Ep 32: Teaching Assistants - The Unsung Heroes of Education

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach, Sleep, Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
Turn around.

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Please don't.
Some people don't watch it.

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They won't know what you've got
going on, Hayden.

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What do you mean our customers
don't watch?

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For anyone who isn't watching?
Hayden was full of just staring

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me in the face, right?
Then it's more conversational

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and I can stop looking at myself
on the screen.

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I must say I noticed it all last
week that you have not changed.

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You have not changed.
I must say, stop it.

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Don't try and mock me or how I'm
talking because you know you

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stare.
At me.

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I can't help it.
There's nothing new to see you

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at the same site you were 22.
I'm looking for the shine.

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Anyway, we're like episode 31
now, but we we changed how we

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like.
This is Season 2. 32 But yeah.

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Is it 32?
Yeah, Yeah.

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Well, goes to show, doesn't it?
Season 2 Episode Ohh.

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Don't know Eva.
We really take this seriously

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guys.
Hello everyone.

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You've seen the title of the
episode.

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We really, really, really,
really, really want to talk

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about taxes and we will get on
to that today.

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But as always, how was we?
Ohh don't said to me before the

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podcast you're gonna ask me how
my week was first.

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This time, well, you know I'm
the lead anchor.

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I told him I wouldn't.
You know, it's quite remember,

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you got no idea.
Remember my week?

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What was the story?
There's a theme here he can't

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remember anything that that
section went down so well the

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last week about me trying to
make you remember the lyrics.

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Ohh right.
I've so many people message

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about it say it's funny and my
favourite moment was in school

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today because we record on our
assembly day where we sing

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songs.
Yeah.

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And our singing Assembly day,
Yeah.

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I walked into the assembly today
with my children, dropped them

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off leaving assembly because I
wasn't on duty this week and the

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person who leads assembly said
to me, ohh I can't wait to hear

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your voice cutting through next
week.

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Ohh you listen and.
Well, I sing in the song.

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Did they do that song?
I don't know.

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I left.
It wasn't on duty.

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Ohh.
I see.

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I didn't see.
I dropped them off and I went.

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So I've.
I've got no idea.

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But I think next time
qualifiers.

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Fluffy, come on.
I might sing it, but with your

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lyrics.
Yeah, cauliflowers, Fluffy and

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cabbages, right?
Strawberries, right?

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And cauliflower ripe.
Everything's ripe in this ripe

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old song.
Yeah.

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Right.
Right.

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Right.
Right right right time our

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harvest assembly like it's it's
gonna be so parents come and

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watch like I guess that's the
time of year when they do get

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right.
Ohh man.

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Anyway, it's embarrassing.
Well, Speaking of assembly, Yep.

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I don't know if you noticed, You
haven't really moved me over it,

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so you probably didn't, but I
forgot to come to assembly.

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Unbelievable.
As well as the rest of your six.

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We were under the impression
that there wasn't assembly.

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I didn't even get the hint.
It's so funny looking back,

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right.
So the person that leads our

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assembly, yeah, came to my
classroom, right?

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Like basically at the time that
assembly would start, right?

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I didn't even, I didn't even
clock on that.

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It was that that could be her
assembly, right?

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And asked for a child to come
and do the do the screen at the

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front to hold Scroll down with
the lyrics.

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The presentation for assembly.
You guys.

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But if you're working in a
school like it's quite commonly

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there's a child in year six kid
that gets to like.

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Put the new CD in or Scroll down
on the screen for the lyrics for

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everyone.
And I was like, yeah, yeah,

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forget.
Yeah, I didn't even consider the

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idea.
That was because there's an

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assembly that I should be and
she was super light.

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I said to her, I was like, you
should just said you coming to

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assembly or Yeah, so I missed
that.

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But it did allow for something
quite fun to happen because

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obviously I was finishing up my
lessons.

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So we do maths and then we have
an assembly afterwards, right?

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So I was finishing up my maths
kind of at normal time and more

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layers of forgetting here
because at that point I'd

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forgotten that we weren't having
an assembly.

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So I was finishing my maths at a
normalish time and then as I

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was, as I finished, I was like,
wait, no, ohh kids, we've got 15

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more minutes.
I'm gonna stop because we're

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going to clarify this timetable,
right?

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When did she come in and get the
child for assembly after all,

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before you'd forgotten and
realised.

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So what's the timeline here?
So you did a maths lesson and

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you thought it was assembly, so
you.

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Stopped.
Yeah, I was stopping.

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Then you realised.
No, she'd come in by this point.

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So she come in to get someone?
Yeah.

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And then you got ready to go to
that assembly she got, and then

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you decided actually.
Yeah, but I didn't.

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I didn't put two and two
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That the reason she was getting
a child is because it was her

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assembly.
I just thought she was gonna do

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a music lesson.
I thought she was coming for a

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child.
She quite often comes round and

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we'll just get a kid from music
lesson.

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So I was like, oh, it's just a
music lesson or something.

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And then this is the ultimate
story for you.

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I forgot that I had forgotten.
Yeah.

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So then I was like, right, 10
past or whatever, we go to

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assembly.
And then as I was doing that, I

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was like, wait, no, we don't
have assembly, man.

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We've just finished.
Like we've stopped.

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We've finished the lesson.
I was like, this is great though

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isn't it?
Because we can do a bit of

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reflection now and they're like,
ohh, brilliant.

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So I got them all to do like a
bit of reflection on their work.

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I was like you'll make it easier
for me to mark, you know, I can

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see what your thoughts are on
this process.

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Did that for 5 minutes, seek
that out, still have another 10

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minutes.
And I was like, well, I have

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worked from quite hard today.
What should we do?

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And one of the kids said, can we
please watch one of your YouTube

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videos?
Ohh God.

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So again, if you haven't been
listening to us for ages, you

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might not know, but we do some
educational stuff on YouTube as

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well as a part of our business
and and some of the kids have

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clocked on obviously.
Because it's it is aimed at that

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sort of the ultimate hook.
It just.

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Is.
Yeah, exactly.

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It's it's, you know, it's for
families to prepare at home and

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we make some silly.
We do some silly things in our

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videos and in one of them we
were trying to be like, super

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cool with this video, with our
editing, weren't we like doing

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funny stuff And we had like a
forfeit and it was how quick you

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can do a Sats paper.
And if you did it under a

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certain time, then I got pied in
the face.

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But if I didn't and I failed.
He gets pied in the face.

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So one of the kids wanted to
watch that and I was like, you

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know what?
They probably will enjoy that.

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Because it is quite a funny
video, but also, you know,

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you're showing them what's.
People I know, and we were, we

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were genuinely doing something
very Sats paper related.

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Today we were, it was our first
lesson on multiplication and I

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and I, we were just doing pure
fluency and I showed him a bunch

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of Sats questions on long
multiplication.

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So it was really related as
well.

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And I was like, this is perfect
because the kids were like

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seeing you get pied in the face
and her watching it and the kids

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was so engaged.
I know I always say this with

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videos and stuff, but I have
never felt so good because they

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were enjoying it so much.
Just watching you with through

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this paper, we put like speed
running music on that the kids

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will be familiar with from like
little silly videos and they

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were like on the edge of their
seats.

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It was getting close to the 6
minute time limit that I gave

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him and it was getting close.
The last 10 seconds they all got

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up and they went 1097 and you
were on the last question of the

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paper.
So they didn't know it was going

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to make it and then and then you
didn't.

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You went over by 6 seconds and
they were like.

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Going crazy and they were like
everyone like, so they could see

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what happened and then obviously
I pie you in the face and they

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were just so happy in that
moment and I was as well, just

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seeing them like that, that I
was like, oh, I love that.

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And then what did they do to
you?

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I know this happened because
obviously then it was break

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time.
After assembly they got to break

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break time.
I send my children out, break

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time.
They come back from assembly.

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If they go, I'm sat there
marking maths.

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I'm just at my door, which is
open onto the playground. 678

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year six is just coming on
saying are you gonna buy it in

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the face.
He showed him a video and then

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what really made me laugh was
they all went cause in the video

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I'm hamming up at the start
saying I'm never gonna lose a

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bet Hayden yeah all of them are
going ohh I'm never gonna lose a

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bet to Hayden was really weird
listening to them say Hayden.

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But you know, yeah, yeah, never
gonna lose a bet to Hayden And

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they ran off and then this,
these couple of girls left over

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at the end and what was really
funny, a couple of my boys in

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year four now were in the class
and and they really like, took

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offence.
That's not very funny.

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I'm gonna tell him to go away.
And I was.

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Really defensive.
Like really protective of you.

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Yeah.
Like, ohh, that's not very nice,

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is it?
Umm.

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And then so these couple of
girls in year six came in and

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were like, no, but just so you
know, I do prefer you to Mr

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Stephen still.
And then the other one said,

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yeah, do you know what we'll do?
We'll go and call him Voldemort

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for.
You because he taught them to do

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that years before that year
group.

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That's the beauty of it though,
like we've had banter before

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where it's been a year group
that you haven't taught and it's

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just not the same.
They don't really care.

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They're like, ohh yeah, you
tried really hard.

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And I was like, hey, just stop.
They don't, They don't know who

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am.
I didn't teach them.

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But these kids, man, they just
love him.

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They just love you and they were
so happy to be able to like go

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and basically just bond with you
over something.

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That's what they wanted.
They just wanted something to

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connect with you.
But what's really funny is that

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girl that said to you you're
still my favourite.

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Though literally 5 minutes later
she was outside my classroom for

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the next lesson and I said yeah
I heard what you said.

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I hope you said to Mr. Price and
like this one girl was like why

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didn't say anything.
You told him you're you're

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you're my favourite, you're my
favourite.

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I was like, well, you just said
the same thing to to Mr. Price,

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didn't you?
She knows how to get her own way

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there.
Yeah, you're my favourite.

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Yeah, that's the classic teacher
trick every single year.

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Every single.
You know, you guys, you're the

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best class I've ever had.
Yeah, you're my favourite.

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Class.
There's always that one kid that

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says, what about last year?
What about last year?

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And they've got a brother in
there and I've been found out

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here.
Well, they're all.

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Different, my sister said.
You said that.

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That was just last year.
I've got two sisters.

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There's one before as well.
Really.

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It's really weird because every
single year it's my new

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favourite.
Yeah, it's really odd that it's

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really strange.
Ohh dear, so sweet.

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That was really nice.
And other than that bad news, my

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grass died.
Cool.

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Well, no one cares.
So that's what it looks.

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Horrendous.
I'm just gonna say when I saw

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it.
How you feeling?

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A bit depressed, actually.
Gonna carry on and pretend that

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this is worthy of talking.
About no.

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OK.
Anyway, you.

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Yeah, not bad.
I know there's been a whole

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theme lately when I've come on
and had a little bit of a moan

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because I'm a bit stressed, So
stressed.

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Give me attention and help me.
Please.

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I don't if you know he's moving
house.

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Yeah, moved house.
Moved house, moved house.

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But you know, I wanted to make
this point.

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That I feel, and I think it's
linked to what I'm gonna say

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about my week is I'm kind of
feel like I'm getting over that

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stress level it it's coming back
down.

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Yeah, right.
Across the house everything.

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I think everything like because
the problem was house start of

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turn one.
I think we underestimate his

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teachers.
How awful the start of turn one

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is for our well-being and for
our mental capacity.

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It just hits you.
It hits you.

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Honestly, it's crazy.
And I saw a a poll on X Yeah,

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thanks.
Yeah.

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And.
You said you stopped using.

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Yeah, yeah, I need to stop it.
Anyway, I saw a pollen there and

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it was basically asking, do you
feel the worst you've ever felt

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at this time of the year?
Right.

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And over 50%, like 6% like, yes,
yes.

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And I was like, OK, I get it.
People are feeling that rubbish

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right now and so am I.
But number one, it does go.

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It does pass.
It tends to, unless you're in a

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really toxic environment, really
toxic school.

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We aren't.
We just aren't.

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As we win a lovely school with
human beings in charge who you

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can really talk to about things.
Yeah.

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And who are really sympathetic.
And, you know, if you need to go

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out for every reason you've got,
you've got like a meeting at

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school or an appointment or
something.

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Never, ever, ever.
Is it a problem?

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Yeah.
Always above and beyond to make

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everything OK Really
appreciative of that.

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And it helps you get over those
moments, doesn't it?

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But like, I've got 17 things on.
Yeah, exactly.

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So unless you're in a really
toxic school, it does pass.

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And I think people are not
degrading how people feel right

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now because I felt that way.
But I think it's really easy to

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forget how you feel at this
point of every year because I

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think you always tell me how
there's the same point in every

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single year where I come up to
you and you go, I can't do

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anymore.
I'm not doing anymore.

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You do There is like there's two
or three-week period every year.

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I'm just like what am I doing?
And it's always as bad.

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It's always a stressful.
It's never any worse.

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No, it's.
The same.

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It's the same thing.
It's exactly the same, I think.

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Yeah.
And you know, maybe the fifth

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time it happens it wears you
down more.

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But I think the actual stress
itself and the pressures and

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stuff, time one is horrible,
guys.

