Ep 42: The Struggles Of Staying Fit And Healthy In Teaching: A Chat With Martin Malone (@TheTeachersPT)

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach Deep Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
And we are separate places.

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We are not together.
We are apart.

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Hated.
My heart grows fonder.

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I don't know how I cope without
you here.

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No, I'm joking.
It's nicer, actually.

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You can breathe in this room
without you sat next to me.

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Hello May.
How you doing?

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Yeah, I'm good.
You've disturbed me from a

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beautiful cuddle with my
daughter, but the podcast is

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apparently more important, so
cheers mate.

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Correct it is, and all them
customers out there can't be let

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down by you wanting to be a good
dad or hug my daughter.

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Some of the older listeners
might be like, hey, you know,

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get back to work.
You've had your two weeks.

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Off.
No, honestly.

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You've had paternity.
Paternity is designed to be more

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than enough time for a man to
sort out what they need to sort

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out.
And it's just down to our

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partners now, right?
My favourite bit is when they

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can't do anything for like 6
weeks, they're not even allowed

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to drive, but we have to go back
to work within two so they're

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just they're just four weeks
where it's like hope nothing

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happens.
As hard drive is true.

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But as time goes on, you know,
beforehand I was very idealistic

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and I still agree it's much,
much harder for the woman.

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But I I don't think I realised
how hard it is for us.

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Like it is actually really
tricky trying to work and do

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stuff.
It is though.

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It's just fine.
It's so funny hearing a man put

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it back to, but it is just, it's
just tougher.

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It's just tougher for us, you
know?

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That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is I think I

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underestimated how hard it would
still be.

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Yeah, I get what you're saying.
I just want to take the Mick.

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I just try and paint you as like
I just.

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Wanted to crack and admit that
you were taking the maker.

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Now mapping that's.
All there, Yeah.

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No, I agree though.
Anyway, anyway, anyway, stop

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talking now, please.
Thank you.

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We've got a guest.
As you know, you've already seen

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that probably.
You've definitely seen the title

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of this episode.
So we have a guest coming up,

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but before we get into that,
Hayden, we are just going to

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very quickly catch up with each
other.

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How was your week, pal?
Well, it's it's was my first

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week back at school.
Full week and before a full

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week, I mean three days.
But I tell you what.

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And again.
Everyone.

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I just don't.
I don't.

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Want to ever give the illusion
where someone like he hasn't

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done a full week?
So I'm just, you know, OK,

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we're, you know, we do three
days at school, but it was a

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nice three days because it was
the last week of term.

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So I had a nice, had a nice
time.

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I was able to get home at
reasonable times every single

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day because every single day
there was at least something

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happening which just took away a
bit of marking and we had a nice

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week, but it was lovely and I'd
like to see the kids.

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They were really happy.
I quite enjoyed being there.

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I did want to be at home, but I
did enjoy being there as well.

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It's a weird feeling.
I thought about you like you.

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Prefer work to your daughter?
No, that's not what I'm saying.

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But I know you when you got back
to work, you were like itching

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to go home every day.
Is that straight?

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Back into the grind, you kind of
had a different experience, I

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suppose, where we've been doing
festive things.

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Yeah, exactly.
And now we're on Christmas

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break, so I can't really
complain.

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But other than that, lots of
lots of pooping, lots of peeing.

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It's all the same stuff.
Yeah, From her as well.

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Yeah.
OK, that's it. 1 Funny story.

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Give her a bath today.
Oh, yeah, Put her in the bath.

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She's just done a poo.
So we're like, here we go.

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Clever parents say put her in
the bath.

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And she was smiling at us and we
nearly cried with happiness.

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Right.
Because she's nearly four weeks

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old and we were like, Oh my
gosh, she's like starting to

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smile really early.
This is so sweet.

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And she wasn't screaming in the
bath like last time.

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She screamed.
And we were like, oh man, this

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is so cute.
We're looking at each other like

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our little baby.
Like, she is so sweet.

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And then she just shouted and
but it was like a proper like

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ripple through the bath.
Just every just completely

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ruined the bath.
Had to take her out, clean her

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up, make a new bath.
Yeah, so that was quite funny.

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If there's a small pre six
weeks, do not fall into the

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trap.
Okay, Do not do it, you know.

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What?
They say they don't smile before

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Christmas, right?
Something like that, I'm not

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sure.
Yeah.

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Anyway, that's it.
Nothing interesting, you.

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Yeah, not much really.
I was also in school.

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I'm just going through that
slog.

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But that's not really news
anymore.

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That's just my life.
Now back to work.

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There was one thing came in a
post today I thought was quite

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interesting.
A little something.

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If you're watching, you'll be
able to see right here a little

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mug.
It says Steph's packed lunch on

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it.
Anyone who doesn't know Steph

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Pat Lunch is a TV show daily and
the reason I got one of them is

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because I won the Weekly
Challenge on the television the

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other day.
Nice.

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You haven't actually told me
anything about it, so please.

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Do.
I was kind of hoping just to go

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under the radar a bit because
it's the kind of thing it goes

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out at like 2:00 PM on a
weekday.

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And I was like, this is cool
because I can just go on.

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It's on zoom.
So I just sat in my own house.

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Just go on, do it, and then no
one will know anything about it

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and see how it goes.
Went on immediately had like 3

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messages on my phone.
Were you on telly?

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Were you on the TV?
Were you on telly?

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Someone messaged me saying your
brother was on telly.

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And I was like, who's watching
Steph pack lunch?

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Like I'm sure.
It's a great show.

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There's already been and done
the Ed already.

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Yeah, it was live.
It was live.

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I went live on television doing
a zoom call and it was just a

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very basic quiz show where
you're giving 2 pictures and you

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have to work out what it is.
For example, it would give you a

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milkshake and a spear and it
would say who is this

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playwright?
And it would be Shakespeare.

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So the gist of it was you.
One person each day, Monday,

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Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
The top two people who get the

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most in a minute go to the grand
final in the studio on Friday.

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So for a prize, Thursday,
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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August 5 in 60 seconds.
I got 8, so I won the week and I

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don't want yourself one of these
bugs.

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That's lovely.
By the way, can you come to the

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studio tomorrow?
It's in Leeds.

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New.
My God, not only was my cousin

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down visiting, obviously we've
got Rory now applied for this a

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while ago I didn't quite really
take into account how far away

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Leeds was and I just had to be
like.

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The context We live in southeast
Kent, so right at the bottom of

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the country.
It was a 5 hour drive on the

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phone on Thursday.
She was basically like, we can

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get you a train right now up to
Leeds and I was like my cousins

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down visiting Rory is like, I
can't just leave Rory, I.

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Love the idea if I've been on
loudspeaker and you just turn

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around and Lauren is just
looking at you with Rory, like

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no, no, you are not going to
leave as.

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Always, as always.
Lauren was very like, oh, it's

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fine.
And I was like no, it's not.

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This is not fine.
Of course I'm not going and so

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obviously I didn't go.
But I did get what I came for

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which was Steph Pat lunch mug.
So when our chicken dinner nice

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I.
Got one of them as well

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actually.
Oh, OK well, that's immediately

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going in the.
Bin go on the.

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Show anyway Hayden we've got
Martin Malone coming on teachers

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PT yes If you haven't heard or
seen him before guys listening

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now then do check out down in
the description because we've

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linked to his Instagram.
It's really interesting.

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He is obviously a personal
trainer.

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His background is that he worked
in a primary school for about a

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decade and now he's become a
personal trainer to teachers.

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He's really passionate about
well-being and fitness and we've

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we've we've had the chat with
him and and it went really well.

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Hayden what What were you
looking to get of it?

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Because we we got, we learnt a
lot I think.

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I mean, I was.
I was coming from a very selfish

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angle.
Not gonna lie, Dylan.

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I just wanted to get some tips
for me.

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But I'm hoping that I can relate
to, you know, a lot of you guys

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out there as well.
You get 10 years in teaching,

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your health goes down the drain
a bit, especially if I had kids

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or whatever.
You know, you just, you stop

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looking after yourself as much.
So I just wanted to get some

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little little pointers really
from him to get started with

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because I'm very all or nothing
and I find it hard to, you know,

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get that middle ground where
it's like we'll just do this one

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thing and that might actually
help.

