Ep 18: Should Teachers Use AI When Writing Reports?

0:00 Hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode of teach sleep. Repeat, my name is Dylan and my name is Hayden. We got our new voices on this week, for the podcast because we've had such a good response to last week with Sophie. We've made it, we don't have so far this week, so we need to make it more interesting with just us two. Again, I think people hate that. It's just us two. Now, I've got imposter syndrome, Hayden. How you know? Wow, nobody cares. What about you? What about you, dude? Yeah, guess it, which is the perfect Sophie now? No one cares. I know, right? Right. It's it's like the double edged sword. There of getting an amazing guest on. It's like the people who look at this one this week and I just play. Yes, those two. Can't wait till then my own. Yeah, good job. We've got like a really quality guest again next week so people can continue to not care about us even more.

0:45 This is just going to slowly evolved into a podcast where people are who, who deny? But the person I like is actually on it this week, so I'll give it a listen. That's all right, for us, still gets that podcast money. Doesn't it as customers? I would love to clarified everyone. Maybe start listening later and stuff. We make absolutely no money. It's okay that I didn't. The problem is, you're stuck in the past. I'm thinking of are seeing, you know, in two years time when we look back at this episode, we're making podcasts. Money. Cool. Yeah. Get like a tenor and get, I don't know what's it called. You is saying. YouTube skillshare sponsored by skillshare going to skillshare. Now, put in the code, she sleep. Repeat hard to get to four percent off. Sponsored by brilliant dog. Just for context.

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2:14 Nice one anyway. If the podcast suddenly stops, you know it's because we're making that big YouTube money, we've only if anyway, we're here again, it's another week. Just a quick reflection on last week I had Had so many messages which Jokes Aside was so nice to hear from people who said Sophie was just so lovely. And one of the, one of the best messages I got was from a fellow teacher. Obviously, if you're in the education world, you may have heard of Sophie because she does have quite a presence online and it's quite helpful. But my favorite was from someone who said I loved, I loved episode of Sophie and you know what? She was just as lovely as I thought she was online. I was like, yes, that is exactly the way to sum up that kind of person who's just so amazing and over the top. Nice and in such a lovely way.

3:02 And then the idea of we sat and spoke to her, probably like an hour and a half and RN wasn't in total and every single interaction with her. We had she was just the nicest person. So really positive experience, I thought for our first guest I thought was brilliant although she is still finding it really awkward by the way, she messaged me yesterday and said still funny. It really awkward that people are like commented on what she said in the podcast. She's just like, this is cringe. We used to it now but she'll get used to it. She'll be on TV in a timely. Used to it exactly. Well actually I think that she had a Worried about that. But maybe when she had her second podcast, she had something to she did, allude to it too much. I think she was very much waiting. I'll wait and see when we're on next on the bottom. But yeah, we have already recorded our next interview with someone. We want to say who right now, but that's kind of next week. So very exciting but Hayden, we've digressed are. I guess, because we wanted to reflect on last week and the other viewers like to know.

3:51 They want to know the viewers. Love to know because they're a bit weird. They like to watch a sit in a chair now, so they definitely want to know the listeners less. So, but how was your week, pal? I had to know why it's been a couple of weeks. Really hasn't it. Since we've actually reflected. It's been a, it's been a weird one because I got covid for the first time finally, thank God. And in the nicest way possible, because you are guys won't believe how much this guy went on. About our do read covid. I've never expect you to say. It's a conspiracy of lever, right? Nice. Not that far, but I was a bit bummed out because I'm, you know, I felt like I was one of the last remaining few that hadn't got it at school but I've had it now. It was really annoying. Actually coughed for two weeks, straight really frustrating and I my eyes went red. So I was good fun.

4:36 But that low back to the podcast, I did go to a writing moderation. The other day for your six and when I went into the moderation, I sat down next to a familiar face. Not someone. I know. Well, but someone, you know, have had interactions with in the past they're like, oh, they were a bit surprised and said I've listened to all of your all of your podcast episodes, so that was really nice. So, cheers, Helena has lovely, cheers. Keep it up. Just gonna say this is watched Listen to make sure that she after sitting next to me she decided she wasn't gonna listen to anymore podcast episodes and isomer complete fraud. Okay, thank you. Wow, appreciate that. Have you noticed how that we've done the podcast? And we have the amazing power to edit that real life conversations go away their smoothly, I'm just a mess. I will stop.

5:19 Sorry, it ignore what I just said. I'll cut that out later and what I'm saying was oh, good times. But other than that, in terms of in school, I think. You're gonna like this one. It's a math game, obviously kids so my kids are obsessed, they're assessed with blow dart maths. They just want me to shoot them with my big meter stick and make their fault. They get there, they pretend they pretend to pass out. If they don't ask the question three seconds, but this time they were like, could you could you make it a farting stick instead of blow darts take I was like, no kids. This is ridiculous. You know, that'd be really mature. They were laughing at the idea of me like pretending to farts down It. Oh that.

6:00 Yeah, that's really, really immature. I mean, upload that one. Yeah, exactly. I was like, do you really think I like, I'm gonna like that embarrass myself. That much like potential farts down a meter stick. And like, instead of blowing that's already bad enough blowing down it, 10 seconds in I was find out. Stick. It was hilarious, pretending. Obviously just to make them laugh. All right, just so that's important, just to make them laugh. Really far without I could that be gross, but I did it one time as a joke, and they were like, that's so funny. So just wanted a mother so low. I've gone, these are the depths that we go to guys get our children Mighty, a wasn't it?

6:40 But he sure wasn't in the room. Oh no. No, of course not. Of course though, I didn't if any any one kind of wandered round you would very quickly, I'm sure pretend that you're measuring something, she came back. The next day, she was in my room that day, she had something else to do came in the next day. And the kids are like, we do that thing. It was. All right. Apparently in front of like that, I could do it. It's just me but that embarrass me in front of other adults. Come on. Oh dear. Oh dear. It's funny. You should mention times tables though because down in here for this week, is the multiplication times table. Check, that is going on. And therefore anyone unfamiliar with that, the government introduced it, I couldn't believe this, by the way, this was announced in like 2018, or like way before covariates long ago, but obviously, because of the trial run years and covid itself.

7:23 It didn't feel like it's really kicked in until last year, and I felt so we did it last year. We did it again this year. And I must say, just again for anyone who doesn't know. It's just a very simple check on the timetable is not a formal test. It's on the iPad. You get six seconds per question and they're completely random times table questions and they get 25 of them. And the score is recorded the school, get a copy of the score gets sent home to parents and the idea is that it's just a bit of accountability, I suppose 4 year, 5 and 6 because the government expect children in year for to be able to learn all their times tables, by the end of year for now. Of course, that doesn't always happen. Lots of children, do lots of children, don't and the times table checks just designed as a bit of accountability.

