the problem in
now there's no funding, so it

1724
01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:31,940
falls on us a lot.
We're gonna talk about academies

1725
01:07:31,950 --> 01:07:33,850
later, but here's one of the
perks of being an Academy where

1726
01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:36,320
you can absolutely just rip off
your staff anyway, is that you

1727
01:07:36,330 --> 01:07:39,000
can save money by not paying
your staff properly to employ

1728
01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:40,670
these kind of people.
So maybe we should All the

1729
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,370
government were right.
Let's all become academies.

1730
01:07:42,380 --> 01:07:43,420
Then we can rip everyone.
Off.

1731
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:46,840
I can't wait to guys stick
around, because if you're

1732
01:07:46,850 --> 01:07:48,520
listening all this thing, it
sounds good.

1733
01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:49,940
Just wait.
Just wait.

1734
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:51,700
Anyway, we're going.
So yeah, that's that one.

1735
01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:53,620
It needs to be done.
Yeah, someone's gotta do it,

1736
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:55,240
Eva.
Someone's time is repurposed in

1737
01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:57,920
school and there's no extra time
or we have money to employ.

1738
01:07:57,930 --> 01:08:01,260
Someone or you put time in
before to know that data goes in

1739
01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:02,520
one place and everyone uses it
from.

1740
01:08:02,530 --> 01:08:04,950
This is where the workload
workforce might come in really

1741
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,630
handy, because they might be
able to think of it.

1742
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,240
I don't know the answer, but
they might be able to sit down

1743
01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:10,770
and think of a solution where
it's like teachers still can do

1744
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:13,060
this because we've now put in
the system where they we've just

1745
01:08:13,070 --> 01:08:15,020
freed up 3 hours, 3 hours of
their time on this.

1746
01:08:15,030 --> 01:08:17,770
As well I don't I I don't mind
and maybe I'm still wrong with

1747
01:08:17,779 --> 01:08:18,770
this.
I don't know how to interpret

1748
01:08:18,779 --> 01:08:21,470
this, maybe more clear by the
time they finish, but I don't

1749
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,359
necessarily think it's bad
right?

1750
01:08:23,370 --> 01:08:25,130
That I marked the test and put
their score in.

1751
01:08:25,140 --> 01:08:26,470
Somewhere.
I'm not above it.

1752
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:26,870
No.
Yeah.

1753
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:27,950
I don't think I'm better than
people.

1754
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,290
Yeah.
I don't put numbers into.

1755
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:30,050
Yeah.
No, of course not.

1756
01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:31,770
It's just that I'm doing at 8:00
PM.

1757
01:08:31,819 --> 01:08:34,370
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
At home or for the 4th time of

1758
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:35,010
the same?
Day.

1759
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:36,569
Yeah, yeah, that, that kind of
thing.

1760
01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:39,529
So that actually scrapped.
So really entering data does

1761
01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:41,399
does just need to be scrapped.
We need to stop doing that.

1762
01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:42,800
Schools need to sort their
systems out.

1763
01:08:42,859 --> 01:08:45,160
So you're not putting in your
data in three different places.

1764
01:08:45,170 --> 01:08:47,029
It's ridiculous.
But when it comes to doing

1765
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,160
important jobs, like actually
putting data into, see, yeah, to

1766
01:08:50,170 --> 01:08:51,740
see gaps.
That's part of our assessment,

1767
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:54,340
in my opinion.
That's part We get it every

1768
01:08:54,350 --> 01:08:55,649
week.
I know it's not enough time,

1769
01:08:55,660 --> 01:08:56,979
whatever, but part of our job
is.

1770
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:59,500
To assess the someone said to
me, OK, on assessment weeks

1771
01:08:59,750 --> 01:09:02,100
Friday afternoon, you got two
hours you've been covered that

1772
01:09:02,109 --> 01:09:03,560
day.
All you need to do in that two

1773
01:09:03,569 --> 01:09:04,779
hours is just put your data in
up.

1774
01:09:04,790 --> 01:09:05,580
Cool.
Thank you.

1775
01:09:05,670 --> 01:09:07,200
I'll do that.
It's in the job time.

1776
01:09:07,210 --> 01:09:09,060
Of course I'll do anything you
want in that job time.

1777
01:09:09,069 --> 01:09:11,710
It's almost the same as saying
OK, by the way, this week after

1778
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,689
school for an hour, you need to
teach another maths lesson.

1779
01:09:13,890 --> 01:09:16,040
People like no, Yeah yeah, like
what?

1780
01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:17,470
Why, then, is it OK for you to
tell?

1781
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:18,600
Me.
Hayden, You're right.

1782
01:09:18,609 --> 01:09:21,960
Head this tonight, 8:00 PM.
Four of your kids were couldn't

1783
01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:23,580
make it.
Can you do that math lesson

1784
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:25,880
again tonight?
Yeah, sure, I'll do it.

1785
01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:27,979
I'll do that.
No, of course I wouldn't.

1786
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:30,020
I'm not also going to sit there
and put ones and zeros into a

1787
01:09:30,029 --> 01:09:32,680
spreadsheet at 8:00 PM anyway.
That's that one move.

1788
01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:33,720
On next one.
Really.

1789
01:09:33,729 --> 01:09:35,500
I I love this one.
It's something I've stopped

1790
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:36,760
doing.
I think it's nonsense.

1791
01:09:36,770 --> 01:09:39,120
I did a lot when I was younger.
I mean, I thought it was really

1792
01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:42,080
important, explicit now.
Teachers should not produce

1793
01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:44,540
photographic evidence or
practical lessons, yeah.

1794
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:45,870
Like, I think they don't have
to.

1795
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,250
You can do if you want, yeah, of
course.

1796
01:09:47,260 --> 01:09:49,050
You have to do it.
I might do it sometimes because

1797
01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:50,880
maybe it's a beautiful piece of
art and they're gonna take it

1798
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:52,220
home and maybe I just want in
their book.

1799
01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:55,420
But if I don't, it's not bad.
It's not something that I can be

1800
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:57,530
asked to do.
Because guess what?

1801
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,550
Planning and teaching and still
marking and assessing A

1802
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,490
practical lesson.
Yeah, is still planning,

1803
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:04,410
teaching and assessing A
practical lesson.

1804
01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:06,950
There's that trust there, which
is like Ohh unless is the

1805
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,900
picture of Deans in the book,
how do I know they had?

1806
01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:10,090
The Deans.
It's the trust.

1807
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:11,670
I thought I was gonna say was
scrap it.