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And I think he did that.
I feel like I've finished the

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conversation and I was like, you
know what?

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Actually I reckon I can start
looking after myself a bit

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better.
So hopefully you guys will

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experience that as well when you
listen through the conversation.

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And yeah, we'd like to hear your
thoughts as well.

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Like what are you going to do?
If anything, Maybe you're

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already, you're just super fit
already.

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You're like, that's fine, I'll
just just get some more tips,

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you know, compare it with my
fitness routine.

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There's no such thing as I fit
this rigid over here.

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What?
A what now?

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Sorry, what?
Fitness.

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Fitness.
What is this one?

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The Fitness monster.
I've never heard of her before

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We lose our mind pages, should
we just wrap up this

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introduction and get talking to
Martin?

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Guys, thank you for clicking on
Thank you for listening and

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enjoyed.
I was gonna say goodbye and do

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the Jingle.
OK guys, we're here with Martin

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Teachers PT.
We are so excited.

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Martin, if you wouldn't mind
just introducing yourself, your

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background and what it is you
offer that would be.

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Great, she said.
Martin teaches PT and kind of, I

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guess how it all come about was
almost by accident, becoming the

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teacher's PT.
So I was a primary school

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teacher for like a decade, and
about two years in, I kind of

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noticed that I put on a lot of
weight.

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Like a lot, a lot of weight.
And I just remember thinking

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like this is 2 years in, like
what's like going?

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To be like so.
Can't do this, can't do this at

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all.
So I thought, well, I'm going to

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have to sort it out.
So I got my own, like, fitness

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coach.
I was like, still living at

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home.
I was like could invest in this

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and just got him to teach me it
all and it really annoyed me how

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easy it was like like and that's
not me saying like, oh, I was

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such a natural addict.
Like I was never really a

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natural with sports.
I've got no hand eye

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coordination or anything like
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It was just it's so simple.
It's just it's almost one of

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those things though that online
I think it's so simple that

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everyone tries to have their own
spin on it and all the spins

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just messed together and doesn't
work.

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Little bit like teaching.
You get a load of people at the

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very top who hardly taught or
never taught at all and they

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make all the rules because they
were kind of in the classroom

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for like as a kid.
Like they they they saw teachers

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and I was like oh so fitness
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really simple.
Then I wanted to kind of expand

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my knowledge on it a bit more.
So either the personal tech

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training qualification needed
Guinea pigs for that.

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from schools doing it, they got
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Then they made tasks, help them
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like this little side hustle and
kind of I was like oh, do I take

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the leap?
What should they do?

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listen, if you want to go take

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the leap, go for it.
Be a supply teacher.

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If it all bombs, you be a supply
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You've still got a steady wage
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at Christmas, January started to
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little bit of supply going on in
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February was when COVID was
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All school shot, so the gym I
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play all gone.
And I was like, oh great, that's

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good.
And then I kind of threw myself

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into more online and that's
where it kind of, you know,

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become working with teachers
because to me, no one knows how

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tough teaching is till they've
done it.

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And the biggest wake up call for
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weeks I spent on the gym floor
when another like I was up to

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about 40 hours a week working 40
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people and this other PT comes
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do it.

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And I was like do what he was
like 40 hours is just, it's so

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it's so many like I do 25 and
I'm done.

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And I thought, this is a
holiday.

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I was.
I was walking up like 6:00 and

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I'm done.
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And I'm not any marking to do,
yeah.

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So I was just like oh, and it
just kind of grew from there and

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and I think the people have
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that, the response and
everything's been really good

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because it's it's what I was
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It's it is really simple, but
you have to navigate it rather

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complicated life and I did that
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So I knew I'd say 80% of the
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And then I spent the last four
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of teachers where I've tackled
99% of the other problems now as

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well because it is that balance.
And that to me is kind of what I

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do.
You know, I work with people one

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to one, giving them support and
structure that they need to fit

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around their life because.
His music, my ears here.

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And you say the beginning of
this conversation, it was just

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easy, you know?
Yeah, in my in my head, it's the

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hardest task ever.
And I was really looking forward

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to chatting to you today because
I am at that point that maybe

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you got there two years in
festival for another sort of

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six, 7-8 years before I really
should sort this out.

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Sat here sucking my stomach in
like, yeah, uh-huh.

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But knowing that it's easy, like
by the end of this podcast

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episode, hopefully myself in a
selfish way.

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And our listeners can have a
couple of things where they go

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away and think, oh, actually,
maybe I should try and tackle

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this.
And you know, that's kind of our

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goal I guess, and my goal.
That's it.

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I think as I say, that's the

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biggest message I'd give to
anyone that it is easy.

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Well, do you know what?
I probably, I probably change

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that.
I wouldn't say it's easy.

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It's simple and that's where the
problem is.

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And I think because there's so
much misinformation out there,

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people don't want to commit
properly.

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And then like you've struggled
with someone for ages, you get

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told that here's this really
simple way to do it.

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You don't want to commit to it
because you don't want to put in

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that effort that that simple one
does, Especially when you're

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teaching because you get you
give up so much of your life

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already.
Do you really want to give up

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more of it to not have any
results?

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And it's it's that thing, but
you start seeing them and then

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that confidence just grows and
builds and and and that's where

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it snowballs.
So I've seen.

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So I was looking on your
Instagram and I was looking for

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all of the results.
And they're really cool to look

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at because you get to see them
before and after.

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You know, I don't know how long
those time periods are, but they

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look really good.
Me and Lauren were looking

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through them and she was like,
yeah, let's, you know, let's get

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chatting.
And I guess the first thing that

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popped into my head when I was
looking at that though, is what

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is the biggest barrier because
you would have seen this now

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working with teachers time and
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What is that massive barrier
that stops us doing it?

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Yeah, it's going to sound
stupid.

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The biggest barrier school like
and I think that actually showed

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with the number of teachers who
got fit and healthy juror and

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lockdown.
Like, I know schools were still

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open, but it was a, it seemed
for 90% a lot more of a balanced

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lifestyle.
And just naturally they just

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leaned into like, Oh well, I'm
going to go on more walks or I'm

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going to do more hit classes or
I'm going to do this, I'm going

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to do that.
I'm going to start cooking more

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from scratch and I think that's
the biggest one for me it's it's

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it's working on that balance
with school and treating it a

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little bit like weight loss.
Like I know everyone would love

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to lose, Like if you've got 2
stones to lose, to lose another

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week and you feel great, but not
going to happen, you're probably

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going to lose a pound or two a
week.

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And to me that's what like
school balance should be as

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well.
Whenever I'm chatting with

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anyone talking with someone,
average teachers probably doing

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about 60-70 hours.
You aren't going to go from 6070

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hours to 40 hours overnight.
Or you can get from 70 hours to

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68 to 6664 and after a whole
school year doing it, you're

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down from 70 to 58 hours.
But then the next year you do it

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again and then you're at like
what, 44 like 4644 and and it's

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just slowly bringing that
balance there to bring

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everything else in.
So do you?

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Do you get quite involved with
that then?

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Like, do you see your role as
very much not just saying, you

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know, hit hear us and things you
can do to be fair, but actually

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let's work together on sorting
out your work life balance.

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Like do you get quite heavily
involved with that or?

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Do you?
That's that's the big one for

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me.
So like everyone that works with

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me will have a check in and
it'll be a a quite simple check

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in.
I always do it of like, it's

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literally on WhatsApp and it's
literally like, how do we go?

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Because could you the amount of
data that teachers have to do,

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could you imagine, like, you
know, you just sign up with me

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and like, right every week.
Here's this Excel formula.

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I want you to write down every
calorie, every protein, every

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step, every litre of water that
you haven't put it in this

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different week.
Wherever they listen, we've got

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a food structure in place so you
know what to eat without

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thinking.
If use a day where you're

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getting a bit bored of it,
you're going to have to track

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properly on that day at the end
of the week.

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How'd you get on?
Do you stick to it?

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Yeah, I stuck to it, or I did.
But, you know, there's a couple

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of nights when I had a couple of
chocolate bars, OK?

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That's all 200 calories.
Why do you think you were having

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them?
You know, chatting through that

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way.
And then every half term we're

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jumping on a call and just
chatting.

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And that's the biggest one for
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It's it's great when teachers
lose weight, but it's it's it's

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I love it more when they're
challenging stuff.