8:05 And I've got to say Hayden with a video of the first Army to sit here and and say, our and slate something that the government bringing us, they are they do in the classroom, what a load of rubbish. I actually think that this is one of the best better things that I've introduced and I think it's really useful. Then what your opinion is. Yeah, I don't see the downside of it. So I think the pressure is not really on because it's actively not, it's not doesn't on a league table, do you know? I mean it is literally for the school and they made up. Claire, this is for you to know where your kids are because the expectation is that they have learned these by the end of the year. So use the data as you will and let the parents know if they're behind or not. You know. I think it's a very good thing as well, to be honest of you. Yeah, and I think that's the important thing I as the teacher administrating, it felt that there was absolutely no pressure on the children.

8:48 Even those children who struggled with the 6 second time, time time, lapse. That's the biggest thing. I think that was going to cause the most problem because a lot of children, I teach kind of have learnt their times tables, they know strategies there. Kind of count up at least if they don't know the times table immediately but those those kind of its to kind of win out those strategies of. Well, do you have to still sit there and go 6, 12, 18 24, trying to get all the way up to six times, nine or can you very quickly work out, six times, ten and kind of work backwards? Do you have those strategies and I felt? That's where a lot of children will fall down in this test but I think there's no pressure there on me as the teacher and therefore, no pressure on me to pass on to the children. It is just simply where And I actually think it has been very successful week, actually? Yeah, nice.

9:33 Did you have any interesting stories about your week or just that one? And that's fine. Just that one that's actually fine. I was just no problem. I just wondered viewers and listeners time. Just just fine. That's fine. I've actually got an interesting one. This is really got to live up to the hype now because it's actually an average story. But, you know, if you triggered me a, what if I tell you something? That's I think something like we were doing any resistance day and it was all about starting off sentences with adverbials of time because we're doing next. Patient X and you know how to undo certain tasks and things and ideas. Firstly, the littler after a few minutes and then the idea of putting a comma and just make it, there we go. Please keep going. I'll get a taste of it but it it anyway it was about chickens very random all that chickens are laying there.

10:15 Are you got me one of my children? Yep, there we go. What about children, put their hand up and said we're talking about discussion about where where the comma should go in a sentence because it was something like, where the comic could go after the first word but actually The Clause carries on for a little bit, very technical speak for anyone at home. I can't think of the example right now. It was like, after comma, you could just carry on, but this was after a few days in an incubation comma and we were just discussing where that goes anyway. So, you know, you have a really deep conversation as a teacher in your shining draw out, you know, all this interesting questioning and these ideas from the children's. Okay. Yeah we're do. You think I might go here because that? Okay, interesting. They would ask any other ideas.

10:56 It could go there and some sentences, but why is it not going there in this one? What's going? On. Yes. And I pointed to one of my lat and he went, I've got something. What came first? The chicken or the egg. I know. I bet that completely distracted. Everyone right. Okay. Yeah, everyone's everyone's immediate likes the chicken and and he is it the way it was all quite interesting, but it seems like no one's ever heard this question before, I was thinking thinking, they what came first, the chicken or the egg, and I went just to say one to prompt him. I went chicken anyway. Nope, as if you had the answer, All right. Okay. Sorry you solve this question of. Yeah. And as you see I could that's okay. Well who laid the egg? No one right.

11:39 Where did it come from? I don't know if valve from a dinosaur or something that's okay but it completely Raja like that. Yeah that chain of evolution from you know amoeba fish. Dinosaur egg. Yeah, chicken. Hmm. Classic. Well, speaking of a give me a bit of a flashback to today because I was walking across the playground heading towards my classroom. And We heard some child in the distance behind me. Say look, it's Eggman. So and I thought, oh, I can't be bothered to deal with this coming. Father, I've seen my head, they've gone, it's Eggman, and I'm letting it. I'm letting it Fly, you know? Are they wrong though? That's what I thought. That's why, that's why I left it walked off.

12:21 Can't believe it. But little do you know that walking behind? You was literally egg - Humpty Dumpty. There's me as my ego talking. It also about me again. It's a classic on the wall. These kids are just obsessed with me. After I sat down at that moderation, I realize I was a famous podcasts are right next to me. Wasn't talking to me. Yeah, I know baby. It was mr. P. I've listened to all your pocket.

13:02 Anyway, that was him. That's why I hope that was just good for the lessons. It was for me because I follow I enjoyed that but I can imagine the other end that was boring. As we gotta keep this in Dylan, just bleep out the word. We don't swear on this podcast, guys. You have no idea why I said, you have no idea what was behind that bleep. Ladies and gentlemen, it starts with effort, it rhymes of chicken. Hmm. Anyway, I think we should swiftly move on before we get in trouble. That's funny. Right before we get into the meaty stuff of today's episode Dylan, I've got a really quick, toxic classroom. What are we call it?

13:50 Toxic from the way. It's plenty has been a while because you can't remember toxic thing. I think we just called it toxic store. I don't. What's the fans will know. Yeah, our fans, will ya your mate? From the pot you'll make from the moderation should know, she'll be selling text me, text me toxicity in schools. That's what I'm gonna call it right now, but oh, that's catchy. Catchy as our handles and if you want to check us out on social media, Dylan's gonna tell you right now where to find us, teach steep, repeat POD at gmail.com repeat podcast that histogram teach Sr pod, cast on Twitter. Yeah, and even know how are you going to find it? Anyway, toxic schools.

14:33 Yeah, classic. So you know what very quickly can I just say that is now our number one listen to podcast episode 5 is that when schools become toxic? Yeah. Because a lot of people resonated with a lot of people and here's another slice of the action. Hey, yeah, nice one. So it's recently after we had an extra half term and I saw this over half term and saved it for this episode. So this is what it says Anonymous post. Today's my partner's birthday, we plan to go out for the day. He's going out for the day but by himself because I just have too much work to do. I've already spent four full days is half-time, writing reports and planning. I've got an extra day. Now to do data analysis and some sort of project to do. And there's an insect later in the I've got to deliver training on a subject that I don't know anything about classic by the way.

15:19 So I've got to train myself and then design and deliver the training that I've got to do. I've got no extra release time for this whatsoever. Why do we have to do all this on our own time? I hate this. I feel like the worst person in the world. No point to this post, really just event and to the people who resigned this week, you made a good decision, you never miss a birthday or for important family occasion again. So, this person was rattled well annoyed and I don't blame him. They spent on Whole half term working like solid Days by looks a bit and then missed an important event. How's that make you feel? Yeah. I'm trying to you know, not that my blood pressure go through the roof in this podcast anymore. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to be more level-headed here and maybe come back with. Not, I completely sympathize with his person but like almost like a reports that say, what this is Jen I genuinely would love to know this. And I'm not saying that she is or he has made this up, but what on Earth was being planned for four whole days? In a row.

