Ep 27: The Toxicity of Teacher TikTok

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode,

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Ohh Teach.
Sleep repeat.

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My name is Dylan.
My name is Hayden and it's us.

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It's just us.
I know you're used to seeing the

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alternating blue and purple, but
you've got a purple light

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instead, so we don't have anyone
to be heading, no.

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Simple as that.
So we need some people.

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I must say though, some people
were really split on the whole,

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you know, guess thing.
People love having the guests

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on, but there's a certain group
that we have who prefer Robert

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episodes on.
Our We just love us.

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They just love us.
I know, right?

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It's a pretty two or three
people, probably our parents,

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but it's just as we will get
more guests back.

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I think probably for the rest of
some holiday it will just be us

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because people are chilling out,
they're they're having a

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relaxing time.
So we will start afresh in the

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new year.
But Hayden, how have you been in

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power?
We are well and truly in that

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mid summer holiday range, aren't
we?

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And I do compartmentalise that
summer break and the whole

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episode.
Last time was about it, but I

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feel like I'm in the zone now
where I am just switched off.

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I'm relaxing.
It's all good.

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Time has started to fly.
It's always this bit of the

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summer.
It goes very quick.

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It feels like we had literally
just recorded our last episode.

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I don't even know how it's been
a week, but here we are.

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And in that week I think it's
because you don't do a whole

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lot.
Do you?

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Like realistically when you're
at work every day, tonnes of

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things happen.
And then in a week a lot of

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stuff happened.
But it's realistically, I've had

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a couple of days of doing
nothing, just relaxing.

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We went away for the weekend to
battle near Hastings.

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Stayed in an alley as you've
been, did you?

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You say I stayed in the Abbey in
the did you have full access to

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all the grounds, right?
Just for context, Dylan's been

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winding me up all week as I
repeated myself about three

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times and now he won't stop
making me repeat myself.

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Where did you go for the
weekend?

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We we went to battle and we
stayed in an Abbey and it was

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really nice and historical and
we learned some stuff for a few

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minutes to keep saying that you
went to battle.

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Yeah, because you keep saying,
what's a battle?

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But do you mean Hastings?
So you've just got your words

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completely.
Wrong.

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No, We went to the We went to
the town called Battle.

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Ohh wait, what?
No way.

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They've they've named the town
Battle.

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Yeah.
Did you not know this?

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The whole time I've been telling
you this and I thought you were

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just trolling me.
I thought you were just saying

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ohh yeah, they named everything
after they.

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They've not named the town back.
Yeah, no, the the place is

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called Battle.
It's near Hastings.

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That's that.
They are really milking now,

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aren't they?
Ohh OK look, so the place, is it

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just outside the village of 1066
or something like that?

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Right.
I'm going to give you a very

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quick lowdown.
OK.

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OK, so this town didn't exist
until after the Battle of 1066.

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Well, it'd be very weird if it
was there.

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Beforehand, they obviously.
We can only battle the battle or

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the town.
Can you imagine?

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Can you imagine?
Well, I was convenient that we

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named this town this cause
there's a bunch of people

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fighting over there.
Ohh jeez wow.

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Imagine that you're just you
want to know the story behind

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the town called Sandwich.
It's.

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Crazy man, right?
So William the Conqueror, he won

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the battle.
Built a massive Abbey there

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afterwards.
Ohh he's going to town called

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Battle at the time it was called
but nothing.

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And yeah, then they just built
the town around it.

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And the town's called Battle.
I thought the town was.

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I thought the place called
Hastings was a whole point.

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No, no, we're we're near
Hastings, the Battle of

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Hastings.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

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Of course.
So I I don't know if it's in

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Hastings.
I think it's just near Hastings.

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I could be completely wrong, but
it's certainly it should be

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called the battle of battle, I
think so.

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The battle of battle.
Yeah, it's probably in Hastings.

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I should really do my research
before I say stuff.

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But the cool thing was we stayed
in the Abbey, You stayed in the

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Abbey and did you have access to
the grounds whilst?

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It was.
We had full access to the

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grounds and the Abbey that we
stayed in in battle.

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Where was it?
Where was it?

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Battle.
Yeah.

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In Hastings, Yeah.
Yeah.

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Brilliant.
I mean, what?

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What?
What?

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Why am I listening to two NPCS
do a podcast?

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What's going on?
The whole point was Hayden just

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repeat himself twice and as soon
as he does something wrong,

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obviously can't forget it.
So no.

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And we had a nice time in
battle.

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Good.
Yeah, and we've stayed in the

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Abbey.
And I'm joking, I'm joking, It

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was really good.
But highlight if that was when

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you posted a video of me
aerating my lawn.

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So if you listened to last
week's episode, you'll know how

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riveting my weeks are.
And I talked about the special

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shoes that I bought to punch
holes in my lawn.

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I got caught.
I was filmed whilst doing it.

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Obviously looking quite silly
and the most viral video we've

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ever had so that's good.
It's actually quite demoralising

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when you if you if you go onto
our Instagram and look at our

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reels, there's somewhere like
very clearly we've got in and

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edited it and cut it and it's
zooming in, zooming out, it's

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got a little you know logo at
the end of the reel.

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It's all trying to be like if it
gets it gets 1000 views people

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will see our podcast come and
listen to.

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It shows something this picture
of Hayden looking like an idiot

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doing as well.
Yeah, alright, 20K views or

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whatever.
It is unbelievable.

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Yeah.
So thanks everyone for tuning

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into that.
That's nice.

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Me look like looking like a
buffoon.

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I think the moral of that story
is don't bother with social

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media, just just upload things
and one of them will will hit.

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So maybe we'll just do that from
now on.

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Hmm.
Maybe it's because it was me.

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Could be, could be because you
did look, you know, like some

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kind of think of a word that's
that, you know, able for me to

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air on this podcast.
But let let's just let the

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people watching them shine.
We had a nice comment, didn't

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we?
That was on a different room, by

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the way.
We had, we OK, let's, let's go

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into this very quickly, Yeah.
This week, this week, we had our

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first little bit of what I would
say was just actually quite,

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quite a very trollish, not very
nice comment on one of our posts

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which.
Someone talking about carry on,

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You might notice Hayden moved
his his headphones down a bit

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because the comment was about
how big this is.

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The actual comment.
Sorry.

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It was Wow, check out the five
head on you.

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No joke.
No, no laughing.

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Just very, very mean.
Just pointing out the fact that

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hey, you know, you addressed
this Aiden.

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It does look like you've got a
very, very big forehead.

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Yeah, I mean 5 headers.
Nothing.

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Look at this.
Whoo.

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It just goes on and on.
And we've made this joke before.

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It never.
It never stops.

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I don't care, you know?
Bring the hate.

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Whatever.
Whatever.

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OK, I don't care.
But Dylan must be my protector.

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He's he's mostly horrible to me,
but he's been my protector.

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He deleted the comment before I
saw it, obviously told me about

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it afterwards, but he did delete
the comment.

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I was really thinking about it.
I was.

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I delete it for him.
I'll delete him because this is,

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it's not even funny.
If it was funny, I'd keep it,

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but it's alright.
But it would just be a mean.

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But that it was like, it was
like obviously two days later

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and I was sat with him and I was
like, I've got to tell him, I've

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gotta tell him because I knew
you'd find it funny, really.

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Yeah, I don't get offended.
That easy.

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Not really.
And maybe you have your

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headphones.
Yeah, well, I don't think it's

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the headphones, it's the
problem.

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Yeah, I've got some headphones
on, so.

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I think it's the head moment
what it could be.

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Anyway, enough about me and my
week.

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What about you?
Yeah, I mean, not much to be

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honest.
Like I said, do you know that

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the first couple of weeks of the
summer holidays where you're

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winding down a bit, you're
you're forgetting about work as

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much as possible?
I will say that I've not thought

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about work in the last week at
all.

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And it's just been one of those
weeks where it doesn't matter if

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you just have the morning off,
you know, I mean, just lounging

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around doing whatever you do and
seeing friends going out for

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food, all that good stuff where
you just relax fully in that

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mode of relaxing.
And I will say I'm scared.

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And other teachers think, feel
this way.

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I'm always scared to look at my
bank account because I've got

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one of those bank accounts that
sorts things into categories for

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you.
So if I really wanted to make

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myself wince, I could go into my
bank account right now and click

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food and drink.
And I think I would be a little

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bit worried about how much I've
spent because it does just turn

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into this like black hole of
just, you know, go out for lunch

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one time, lunch is.
Like oh oh wait no sorry, that's

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just my millionaire money
winning.

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I've got my food and drink
account.

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Ohh no don't stop it.
You made me do that episode and

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now look where we are.
Just use it against me every

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possible of Chile.
Everybody go back, go back, go

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back and check out our episode
on Dylan, William winning some

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money on Who Wants to be a
Millionaire.

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It's actually really exciting
Episode and I like to wind him

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up about it because he gets
awkward about money.

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Yeah, brilliant.
Really good.

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Very good.
Anyway, I can still appreciate

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how I know inflation and stuff.
Lunch has just like doubled you

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out for lunch.
Lunch isn't like a a 7-8 pound

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thing anymore.
You can't have lunch for two for

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like £15, £20.
It's like £35 now, minimum.

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Should I ask if I quit drinks
like £7.00 for a pint?

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So what?
What, what planet are we living

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on?
Well, it's £7.00 for a pint now,

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but it's where we're at, Hayden.
And you know what?

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Some holidays, we're not going
away.

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There's some holidays.
So we just treat it like that

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money.
Yeah.

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And I'll tell you what though,
there is still one place.

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There is a gold mine.
There is a gold mine.

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If any listeners are in sort of
the Thanet area where we are

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just one place.
Yeah, Thanet and Kent, we like

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to go to battle in Kent.
We like to go to one place for

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lunch.
Don't think John thinking.

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I think because it's because
it's cheap.

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Ohh.
Crampton but very good cramptons

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cramptons, pub and Broadstairs
Ohh my days hanging I.

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Actually would love for them to
sponsor this at some point.

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So you know, maybe we'll click
this, click this, send it to the

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Crampton's lunch is 10 out of 10
and what do we love Hayden about

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when we go to Crampton's lunch?
What is our favourite thing now

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because we've done it so often?
What do you mean?

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What?
The fact that they know us or

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what, Not only that they know
us, they know we're gonna order.

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We don't even need to say our
order anymore.

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They just never got it.
And to the to the point now

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where we walk in and the lovely
waitress will bring over our

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sources.
That's exactly what we want and

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just put it on the table.
Yeah, Not sure whether we should

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be proud of that or.
No, it's just nice.

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It's good stuff.
It was always nice.

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It's nice touch, isn't it, when
when people in a business that

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you go to regularly do, do just
make the effort to know you.

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However, no very good lunch
versus really, isn't it?

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Hairdresser is the only other
place I can think.

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Really.
That's.

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That, of course, that's a whole
culture you don't even go into.

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My address is me actually
standing over a bath.

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No, I walked past my hairdresser
literally today.

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I went out for lunch.
You know today what past my

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hairdress is today and you just
shout out, right, Dylan?

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I was just like, yeah, you're
right, pal.

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And you know when you go in, you
just don't say anything.

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Like, what we doing for you
today is like the most pointless

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question it's ever asking the
barbers.

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Just the usual.
And he's like, yeah, cool, and

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then just does it.
No problem.

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Have you ever?
In your lifetime not have the

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same haircut that you get now?
Yes.

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So when I was younger, maybe I
can dig out a photo for the

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Instagram.
Do you know at the minute, like

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I get like a really short back
and sides doughnut and then the

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top just kind of just goes over.
When I was younger I had, I

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wouldn't say a mullet, but I
would have the back of my head

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as long as the top of my head
and where where I this, this is

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more like over now.
But I used to like Spike.

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It used to be all different
spikes everywhere.

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And I used to do that all the
way down, back back in my head

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as well.
I've got a big head.