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When they're saying now, like, I
think early words we were, their

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reports were like four sides of
a four.

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And they've done them for years.
And I was like, why, why?

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Why do you do that?
And she was like, I don't know,

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they've just always done it.
And I said, I've spoke to loads

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of schools doing this and you've
got the most intense ones.

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And she's like, oh, do we?
And then she spoke to the head,

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and the head was like, oh, maybe
we can kind of change it up.

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And two years later, their
reports were 184 sheets.

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Do you know like all of a sudden
that's two weeks away, just

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gone?
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a huge,

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it's a huge part of some, you
know why we do this podcast as

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well.
And this is I think what

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resonated when we saw your
content online because it is a

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really holistic picture that you
put across in.

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Terms of health.
Of the teacher because there is

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this balance and it's a lot more
recently there's been more of a

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kind of magnifying glass on
mental well-being as well and

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this kind of balance between as
a teacher and I think as a

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professional I think they'll be.
I've got friends who listen to

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the first who work in, you know,
in offices in London and work in

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different aspects which are just
distressful.

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And I think it's really easy to
get caught into that rub of

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being mental well-being, not
being kind of given the light it

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deserves.
Which means you're never ever

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going to be able then to focus
on your physical well-being.

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Like how intertwined do you
think they?

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Are I?
I think.

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I think you can't do one without
the other, but I think you can.

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But it caused more.
It would cause more damage than

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good.
Like I've worked with people who

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their outlet is the gym and they
go for like 2 hours a night and

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they'll spend an hour running on
the treadmill and it's like now

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like you're just avoiding the
problem.

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You're you're not fit, You're
not healthy.

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You're just going to the gym and
killing yourself, you know?

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Or if you're if if you're really
good at sticking to your diet

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but like Ofsted coming and I go,
oh, how do you get on?

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And you're like, yeah, stuck to
all my meals like, didn't waver.

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They're gone now.
I'm just going to go be like,

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right, like your mask in this
rather than doing it.

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It's like coming up to Christmas
at the minute.

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Yeah, the weather.
You released this?

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Before or after Christmas?
Before it's a Christmas.

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And to me, like, you should be
able to enjoy those treats

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without going overboard.
And it's not that thing of like,

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you know where people go, oh,
you can count this chocolate and

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you can have this.
To me, you're in a great place

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when there's a tub of sweets or
there's a lot of cake there and

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you can see it and go, oh, I
wouldn't mind some of that and

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you have some of it and go, oh,
I'm done, right?

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This is the last time I'm ever
going to have these, so I'll

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leave them all then.
That's it.

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And the next day?
I had another one I'm going to

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give you.
I'm going to give you a scenario

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right now because you just
described me so on the new

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project.
OK, in this scenario.

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What do you do?
Because I think Dylan's a bit

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like this as well, right?
I'm very, very, very all or

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nothing.
I don't know if I represent many

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people.
I don't know if a lot of.

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People are like, I think it's a
super teacher, bingo or nothing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All or nothing.

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All the time.
Everything in my life is all or

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nothing.
So I'm either absolutely

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smashing a diet and I'm doing it
completely right, but I hate it

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because I love eating.
I love eating chocolate.

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That's my pet.
That's my terrible thing.

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And I find that every single
time I do a diet, whether it's

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I've tried different things, I
fail within about two months.

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Three months, right, Because one
day I'll slip.

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And then because I've slipped,
it's like, well, now that I've

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slipped, I might as well not do
the diet at all.

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And because I'm not doing it,
I'll eat the whole box of heroes

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rather than one.
Like, how do you tackle people

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like that?
Because we're stubborn, right?

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Basically, what's your approach?
To me, I think it's like it's

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never going to be solved like
overnight, but it's bringing in

449
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things slowly.
So I think one of the best

450
00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:41,150
things people can do in that
situation is track calories

451
00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:47,910
first without being on a diet.
So literally just like star

452
00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:52,550
tracking, you know, just don't
worry about how much you're

453
00:22:52,550 --> 00:22:54,150
eating.
Just give yourself, I don't

454
00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:57,870
know, a limit of like free 3 1/2
thousand calories a day.

455
00:22:58,150 --> 00:23:01,430
And what you'll find is most
days that you'll probably stop

456
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:04,030
when you're full most days and
you might have to be on date

457
00:23:04,030 --> 00:23:06,710
where you'll go up and up.
And it's just almost healing

458
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:10,070
that relationship with food in
that sense of now and that

459
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:12,950
couple of chocolates here aren't
going to do any damage.

460
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:16,270
And I'm really kind of building
that way.

461
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:20,670
And then with that kind of
starting to ask yourself

462
00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:23,590
questions.
And none of the questions should

463
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:27,190
be to stop yourself from having
stuff, but almost to take

464
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:30,150
yourself out the moment.
So like asking yourself why?

465
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:31,870
Why am I having this chocolate
bar?

466
00:23:32,030 --> 00:23:35,870
Am I having it because I'm
hungry or am I having it because

467
00:23:35,910 --> 00:23:38,350
I've just had an e-mail off of
parents and I'm stressed.

468
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:44,790
You know I remember a girl I was
working with and and we've had a

469
00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,350
couple of chats and stuff like
that and she sent me a message

470
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:52,600
and I was buzzing with it
because she said she they had

471
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,840
come to her and was like right,
we've got no one to do this

472
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,080
project and there's no extra
time to do it, but you need to

473
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800
get it done.
And she was really annoyed by

474
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,360
it, but she was just a yes
person.

475
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,200
So she said yeah, OK I'll do it.
And she went to a room.

476
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,400
She got out the biscuit in and
she would normally, she said,

477
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,320
normally she just nailed
biscuits till.

478
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,710
Yeah, they were gone.
And then she feel lousy still,

479
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:19,150
yeah, but she sat there and she
just thought, why am I having

480
00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:21,710
these biscuits?
And she wrote, Well, I'm having

481
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:26,550
these biscuits because I didn't
say to the head what I wanted to

482
00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:31,840
say, so now I'm upset and these
are going to cheer me up.

483
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:35,520
And then she said, And then I
thought, well, will they cheer

484
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,520
me up?
No.

485
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,360
She was like, well, what will
cheer me up?

486
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,600
So then she got up and she went
back to the head and was like,

487
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,280
now I'm not doing this.
And that to me was that big

488
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,230
thing.
She was like, what's the worst

489
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:51,070
thing that can happen?
Like, I'm already upset.

490
00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:54,070
I'm going to be stuck doing
something that I don't want to

491
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:56,710
do, like killing my weekend this
weekend.

492
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:59,950
And the head kind of listened to
it and was like, do you know

493
00:24:59,950 --> 00:25:01,150
what?
You're right.

494
00:25:01,150 --> 00:25:03,790
You can have a full day's PPA to
get it all done.

495
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:05,670
And she was like, OK, pay that,
but.

496
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:09,350
Then what you've just said there
is it is so common, I think,

497
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:12,070
like get into the root cause of
why you're doing it.

498
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:15,350
Very rarely is anyone gorging,
because I know, hey, I'm talking

499
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:16,710
about the night here.
We're the same thing.

500
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:19,590
We'll sit and gorge because, A,
we just aboard.

501
00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:21,150
Yeah.
B, because we're masking

502
00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:23,430
something, like you said.
And what's going to actually

503
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:25,990
solve that problem?
It's never ever eaten the whole

504
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:28,390
bar of chocolate.
Never ever have I eaten whole

505
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:30,070
bar of chocolate.
I'm going, do you know what?

506
00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:34,070
I feel fantastic.
Never ever happened.

507
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:37,150
So what you're saying, I think,
leads into that kind of,

508
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:40,350
well-being of teachers, Because
yeah, unless you're going to

509
00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:44,230
change your attitude in school,
that cycle is always going to

510
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:46,070
continue.
Because yeah, what you said then

511
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:49,630
that person broke that cycle,
which in turn only saved their

512
00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:53,070
workload that weekend, but broke
the cycle of the diet as well.

513
00:25:53,270 --> 00:25:55,790
Yeah, and that's it.
And anatomy is where they're

514
00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:58,270
super, super linked like that
all or nothing.