1808
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,370
Because you know what?
It's just a stupid way of

1809
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:14,570
checking.
The teachers have done nothing.

1810
01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:16,470
Yes they have.
If they wrote the thing in their

1811
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,170
book and said they did it, they
did it.

1812
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:19,700
If you really look at that
plans, look at.

1813
01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:21,630
That plan, even if they didn't
write in the book, But you know

1814
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:22,400
the planet.
Yeah.

1815
01:10:22,410 --> 01:10:24,830
Well, did you walk for the room
and the kids were sat watching a

1816
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,770
film.
No, we didn't.

1817
01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:27,330
OK, but I had that.
Honestly.

1818
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,470
Go, go look at what your
teachers are doing.

1819
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:31,900
God's sake.
I think it's a harsh comment.

1820
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:32,960
Yeah.
Yeah.

1821
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,380
You don't need to.
They're getting on with all the

1822
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:37,860
safeguards.
Every day, but just trust them.

1823
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:39,520
Yeah, next one.
This was really this.

1824
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:41,300
This was something that I
thought straight away.

1825
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:45,120
Yeah, OK, sounds good.
But we need stuff though.

1826
01:10:45,130 --> 01:10:46,130
Yeah?
So this is interesting.

1827
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:49,500
Funny, I thought, creating and
creating or copying files

1828
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:52,180
perceived to be required in
anticipation of an inspection

1829
01:10:52,190 --> 01:10:54,880
from Ofsted.
This was the ultimate example to

1830
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:57,970
me of what a ridiculous thing to
put in a list that teachers

1831
01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:00,330
don't have to do while
simultaneously not completely

1832
01:11:00,340 --> 01:11:02,420
revamping offset itself.
Would you?

1833
01:11:02,430 --> 01:11:05,220
Saying I fully agree often
Inspector comes in.

1834
01:11:05,230 --> 01:11:07,040
We had Ofsted recently, right?
Yeah.

1835
01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:09,850
OK.
And we did obviously print and

1836
01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:12,220
copy all of our important
documents and have them in front

1837
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:13,810
of us.
And some of those things we

1838
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:15,880
wrote up in the week before, we
actually, we this needs to be

1839
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:17,430
more concise.
We need to have this in a nice

1840
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,910
concise way so we can be like,
hey, look at the stuff we do.

1841
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,290
Of course we did that.
And if we didn't, it would have

1842
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:25,130
been, it would have been picked
up and we would have looked

1843
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:27,430
stupid.
We would have looked worse

1844
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,400
because in the current framework
of the Ofsted Inspector would

1845
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:31,870
have been like, OK, you're not
prepared.

1846
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,610
You're very good leaders.
You have nothing to show me.

1847
01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:34,930
It's terrible.
Requires improvement.

1848
01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:36,410
Yeah, of course we need to do
that.

1849
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:38,850
That's a stupid.
That yeah, it warmed me up that

1850
01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:41,790
that that's cool.
But I actually just think it's

1851
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,270
wrong.
I think it's the only.

1852
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,300
Again, maybe this is just for
teachers.

1853
01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:47,490
If you've got a TL and you're
leading something, maybe then

1854
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:49,570
that comes under there and some
of this stuff doesn't apply

1855
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:52,650
right.
So as a class teacher still the

1856
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:54,270
history the drug free.
The people lead.

1857
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,010
I bet in your school don't have
TLR.

1858
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,970
Yeah and what if they get deep
dive in history.

1859
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,430
Sorry the 23 prong list said
that don't have to prep

1860
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:01,940
anything.
Do you think that's gonna?

1861
01:12:01,950 --> 01:12:03,030
Wash.
I reckon we probably

1862
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,930
misunderstood this bit though,
cause I reckon there's a deeper

1863
01:12:04,940 --> 01:12:06,160
thing here.
Maybe it's just as good.

1864
01:12:06,170 --> 01:12:08,210
As creating.
I know, but I think this is

1865
01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:10,580
probably talking about those
schools where it's like Ofsted

1866
01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:12,830
could come anytime in the next
five years and they're

1867
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:17,520
constantly asking their teachers
to produce extra things or copy

1868
01:12:17,530 --> 01:12:20,150
certain things just in case
everyone has to keep an Ofsted

1869
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,250
folder in their classroom of
your current lessons.

1870
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:24,620
You know stuff like that.
It's like that's probably what

1871
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:25,930
it means.
I think we've been lucky enough

1872
01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:27,780
to not with that.
That is not the environment

1873
01:12:27,790 --> 01:12:29,280
we've been working.
So it's hard to even perceive

1874
01:12:29,290 --> 01:12:31,430
it.
I know that schools exist where

1875
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:35,230
weekly teachers workload is
increased on the fear that often

1876
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:36,780
are coming in.
It's offsets come in next week.

1877
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:38,700
You don't be caught short
without these things that's

1878
01:12:38,710 --> 01:12:40,830
always have them ready that
worthless.

1879
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,030
A week later you have to update
them the next thing.

1880
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,760
I think that.
Yeah, OK, do it when offered.

1881
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:48,770
Come not every weekend.
When we found out after becoming

1882
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:51,170
the day before, obviously we
went and printed a bunch of

1883
01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:52,510
stuff for them.
That's fine.

1884
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:55,720
But yeah, this next one is
something that I maybe I'm blind

1885
01:12:55,730 --> 01:12:58,040
to this, but it's in there.
So it's obviously a problem.

1886
01:12:58,050 --> 01:13:00,360
But it's something I read and I
thought, that's not something we

1887
01:13:00,370 --> 01:13:01,770
ever do, is it?
As teachers, yeah.

1888
01:13:01,780 --> 01:13:03,470
So interesting.
If you're listening, you do this

1889
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:06,680
producing and collecting
analysis of attendance figures

1890
01:13:06,690 --> 01:13:09,320
or investigating pupils,
absence, neither of those things

1891
01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:11,180
we should be doing as a teacher.
I think it's a.

1892
01:13:11,190 --> 01:13:14,100
Huge huge issue right now which
maybe it's been put on teachers

1893
01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:16,280
door because I've never, you
know, teachers see them but I've

1894
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:18,100
never ever experienced that.
No, no I can.

1895
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:20,040
I can.
I can't imagine a school perhaps

1896
01:13:20,050 --> 01:13:21,960
saying, like, if someone's
awake, could you just give the

1897
01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:24,130
parents a ring after school
Could imagine that slipping in.