16:14 I think like a lot of time, I know I'm the same and so I try not to moan too much when this happens or say this, when it happens, it might take me, let's say, two days to get a History unit plan, right? Mmm. Or let's say, three days even. And that would mean that I start in the mundane if it gets finished in the Wednesday but by no means do, I spend eight hours each day constantly planning, if you know what I mean. Yeah. But I guess that it's a school. That isn't it because we've got we're aware a biggest school. If you think about someone like Sophie from last week, Imagine imagine you had history to do, which two days, but you also had geography and Science and re, and then masks and yeah, full from scratch. My point. Here, is my point here is that, you know, I might go for breakfast on the Monday, come back at 12, do two hours work, then was something else.

16:57 And I are doing our hours work later and it's actually three hours of work like it, but I've had managed to have a day apart from that. Now, if it's four solid days of planning, then I don't understand that whatsoever because he's like, just happening every half times, you're getting ahead for the whole time ahead. Can't sustain that for out the throughout every single week in time because you're literally at work. I've just saying II am interested to like dive deeper into these things because that sounds crazy. Like that's almost so crazy. That it's gone past the point where I'm like, well can you explain that? Because I can't even fathom that my did say for four days is half-time writing reports and planning to be fair. So I imagine a big bulk of that. Four days was report writing. I don't know. And you know what, as you know, while no Hayden, we're going to come onto this discussion in a lot more. A lot more deeply in our Our big chunk of this episode, but the, I think that term between tan five and six that half-time, for a lot of teachers point of view is completely written off like that.

17:53 There is, I don't know any teachers, really whoever plan to really do anything in that time because of the looming reports and and it takes up such a big time, big chunk of time in that kind of week off. Yeah, I would say in general it that is that it's crazy, it's frustrating, isn't it? When workload gets to that point and the reason I'm interested in Diving into more about the intricacies of that is because I want to find a solution. Well, we've said this before million times, haven't, even when someone comes to us with a problem, you know, sometimes they just want empathy and a shoulder to cry on maybe your lights or someone say. Oh, that must be difficult. Whereas I know, we're very much learning to do that, but my first thought is always, can I solve this problem? Okay, break it down for me. Exactly like what? What what on Earth is going on?

18:34 Where you've got to do that much work in your week off because it completely goes against what everyone says about teaching. Where you get all that time off was like, well, this person doesn't kinda missed. Johannah's birthday like it literally not gone out to do the events that you. The things you plan for that day. If your partner's birthday in a half term week like is the literal week. I've this post I think was on a Sunday by the way. So it was the last day of the half term. That was he just like, thinking? This is my last day. I have to get this work done, but I do know I don't about you, but I just maybe just says what about me? No way. I just wouldn't do it either. Like, cool, that works. Not getting done, then, don't care. Don't care. I'm going out for the day, it's my partner's birthday. I'm not missing it. So if someone knows about not getting there, Tough, I'll get another week like that's genuinely my attitude towards that, but maybe that's not the same everybody, I don't know, I don't know, I think there's like not even a middle ground, there's a ground way closer to what you are, which is where most people should be but I did I'd be interested in knowing the ins and outs of that because I want to know what had to be planned for four full days. I guess it's reports as well.

19:35 Like the saying it is frustrating, but I'm not going to my personal view on this and it's got against what I always say, I suppose and I think it probably Oops, that our school, we have an extra week off in this in this time and I can kind of say well that's extra to everyone because we are in sets together. I can justify spending a lot of time on work and that week because that makes more sense. I'm getting paid basically for those insect days but I think on the whole of the 13 weeks off that we get, I don't mind having to cordon off two or three weeks of that in total to be doing work person. I don't know. Yeah, I think that's the way one because I think I do, I think I do mind. I'm like, nah, I want I want all 13 weeks of them. I don't like the idea that in any capacity that is even remotely hinted at that.

20:28 The expectation of me working in those weeks off, I get it. Like I actually don't mind it. I know he's saying like I don't mind doing a couple of weeks but I don't agree with it if that makes sense. So what do you know? Because it is my opinion on this is really interesting. Now because finally finding something we might disagree about on and when it comes to holidays and it's built in that we get 13 weeks off, right? Yeah, but I think that's because that that is the reason why partly in a less like let's just say suspicious view of the establishment saying that we have to do work outside of our working hours, right? I think that's part of the balance there of that being in our contract of, okay, you know, you work 195 days a year and you have this Time from whenever director time, but you have to do some work outside of it, to to meet the standard of the job.

21:18 To me, that is a fair assumption. That will be using a fair chunk of that 13 weeks off to counterbalance that. I don't think it should be an unhealthy amount. And, and the problem comes, when there's no set amount. You know, some people might say 3/4, some people might say one quarter half, there's no set, healthy amount in there, but from my perspective, I'm willing to, to say some of those 13 weeks will be A put towards that part of that contract, that I agreed to think it becomes unhealthy, when it's the weekly grind doing work every single Sunday. Yeah. I think that, you know, that balance is really important and I think there is no balance, which is the problem, but I think doing some work and a significant chunk of work.

21:59 Outside of school is actually acceptable. I just think the scales gone way too far. Yeah, you kind of said my counter-arguments off towards the end of your point, really, which was literally just going to be. I do get that but the Reality is that, you know, what, whatever you said. So let's say we accept that maybe like three weeks of those 13 weeks is like an acceptable amount. It's like I'm already doing those three extra weeks in my free time on weekends and evenings with in term time anyway. So when it gets to the holidays, it's like cool. You already owe me those three weeks because I've literally done them on top of the director time. I was supposed to do. Anyway. So that's kind of why I'm just like. Now I want all 13 weeks. I think we worked out in the different episode, I can't, but the hours were I'm sure we worked out that the hours we do.

22:42 In with the whole 13 weeks off, it still adds up to around about if not a bit more than the average working hours of a job in a year anyway. And that was I can't remember we based it on I think if we based it on the assumption that we do do a few like hours on a weekend or whether we just did it on like a nine to follow now. So I wasn't. Yeah. The the fact was for anyone who missed the episode the amount of hours we put into the job just from doing the job. As in we get into school at 7:30, but we don't get into school at night. We can spot have 70. We leave at about five, add up all of those at times. All of those clubs, we might have to do all the parents evenings. We left out the whole planning so like planning wasn't wasn't in that time. So I need extra planning we do was on top of a full-time job and I think actually we agree on the on the basics here like I think that it's acceptable to do some work in that time, but I also completely agree that the fact we do so much work. Every single Will we get extra does kind of foster that environment.