515
00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:03,510
It generally comes because you
start telling yourself, like,

516
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:05,950
oh, I have to do it this way, I
have to do it this way, I have

517
00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:09,190
to do it this way.
We're learning like, you know,

518
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,080
200 calories for a chocolate bar
is nothing on that.

519
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560
And that's why I think the Phase
Finger said that as well.

520
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,920
The more you track it, tracking
your food without dying, give

521
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,320
yourself a really big limit.
You just start seeing food for

522
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,320
what it is and you're like, oh
OK, that's not that bad Because

523
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,240
the the best way to get in cheap
is to have all that stuff in

524
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,360
your diet, to have that bit of
balance.

525
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:38,590
And you start to realise that
like, it's not the chocolate bar

526
00:26:38,590 --> 00:26:43,030
that does it, it's those big
long things where you fall into

527
00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:46,270
those bad routines of ordering
the takeaways.

528
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:51,400
Like your average takeaways like
three 4000 calories.

529
00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:55,830
And you know people will nail
that in one sitting and there's

530
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:58,950
nothing wrong with having one.
But when you have one on a

531
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:02,670
Tuesday night because you're
tired, yeah, that's when it

532
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:06,510
comes to problem.
And that's the you cut out by

533
00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:08,870
just having that little bit of
four process with it I think.

534
00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:11,750
You're absolutely you've nailed
that because I definitely

535
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:14,830
experience that all the time.
And we just, we both just had

536
00:27:14,830 --> 00:27:16,950
babies, right?
And and I remember on the lead

537
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:20,630
up to this being like, this is
going to be my catalyst to sort

538
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:23,390
myself out.
And here I am bigger than ever,

539
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:25,990
right, because I'm just more
sort of exhausted and knackered

540
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:28,950
than ever find.
My biggest barrier is that

541
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:31,350
routine.
It's like that ability to maybe

542
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:32,910
think a little bit ahead as
well.

543
00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:34,750
And it will.
It will get to dinner time And

544
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:37,190
it's like, well, I haven't
thought about it until now and

545
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:39,990
now it's too late really to sort
this out or just get a take away

546
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:43,150
or like this morning I'm going
to embarrass myself here.

547
00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:45,510
Right.
This morning I got up and I was

548
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:46,630
like, well, I need to eat
something.

549
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:48,830
But I haven't really got time.
We had a we had a meeting, you

550
00:27:48,910 --> 00:27:50,950
know, earlier on I was like,
I'll go eat something.

551
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:52,630
Didn't have anything sorted for
breakfast.

552
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:56,990
So I had a packet of crisps and
I had the rest of a Milky Milky

553
00:27:56,990 --> 00:28:00,230
Way Christmas Bunny that was in
the fridge and I ate it and I

554
00:28:00,230 --> 00:28:04,990
thought, what is wrong with me?
Like I loved it, but I hated

555
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:06,750
myself and I was like, what is
wrong with me?

556
00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:09,270
Why no is is routine, do you
think?

557
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:11,270
One of the biggest barriers for
teachers?

558
00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:15,510
Yeah, I think it always makes me
laugh with routine because

559
00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:21,320
realistically, teachers should
be the best at it because that's

560
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:27,110
that's like what, half the job.
It's like because it's so much

561
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:28,990
in school, like, I don't want to
do it at home.

562
00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:31,190
Yeah, yeah.
And to me that's the big thing,

563
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:34,910
like routines, massive for for
just getting in shape.

564
00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:38,750
The more routine, the more
structure you have, the easier

565
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:42,110
it all becomes.
Because everyone I work with, I

566
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:47,430
was talking about like, right,
10 minutes on a Saturday or

567
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:50,790
Sunday, sit down and just think,
what food am I going to eat this

568
00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:54,150
week?
What days have I got free to go

569
00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:58,480
to the gym or to go on a walk?
What do my school days actually

570
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,800
look like?
Because there's no point in

571
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,320
every Monday, you say, right?
Every Monday I'm going to go to

572
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,600
the gym straight after school.
But you have staff meeting which

573
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,040
goes on, which is, well say it's
meant to go until half four, but

574
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,840
it always goes on till half five
then like then that.

575
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Then you're in the rush hour
traffic.

576
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,440
You're not getting home till
like 7 and there you go, I can't

577
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,640
be bothered.
And then it spirals where if you

578
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,510
look at that before, I think,
well, there is no way like

579
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:34,710
Mondays are ever going to work.
Yeah, Tuesdays though, I have a

580
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:36,470
PPI.
I'm out the door by half free

581
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:39,150
straight away.
That's a great day for me to go.

582
00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:43,310
And it's that it's those little
things with that plan which I

583
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:45,990
think make it so easy.
And and even when it comes to

584
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:51,670
food, I am a very big advocate
for anyone I work with and for

585
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:57,990
everyone that even though it's
nice to have variety, we all

586
00:29:57,990 --> 00:30:00,110
pretty much stick to the same
meals.

587
00:30:00,270 --> 00:30:04,230
We do.
So like breakfast and lunch, I

588
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:08,550
would rather have the same thing
Monday to Friday so that I can

589
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:12,070
get it ready on autopilot.
And that was especially when I

590
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:14,030
worked in schools.
It's so true.

591
00:30:14,030 --> 00:30:19,190
Like I used to have chicken,
sweet potato and veg every

592
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:23,470
single day.
I did feel like 5-6 years and it

593
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:26,870
was literally because still
living at home had come in.

594
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:31,270
I'd put the chicken and sweet
potato in the oven with some

595
00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:34,190
frozen veg on top.
Put it in the oven.

596
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:36,390
I knew it took 40 minutes.
I'd go upstairs.

597
00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:39,310
I'd get changed.
I'd walk the dog for.

598
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:42,830
Half an hour I'd come back in,
I'd take that out, I'd put it on

599
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:46,830
the side.
That was done and and it took me

600
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:50,910
40 minutes from coming in the
door from work to have him a

601
00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:55,190
lunch done and the dog walked.
Now if I decided everyday like

602
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:58,670
oh I will think about what I
want to have tomorrow, it would

603
00:30:58,670 --> 00:31:03,070
probably take an hour before I
did anything and then that's an

604
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:06,550
extra hour you've got to find
from somewhere to go on the dog

605
00:31:06,550 --> 00:31:08,800
walk.
So then I'm not going to gym

606
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,400
because I've got a cock and I've
got to do the dog and I've

607
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,830
already been in an hour, but
it's that what?

608
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:17,070
You've done though.
Yeah you've but you've taken

609
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:19,630
almost that cognitive load out.
Yeah that's something the

610
00:31:19,630 --> 00:31:22,950
teacher have is my my brains
fall from school constantly and

611
00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:26,110
and what you've done there and I
think my healthiest I've ever

612
00:31:26,110 --> 00:31:30,230
been was when I was more
organised with my morning and

613
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:33,470
lunches that that's that is as a
teacher for me what goes out of

614
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:35,750
the window because sometimes I
think in the morning.

615
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:38,030
Oh well I didn't get time last
night because I was just

616
00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:39,830
stressed.
I didn't have my my plan in

617
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:41,550
place.
So in the morning I can either

618
00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:44,270
stay in bed for another 15
minutes or I can prep some food.

619
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:46,830
Oh you know what, I'll stay in
bed and then I'll go to school.

620
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:49,150
I'll just nip to the shop at
lunchtime and grab something.

621
00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:51,310
Always on an impulse when I'm
hungry, so it's never good.

622
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,680
My my best ever period of health
in school was when every morning

623
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,360
I woke up and I just put an egg
on.

624
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,760
Took 5 minutes.
I had egg on toast every morning

625
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,200
and every lunchtime, like you
said, I had chicken and veg and

626
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,440
that was because I I made that
choice that that's it.

627
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,080
I don't need to worry about in
the future now.

628
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,230
And I put it into a routine and
then dinners, we sorted that out

629
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:16,190
as we went.
That was something that we could

630
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:18,670
liaise with and then discuss.
But what you're saying there, I

631
00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:22,270
think it's really powerful.
The the only problem is when I

632
00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:25,190
fell off it and like what Hayden
was saying, it's getting back on

633
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:27,750
that train.
And I think what you're what you

634
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:30,030
seem to do really well for
people is that accountability

635
00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:32,270
almost.
Yeah, and it's accountability is

636
00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:36,550
massive and I think staying on
it is just having that little 10

637
00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:39,670
minutes and it's making it all
super, super simple.