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I don't know what I was thinking
wasn't the best hair haircut for

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me to, you know, make my head
look a bit small.

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I was like, how can I make my
head look as big as possible?

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And I'm hoping, Hayden, you've
asked me for a very specific

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reason because I can imagine the
Instagram roulette right now of

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your hairstyles through the
years, because it was absolutely

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incredible.
I mean, that wasn't the reason,

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but yeah, my hair, my hair
changed a lot over the years,

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obviously to the to the point of
nothingness.

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Now is it because you knew what
was gonna happen and you thought

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God made most of this?
No, However, I did.

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You know, Facebook shares
memories.

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That shows you memories from the
past.

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I don't know if you saw, but I
shared it other day, 12 years

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ago.
I said I swear I'm going bald or

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something like that with dot,
dot, dot and I was trying to

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think 12 years ago.
I definitely did.

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You know, I started shaving my
head.

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Maybe, I don't know, eight
years.

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Boom.
Yeah, about are you doing years

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ago?
You were three years into

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Teacher, right?
No, it's my first after my first

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year of teaching.
Wow.

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Yeah, my only did one year of
teaching with hair.

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Hmm.
So that was like 5 years before

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that.
That I was like, hmm, my hair is

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like thinning.
It was a bit strange, OK, You

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had you had a couple of years
before you saved it, when we all

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do.
Pal, So no, I know.

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So I would.
I would have been.

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Yeah, like 18191819.
When I wrote that, imagine being

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1819 and be like, I think I'm
going bold you just obviously at

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the time I was like, of course
I'm not.

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I'm 18.
There's no way I'm getting

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bored.
Ohh, it turns out I was.

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Already anyway.
Bold, bold.

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Ready.
Is that good?

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That's the worst.
That's OK.

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Bad joke, I think.
Need to move on because what

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we've done there is managed to
talk about absolutely nothing

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for 15 minutes, so well done for
getting this far.

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Looking forward to this, what we
want to talk about today, so

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should we go straight into it?
Let's do it.

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OK, so this chat, we're gonna
have him.

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It's born of something that's
been brewing for quite a while

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and you've all seen the title.
It's about toxic TikTok.

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And I think if you say TikTok to
an educator, we're laughing for

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just it sounds funny.
Toxic tip top, you know, gotta

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click bait in there somewhere.
But if you're an educator and

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someone says TikTok to you, I
think straight away it will

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throw up you being on one side
or the other.

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I think it's very divisive at
the minute.

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Right away I'll throw up.
Yeah, you're literally throw up.

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But the the point I want to make
before we start is I don't think

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this is a new thing.
I think this is something that's

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in the spotlight right now.
But I had the same thought when

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I joined Twitter about eight or
nine years ago as an educator.

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And I went off it straight away
because I got this idea of what

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the ideal teacher looks like.
And it was almost like that

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Instagram versus reality thing
of all the best bits.

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Go online and you feel kind of
inferior and we'll dive into

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that.
So I want to just say, firstly,

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I don't think this is a new
thing, but recently there's been

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a rise of these tick tocks
online and it's breeding a bit

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of a toxic culture among staff
and what they think is expected

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of them and what makes in their
eyes a good teacher because

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they're seeing online, it's
getting thousands of likes,

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thousands of views, millions of
views.

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And just in general, Hayden,
what's your initial thought on

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TikTok and the kind of impact it
might be having?

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And you know, what do we see on
TikTok?

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What we're talking about here?
I think I want to pull it back a

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little bit for one second
because when you were talking it

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made me realise that there is a
little bit of a difference in

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the way we use Toxic with this.
I think because when we talk

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about toxic schools, we're quite
often talking about people.

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Who are actively, literally
being horrible and being toxic

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and being manipulative and
nasty.

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Whereas I feel like this is a
bit more of that other kind of

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toxicity where it's almost like,
you know, like toxic masculinity

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where it's kind of like
everyone's accidentally

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contributing almost like
passively because of the culture

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contributing to what makes it so
bad.

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And I think that's probably, I
don't know if you agree, that's

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probably more like what this is,
right?

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People making, maybe even making
tick tocks because they think

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it's good and they just want to
share this great thing they've

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done, but kind of accidentally
contributing.

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To the toxicity of like
expectation that then comes on

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teachers, right?
Yeah.

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I think the word maybe we're
looking for is toxic positivity

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sometimes, isn't it?
That idea of, you know, no one

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in this situation is sat on
TikTok saying you must do this

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because if you don't, you're
awful.

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And these expectations are
really high.

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I think what we see instead, a
big problem that we see instead

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is, you know, especially
inexperienced teachers.

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And we'll come on to this in a
second.

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There's a bit of a post on a
read to you about Tik Toks, but

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I think where the younger
generation especially, I think

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we're kind of just out of that
generation now in our 30s.

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I think if you were to go and
speak to ECT, where do they

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spend most of their time?
Probably on TikTok.

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And as soon as TikTok hits the
algorithm and it knows you're a

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teacher because you've watched
an education post at all the way

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through, it's going to hit you
with them one after the other.

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And I can imagine a situation
where an ECT has sat there,

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TikTok after TikTok after TikTok
of someone spending five days

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doing 1 display in their
classroom, someone else spending

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£50 on some resources to make a
point, someone else recording

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themselves doing something in
the classroom and then thinking

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that this is an acceptable
standard or something that needs

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to happen in order to be a good
teacher.

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And it it's I think a lot of
experience stuff, especially on

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Twitter or X as it's called, do
have this idea of apprehension.

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And I'm definitely on that side
of apprehension around social

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media and TikTok.
And especially, I don't know

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about you.
Yeah, I I use TikTok probably

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more than you because I get, you
know, everyone takes the Mick

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out of me.
Sit there scrolling on TikTok,

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it's terrible.
It's really addictive.

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And I haven't come across loads
of teacher stuff, but I think

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it's because I'm just not really
looking for it.

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I'm on TikTok just to like watch
silly memes and stuff, but when

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I have come across them there
has been a slight feeling of.

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What's the word like?
I'm not good enough, you know.

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Not, not like jealousy.
I'm not even envious of

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inferiority.
Right.

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Yeah, I guess so.
That's what it is.

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And and it will be.
It's often male teachers.

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It really knows that the
algorithms so good, isn't it

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getting you?
Because obviously there's going

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to be loads of videos of both
genders, but quite often is a

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male teacher that comes up on my
feed and he'll be like, this was

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really silly, but he'll be like
really young, good looking and

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like have this amazing rapport
with his kids.

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And like, you'll never filmed
the kids, but he'll be in class

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and you might just do some
really funny or like show how

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amazing isn't getting them.
Age or how much they love

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listening to him.
Something like that.

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And I'm always a bit like huh
that's good.

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I I feel like I'm I'm becoming
less like that as I get older

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and ohh, no you sort of start
worrying a little bit about

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yourself but I haven't engaged
with it.

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Tonnes I'll be honest with you.
I know other people have got way

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like further down the rabbit
hole of edge buttocks as you

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could call them.
It's probably a name, probably

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made something.
I think what you made there is a

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really good point that I had not
considered about how more

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experienced staff might still
fall into that app.

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Because from my point of view
I'm just maybe because I don't

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use it and I've not had those
feelings right?

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But from what I've heard from
people is I'm really worried

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about inexperienced staff seeing
certain level as the gold

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standard and that they can't be
a good teacher if they're not

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doing certain things.
Which has nothing to do with

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being a good teacher like
displays or you know, the way

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you act with the children, which
is obviously important.

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But there's lots of ways to be a
good teacher, and the ways I see

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being promoted are heavily
induced in workload and and

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heavily induced and even
spending money in your classroom

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and things.
The idea that as we grow older

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and maybe we struggle a bit more
to have the automatic report of

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the children, just as that
generational gap increases, I

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can see actually the younger
teachers on that platform

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definitely having an effect.
Actually, I've not really

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thought about that.
I I've really worried about it

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over the last sort of year that
that exact thing.

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I don't know if it's silly or
not, but and it is exactly that.

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It's just this idea that as I
get older, I feel like there's

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more of a risk of me not
connecting with them as much

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because I'm just because I'm
just one year further from their

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age and I'm not.
I've got to be careful.

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I'm not trying to say that the
older you get, the less report

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you can have with your kids.
That's not true.

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But I do.
I do fear that it is just easier

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when you're younger.
If you are closer to their age,

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it's easier.
To get that report, maybe you

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don't have to put as much work,
you know, You know, it's just

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comes a bit more naturally
because your your age difference

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rather than seeing you.
Like ohh you're my parents age

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now or maybe even my
grandparents age.

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Whereas when I started teaching
I definitely was not.

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Yeah, I definitely wasn't any
older brother age, weren't you?

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Yeah, exactly.
Realistically, there's, you

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know, there was like a 10 year
gap between me and me and most

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of those kids.
So yeah, it's it's a real

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concern.
I thought I've been a bit silly

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this year, but maybe other
people share that feeling as

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well.
I don't know Now I've not

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really, I've not really
considered it before, it's

452
00:19:27,870 --> 00:19:30,540
really interesting.
So basically I wanted to start

453
00:19:30,550 --> 00:19:32,780
off then because there's loads
we can cover here because it is

454
00:19:32,790 --> 00:19:36,520
such a broad spectrum and I
think we can talk about TikTok

455
00:19:36,530 --> 00:19:40,400
in general.
And let's start off with the

456
00:19:40,410 --> 00:19:42,780
effect it has on teachers
watching Tik Toks.

457
00:19:42,790 --> 00:19:44,880
OK, so we'll come on to other
things later on that teachers

458
00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:47,180
using TikTok.
But for now there was this post

459
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:51,420
I saw on Reddit and it was from
an ECT and I think this sums up

460
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:55,820
exactly what we're saying in
this idea of a very keen ECT

461
00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:58,590
really wants to do the right
thing and has maybe been

462
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,190
influenced in a certain way from
TikTok.

463
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,850
So this is what she said the
title was should I keep going?

464
00:20:02,860 --> 00:20:05,160
Should I go into school to set
up my class during summer?

465
00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:07,190
A question we talked about last
week, how it's different for

466
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,490
different people and here's what
she said.

467
00:20:09,540 --> 00:20:12,560
I keep seeing tik toks all over
my For You page about endless

468
00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:15,610
teachers spending days of their
holiday setting up their

469
00:20:15,620 --> 00:20:17,450
classroom.
I've just finished uni and this

470
00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:20,180
is my first ever class so I'm a
bit clueless and that's the bit

471
00:20:20,190 --> 00:20:23,110
that I think is important.
This idea of I remember being an

472
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:26,140
ECT and you want as much help as
possible from others so you see

473
00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:27,990
what's going on.
And you kind of copy it and do

474
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,490
it yourself.
Exactly what I did, which is in

475
00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:34,540
a different scope here of
TikTok, so nobody has pressured

476
00:20:34,550 --> 00:20:36,030
her.
No one's even mentioned that I

477
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,600
should go into school in terms
of SLT, so there's no pressure

478
00:20:38,610 --> 00:20:41,420
from there.
But the and the two ECT gave me

479
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:44,360
conflicting advice at my school.
One said they never went in

480
00:20:44,370 --> 00:20:46,840
during their first ECT year and
it was fine, and the other one

481
00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:49,530
said they went in and preferred
it as the classroom was exactly

482
00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:52,640
how they wanted, even if they
put in the extra information at

483
00:20:52,650 --> 00:20:54,780
that point.
That's like traditional isn't

484
00:20:54,790 --> 00:20:56,420
it?
Like you would get conflicting

485
00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:58,660
advice sometimes and you kind of
need to decide for yourself.

486
00:20:58,670 --> 00:21:01,680
But this is what's her problem,
is seeing the tick tocks as well

487
00:21:01,690 --> 00:21:04,230
of everyone else seeming to do
it, and getting good feedback

488
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,870
for it.
I'm not sure whether this is a

489
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,950
bad thing to admit, but I'm not
really picky about how my

490
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,080
classroom looks.
As long as I end up having

491
00:21:10,090 --> 00:21:11,950
everything I need by the
school's regulations.