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Like if you're feeling like
you're getting over that hump,

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well done.
If you still think you're on

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that hump, it will pass it.
Will pass or it won't and he's

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flying, but hopefully you feel
better.

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Hopefully it will, but what's
linked to that is my week this

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week.
I felt like it was the first

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week with my class where I could
really, really engage them and

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really get them loving their
lessons and really enjoy being

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in class because we spent three
or four weeks really trying to

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embed stuff.
Yeah, being horrible.

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Sure, you're thinking right.
Now just thinking, first five

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weeks.
Hated every minute of being in

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this class.
Hated school?

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No, they enjoyed it.
But I just felt it was Barrier

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this week where you know, they
they got their learning

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behaviours down.
Now we're not spending as much

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time to remember trying to teach
them how to sit in the chair.

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You know how to just hold the
pencil and you know what you've

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got to do when you walk into the
lesson.

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Felt like for one of the first
times and it's it's in maths

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because I just love maths, I
just love it.

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We've done rounding all week,
right?

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Which is objectively boring.
Yeah, like I honestly, you just,

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you're doing the same thing over
and over again.

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Just really trying to
understand, get into the

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techniques.
And basically, I've binned off

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my smarts this week and I taught
from scratch from a board, and

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this is through years of
experience and knowing exactly

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what they need to know.
For those that don't know, by

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the way, are smart.
It's basically it's like a

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teacher jogging for a
presentation, like PowerPoint

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slides that I think so, you
know, a bind, all that.

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And I just went from me, stood
in front of the whiteboard with

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the kids.
It was modelling, I did it, we

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did it, they did it.
And I was, you know, I know all

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the misconceptions, I know
exactly what they need to know

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beforehand, what they need to be
able to do after and what the

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end goal is.
Yeah.

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And it was just that I had the
best free maths lessons I've had

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in so long this week, honestly,
because I just felt like I knew

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exactly what I wanted from the
kids.

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The kids were so engaged, they
were laughing their heads off

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and I said to them we don't have
maths tomorrow because it's we

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got someone coming in to do some
kind of theatre.

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Thing did they go, ohh, they
were like, ohh, I love maths,

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all of them, yeah.
And I was like, ohh, I've done

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my job in these four weeks
already because they they want

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to come.
In That's amazing.

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My aim is to do that over a
year.

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Yeah, yeah.
Just to enjoy the subject.

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It felt so good because I was
like, I've got them, they want

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to be in here counting in fours.
They want to be in here.

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Seeing how many 10s are in a
number, like all of these things

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to the average Joe, of course
that's boring.

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But just fostering that
environment when they're like

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they're happy and they're
engaged and they're like

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shouting out eight and being
silly.

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Like, I just love being silly.
Yeah.

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And we we did today.
We were doing the four times

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table and a digital classic
thing on the board where we had

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a number number line.
So goes up to 40 and I typed in

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all the numbers and we were just
doing that really silly.

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Just the silly thing where they
were all so engaged because

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they're just children.
It doesn't take much.

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Yeah.
Where every time I got the rule

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on I pointed to a number they
had to say it was like we're

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gonna count and we always start
when we're counting.

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We always start from and then
about four.

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And I was like, no, zero.
We always start from zero and

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then that became a thing So I
tapped on 00.

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Good.
Let's count in.

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Floors then tapped on 00 and I
tapped on 0 again, 00 and

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they're like these.
I'm just tapping 0, yeah.

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What was he doing?
He's, he's a Nutter.

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So simple.
So, so simple.

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And then we were 048 and we got
to 36 and I didn't move my ruler

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and they all went 40 and I went,
did I point to 40?

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And they're like, I didn't point
to 40, say let's do it again

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then, shall we?
I did the same thing.

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And like three of them this time
went 40 and I'm just being silly

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and they're like, Oh my God.
And we just took away numbers

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randomly, just being stupid,
being stupid.

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And tell you what, at the end we
probably counted to 4025 times.

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Right.
They didn't.

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That wasn't.
They were just chanting back and

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they remember it.
Yeah.

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Ohh.
We always started zero.

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We always started 0.
You're being silly.

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That's silly and I just
basically, what do you tell for

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me?
Talking on and on how long?

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I just thought then but it was
that passion.

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It was that yeah, love again.
And I was like, ohh this is what

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I love.
About sometimes you just need to

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bring a bit of silly to make
something horribly boring,

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actually learnable and
memorable.

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Learnable, learnable making,
teaching.

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Learnable.
Make it learning.

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Table.
I'm trading.

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I'm learning.
I'm learning.

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I got it wrong.
I really have tried Ralph

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Wickham.
Today the same sort of thing.

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We're just obviously, you know,
we can't do things differently.

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We were doing in English a
lesson on prepositions and which

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is obviously just boring
preposition a word class that

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shows you the position of
something.

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It's so boring.
And I sort of said to them, I

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was like and they would have
done it like 14.

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I've got quite high English and
I was like, do you already know

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what this is?
And she was like, but you have

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in your head, if you are
confident enough that you could

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tell me that there's basically
nothing I can do with you today

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that you don't already know.
Hands like this if you're kind

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of like probably but I just want
to make sure and has your

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shoulders a few things actually
I don't really know what

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positions are basically no one
had their hands on our shoulders

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one or two though which made me
think, OK, I am still gonna give

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a proper input but most of them
like this.

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So we ended up playing some
prepositions song and I was

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like, I've got spices up because
it is boring like what?

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The propositions in general and
I was like, right, pause the

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video.
Like OK, if I point at you and

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you're not doing your own
personalised dance for the next

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like 4 beats of the song, I'm
not happy.

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Ohh said.
I'll start, I'll start play the

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video.
And I was like, whoa, whoa,

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anyone listening?
Hate it.

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There's flailing his arms like
the flammable inflatable tube

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man.
You get a few kids.

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There are few kids that are like
ohh God put that was like I

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won't pick them.
I'm trying to embarrass them,

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but if the other ones they just
like, please pick me, please

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pick.
Me and it was like we had

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probably like a minute of being
silly and as long as they can

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bring it back, and I know you
agree with me on this one, as

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long as they can bring it back
afterwards and they totally

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respect the idea.
That being silly is like a it's

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a moment.
It's not.

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It's not an excuse there and
it's controlled.

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You're controlling.
That environment, and I always

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say to them, always got that
meta approach of saying to them,

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I'm gonna do this thing with
you.

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But it's on the basis that
afterwards we go back to doing,

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we carry on listening to my
instructions.

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If we don't and I just will not
do it again in the future.

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And some classes do, some
classes don't.

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When they don't, you have to
stick to your guns because I've

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had classes in the past who then
just completely take them in.

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You can't do that with them and
you have to stop.

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You actually have to not do it
because the end goal is still

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that you can have evidence and
see that they can use them

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correctly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And and you've made the right
call there because that's going

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to help them want to do it more
and they produce more work

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because they're.
Exactly, yeah.

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And then they did a really good
task in the book because they

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were livened up a bit and they
had a bit of energy in the, you

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know, did some good stuff.
Absolutely.

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Yeah, good fun.
I know it's just fun.

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It's the best part of the job.
It's the best part of job.

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And I think because now we are
more experienced, I feel like we

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are definitely reaping the
rewards now of being able to

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just be like, now I know where
they've got to be and I know

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where they are.
Yeah, so I'm gonna take them

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there.
And if it means that I changed

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the way I'm gonna do something
on the spot or if it means I

454
00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,230
spend 10 minutes doing this
thing that someone else might

455
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,200
think is a complete waste of
time, it's like, no, I'm

456
00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:42,880
confident enough actually, that
me doing this is going to have a

457
00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:46,660
completely positive effect.
And the fact that now my class

458
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:51,140
love being in maths, I know, I
know now that I can take them

459
00:18:51,150 --> 00:18:53,620
with me anywhere and whatever
I'm doing with them, as long as

460
00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:55,100
I'm going to make that engaging
for them.

461
00:18:55,170 --> 00:18:58,400
And that's my job.
It's engaging and I know exactly

462
00:18:58,410 --> 00:18:59,950
what I'm doing and what I'm
teaching them.

463
00:18:59,990 --> 00:19:02,430
It's just a win.
And I think that helped me get

464
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,770
over it.
A little bit of, you know, yeah,

465
00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:07,690
I'm stressed, yeah, it's it's
hard work, but that is the bit

466
00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:08,560
we love.
Hmm.

467
00:19:08,610 --> 00:19:10,580
And I I.
I've heard of schools before,

468
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:13,560
going back to your point about
just going off, going off

469
00:19:13,570 --> 00:19:15,650
script, you know, and that is a
thing that we do.

470
00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:17,390
And I'm sure a lot of people
will be nodding like, yeah, I go

471
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,490
off script all the time.
One of the teaching standards is

472
00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:23,650
about adaptation, right?
Yeah, like adapting your lesson

473
00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:25,540
on the spot is probably my
favourite teacher stands.

474
00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:27,980
I think you quiz me on it
before, but I have heard of

475
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:31,120
schools genuinely across the
country where where they're like

476
00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:36,220
really, really anal about you.
You have to stay to the script

477
00:19:36,290 --> 00:19:39,420
like you make your lesson and
you do it you this is what our

478
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:40,980
lesson looks like at this
school.

479
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,720
Everything has to all.
You didn't do your mini plenary

480
00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:48,510
at the 45 minute mark.
Do you know what I mean?

481
00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:50,430
Like that was the thing from
Mini plenary.

482
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,210
Remember that no one says that
anymore.

483
00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:54,650
Mini Mini plenaries.
Ohh, yes.

484
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:56,970
Before my, my actual plenary
that no one ever did.

485
00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:58,940
By the way, we've birthed a new
character.

486
00:19:58,950 --> 00:20:01,890
Yeah, it's it's the best.
It's whatever you are.

487
00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:05,920
I don't know.
And angry person because.

488
00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:10,510
You have done a mini plenary,
but they're all really engaged

489
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,980
and they're making progress.
Ohh God.

490
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:13,930
Did you do the mini cleaning
plenary, by the way?

491
00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:15,880
Is when you go over what you've
learned a lesson.

492
00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:18,620
Basically, yeah.
It was a fad, wasn't it?

493
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:20,640
Was It was a fad like 10 years
ago.

494
00:20:20,770 --> 00:20:23,800
It was like suddenly the most in
education, quite often

495
00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:25,980
something, the most important
thing ever, and it's just not

496
00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:27,910
until another 20 years and it
comes back in again.

497
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,340
And when you're a newly
qualified teacher, you're like

498
00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:32,040
it is.
The best because at that time,

499
00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:34,710
it's the first thing you've ever
seen it, and I've just happened

500
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,510
to come in when they've
completely redesigned education.

501
00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:40,370
Oh my goodness, how lucky AM.
And they happened to have got it

502
00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:41,450
right.
This time, yeah, they got it

503
00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:43,400
right.
Just as I come in at all the

504
00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:44,940
older teachers.
They're like, we did this in the

505
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:47,500
70s and the 90s, yeah, and we're
gonna go back round.

506
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:50,510
Again, and it was good.
And then we and then as always,

507
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,950
it was a good idea.
It got taken way too far.

508
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,030
People realised it was loads of
work and it wasn't making as

509
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,950
much impact as they thought.
It was scrapped.

510
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,110
You know why?
Do you know why?

511
00:20:58,120 --> 00:20:59,530
Because you don't miss the best
impact.

512
00:20:59,620 --> 00:21:00,730
Quality teaching.
Yeah.

513
00:21:00,740 --> 00:21:04,930
I think teachers being adapted,
we can't pretend right in one

514
00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:07,590
breath when we're like every
child's unique, every class is

515
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,010
different.
You should be planning.

516
00:21:09,410 --> 00:21:11,500
You can't just go from a scheme.
Your class is different.

517
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:14,120
We can't just possibly go from a
scheme like that's crazy.

518
00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:16,230
Of course you got to do all your
own individual planning and

519
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,940
stuff, but by the way, every
lesson needs to look the exact

520
00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:20,030
same.
It's like, ohh, that's a really

521
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,370
weird oxymoron.
And it's also weird because it

522
00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:23,980
means I do the maximum amount of
work.

523
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:26,640
Isn't that strange always?
I've got to adapt absolutely

524
00:21:26,650 --> 00:21:28,600
everything for my class, but
also then teach it in a really

525
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:30,610
precise way which goes against
all my natural instincts.

526
00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:33,460
That he's ranting.
Ohh, ranting.

527
00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:35,760
Really weird.
It's almost as if we are

528
00:21:35,770 --> 00:21:38,250
literally professionals who are
trained on the job and we know

529
00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:39,700
exactly what to do to get
somewhere.

530
00:21:39,810 --> 00:21:41,210
And we still need some
accountability.

531
00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:44,370
Sure, but let's just have a bit
more of that word you talked

532
00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:47,230
about last week in the T Word
Trust.

533
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,410
Ohh.
Why you think?

534
00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:49,870
No idea.
Word.

535
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,400
T Rex.
What?

536
00:21:50,410 --> 00:21:53,180
I'm going for you.
Where are we going with this?

537
00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:56,180
Right.
Doesn't start for tea.

538
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,210
I did a play today in maths, you
know, but that was it.