1898
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:25,520
Sure.
And I'll be interested if you if

1899
01:13:25,530 --> 01:13:26,880
that.
If you're in that situation,

1900
01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:28,900
please do write to us.
Yeah, and how can they write to

1901
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:30,250
them?
And they can find us.

1902
01:13:30,260 --> 01:13:32,090
But honestly, the best.
I've not actually checked the

1903
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:35,020
e-mail in ages, so if you've
emailed us brilliant, it's

1904
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:37,760
great.
But Instagram?

1905
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:40,540
That's the place to be.
Follow us on at Teach St repeat

1906
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:42,660
podcast on Instagram.
We don't ask so much, guys.

1907
01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:44,620
If you got this part on the
podcast and you haven't given us

1908
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:47,060
a five star review on Spotify or
on Apple podcast, we'd really

1909
01:13:47,070 --> 01:13:49,300
appreciate it if you could
follow on Instagram.

1910
01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:52,160
There's a nice growing.
Community, when you used to do

1911
01:13:52,170 --> 01:13:56,380
the app for our e-mail and our
Instagram, then threads and also

1912
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:59,000
Twitter and Instagram or we
won't.

1913
01:13:59,010 --> 01:14:00,980
Bother her anymore.
Come to Instagram.

1914
01:14:00,990 --> 01:14:03,030
Instagram is the place.
OK, Instagram place.

1915
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,920
Anyway, it's about people's
absence.

1916
01:14:05,930 --> 01:14:07,250
I don't think it's much of a
problem.

1917
01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:10,010
This next one again, is in the
same kind of thing.

1918
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,250
Do not responsibility for
producing, copying and uploading

1919
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:15,550
and distributing bulk
communications to parents and

1920
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,910
pupils.
Again, I think most offices do

1921
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,870
that.
I've read this and I thought it

1922
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,990
bulks out the list a bit, but is
that really happening in

1923
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,620
schools?
Yeah, it's a weird one because I

1924
01:14:23,630 --> 01:14:26,880
think we split that up, right.
The producing bit I'm sort of

1925
01:14:26,890 --> 01:14:28,510
like.
I don't know though, because if

1926
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,340
I organise a trip I do kind of
think.

1927
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:34,060
It's that if you organise a
trip, let me very quickly tell

1928
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:35,380
you the next thing on this list.
Ohh.

1929
01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:36,410
Hang on.
God.

1930
01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:37,740
Yeah, I know.
I know.

1931
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,630
OK, go on, say it now.
Sorry, but this is something I

1932
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,110
didn't understand so you can
make the link here.

1933
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,090
Yeah, teachers should not
administer anything relating to

1934
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:49,650
school visits, trips and
residentials and of work

1935
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:51,330
experience.
Yeah, so no administration

1936
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:54,010
related to that.
No no booking, no no calling, no

1937
01:14:54,020 --> 01:14:56,530
sorting.
How will How would a trip?

1938
01:14:56,540 --> 01:14:58,050
Happen.
Maybe we're being naive here.

1939
01:14:58,060 --> 01:15:00,780
Maybe we are have just fallen
down into that sinkhole of.

1940
01:15:00,860 --> 01:15:04,170
Well, actually, I tell you what
I have worked in a school before

1941
01:15:04,220 --> 01:15:05,830
where that was true.
Right.

1942
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,320
And we had a person who's role
it was they were dedicated to

1943
01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:12,070
this was all you.
All you had to do was fill a

1944
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,070
little form saying this is where
we want to go with this class

1945
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,630
and give it to.
And they do all of it, right.

1946
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,370
They did all of it.
So they looked it up, looked at

1947
01:15:17,380 --> 01:15:19,410
the price, the cost, the timing.
They booked it, they booked the

1948
01:15:19,420 --> 01:15:21,940
coaches, they made the letter
they sent out to the parents.

1949
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:24,130
Yeah.
So it could exist.

1950
01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:26,290
But I do.
It is hard one because right now

1951
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:27,940
it's true though should it be
our job?

1952
01:15:27,980 --> 01:15:29,450
Should it?
Clearly not.

1953
01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:33,250
But it is one thing for right
now I feel very guilty if I went

1954
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:35,250
out to my office staff, who I
know are equally completely

1955
01:15:35,260 --> 01:15:38,150
round with exactly right and
said to them I want to go on a

1956
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,660
trip to the Kent life thing.
I'm going to do a day there next

1957
01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:42,950
term sometime.
Can you sort that out?

1958
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,080
Cheers.
Yeah.

1959
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,270
I would rightfully.
They'd be like, no, yeah,

1960
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,630
obviously I'll go, obviously
I'll sort that out.

1961
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,030
Yeah, they're doing too much.
Stuff, you know?

1962
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,530
But there you go.
Maybe we just fall into that.

1963
01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:52,850
Sorry.
So that's producing, copying

1964
01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:55,490
stuff and uploading and
distributing anything that goes

1965
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:56,130
out.
Yeah.

1966
01:15:56,140 --> 01:15:57,970
So the producing bit was for me.
That's what I was talking about,

1967
01:15:57,980 --> 01:15:59,310
really was.
Of course, I'm gonna produce the

1968
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,400
letter to save their parents.
We're gonna go on this trip

1969
01:16:01,410 --> 01:16:03,430
newsletter as well.
The parents, the the office

1970
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:06,820
staff might check that letter or
copy here and and give it to me,

1971
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:09,420
or they might distribute it at
via the school website or

1972
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:11,260
something.
But yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

1973
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:14,330
at least produce the content of
the trip that I want to take the

1974
01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:16,260
kids.
Yeah, I just think this list is

1975
01:16:16,270 --> 01:16:18,840
cool in many ways, but there are
some holes in it and I think it

1976
01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:21,100
felt like they were bulking out.
Maybe they're just being really,

1977
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:23,840
really cautious and but I think
they've gone too far sometimes.

1978
01:16:23,850 --> 01:16:26,430
Hopefully just proved as well
with the other analogy that that

1979
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:28,520
you can have a system that
exists where you actually that's

1980
01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:30,610
true and you just focus on.
Tech and This is why we're

1981
01:16:30,620 --> 01:16:32,540
saying at all you guys you know
if you've got experience this

1982
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:34,880
you're thinking guys know this
is needed let us know.

1983
01:16:34,890 --> 01:16:37,140
Tell us and ordering applies an
equipment.

1984
01:16:37,150 --> 01:16:39,430
Another thing.
I'm the person who knows what we

1985
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:40,700
need because I've planned
everything.