492
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,150
I'm not one of those people that
wants to spend a whole year

493
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,150
making the classroom a Pinterest
dream.

494
00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:18,490
Will I be looked down upon for
not going in?

495
00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:21,160
It's been a long year of
training and for me, I wanted

496
00:21:21,170 --> 00:21:24,000
the break.
So that that really, really

497
00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:27,030
struck home for me because a
really genuine post, a really

498
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,380
genuine person, really wanted to
do the right thing, has a good

499
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:33,520
outlook in my opinion, which is
what will be, will be.

500
00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:35,220
It's fine.
I've got other things to focus

501
00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:37,460
on.
But because of this kind of

502
00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:40,740
TikTok culture, her head's been
turned and she's worried she's

503
00:21:40,750 --> 00:21:42,620
not doing enough.
And I can, you know, I just want

504
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:45,650
to kind of reach out to this
person and say, oh, I know what

505
00:21:45,660 --> 00:21:46,930
you think.
What's that?

506
00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:49,330
Confirmation bias, isn't it?
It's like no one's making a

507
00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:52,640
TikTok being like, wow, look how
boring my classroom.

508
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:54,440
Is I haven't changed it this
year at all.

509
00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:57,290
No one is doing that.
The only people making Tik toks

510
00:21:57,300 --> 00:22:00,490
are on the extreme end of I'm
making this TikTok cause I think

511
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:02,610
this is so good it's it's
actually worth me sharing and

512
00:22:02,620 --> 00:22:04,530
getting like comments from
strangers on it because I think

513
00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:07,570
it's really good.
So dangerous, dangerous

514
00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:11,030
territory.
Basing anything off of social

515
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,640
media in general, particularly
TikTok right now.

516
00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:19,090
I mean, it's good that she had
the other or recent ECT say no,

517
00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:21,480
I didn't do anything.
At least there was someone if

518
00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:24,470
they imagine if they both said
yeah, yeah, yeah, of course we

519
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,230
go in the classrooms, gotta
look, he's got to do all these

520
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,260
things.
He's got to look like this.

521
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:29,710
It's got, it's got you've got to
have this tree in the corner.

522
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,630
You have to because every
reading corner has a tree.

523
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:33,330
You have to do this.
You have to do that.

524
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,250
Where are your fairy lights,
man?

525
00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:38,550
Geez.
Yeah, exactly what You've got

526
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,250
pillows on the floor that you
bought from your own pocket.

527
00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:44,440
What was really interesting for
me though, and it kind of

528
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:47,300
highlights an issue that I just
really don't want to happen, is

529
00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:50,560
she's in a school where there is
no SLT, unreasonable pressure.

530
00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:54,100
There is no someone at the top
down saying you know you need to

531
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:56,160
do this but in your own time.
And that's that's that.

532
00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:58,710
She doesn't even have that.
But she still is easily going to

533
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,370
fall into that trap of spending
hours and hours and hours doing

534
00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:04,160
extra stuff because of a
different kind of toxic route.

535
00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:05,770
If, if you like.
Let's just Yeah, it's just the

536
00:23:05,780 --> 00:23:08,260
culture, isn't it?
Funny enough, I I screenshot at

537
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:11,860
a a comment from a Facebook
thread somewhere and I'm just

538
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:13,780
going to read it to you.
It's really, really relevant.

539
00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:15,940
It's same sort of thing and it's
about this.

540
00:23:16,110 --> 00:23:17,620
Chat so this I don't even know
who it was.

541
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:20,500
I just, I literally screenshot
of the comment and it says the

542
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:23,360
six week holiday is so important
I do not think I could cope

543
00:23:23,370 --> 00:23:25,500
without it.
However, I have done so little

544
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:27,990
as my brain and body just had to
recover from the brutal rigours

545
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,480
of teaching.
Is this a waste or just a

546
00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:33,170
necessity?
And it was that last sentence

547
00:23:33,180 --> 00:23:36,850
that made me think, oh man,
isn't this culture terrible that

548
00:23:36,860 --> 00:23:42,200
this person is asking if it's a
waste of time that she's used

549
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:46,280
her holiday as a holiday?
Like, you know, just think Oh my

550
00:23:46,282 --> 00:23:49,320
God isn't that terrible.
This person's worrying that they

551
00:23:49,330 --> 00:23:52,200
that ohh no I've ohh guys, I've
accidentally used my holiday as

552
00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:54,700
holiday.
Ohh man, I've wasted all that

553
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:56,250
work time that I could have done
for free.

554
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:59,020
Yeah.
I think that's kind of the same

555
00:23:59,030 --> 00:24:01,420
sort of thing that we're talking
about in terms of, I think it's

556
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:04,070
exactly the same, and that's
always gonna be there, isn't it?

557
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,100
The kind of almost introspective
thing you put in yourself of

558
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:09,020
God, I'm am I good enough,
teacher?

559
00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:12,400
The point, I think, is the wider
point here is what TikTok is

560
00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:15,810
doing is exacerbating that and
almost introducing it to people

561
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:17,380
who might not have had it
otherwise.

562
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:19,580
Because there's always going to
be some people who think they're

563
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:22,050
not doing enough and they can
take advice, they can help

564
00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:23,700
themselves with that.
You know, we can try and help

565
00:24:23,710 --> 00:24:26,450
those people, but it feels like
we're going to catch more people

566
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:29,120
like this, especially
inexperienced into don't have

567
00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:31,020
the confidence to turn around
and say like me and you

568
00:24:31,030 --> 00:24:33,560
potentially to say no, no, no.
If I don't do anything this

569
00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:36,370
summer, my kids first week back
are still gonna have excellent

570
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:37,790
maths lessons, excellent English
lessons.

571
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,630
I've done it before.
I know what they need to know.

572
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,510
I know it's fantastic in the
first week we're confident

573
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,010
enough to say that and we know
that having one or two displays

574
00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:48,510
maybe not completely up to date
isn't going to impact the

575
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,990
child's learning too much.
Whereas this person might think,

576
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:53,330
gosh, everything needs to be
picture perfect, else the

577
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:56,710
children won't learn And it kind
of I really want to get your

578
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,520
input here.
It moves on to my next point on

579
00:24:59,570 --> 00:25:04,200
especially inexperienced staff
of I find with tick tocks there

580
00:25:04,210 --> 00:25:09,200
is a focus on what's good in
terms of the algorithm, good in

581
00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:13,740
terms of looks nice, good in
terms of aesthetic, but not

582
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:17,080
always what's good in terms of
best teaching practise, because

583
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:21,200
I think good teaching practise
most of the time looks really

584
00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:24,230
boring.
Ohh, that's a tough one, isn't

585
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,580
it?
Oh man, I didn't know that.

586
00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:30,690
No, it's the start of that one.
I think, I don't know if I agree

587
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,390
exactly with what you said it.
I think sometimes there's a

588
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,430
stigma that when teaching looked
boring, it's not good.

589
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,130
That's definitely not true.
I I have seen teachers who other

590
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,330
people might judge and say, oh,
they're not doing all of the

591
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:46,310
flair and they get incredible
outcomes and they have great

592
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,340
relationships, relationships
with their kids and you're like,

593
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:50,650
ohh yeah, but they clearly did a
very good job there.

594
00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:53,950
So this preconception you have
about all of the all of the

595
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,950
flairy stuff maybe isn't tied as
closely as we think to what

596
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,420
makes someone a good teacher.
But I do think you can also do

597
00:26:00,430 --> 00:26:02,800
the fairy stuff and be a really
good teacher as well.

598
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:05,100
Um, what do you think about
fairy stuff?

599
00:26:06,490 --> 00:26:09,210
Like, I don't know the
performance element that goes

600
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:10,580
into it.
Maybe like doing all of the

601
00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:15,160
classroom environment stuff to
the extremities like the TikTok

602
00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:18,140
level, Instagram level, like the
way your classroom looks.

603
00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:22,050
I've seen people with really not
like classrooms that do not look

604
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:25,590
like that who's still who's
still get amazing outcomes with

605
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,550
their children.
They just the classroom just

606
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,790
isn't really at all for them.
It's not they don't really use

607
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,200
it.
They're not really interested in

608
00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:33,020
doing that.
It's maybe information.

609
00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:35,950
Information around the room
doesn't look all jazzed up with

610
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,610
like.
People backed borders and all

611
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:41,170
this rubbish, but they still get
great things out of their

612
00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:43,250
children.
No, that's exactly what I mean.

613
00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:45,990
I'm saying not good teaching,
just looks, it can look more.

614
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,290
I'm not saying if it's a fancy
background, it's bad teaching,

615
00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:54,110
but I mean I don't.
What I'm saying is good practise

616
00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:57,560
doesn't have to look fun or good
or aesthetic.

617
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,190
I think good practise is
completely detached from how

618
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,510
fancy your room looks and how
fancy maybe it comes across.

619
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,610
In terms of for example I've
I've been in observations for

620
00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:10,090
I've I've observed different
maths lessons and stuff across

621
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:16,230
the years and we often see maybe
staff saying you know, ohh I

622
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,670
don't mind if they talk, I don't
mind if they chat as long as

623
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,410
they get the work done.
So as long as they get the work

624
00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:24,180
done I don't mind if they chat.
I used to say that all the time.

625
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,000
My ideas have moved a little bit
on this because I actually think

626
00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:34,610
it's sometimes you can get the
work done, have a nice chatty,

627
00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:36,810
fun classroom maybe where
they're talking about their

628
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:38,920
weekend.
But that child then could have

629
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:41,450
moved on to the challenge and
been pushed on had they been

630
00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:44,110
working hard.
And I think good practise

631
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:48,110
sometimes looks like it can look
like a silent classroom where

632
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,790
children are just working hard
and it it doesn't have to be

633
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,430
frowned upon to have this idea
of, oh, what did we do today?

634
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,740
Well, we did some guided
practise on the board.

635
00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:00,010
They had to go in pairs and then
they worked silently for 30

636
00:28:00,020 --> 00:28:03,330
minutes doing this piece of work
and they got loads out of it.

637
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,090
And I think what we might see
because of the TikTok age is

638
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,880
that if you're not putting
everything to a song and there's

639
00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:12,590
not a dance for the children to
35 minutes And as a pneumonic it

640
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,930
it's it's not a good lesson.
And I think they are completely

641
00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:18,010
separate.
You can have fantastic lessons

642
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:20,720
that have songs and numonics and
dances and you can have

643
00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:23,850
fantastic lessons which is just
guided practise children working

644
00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:25,350
hard, doing some work.
I don't.

645
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,750
I I just, I'm very wary of
TikTok, the TikTok ification of

646
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,260
teaching, you know, making
people think that good teaching

647
00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:37,340
has to look a certain way, which
includes huge extension of

648
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:40,020
effort, huge amounts of
resources going into it.

649
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:41,410
But it just doesn't have to look
that.

650
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,750
Way well schools often bring in
policies as well.

651
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,380
Don't know that do those sorts
of things where it's like, ah

652
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:49,270
good teaching only looks like
this and we've laid it out in

653
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,120
this policy.
So every lesson now needs to

654
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:54,260
have a certain level of
involvement.

655
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:56,500
You remember we talked about
involvement stickers Once Upon a

656
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:59,050
time, didn't we, like loads of
places do those sorts of things

657
00:28:59,060 --> 00:29:01,240
where they should.
We very quickly just clarify

658
00:29:01,250 --> 00:29:03,340
what involvement was because I
thought it was hilarious.

659
00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:07,360
It was us asking the children to
say how involved they thought

660
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:10,400
they were out of five at the end
of every lesson, as if a child

661
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:14,560
ever goes, ah, two, no, no,
always 501.

662
00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:16,360
No one ever was actually
thinking, oh, how?