539
00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:03,070
I think the only good thing that
comes from those kind of like

540
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,060
periods of time where something
suddenly the most important

541
00:22:05,070 --> 00:22:08,200
thing ever is at least you get
to do that thing and then and

542
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:10,590
then it can go in your Bank of
like good stuff.

543
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,630
Like, yeah, sure, plenaries
aren't objectively bad, but it's

544
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,050
not objectively also the best
thing to do all the time.

545
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,670
So sometimes it's a really good
thing.

546
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,630
Look at it this way.
Is not doing a plenary

547
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,140
automatically about no.
Exactly, exactly.

548
00:22:22,150 --> 00:22:24,430
But yeah, he's doing a plenary
automatically.

549
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,350
A good lesson.
No exactly.

550
00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:29,320
Is can doing a plenary good?
Yes.

551
00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:33,400
Cannot doing a plenary still
deliver Can I'm not doing a

552
00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:36,880
plenary not make a bad lesson?
I'm thinking no wrong.

553
00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:42,540
Anyway, I don't know how we do a
lesson double negatives.

554
00:22:43,030 --> 00:22:44,160
Ohh, yeah.
Ohh.

555
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:46,700
Anyway, should we?
We'll do it again.

556
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:48,160
So long.
Jingle time.

557
00:22:48,170 --> 00:22:52,600
Jingle that baby.
OK, welcome back.

558
00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:56,290
Should we do a joke about the
limb of the Is that no.

559
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:56,720
OK.
No.

560
00:22:56,730 --> 00:22:57,900
Problem.
We've done that every week.

561
00:22:58,570 --> 00:23:01,350
Today.
This week, this episode.

562
00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:03,870
Which episode is it?
I don't know.

563
00:23:04,660 --> 00:23:06,290
Season 2?
Episode four?

564
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:08,450
I think so.
Who knows?

565
00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:11,810
Anyway, you've clicked and
you've seen the title Teaching

566
00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:15,530
Assistants.
Now, first and foremost, this

567
00:23:15,540 --> 00:23:17,130
new approach we've taken this
season.

568
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,090
For a number of reasons.
We're very busy.

569
00:23:19,660 --> 00:23:23,610
I moved house.
We we our new approach this

570
00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:25,740
season has been to pick
something we're really

571
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:28,330
passionate about and kind of
just let the conversation flow

572
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:29,280
in our face to face.
Yeah.

573
00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:31,700
And I think, and I've had lots
of feedback, it's been some of

574
00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:34,070
our best ever episodes.
So I'm really, really enjoying

575
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,190
that.
And I have had that feedback

576
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,830
from people saying they've
really enjoyed the conversation.

577
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,140
When people say that when making
up, you know I have had.

578
00:23:40,150 --> 00:23:42,960
That no one was questioning you.
No one was questioning why.

579
00:23:42,970 --> 00:23:47,610
Did you feel the need to confirm
that I actually have my phone?

580
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,310
I could prove it, though.
You want me to another time like

581
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,360
to prove it?
Yeah.

582
00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:55,960
I came to my mind straight away
and it's something that if you

583
00:23:55,970 --> 00:24:01,320
are in education, you know how
unbelievably amazingly valuable

584
00:24:01,330 --> 00:24:05,210
and superb these people are,
teaching assistants and if

585
00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:08,840
you're outside of education,
you've there's this.

586
00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:12,160
I think people think they know
what their job is and it's

587
00:24:12,170 --> 00:24:13,910
because they're in school.
Obviously everyone's been in

588
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,120
school.
It's one of those weird jobs

589
00:24:15,130 --> 00:24:18,220
where, you know, not everyone
grew up in a banking suite.

590
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:21,090
Not everyone grew up in an
investment firm, like everyone

591
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:22,740
went to school.
So we've all got our opinions on

592
00:24:22,750 --> 00:24:23,700
school.
Yeah.

593
00:24:23,710 --> 00:24:26,000
And sometimes it's frustrating
when it's like, Oh well yeah,

594
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:28,650
yeah, Why aren't they just that?
Because when I was there it was

595
00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:30,790
just a man came in for a few
hours and read with me.

596
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,280
It's like ohh the jobs different
now so.

597
00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:35,800
Yeah, thanks.
A lot's changed a lot over the

598
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:38,000
years.
So Hayden, how would you say the

599
00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:40,390
main differences between what
you think may be teaching

600
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,300
assistants are perceived as by a
lot of people who everyone will

601
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:45,360
know?
A teacher or teaching assistant

602
00:24:45,410 --> 00:24:49,410
and teaching assistant to me
before I went into teaching was

603
00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:52,840
this old motherly figure who
just didn't have children going

604
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:55,280
in and reading with their it's
yeah, it's just being there.

605
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:57,600
So how has it changed?
I would say the biggest change

606
00:24:57,610 --> 00:25:01,570
is the idea of what they do
mostly in their role, which is

607
00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:02,780
kind of what you were getting
out there.

608
00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:05,710
So I'd say the perception
generally used to be, and maybe

609
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,120
still is depending on your
experience in schools, that

610
00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:11,820
today's role is to quite
literally assist the teacher by

611
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:14,960
doing clerical tasks.
Teacher.

612
00:25:14,970 --> 00:25:16,380
Or could you go and grab that
from the printer?

613
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:18,400
Yeah, of course I would.
You mind popping out, popping up

614
00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:20,010
that display whilst you're
helping this person?

615
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:21,440
You're doing that?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

616
00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:23,070
Could you just trim those bits
over there for me?

617
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,000
We're gonna need it after lunch.
If you can just get that done

618
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:27,500
during this lesson.
Those little jobs like an actual

619
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:29,580
assistant office Assistant
almost.

620
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:31,770
Yeah, genuinely printer and
things like that.

621
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:34,440
Whereas I think now, and I can't
speak for every school because

622
00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:37,760
it is still you know, schools
are the vast majority though.

623
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:40,240
Is shifted, Yeah.
The the general sort of culture

624
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:42,780
shift with with teaching
assistants over the last decade,

625
00:25:42,790 --> 00:25:44,920
I guess is that they stopped
doing that.

626
00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:47,120
Because that, you know, I think
schools like we're not getting

627
00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:49,410
enough money for, you know, not
getting enough of our our money

628
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:51,990
here.
And teaching assistants main

629
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,040
role now is always at all times
in school is to be working with

630
00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:58,310
children constantly.
So when it comes to jobs that we

631
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,160
actually need assistance with,
what we do as a culture is we

632
00:26:01,170 --> 00:26:04,450
just ignore that and we say to
teachers, they still got to get

633
00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:07,270
done, you just don't have anyone
helping you anymore, OK.

634
00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:10,350
And teaching assistants don't
get to do that job anymore is

635
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,790
just constantly.
Unless they are helping children

636
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,270
make progress, they're not
valued.

637
00:26:15,340 --> 00:26:18,220
That's kind of like the idea I
get now and more more often now

638
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:21,060
they're having to evidence it as
well where where is it was just

639
00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:24,100
like, you know, you just helping
your teacher out, you know, And

640
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:26,420
I think Mr P always says this, I
always mention this.

641
00:26:26,430 --> 00:26:28,860
They're called teaching
assistants and he's right.

642
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:31,220
The role has changed and they
are closer now to assistant

643
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:34,060
teachers assistant.
To the teacher, good office

644
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:39,100
quote, but I just mean it really
is at this point that they are

645
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:42,600
essentially like teachers.
So many of them cover lessons.

646
00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:45,940
So many of them are doing groups
which we kind of talk about in a

647
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:48,290
minute, terms of workload and
what they're expected to do.

648
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:51,790
But I just wanted to maybe start
off now because like I said, we

649
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,270
all know teaching assistants.
And I want to say right off the

650
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,910
bat that without the teaching
assistants at the school when I

651
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,900
was an Q and newly qualified
teacher, and I've said this

652
00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:05,250
before on the podcast.
But I really don't think that I

653
00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:07,850
would have had such a smooth
transition to going from being a

654
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:11,270
student teacher to being a fully
fledged teacher because they are

655
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,190
simply unbelievable.
And I had such strong TA's with

656
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,080
me and there were these amazing
people who've been doing the job

657
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:20,950
1520 years.
Yeah, always done.

658
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,580
It evolved with the times just
put up with it knew it was

659
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:24,940
changing.
It was doing this.

660
00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:28,500
But they that dynamic of a newly
qualified teacher and an amazing

661
00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:31,500
TA about everyone can have a
story about that and how they

662
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:35,990
basically brought them up with
them and I just wanna pick them

663
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,580
up basically.
I know that I don't know if they

664
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:40,460
listen to this or not, but they
know exactly who they are and

665
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:43,150
have one story.
It was really recently.

666
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,890
OK, so my girlfriend obviously
still works in a school and she

667
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:49,930
was talking to one of the
assistants who I used to work

668
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:53,260
with.
OK And she had bought, the

669
00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:55,310
assistant had bought for my
girlfriend some some chocolates.

670
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,230
So give us some chocolates.
So it's really nice.

671
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,080
And the teaching assistant said
to my girlfriend, oh, I was

672
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:04,170
going to get Maltesers for Dylan
because I know he loves them.

673
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:06,010
That's nice.
I've not worked it this morning.

674
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,070
Six years.
Yeah.

675
00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:09,430
So firstly, yeah, you know my
obsession with chocolate.

676
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,500
That's right.
Leave a really, really.

677
00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:12,700
We're gonna pressure.
I know.

678
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:15,760
And I was like, she said to me,
I was like, I do love Maltesers.

679
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:18,390
She's not wrong.
And she's just said, oh, she got

680
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,660
me some Maltesers suit.
And I was like, Oh my God, like

681
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:25,270
just just that thoughtfulness,
that caring nature and the

682
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,130
amount of help they gave me.
Just I think they are just worth

683
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:32,380
their weight in gold and what I
see happening in this current

684
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:35,920
culture of them being completely
taken advantage of in my opinion

685
00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:39,100
being driven out the 1st when
you need to save money what the

686
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:40,890
first people to go.
It's a yeah, it's true.

687
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:41,470
They are the.
Glue.

688
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,260
That comes in a minute.
What like you're going off

689
00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:46,740
about?
TV's been amazing, which is

690
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:48,690
true.
What is it, though, that makes

691
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:51,870
them a good?
What makes it a really good?

692
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,180
Obviously at the end of the day,
it's a job role and people, some

693
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:56,720
people are going to be amazing
at it.

694
00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:58,870
Some people not as amazing.
I'm not trying to say

695
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,450
everything.
If you are, you are

696
00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:02,450
automatically amazing.
Yeah, we learned to do our jobs

697
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:03,780
really well in the same way they
do.

698
00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:06,790
So what makes at a like proper
like?

699
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:09,160
Built here.
You think everyone wants that

700
00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:13,030
tea in their classroom across
the day #1.

701
00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:14,800
And this is genuine from someone
who.

702
00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:17,400
I don't think I need this.
I do.

703
00:29:17,650 --> 00:29:19,600
Whether I think I do or I don't.
Yeah.

704
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:21,810
Is is kind of like just support.
You do.

705
00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:24,040
Yeah, I really do.
And when I say support, I just

706
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:27,680
mean like taking off that mental
load, Someone you can share that

707
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:31,760
mental load with and you can
vent to and they don't feel like

708
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,900
it's their job to say how much
worse their job is.

709
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:36,560
Even though objectively it
probably is.

710
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:38,590
They just kind of got, ohh, I
get it.

711
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,370
I understand.
Well, how about I go and do

712
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:41,290
that?
Yeah.

713
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:45,770
And and and they they they they
happily share the load, looking

714
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:47,680
out for you as a teacher now
because it's incredibly

715
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:50,380
stressful being a teacher.
And there's there's a lot of

716
00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:51,550
responsibility on your
shoulders.

717
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,370
And one of them is managing your
TA and at a who can manage

718
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:57,870
themselves and kind of see what
he's doing and step in without

719
00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,960
you having to be told all the
time.

720
00:29:59,970 --> 00:30:01,620
But I'll go and sort the books
out.

721
00:30:01,630 --> 00:30:03,340
You know, they're sort of
reading records on their own

722
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:04,620
because they know that needs to
get done.

723
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:06,920
They're not waiting for me to
tell them, They just know that

724
00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:08,590
needs to get done.
And that's one less thing for me

725
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,990
to think about.
The more ATA can take off my

726
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,490
cognitive load and just do for
me personally, that's much

727
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,750
better.
I I for me it's very similar,

728
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:22,870
but it's I guess it's like it's
how they can read the room.

729
00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:27,710
So let's say we're in a lesson
and when you've got that feeling

730
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,530
that they're just connected to
your head because you might be

731
00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:32,390
thinking, as you said as a
teacher you're constantly

732
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,890
thinking like 8 things at once.
You're constantly assessing

733
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,330
individual children, groups of
children, the whole class, all

734
00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:40,170
the time so that you can adapt
to your teaching appropriately,

735
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:42,600
right.
And when you're TA clocks on to

736
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:45,950
what you're thinking and then
just does something where you're

737
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,560
like maybe you're thinking.
Can't do this because I'm

738
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:49,940
teaching right now.
But I clearly need to go and get

739
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:52,200
that table to listen over there,
or I need to go and help those

740
00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:53,540
guys because they look so
confused.