1986
01:16:40,990 --> 01:16:43,120
Let's say I've planned a unit.
I recently planned it art unit,

1987
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:46,020
and it was printing, it was
weaving, it was all to do

1988
01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:48,440
textiles and stuff like that.
How am I?

1989
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:51,180
How are we supposed to deliver
that without me ordering?

1990
01:16:51,190 --> 01:16:54,060
It OK, devil's advocate, was it
your decision to to have that

1991
01:16:54,170 --> 01:16:56,040
unit of planning?
No.

1992
01:16:56,110 --> 01:16:58,470
Did someone tell you this is the
this is what you've got to teach

1993
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:00,710
this time?
No, I'm sorry.

1994
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,890
Yeah, someone told me.
So you didn't originally decide

1995
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:04,570
to do that.
So I think it would be fair to

1996
01:17:04,580 --> 01:17:07,910
say, OK, SLT have decided that
you're doing this complex art

1997
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,180
thing.
They can, they can sort out the.

1998
01:17:10,220 --> 01:17:13,910
But do you not think that them
doing that would be them coming

1999
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,660
to me and asking me what I need
and then I still have to tell

2000
01:17:16,670 --> 01:17:17,930
them and I still have to find it
and I?

2001
01:17:17,940 --> 01:17:18,950
Loved it?
I guess.

2002
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,160
I guess you could argue that if
they have come in with this

2003
01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:24,610
scheme of whoever's come in with
this scheme of work, maybe part

2004
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:27,190
of their role should be knowing
all of the extra supplies that

2005
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,630
teachers are now required to get
and just ordering it for them,

2006
01:17:30,180 --> 01:17:33,760
in the same way that I kind of
just expect, you know, pens and

2007
01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:35,050
books.
This was going to say, do you

2008
01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:37,840
think that this is talking about
daily equipment?

2009
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:39,260
It doesn't make that
stipulation.

2010
01:17:39,310 --> 01:17:42,260
I don't know.
And maybe again, it's not even

2011
01:17:42,490 --> 01:17:45,000
talking about the first stage,
which is just knowing what we

2012
01:17:45,010 --> 01:17:46,880
need.
It might be that in some schools

2013
01:17:46,890 --> 01:17:51,100
the teachers have to actually do
the whole process, like e-mail

2014
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:52,820
the company and do the actual
order.

2015
01:17:53,150 --> 01:17:54,750
There's a lot of schools that
they do half and.

2016
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,200
Half you put a sheet.
You give us a little form, tell

2017
01:17:57,210 --> 01:17:59,520
us what you need and we'll do
the rest, because I think that

2018
01:17:59,530 --> 01:18:02,850
situation is OK.
But yeah, but but 90% of the job

2019
01:18:02,860 --> 01:18:06,610
is filing through the website
and the and and the magazine and

2020
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:08,720
seeing the numbers and finding
it and working out how much it

2021
01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:09,820
will cost and saying how much
you.

2022
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:12,250
Need Well you again you're
assuming that this teacher has

2023
01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:14,610
would have to do all that I'm
I'm I'm imagining there's a

2024
01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:18,350
sheet where it says I need more
pens and books I don't care what

2025
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,980
they are you you you would know
the pens and books that we order

2026
01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:22,300
for our school.
I'm just telling you need more

2027
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:24,370
of them, you know, I think
that's.

2028
01:18:24,380 --> 01:18:25,760
For a specific thing, I think
it's different.

2029
01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:28,130
Now for a specific art unit,
you're gonna have to know what I

2030
01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:29,910
can't just put fabric and hope
you know.

2031
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,980
Yeah of course in that one goes
back to my other I just think OK

2032
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:36,460
you unless you if you decided if
you took it upon yourself to

2033
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:38,760
change your art unit and and you
were like I really want to do

2034
01:18:38,770 --> 01:18:41,400
this thing then maybe alright
but then have a.

2035
01:18:41,410 --> 01:18:42,800
Head on, but then that'll make
people not want to.

2036
01:18:42,810 --> 01:18:43,280
Do it?
Yeah.

2037
01:18:43,290 --> 01:18:44,370
OK.
Yeah, maybe.

2038
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:46,220
I don't know.
There's not again which?

2039
01:18:46,710 --> 01:18:48,880
I guess the extreme would be
imagine someone came to you and

2040
01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:52,070
they changed your SLT, change
your curriculum where three

2041
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,460
times a week.
Now you needed to have tonnes of

2042
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:56,020
equipment and you weren't
planning on making these

2043
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:57,240
changes.
You were quite happy with your

2044
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:59,170
curriculum before and they said
yeah, now three times a week we

2045
01:18:59,180 --> 01:19:02,040
did these things and you
constantly need to order enough.

2046
01:19:02,110 --> 01:19:04,310
I think you you'd be reasonable
to be like, OK, you've made

2047
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,920
these changes, so I will deliver
them and I'll look through the

2048
01:19:06,930 --> 01:19:08,460
lessons.
But you do need to just supply

2049
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:10,540
me with this stuff without me
having to order it three times.

2050
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:13,260
I've got 17 IP's to go through.
I haven't got time to do that.

2051
01:19:13,390 --> 01:19:14,460
Yeah.
No.

2052
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:15,170
Yeah.
And so.

2053
01:19:15,180 --> 01:19:18,160
OK, next one, administration of
cover for absent teachers.

2054
01:19:18,230 --> 01:19:20,320
This was interesting because I
know there are some schools

2055
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:24,000
certainly where it does kind of
fall on them to go around and

2056
01:19:24,010 --> 01:19:26,180
ask, you know, cover
supervisors, oh, can you cover

2057
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:27,720
this point?
I think chase it all up.

2058
01:19:27,730 --> 01:19:29,310
I think that's a huge problem.
I thought that was.

2059
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,120
That was something where I think
that needs to be addressed in a

2060
01:19:32,130 --> 01:19:33,320
lot of.
Schools and give you a really

2061
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:36,250
real for example from very
recently is I went off on

2062
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:40,170
paternity for two weeks and in
those two weeks we had an

2063
01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:43,300
assessment week.
So all of those tests that I'd

2064
01:19:43,310 --> 01:19:46,060
be marking gap, analysing and
putting assessments on for in my

2065
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:50,000
evenings fell on someone else
there, you know, someone else

2066
01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:51,280
had to do it.
So there was loads of

2067
01:19:51,290 --> 01:19:54,640
administration in terms of
people in my team, they had to

2068
01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:57,940
sort out tonnes of stuff to for
me to be covered for those two

2069
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:59,340
weeks.
And it's like I ended up feeling

2070
01:19:59,350 --> 01:20:02,700
bad about it, even though really
it's not my fault the system is

2071
01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:05,580
broken like that.
But it definitely highlighted

2072
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:07,820
the fact that.
You were on potentially feeling

2073
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:10,020
bad about your job.
Feeling bad that someone else

2074
01:20:10,030 --> 01:20:12,120
has got has got to do the free
work that I would have done.