663
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:19,140
Involved, yeah, But within
these, yeah, exactly.

664
00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:21,350
Within these policies there are
lots of things like good

665
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,520
learning looks like this.
You have to be active and

666
00:29:23,530 --> 00:29:26,730
engaged in this particular way
or otherwise it's bad learning

667
00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:28,580
and and you're right in terms
of.

668
00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:31,560
That was just not true.
It just wasn't true there.

669
00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:34,960
There were people, people doing,
conducting their lessons in

670
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:37,180
different ways that would have
under that policy being deemed

671
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:40,660
as you know, unsatisfactory.
Not that's not a good lesson

672
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:43,650
when realistically it's like no,
they they, the children got so

673
00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:45,840
much out of that lesson and they
were just working hard quietly

674
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:48,300
for for 30 minutes because
that's what was required at that

675
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:50,780
task and they needed to be deep
thinking.

676
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:53,140
So I think that's that's a
dangerous thing.

677
00:29:53,150 --> 00:29:55,620
Policies can sometimes do that
in the same way that TikTok is

678
00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:58,300
doing it as well.
Yeah, no, I completely agree

679
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:59,720
with that.
It can come from SLT.

680
00:29:59,810 --> 00:30:03,130
And the problem with the TikTok
kind of generation is it's now

681
00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:04,990
going to come from an external
source as well.

682
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:08,330
And it's, I don't want to put
these people down because I've

683
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:11,390
seen some fantastic teachers put
so much effort into something.

684
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,290
And there's a there's a kind of
an alternative issue here where

685
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:17,450
people like us come along and
say what are you doing?

686
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:19,850
Put all that effort and all this
TikTok, you're making us look

687
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:21,070
bad.
Like we don't want to do all

688
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,150
this, Like we don't want to put
you down because some of the

689
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,030
stuff you're doing is fantastic.
I just would never want an

690
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,910
experienced teacher to look at
something like that and think

691
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,400
that's the only way to teach
well.

692
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:33,810
In fact, good practise is not
always linked to aesthetics is

693
00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:36,760
what is the point I'm making.
Yeah, and I think that's a

694
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:39,450
really important clarification
to give to people.

695
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:40,750
It's not just about the
aesthetics.

696
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,730
There's a lot, you know, there's
more you can do.

697
00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:47,410
I have been really toying it in
my mind over the last few

698
00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:50,640
months, maybe maybe just the
summer actually, because my

699
00:30:50,650 --> 00:30:52,710
practise has changed over the
years in the way, you know, your

700
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,010
practise has changed as well.
Some of that is impacted by us

701
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,580
just being much more experienced
and coming to different

702
00:30:57,590 --> 00:31:00,470
conclusions from our experience.
And some of that is linked to

703
00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:03,670
policy changes or the curriculum
evolving and changing, whatever.

704
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,430
But I do feel like and this
might not be.

705
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:10,140
Not on a nationwide basis, but I
do feel like the curriculum is

706
00:31:10,570 --> 00:31:11,950
particularly like the afternoon
curriculum.

707
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,380
It's becoming more knowledge
based in terms of it's just the

708
00:31:16,390 --> 00:31:19,860
most important thing is you get
the knowledge out there and the

709
00:31:19,870 --> 00:31:22,940
kids remember that knowledge.
Like it's become really, really

710
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:24,870
important in recent years,
right?

711
00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:29,480
And I and I personally feel like
that that has come with to the

712
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:32,720
detriment of some of the things
that might be seen as more

713
00:31:32,730 --> 00:31:35,900
aesthetic, but like the
enjoyment of learning to an

714
00:31:35,910 --> 00:31:38,530
extent.
And I'm really struggling

715
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:41,510
teaching at the moment the last
couple of years because I feel

716
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,010
like I've shifted from maybe
being a bit more like that kind

717
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:47,270
of aesthetically pleasing
teacher who would do lots of the

718
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,750
fun which she what she thinks to
a bit more like no, let's just

719
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,170
let's just crack on.
You know, you said actually if

720
00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:54,970
we are quiet now we could do a
bit more work.

721
00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:58,480
You could you could have got to
the challenge And I am just not

722
00:31:58,490 --> 00:32:01,050
convinced that that is the best
thing to do.

723
00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:03,190
I don't.
I don't.

724
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,180
It depends what what is the
purpose of of like primary

725
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:06,980
school.
Do you know what I mean?

726
00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:08,450
Like, yeah, we teach the
foundations.

727
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:11,780
But for me, I think in my core,
and it's always been this is I

728
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:16,500
just want kids to leave primary
school enjoying the idea of

729
00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:19,100
learning.
I don't really care.

730
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:22,000
I I actually don't care if they
memorised the stuff about the

731
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:25,240
battle of 1066.
You know, I don't really care if

732
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:28,960
they got into the challenge and
wrote a little diary entry in

733
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:31,880
the style of William the
Conqueror.

734
00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:33,580
Right?
I'm I'm not too bothered.

735
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:36,230
It's nice.
But if that comes at the

736
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,380
detriment if if it remotely
makes makes them just ohh find

737
00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:42,960
school a bit boring.
It's just a bit of a drag you

738
00:32:42,970 --> 00:32:46,330
know we just worked and I just
don't necessarily think that's a

739
00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:48,100
good thing.
I don't know why I'm trying to

740
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:49,630
go with this.
No.

741
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,830
OK, what you're saying.
But I do think that in that case

742
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080
if you think if you're not
bothered by your child getting

743
00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:56,990
onto a challenge in a lesson,
it's probably a bad challenge.

744
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,910
Like, you know, do a different
challenge that you think is good

745
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,600
for the children to do would be
my answer to that.

746
00:33:01,610 --> 00:33:04,350
It's like, you know, think of or
plan to challenge which you

747
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,410
think would be interesting or
engaging for them to or that

748
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:10,320
they want to do.
And I think I agree what you

749
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:13,580
mean about there is a huge thing
on retrieval and you know,

750
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,030
testing, testing children to see
if they remember what they

751
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,340
learned six months ago, which is
obviously not a bad thing to

752
00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:22,580
test them on because otherwise
why are we teaching them it?

753
00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:24,960
And I get what you're saying is,
well, let's just go back to the

754
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:27,730
start and kind of change what
we're teaching in the 1st place.

755
00:33:27,890 --> 00:33:30,560
But there is a skills curriculum
in the afternoon that we have to

756
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:32,360
work through that.
There is, there is that skills

757
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:36,720
curriculum there already about
think of thinking historically,

758
00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:38,420
for example, or thinking
geographically.

759
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:41,800
There are those core skills that
go through every single topic,

760
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:45,200
which I think are very important
and I would argue more important

761
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:47,220
in the long term.
For example, in history, to

762
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:50,330
understand how sources work or
to understand the timeline of

763
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:53,620
events in the macro level or in
geography, to understand, you

764
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:56,290
know, maps or the interactions
of human and physical geography

765
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,150
and stuff that go through, yeah,
everything.

766
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,190
Rather than remembering the
capital of Uganda or remembering

767
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,330
what year Tutankhamun's, you
know, tomb was found.

768
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:07,570
I I'm not sure that's the most
important thing to get a primary

769
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:08,929
school.
I completely agree with you.

770
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,260
But I think again, we're kind of
going off the TikTok idea now.

771
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:16,480
But I see a lot of tik toks and
maybe this is borne out of this

772
00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:18,940
knowledge based thing that we're
obsessed with children

773
00:34:18,949 --> 00:34:22,360
remembering things.
A lot of people, you know,

774
00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:24,139
changing the lyrics to Taylor
Swift song.

775
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:27,110
I saw one the other day where
someone had changed every single

776
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,900
lyric to a Taylor Swift song to
remember the the water cycle

777
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:33,739
going through precipitation,
condensation, you know, all

778
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:36,719
that, all that good stuff
collection and it was like a

779
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:41,000
fantastic song, but it was like
2 minutes long.

780
00:34:41,170 --> 00:34:44,130
And sure, those kids might
remember that now and in the

781
00:34:44,139 --> 00:34:48,580
long term understand it, but it
it just made me think, OK, how

782
00:34:48,590 --> 00:34:49,860
much learning is going on
though?

783
00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:52,480
We're just memorising the song
and I think everything needs to

784
00:34:52,489 --> 00:34:55,600
be tied in together in a really
good lesson.

785
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:58,860
I don't think it's any good just
remembering facts.

786
00:34:58,990 --> 00:35:02,380
If if you're if you're teaching
an afternoon lesson and you're

787
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:04,730
just obsessed with telling the
children facts and then writing

788
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:06,900
the facts down, and then telling
their partner the facts and then

789
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:09,120
asking them the facts at the end
of the lesson, then asking them

790
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:12,090
those facts next week, then
asking those stacks in term 6,

791
00:35:12,270 --> 00:35:15,340
I'm not sure that's as useful as
a really wholesome lesson with

792
00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:18,400
some entertaining tasks where
they're still learning stuff.

793
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:20,100
I think that's the important
thing for me.

794
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:24,660
Are the children learning things
that are useful in this lesson?

795
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:27,760
If you're valuing something
that's aesthetic, or something

796
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:30,860
you think is fun, or something
you think is good above them

797
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:34,020
learning something, then I think
that's a bad thing.

798
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:36,920
See, this is This is why.
This is why I'm torn.

799
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,040
Because I'm not convinced that
that that song.

800
00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:43,350
Analogy you gave, for example,
and I know what you I think you

801
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,360
kind of started saying something
else afterwards, which is that

802
00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:47,130
you need to find the middle
ground of where it's still quite

803
00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:49,140
fun and they're learning well
and it can't just be.

804
00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:51,520
Does that song teach you what
condensation is, is what would

805
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:53,570
be my point?
I mean it, but it might do, you

806
00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:56,390
know, there's children that do
learn it because they think it's

807
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,170
really cool that there's a song.
I don't know.

808
00:35:59,180 --> 00:36:01,310
It's like if it was the same
approach everything.

809
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,750
I'm saying if they're just
learning this song, then that's

810
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,800
not good teaching, but it might
look good on TikTok.

811
00:36:06,740 --> 00:36:08,380
Right, OK.
But if it's the songs, in a

812
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:10,080
couple of minutes long, they
would have done more in that

813
00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:10,570
lesson.
Yeah.

814
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:11,990
But like it was every single
lesson.

815
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,290
Like, you know, if they had to
learn this song and understand

816
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:17,290
every single lyric it would have
for it to be good teaching, you

817
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,830
would have to break it off and,
you know, look into

818
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,270
precipitation and do an
experiment on the on the, you

819
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,570
know, we do experiments all the
time on our window sill where we

820
00:36:24,580 --> 00:36:26,690
see conversation happening or
evaporation happening.

821
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,480
They're actually seeing the
process rather than mimicking a

822
00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:32,300
song.
And because what's the point in

823
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:33,070
that?
That's the same as what?

824
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,410
You're saying are you saying the
song, the idea of the song is

825
00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:37,930
bad?
You're saying the idea of the

826
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:40,430
song being the only thing they
do in that lesson bad is I'm

827
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,230
saying, I'm saying that I think
I don't think neonics are bad.

828
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,870
And I don't think that learning
songs based to help you remember

829
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,170
stuff is a bad idea because it's
been proven that that obviously

830
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:52,260
helps.
We do times table songs, and we

831
00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:54,650
encourage that.
If children were only doing

832
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:57,770
times table songs every day for
their times table learning,

833
00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:00,750
there'd be a problem.
And I wouldn't say times table

834
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,650
songs is the best way to learn
times tables.

835
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:06,120
I say times tables, songs serve
a purpose of trying to embed

836
00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:08,660
something into your memory,
which is what you're saying is

837
00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:10,040
pointless in our afternoon
lessons.

838
00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:12,770
And I agree.
So it's just learning a song for

839
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:14,850
the sake of knowing facts and
being able to spout them.