741
00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:57,700
I mean, you're a can just see
the same thing and then can

742
00:30:57,710 --> 00:31:00,480
fulfils that role to allow the
progression of the lesson just

743
00:31:00,490 --> 00:31:03,500
to carry on really smoothly.
That for me is like that is like

744
00:31:03,550 --> 00:31:07,560
the best thing at a can do.
Just see those moments and that

745
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:09,330
comes a lot of time.
And again, I don't want to

746
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:14,160
exclude TA who have less
experience, but every you listen

747
00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:16,720
to this and you think about the
school that you work in or maybe

748
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:18,120
the school went to.
Hmm.

749
00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:21,660
And you think about that There
will always be that teacher who

750
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:24,780
makes these unbelievable bonds
with the children as well

751
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:27,370
because they, in their capacity,
they they have more of a chance

752
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:29,000
to do that into teenage men.
Yeah.

753
00:31:29,010 --> 00:31:30,870
Because they can take someone to
the side and have a chat with

754
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,200
them.
Yeah.

755
00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:32,370
They can be that shoulder to
cry.

756
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:34,480
And when I've got to teach 30
children and someone just needs

757
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:38,470
a bit of support, I know that
there are certainly a who the

758
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:41,110
kids love to just go and talk to
because they can be like, I'm

759
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,700
going to get a bit of comfort
for two minutes.

760
00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:45,380
And I know Mr. Price is busy
teaching maths right now, but

761
00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:47,720
I'm a bit sad about this maybe.
And that's you can just do that

762
00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:50,000
for them.
And again, not not trying to

763
00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:52,630
denigrate teachers with less
experience, teaching assistants

764
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,730
with less experience, but those
with more experience have just

765
00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:58,610
been round the block.
They just know what needs to get

766
00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:02,090
done in the school.
When I was in NQT they knew the

767
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:05,270
way the school worked 10 times
better than I did 10 times

768
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,110
better.
So I'd sometimes be ohh God

769
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,300
yeah, she's just doing that.
The reading records do get done

770
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:13,150
today and she's halfway through
doing them and that's amazing

771
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:17,250
and I personally struggle with
how to use at a.

772
00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:21,100
House about to say the hardest
part of of a TA from our point

773
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:24,030
of view is is how to that the
whole idea of managing your

774
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,550
teaching assistant because they
are technically your assistant,

775
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:28,730
you're teaching assistant.
Found that really hard at the

776
00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:30,700
beginning of my career.
I wonder if you guys did as

777
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:34,960
well, especially because I
legitimately thought at the

778
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,360
start of my career they are more
experienced and better teachers

779
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:40,190
than me because they have
literally been.

780
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,940
Teaching.
Who am I to tell them to do

781
00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:43,340
this?
Can I say, well, I think it's

782
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:44,750
better actually if you just did
that.

783
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,610
You know there are going to be
points where you know that that

784
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:49,700
I need to do that.
I wasn't very good at it and

785
00:32:49,710 --> 00:32:51,200
that's why I think I loved it
when they.

786
00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:53,270
Just cracked on.
Yeah, I said the catch 22 is

787
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,430
those really good TA that you
looked up to and thought, Oh my

788
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,490
God, they better teachers than
me.

789
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,820
Didn't need managing because
they genuinely did all the

790
00:32:58,830 --> 00:33:00,720
things you have asked me to do
anyway because that's what makes

791
00:33:00,730 --> 00:33:01,940
them a good tea in the 1st
place.

792
00:33:01,950 --> 00:33:04,350
It's just that cycle, you know,
100%.

793
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,320
And I think what's winding me up
currently, and it's the thing

794
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:12,590
I'm really worried about because
I see them as such an integral

795
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,130
part of the school, such an
integral building block, which

796
00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:17,070
are almost invisible from the
outside.

797
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,760
And I love it when kids come in
with presents and stuff and they

798
00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:23,390
include the tea and like, yeah,
because they, they are just as

799
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,350
involved.
It's our class and we work

800
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,470
together to help everyone in the
classroom.

801
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,550
And I just think I'm really
worried now.

802
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,700
I don't know what you think
about this, but the squeeze that

803
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:37,950
we've seen in schools over the
years, they're the first ones

804
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,810
that, you know, you can look at
and go, oh, there we can shave

805
00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:44,560
off 10 grand.
Ohh on insulting number as well.

806
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:46,730
Can I just say what insulting
number TA is?

807
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:49,640
If you don't know if you're in
this world, are just not paid.

808
00:33:49,910 --> 00:33:51,520
They're just not paid enough
money.

809
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:54,690
It is.
Think isn't well, you know, why

810
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:57,140
don't you?
Yeah, it's because it's it's

811
00:33:57,150 --> 00:34:01,080
seen traditionally as a very
cushy little time where if your

812
00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:03,380
kids are in school, drop them
off and stick it to.

813
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:07,280
Your mother job isn't it like
back in the olden days, you know

814
00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:11,750
when it was like when you could
live on one one parents wage

815
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,130
income and it would be it very
typical because I remember from

816
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:18,260
my because it was all my friends
mums basically were the TAS.

817
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:20,360
It was like, yeah, they came in
because they worked school hours

818
00:34:20,370 --> 00:34:23,350
and they pick their kids up from
school and you know, obviously

819
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,080
you you get blokes as well, but
it has very traditionally been.

820
00:34:26,170 --> 00:34:28,850
That exact role there, well,
that's part of the reason why

821
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:30,830
it's paid so badly.
Because I was pushed, you know,

822
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,250
just take it anyway because
they're off one salary, they're

823
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:34,690
off on salary.
This is your bonus money,

824
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:36,409
keeping mum busy whilst you're
at work.

825
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,920
It's such a serious.
Job.

826
00:34:37,929 --> 00:34:39,650
We've kept that.
Yeah, yeah, we've kept that

827
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:42,570
element of the culture.
But then over time, made the job

828
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,510
unbelievably harder.
It used to be like that.

829
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,730
Yeah.
Just come and do some reading.

830
00:34:45,739 --> 00:34:47,310
Could you just help the help?
The teacher?

831
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,969
They got loads of stuff.
They gotta get this display up

832
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:50,310
and I gotta do this trimming.
Can you do that?

833
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,389
And read this to some kids.
And that was it.

834
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:54,270
And now it's not that.
Now it's Hiya.

835
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,570
Can you be a teacher?
Are we going to treat you like

836
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:57,670
one?
You're gonna be as responsible

837
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,070
as one.
And you're going to be held as

838
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,220
accountable as a teacher at all
times because you're gonna be

839
00:35:01,230 --> 00:35:03,790
helping kids at all times and if
we catch you doing anything

840
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,480
clerical, then you're gonna be
in trouble.

841
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:07,310
That's what it is like in a lot
of schools.

842
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,900
I think our school does it just
right, by the way, I think

843
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:15,550
there's a balance between where
that's expectation and it's

844
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,690
ridiculously overbearing and
also like the proper old

845
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,590
fashioned sort of look of yeah,
just go in and help out for a

846
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,320
bit.
I think the best schools and I

847
00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:24,750
think our schools are really
good example of this are when

848
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,250
the first priority is always to
help the children, but.

849
00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:32,030
If there is an opportunity to
also reduce the cognitive work,

850
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,630
that load of of a teacher and
help them out with something and

851
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,530
just be helpful being assistant
because you've got this pocket

852
00:35:37,540 --> 00:35:41,810
of time, that's also OK Yeah.
You're not going to be fired or

853
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:43,000
what are you doing out there?
Trimming.

854
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:47,270
That's yeah, it took 3 minutes.
The kids are cracking on right

855
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,810
now.
This priority came into place

856
00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:50,410
because they got a lesson after
break.

857
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:52,370
You know what I mean?
And it's like I think when,

858
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:55,310
when, when the balance is there
wholesome approach.

859
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:56,530
It is.
It is wholesome.

860
00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:59,150
I love the idea that we've kind
of created this kind of mystical

861
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,390
school from all the stories you
heard, right where where

862
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,500
everything's horrific,
everything's wrong.

863
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:05,590
We're like, we always compare it
to this school where there's

864
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,350
like 15 learning walks a week.
Yeah.

865
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,690
And then someone walks around
like, excuse me, it's your TA

866
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:11,230
getting staples out of the.
Wall.

867
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,560
It could be reading with him.
It doesn't happen, though it

868
00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:14,610
does happen.
It does happen.

869
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:18,610
It literally happens that you
know if it's not seen as a task

870
00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:21,980
which is you know can be tracked
and can be monitored and can we

871
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:23,450
can see outcome from it at the
end.

872
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:26,390
For children, do you know what?
Sometimes something just needs

873
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,780
doing.
And especially when people from

874
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:31,870
the top putting these jobs onto
people and then getting annoyed

875
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,490
when we're using whatever hands
we have free to do.

876
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,370
So I can think of one example
right now where, for example,

877
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:38,440
displays, right?
Yeah.

878
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:42,390
So let's imagine for a minute
from the top down, suddenly you

879
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,180
just decide that all of the
displays need doing again in all

880
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:48,110
the corridors.
Yeah, OK, OK, that's just extra

881
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,490
work.
That's just something I've just

882
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,390
got to not only come up with,
which I find horrendously

883
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,770
difficult, I've got to come up
with what to put on these

884
00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:58,150
displays.
But also, I've got to then do

885
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,550
it.
I've got to make sure it looks

886
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:00,890
good.
You got to put it up.

887
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,570
Do you know what if I'm teaching
maths so my kids are getting on

888
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:05,530
OK and I've looked them up and I
know that they're getting on

889
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:08,250
their independently and I come
out of this group and Mattia

890
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,660
goes, ohh anything I can do?
I What should never be in a

891
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:13,880
position where I feel bad
saying, oh, could you just go

892
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:15,320
and do that for me?
Yeah, yeah.

893
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:16,800
But that is the toxic culture
in.

894
00:37:16,810 --> 00:37:19,100
Some schools I've been in that
position and I felt bad about it

895
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:22,120
and I've said, and I've made the
decision to them not to do that,

896
00:37:22,510 --> 00:37:25,300
but to stay in the classroom in
case someone came round and saw

897
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:27,930
them outside of the classroom
because be in trouble, they're

898
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:29,860
in trouble.
I'd be in trouble as if I can't,

899
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:31,730
as if I'm not professional
enough to make the judgement

900
00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:34,010
that that successful in that
time, the hour that that's gonna

901
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:36,130
save me is gonna save me an hour
doing that.

902
00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:37,970
I can plan a better lesson.
By the way, sorry, who gave me

903
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:39,860
an hour of work?
Ohh, it was you who's moaning.

904
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,320
Get in the bin.
Get in the bin.

905
00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:44,460
Get in the bin.
But yeah, I mean I've I want to

906
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:46,980
dive a bit more now into because
I've got friends who are TA's,

907
00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:49,080
right?
I've got you know friends.

908
00:37:49,090 --> 00:37:50,100
I've worked.
I've got friends.

909
00:37:50,110 --> 00:37:55,870
Yeah.
I've got friends and and I

910
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,270
obviously know lots of tags from
school.

911
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,730
And I think something that's
really toxic that teachers can

912
00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:02,330
do.
Every teacher, by the way,

913
00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:04,360
probably me at some point.
And it is toxic.

914
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:06,950
I think a big part of calling
that toxic stuff is knowing that

915
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,430
you're not gonna be exempt from
it yourself.

916
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,070
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm pretty sure I've had this

917
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,900
attitude to it wise and I'm
trying to.

918
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:13,070
Yeah.
Very wise.

919
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,550
Learning, OK.
Learning about myself, humble,

920
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,240
saying that I'm bad at things so
that I can then say I'm good at

921
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:23,750
things and be balanced.
So I think it is toxic though

922
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,050
that we have such a culture in
teaching that is stuff needs to

923
00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:31,650
get done and it is widely
accepted that outside of our

924
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:33,800
contracted hours and it's
literally part of our clauses

925
00:38:33,810 --> 00:38:35,910
that we need to do work outside
of our contracted hours.

926
00:38:37,330 --> 00:38:40,660
I've got a big problem with the
same expectation for teaching

927
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:43,220
assistants.
Yeah, I think it's insulting.

928
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:46,580
I think it's rude.
I think it's just horrible thing

929
00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:50,760
to place onto them that if you
ever expect you're teaching

930
00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:54,260
assistant to do anything outside
of their contract, then it winds

931
00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:58,040
me up anything outside of their
contracted hours, you need to

932
00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:00,880
get over yourself.
And this comes from teachers a

933
00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:02,130
lot of the time.
And there's gonna be teachers

934
00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:04,940
out there who've done it.
And I'm talking to you guys.

935
00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:07,360
Yes, of course.
As always, I'm talking to anyone

936
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:10,620
in power positions of power who
think that it's acceptable to do

937
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:12,000
because it makes your life a bit
easier.

938
00:39:12,110 --> 00:39:13,280
Ohh, yeah, it's like a bit
easier.

939
00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:16,370
I just say Ohh, by the way,
yeah, you can choose when to do

940
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:17,460
this.
You can either do it after

941
00:39:17,470 --> 00:39:19,320
school or you can do it the
weekend.