638
00:32:40,110 --> 00:32:43,910
Like you literally knowing that
someone's there to check I think

639
00:32:43,910 --> 00:32:47,870
is massive, but two other big
ones are taking them 10 minutes

640
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:51,390
to go.
So like, I think you can if you

641
00:32:51,390 --> 00:32:55,310
kind of fall an offer on the
Wednesday, but it's near enough

642
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:59,190
made, you can kind of suck it up
till Friday and just have that.

643
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,160
I find it very hard to enter the
next week with it and that's

644
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,640
when you probably properly fall
off.

645
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,280
But if you're just taking two
minutes at the weekend and going

646
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,120
OK, like I don't really want egg
on toast anymore for breakfast,

647
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,990
what would they have, which is
similar calories and you know,

648
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:20,710
oh, OK, I could have that.
That's pretty same.

649
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:23,670
And I would say the minute like
we live in an age where it's

650
00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:27,670
perfect as well because like
that ChatGPT you can literally

651
00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:32,870
put into that, like, you know,
you can say I have an egg on

652
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:38,070
toast.
It works out at 250 calories and

653
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:40,910
10 grammes of protein.
I don't really want to eat that

654
00:33:40,910 --> 00:33:43,670
anymore.
Can you give me 10 other ideas

655
00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:47,600
with calorie breakdowns which
are simple to make, which are

656
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,110
the same, put it in and then you
go, oh, I quite like that little

657
00:33:52,110 --> 00:33:54,270
things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

658
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:56,070
AI has kind of come in handy for
that sort of thing.

659
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:58,310
I've got a question for you.
It's a job questions, Probably a

660
00:33:58,630 --> 00:34:00,030
bit cliche, but I'm going to ask
anyway.

661
00:34:00,550 --> 00:34:02,790
What's what's more important,
diet or exercise?

662
00:34:02,790 --> 00:34:05,310
And that's an open question.
So you can.

663
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:10,239
I think it depends on what you
want to do, if that makes sense.

664
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,560
That would be the big one I
think.

665
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,320
If someone wants to lose weight,
you do not.

666
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,320
You do not need to do any
exercise.

667
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,030
You can do it by just tracking
your calories.

668
00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:24,670
I like, wanna lose weight the
simplest way.

669
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:27,469
Yeah.
To me, I think where they're

670
00:34:27,469 --> 00:34:32,440
both really important we're
exercise kind of takes more of

671
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,590
that is is where you want to be
later in life.

672
00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:40,429
So I'd say if you're just
looking to lose some weight,

673
00:34:40,429 --> 00:34:44,190
focus on your calories, drops
off perfect.

674
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:49,429
Well, as she got older, like,
and that's where I've noticed a

675
00:34:49,429 --> 00:34:53,790
lot when I'm kind of looking
like especially like my granddad

676
00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:56,469
as he got older into his 90s and
stuff like that.

677
00:34:56,870 --> 00:35:04,360
It's like, I want to be able to
get up by myself for my entire

678
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,160
life.
I want to be.

679
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,400
I don't want anyone else in
control of my life from that

680
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,510
sense.
So to me, like lift and weight

681
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:19,670
is incredibly important because
if you're lifting weights,

682
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:21,790
you're growing and keeping that
muscle.

683
00:35:21,790 --> 00:35:26,310
And when you get to 30, I think
we lose 1% of our muscle every

684
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:30,270
year, which doesn't sound too
much.

685
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:33,510
But when you get to 90, that's a
hell lot.

686
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:36,910
Your muscles gone where if
you're building it and and

687
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:39,190
keeping it there, you're just,
you're just is.

688
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:41,910
That 1% if you don't do anything
is that.

689
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:44,430
The idea like if you do
anything, yeah, just just

690
00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:47,110
natural kind of you just walk.
And if you're doing resistance

691
00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:49,510
training, you're building it,
it's keeping it and then that

692
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:53,790
keeps your muscle for later on.
And to me, that's where think it

693
00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:56,910
is like losing weight.
It's all about food.

694
00:35:57,150 --> 00:36:00,590
Yeah, exercise doesn't matter.
Like I go to the gym, lift

695
00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:06,790
weights for about an hour.
I reckon I would be lucky Lucky

696
00:36:07,070 --> 00:36:09,630
if I burn 200 calories in that
session.

697
00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:12,350
Yeah.
Yeah, you're not doing it to

698
00:36:12,350 --> 00:36:14,400
lose weight.
Exercise is like an investment,

699
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,920
basically.
That's like an investment into

700
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,240
your future health and diet is
like that.

701
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,440
Not instant fix, but like more
short term.

702
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Get your body looking how you
kind of want it to look in terms

703
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,840
of like fat control, that sort
of.

704
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,800
Stuff 100% I think I was going
to say.

705
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,040
The interesting thing is though
as well with it is, even though

706
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,000
nutrition is like short term
with it, obviously the more

707
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,920
muscle you have the more
calories you burn.

708
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,640
So like later on if you keep
doing it.

709
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:46,200
I think a perfect example is ten
years ago when I started

710
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,800
training, I think my calories
that I bent worked out it like

711
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
if I wanted to be in a calorie
deficit it was about sixteen

712
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,720
1700 calories.
Where I've had like 10 years now

713
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,600
of training, building muscle,
getting bigger.

714
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Now if I go into a calorie
deficit, I look at about 2700

715
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,680
calories.
Wow you.

716
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,590
Know because you got I've got
more muscle more I'm more active

717
00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:18,310
because I do more steps and
stuff like that and it's that

718
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:21,750
kind of thing.
So as I say, want to lose

719
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:25,920
weight, Diet, longevity,
exercise.

720
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:26,840
Yeah, Do you?
Ever.

721
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200
When you're working with your
clients, do you ever advise them

722
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,840
to maybe not do it all at once?
Like, I don't really enjoy the

723
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920
gym, Maybe it's OK let's just,
you know, let's just get your

724
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,160
diet under control for a couple
of months first so you feel good

725
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,000
about yourself for a bit.
And then then you might feel

726
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,840
like, oh, maybe I should go to
the gym because now you know,

727
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840
I'm looking better.
I do want to tone it up a bit

728
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,440
now.
Or do you kind of go in with the

729
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,760
whole, like let's get let's get
both going straight?

730
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:58,790
Away.
Let's get I always want people

731
00:37:58,790 --> 00:38:02,270
to do go on a couple of walks a
week because I think it's

732
00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:04,510
brilliant for your mental.
Health.

733
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:08,280
As well or the big thing is
like, I think you've got to meet

734
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,200
everyone where they are and I
think that's the big thing.

735
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,160
And I think it's a lot like the
kids in the classroom, like, you

736
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,910
know, it's it's teaching
everyone the same theory but

737
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:23,190
then actually looking and going,
OK, where do we need here?

738
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:27,550
What do we need there?
You know, you don't put like you

739
00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:30,710
you want it kind of like how
the, you know, differentiation

740
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:33,430
works, where you've got the ones
at the bottom, you've got the

741
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:35,910
ones who are a bit higher up.
But you could as long as they

742
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:38,190
can still get there, that's
fine.

743
00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:40,430
But that makes sense.
Wouldn't put them on the top.

744
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:43,550
You wouldn't say, right,
Everyone skipped to the top ones

745
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:45,630
and then be like, why are you
crying?

746
00:38:45,630 --> 00:38:48,960
What do you mean?
Listen, I need all the support

747
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,150
sheets areas out as well.
I might even need to do a little

748
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:53,870
intervention group after.
That's where I'm at.

749
00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:56,510
So it makes sense to me.
Yes, you're speaking.

750
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:59,590
Speaking mine, I've, I've got a
question because it's kind of

751
00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:02,350
it's linked now, but I suppose I
just wanted to pick your brain a

752
00:39:02,350 --> 00:39:03,590
bit.
Now we've had a bit of a chat

753
00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:07,310
about the health side of it, a
bit more about obviously the

754
00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:10,390
business side and you stepped
into being a personal trainer

755
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:13,230
from in the classroom.
We we've stepped away from full

756
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:15,590
time teaching now, but we we
still stay in education.