840
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:16,610
But I wanna see them doing
experiments.

841
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:18,310
I wanna see them doing
scientific inquiries.

842
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,930
I wanna see them understanding
what the words mean by doing

843
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:22,970
experiments.
Learning in the classroom,

844
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:25,890
talking to their partner, doing
group work, watching the teacher

845
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:28,170
explain something properly.
But what goes on?

846
00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:29,760
TikTok is just a Taylor Swift
song.

847
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:31,430
Yeah.
OK.

848
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,810
I get what you mean now.
Yeah, Sorry.

849
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:36,420
OK, So, OK, I'm gonna summarise
what I think then, because I get

850
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:37,710
what you want.
I get what you're saying now.

851
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,750
So I was worried that you were
saying that the song was

852
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,870
inherently bad and they should
have done something else instead

853
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,280
of it.
And what what you're saying is

854
00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:48,810
just showing that bit is like
the classic toxicity of toxicity

855
00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:51,360
of as if that's the highlight,
as if that's the bit that

856
00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:53,010
they've learned it from.
It's not really, because I'm

857
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,970
thinking that was just probably
a tiny little thing that they

858
00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:58,790
did to encourage some.
Like, hey, this is a fun lesson

859
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,610
in the lesson alongside all of
the other stuff you said.

860
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:04,310
Because I think if you did a
whole lesson on the water cycle

861
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,530
without that song, and then did
the same lesson on the water

862
00:38:07,540 --> 00:38:10,410
cycle and had that song in it
somewhere as well, that lesson

863
00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:12,530
is always going to be better in
my opinion, because it will be a

864
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:14,710
bit more fun.
And I just, and I really,

865
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:19,690
really, really value maybe too
much, but I really value kids

866
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,310
having fun at school.
I think it's so integral to

867
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,450
them, subliminal, subliminally.
I can't say that word.

868
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,010
Enjoying, learning and sometimes
I'd even sacrifice.

869
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:35,440
Like a little bit of time that
could be ohh, we could have

870
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:37,380
been, you know, could we could
have been doing something that's

871
00:38:37,390 --> 00:38:39,340
more learning.
I'm saying that in quotation

872
00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:41,320
marks, but I wanted to have fun
with them.

873
00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:44,210
I want them to go home and be
like, ohh, I did this really fun

874
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:47,380
thing today in this lesson, and
then maybe draw from that the

875
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:49,200
actual learning that I was
trying to get across.

876
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:50,930
You're right there.
But what's interesting to me is

877
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:52,600
you still made the link at the
end.

878
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:55,110
Why you wanted to have fun is
because they drew learning from

879
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,240
it and because that's what I
mean.

880
00:38:57,250 --> 00:39:01,800
So ultimately still the aim
always has to be what's going to

881
00:39:01,810 --> 00:39:03,410
get the most learning out of
these children?

882
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,030
Because at the end of day,
they're at school to learn.

883
00:39:05,090 --> 00:39:08,000
It can be fun.
Fun can be something we do along

884
00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:10,420
the way.
And I would never say to someone

885
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:12,840
who made a song like who went
for all the effort to do a

886
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:14,560
Taylor Swift song, The kids
would love it.

887
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:18,940
I always do songs with my kids.
We did the digestive system and

888
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:21,220
we got like a we.
We got each part, we got six

889
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:23,900
children up and someone had to
do actions for the mouth,

890
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:26,080
actions for the intestine,
actions for the sport, you know,

891
00:39:26,090 --> 00:39:29,820
all the different parts of the
digestive system and they loved

892
00:39:29,830 --> 00:39:32,320
it.
And two weeks later, I remember

893
00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:36,190
the assistant head came in and
we were reenacting it right?

894
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:39,920
And all of the children
remembered the order because

895
00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:41,610
they're remembered.
Ohh, it's that child, that

896
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:43,710
child, that child, that child.
And I remember that child did

897
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,050
this funny thing for chewing.
So I remember that's the first

898
00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:49,910
thing that happens and saliva
and it was a it was a hook onto

899
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,410
all that learning we've done.
So I think that that you're

900
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:55,140
right.
The overarching point I suppose

901
00:39:55,150 --> 00:39:58,160
here is that TikTok is a
highlight reel, and if we're

902
00:39:58,170 --> 00:40:01,470
talking about good practise,
it's not going to be the be all

903
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,470
and end all and you don't have
to do exactly what you see on

904
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,980
TikTok.
Because you see people

905
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:08,580
commenting on ohh wow.
Every kid deserves a teacher

906
00:40:08,590 --> 00:40:10,680
like you because you've done a
Taylor Swift song.

907
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:12,680
It's awesome.
It's fantastic.

908
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:14,940
It's not bad, but we don't have
to.

909
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:17,480
Then think, ohh gosh, I need to
write a Telly swift song for my

910
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:19,520
lesson tomorrow.
Else this learning won't happen.

911
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:25,090
No it can.
So within this culture of TikTok

912
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:29,050
and positive toxicity as we're
talking about, we've also seen a

913
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:33,910
bit of a rise in teachers using
TikTok within their classrooms

914
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,630
to make content themselves as
well.

915
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:39,890
And that is something that I
would argue before TikTok did

916
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:43,160
not happen.
Maybe, maybe you know, tiny

917
00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:46,110
bits, someone maybe did a
YouTube video or something, but

918
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,220
on the whole that wasn't
something you saw a lot.

919
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,220
I think it comes with.
Lots of different opinions and

920
00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:56,900
discussion points.
I can see you nodding away,

921
00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:59,330
Dylan thinking about this.
So I don't know you want to

922
00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:01,580
start on this really.
But I guess you know what?

923
00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:04,740
What do?
What's your gut reaction to the

924
00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:08,580
idea of teachers using TikTok to
film their own videos?

925
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:11,240
Yeah, there is one distinction I
wanted to make really quickly,

926
00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:14,920
and it was based on a Twitter
poll that I did all about this,

927
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:17,140
so we'll talk about that later.
But before I start, I didn't

928
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:18,960
make this clear.
And I think there is a real

929
00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:22,280
distinction here between
teachers who make tik toks may

930
00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:25,170
be in school or, you know,
educational or informative

931
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:28,210
outside of lesson time with no
children present.

932
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:33,210
And when we make tik toks during
lesson time, that there there is

933
00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:36,300
a clear distinction there.
And the opinions that we got

934
00:41:36,310 --> 00:41:38,820
online basically were almost
predicated on that.

935
00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:42,430
I think many people think that
if a teacher is making a TikTok

936
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,600
and there's no children around,
there's no issue.

937
00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:46,850
You can talk about whether you
think that it's useful or you

938
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:50,290
think that they are giving good
content.

939
00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:53,600
But I think it becomes a
different conversation when

940
00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:56,980
there are children around during
the filming of any kind of

941
00:41:57,370 --> 00:42:00,510
social media, you know, videos
and things like that.

942
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,920
So I think the first thing to
say is that if a teacher is

943
00:42:04,930 --> 00:42:08,860
recording funny tik toks, I've
seen it before online.

944
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:13,460
Someone pointed to an account
that they follow and they said,

945
00:42:13,470 --> 00:42:15,600
well, I don't think that this,
no one can say that what this

946
00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:18,800
guy's doing is wrong or bad
because it just makes funny tik

947
00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:20,190
toks after school, you know what
I mean?

948
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,800
Like you might not watch it, you
might not.

949
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:26,560
You know, like we said with Mr P
when we spoke to him, it might

950
00:42:26,570 --> 00:42:28,840
be our cup of tea.
I I for one actually quite like

951
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:31,490
the tik toks at this guy does
this video, this guy does, but

952
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:33,390
it's just down to him doing it
in his classroom.

953
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,230
There's no one around that's up
to him.

954
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,930
Yeah, but I think there's a big
debate right now about filming

955
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:45,270
during lesson time.
And I think for me, the biggest

956
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,230
thing, I don't like it
personally and it might be

957
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,010
because our schools policy is
really clear.

958
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:53,110
If there's children around, your
phone is not out.

959
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:58,740
It's as simple as that.
Yeah, it's a it's so hard

960
00:42:58,750 --> 00:43:01,580
because safeguarding to anyone
that's not in the education

961
00:43:01,590 --> 00:43:03,920
world, it is #1 priority, even
above learning.

962
00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:07,120
It is just so important.
The safety of our kids is

963
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:10,860
absolutely at all times #1
priority, and anyone in

964
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:15,940
education will agree.
And it is just it completely

965
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:18,920
hypocritical, isn't it, to be
able to say that and then also

966
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,800
say, yeah, it's all right if
your phones out.

967
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,840
Because end of the day, what our
phone can do is it can take

968
00:43:25,850 --> 00:43:29,070
pictures of children.
It can take videos of children.

969
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,510
And if your phone is out, I
don't care if someone say, oh,

970
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,870
I'm doing a TikTok, how do you
know they're not just filming

971
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,450
you?
Do you know?

972
00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:37,830
I mean, like, there is always
going to be a risk factor that

973
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,330
someone's going to accuse you as
a teacher who's got their phone

974
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:42,010
out of you just took a picture
of me.

975
00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:43,340
No, I didn't.
No, no, I didn't.

976
00:43:43,350 --> 00:43:44,230
You did.
You've deleted it.

977
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,480
You just took a picture and
report it.

978
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:47,590
There you go, your phone.
And if the policy says your

979
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,510
phone shouldn't be out, that's
it.

980
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,040
Your job's gone.
Like, is that really worth the

981
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:52,720
risk?
But I also think.

982
00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:56,660
And a complete flip side that it
is 100% down to the school's

983
00:43:56,670 --> 00:43:59,440
policy on how they manage their
safeguarding.

984
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:01,940
And as long as they're not
breaching actual safeguarding

985
00:44:02,730 --> 00:44:05,220
rules in terms of actually
taking pictures of children and

986
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:08,370
videoing children, then it is
kind of down to the school to

987
00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:11,220
decide what their acceptable use
policy is on that thing.

988
00:44:11,290 --> 00:44:14,660
So I'm imagining the teachers
that we see who do make tick

989
00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:18,380
tocks and things in school.
I'd like to think I would be

990
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:20,630
breaking the rules horrendously
and just risking their job for

991
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,410
no reason.
I'd like to think they've spoken

992
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:25,810
to their head teacher and and
check the policy to make sure

993
00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:27,400
that's allowed to do it.
And their policy is probably

994
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:30,560
something like you're allowed to
do this, it just you just cannot

995
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:34,140
feature any evidence of
children's names or faces in the

996
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:37,210
videos.
But it's it's hard, isn't it?

997
00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:41,240
Opens up a can of worms for that
person because the risk factor

998
00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:44,720
is then really high because if
you accidentally do one of those

999
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:47,860
things, there is a good chance
you'll lose your job.

1000
00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:50,940
Yeah, exactly.
And funny enough what you said.

1001
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:53,510
It's from a guy called Omar,
lots of our listeners who are in

1002
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,280
this future world, well know
Omar, he does the teachers

1003
00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:57,540
manual.
So he sells, he, he sells a

1004
00:44:57,550 --> 00:44:59,860
couple of amazing books about
the unofficial guide for, you

1005
00:44:59,870 --> 00:45:01,340
know, new teachers and things
like that.

1006
00:45:01,410 --> 00:45:04,920
And he does film videos and he
replied to her tweet and he was

1007
00:45:04,930 --> 00:45:08,180
saying how the policy he uses is
really clear, basically.

1008
00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:11,900
So the guidance that he uses in
school is nothing that indicates

1009
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:14,680
the school, obviously no logos
or anything like that.

1010
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,400
It should be visible and of
course no pupils.

1011
00:45:17,470 --> 00:45:20,150
So it's that blanket.
You know he's following those

1012
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,500
two rules.
It's safe.

1013
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:24,160
You're absolutely right when you
say the can of worms comes with

1014
00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:28,010
teachers who are using lesson
time there.