942
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:22,380
So both terrible.
Both outside my options, both

943
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:23,970
outside my hours.
And you're making it like, I've

944
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:26,340
got a choice.
Yeah, I'm not doing it.

945
00:39:26,350 --> 00:39:29,210
And if you're at A, you'll
probably just do it because

946
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:30,350
you're like, I don't want to
rock the boat.

947
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,500
I've got this, I've got this
cushy job.

948
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:35,100
It's not crusty, It's hard.
It's a good job.

949
00:39:35,110 --> 00:39:37,680
We need to start respecting
them, even start paying them

950
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:41,260
properly or respect their time.
Because you said one thing,

951
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:44,330
doing it to teachers, remember
on what is essentially a good

952
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,490
salary, whether we like it or
not, yeah, that's a separate

953
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:49,010
conversation.
Doing it to the TA, it's a joke.

954
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:53,050
No one at Asda, no one at Tesco
works and then their manager

955
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:54,350
goes well.
I was wondering did you want to

956
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,690
price up those things tonight at
home or at the weekend when you?

957
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,770
Were you were like jog on, you
wouldn't never fly.

958
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:01,570
What for overtime.
I'm gonna pay more, get paid

959
00:40:01,580 --> 00:40:03,090
more for the overtime.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

960
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,050
Right.
It winds me up.

961
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:06,300
And we're in that culture right
now and it's covered.

962
00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:07,680
Supervisors.
They're.

963
00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:09,190
Teachers.
Would you say that very quickly

964
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,410
Because because TA contracts are
generally different, they at

965
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:13,990
least they can claim overtime.
Yeah.

966
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,260
So in in most schools.
I don't know.

967
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:17,710
It's the same in every school.
Academies probably have their

968
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,020
own ways of going around it.
We're gonna do a whole, whole

969
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:22,000
episode on Academies.
No, we already have the title of

970
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:24,310
the episode.
Yeah, we need to talk about

971
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,430
Academy.
Trusts we do.

972
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,870
So you'll see that in the future
because it's very interesting

973
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,170
how they can just basically bend
the already broken rules.

974
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:34,180
Anyway, I don't what I'm saying
what I'm saying.

975
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:36,290
I've forgotten.
I've forgotten what was the

976
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:37,770
point.
I took a drink because I thought

977
00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:39,790
he's talking I.
Don't talk to me.

978
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,270
What's the point you talking
about?

979
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,440
You were talking about TA and
their contract and how?

980
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,870
Ohh, they can have came over.
So at least they tell you to

981
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,510
forget anything for 10 seconds.
Yeah, I think you're talking

982
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,870
about the strawberries being
ripe.

983
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,800
Yeah, so the strawberries arrive
in the teas are Ripper, so at

984
00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:56,550
least they can.
There is that system to claim

985
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,910
overtime, but you're right
though, it's still gets abused

986
00:40:58,950 --> 00:41:01,390
that time.
Still gets abused of like, Oh

987
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,110
yeah, just get this done at some
point and then if they dare

988
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,300
claim overtime for it like you
claim over time for why didn't

989
00:41:06,310 --> 00:41:08,210
you do it then?
When?

990
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,030
I'm sorry.
And by the way, you're not

991
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,070
allowed to do anything during
lesson time other than sat next

992
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,190
to a child supporting them.
Yeah, it's the catch 22.

993
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,870
You can't have these standards,
man.

994
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,830
If you want someone to do a job,
pay them to do the job.

995
00:41:19,870 --> 00:41:21,350
I wonder how many schools are
like that still.

996
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,310
I'll be interested in.
Maybe you could write.

997
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,840
I think it's different though.
You're saying about claiming

998
00:41:25,850 --> 00:41:27,590
overtime.
If there's like a meeting after

999
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,640
school or there's some training,
then it's very normal to claim

1000
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:32,600
overtime.
But if it's like, sorry, I want

1001
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:35,040
you to run this phonics group, I
want you to run this maths

1002
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:37,850
group, catch up right?
And it just needs to get planned

1003
00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:39,360
at some point.
But by the way, you're not

1004
00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:41,130
allowed to drink some.
Obviously you want to be

1005
00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:44,610
supporting people so that no,
no, no, and can you just can you

1006
00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:46,770
next week that starts.
You're so right because that

1007
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:49,030
that's when the teacher
expectation creeps in because

1008
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,840
obviously we are expected to
plan in our own time generally

1009
00:41:51,850 --> 00:41:53,130
enough.
It's just our contract.

1010
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,690
We get paid a lot more.
We get paid a lot more than TAS

1011
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:58,050
to do that and it's still
something that we're like.

1012
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:00,870
It's a bit annoying though.
This kind of loose expectation

1013
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,440
of that could be stretched to
hours and hours at the weekend.

1014
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:05,880
But when it comes to Taylor's
right, I'll just summarise this

1015
00:42:05,890 --> 00:42:08,850
point and we'll finish this.
Jackie said it about four times,

1016
00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:11,360
but they are absolutely not.
Paid.

1017
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:14,140
Yeah, he barely even enough to
do the hours they do at work, so

1018
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:16,440
absolutely shouldn't be doing
anything outside of that time.

1019
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:19,660
Planning interventions should
not be expected.

1020
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:21,620
If you do that as a teacher,
just remember your tea is not

1021
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:23,560
being it's been paid about a
third and not as much as you.

1022
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:26,960
And if you see that happening in
your school, please can you call

1023
00:42:26,970 --> 00:42:30,530
it out because it's not OK and
it's our job to do this kind of.

1024
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:33,680
Thing should make a hotline.
Please call our hotline.

1025
00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:36,200
No, but it's not.
It's one thing.

1026
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:38,760
Feeling awkward as a teacher
going up to your SLT and saying

1027
00:42:38,770 --> 00:42:40,480
sorry, but this is not fair on
me.

1028
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:43,230
Yeah, but.
But you know, I feel way more

1029
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,420
able and empowered to go up and
say sorry, this is not fair on

1030
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:49,290
this person who's unbelievably
supportive of me and couldn't do

1031
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:52,390
enough and is literally not
kicking up a fuss but hates it,

1032
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:55,110
is stressed behind closed doors.
They just want to get it down

1033
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,630
and not kick off.
First, people don't talk.

1034
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,540
Did they come on?
I have noticed that.

1035
00:42:58,550 --> 00:43:01,210
Talk up for them in our culture
in general, in maybe it's just

1036
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:02,910
every job, I don't think.
But people don't talk.

1037
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,230
People don't talk about
problems, but people people talk

1038
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,420
sometimes about their problems.
I've had it previously where

1039
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:10,750
someone come up to me and said,
God, this thing talking about 3

1040
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,420
hours the other night.
Yeah.

1041
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:15,160
And it's not really stressed.
Why am I meant to do it?

1042
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:18,640
So I just did it the other night
and and my, my, my response is,

1043
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,970
ohh, that's that's horrible.
Like of course that's don't do

1044
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:25,260
that because now because now
also selfishly I'm expected to

1045
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:26,420
have got this amount of work
done.

1046
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:28,770
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like when I don't it's

1047
00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:30,580
because you spent three hours in
the evening doing it.

1048
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:33,000
So if you feel awkward because
you don't want to rock the boat,

1049
00:43:33,090 --> 00:43:34,940
just think you're rocking the
boat for everyone.

1050
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:38,740
And if you see someone in that
position where, Like if you're a

1051
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:40,870
teacher and you see someone in
the position of a being taken

1052
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,820
advantage of, please just don't
think, well, what have I got to

1053
00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:46,740
do?
Think it's not right?

1054
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,050
Let's do.
Something, and you can do it in

1055
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:50,640
a polite way, like you.
You see, you probably see me go

1056
00:43:50,650 --> 00:43:53,880
through the years where I've
done it in the complete wrong

1057
00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:56,780
way many, many times.
I've got really irate about

1058
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:59,220
something the amount of times
Hayden has written an e-mail

1059
00:43:59,230 --> 00:44:02,980
that he wants to send and he's
learnt now that he shows me the

1060
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:04,420
e-mail.
For I don't send him anymore.

1061
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:07,080
And and like, I read through it
and I'm like, OK, well, we can

1062
00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:09,070
get rid of paragraph 137 and
9:00.

1063
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,240
Because they're all good.
Horrible.

1064
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:12,160
Passive aggressive.
That's just your opinion.

1065
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:13,470
You're just being a bit rude.
Yeah.

1066
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,350
You make some good points here.
Perhaps we could put it this.

1067
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:15,630
Way.
Yeah.

1068
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,920
And actually don't send it all
in a 3 minute chat tomorrow.

1069
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:20,380
Exactly.
And calm down first.

1070
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:22,130
It's such a good point.
Whenever I write an e-mail now,

1071
00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:23,950
it's good advice in general.
If you're like me and you get a

1072
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,300
bit fiery and feisty and maybe
get yourself in trouble

1073
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:28,560
sometimes with the things you
say, which I haven't done in a

1074
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:31,300
while, I don't think.
No, you write the e-mail.

1075
00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:35,140
You got the podcast instead.
Yeah, write the e-mail.

1076
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,030
And no matter how convinced you
are that that e-mail is OK and

1077
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,580
is it good to send, do not send
it for 24 hours.

1078
00:44:41,650 --> 00:44:43,540
I promise you it will.
It's a life.

1079
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,970
Saver for you because you will
read it in 24 hours and you

1080
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:47,430
change your mind.
I guarantee you.

1081
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:51,310
Or or you could send it to us
and we're gonna do a segment all

1082
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,600
about, yeah, let's go and do it
now.

1083
00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:57,310
This you sent us.
It's completely unhinged, right?

1084
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,910
And we'll try to give you
feedback.

1085
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,770
And turn it into a word into So
this is now our inbox is now

1086
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:08,100
officially your inbox that you
would love to send to someone.

1087
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,740
Send it to us and we will talk
about the podcast and we'll be

1088
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:12,720
like, well, maybe you could
just.

1089
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:13,820
Say this instead.
So news.

1090
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:17,020
Edmund emails you wish you could
send Emails you wish you could.

1091
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:18,140
Send emails you wish you could
send.

1092
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:18,830
There you go.
Done it.

1093
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,470
OK, please be our first writer.
Someone listening.

1094
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,720
We've got a few.
And I think what we've got

1095
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:25,720
situations maybe, yeah, emails
you wish you could send.

1096
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:28,400
But we're gonna go now and talk
about some messages we've had in

1097
00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:32,240
not stories this week, but
things to sink our teeth into.

1098
00:45:32,310 --> 00:45:34,010
And I think you've told me
already that I'm gonna get

1099
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:35,980
really annoyed.
Yes, he doesn't know.

1100
00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:41,140
Just before the Jungle, we asked
you to write into us, but of

1101
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:43,720
course we didn't share where.
So Dylan's going to share now.

1102
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:46,580
Our socials you can find us.
But will I get it right the

1103
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:49,050
first time?
I think you will find as an

1104
00:45:49,060 --> 00:45:51,620
Instagram best place to find us.
Instagram easy to message us and

1105
00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:54,700
easy to see our posts at teach,
Sleep, repeat podcast.

1106
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:57,850
It's the same 4 threads as well.
That's the number one place to

1107
00:45:57,860 --> 00:45:59,860
find us if you want a bit more
long form.

1108
00:45:59,930 --> 00:46:02,580
If you want to send us an inbox
of emails, I'd love to send.

1109
00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:04,740
Which oh God, I can't wait for
this because I can't wait for

1110
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:05,700
this.
This is my favourite thing.

1111
00:46:05,710 --> 00:46:07,760
I wish emails I wish I could
send.

1112
00:46:07,770 --> 00:46:11,790
Yeah, you can send that to us at
teachsleeprepeatpod@gmail.com.

1113
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:14,130
Please do guys.
We check it once every two weeks

1114
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:18,130
so we might pick up.
Yeah, that was you.

1115
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:20,570
Thought it was real.
I was still thinking, I'm pretty

1116
00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:23,170
sure you check every day.
One, he's trying to look cool

1117
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:24,680
and he doesn't look at every two
seconds.

1118
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:30,500
Yeah, that was still empty.
Anyway, I want to talk about a

1119
00:46:30,510 --> 00:46:35,220
message we got OK because I
think for us, the best message

1120
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:37,320
is the best things we get are
where people.

1121
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,720
I love that people feel like
they can talk to us about things

1122
00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:42,970
that are really annoying them.
And I love giving advice that's

1123
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:46,040
constructive and helpful.
But what do we love?

1124
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:49,040
More money moaning about the
thing for you.

1125
00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:52,830
So I've done all the nice advice
at the stuff and the fluffy

1126
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,000
bits.
So I've done all that.

1127
00:46:54,010 --> 00:46:56,300
But yeah, that is genuinely.
The advice that we wouldn't

1128
00:46:56,310 --> 00:46:58,610
follow, I do like to do that.
But no, it's true.

1129
00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:01,740
Trying to be helpful, and I love
that part of it, but I also just

1130
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:03,770
love reading it.
Because I want you to read.

1131
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:05,130
I want you not to read it.
I want to hear.

1132
00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:07,050
About this, yeah, he saves these
from me.

1133
00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:08,410
By the way, this is good that it
works this way.