757
00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:17,510
We do a bit of tutoring but we
kind of both.

758
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:20,390
Both of us here, I suppose, are
in that business world as well.

759
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:23,430
And what's really interested me,
and it's something we're trying

760
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:26,720
to do as well, is your content
you put out on your Instagram is

761
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,720
really engaging.
You know the reels you put out

762
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:33,150
it's it catches my attention
always and it's it's always got

763
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:36,070
a really clear point and I just
just wondering basically you

764
00:39:36,070 --> 00:39:38,150
know what what inspired that?
You know what?

765
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:41,070
What what kind of response are
you getting from putting those

766
00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:42,630
things?
Out there, Yeah, I get a good

767
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:44,310
response.
To be fair, I have a few

768
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:48,270
conversations with people from
it, but I think it's all about

769
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:51,870
learning and stuff like that and
I think it's that trial and

770
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,030
error for me, especially when it
comes to content.

771
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,070
I remember going to a like
fitness event and they had, I

772
00:40:00,070 --> 00:40:02,350
don't know whether you've ever
heard them, Sean Casey there.

773
00:40:03,350 --> 00:40:05,510
That rings a bell.
He's Irish.

774
00:40:05,550 --> 00:40:08,990
He's like 22 and it's absolutely
sickening.

775
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:14,070
Like he's he's like he's got
like having gone all his

776
00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:17,870
socials.
Yeah, he's got like 5 million

777
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:23,790
legs spread across them like he
he just he he just puts videos

778
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:26,430
up and he just understands it.
Yeah.

779
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:29,960
And I went to one of his about
two years ago.

780
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:33,390
Like I would say I I had been
before it.

781
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:40,350
But I saw it was like, oh, and
someone went, how do you do all

782
00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:43,270
that in one go?
And even like, what do you mean?

783
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:46,030
It was like, like I put the
camera on and it's blank.

784
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:48,790
And he was like, well, yeah, it
would be for me as well.

785
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:52,230
But I sit down and I write a
script and I do it line by line

786
00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:54,630
and and I and I make sure that
it's right.

787
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:58,870
And Minnie said it I was like.
Oh.

788
00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:03,350
Like, like, and then and then I
watched a load of other people's

789
00:41:03,350 --> 00:41:07,070
videos, like James Smith and a
couple of others, and I was

790
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:12,520
like, all these videos are cut
off, like because you're just

791
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,840
listening.
And that's the same with mine

792
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
now.
And I think it's just, to me,

793
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,560
it's a lot like everything in
life, you've just got to, you've

794
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,200
got to put effort in.
Yeah.

795
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
And as long as you put effort
in, that's all you can do with

796
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,800
it.
And it's it's about thinking

797
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,240
about it.
And and to me, the ideas come

798
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:33,670
pretty quick, because I just
think about what I needed ten

799
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:37,230
years ago as a teacher, and I
think about all the stuff I

800
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:41,760
didn't know 10 years ago and
know that there's so many people

801
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,080
who don't know that still,
because it's just not out there.

802
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,520
Teaching is one of those jobs
where I you, you, you really

803
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,800
have to have done it to get I
think and when someone ventures

804
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,960
out of teaching into another
thing that could benefit

805
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,040
teachers, I think that's so
valuable compared to perhaps I

806
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,440
don't know that you know I'm not
saying they can't do it but

807
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,760
let's say another PT who has no
idea anything about teachers but

808
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,000
just says I'm going to try and
get teachers are going to be my

809
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,350
market now I just think you've
got to know what's going on in

810
00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:13,670
that world to really.
Get it 100% I think you've got

811
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:18,470
to know.
And it's just I always think the

812
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:23,950
perfect way I describe teaching
now is you are self-employed.

813
00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:30,840
With a boss like you get you get
all the stress of being

814
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,070
self-employed, but you get none
of the picks.

815
00:42:35,110 --> 00:42:38,030
Yeah, like you're still on a set
structure.

816
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:41,150
You don't get to pick when and
when you don't work.

817
00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:45,470
You've got someone breathing
over you, but you also have all

818
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:49,630
the stress of like everything is
on you, everything has to be

819
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:53,030
done by you.
And there's some weird culture

820
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:58,630
in schools as well where if you
don't make it yourself, then you

821
00:42:58,630 --> 00:43:02,430
are a failure.
Could you, could you imagine

822
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:04,590
that with a chef?
Could you imagine, could you

823
00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:09,510
imagine with a chef when they're
like, oh, how did you, how did

824
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:13,230
you bake that cake?
Oh, well, I used them eggs.

825
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:15,150
Where did you, where did you get
the eggs from?

826
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:21,520
Have you got your own chickens?
Not as good then, are you?

827
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,320
No.
A flower, do you?

828
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Do you pound it all down
yourself?

829
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,160
No, no, I just bought.
That's another point off, you

830
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,000
know.
Could you like the thing?

831
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Like, don't use twinkle unless
you cut all the things off.

832
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:42,590
I I know, I know teachers who
have to take TWINKLE.

833
00:43:42,590 --> 00:43:46,350
They're allowed to use TWINKLE
presentations as long as they

834
00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:50,190
make their own PowerPoint and
just copy all the stuff over.

835
00:43:50,590 --> 00:43:53,550
Just snip it in.
Like teachers have got so much

836
00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:56,030
to do and that's probably about
1/2 an hour job over the.

837
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:59,870
Years.
Have you since doing PT ING?

838
00:43:59,870 --> 00:44:03,470
Have you, you know, Are there
any stories or scenarios that

839
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:05,510
are stuck with you where you
spoke to teachers and you've

840
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:07,270
heard about their insane
situation?

841
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,400
Can you think of anything?
Do you know what?

842
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,950
I will be honest and I think
this is another reason why

843
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:15,750
afterwards kind of.
I learn more on teaching and it

844
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:20,430
also probably fast tracked me to
being after my own health.

845
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:27,070
Was the first school I ever went
into and I still, I still don't

846
00:44:27,070 --> 00:44:33,670
think I've had a story that like
top it because the head there

847
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:40,230
was, I will say without shadow
those the worst head that's ever

848
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:42,790
been in school.
And the worst thing about it is

849
00:44:42,990 --> 00:44:47,710
they offered him, he did like
they offered him to like run

850
00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:51,470
other schools because they
decided he was so successful.

851
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:58,990
I was an NQT, I went in and it
was more on me, but I was like

852
00:44:58,990 --> 00:45:02,190
just happy to get a job and
wasn't really thinking about it.

853
00:45:02,350 --> 00:45:09,570
It was a one form entry school
where all of the teachers left

854
00:45:09,570 --> 00:45:13,760
in his first year.
He had to get a brand new staff.

855
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,280
That's.
Such a classic purge, isn't it?

856
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,840
And I always remember there was
a bit, there was like an

857
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,120
induction area.
You went in for a day and kind

858
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,600
of you did it.
And I was the last teacher to be

859
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,040
hired.
So all the others must have

860
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,280
left.
And one was staying.

861
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,520
And then they were like, I've
had enough as well.

862
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,520
I'm going.
But he was really kind of like,

863
00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:39,470
oh, you know, you know, some of
them have gone on to leadership.

864
00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:40,870
Some just want a different
career.

865
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:43,990
And, you know, some it's just
going on to new ventures.

866
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:48,070
I was like, oh, it's weird.
But yeah, OK Like, I've been in

867
00:45:48,070 --> 00:45:50,790
all good schools up until then.
So I was like, oh, that's

868
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:53,030
strange.
Well, everyone had their

869
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:54,630
induction together just with
him.

870
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:59,430
And then I was later on.
So I had mine and all the

871
00:45:59,430 --> 00:46:03,430
teachers were in the school.
And I was like, I said, oh, can

872
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:06,590
I go into the classroom for like
half an hour?

873
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:08,190
Like he was like, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

874
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:13,110
Went in and on the break another
teacher come in, they were both

875
00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:18,190
like about 50-60.
And this teacher comes in and he

876
00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:20,790
goes oh, who's this?
And she was like, oh, this man,

877
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:23,110
he's going to be taking over.
He's one of the teachers taken

878
00:46:23,110 --> 00:46:26,630
over from us all.
And he goes, that's not right,

879
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:28,110
it's not right.
We've got to tell him.