1015
00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:31,500
You know for a fact the other
side of that device, there are

1016
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:33,140
thirty children sat and a
lesson.

1017
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:38,680
And I think the issue comes for
me #1 I just, I think, I just

1018
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:40,760
think it shouldn't happen.
I just think that's something we

1019
00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:43,920
can just stay away from.
I think maybe how people could

1020
00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:46,790
get around it is perhaps they're
filming on an iPad.

1021
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,340
That's a school iPad.
That's immediately different to

1022
00:45:49,350 --> 00:45:51,410
me than getting your personal
phone out and recording

1023
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:54,630
something in a lesson.
I think even if the policy is

1024
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,700
different, I'd still argue what
you said at the start is still

1025
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:58,280
relevant.
I don't think that because the

1026
00:45:58,290 --> 00:46:01,250
Scores policy says you can have
your phone, I don't think that

1027
00:46:01,260 --> 00:46:04,000
negates the risk for me as a
teacher of a child turning

1028
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:06,350
around and saying, no, you did
that and I don't.

1029
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,190
I don't know if I'd be
comfortable pointing to the

1030
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:13,090
policy which says I could if a
child accused me of taking a

1031
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:14,870
photo or taking the video when I
shouldn't have.

1032
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:17,550
And I'd still feel personally
responsible for having my phone

1033
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,040
out in the first place.
And I think that when you look

1034
00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:24,460
at the results from the poll
that we did, so I'll tell you

1035
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:27,940
now, we did a poll, it's
basically I just asked, you

1036
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:32,060
know, we're doing a a podcast
later on TikTok about teachers

1037
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:34,320
recording themselves very
specifically about teachers

1038
00:46:34,330 --> 00:46:36,380
recording themselves in the
classroom.

1039
00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:39,200
And the options were fine in all
circumstances.

1040
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,950
OK, if no kids faces.
So we see this a lot where we

1041
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,600
can hear the kids voices, but
there's no kids faces just on

1042
00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:48,420
the teacher, OK, if no kids at
all.

1043
00:46:48,730 --> 00:46:51,610
So what we mean by that is here
in the classroom, it could be

1044
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:52,670
joining the lesson, it could not
be.

1045
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,530
But there's absolutely no
evidence of the children

1046
00:46:54,540 --> 00:46:56,910
whatsoever.
And no phones in the classroom

1047
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,030
was the last one I put in.
That's simple as that.

1048
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,190
No, no phones out in the
classroom. 62 percent, 62% of

1049
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,810
people said no phones in the
classroom.

1050
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:07,790
So immediately just our policy,
no phones out, simple as that.

1051
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:14,890
34% said OK, if no kids at all.
So between 64, sorry, 34 and 62

1052
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:19,150
that's 96% of people went for an
option which was no kids at all.

1053
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:22,010
You know, whatever you're doing,
if you're recording something,

1054
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:26,670
no children at all. 3% said OK
if no kids faces.

1055
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,040
So I assume you know people are
thinking voices, OK, fine,

1056
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:32,530
whatever.
But no faces And then that

1057
00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:34,810
classic 1% fine in all
circumstances.

1058
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:36,770
I'm sure that person just wanted
to look at the results or

1059
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:38,510
something, because I don't think
there are many teachers who

1060
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,220
think OK in all circumstances
you can just upload.

1061
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:43,410
It might not be a teacher, it
might be someone else just

1062
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:45,490
doesn't, you know, think about
safeguarding, I think.

1063
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:46,370
Do you know where I'd sit on
that?

1064
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:49,450
Because I think I'm different to
you in terms of like, from a

1065
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:52,090
policy standard.
I actually don't have a problem.

1066
00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:56,130
I would take the OK as long as
there's no children's faces.

1067
00:47:56,140 --> 00:47:57,740
Basically what the other guy
said, as long as you're not

1068
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:59,730
naming the school, naming any
children, or showing any

1069
00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:02,100
children, I am actually
completely OK with it and I

1070
00:48:02,110 --> 00:48:06,270
think it's absolutely fine.
The only reason I probably still

1071
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:09,680
would not even like allow that
if I was SLT.

1072
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,700
Falls ahead, teacher, perhaps.
I'd still probably not make that

1073
00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:16,500
the policy because I just think
the risk factor is too high.

1074
00:48:16,510 --> 00:48:19,030
Still.
I don't think that there's any

1075
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,240
problem with a teacher doing
that and following that policy.

1076
00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:23,170
I just think they're going to
slip up eventually.

1077
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:27,030
And then and the problem of them
slipping up is way, way what is

1078
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,480
just not worth the risk.
If you think that a teacher is

1079
00:48:29,490 --> 00:48:32,360
going to step up at some point,
then of course that needs to not

1080
00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:34,610
be a thing then, right?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1081
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:36,470
But I'm saying I don't
inherently have a problem with,

1082
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,960
I don't see someone doing a
video in class, right, where

1083
00:48:39,970 --> 00:48:42,240
they've followed that policy
perfectly fine and go, oh,

1084
00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:43,730
that's terrible, they shouldn't
be doing that.

1085
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:47,230
I'm sure that's terrible.
They, I don't think that, but I

1086
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:49,510
think that's absolutely, I think
it's fine within limits of I

1087
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,480
think if someone did a 20 minute
live stream in class and they're

1088
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:54,670
just completely wasting the time
of the kids that obviously

1089
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,440
that's terrible.
A 22nd video, I think can have

1090
00:48:57,450 --> 00:48:59,190
its purposes.
The kids might think you're

1091
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,940
cool.
It might develop your

1092
00:48:59,950 --> 00:49:02,670
relationship with them.
They obviously engage with that.

1093
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,720
That's their kind of generation,
that sort of stuff that, you

1094
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:07,240
know, it might enhance your
relationship with them a little

1095
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:09,120
bit.
But I still think as a leader, I

1096
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:13,000
just, I would be like, yeah, I'm
really cool with it, but how

1097
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:15,500
many videos is it going to take
to accidentally get a people's

1098
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:17,680
jumper in the background with
our school on it and their name

1099
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:19,780
on it, and you've just not
realised it and you had no

1100
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:21,760
intention to.
But now we've got a massive case

1101
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:23,260
on our hands of safeguarding to
deal with.

1102
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:25,900
What's really interesting to be
thinking, Yeah, what's really

1103
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:29,120
interesting to me based on that
is do you not think then you

1104
00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:30,880
know, you're saying it's on
their level.

1105
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:33,680
It's the kind of thing they do.
No child in the primary school

1106
00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:36,200
should be on TikTok.
So are we not glamorising TikTok

1107
00:49:36,210 --> 00:49:37,800
by saying, ohh, I'm making
TikTok kids.

1108
00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:39,520
Isn't that cool?
It's like, well actually, I

1109
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:41,660
don't really want you on TikTok.
I know what the algorithm does

1110
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:43,700
for you.
It's this idea of, you know, you

1111
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:46,920
can't really give consent if
you're an 8 or 9 year old, even

1112
00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:48,130
having your voice in the
background.

1113
00:49:48,140 --> 00:49:50,020
I don't know.
I feel really uncomfortable.

1114
00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:53,130
If I'd sent my child to school,
I came across a tick tock of

1115
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:55,410
their teacher.
It had hundreds of Tik toks over

1116
00:49:55,420 --> 00:49:56,950
the time.
Even if my child's face wasn't

1117
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,760
in it.
I know it's during lesson time

1118
00:49:58,850 --> 00:50:01,180
and they hadn't even consulted
me.

1119
00:50:01,230 --> 00:50:04,550
I'd feel really off about that.
And because it's an it's an 8

1120
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,680
year old, my 8 year old
shouldn't be on TikTok anyway.

1121
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:09,280
And if you're not telling them
it's going on TikTok, you're

1122
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:11,720
just secretly filming them.
Or you are telling them it's

1123
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:13,810
going on TikTok and then they
want to go on TikTok and see

1124
00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:15,900
you.
That's such a good point.

1125
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:17,510
I didn't even think about that.
Obviously we've had this

1126
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,200
discussion before and I know
we've had this discussion before

1127
00:50:20,250 --> 00:50:23,360
because obviously alongside our
teaching, we do other things as

1128
00:50:23,370 --> 00:50:26,200
well and we at one point made a
TikTok account ourselves.

1129
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:28,270
We do tutoring and and a lot of
our tutoring.

1130
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:31,620
Our YouTube channel is focused
on parents and families who are,

1131
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:33,220
you know, preparing for certain
things.

1132
00:50:33,370 --> 00:50:36,130
And so we were like, let's make
a TikTok because that's that's

1133
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:37,660
big now.
This was like 2 years ago.

1134
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:42,720
And we very quickly, one,
stopped really making videos and

1135
00:50:42,730 --> 00:50:45,830
two, turned off any interaction
possibilities by the comments

1136
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,370
and things because we were like,
what are we?

1137
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:50,640
Because we quickly were like
what we're doing is, you know,

1138
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:52,660
are we are we doing exactly what
you just said?

1139
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:55,980
Are we encouraging people that
are too young to use TikTok by

1140
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:58,520
making videos where they can
comment and things you know?

1141
00:50:58,610 --> 00:51:00,950
Is this is this irresponsible?
So we turned off all commenting

1142
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,570
and we haven't turned back
since.

1143
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,930
It's when we saw the comments we
were like, Nope, wrong.

1144
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:07,210
Immediately we saw that because
just for clarification for

1145
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:09,730
everyone, this is not in a
classroom, This is not anything

1146
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:12,090
to do with the school.
This Is Us sat in our office

1147
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:14,830
making videos that are designed
to, you know, help talk through

1148
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,230
how to solve questions and
stuff.

1149
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,480
So for parents more than
anything, to help them teach

1150
00:51:18,490 --> 00:51:20,480
their children.
So it's a very, very completely

1151
00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:22,610
different argument in terms of
there's no safeguarding

1152
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:25,240
whatsoever involved.
But even at that level, when

1153
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:27,750
there's no safeguarding
involved, when we realised that

1154
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,190
obviously some of the children
in our school have TikTok and

1155
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,400
obviously the algorithm is this
unbelievable behemoth beast that

1156
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:36,270
will just find exactly what the
children want to see.

1157
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,590
And as soon as we saw Oh my
goodness, I think this like is

1158
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,930
someone who may have spoken to,
taught in school, at some point

1159
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:45,810
we shut it off completely.
So I think maybe because we're

1160
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:48,570
coming from that background of
even that made us feel

1161
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:51,600
uncomfortable.
I personally can't fathom

1162
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:55,190
teachers in state schools, or
whether it is with children

1163
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:58,010
without consent making tik toks
and posting them.

1164
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:00,290
I I think maybe that's why I'm
on the complete end of the

1165
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:01,660
scale.
I can't believe what you're

1166
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:02,620
doing.
I just don't get it.

1167
00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:05,250
Can you Can you imagine like
being one of doing one of those

1168
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:07,740
videos and then like it goes
quite viral because often they

1169
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:12,360
got a lot of views and like 1520
thirty, forty of those comments

1170
00:52:12,370 --> 00:52:14,500
are literally the children that
are in that video comment.

1171
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:16,610
To be like oh that was me that
was my that's my teacher.

1172
00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:19,300
Because they are kids are proud
like they'd be well happy that

1173
00:52:19,310 --> 00:52:21,500
their teachers video went viral.
They wouldn't see an issue with

1174
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:24,200
it obviously.
But yeah I'd felt well awkward

1175
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:26,260
knowing yeah I've done this
video yeah all my kids are

1176
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:28,000
commenting on it.
I could reply to them if I want

1177
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:30,900
to.
It just opens up another line of

1178
00:52:30,910 --> 00:52:32,760
safeguarding.
Use for SLT to consider.