1134
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:11,410
I never checked the thing he
does this go on message.

1135
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,970
Just a little question for the
pod.

1136
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,330
So it was it was good.
I'm putting the podcast nice

1137
00:47:15,340 --> 00:47:18,390
one.
I started teaching a new job and

1138
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,470
I'm really not enjoying it.
During the interview there was a

1139
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,150
heavy emphasis that this would
be that they would trust me

1140
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,090
professionally and with my
experience and I would have a

1141
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:32,060
freedom to support the children
in my class as much as possible.

1142
00:47:32,340 --> 00:47:35,640
I've been given quite a low
academic class and I really want

1143
00:47:35,650 --> 00:47:37,210
to fill the gaps as much as
possible.

1144
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:40,410
Despite the initial talk of the
freedom and the flexibility,

1145
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,130
every time that I've asked to do
something to support my children

1146
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:46,870
in a way I think suits fits well
and is to fill those gaps, I've

1147
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,780
been told that I'm not allowed
to do that.

1148
00:47:49,060 --> 00:47:52,100
For instance, more allocated
time for times table practise or

1149
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:53,630
more time for children to read,
etcetera.

1150
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,920
All those basic things that you
as a teacher can see straight

1151
00:47:55,930 --> 00:47:59,170
away and addressing.
Whenever I've asked or explained

1152
00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:03,120
my reasoning, I kind of get
spoken down to and told that's

1153
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:07,360
not how we do it.
What's your initial thought?

1154
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:10,630
Is that the end Ohh?
I just, I don't know.

1155
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,730
I'm getting like flashbacks.
Well, I'll carry because it does

1156
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:14,630
carry on.
Yeah, we'll.

1157
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,840
Go on.
Yeah, the whole thing.

1158
00:48:15,850 --> 00:48:18,110
I've been looking at other jobs
online, but I'm not really sure

1159
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,230
how much notice that I have to
give for my current job.

1160
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,350
Sad, isn't it?
You know, because it's different

1161
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,870
for teachers, because it's like
termly and stuff like that.

1162
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:27,820
This is the first teaching job
I've ever had when I've been

1163
00:48:27,830 --> 00:48:30,850
coming home in tears, not
feeling like I've been able to

1164
00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:33,170
be an effective teacher and
essentially feeling like I'm

1165
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:36,090
cracking my job because of
someone else's control,

1166
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,250
essentially.
Also, the workload is a lot more

1167
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,370
as there's so many lessons each
day that we need to plan for,

1168
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:45,210
which is just ridiculous, and
each subject actually doesn't

1169
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:48,110
allow you to get into the actual
nitty gritty of what needs to be

1170
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,730
done.
So I'm spending more time

1171
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:52,850
planning, less time being
effective, and I just feel like

1172
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:55,180
it was quite a dishonest process
at the start because it's

1173
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:56,910
already different to what I was
promised.

1174
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,650
The dishonesty is not good.
Before I jump into like just

1175
00:49:00,690 --> 00:49:03,030
being negative about the school
or whatever, I will just say

1176
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,140
from a while I've no idea what
the.

1177
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:05,410
School.
This is, by the way, So no, I

1178
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:07,660
mean, like just whatever this
school is, it sounds quite

1179
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:08,440
negative.
Would be easy.

1180
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:10,110
Just to be like, yeah, this
school sucks.

1181
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,520
I will just say like from a
wider perspective, I do think it

1182
00:49:14,530 --> 00:49:17,860
is a thing that.
Scott like not every teacher

1183
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:20,150
fits every school right.
I I do like I don't want to just

1184
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,660
say that if you if you if you
don't fit into a school that the

1185
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:25,800
school or schools automatically
terrible and you're great.

1186
00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:26,990
Yeah.
Because that's not always the

1187
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,220
case right?
In in general.

1188
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:32,160
Um, for this person, it does
sound like they're just having a

1189
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,080
really negative time, and it
sounds like this person is

1190
00:49:35,090 --> 00:49:36,850
really good at what they're
doing and is thinking of the

1191
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:38,210
right things.
They want to be adaptive in

1192
00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:41,050
their teaching and not being
allowed to and has experienced

1193
00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:42,280
in other schools never felt like
this.

1194
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:43,160
I think that's a big.
Question.

1195
00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:45,240
Yeah, but some people probably
love it.

1196
00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:47,480
It's just a thing.
I bet there are some teachers

1197
00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:50,320
out there that would work in
that school and just be like,

1198
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:51,810
cool.
Just tell me what to do and I'll

1199
00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:53,840
just do what I'm told and I'll
just do that and that they just

1200
00:49:53,850 --> 00:49:56,340
enjoy that control, that they
just enjoy the fact they have to

1201
00:49:56,350 --> 00:49:58,690
worry about these things.
But this teacher clearly,

1202
00:49:58,730 --> 00:50:01,050
clearly wants that autonomy.
Has obviously had it before,

1203
00:50:01,060 --> 00:50:02,330
which I think is really, really
good.

1204
00:50:02,340 --> 00:50:03,960
Yeah.
So I don't think it's a good

1205
00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:06,970
fit, yeah, for the school by the
sounds of what they said.

1206
00:50:08,290 --> 00:50:10,370
I don't know.
It's hard, I don't know.

1207
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:11,410
I don't know what to suggest,
really.

1208
00:50:11,420 --> 00:50:13,040
Yeah.
Well, you know, there's, there's

1209
00:50:13,050 --> 00:50:14,480
a number of things.
Depends how long it's been,

1210
00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:17,820
obviously, to start the school
year chemistry, you know, like I

1211
00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:23,920
said, I feel that there couldn't
be much of A better fit for me

1212
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:25,500
in terms of schools than I
currently got.

1213
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:29,520
I think it's brilliant.
And I still felt awful in time

1214
00:50:29,530 --> 00:50:30,010
one.
Yeah.

1215
00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:31,680
Yeah.
So like, you know, a bit of my

1216
00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:34,300
advice was, you know, just just
stick with it maybe for a bit.

1217
00:50:34,310 --> 00:50:37,260
Can you stick with it?
Can you can you try their method

1218
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:37,740
out?
Maybe.

1219
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:40,860
And then when there's a bit of
progress and something's not

1220
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:42,550
quite working, at least you have
something to fall back on.

1221
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,820
As if to say well I did try and
do this or I did try and do that

1222
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:48,700
and just try and maybe it's hard
to say because to teach your

1223
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:50,640
passionate.
I like I said today I dropped

1224
00:50:50,650 --> 00:50:53,670
everything and I did my maths
from from maybe that's something

1225
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:55,580
she can't feels like she can't
do.

1226
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:58,160
Yeah, she'll get in trouble for
doing what if I felt like that

1227
00:50:58,170 --> 00:50:59,680
but like ohh, but this is
better.

1228
00:50:59,770 --> 00:51:02,380
This is much better though what
I've just done and I know that

1229
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:04,180
because I'm an experienced.
Teacher Well, I learned that

1230
00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:06,540
lesson, as you said a second
ago, the hard way, our current

1231
00:51:06,550 --> 00:51:08,880
school, and I'll never forget it
because our deputy head was

1232
00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:10,200
really good.
He was really nice, actually,

1233
00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:13,480
about it, because I did.
I was just being an arse really.

1234
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,910
And it was something I didn't
agree.

1235
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,580
A couple years ago we bought
something in and I was like, no,

1236
00:51:17,590 --> 00:51:18,730
this is rubbish.
I don't want to do it.

1237
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,970
And I didn't do it.
I just didn't do the thing.

1238
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,070
And then when questioned about
it, you know, a month later, I

1239
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,490
was like, where's this thing I
didn't do?

1240
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,450
It was rubbish.
And his point was simply our

1241
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:31,070
deputy head was like, if you've
just done the thing for a month

1242
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,530
and then show me that it doesn't
work, you've actually had a

1243
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:36,310
later stand on, but instead
you've just been a Dick.

1244
00:51:37,170 --> 00:51:39,820
Basically, you know what I mean?
And I was like, yeah.

1245
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:42,060
True.
Yeah, you're so right.

1246
00:51:42,070 --> 00:51:43,910
I was like, I don't agree with
and I still think it's a

1247
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,420
rubbish.
I still think it's a bad idea.

1248
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:48,050
Yeah, but you're right.
I don't have any proof that is a

1249
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,730
bad idea now because I was being
mean.

1250
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:51,940
I threw my toys out the pram
instead and I didn't do it.

1251
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:55,300
So, yeah, So give it a go.
Give it, give it, give it, give

1252
00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:57,420
it a go.
And like you said, there's

1253
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:59,820
always more teaching jobs.
There's always something else

1254
00:51:59,830 --> 00:52:02,340
that might come up in the future
and go from there.

1255
00:52:02,350 --> 00:52:05,320
But yeah, I think one thing I
wanted to just jump on on that

1256
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:09,470
because know what it's like.
I've I've just had so many

1257
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,310
stories of dishonesty.
Hmm.

1258
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,610
And and this this idea of being
promised something.

1259
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:14,910
But then when the push comes to
shove.

1260
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,110
It doesn't happen.
That is rife.

1261
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Being there, being there in the
past, the distant past, where I

1262
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:23,740
say I never ever.
I always did it.

1263
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:24,960
I've just moments in this
podcast.

1264
00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:27,180
I'm like, I'm not talking about
my school.

1265
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:29,580
Yeah, like I wanna make it
really, really, really great

1266
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:31,580
because we talked really
positively about our school.

1267
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:34,800
I think it's a really good fit
and there's lots going for it.

1268
00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:37,760
It's brilliant, ridiculous.
Whenever.

1269
00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:40,240
Of course I'm on my school.
I'm talking about my old school.

1270
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:46,120
So yeah, I used to.
I used to work in Oscar and and

1271
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:47,840
it just it just wasn't the case
like.

1272
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:50,080
Yeah, but it wasn't the fit.
Yeah, it wasn't a fit.

1273
00:52:50,090 --> 00:52:51,800
No, your old school.
It wasn't a fit for you.

1274
00:52:51,850 --> 00:52:53,760
No, that's it.
No, and your old school wasn't

1275
00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:55,680
for.
You No, it wasn't a fit.

1276
00:52:56,330 --> 00:52:59,600
You know you cannot fit in
schools you got.

1277
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,780
We know they'll bands are coming
out there.

1278
00:53:03,820 --> 00:53:06,390
No, but you know, it's just you
know and and again it's not

1279
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,510
even.
It's just, you know, you can

1280
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,190
only talk from your experiences
and from what I've been told as

1281
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,850
well from other people in
different schools and there's

1282
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:16,910
just this theme, there's just a
running theme that I think in a

1283
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,250
school, a school is really hard
to manage.

1284
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:23,690
It's really hard and it's and it
must be really frustrating.

1285
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,190
I think sometimes when people
listen to us, maybe they're in a

1286
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,470
position of salt and all they
hear is us bashing it because

1287
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,750
it's so easy for us from the
bottom bashing it.

1288
00:53:31,830 --> 00:53:34,480
I like to think that we bashed
the things that are ridiculous.

1289
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:37,340
But you know and it wouldn't
make a good podcast for us to

1290
00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:39,740
sit here and be like ohh, well,
it's actually quite a tricky job

1291
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:41,200
and you've got because we don't
know if you've.

1292
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:42,950
Done.
Everything SLT do is great.

1293
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,520
Yeah.
So everything you do isn't

1294
00:53:44,530 --> 00:53:46,220
great.
Everything you do isn't great.

1295
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:49,000
Everything we do is not great.
I've just given you examples 2

1296
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:50,870
minutes ago of me doing
something absolutely terrible.

1297
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,220
Terrible practise.
Yeah, exactly.

1298
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:53,580
So we are just calling out those
things.

1299
00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:55,430
It's more juicy and it's more
interesting to hear what you're

1300
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,620
listening exactly.
But we can only go from our own

1301
00:53:57,630 --> 00:53:59,260
experiences.
And I just feel like that's

1302
00:53:59,270 --> 00:54:01,140
something that really winds me
up, and I've heard it from

1303
00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:02,630
multiple times, multiple
teachers.

1304
00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:06,200
Timetabling stuff is hard.
But if you literally in a job

1305
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:10,110
interview promise something to
someone and then almost within a

1306
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,090
term, go back on it and say no,
actually, no, sorry, This thing

1307
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,310
come up and it's half the time
the thing you knew what

1308
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,050
happened.
Yeah.

1309
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:18,170
And it's Ohh.
No, sorry.

1310
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:20,790
No, we only put that in the
actual ad just to law people.

1311
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:24,410
Was that the ad says main pay
scale up to UPS three?

1312
00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:30,070
Yeah, it's M2M2 in the title.
Then, for anyone who doesn't

1313
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,870
know what I'm talking about
here, there's a teacher pay

1314
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,960
scale in the seven scales from
the lowest to the highest on the

1315
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:36,530
main pay.
And if you're really experienced

1316
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:37,870
teach, you can go to the upper
pay scale.

1317
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:40,010
Yeah.
So it ranges from like 27,000 up

1318
00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:42,670
to like 43,000.
Right, something something like

1319
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,150
that.
And then adverts will say yeah,

1320
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,650
main pay scale up to UPS as in
like.