23:41 Okay well where's this line in a broken line where this is acceptable? Yeah that's a bit because I think I agree in the summer holidays I think it's acceptable that I'll do a week of work in preparation before September because it's a brand new year. Of course I need. I course I need to be prepared. I can't go in day one with these new kids and know nothing about them, have nothing planned. So I do think it's acceptable that I do some work to do before that. I just don't think it's acceptable that I then work every weekend and evening in that term it's kind of like one of them needs to go and it should probably be the one that's impacting. Our son, like a daily. Has not the one where actually you had five weeks off to relax now. You're well ready to do some work that I get it? That's probably the one that should stay if anything because it is a lot of holiday. Yeah. Because again, if you think about it, it's it's almost it's six separate chunks of holiday, right?

24:23 If I got that wrong, or is it 7:00? You must be seven missing it. So, summer halftime one, Christmas half-term Easter half term and some arrogant no.6 summer, I guess 06:06. And if you think about a regular job, I bet most people don't get six chunks off. Work every week every year. Sorry so like for example the part of the overall point, I guess I'm making here is that when it comes to town 56 and we have this, you know need to do reports I think it's widely accepted that okay, that week, you know, bit of a write-off, get the report stunk at the planning done. But I've got six weeks at the end of this chunk and ends up being that you work for 1213 weeks in a row, which is a slog in teaching. We know that I completely agree with you, then you get five weeks off, you know, before you go ADI up week of work before you go back. Like you said, there's just a middle ground and we're nowhere near that middle ground.

25:11 Absolutely. And I completely sympathize with this person because I'm almost Playing devil's advocate here of suggesting that it's acceptable but it's acceptable in isolation. It's not acceptable in the reality of what we're doing. I completely agree. Yeah. And also that the my last point on this is just that and I always find is hard to grasp like I don't like this is just how unregulated the system is. I don't I don't like the fact that it is genuinely a gamble as to what school you end up getting a job in. As to how much of your life will just be taken up by it. That's so true. Like I don't work in that person's school-wide is. I didn't spend five days working over the half term got paid exactly the same though assuming that you know it's just pretend we're on the same page point in our scale. Cool, Lego you just what you just got. You just didn't get paid to do five days worth. I didn't do so bad luck.

25:57 Do let me know what part is. So ridiculous that that's just the state that it's in or bad luck, but you go to Tesco and then in like one store, you work twice the hours for the same money as an Other side is that it's not going to happen, like it's regulated completely. So that it's fair across the trade is fair. I'll come back on that really quick because we both worked in the supermarket and I completely agree with you but the there is always imbalances even in jobs like that because I worked as that and I very quickly realized that I could work as hard as possible, and get paid the same as someone who did nothing for their whole shift. And, and there was that there was there was that but imbalance in that job, as well as I wait, I'm breaking my back side here to get this like, you know, get these Cages out on the shop floor, someone's done, one cage, and the same time, it's going to chat with someone for an hour. We got the same pay packet at the end, you know. And that inequality kind of drives that resentment, doesn't it?

26:47 And that's where we're at were teaching right now. At least that's the same in quality every job. Yeah. But the point I'm making, I suppose, is that, I felt that resentment there as well in that. In that respect, I don't think that resentment for, you know, between people doing the same job is something that's exclusive to teaching. I just think it's a completely different environment where you know it affects You even more because like you said that's like, on the job, how hard you work in? This is like, cool. Do I need to literally plow extra hours in? And I think the one thing that's transformed for me a lot and you maybe could say your opinion on this afterwards is the hours and hours extra where it feels like, you're not getting paid like the, the option is okay.

27:28 I could not do this and it would just get done at another point or I could put three hours into this, you know, unit of work. Half an hour and and very and now I'm just like cool that turn off hours if I was paid, you know, if I'll pay had been kept up with, you know, the rate of it was 20 years ago, where it was like a livable wage for you and your partner, like you could actually raise a family on a teacher's salary. Now, you're scraping to buy a house still and it's just like cool. I'm not in the position where I feel like I want to accept that. So I'm not going to do it anymore. And, you know, it's a tough job and lots of people have tough jobs and lots of people on less money, but it's a relevant to me because I'm not cool.

28:10 Well, why should I put in that extra five hours a week? Am I a chump? Like it was nice when I passed? Yes, I'm a chump. Now, I find that people earlier in their career just in general, I'm just generalizing now, it's not always true but generally people earlier in their career in teaching do put the hard slog in, you know, they do they do the serious hours. I remember doing any. We both did it. We were exactly the same and I think I was in my first. First or second year and I spoke to my Deputy head of the time because I was just getting stressed. Like, I just literally, I couldn't keep up with the amount of work that I was putting myself under as well. And that's really important because I was trying to do everything at 110%, like, everything had to be incredible. All of my lessons took me two hours to plan a lesson. Everything I was marking was like, Mark to the nth degree. Every single like everything was just over the top and I was like, cool.

29:01 This is completely unmanageable. Like I don't understand how am I supposed to do this job? Like really well, which I want to do and I just broke down to my Deputy head of the time and and, and he was just like, yeah, just don't do it and he wasn't, he wasn't being like, Oh, yeah, it's don't do it. My whatever he was being really genuine and I was sort of like this, my Deputy head, like my someone, I expect to tell me to get everything done properly, and he's like, don't do it. And I was like, I need to get this done and this time I've got another all these Mass things to sort out as well. Now that I've been trapped, on top of me, and I've still got that the Mark, he's like, don't do it as I can't. Just not do. It was like he can and if someone really needs it, they'll email you then for it and then you can do it. I know another time I didn't really understand but it's all man, it changed my life really thinking about it resonated with me a lot over the years because I was like yeah but you know what is so true?

29:47 Everyone so urgent, everyone needs things, urgently done for them and everyone and meet, you know last-minute goes oh this needs to be done. Now you can you do this report for me? Because I've got this meeting tomorrow. No. We can do. Oh, this is so bad, but it's like. Yeah, cool. Okay, nice. It's a home power. Yeah, I agree. It's the power of prioritization and it's hilarious because we have mocked this like endlessly before and so I just go home. Yeah, well, I've got two markets on the policy I'll get into trouble otherwise. I think like what you're saying is is more of a mindset shift rather than an individual basis of well just don't mark it. Yeah, we're not saying not Somali. It's a very generic kind of like a - Mindful state to be in in the job, which is it's okay to not get everything done in the time frame that you self imposed on yourself and, and that kind of Self in position, you know, are you going to let some people down sometimes maybe, you know, in a certain respect because someone might need something from you.