2075
01:20:12,620 --> 01:20:15,830
In the evening because like, you
know you we might get like,

2076
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,230
covering and cover don't.
Cover is different.

2077
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,810
As a teacher, they're not paid
past school.

2078
01:20:19,820 --> 01:20:21,470
They don't.
They don't sit and mark like

2079
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:22,650
they might sit and mark
something.

2080
01:20:22,660 --> 01:20:24,650
Again, some people do cover.
I know you Mark, because I've

2081
01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:26,530
had to cover.
People come in, but some who are

2082
01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:29,970
by the book will leave at 3:30
and it's not their problem and

2083
01:20:29,980 --> 01:20:32,540
stuff isn't done.
So that's a classic example of

2084
01:20:33,260 --> 01:20:34,110
just.
Yeah.

2085
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:35,570
Administration.
Yeah.

2086
01:20:35,620 --> 01:20:37,250
Required by other people.
Yeah.

2087
01:20:37,260 --> 01:20:38,330
To cover my absence.
Yeah.

2088
01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:39,940
It happens all the time.
People are absent all the time.

2089
01:20:39,950 --> 01:20:41,890
And it's very much just if
someone sick in the morning,

2090
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:42,350
right.
Sure.

2091
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:43,690
Ohh.
Can't come in today.

2092
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,330
I think it's quite normal.
I think it's quite normal for a

2093
01:20:46,340 --> 01:20:50,710
school to say, OK, the team
around you just can you just

2094
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,920
sort out, can you go and find
that lessons and print it for

2095
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:56,270
them and sort it out for them is
that it's not really your job.

2096
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:57,910
Isn't it?
No, I can't actually.

2097
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,120
The last one, last one going to
talk about again the rest of the

2098
01:21:00,130 --> 01:21:03,810
list, which let's say above,
it's it's a podcast, there's

2099
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:05,490
nothing above.
It's the discussion below in

2100
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:09,190
this YouTube video.
Subscription And this one really

2101
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,370
made me laugh because it's
really vague and I think it sums

2102
01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:13,850
up kind of like the hit and miss
nature of this whole list.

2103
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,010
Some of it's great and some of
it I just find a bit weird.

2104
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,270
It's simply said bulk
photocopying.

2105
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,710
Yeah, I remember, we both
remember, we saw this list.

2106
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,210
We were both like, what does
that even mean?

2107
01:21:22,220 --> 01:21:24,030
Yeah, because it can mean so
much stuff.

2108
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,130
We've kind of already covered
the distribution of bulk

2109
01:21:26,140 --> 01:21:28,040
communications.
So it obviously doesn't mean

2110
01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:31,110
that doesn't mean bulk
photocopying for your team

2111
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,660
because we do bulk photocopying
because that's what we planned,

2112
01:21:35,670 --> 01:21:37,850
because what we plan.
And it's easier for me to be

2113
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,040
stop being one lesson like 100
times than it is for me to copy

2114
01:21:42,050 --> 01:21:43,950
every single lesson 30 times.
Hmm.

2115
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:46,440
It's it's easier to get my head
around that as a team, we

2116
01:21:46,450 --> 01:21:47,720
decided.
To kind of feel like it even

2117
01:21:47,730 --> 01:21:49,960
needs to be that that statement
even needs to be about

2118
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:51,800
photocopying in general.
Like, yeah, just stop.

2119
01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:54,590
Photo teachers spend so much
time photocopying in general

2120
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,620
that could be a point to make.
But bulk photocopy just seems

2121
01:21:57,630 --> 01:21:59,670
weird because it's efficient.
It suggests that there's some

2122
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,640
photocopying that's not bulk.
Really, for a start.

2123
01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:03,690
Because realistically,
everything.

2124
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:06,100
I've got some stuff.
Just yeah, true.

2125
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:08,690
But some people would just print
for their class as a mind.

2126
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:10,570
Yeah.
And other people like us, we

2127
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:11,750
bulk.
As in, yeah, I'll.

2128
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,810
I'll print history for everyone.
Yeah.

2129
01:22:13,820 --> 01:22:15,710
And then someone else will print
geography for everyone.

2130
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,310
Yeah.
Which actually saves you time.

2131
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,160
It does.
It does more.

2132
01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:19,830
Efficient is weird.
Get rid of, stop bolt

2133
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,470
photocopying, Go back to doing
it everyday.

2134
01:22:21,550 --> 01:22:23,870
Yeah, that's worse.
I don't really have.

2135
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,040
Yeah, and if their point is that
there's too much photocopying,

2136
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,530
putting it, spreading it out
doesn't.

2137
01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:30,430
Help.
Yeah, yeah, it's the.

2138
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,070
It's either the photocopying or
not.

2139
01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:34,610
Sure, it's not the bulkiness.
That's not how.

2140
01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:36,370
You do it, that's gonna cause
me.

2141
01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:39,200
It's the amount of photocopying
I have to do overall across the

2142
01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:41,810
year that's the problem, right?
So the other day, just real

2143
01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:45,500
quick photocopying, I was just
speaking to my team and we were

2144
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:48,040
sat there trimming sheets like
you do every single day.

2145
01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:50,860
And I was like, I wish I knew.
I wish there was a metric

2146
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:54,560
somehow, obviously can't exist.
I wish I knew how many sheets of

2147
01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:58,670
paper I have trimmed in my card,
what how many times I've stunned

2148
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,160
this on the slicer.
Yeah, yeah.

2149
01:23:00,170 --> 01:23:03,120
Yeah, it's got to be like, if we
had the numbers, I reckon they

2150
01:23:03,130 --> 01:23:04,500
would be.
That's crazy.

2151
01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:06,940
Stupidly crazy.
Do you mean.

2152
01:23:06,990 --> 01:23:08,590
OK, so how many times we're
gonna go to.

2153
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:10,020
Yeah.
Well, it doesn't need to go into

2154
01:23:10,030 --> 01:23:10,440
detail.
Yeah.

2155
01:23:10,450 --> 01:23:12,770
Do you mean how many times
you've moved it or how many

2156
01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:14,890
individual pieces of paper?
I was thinking about both.