1179
00:52:32,830 --> 00:52:35,280
Especially when if you look at
their comments and you scroll

1180
00:52:35,290 --> 00:52:38,100
through, it's in between
comments from 4050 year olds who

1181
00:52:38,110 --> 00:52:41,520
are weird on social media and
post weird things and may have

1182
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:43,470
said something.
You know, we talked earlier

1183
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,250
about a troll on one of our
videos.

1184
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:47,360
There could be a troll about
their teacher, you know, in

1185
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:49,760
there like some people something
horrible or then something bad

1186
00:52:49,770 --> 00:52:52,600
or someone saying I'd hate you
as my teacher and the fact that

1187
00:52:52,610 --> 00:52:55,330
that's intertwined with the
children in the video because

1188
00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:58,280
we're already fighting a battle
against social media as teachers

1189
00:52:58,290 --> 00:53:00,840
anyway.
It's just horribly, horribly

1190
00:53:00,850 --> 00:53:03,530
uncomfortable for me and I'm.
I think I'm vehemently against

1191
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:05,870
doing it personally.
Yeah, do you know what that's

1192
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,580
that's changed my mind a little
bit just that the literally that

1193
00:53:08,590 --> 00:53:10,880
conversation more, way more now
towards.

1194
00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:13,960
It's OK if I still think after
school's a bit different.

1195
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:16,090
Yes, definitely.
I think if if there are no

1196
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:17,660
voices from children, things
still different.

1197
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:21,440
Do you find a difference between
primary and secondary school on

1198
00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:23,780
on that argument?
Because I think I, I I tend to

1199
00:53:23,790 --> 00:53:25,310
think there's a difference
there, but I've never taught

1200
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,060
secondary.
So you know I might be thinking

1201
00:53:28,070 --> 00:53:30,290
a year seven or eight child is
inherently different to a year

1202
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:31,860
six child which isn't
necessarily true.

1203
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:34,600
But I I feel like that gap is is
quite a big jump as well.

1204
00:53:34,610 --> 00:53:36,490
There I feel more protective
about primary school.

1205
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,820
I think on one condition is that
they're allowed to use the app

1206
00:53:39,830 --> 00:53:42,330
by that age, by a certain age.
I, you know, I'm imagining

1207
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:45,130
children over 13 or whatever the
age that you know is now for

1208
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:47,570
those sorts of things.
In my opinion, that's the only

1209
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:50,280
thing that makes a difference.
And then equally again at 16 to

1210
00:53:50,290 --> 00:53:54,320
18 when people come legally
adults and you know, then it's

1211
00:53:54,330 --> 00:53:56,560
completely different again.
So yeah, I do, I do think it's

1212
00:53:56,570 --> 00:53:58,510
different A7 year old who
shouldn't be on TikTok anyway,

1213
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,550
engaging with something.
It's very different to my in my

1214
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,480
opinion to like a 14 year old
engaging with the same sort of

1215
00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:04,770
video.
It's just not the same because

1216
00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:06,130
they're allowed to be on the
app.

1217
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,320
I still think it's.
I don't think it's much

1218
00:54:08,330 --> 00:54:09,680
different.
It's only slightly more on the

1219
00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:10,830
scale.
I think it should probably be

1220
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,740
treated the same, like we
generally have rules for

1221
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:15,720
children under 16 for a reason,
blanket rules that don't

1222
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:18,390
actually change.
So we probably shouldn't just be

1223
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,510
like, oh, they're a bit older
now, so we can break that, we

1224
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,550
can bend the rules a bit now.
I guess so, But no.

1225
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:25,530
The only thing is the age of the
app.

1226
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:29,890
Yeah, no, certainly just like
widen this chat here I suppose,

1227
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:33,410
and go to Hot Topic.
I remember debating this when I

1228
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:37,310
was in year 8I English teacher
was teaching us how to argue.

1229
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,240
My friend always joked that that
English teacher created me

1230
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:45,800
because I just love arguing joke
and I thank her for it every

1231
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:46,700
day.
Missus wheel.

1232
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:49,820
If you're for some reason
listening to this, you are the

1233
00:54:49,830 --> 00:54:52,110
reason why all my friends hate
talking to me about anything

1234
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,980
that's remotely controversial.
So thank you, including me,

1235
00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:59,410
including you.
So the idea basically we're

1236
00:54:59,420 --> 00:55:01,860
talking about kids on social
media in general, which I think

1237
00:55:01,870 --> 00:55:05,540
is one of the, if not the
biggest problem with our youth

1238
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:07,460
currently.
Maybe I'm naive.

1239
00:55:07,870 --> 00:55:09,780
Obviously there are bigger
actual problems.

1240
00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:12,000
You know, if you're thinking
county lines and you know gangs

1241
00:55:12,010 --> 00:55:15,050
and things like that, clearly
that's a more serious problem.

1242
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:16,770
But it doesn't affect as many
children.

1243
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:20,590
I think the widespread use of
social media from a young age

1244
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:23,860
and the mixture of that with an
algorithm which pushes something

1245
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:27,190
that they're interested in or
get latched onto is one of the

1246
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,340
defining problems that we're
going to have over the next 5-10

1247
00:55:29,350 --> 00:55:31,910
years with children.
And we need to somehow.

1248
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,170
I don't know what the answer is,
but I'm really worried about it.

1249
00:55:34,340 --> 00:55:38,670
What's your opinion on, and I'm
talking primary school very

1250
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,920
specifically, Primary school,
Obviously we could have the

1251
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:43,340
social media chat.
We know there are age

1252
00:55:43,350 --> 00:55:44,750
restrictions.
We know children shouldn't be on

1253
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,970
it, but they are.
That's almost a discussion for a

1254
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:48,730
different time.
We've we've touched on that.

1255
00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:50,670
But what do you think about
mobile phones?

1256
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:53,310
Because it's intertwined with
social media.

1257
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,650
If the child has a smartphone,
which they might want to use for

1258
00:55:56,660 --> 00:55:59,330
a certain reason, that will
automatically have the apps on

1259
00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:01,610
it.
So do you think primary school

1260
00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:05,350
children should be allowed to
bring in their smartphones into

1261
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,570
school?
Yes.

1262
00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:11,210
OK.
Right.

1263
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:12,680
That's good to know.
Yeah.

1264
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:13,880
I don't.
I don't, I don't wanna spend

1265
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:16,780
ages on it.
I think I just want your idea

1266
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:19,720
because I know you're in year
six and I know in secondary

1267
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:22,220
schools, for example, it's a
completely different ball game

1268
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:24,420
because there's so many children
and you, you know, you've got to

1269
00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:26,380
let the kids have their phones
getting older, blah, blah.

1270
00:56:26,610 --> 00:56:30,040
Primary school, I, I hear a lot
of different kind of policies on

1271
00:56:30,050 --> 00:56:31,380
phones.
I've heard some of that ban them

1272
00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:32,660
outright.
I've heard some let them for

1273
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:36,420
certain reasons, which is what's
your general idea of because

1274
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:38,940
this is the point.
Children bring in smartphones,

1275
00:56:39,010 --> 00:56:41,370
smartphones will have social
media apps on them, which we

1276
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:43,310
know they're not supposed to be
on, but they will just be on

1277
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,410
them.
We know that's a fact.

1278
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,490
So we're introducing that into
our school.

1279
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,720
For what benefit?
I mean, you tell me, like, what

1280
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:52,510
do you think we should do in
terms of schools and mobile

1281
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,760
phones?
Right, because because there is

1282
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:57,350
that risk.
Of the social media apps being

1283
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,650
on those phones, we cannot have
a blanket policy that's just

1284
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:00,600
like, yeah, you can bring phones
in.

1285
00:57:00,610 --> 00:57:03,190
So when I said yes, that was
obviously a caveat to that.

1286
00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:06,740
This is very simple.
I just think there needs to be a

1287
00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:10,360
policy that says 2 parents, your
children could bring in your

1288
00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:14,280
phone if they are walking home
or leaving school by themselves

1289
00:57:14,290 --> 00:57:16,790
and you want to monitor their
whereabouts because that's what

1290
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,310
people do nowadays, isn't it?
We use phones with like 5 my

1291
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,530
location stuff on it and it
does.

1292
00:57:21,570 --> 00:57:23,450
You can't argue that doesn't
make it safer.

1293
00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:25,600
When we were at school, if we
walked home it was just

1294
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:28,390
inherently less safe because we
had no way of tracking where we

1295
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,000
were.
Our parents just had to rely on

1296
00:57:30,010 --> 00:57:32,340
us getting home.
So I think that in that

1297
00:57:32,350 --> 00:57:35,130
situation is absolutely fine,
but other than that I don't

1298
00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:37,560
think under.
Any circumstance that children

1299
00:57:37,570 --> 00:57:39,530
should be allowed their phones
in school because all it does is

1300
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:42,790
open a can of worms with social
media and TikTok.

1301
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,350
So just to clarify, in your
opinion, because again, I think

1302
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,050
I'm more old school, I would
edge on no phones in school, but

1303
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:52,500
I completely get that parents
might want that if they're

1304
00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:54,330
walking home.
And to me that's enough for me

1305
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:57,510
to say, OK, yeah, sure, of
course I might not like it, but

1306
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,910
I can see why.
So in terms of your thought

1307
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,130
process, I'm just thinking of
when you hand the phones out to

1308
00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:05,350
the children, at the end of the
day you're hand in hand in an

1309
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,990
iPhone.
Three kids is going to put them

1310
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,310
on a pedestal, isn't it?
Compared to the other kids, you

1311
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,600
don't have them.
So if someone doesn't walk into

1312
00:58:11,610 --> 00:58:15,900
school or a family can't afford
an iPhone, you know, is is it

1313
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:19,740
enough of a detriment for
children to see some kids having

1314
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:22,720
their phone given to them or do
you think doesn't matter, just

1315
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:24,640
got to get over it.
It's about safety is what it is.

1316
00:58:25,610 --> 00:58:27,960
Yeah, it's filled with you.
I I do think that last one like

1317
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:30,430
it doesn't matter that much.
Like as if as if that's the

1318
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,140
moment.
The way kids are only gonna see

1319
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:34,060
each other phones and stuff.
Yeah, yeah.

1320
00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:36,630
It's like they're if if that's
gonna be a problem, that's gonna

1321
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,840
be a problem anyway, regardless
of me giving out their phones at

1322
00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:40,640
the end of the day or not.
I just don't think we need to

1323
00:58:40,650 --> 00:58:42,780
worry about that.
But the problem does come of

1324
00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:45,340
again, and this has happened to
me, is how you do it right?

1325
00:58:45,350 --> 00:58:47,240
So I've handed out phones
before.

1326
00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:48,790
Literally.
We're going to that game.

1327
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:49,930
We're going home now.
Here's your phone.

1328
00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:52,220
Put it in your bag.
You're leaving now dismiss you

1329
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:54,200
all.
And in that time, a child has

1330
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:55,770
got their phone out and started
taking pictures of.

1331
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,650
Looking at top, yeah.
And it became a big issue.

1332
00:58:57,660 --> 00:58:59,380
And it was a safeguarding issue.
Had to be logged properly.

1333
00:58:59,390 --> 00:59:02,120
You know, It was, you just
think, Oh my God, we have to

1334
00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:03,820
have really strict policies.
Yeah.

1335
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:06,900
And just to make it a nice round
circle back.

1336
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:09,820
I think that idea of us having
really strict policies, I think

1337
00:59:09,830 --> 00:59:11,660
we have to apply that to filming
stuff.

1338
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:15,480
And I think the idea of doing
that with children around, it's

1339
00:59:15,490 --> 00:59:17,420
just don't do it, don't open
that kind of worms.

1340
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:19,800
You might do it beautifully 99
times in a row.

1341
00:59:19,850 --> 00:59:23,710
But, you know, let's let's just
think about this and let's look

1342
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,820
around around bring back there.
Yeah.

1343
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:27,780
Yeah, yeah, lovely.
But this last time.

1344
00:59:27,790 --> 00:59:28,330
Yeah.
Beautiful.