30:48 We're okay, fair enough. But that means I need to work until eight tonight and I'm going to say no, because I'm going to put myself first before that person that person The fill that down may have not had something from you, but, you know, maybe next time that person will ask it from you, two days early, you know, give you a chance to do it or think about. Okay. I need this from this person. How can I get it from them about, you know, damaging their health in or, you know, their their mindset. And I think this is a really powerful thing for especially leaders to do and I know, we're not school leaders, you know, we leave the subject, we did a quick, we did Mass, right, but there's little things that I'm quite mindful of is not taking advantage. Vantage of the people who will say yes, in those situations. Because although we're very much of the mindset of I know, just don't do it.

31:35 We know, don't we Hayden a lot of teachers who are so lovely and put everything into this job still and will not say no and will impose work on themselves to deadlines, they've set themselves and end up working almost every evening because they want to get this done, want to get that done. And I think what leaders need to do is kind of Step In sometimes and say, look take a break, we're not going. Expect this from you. I'm actively saying don't do this thing that you've planned to do for two hours every night this week because you want to get it done by next week. Let's shift this target into next term have a break. I expect you to only get these things done, which then I think if leaders take the active step, I think people will be less anxious and feel like they've got to go over and above every single week at the detriment of their own stress and the hell, if I think that's a really powerful thing people can do, I know a lot of teachers right now who Who honestly work every evening of the week genuinely work, every single evening of the week, and usually half a day or a day of the weekend, as well. So, I really hope I really hope things. Get better for those people, and I do agree that it has to be top down.

32:41 It has to be not, everyone is going to be like, nah, I'm not doing it. My life is no one. Not everyone is going to be comfortable with knowing actively knowing that actually just gonna let someone down, it's like, yeah, you gave me this deadline but cool. You've I've got seven other jobs that you've also given me. Me. So I'm only doing three of them because that's all I can do in this time. So tough not. Everyone's going to have that confidence to do that so you know, leaders. Come on, we need to foster a better workplace for people to feel less anxious, less less overworked. Well, this this is your this kind of evolved into a little chat there, didn't it? And that felt really good. I think what we're going to do then because it leads perfectly on to a raging debate, in the minute.

33:23 Education-wise I think that we hadn't are going to play the little jingle and you're going to go get a cup of tea and the three seconds. So I'm going to say the same joke for six weeks in a row because that's our personality becomes s for something to get bored of it and then we'll replace it with something in a few weeks, you know, diagnosis as you will, but I'll see you again for seconds. In the last couple of weeks because of reports and the future job teaches have to produce them. There's been a bit of a raging debate because there's also been a huge development in technology and now Hayden we're talking about AR it, what does it say? I stand for in artificial intelligence, of course, I really hoped we'd like two seconds on the spot you thought of something funny.

34:06 But now you're right. Artificial intelligence. And anyone who has been online, I'm sure has In something about it. You know we've got Photoshop now has a I where you can generate the rest of a photo, it can fix it for you automatically. And the idea is that artificial intelligence is kind of The Next Step, isn't it in technology? It's something that learns by itself and kind of develops by itself and it's therefore quite controversial, especially because you may have seen in the news if you read for example on BBC online, there's been a few articles in the last few weeks of the founders of various AI systems, almost warning, the world. That this could get out of hand, you know, very quickly that these Bots learn exponentially they're going to become super intelligent super quick and they kind of were, you know, canvassing for a bit of a pause on the development of the technology as a whole.

34:57 Now that's a whole nother debate, whether you know, AI in general, is going to take over the world or not, but we're Hayden. I found something really interesting is an entire debate around report writing and different AI tools that we have. Available to us now. So Hayden do you want to kick us off and just kind of summarize what is the debate and you know what's the general consensus? But yeah sure so I would I would just clarify as well. The AI that we're talking about is essentially it is essentially a glorified and very very very good language model. That's what it is. It's really really good at producing pieces of text. So there's one that's been created the most part of popular teaching related one.

35:37 Right now I'm going to read out a little Anonymous post actually for you because this kind of summarizes the debate. Someone put this on in a Facebook group and obviously they put thoughts on a, i generated report comments. Dot dot dot. I've looked at teach may I from mr. P. And it looks fantastic. Had a very brief chat with my head teacher. And I've been told that it is both morally and ethically wrong to use AI for anything in school. This person has put, I personally do not agree with this as I see it as a way of saving valuable time. What are people's thoughts? Can you tell if a report has been written by a teacher or a? I, if it uses These prompts that are input by the teacher and that sparked a really, really big discussion.

36:17 And that's essentially captures. I think the debate in hand here is, is it acceptable to use AI to help you write reports? Yes, thanks for listening, guys. I'll catch you again now. I think, you know I'm no stranger to an opinion hen. I think that it is absolutely fine. I think that there is no problem morally or ethically. And I do think that someone imposing that view on someone else is being quite dramatic. And I think if the head had said that to me, if I'd gone in there, Asked about it.

36:59 Then first, I wouldn't have asked, I would have just made them and then they would never have known. And secondly, if they said, it's - oh cool. Okay. So do I get time to write these bespoke lie then and see what they say, I'd also ask them Hayden. Can I use a comment bank because very common. You, I had it in secondary school as well. I literally had a report once which had someone else's name in it where they copied in a comment and forgot to swap the name, very common strategy when it comes to writing reports. I think there's a whole host of reasons. But yeah, we did a poll that we hate it. Yes. So on a teaching. So you started by this does kind of two elements of this because I sort of jumped in afterwards as well because I wanted more information. So you did a poll. Basically saying, hey, everyone in this big teacher group is it is acceptable to use chat GPT which is a very popular AI language model at the moment to write reports and you did specify to be fair and you did say there will be specific inputs for the child from, from the teacher. But the A, I would generate the, like, actual paragraph for you and the data that we got from that, at least from when I last looked at it, was nine percent of people said, of course, it's okay to use a, I just flat.

38:09 Okay. 86 percent of people on your poll said, yes. But with editing / specific input for that for each child, which makes sense. I think that's what everyone's doing anyway. And then five percent of people was just put flat-out should not be used. So I I then wanted to get more information from these people. So I put a post up saying, Would anyone be interested like be available? So just chat basically, and let me know why you think it's not acceptable to use AI. Got this is hilarious because I feel like we're going back to Our Roots here. We're going back to episode 1 where we did a bit of role play strikes, because we both obviously thought striking was the right action to take, so we had to cut to make up these characters to be true.

38:50 So, I think, first thing I want to say before you carry on Hayden, is just point people in the direction of the fact that over 90% of people overwhelmingly. And there were over 400 votes in this, in this poll saying that they think it's acceptable to use as a tool which I'm glad of, but yay. I'm very interested to hear, then those people who are against AI, what they're kind of what their views were what their reasons. Why is to say not only is it not okay? Or not only will, I not use it, but I don't think anyone should use. I think that's quite a big jump then. Okay. Well, I've actually had a really nice conversation with someone who said they wouldn't mind if I sort of talked about this. So I'm just going to read off a little bit, like just paraphrase some of their answers. That's right.