2157
01:23:14,900 --> 01:23:16,790
So individual pieces of papers
would be.

2158
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,910
I wouldn't, I would be shocked
if it's not millions.

2159
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,190
Yeah, I think it will be in the
millions.

2160
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,670
Maybe I'm completely wrong off
there, but my my gut is million.

2161
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,370
I think about this nearly 10
years.

2162
01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:25,970
Well, I think in a day, right.
In a day.

2163
01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:26,810
In a day.
Roughly.

2164
01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:28,840
Eat this three lessons in the
honestly, like 100 bits of

2165
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:29,670
paper.
I reckon more.

2166
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,270
More.
There's three lessons a day.

2167
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,850
That's one sheet on each kid.
Each day is 100.

2168
01:23:33,860 --> 01:23:35,220
Yeah.
Let's say on average there's

2169
01:23:35,230 --> 01:23:37,420
probably, there's probably two
or three sheets.

2170
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:39,870
Yeah.
OK, they say 200 a day.

2171
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,040
It's 1000 every week.
Yeah, that's 1000.

2172
01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:44,160
Have we have we been teaching
for 1000 weeks?

2173
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,700
So 50 weeks, 5038 weeks?
38 weeks, 38 weeks.

2174
01:23:47,710 --> 01:23:52,000
OK, 38,000 sheets a year, 38,000
sheets of paper.

2175
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:53,190
Oh my God, is that?
Right.

2176
01:23:53,250 --> 01:23:56,130
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, What, 200?

2177
01:23:56,140 --> 01:23:58,110
Something like that, yeah.
No, we've what we've done.

2178
01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:58,950
I don't.
Know plenty.

2179
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,810
It's loaded.
With 38 come from.

2180
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:05,430
Ohh God 38 weeks that we teach
ohh so 2002 papers, 1000 sheets

2181
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:08,170
of paper a week, 1000 sheet.
So 8000 a year.

2182
01:24:08,180 --> 01:24:11,910
It's not millions then, is it?
1000, a year that was in 10

2183
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,640
years and nearly 10 years.
Yeah, 100,000 comments.

2184
01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:17,930
Probably more though cause like
you said it is on average some

2185
01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:19,820
lessons.
I've printed half a mil, Half a

2186
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:22,320
mil sheets of paper.
I've put for a trim of myself

2187
01:24:22,330 --> 01:24:22,970
trees.
Is that?

2188
01:24:22,980 --> 01:24:24,820
How many hours is that?
Oh my God, I care about the

2189
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:28,140
planet, my time.
How many hours of my time as a

2190
01:24:28,150 --> 01:24:31,090
teacher, as a professional
trained teacher if I spent

2191
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:31,980
cutting?
Paper.

2192
01:24:32,050 --> 01:24:33,500
That is where we need to move to
A.

2193
01:24:33,650 --> 01:24:37,740
We need to get into the 21st.
Century is getting the bulk bulk

2194
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:40,430
photocopying and got to.
Go do is instead of cutting

2195
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:45,270
38,000 in let's say 1000 cuts,
you wanna be cutting 30,000 and

2196
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,920
38,000 individual cuts.
Yeah, in fact, get rid of

2197
01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:49,400
slicing.
We're gonna get the scissors out

2198
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:50,800
mate.
We're gonna cut every single

2199
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:52,280
individual one.
That will help workload

2200
01:24:52,290 --> 01:24:53,330
massively.
Ohh God.

2201
01:24:53,340 --> 01:24:57,360
Anyway, you can find the rest of
the whole report again in the

2202
01:24:57,370 --> 01:24:58,450
link.
Go and click it.

2203
01:24:58,460 --> 01:24:59,310
You said that?
Yep.

2204
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,570
Go click in the link.
But OK, couple of things.

2205
01:25:02,580 --> 01:25:05,320
Now then, at one, what's going
to happen next?

2206
01:25:05,390 --> 01:25:09,820
OK, so what's gonna happen next
very quickly is basically

2207
01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:11,280
they're going to carry on
looking at this.

2208
01:25:11,290 --> 01:25:12,400
This is just the initial
findings.

2209
01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:14,670
This is gonna carry on and
luckily it is going to move

2210
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,520
towards Ofsted, OK?
Also, they're going to look

2211
01:25:17,530 --> 01:25:21,360
under the microscope at the STPC
D that is the school teachers

2212
01:25:21,370 --> 01:25:23,420
paying conditions, an official
document.

2213
01:25:23,470 --> 01:25:26,780
That's all schools, right.
All schools have to follow the

2214
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:28,780
schools, teachers paying
conditions, which all of this is

2215
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:31,580
linked to because everything
that we've been suggested so far

2216
01:25:31,630 --> 01:25:34,140
is going to go into the schools,
teachers paying conditions.

2217
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,430
And we're so lucky in this
country, right Hayden, that

2218
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:39,790
every single school has to
obviously follow the school's

2219
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,150
teachers paying conditions.
Right.

2220
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,480
Ohh, didn't.
I think you're giving a bit of

2221
01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:44,530
misconception there about how
the country works.

2222
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:47,150
Hayden, what's the bombshell
after this, you know, one hour

2223
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,020
and a half discussion we've just
had about all of these things

2224
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:52,470
that the government are going to
agree to and bring in and and

2225
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:55,250
change the schools, teachers,
paying conditions so that all of

2226
01:25:55,260 --> 01:25:57,920
us have a contract that we can
really enjoy and go along with

2227
01:25:57,930 --> 01:25:59,490
and and reduce workload.
Hayden.

2228
01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:03,450
Alright Dylan, calm down, OK?
The problem is, the problem is

2229
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,690
in this country there are
thousands of what we call

2230
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,690
academies or trusts.
Trusts tend to be more than one

2231
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:10,590
Academy, don't they?
So.

2232
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:11,790
Schools.
Amusement, OK?

2233
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,750
An Academy trust.
So a school can be an Academy

2234
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,470
and that simply means it's not
run by it.

2235
01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:18,990
They've taken out the link of
the local educational authority

2236
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,930
and the government basically
works straight with the school.

2237
01:26:20,940 --> 01:26:23,210
It just cuts out the middleman.
The idea is it's it's a bit,

2238
01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:25,320
it's run like a business.
You're you're given X amount of

2239
01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:27,770
money and there's no one to you
decide your budgets.

2240
01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:29,550
Yeah, you decide your it's not
the council.