880
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:32,550
And she goes, no, like I've just
been speaking smart.

881
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:35,230
It's his first job.
Like let him make his own

882
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:38,510
decisions of an ego.
No, it's not right.

883
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:41,230
Like we've got to tell him,
we've got to tell him And she

884
00:46:41,230 --> 00:46:43,630
was like, don't.
And he goes fine and he walks

885
00:46:43,630 --> 00:46:46,200
out the door And I went, what's
that about?

886
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,480
And she's like, oh, don't worry
about.

887
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,350
It telling you no.
He was basically gonna tell you

888
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:52,990
don't work here.
Yeah, he was gonna go.

889
00:46:52,990 --> 00:46:58,480
Don't, don't go.
I was working on a just I

890
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,880
haven't got a job.
I got it like the last week

891
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,200
before you could like schools
for schools finished.

892
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,160
So it signed up with the Supply
Agency.

893
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,760
The Supply Agency had set up.
Then it rang and was like, oh,

894
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,840
I've got a job, where is it, a
bar.

895
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,400
He was like, oh, great,
congratulations.

896
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:22,110
And then he rang me later on to
be like, don't go there.

897
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,520
He was like, I couldn't say on
the work line, but don't go

898
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,560
there.
And I was like, that's a bit

899
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,480
weird, but I'll ignore that I
missed like every warning sign

900
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,600
went in.
I lasted 3 weeks and was just

901
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,280
like now I'm not.
I can't do any more of this.

902
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,360
Really.
What was it?

903
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,280
What was it?
Just?

904
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,720
Was it just everything or was it
he?

905
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,440
Was he?
Was.

906
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:49,040
I think he talked for two years
before coming ahead and he just

907
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,760
didn't understand any of it.
The two biggest ones for me.

908
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:54,630
Free.
Really.

909
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:56,950
Oh no, four.
Yeah, they're three weeks in

910
00:47:56,950 --> 00:48:01,710
this following phase.
One was he wanted their history

911
00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:07,590
six week mid term plan and I did
it, sent it over.

912
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,160
Can say can I have more detail?
Can I have more detail?

913
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:17,640
Can I have more detail?
It was 42 pages long by the end

914
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,840
and again it was the first
proper mid medium term plan I'd

915
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,080
done.
So I was like, oh, this must

916
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,040
just be what they are.
And I didn't know how bonkers

917
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,760
that was till I was doing
supplies somewhere and they

918
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,440
said, oh, we're looking for a
teacher to do long term supply.

919
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,440
Have you got any examples of any
planning you've done?

920
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:40,430
I've actually got on here.
I mean is I'll print it off, I

921
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:43,350
don't rip it off.
There's no paper left and it got

922
00:48:43,350 --> 00:48:46,590
to like 12 pages in.
And this definitely just went,

923
00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:51,830
how Long's this midterm plan?
And I went 42 pages And he went,

924
00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:56,720
why have you done a 42 page?
But he was like, oh, I guess

925
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:02,750
this will do like, like he was
like he wanted it like he wanted

926
00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:07,030
all your plans in and he
literally wanted like minute by

927
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:09,070
minute breakdowns of the
lessons.

928
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:15,950
And then they all your plans had
to be up on the wall, had to be

929
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:18,830
up on the wall with your
timetable.

930
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:24,230
And he would randomly walk in
your room and he would like,

931
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:28,350
make a point of like look at
where you were on the timetable

932
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:32,310
and be like, oh, maths.
And then he would get the plan

933
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:35,310
out.
He would go to like Week 3.

934
00:49:35,310 --> 00:49:38,870
Then he would get his watch out
and he would look what time it

935
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:41,990
is and he would look at the plan
And then he'd be like, excuse

936
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:45,230
me, Mr Malone.
And you go, yeah, OK, you go.

937
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:50,880
The children should be on it.
It says here at 10:20 children

938
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,110
will be on activities.
It's 1021 and you're still in

939
00:49:54,110 --> 00:49:56,790
the car, but do you mind let me
know why?

940
00:49:57,030 --> 00:50:00,510
And you go, oh, because like,
they haven't quite got it.

941
00:50:00,510 --> 00:50:06,840
So, OK, after this, can you come
and see me in my office please?

942
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:16,160
And maybe be like, yeah, so I
was like Jesus Christ and then

943
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:23,230
the and then I hadn't.
I had a lesson observation and I

944
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:29,790
think we last these come in,
they sat down, they were in for

945
00:50:29,790 --> 00:50:33,230
like Good Morning children, This
is what we're going to do.

946
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:36,750
Literally the impulse, which
he's already ticked off as, like

947
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:39,470
that was fine.
Like that week and the massive

948
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:44,280
amount of plans we've done.
He's like, oh OK, they went out

949
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:47,830
like that's a weird lesson
observation.

950
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,360
And then the deputy come back
and said to the TI, oh excuse me

951
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,680
miss, can you take over the
lesson for a minute?

952
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,640
We just want to speak to Mr
Malone.

953
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:04,120
And then I went in and we had
1/2 an hour like chat about my 2

954
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,200
minute lesson.
Oh my goodness.

955
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,680
And then the last one he did was
and this is again all in three

956
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,750
weeks.
Last one he did was he wanted to

957
00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:21,950
start a war with the Tasmania.
So he he used to say in the

958
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:26,590
staff meetings like just letting
you all know lots of you are

959
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:29,870
NQT's.
Your starting salary is like 22

960
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:31,710
grand.
Just letting you know some of

961
00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:35,670
the Tasmania because they've
been here so long are on 25

962
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:37,870
grand.
And I always think that's wrong,

963
00:51:37,870 --> 00:51:42,310
that Tasmania get more than
teachers and and we really need

964
00:51:42,310 --> 00:51:48,830
to be like 1 against them.
I'm really like let them know

965
00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:54,390
that teachers are better And I
was like OK this is weird but

966
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:59,390
then your governors, you had to
have a teaching one which was

967
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:03,230
his deputy and then he wanted
his secretary who was like his

968
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:08,550
best mate to be the other one.
But they all have to vote and

969
00:52:08,550 --> 00:52:12,270
they said we cannot let her be
it.

970
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:17,190
We have to have one of us on
that governor's so they all like

971
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:19,150
there was eight of them.
They all banded together and

972
00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:24,110
went right.
If we do this we all have to do

973
00:52:24,110 --> 00:52:28,110
it because if it's just a few of
us he will just go after them.

974
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:33,310
And they all did it as one.
They put this one up, and he

975
00:52:33,310 --> 00:52:38,680
said such and such one.
But I've been having to think,

976
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,560
and some of you handed me the
votes for other people.

977
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,160
Like, you handed me free at once
in the sealed envelope.

978
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:48,750
How do I know they weren't
tampered with?

979
00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:54,550
So what I would like is each one
of you to come to me during the

980
00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:59,390
day and help me face to face who
you want to be your

981
00:52:59,390 --> 00:53:02,790
representative on the governors.
And so they did it again.

982
00:53:03,790 --> 00:53:05,510
Yeah.
So they did it again.

983
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:08,390
And they kept it.
And then they stood up to him

984
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:10,350
that way.
And they got their one on.

985
00:53:10,550 --> 00:53:15,040
But like when I left, I was
like, Oh my God.

986
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,360
And then when I started in like
my next school where I ended up

987
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,230
there for like 9-8, nine years
because it was just a nice,

988
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:24,470
relaxing and really good at the
more I was there, I was like,

989
00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:28,150
that was bonkers.
Like, that was.

990
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:32,320
That was a man and I think out
of seven teachers that he had in

991
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:39,840
my ear, four including me, 4
went that year and the other

992
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,840
three I think went like 6 months
into the next year.

993
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,120
Teacher turnover is always, to
me, the number one thing.

994
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Now, now more experienced.
I'm like OK, if teachers are

995
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,390
happy in the school.
I think it takes a lot for a

996
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:55,910
teacher to jump ship after a
year.

997
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:58,150
Yeah.
You know a teacher of the kind

998
00:53:58,150 --> 00:54:00,510
of people who if it's not quite
right though they will stick it

999
00:54:00,510 --> 00:54:02,470
out.
They'll tend to do that and for

1000
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:06,070
the kids and stuff like that.
If if it's not happening and

1001
00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:08,350
there's a turnover, I think it's
a big red flag.