39:31 And you can kind of maybe come back at them with your thoughts. So this person said they're really lovely by the way, really polite. And they said lo I know, I'm a bit with maybe I'm a bit of a dinosaur but I just this is just my opinion on things and and their overarching point really was in primary school. You know, we spend so much time with these children's on a like on a personal level in some cases like even more time than they do with their parents, in those sort of, you know, personal situations and and you see hundreds of personal anecdotes across the year and she fills, it is part of her job. It is part of her role to then kind of collate and share some of those Beautiful memories. Now that those that have happened across the year that their parents didn't get to be a part of with the parents via parents evenings, but also written reports and they will, they were really, really passionate about this idea that it should.

40:22 The comments should be super personal and include, you know, really little things of about that child than a, I would never be able to generate from any prompt because they're, you know, again because that anecdotes because their stories their moments that actually happened in the Year not just generic, like, did well in this. Can't do this. So that's the first point I want to make. Yeah, it's interesting because to me, I guess this comes down to a i as a generated. Prompt is as good as what you put into it. And I don't think that using AI is what some people see, as is like a, just get out of jail, free cards. Like you can just generate a report in three minutes because I absolutely don't think that's possible using AI, because you've got to be really specific. You've got to write individual prompts for every single child put in.

41:11 Six, seven, eight bullet points. One of them could be the anecdote. And what I found was really powerful was for the generic way of wording things so that you don't word it in the same way every single child. But behaves in a similar situation, I thought that, you know, chat GPT was a really good way of kind of generating new ways of getting things across in a very formal manner. That's property, you know, written in a way that's suitable for a report, but then once it's generated copying, it into word diving in and adding those anecdotes and Those little little tiny things in there without having to worry about how to word something and how for it to flow. I think they're two separate things. I don't necessarily think AI equals not personal.

41:52 I think the way you use it as a tool is going to be really important. I had another really really good counter argument that I'm going to come to in a minute. So I'm not going to show it, share it with you just yet but it was the only one really that maybe go all you know when something makes you doubt yourself a bit but just staying on the point that you were just mentioning familiar. I played around with specifically that teach may I because I saw it was Popular and I just wanted to see what it's all about. Obviously you've got chat GPT as well which is, you know, a free model to use and and I because obviously we were writing our report. So I had a play around with it as well just to see because my gut feeling was actually that it's not gonna be very good. I was thinking it's probably going to be like horribly and personal not written very well to the point where you have to edit it anyway and spend just as much time on it but I'll be honest I think it took me twenty five percent of the time as normal and I genuinely think my comments were better and I'll just read He's right. A point you made because I'm a human being under a time constraint I don't care how good your school is. You're always going to be under a time constraint for reports. It is natural that you're going to repeat the same comments and phrases for various children.

42:54 Once you've written a, you know, there's your writing the same report format 32 times, potentially, you're going to start using the same phrases. You just not going to think of 32, different ways where they, I was really good at creating unique sentences and paragraphs per child, based on my prompts. And I've actually I've Since then, I have put in some prompts to teach my eye and I've just made it up because I don't want to share a real rapport with you. But I would like to share with you a report that just before this podcast, I got the AI to write for you. And I'm going to tell you right now, neither of the other two examples, they both took less than 30 seconds to completely finish, right. And then we'll and then I'm going to make one final point after it's.

43:34 So what I'm going to do is I'm going to share with you what I wrote in to the AI and then I'm going to show you what came out the other end, okay? Okay. So this this will be interesting to see, like the amount you've input here because I think some people are worried and saying, Jesse's a lovely girl. Works hard. You know, could improve next year by just paying attention more and hoping that it comes out of 200 words at the. Don't think that's what happens. I'll show you. So, this one was a mass comments. I just made up a mass comment. Obviously, I used your name and all. I typed in the strength box, it doesn't have to be like, well, word, it is basically bullet points. You just type in your thoughts. I put in the strengths box, I put problem solving thinking, mathematically, longevity. A written calculations and methods was good at making 3D models.

44:16 I'll try to think of it like a maybe an actual thing that that that child was good at doing particular thing and needs Improvement. I put reading the time And I asked you to write me a really short on a 90. Word reports are just one paragraph and this is what he wrote and I haven't edited it. So you can you can give me your honest opinions. Dylan has displayed exceptional problem solving skills throughout the term and is able to think mathematically to arrive at practical Solutions. His longevity in the subject matter is impressive and he has excelled in written calculations and methods. Dylan has also demonstrated a flair for Creative for creating three-dimensional models, showcasing his create creativity in the process. However, it is noted that Dylan needs to work on reading the time.

44:56 As this has been an area of weakness for him. Overall, didn't has made significant progress, this term and has proven proven himself to be a diligent and dedicated student Yeah. I mean, so my initial reaction to that is there's nothing in there that you haven't personally written. There's nothing in there that the AI is magically made up about this child, where suddenly it's now an inaccurate report. It's a very useful report exactly what you put in. Just just composed in a way that's much more maybe formal than we could have written with less effort. I mean, for the time saved, are we really saying that it's important as teachers? That the adult knows that we composed it ourselves. We're signing off, and, what's going into the AI.

45:38 We're literally putting the exact stories in. You could've had a lovely story there, like that woman's woman or man said about the, you know, the individual stories from each person that could have been a lesson, you remember. And they made this unbelievable 3D model and went off and made their own there, and it's magic story. You want to share? And if you really wanted to share it, then cool for 30 seconds after that was generated. If you thought that wasn't personal enough, spend two minutes, writing a bit of an extension on that sentence. I agree. It's as personal as you want it to be. I don't think. The personable aspect of the report is an argument against it that I really accept, to be honest. Yeah, I completely agree. I was actually about to say that the beauty of the time-saving in that the fact that took me 30 seconds to get to that point means that now if I have taken notes because I'm one of those teachers that has taken notes and wants to get the anecdotes in, it will take me like a minute or two to put the anecdote in rather than 10 minutes to create the hot you know craft the whole paragraph myself weaving, the anecdote into a point a point which I feel is appropriate.

46:35 So I think People are missing a trick is what I want to say here. I think people are way too focused on these extreme ideas of. Well, it's either a you write this beautifully bespoke report that you could spend three hours writing per child, and it's the most amazing thing that anyone's ever read ever or be you could tell ai6 things that a child can do. And it will write this really generic impersonal thing for you. And it's like, what do you know what? Neither of those are really an acceptable reality. We cannot expect people to spend the time on making reports that this amazing as great as that would be objectively and equally anyone using AI. I'm sure is still in putting enough into the AI, that it's not a complete impersonal, like, piece of drivel, it's just saving them time and I'm not being funny.