2241
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:30,870
Giving you the budget.
Yeah, right.

2242
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,530
And the problem is that comes
with this is it's more run more

2243
01:26:33,540 --> 01:26:37,700
like an independent business and
the SPS TPCC D no longer

2244
01:26:37,710 --> 01:26:39,350
applies.
They can make their own rules.

2245
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,440
So are you saying that all of
these changes to the schools,

2246
01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:45,030
teachers paying conditions, even
if they do go through that an

2247
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,960
Academy could turn around and
go, well, we don't follow that

2248
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:48,840
our.
Academy can go like, no, we're

2249
01:26:48,850 --> 01:26:50,430
OK, thanks.
And carry on doing what they do

2250
01:26:50,440 --> 01:26:52,870
in the same way and we've
already experienced this in our

2251
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,370
lives and Academy can just
change the pay scale.

2252
01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:57,960
I can go like, Nah, we're just
going to take it.

2253
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,450
Let's double the amount of pay
jumps and therefore half every

2254
01:27:01,460 --> 01:27:03,710
time we go up and then put it to
do with pay and make.

2255
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:04,490
It worse.
Yeah.

2256
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:05,290
Really good.
So yeah.

2257
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,100
Yeah, so that was, that was that
story of someone who we worked

2258
01:27:08,110 --> 01:27:12,360
with who after like 6 years had
gone up about one or two grand

2259
01:27:12,410 --> 01:27:13,760
just because just because they
could.

2260
01:27:13,770 --> 01:27:16,100
And you know, it wasn't this
thing where it was like, oh,

2261
01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:17,520
that's horrendous.
That needs fixing.

2262
01:27:17,530 --> 01:27:19,500
It was well, we make our own
rules, so even if it was a

2263
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:20,820
mistake, Oh well.
Yeah, and mental.

2264
01:27:20,830 --> 01:27:22,040
And she was a really good
teacher.

2265
01:27:22,050 --> 01:27:23,760
Extremely passionate.
Really good teacher.

2266
01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:25,000
Yeah.
And they just totally took

2267
01:27:25,010 --> 01:27:26,520
advantage of her, Yeah.
And.

2268
01:27:26,690 --> 01:27:28,960
And shunted her pay.
By this year in in the same, in

2269
01:27:28,970 --> 01:27:30,580
the same breath, every single
time.

2270
01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:33,160
If you were an NQT and you
started and you did your year as

2271
01:27:33,170 --> 01:27:37,150
an NQT, yeah, very often in in a
normal world you'd go, you'd

2272
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,130
been a teacher for a year, you
would go up one.

2273
01:27:39,140 --> 01:27:42,230
And the pay scale in this
situation, all the pay scales

2274
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,860
have been halved.
So let's say there's six,

2275
01:27:43,870 --> 01:27:45,810
there's now 12.
Yeah, because each jump is

2276
01:27:45,820 --> 01:27:48,930
actually half of a real jump as
standard.

2277
01:27:48,940 --> 01:27:52,350
If you're an inquest, you've got
half a jump, so you miss out on

2278
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,350
a grand.
The absolute evil genius of this

2279
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,040
by the way, is what that even
then on if you went up two

2280
01:27:58,050 --> 01:28:00,490
jumps, which by the way
obviously is just one actual

2281
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:04,260
jump, you were constantly half a
pay scale behind where you would

2282
01:28:04,270 --> 01:28:06,310
be.
So every single year, this

2283
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,100
Academy would be saving 10s of
thousands of pounds.

2284
01:28:09,190 --> 01:28:11,520
And it wasn't just like our one
year on Behind.

2285
01:28:11,530 --> 01:28:12,760
No.
Every single year.

2286
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:14,600
You're always around.
You were a grand every single

2287
01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:16,150
year they paying you and less
than what they have been.

2288
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,040
Doing so, they split up.
Because it's just you.

2289
01:28:18,130 --> 01:28:19,530
Yeah, that happens.
I remember that.

2290
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:21,500
I remember the start of my
career and just being like,

2291
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:23,400
obviously you're timid, so I
just accepted it.

2292
01:28:23,410 --> 01:28:25,700
But I was really annoyed at like
I could see the scam.

2293
01:28:25,710 --> 01:28:27,460
Straight away, no matter what
you did, even if it was

2294
01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:29,660
performance related, you could
have been absolutely fantastic.

2295
01:28:29,670 --> 01:28:31,450
Well, you're an IT so half pace
car.

2296
01:28:31,460 --> 01:28:33,700
Yeah, the rule was I remember, I
remember, I actually remember

2297
01:28:33,710 --> 01:28:35,580
this so vividly.
I remember speaking to the head

2298
01:28:35,650 --> 01:28:38,670
and and I literally dead.
Ohh, this does this can't be

2299
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,610
right because I'm only like I've
done my performance appraisal.

2300
01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:43,970
Everything's been fine in my 2
year, but I'm only going up from

2301
01:28:43,980 --> 01:28:46,730
.1 to .2 on our 12 point.
System which was seen as one

2302
01:28:46,740 --> 01:28:49,110
point was seen as like you
didn't quite meet your targets.

2303
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,300
2 was good and there was always
scope to go 3 which was more

2304
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:54,180
than you would point and half.
No one ever went up three,

2305
01:28:54,190 --> 01:28:55,750
right?
It was either two or they could

2306
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,250
justify giving.
You less unless you were coming

2307
01:28:57,260 --> 01:28:59,520
and they keep you, but so I
went.

2308
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:01,780
Wait, I'm quitting.
I can suddenly got 7.

2309
01:29:01,790 --> 01:29:05,130
People, so I went up.
Obviously you were on the same

2310
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:08,830
111 point, which is half a real
pay after my first year of

2311
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,040
teaching, the most gruelling
year of teaching as well.

2312
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:15,060
And and and and and the response
I got, I remember being so like

2313
01:29:15,070 --> 01:29:17,690
harshly, like, no, it's it's
just no, that's the rule here.

2314
01:29:18,460 --> 01:29:19,580
That's the rule.
NQT.

2315
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:20,840
No, no, no.
NQT's can't go.

2316
01:29:20,850 --> 01:29:23,020
You're on TV.
The rule is NTN got one.

2317
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:24,570
Do you know who made that rule?
Hmm.

2318
01:29:24,580 --> 01:29:26,280
Do you?
Know you you you made that,

2319
01:29:26,290 --> 01:29:27,960
could you, could you not make
that role?