1002
00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:11,430
And the one thing I take from
that story is obviously

1003
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:14,630
everything is awful, but it's
the way it seemed to me like he

1004
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:16,670
kind of took advantage of you
being an ECT.

1005
00:54:16,830 --> 00:54:18,510
And.
And yeah, I see that a lot that

1006
00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:23,640
that inexperience of ECTS now
who get hired and are just hired

1007
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,710
in on mass by by heads like this
where the turnover is huge.

1008
00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:29,630
They can save money on a cheaper
ECT.

1009
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:32,910
They can try and mould them and
overwork them and make them

1010
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:34,950
think, oh this, yeah, 60 hour
week.

1011
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:36,310
That's just what teachers do,
isn't it?

1012
00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:37,510
And it just doesn't have to be
that.

1013
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:39,990
Way in fact even I remember like
the year.

1014
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:43,310
I don't know whether ECT that
presume they do as well but like

1015
00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:46,390
doing the NQT have like a folder
didn't you.

1016
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:51,510
Yeah and yeah go through it and
I got a verbal warning which

1017
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:56,910
would be a written warning if it
wasn't in by the next morning.

1018
00:54:56,910 --> 00:55:00,310
Because the deputy come and said
Martin I need your folder right

1019
00:55:00,310 --> 00:55:03,590
now and I said I don't have it
it's it's at home.

1020
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:08,590
And she said during school hours
your folder must be on you at

1021
00:55:08,590 --> 00:55:12,230
all times and take this as a
verbal warning that you don't

1022
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:15,430
have it.
And I was like and and it always

1023
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:19,360
makes me laugh because in the
next school I said, I said to

1024
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,280
the I had said to the head of my
mentor.

1025
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,990
I said because he said though I
started supply and then got a

1026
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:28,630
full time one when it started
the full time one then they were

1027
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:32,150
like OK, we'll do your, we'll do
your thing with you.

1028
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:37,910
And I went about 3 weeks in and
we went to a meeting and I went,

1029
00:55:38,110 --> 00:55:41,630
oh, I forgot my folder and they
went, I don't worry, you don't

1030
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:44,520
need to do that.
What do you mean?

1031
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,480
Are you fine?
Like like we'll just we'll just

1032
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,960
sign that you've got one.
Never did it.

1033
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,430
Down as a verbal 1.
Never did one, that's fine, he

1034
00:55:56,830 --> 00:55:58,670
said.
The folder is just at the end

1035
00:55:58,950 --> 00:56:01,070
they will say, is this folder
good enough?

1036
00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:03,430
And we'll just say yes.
That's one of the things that we

1037
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:05,150
talked about in this podcast,
quite a lot about the

1038
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:07,990
inconsistency of this job and
it's just being completely

1039
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:10,350
potluck.
What your job actually entails

1040
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:12,750
depending on where you go.
Because there is just so

1041
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:14,870
subjective.
Everywhere you have the national

1042
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:17,190
curriculum, then it's like off
you go schools do it how you

1043
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:18,630
want.
You know, you could just work

1044
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:20,950
somewhere that's horrendous like
you said, or you could work

1045
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:23,110
somewhere really great where
they manage your workload.

1046
00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:27,560
But anyway, going full circle,
obviously, you know, that was a

1047
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,430
really, really good chat about
about, you know, your your role

1048
00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:33,190
now outside of school.
I'd like to summarise if that's

1049
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:36,630
all right with you.
A kind of a set of tips, I

1050
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:39,230
guess.
Easy tips I think you could give

1051
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:41,510
our listeners to take away from
this podcast.

1052
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:43,710
If they're thinking about
sorting themselves out like I

1053
00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:45,870
am, maybe it's just a bit of
diet, maybe losing a bit of

1054
00:56:45,870 --> 00:56:47,150
weight.
Maybe they want to get more fit,

1055
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:50,590
invest in their future like
you've sort of convinced me to

1056
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:53,230
do actually in this episode.
What did you get?

1057
00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:55,830
What would you say your easy
tips are to follow to get

1058
00:56:55,830 --> 00:57:01,230
started today with this journey?
Yeah, I think to get started

1059
00:57:01,230 --> 00:57:05,670
today, I think the the fears,
big one for teachers is

1060
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:07,790
planning.
And I would say for teachers it

1061
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:09,390
should be the easiest thing in
the world.

1062
00:57:09,590 --> 00:57:12,310
Like, it's literally half the
job anyway.

1063
00:57:12,790 --> 00:57:15,670
Not 42 pages.
Yeah, not 42 pages.

1064
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:17,430
Literally.
Just sit down.

1065
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:23,040
Just think about the food that
you want to eat and then think

1066
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,230
when you think about that food,
like do you enjoy it?

1067
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:31,230
Having too many people get
caught up in is it healthy?

1068
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:35,950
When you're thinking about do I
enjoy it, I think that's massive

1069
00:57:35,950 --> 00:57:39,030
like you were talking about the
like grabbing a Tesco meal there

1070
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:42,430
and stuff like that earlier.
Like you can get a Tesco meal

1071
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:45,830
the the average ones like 7-8
hundred calories when you're

1072
00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:50,440
adding in, you know like the
snack and stuff like that. 700

1073
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:56,280
calories would be like 200
grammes of chicken, 400 grammes

1074
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,800
of potato like with like sauce
or gravy on top with veg.

1075
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,600
Like it would be a massive meal
that you'd enjoy and always want

1076
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,960
to eat.
And it's just taken that little

1077
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:12,150
bit of four process there.
Then I'd say when it comes to

1078
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:14,230
it, just make sure you do
something.

1079
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:19,240
So going for a walk can be
massive, making sure that you're

1080
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,920
just getting that fresh air.
Like find, like listen to a

1081
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,880
podcast like this, listen to
something that really kind of

1082
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,880
gets you going.
And then the last one, which is

1083
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,760
a killer for most teachers is
sleep and water.

1084
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,000
Like start with those basics of
just having a cut off point,

1085
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,840
saying I'm going to bed now and
drinking actual water.

1086
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:49,150
So, so many teachers I know who
from 8:00 till three just will

1087
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:52,550
not drink anything because then
they'll need the toilet.

1088
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,080
Where I used to, I was at the TI
was lucky for the year I didn't

1089
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,560
have ATA.
I just kept sending for the

1090
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,430
head.
I kept sending for him.

1091
00:59:03,550 --> 00:59:07,070
And within two weeks there was
a, there was like a policy of

1092
00:59:07,070 --> 00:59:09,630
what to do when you needed the
toilet when you were by

1093
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:12,440
yourself.
He was like, right, okay, we

1094
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,720
need this because I was like, Oh
no, I'm going to still drink

1095
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Mike, Millie and a half of water
in school.

1096
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,880
And if it's little things like
that, like the more you're

1097
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,720
standing up for yourself, the
more you're focusing on you, I

1098
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,160
think the better.
And it's just the star keeping

1099
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:33,960
it very, very simple.
Brilliant, Martin, really

1100
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,800
appreciate your time.
It's really helpful and we're

1101
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,880
going to try and take some of
these tips right now, so we

1102
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,560
really appreciate it mate.
Oh no, I've really enjoyed it.

1103
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,320
I think the more people chat
about this stuff, the better

1104
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,800
because it's it's just, it's
behind all smoke and mirrors,

1105
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,640
yeah.
And that's the trouble with it.

1106
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,750
And I think the more people just
focus on just improving a little

1107
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:57,270
bit each time building it up,
the better it gets.

1108
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:58,510
Yeah.
Absolutely.

1109
00:59:58,630 --> 01:00:01,670
What we'll do is we'll put your
Instagram handle and all your

1110
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:04,310
social description.
So guys, if you're listening to

1111
01:00:04,310 --> 01:00:06,790
this, you're thinking, oh, this
is interesting and you want some

1112
01:00:06,790 --> 01:00:10,070
really cool, clear tips,
Instagram is the place to go.

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01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:11,310
Teachers PT.
Is that right?

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01:00:11,310 --> 01:00:12,830
Yeah, the teachers PT.
Yeah.

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01:00:13,350 --> 01:00:14,630
Amazing.
We'll link it down below.

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01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:15,750
Martin.
Thanks again mate.

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Brilliant.
No fun for having me.