47:20 Who do we think we are as teachers that we're going to be able to craft this unbelievably written black, beautiful paragraph. I'm sorry, it's not realistic. After three hours of sat there, right in. Do you think it's going to be something out of a beautiful novel? Like, there is honestly don't think that we could. Compose something better. As in better quality written in terms of grammatical and formality than that. AI Bots has. The only difference we can have is that individual flare of a specific. Bespoke story that we want to get across in the way that we remember it. Then go in and edit it afterwards. I think you're absolutely right. There's no extras. What's the point in being the extreme here. So interestingly took some to come back completely on. The first point you made there about who are we to create this paragraph? One of the points someone gave me on that thread that I put out there.

48:04 Was it? Literally she Said, it's insulting the idea that with like we're trained professionals. We've been at University for three years and write a degree level to think that we can't write these paragraphs ourselves and we have to rely on AI to do it for us. No, no, no, we don't rely, we don't rely on it. Like, I'm pretty sure I could sit there couldn't let this. It's not insulting, it's not insulting to say that a computer is more able to access synonyms faster than you is it insulting when we have to Google something when actually, oh well it's insulting suggest that I couldn't Go and find a book in the local library and find the answer. Well, no, of course you can. But it's called time-saving, it's not, it's not insult to suggest that Googling something is ridiculous.

48:44 It's part of the technological advances of the dime, we are intelligent teachers, who are good at pedagogy or favorite word is, I'm sorry. But when did the biggest part of our job become composing amazing scent paragraphs to send to parents like, of course, we know how to do it. I know how to do percentages. I don't not use a calculator. Hmm. Is it wrong to use a calculator? How insulting I've got a master's degree in? You want me to put it into a calculator? Yes, because it's quicker. I think I agree and my kind of counter-argument to that person and I do get what they're saying that. I just don't think they're looking at. If the right perspective, I think they're I think they're not realizing that the reason people are using AI is to save time, not because we can't.

49:24 Right? That's, that's the wrong, the wrong thing there, because if that's what they thought, I would say to them. Cool. I hope you've never downloaded a PowerPoint for twinkle. I hope you've naturally never taken a lesson slide. From anybody else, because it's insulting to think you couldn't make them yourself. This type of course I can make them myself but I don't want to sit there for three hours and make slides about Charles Darwin. When there's some already made, I'm just going to grab them and edit the bits. I need exactly the same process is what I think we should do these reports. I'm gonna get the bulk of it. Done to save my time, and I'm going to edit things in, right. Dylan, are you ready to be triggered? I'm ready, I'm ready to be not do trick. No, no, I'm not. Because I'm calm and I'm a changed, man. This, it's called the balance of Dylan Hayden.

50:07 So by triggered. Okay, I'll change it out by tricking. I meant ready to be triggered into a conversation. Not, you know, triggerman not triggered. Mad, I listen, I love debating things and I think I'm very black and white sometimes know. I think sometimes I rub people up the wrong way, I'm not surprised. I'm not trying to, I would be happy for someone to be as blunt back to me. I'm just very interested. So, it's A comment but don't but don't but don't question me about you heard it here. First, this was someone's comment and it was the first one that made me for a moment. Go all but then I did have a thought myself, but I reckon you will have some interesting thoughts on this. Someone said I'm going to skip kind of the gunk really than get to the point. They just said, would you be happy for the report to be signed off with your name and also augmented by AI or written with the it's of a, I would you be happy for that to be at the bottom of the report? And then their point was if you if you wouldn't then shouldn't that be a cause for you?

51:07 No concern. Shouldn't that be? It shouldn't be a reason that you deep down you know it's not right to be using AI. I think that's only a concern for someone who cares about this kind of thing I do. I think that's a concern for someone who is actively against AI. I don't think that's like a moral level for everyone in the planet. Like, do we need to know if something wasn't completely human made every single opportunity that we have. I don't think we do. You know, when we submit our accounts to like to the government? Do we have to put augmented by QuickBooks at the bottom? I mean, I maybe we do. I don't think we do though. I don't think no one cares because they've just been, you know, If signed them off, you know it, okay, cool.

51:48 The computer helped us on this process, you know, the thesaurus on word helps me to write my book. Mmm. The grammar check on grammarly, helped me to make sure my essay was written, you know, succinctly, do I wrote it off at the end though and I said, cool, whatever this is. Yep. I'm going to put my name to that because I accept everything that's been written. Do you think that all politicians, write their own speeches? You know? Imagine a really powerful speech that if, you know, their teams put together for Them that they signed off because it's everything they agree with. They deliver it amazing. The crowd of cheering at the end, brought to you by and then put 15 names of people who wrote it. It does don't. I don't think that that's necessary.

52:28 I don't think that's like the winning argument that maybe it's being described as and as a point to begin with. If someone was insistent that, I put what I helped me, write it then. I put it on there, I'm not even against that. Yeah, that's fair enough. I think it's I think it's a really loaded question. I think it's not as very cleverly crafted questions that is Completely completely and utterly irrelevant. And I was trying to think of like some other examples of the same sort of thing and out analogies of the same thing, and it's like, it's literally the same as to me is someone saying, oh, if you taught a lesson and and and it wasn't planned by you, would you be happy to go outside at the end of the day? Tap it all of the parents on the head and tell them this lesson wasn't planned by me. Is that what course? I wouldn't, of course, I wouldn't want to do that, but that's not why. I like that's not why.

53:11 I don't think they should use the lessons. That's just an irrelevant thing I have. Course I was embarrassed but because on the reports I was never putting who did or didn't write it anyway. So why did I do this extra thing? Anyway, of course, I don't want another Angela. This is exactly what I meant. What I said, I think it's only relevant people who don't like AI, but there were two think that's a thing to ask because with, I'd be very interested, maybe they, maybe they have this kind of thing for everything. Maybe they do every lesson. Say this was their son was brought to you by twinkle. I didn't handcraft this lesson, but I looked at it and I accepted that it was good for what I want to deliver today. And then I delivered, it is, you know, Is it? I just don't think it's a fair question to ask. Someone would you do this?

53:52 Well the answer is yes. I mean I would tell a parent now. I've got a lesson off the internet if you really wanted me to. Yeah. But what's the point? Yeah. But all it does is open them up to an interpretation of the thing you're telling them that might be wrong and that's the problem. So true, the only reason I wouldn't actually like to tell a parent I got this in twinkle is because they might then come to a conclusion that for some reason that was a terrible thing and then it just opened up a can of worms. I don't want to get into And it's the same with this report thing AI is really new right now and quite clearly it's a bit controversial and even more clearly. People don't understand how it works. You know that headteacher going back to that original post. It says, it's immoral and ethically, wrong to use it. It's like, do you do they know it's just a language model and all it's doing is just speeding up.