2320
01:29:27,970 --> 01:29:30,100
Cause now I feel undervalued
after a year when I know that in

2321
01:29:30,110 --> 01:29:31,360
any other.
That's the role, sorry.

2322
01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:33,260
Can't do an Academy.
I would actually just get paid

2323
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:34,480
up the next.
Time scale.

2324
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,870
That would work if you were in a
local authority school where

2325
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,600
they had to follow the rules,
the person making the rules to

2326
01:29:39,610 --> 01:29:42,640
turn around and that shows the
rule that you've decided to save

2327
01:29:42,650 --> 01:29:44,250
money so that you can have a six
figure salary.

2328
01:29:44,260 --> 01:29:45,770
Well done.
I'd love to do a whole episode

2329
01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:47,000
on Academy.
So if you're listening to this

2330
01:29:47,010 --> 01:29:48,870
and you work in an Academy and
you've got some mental stories

2331
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,460
of how they just changed the
rules and make your life

2332
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:52,480
considerably worse than if you
just went down the road and

2333
01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:54,720
worked at a local authority
school, please let us know

2334
01:29:54,730 --> 01:29:55,910
because I'd love to do an
episode.

2335
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,750
On it like if only we had two
people here, moved from a

2336
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,620
horrendous Academy to a local
authority school and I was this

2337
01:30:01,630 --> 01:30:03,170
yeah, we definitely need your
advice.

2338
01:30:03,180 --> 01:30:04,360
On that, loads of people have
stories in the.

2339
01:30:04,370 --> 01:30:08,070
Same week everyone I trained
with and worked with in that

2340
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,530
kind of happened is no longer
works.

2341
01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:11,690
With no one will, their
attention is 0.

2342
01:30:11,700 --> 01:30:13,090
Percent, yeah, doesn't matter to
save money.

2343
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,440
Anyway, yeah, so Academy is
going back to the point

2344
01:30:16,450 --> 01:30:19,500
academies don't have to do any
of this, which is the burning

2345
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:21,320
hole because thousands of
schools in the UK are already

2346
01:30:21,330 --> 01:30:24,380
academies after the massive push
about five years ago by the

2347
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:26,700
government to say that all
schools will be academies by

2348
01:30:26,710 --> 01:30:29,420
2020 or whatever it was.
And and then obviously, loads of

2349
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:31,340
schools panicked and quickly
became academies when they

2350
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:33,260
didn't have to because that got
scrapped immediately.

2351
01:30:33,790 --> 01:30:36,640
Guys, the answer is the free
market isn't always the best

2352
01:30:36,650 --> 01:30:38,140
thing, OK?
And when it comes to our

2353
01:30:38,150 --> 01:30:40,500
children's education and the
well-being of people, let's not

2354
01:30:40,510 --> 01:30:42,040
throw that to the free market.
Brexit.

2355
01:30:42,090 --> 01:30:45,800
The reason I became a teacher is
because I did work experience

2356
01:30:45,810 --> 01:30:49,120
week in a recruitment company in
London and it was absolutely

2357
01:30:49,130 --> 01:30:50,920
horrific.
Cut throat became a teacher to

2358
01:30:50,930 --> 01:30:53,700
make a difference, be good at my
job and help children.

2359
01:30:53,950 --> 01:30:56,720
It's evolving lots of schools
into the same kind of cut throat

2360
01:30:56,730 --> 01:30:58,340
industry where you get toxic
buses.

2361
01:30:58,410 --> 01:31:00,800
It's a business, it's not.
It's children's livelihoods.

2362
01:31:00,850 --> 01:31:03,180
Children should get what exactly
what they need at all points,

2363
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:05,860
whatever that is, and it's
broken right now.

2364
01:31:06,090 --> 01:31:08,060
General election year.
Let's see what happens, shall.

2365
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:10,640
We crikey this has been a really
long.

2366
01:31:10,650 --> 01:31:11,580
Episode.
I've really enjoyed it.

2367
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:13,150
Though I've enjoyed it, I really
enjoyed it.

2368
01:31:14,530 --> 01:31:16,330
Three of us let us know so we
can ignore you.

2369
01:31:17,970 --> 01:31:19,100
I was waiting to make the same
joke.

2370
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:20,280
You did it for me.
You did it.

2371
01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:22,260
For me, I actually would like to
because sometimes sometimes we

2372
01:31:22,270 --> 01:31:24,300
say things and maybe our
opinions are based on our own

2373
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:26,530
experiences or we just don't
know the full extent and it is

2374
01:31:26,540 --> 01:31:28,790
good to learn.
So if you have an alternative

2375
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,500
opinion on any of those points,
do let us know and if actually

2376
01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:34,480
we'll review it if if we've
challenged.

2377
01:31:34,630 --> 01:31:38,260
And maybe I'll check my emails.
Yeah, someone on Instagram.

2378
01:31:38,330 --> 01:31:40,160
Kizzy, I know you listen.
You've got this far.

2379
01:31:40,170 --> 01:31:43,670
Hey Kizzy, I've just remembered
now because she sent a message

2380
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,770
after the last episode saying
really enjoyable.

2381
01:31:45,780 --> 01:31:47,400
I've got a lot of points to make
about this.

2382
01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:49,880
It might be an e-mail and I'm
really scared.

2383
01:31:49,890 --> 01:31:51,510
She's emailed us and I've just
not seen it.

2384
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,390
Ohh, no.
So Kizzy, you've got this point.

2385
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,010
I will check my emails, I
promise you.

2386
01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:56,910
But I love getting messages from
people.

2387
01:31:56,980 --> 01:31:59,110
And what's great now about the
Instagram, I think we're over

2388
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,490
2000 followers now.
Instagram is, you know, polls

2389
01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:05,850
and questions and messages.
It seems to be every day we're

2390
01:32:05,860 --> 01:32:07,280
getting stuff in there which is
really, really.

2391
01:32:07,290 --> 01:32:08,010
Good.
More ammo.

2392
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:09,710
Exactly.
And I love it and thank you for

2393
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,850
taking part in those polls and
things that I post.

2394
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,610
And I hope you enjoy the memes
that we make as well.

2395
01:32:15,020 --> 01:32:17,850
So yeah, I really enjoyed that.
Let's do a very, very quick

2396
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:22,100
single and then we'll sign off.
Welcome back.

2397
01:32:22,110 --> 01:32:24,970
Thank you for joining us for
this long and we will see you

2398
01:32:24,980 --> 01:32:25,840
next week.
Bye.

2399
01:32:26,150 --> 01:32:27,440
Thanks guys.
Thanks for waiting.