1321
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:51,490
Any to 43,000, anyone can,
anyone can apply and they go to

1322
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:52,870
the interview.
The interview around they're

1323
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,130
yeah, it's M2.
So that's 29 grammes.

1324
00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:56,840
Yeah, I thought it said up to
UPS.

1325
00:54:56,850 --> 00:54:59,470
Yeah, yeah, there was potential
for that, but it's M.

1326
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,090
Two, but not for you.
Is M2 between M1 and UPS?

1327
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,810
Yes, but I got it.
Yeah, it's it's M2.

1328
00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:10,850
Then put the salary on the.
Yeah, that's separate.

1329
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:12,180
That's a separate thing.
Separate thing.

1330
00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:15,190
But yeah, don't promise things
you can't deliver because it's

1331
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,930
really easy to do that, to try
and get your stuff in, to try

1332
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:18,190
and get people into the right
thing.

1333
00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:19,630
Don't do it.
It's wrong.

1334
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,230
It's morally corrupt.
And if you have enough of a

1335
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,410
backup of evidence, perhaps
you've worked in a school for a

1336
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:31,390
while and you've seen it
consistently happen, and you've

1337
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,420
seen other people a detriment to
the system of either being

1338
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:38,720
bullied or promised things that
that wasn't given to them.

1339
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:42,380
If you see this as a systematic
thing when it comes to you being

1340
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:43,750
promised something, don't fall
for the.

1341
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,540
Trap.
Yeah, yeah.

1342
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:46,040
Don't do it.
Because everyone else not.

1343
00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:47,840
Yeah, exactly.
And say no, don't believe.

1344
00:55:47,850 --> 00:55:49,500
You.
I will finish with one last

1345
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:51,900
piece of advice, I think, which
is something that I just wish

1346
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:54,320
people would do more often and
we kind of already touched on

1347
00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:55,810
it, but just go and talk to
them.

1348
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:59,820
My advice to that person is
genuinely don't be like me,

1349
00:55:59,830 --> 00:56:02,430
don't go and all fiery.
Write down what you want to say

1350
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,730
and go in and go in a day or two
later.

1351
00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:07,700
When you calm down and make your
points to them and find out what

1352
00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:09,420
kind of people they are, because
you know what, you could be

1353
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:10,850
surprised.
They might have this kind of

1354
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:12,950
management system where they
just, they say all these things

1355
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,360
because they just want to make
their life easy.

1356
00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:16,400
But actually when you go and
talk to them like a human being,

1357
00:56:16,410 --> 00:56:18,900
they might open up to you a bit
more and be like, OK, I hear

1358
00:56:18,910 --> 00:56:21,390
you, I hear you.
I understand that must be quite

1359
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,380
frustrating for you.
Let's give it a go, then let's

1360
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:25,190
give it a go.
Go and do the things you want to

1361
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,120
do and come back in a couple of
months and we'll check it.

1362
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:29,290
They might say that, they might
not.

1363
00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:31,400
They might confirm everything
you already think.

1364
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:33,910
And then it's like now at least
you 100%, no, this is not the

1365
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,200
score and now you can go hard on
that.

1366
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,530
Yeah, yeah I'm gonna hold on
now.

1367
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:38,000
I don't really care.
I'm not gonna work here.

1368
00:56:38,010 --> 00:56:40,250
I'm gonna work somewhere else.
But you need to give yourself

1369
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:42,330
that chance I think to to give
them a chance.

1370
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:44,570
They are just people at the end
of the day like we said it's

1371
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:47,590
easy to jump in and say ohh SLT
this, but they are just human

1372
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,670
beings trying to do their job.
They might be the start of their

1373
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,750
career and maybe they'll look
back one day and be like I

1374
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,830
remember this time I did this
with a teacher and we lost that

1375
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,860
teacher and I learnt from that
and I'm a better, better manager

1376
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:59,990
now, you know, there's just take
it all into account.

1377
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,170
But in the moment, you know it
is still affecting lives right

1378
00:57:02,180 --> 00:57:04,020
here, right now.
So try and get it fixed.

1379
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:05,530
Yeah, absolutely.
Definitely talk to someone.

1380
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,180
You told me you were also gonna
make me angry.

1381
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:09,540
Yeah, so I've let me turn into a
bit of an agony aunt.

1382
00:57:09,610 --> 00:57:11,650
Ohh, I like that.
Yeah.

1383
00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:14,560
So another section, Yeah, What's
the What's the word for uncle?

1384
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:19,270
And under his uncle, I believe.
Agony uncle, what's the what's

1385
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,820
that word for auntie but when
you alliteration.

1386
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:24,300
Jeez, Agony aunt?
Agony.

1387
00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:25,460
Agony.
Underwear.

1388
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,620
Underwear, underwear, underwear.
Doesn't make sense.

1389
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:32,130
No, welcome.
Under pressure.

1390
00:57:32,140 --> 00:57:33,610
Uncles.
No.

1391
00:57:33,620 --> 00:57:35,150
Yeah, I'm alright.
I'm alright.

1392
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,320
I'm alright, fine.
Yeah.

1393
00:57:36,370 --> 00:57:37,360
Anyway, we'll come up.
Don't.

1394
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:39,460
Anyway, so yeah, I found a
couple of other things just

1395
00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:41,460
online like I always do, because
there's a million things online

1396
00:57:41,470 --> 00:57:43,180
and you live online, anonymous
posts.

1397
00:57:43,290 --> 00:57:45,160
So I'm actually gonna look at my
screen now and I'm going to

1398
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:47,020
share these with you.
You look at your screen and not

1399
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:48,980
yourself once.
Yeah, well, I've been really

1400
00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:52,490
trying not to, by the way, I've
been looking around like ohh,

1401
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:54,160
looking at you on this going.
Ohh.

1402
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:58,250
Right, first one.
Someone put this all anonymous,

1403
00:57:58,260 --> 00:57:59,600
so I'm just gonna read it.
What is it?

1404
00:57:59,650 --> 00:58:00,720
Well, first, how many have you
got?

1405
00:58:00,730 --> 00:58:01,910
What have we doing?
This three.

1406
00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:03,850
OK, there's three things.
I'm gonna read them to you.

1407
00:58:03,860 --> 00:58:06,430
I'm just gonna get quick fire.
OK, reaction to it.

1408
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,910
Don't waffle on.
Alright, purchase reaction.

1409
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,260
First one, please.
Someone help me get my facts

1410
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:13,850
straight on something.
Should I be making arrangements

1411
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:18,260
for my contracted days off?
I am contracted and paid for 2.5

1412
00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:21,100
days, but I'm expected to plan
and arrange the other days when

1413
00:58:21,110 --> 00:58:22,830
I'm not in school teaching my
class.

1414
00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:25,760
I'm sure the answer is that I
should not, but I want to be

1415
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:27,750
clear before I say anything.
Go.

1416
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,530
Yeah, you want sit Except do
sorry, do you plan for

1417
00:58:31,540 --> 00:58:33,430
Saturdays?
Your full time staff, do you

1418
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,810
plan for Saturday and Sunday
full time?

1419
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:38,130
No, don't do.
What do you mean?

1420
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:41,270
Well, yeah, I'm not 26 contract
but I'm one for planning.

1421
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,990
Yeah.
No, no, you paid for it.

1422
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,350
No, no.
But it could be.

1423
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:47,510
That's the one thing to remind
I'd say to that person.

1424
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:50,470
Yeah, check your contract.
You're not signed.

1425
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:55,350
They said yeah, they're paid for
2.5 days, contracted and paid

1426
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,530
for 2.5 years.
So you don't think again, you

1427
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:58,320
don't read it.
Properly.

1428
00:58:58,330 --> 00:59:00,600
So I ask you for that.
He said that she said that she

1429
00:59:00,610 --> 00:59:03,490
could have been full time.
For all we know that's true.

1430
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:04,780
She couldn't.
Do half days?

1431
00:59:04,790 --> 00:59:05,870
No.
Yeah, it sounds like she's not

1432
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,360
been paid for it.
Yeah, clarify it.

1433
00:59:07,410 --> 00:59:10,600
And because I think as people
who work part time, when I

1434
00:59:10,610 --> 00:59:13,480
signed my contract, there were
some clauses really clearly laid

1435
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:15,300
out really clearly that I've got
no problem.

1436
00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:17,710
I've never had an issue at all
being part time and thinking

1437
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,350
about being taken advantage of
because certain things like for

1438
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,630
example it was very clearly
stated that and I agree to this

1439
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,210
contract and I I did my three
days a week that on the two

1440
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:30,660
parents evening in in the year.
If it falls on a day that I'm

1441
00:59:30,670 --> 00:59:32,370
not in, I'm to come in and do.
Them.

1442
00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:33,650
Yeah, but that's all laid out
and clear.

1443
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:34,970
Really clear.
And I signed it and I'm like,

1444
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:35,990
cool.
That's absolutely fine.

1445
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,510
It's literally written there.
I signed it absolutely fine.

1446
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,990
No, no dramas.
Nice.

1447
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,280
This is the next one.
OK, this one.

1448
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:43,390
This is the one I think that's
gonna make you look like.

1449
00:59:44,420 --> 00:59:48,020
What did I get?
If you're not watching, make

1450
00:59:48,030 --> 00:59:49,470
sure you watch the video of the
podcast.

1451
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,420
Spotify.
Spotify On Spotify you can give

1452
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:55,090
us five star review because my
4.9 still and I wanna be 5.

1453
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:58,100
Yeah, bring that average back
on, right.

1454
00:59:58,150 --> 01:00:02,640
Ready SLT have just given me
some new information an hour

1455
01:00:02,650 --> 01:00:05,190
ago.
The very important context.

1456
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,360
This was on a Sunday.
This post came out on a Sunday.

1457
01:00:07,690 --> 01:00:09,750
OK.
Sleep.

1458
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,310
Just give me some new
information here an hour ago.

1459
01:00:13,460 --> 01:00:17,710
Sorry if I play an e-mail which
which has meant I've had to redo

1460
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,670
everything and they expect it
done before tomorrow, as in

1461
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,330
before Monday morning in
brackets.

1462
01:00:22,340 --> 01:00:25,260
I'm a phase leader.
I don't, I really don't want to

1463
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:27,390
go in tomorrow now as I'm so
stressed and I haven't even

1464
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,710
started replanning it all yet.
This was a Sunday, It was an

1465
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:32,680
e-mail.
It was like midday.

1466
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,500
So I'm gonna start off with
emails, right?

1467
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:38,210
Yeah, I actually have no problem
at all.

1468
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:40,470
Whenever anyone sends an e-mail,
yeah, don't bother me.

1469
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,270
Like there there are some
schools that like, do you know

1470
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,150
what?
We're gonna put an e-mail ban.

1471
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:45,470
We're gonna put an e-mail ban
on.

1472
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,940
You cannot e-mail after a
certain time or at the weekend.

1473
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:51,710
Annoying because I if I think of
something, I'll forget it.

1474
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,190
Yeah, I wanna be able to e-mail
it straight away.

1475
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,130
What there should be a ban on,
hmm is ever being expected to

1476
01:00:57,140 --> 01:00:59,470
access those emails.
So who cares when emails are

1477
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,890
sent?
But I will never.

1478
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:03,420
If I send an e-mail on Saturday
mornings, I think of something.

1479
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:06,610
I would never ever expect a
anyone to read it before 8:00 AM

1480
01:01:06,620 --> 01:01:10,420
on Monday or B anything to be
actioned within a reasonable

1481
01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:12,240
time after when I expect them to
read it.

1482
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:15,870
So if I'm asking them for
example, can you just let me

1483
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,550
know who's in this group?
I would hope that on the Monday

1484
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,550
I'd get that at some point.
Because it's just simply some

1485
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,640
information, right?
If it was.

1486
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:25,700
Oh, I want us to relook at that
planning again for that English

1487
01:01:25,710 --> 01:01:27,640
unit here.
Could you mind having a look at

1488
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:30,240
XYZ lesson?
I would then think, cool, we're

1489
01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:32,670
not gonna open till Monday and
then I need to give them a week

1490
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,220
to do that because that's only
fair.

1491
01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:36,580
Yeah, that's a big job.
Yeah, it's a big job.

1492
01:01:36,590 --> 01:01:39,360
And I also can't direct your
time during the week because

1493
01:01:39,370 --> 01:01:41,680
that's mad you've already got a
full time job to do.

1494
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:44,600
I'm not just gonna say to you by
the way, I need this.

1495
01:01:45,340 --> 01:01:48,480
Completely, completely toxic.
And we, we have used that word

1496
01:01:48,490 --> 01:01:50,790
toxic, yeah.
But this is completely toxic.

1497
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:54,710
And I hate it when those middle
leaders, phase leaders, year

1498
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,010
group leaders are completely
taken advantage of because they

1499
01:01:58,020 --> 01:02:00,290
feel like I've got to climb the
ladder and put that grind in.

1500
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,390
It's not that kind of job.
Go and put the grind in when you

1501
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,130
can actually climb the ladder
quickly and move up to 506070

1502
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:08,190
grand and working hard in that
kind of environment.