54:32 You writing a paragraph? Like do they understand that? Because if they did, I don't think they'd have that opinion so clearly they don't understand it. So I don't want to tell pair, I wouldn't want to tell parents that it's had all supported by AI because they'll probably some parents that don't Moray is and think it's a terrible thing for me to do. And then I've got to explain to them all of this, listen to the podcast. This is great that we just send this link, but, you know, equally I must say, I do. Like I do understand it because there are like I said at the start in general with AI there are huge red flags at the minute of, you know, the people who literally developed it saying, you know, it could be a harm to humanity in the long run. And to those people, I just say, well, you know, if it's going to kill us at least, I could do my reports further. Exactly.

55:14 Exactly. God's sake. We need a very serious conversation. I have a question though. I've gotta continue this for a second because it put it. I said cool, I'm sorry of the factual for your permission. So my question is this because this is where I think you know I'm presenting we're presenting ourselves here as the voices of reason but I do think maybe I am maybe too far on the other end of this spectrum and this question will kind of expose that? Do you think? And that if given adequate time to fully write the reports that so that you spend no extra time whatsoever doing them but the caveat was you have to write them bespoke. The individually from scratch for every single child but you're given every single minute you need to do that. So there's no loss of time there. Would you still rather do it with AI? Oh, that's so tricky.

56:15 Because what you're doing to be right here. Now is basically trying to make me make me weigh up the pros and cons of AI in my head. Ready because part of me, right? I'm gonna say both answers are going to cop out here a little bit. Part of me is saying, no, as in, I come up with a question was now. So what no question was, would you still want to use AI given that situation of time is not a factor now, it's not stressed teachers like oh I can't do it. My own. Time time is not a factor would you still want to do? And it really quickly. As I say no first because I think if I had all the time then I'm probably am going to create what that person that was talking to me is what was talking about, which is a beautifully personal comment, that maybe parents would appreciate a bit more than anything. I could have ever created with a. I even, if I just edited a few.

56:56 In fact, the whole thing myself, it really, truly is a complete 100% personal reflection from me, from my brain, my writing style, to that parent, about their child. I think that's great. And I think there is something love. Out that and I don't think she's wrong in saying that, that is an amazing thing to do for parents. The other part of me still though, it's still and I think yeah, AI is still got a place here because it's still a really good way of mixing up the way you write things, because whether you like to think you're not, you're going to write the same sort of stuff and it's a really long process. It's very, very exhausting writing or attach it. Do you think so? It's boring after a while because I, I'm, as I'm as enthusiastic as you and I really truly am about writing. A really nice report for these kids because I love them and you know, spend so much time with them. I just think that can be achieved with a i and what I mean is when I'm writing it for hours on end like literally like after 4 hours it I lose that buzz. And I know my reports are getting worse because I'm knackered and I am like, oh God I'm sorry kid like this is going to be a very generic one because I just don't have the energy to put that in mind space in I think AI solves that and makes it better like That's the reason I'm very passionate but II. I think like you that the reports are better for everyone the second half of the register aren't going to Raw Deal anymore.

58:16 Yeah, I agree. And I'm going to say right now and I know we talked about it, talked about it between us when I was actually writing my reports. And at the time, I remember saying to you, I don't think they're quite as good as if I had written them completely myself but I've changed my mind because since then what I've done is I've gone back in and I've just read through them again and I've actually just edited a couple of little things because I felt So bad, that their baby wasn't enough, anecdotes enough, like actual personal stories in and I've realized that at the end of this, not only are they considerably better than any report I've ever written before completely and utterly unique for every single child. They also, it took me less than half the time. I've ever spent writing reports even including that extra me going back in and editing in some stories and it's like okay they've actually ended up being. I'm a complete Advocate.

59:01 Now for doing this I'm actually going to do this every single year because they're literally better than any report I've ever written and let's be To be honest. Now because this is the time to out myself and every other teacher is that I don't think there are many teachers who can honestly put their hand on their heart and say, they open up a brand new word document every single year from scratch and write every single comment. No way. Okay, I'm calling you out right now. We'd know you don't know you don't you open other you open up last year's and you match up some kids that are similar. If you can, you open up the year before and you get your comment bank that you use that you made one year because you were trying to Save yourself some time, and you've written five different comments for re and you copy one, any change the name, you know, people do that. They just do, I've done it loads of times because it is, you have your perfect because it's impossible is just impossible because the end of the day, we don't live in that perfect world that you're talking about.

59:57 We don't have all the time in the world to do. We have our half-term break to do it so it's gotta get done one way or another. So there we are. Brilliant. I love that. Love that chat. And as always, we're right? Okay. That was a joke. A little quicker at the end. I know we're not always right, I get it. Okay. But that was a great chat. I really love that because you know what we always do. A did we kind of go down that rabbit hole? Don't we are thinking. Well, this is obviously the correct answer and just opening up those views from other. People have said and you know, slowly dismantling them and proving them wrong. It feels good. You know what Dylan night. I just realized I spoke a lot for once.

1:00:37 It wasn't you dominating the conversation. I never really asked you for your kind of final appeal Opinion on it. So what is your kind of? What's your takeaway point from this chat? What do you think about? Well, I thought so I will just first he say and I think you know, I said last week I've got a few comments that I just, you know, talk over you interrupt you but here's the thing, I'm always learning. The point is, I don't want people to know this because it is the way it's been because Hayden specifically, when we start this podcast said to me. Well, you're in charge pal. Yeah, you lead it. You lead this podcast. So, Usually one who's trying to push is on to other stuff and, you know, and I love the sound of my own voice bit like I'm doing now. So, the point I'm going to make it. This was the first ever podcast where I hadn't prepared anything.

1:01:24 I had prepared nut. I've usually got a document up. If you watch the video, you'll sometimes see my eyes scanning but with some forward, because I'm usually reading something or trying to get some information. Because I know what the next point is going to be a wet work trying to structure this conversation and Hayden's just here for the ride. But I feel like I was here for the ride to, they're quite enjoyed that. I quite enjoyed it as well as the first taste of power I've got in our relationship, so it was nice. Yeah. Okay. Stop talking, we're going to wrap it up there but just a quick one from us, guys. We had our biggest ever week of listeners. Thanks to Sophie and her influence and her amazing input. So we want to keep it growing and the best way for you to help us do that. And the best way for you to help us get more guests in the future is ratings.

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