1345
00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:30,510
Yeah.
OK, cool.

1346
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:31,630
That's lovely.
Chat.

1347
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,790
Shall we?
I think you had one little story

1348
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,630
history.
Do a little little Jingle.

1349
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,590
And then?
Jingle time, baby.

1350
00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:44,040
Welcome back from the Jingle.
I know, right?

1351
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:46,300
Still funny.
Did you make a cup of joke in

1352
00:59:46,310 --> 00:59:47,320
that time?
Did you better?

1353
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,960
Dylan, stop.
Stop.

1354
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:53,920
You're just single time.
I got a haircut.

1355
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:56,340
Just, I can't handle it.
All right.

1356
00:59:56,350 --> 00:59:57,510
So we're going to move on.
So funny.

1357
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,890
So someone has written in Dylan
and it's a bit of a -1.

1358
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:04,170
So I'm going to call it toxicity
in schools, kind of.

1359
01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:06,580
Right, we got the title in this
episode.

1360
01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:09,300
Yeah, yeah I suppose so.
So this is what they wrote

1361
01:00:09,310 --> 01:00:11,270
anyway and it's just it's not
even a question really.

1362
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:15,170
So enjoy, they said I recently
moved to the UK, Welcome to the

1363
01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:18,310
UK, I'm a teacher and I've
lasted about six months in the

1364
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,310
system.
Ohh, I'm completely exhausted,

1365
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,450
drained and I cannot do it
anymore.

1366
01:00:23,590 --> 01:00:26,150
Education here is an
underappreciated slog.

1367
01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:28,810
I'm feeling very demotivated,
but I need to get out of this

1368
01:00:28,820 --> 01:00:30,750
career, and I don't.
But I don't know what I want to

1369
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,430
do instead.
Ah, so that's that's that's what

1370
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,650
they wrote?
Yeah, sorry, that's falling off

1371
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:41,600
a Cliff as she was writing it.
Ah, that's how you fall off a

1372
01:00:41,610 --> 01:00:44,030
Cliff, right?
But yeah, it was interesting

1373
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,460
though, you know, it was nice.
Thank you for writing in.

1374
01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:48,060
It's nice that you thought that
maybe we're someone to speak to

1375
01:00:48,070 --> 01:00:50,730
or go no, because it's what I
really, really want to say.

1376
01:00:50,740 --> 01:00:54,040
Because as soon as you said move
from the UK, I love that this

1377
01:00:54,050 --> 01:00:56,740
person wrote in, because I'm
going to come on a little byline

1378
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:59,240
here.
How many different countries do

1379
01:00:59,250 --> 01:01:01,810
you think listen to this podcast
because it blew my mind.

1380
01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:04,630
So it's got all the data on
Spotify podcasters.

1381
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:07,970
How many different countries has
this podcast been streamed into?

1382
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:11,320
God, you're exposing the fact
that I never look at the data.

1383
01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:14,660
You look at it all the time.
I don't know 5.

1384
01:01:14,670 --> 01:01:15,690
Five.
You think 5.

1385
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:17,050
Couple of European countries,
yeah.

1386
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:20,430
Surely higher, higher than five
couple of others 10 higher than

1387
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,390
10, 2020 doubling higher than
20, no.

1388
01:01:25,450 --> 01:01:27,700
I thought that was gonna be the
Today would tell me then.

1389
01:01:27,710 --> 01:01:31,670
I have no idea. 33 different
countries, I promise you that.

1390
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:32,890
Yeah.
You sound really infused.

1391
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:34,340
Yeah.
Yeah, 33 different.

1392
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:36,840
I'm just thinking that can't be
right, surely.

1393
01:01:38,650 --> 01:01:42,920
So if this person who wrote in,
if you're listening, he or she,

1394
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:45,300
I don't know who you are.
Can you also let us know what

1395
01:01:45,310 --> 01:01:48,080
country you move from?
Because I look at this list.

1396
01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:50,260
Right.
And I think ohh makes sense.

1397
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:53,780
You know, Australia, United
States, Ireland, all in the top

1398
01:01:53,790 --> 01:01:54,660
five.
Germany.

1399
01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:57,620
You know, a lot of people in
Germany, they speak English.

1400
01:01:57,670 --> 01:02:00,050
Zambia.
Oh, OK.

1401
01:02:00,060 --> 01:02:03,060
As you do, as you do.
Thailand, Taiwan, Hong Kong,

1402
01:02:03,070 --> 01:02:04,180
Qatar.
Tanzania.

1403
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:07,060
Turkey, Cyprus, Portugal,
Malaysia, Netherlands, United

1404
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:10,710
Arab Emirates, Nepal.
We've had a stream in the pool.

1405
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,600
Like, right, Amazing.
If you are from if you are the

1406
01:02:13,610 --> 01:02:16,010
person or people from those
countries listening to this

1407
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:18,150
episode, please write in to us
and just say, hey, that's me and

1408
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,620
I'm from wherever would love to
connect with amazing.

1409
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:22,960
Anyway, back to your sorry, I
got very excited then because I

1410
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:27,010
thought, oh, an excuse to say,
33 countries, but yeah, what?

1411
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:29,710
What?
It's it's a train, isn't it?

1412
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,100
Six months in the system and
already.

1413
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,380
Yeah, I mean, there's not much,
there's not much to say about

1414
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:35,640
this, really.
I think they just want to vent a

1415
01:02:35,650 --> 01:02:38,030
little bit.
Or my only advice really to that

1416
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,510
person would be don't, you know,
don't give up in the country in

1417
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,730
general.
Like, don't give up thinking you

1418
01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:45,890
can't do something.
And there are some really good

1419
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:49,130
Facebook groups, for example,
where people go and just

1420
01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:50,950
basically share their stories
and talk about other things

1421
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,790
they've done after teaching.
That might be worth joining,

1422
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:56,270
just to kind of get some more
opinions on what else you could

1423
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,830
do.
But it is a shame, isn't it?

1424
01:02:57,870 --> 01:02:59,770
I thought it was worth sharing
Dylan because it's like, doesn't

1425
01:02:59,780 --> 01:03:02,930
that just summarise some of the
things we spoke about in this

1426
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:05,140
podcast?
And I think if that person wants

1427
01:03:05,150 --> 01:03:07,840
some advice from me, it's to go
into TikTok and watch how good

1428
01:03:07,850 --> 01:03:11,470
everyone else is.
There you go.

1429
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:15,820
Wow.
Ohh yeah, but that's it.

1430
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:18,760
Cool.
Well, as always, I must just say

1431
01:03:18,830 --> 01:03:22,090
please get in touch with us.
And I don't care if it's, you

1432
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:24,970
know, a two word hello.
I don't care what it is.

1433
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:27,680
If you're listening to this
podcast right now, two word

1434
01:03:27,690 --> 01:03:28,680
Hello.
Don't know what that is.

1435
01:03:28,690 --> 01:03:32,020
Hello there.
Laughing hello there.

1436
01:03:32,130 --> 01:03:33,770
Hello there.
Yeah, it was just that I might

1437
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:36,100
be a bit worried.
But please, can you just get in

1438
01:03:36,110 --> 01:03:39,050
touch with us because we love
doing this, we love hearing your

1439
01:03:39,060 --> 01:03:40,700
stories.
But we also just want to know

1440
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:43,140
who's actually listening to this
podcast because we see all these

1441
01:03:43,150 --> 01:03:45,610
numbers going up every week.
You see our followers going up,

1442
01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:48,600
the plays going up.
It's really encouraging, but we

1443
01:03:48,610 --> 01:03:50,330
want to hear from you.
So if you listen to this

1444
01:03:50,340 --> 01:03:52,430
podcast, you've got this far
into this episode and you've

1445
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,060
heard us say this, get in touch
with us.

1446
01:03:54,070 --> 01:03:56,970
We are on Instagram, Teach,
Seat, repeat podcast.

1447
01:03:57,060 --> 01:04:00,370
We are on Gmail, Teach, Sleep,
repeat pod@gmail.com.

1448
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,140
We have just got a Facebook page
that I've linked to our

1449
01:04:03,150 --> 01:04:04,910
Instagram.
So if you search on Facebook

1450
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,050
Teach podcast, we'll be on
there.

1451
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:09,830
So you can message us on there.
You can comment guys, just get

1452
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,850
involved.
We love hearing from you and

1453
01:04:11,860 --> 01:04:15,340
Hayden.
We have some progress on the

1454
01:04:15,390 --> 01:04:16,960
five star reviews when it comes
to.

1455
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,580
Actually about to ask about
that.

1456
01:04:19,590 --> 01:04:24,800
We we we are now on 12 reviews.
So we've got an extra three or

1457
01:04:24,810 --> 01:04:28,740
four I think that is helping us
battle against that pesky one

1458
01:04:28,750 --> 01:04:31,080
star review.
So up to 4.6 or 4.7.

1459
01:04:31,090 --> 01:04:35,080
Now guys, if you have an iPhone,
please go and give us a 5 star

1460
01:04:35,090 --> 01:04:36,860
review on there.
If you have any phone

1461
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:38,950
whatsoever, even if it's an
iPhone, you can give us a double

1462
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,420
review.
Please give us a 5 star review

1463
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:42,780
on Spotify.
We're up to nearly 55 star

1464
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:45,680
reviews on Spotify.
It's so helpful to us because if

1465
01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:48,710
someone stumbles across the
podcast and you enjoy it, you

1466
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,780
let them know.
It helps us out because they're

1467
01:04:50,790 --> 01:04:52,460
going to click on us and we're
going to grow and grow.

1468
01:04:53,230 --> 01:04:54,450
Love it.
And you looked at the camera.

1469
01:04:54,460 --> 01:04:56,580
Then I did because people are
watching.

1470
01:04:56,850 --> 01:04:58,880
I can see you press that five
star over you.

1471
01:04:58,890 --> 01:05:01,640
Yeah.
Please notice I haven't been

1472
01:05:01,650 --> 01:05:03,500
biassed this week about to
people who are watching you.

1473
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:05,190
Haven't you complained last
week?

1474
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,320
You told me off.
You always call them, you know,

1475
01:05:08,010 --> 01:05:09,320
viewers.
And I just.

1476
01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:12,000
I I'm all here for everyone.
Everyone's equal in my eyes,

1477
01:05:12,010 --> 01:05:13,620
whether they're watching or
listening.

1478
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:15,440
And that's what I'll do for you
guys.

1479
01:05:15,450 --> 01:05:18,620
I'm here for you, Hayden.
He's in for one certain type of.

1480
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:19,540
Watch.
Unless you haven't got an

1481
01:05:19,550 --> 01:05:22,310
iPhone, in which case he's not
interested in, you can't leave a

1482
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,040
review on Apple.
I want you Spotify reviews,

1483
01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:25,600
please.
Thank you very much.

1484
01:05:26,350 --> 01:05:28,810
But yeah, we wrap up there.
It's been, I've really enjoyed

1485
01:05:28,820 --> 01:05:30,340
this one actually.
It's been a great one, just for

1486
01:05:30,350 --> 01:05:33,370
a little while and hopefully,
obviously, I know I've changed

1487
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:34,880
my mind completely because
that's what happens.

1488
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,470
We talked half an hour and then
you agree with me, that's fine.

1489
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,160
How?
Did you?

1490
01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:40,370
Well, we'll see about that.
Let's see what people find I

1491
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:42,730
thought was interesting.
I could definitely talk more

1492
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:46,370
about the whole issue of finding
education fun and balancing that

1493
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:48,640
with the learning, which is
obviously the kind of the point

1494
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:51,050
of school.
But maybe we'll continue that

1495
01:05:51,060 --> 01:05:53,800
conversation in a few months.
Time another episode once we've

1496
01:05:53,810 --> 01:05:57,210
heard some opinions from our
lovely viewer slash listeners.

1497
01:05:57,220 --> 01:06:00,030
Oh, well done, well done, guys.
Catch you next.