1503
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,330
This isn't that job.
A lot of the advice to that

1504
01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:12,450
person, because it was an
anonymous post and people were

1505
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:16,920
applying, was same with what you
said and it was just ignore the

1506
01:02:16,930 --> 01:02:20,270
e-mail, yeah, and pretend you
haven't read it and when on

1507
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,850
Monday morning they ask you.
See what they've done it, you

1508
01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:25,130
say ohh, let me check my emails.
What are you talking about?

1509
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:27,110
And then you read it in front of
them to make the point because

1510
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,270
do you know what?
Don't be afraid of doing that.

1511
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,150
Anyone, because they have
absolutely no leg to stand on

1512
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,010
and they know it.
They're just chancing their arm

1513
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:37,900
that you'll read it or fill them
or feel like awkward enough to

1514
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:40,670
not challenge them.
No one, you and no one is going

1515
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,390
to lose their job or being any
precarious position by just not

1516
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,110
reading it and doing on Monday
morning reading it.

1517
01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:49,460
The thing is though, what some
people will was like, like we'll

1518
01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:52,790
we'll be put on things like
capabilities, OK, Like, that's

1519
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,720
what I mean, really.
But this is what I mean by

1520
01:02:54,730 --> 01:02:57,040
saying you're absolutely right,
but then you get to see where

1521
01:02:57,050 --> 01:02:58,900
you are.
But I think we forget sometimes

1522
01:02:58,970 --> 01:03:01,600
this is people's livelihoods and
today I'm kicking up this kind

1523
01:03:01,610 --> 01:03:05,710
of fuss is gonna add huge stress
to their life that they choose.

1524
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,410
This is what happens.
They choose the other stress is

1525
01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:10,490
better than the huge stress of
calling out an entire industry.

1526
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:12,340
Yeah, and maybe having to go
down unions because they're

1527
01:03:12,350 --> 01:03:13,980
making your life hell because
you're not playing.

1528
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:16,460
Ball So the the people who ask
this know that it's.

1529
01:03:16,530 --> 01:03:17,850
More stressful to kick up a
fuss.

1530
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,310
They they often do it to people
who are more easily kind of

1531
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,490
moulded, and that's why they're
in that position.

1532
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:29,260
New advice, Be more spiteful
than them being arrogant as I

1533
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:31,920
am, because if anyone did that
to me, I'd make their life more

1534
01:03:31,930 --> 01:03:33,590
of a hell than mine, So that's
great.

1535
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:35,700
And I think you guys stand up
for.

1536
01:03:35,710 --> 01:03:36,930
Yourself.
If you got the attitude of like,

1537
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:38,450
that's acceptable, right?
Yeah.

1538
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,600
Fair play to you.
Do not bring other people into

1539
01:03:41,610 --> 01:03:43,170
that with you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1540
01:03:43,180 --> 01:03:43,740
Ridiculous.
I know.

1541
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:45,130
That would get you a get you
going.

1542
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,230
Last one.
This is a longer one.

1543
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,550
So I'm gonna try to, I'm gonna
try to summarise it as I go, but

1544
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:50,900
I don't do a very good job.
Maybe.

1545
01:03:50,910 --> 01:03:53,910
When you summarise, you just all
you do is miss two sentences,

1546
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,230
all right.
That's not something I know

1547
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,470
because I just.
Missed the story, I'm going to

1548
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,510
summarise.
Hey guys, I just wanted to ask

1549
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,350
you, what do you think?
OK, I'm gonna read it as a

1550
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,490
subject leader.
I've been.

1551
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:06,590
Asked.
This is long and it's related as

1552
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,160
well.
As a subject leader, I've been

1553
01:04:08,170 --> 01:04:10,460
asked to complete an enormous
amount of tasks which is

1554
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:12,660
stressing me out, especially as
we're due Ofsted.

1555
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:16,000
I've requested for some time out
of class and they have refused

1556
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:18,160
this.
I work part time, have young

1557
01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:22,910
kids and and with a class
responsibility I'm already using

1558
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,010
my personal time to manage my
own class as well as a lot of

1559
01:04:26,020 --> 01:04:27,530
the subject leader stuff.
Sure.

1560
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:30,680
So essentially they're just to
summarise, don't do that.

1561
01:04:31,980 --> 01:04:35,090
This person teaches a class.
Yeah, they're already spending

1562
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:37,150
way above and beyond their
directed time on just

1563
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,750
delivering, being a good class
teacher.

1564
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,370
Yeah.
Not only that, there are subject

1565
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:43,810
leader and they've got loads of
stuff to do, which I assume

1566
01:04:43,820 --> 01:04:45,820
without TLR.
Yeah, they've just been told

1567
01:04:45,830 --> 01:04:48,510
they need to do and that can
only happen in their own spare

1568
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,430
time.
And they're being told that that

1569
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:51,780
is the case.
Do you know what's happening

1570
01:04:51,790 --> 01:04:53,360
there?
When they say no to time out to

1571
01:04:53,370 --> 01:04:56,530
do something, you're directing
your home time, You're directing

1572
01:04:56,540 --> 01:05:00,610
your home life with a young
children, get in the bin, start

1573
01:05:00,620 --> 01:05:04,030
saying no, saying I've got a bin
here, but I tell you, I tell you

1574
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,060
what they're doing because the
rest of this post, the whole

1575
01:05:06,070 --> 01:05:08,260
thing is basically just saying
what should I do, right?

1576
01:05:08,310 --> 01:05:11,290
And it does actually basically
back up what you were saying a

1577
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:13,710
second ago about people are just
scared about their weighing up

1578
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,270
the stresses.
Yeah, they're basically saying

1579
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,650
for the rest of this whole thing
is, should I just do what they

1580
01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:22,530
say because they will reign hell
on me if I don't and make my

1581
01:05:22,540 --> 01:05:25,600
life more stressful?
Or should I try and challenge it

1582
01:05:26,420 --> 01:05:27,550
with the other way around?
Yeah.

1583
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,510
Should I try and challenge it
but take on the stress of them?

1584
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,630
Yeah, the challenge.
So that's basically the rest of

1585
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,440
the post and.
As you say the same thing as two

1586
01:05:34,450 --> 01:05:36,400
options.
I I did the first one, I gave

1587
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:38,450
both the options in it and then
I realised the second one was

1588
01:05:38,460 --> 01:05:42,620
like it's just saying it the.
Way I do this or this or but

1589
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:47,090
it's made-up option.
I think the moral of this story

1590
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:51,190
is guys that still talking about
strikes again.

1591
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,180
Yes he is.
Ohh.

1592
01:05:52,190 --> 01:05:54,980
Last year we went on strike
because of workload.

1593
01:05:55,030 --> 01:05:58,140
Nothing changed.
Say no.

1594
01:05:58,210 --> 01:06:01,220
We have to say no.
We have to do it.

1595
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:08,070
Nazuk Nazuk never had to say I
like Nan and NASUWT.

1596
01:06:09,070 --> 01:06:11,740
They've they've voted to do
action short of strike action.

1597
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:13,990
And I was like typical, don't do
the real thing, but they're

1598
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,340
gonna do action short of strike
action.

1599
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:17,340
A little bit late, but thanks
for coming to the party anyway.

1600
01:06:17,350 --> 01:06:18,660
What they mean, I don't really.
Get that?

1601
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:20,820
So basically it means working to
your director time, doing

1602
01:06:20,830 --> 01:06:23,440
nothing extra, literally nothing
extra.

1603
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:27,170
So going in at half eight,
leaving literally like all the

1604
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:30,260
stereotypical teacher stuff,
saying no to anything like, you

1605
01:06:30,270 --> 01:06:33,280
know, basically this.
Saying no to this.

1606
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:35,650
You're going to deliver your job
and whatever it doesn't get done

1607
01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:38,290
outside this contracted hours.
That's my strike action and I

1608
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:40,430
think that's going to be very
effective.

1609
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,480
And I do you know what I think?
I think no one will do it.

1610
01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:43,190
That's what I.
Think this.

1611
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,050
That's the problem.
That's the problem.

1612
01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:48,350
People would rather have eight
random days off in a year and

1613
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,600
achieved nothing apart from
losing hundreds of pounds.

1614
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,150
Than actually put up the fight
day-to-day to say no.

1615
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,440
What's more powerful, right?
Having the odd day where your

1616
01:06:59,450 --> 01:07:02,210
score just cover you anyway and
it's like OK, cool, a bit of

1617
01:07:02,220 --> 01:07:05,540
disruption but nothing really
changed and all we're doing is

1618
01:07:05,550 --> 01:07:08,210
disrupting working parents who
already need the money and have

1619
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:11,020
had COVID and have already had
that stress and we we hate the

1620
01:07:11,030 --> 01:07:12,390
fact we had to do that to the
parents.

1621
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,620
Yeah.
What's going to be more

1622
01:07:13,630 --> 01:07:17,380
effective doing that and and and
impacting the public more or

1623
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:19,200
your kids still come to school.
Nothing's affected.

1624
01:07:19,210 --> 01:07:21,450
But you know what?
I'm not doing anything extra.

1625
01:07:21,850 --> 01:07:24,100
And and as soon as stuff doesn't
get done then we know why.

1626
01:07:24,110 --> 01:07:26,410
And you have to fix it.
Yeah, the kids still get care.

1627
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:28,450
The stick come into and they
teach, they learn maths and

1628
01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:29,780
English.
It's fantastic.

1629
01:07:29,890 --> 01:07:32,440
We're still giving it our all
for the children, which is the

1630
01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:34,320
number one reason why we love
this job.

1631
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:37,320
It's time we just stepped up.
We really need to step up as a

1632
01:07:37,330 --> 01:07:40,810
profession and say no.
And if we all do it, then what?

1633
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:43,380
They can't fire everyone.
The hardest bit about that, and

1634
01:07:43,390 --> 01:07:46,640
I do agree with it in principle.
The hardest bit, which is

1635
01:07:46,990 --> 01:07:51,560
ironically the problem, is that
the absolute basics of this job,

1636
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,110
like the absolute basics, right
that you have to do for it to

1637
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,910
even function as a job already
take too long.

1638
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,690
Yeah.
So I think if I was to stick to

1639
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:04,210
those like just directed time
hours or whatever the hours are,

1640
01:08:04,220 --> 01:08:05,570
I don't think I'd be able to
plan.

1641
01:08:05,580 --> 01:08:08,310
And Mark, Yeah, genuinely, I'll
get a plan.

1642
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,870
Lessons.
I When?

1643
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,150
When am I gonna do that?
There's no time for it in direct

1644
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,330
to time to do it so the kids
wouldn't get like so My point

1645
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:17,910
here is it would impact the kids
so bad planning.

1646
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,680
Planning lessons.
OK, so worst case, OK then do

1647
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:22,430
what?
Do what I've talked about, which

1648
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:27,010
is extend your day getting at 7,
leave at 5:00.

1649
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,649
That's still more than directed
time, but don't do anything

1650
01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:32,670
extra in that time.
Prioritise planning so you've

1651
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,029
got lessons, so always
prioritise planning.

1652
01:08:35,140 --> 01:08:37,050
You get your planning done.
Whatever.

1653
01:08:37,060 --> 01:08:38,100
Marking.
Can get done.

1654
01:08:38,109 --> 01:08:39,979
Gets done.
If it can't, that can drop off.

1655
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:41,260
Yeah.
We talked about last week's no

1656
01:08:41,270 --> 01:08:43,310
point in marking and deliver
really good lessons.

1657
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,340
Yeah that's the way forward for
me.

1658
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:47,279
Sorry.
What I got got got this meeting.

1659
01:08:47,290 --> 01:08:48,859
No ohh.
I can do it.

1660
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:51,450
But just know that I won't mark
any of these books, yeah.

1661
01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:54,410
Everything has a payoff.
So if you're gonna want me to

1662
01:08:54,420 --> 01:08:57,399
come to a random meeting, that
because some schools have seven

1663
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:59,720
meetings a week and they're all
after school for an hour.

1664
01:08:59,790 --> 01:09:02,080
If you want me to do that, then
that hour is taken out of my

1665
01:09:02,090 --> 01:09:04,240
marking time.
It's not magically adding on.

1666
01:09:04,290 --> 01:09:05,550
Yeah, because that's what
happens.

1667
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,580
So can I just have an hour?
Not really.

1668
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,450
Not really.
Can I have now ohh I'm finishing

1669
01:09:10,460 --> 01:09:11,660
my shift at Asda on the
checkout.

1670
01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:14,550
Can I just have an hour ohh over
time?

1671
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:15,470
No, no.
Just one.

1672
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:16,470
One an hour.
Yeah.

1673
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,029
It's like, yeah, replace some of
the shifts.

1674
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:19,250
Yeah.
No, no, you can't.

1675
01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:21,590
Yeah.
Anyway, they're turning to a

1676
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,840
nice one.
Thanks for winding me up.

1677
01:09:22,850 --> 01:09:25,819
That's right, I was really.
Winding you up, but yeah, that's

1678
01:09:25,830 --> 01:09:28,109
awesome.
Aren't Yeah, pretty good.

1679
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:30,330
They are amazing.
We love Utas.

1680
01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:32,529
I hope you enjoy the episode and
we'll see you next week.

1681
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:33,310
Bye guys.