Ep 18: Should Teachers Use AI When Writing Reports?

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of teach sleep.
Repeat, my name is Dylan and my

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name is Hayden.
We got our new voices on this

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week, for the podcast because
we've had such a good response

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to last week with Sophie.
We've made it, we don't have so

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far this week, so we need to
make it more interesting with

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just us two.
Again, I think people hate that.

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It's just us two.
Now, I've got imposter syndrome,

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Hayden.
How you know?

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Wow, nobody cares.
What about you?

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What about you, dude?
Yeah, guess it, which is the

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perfect Sophie now?
No one cares.

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I know, right?
Right.

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It's it's like the double edged
sword.

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There of getting an amazing
guest on.

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It's like the people who look at
this one this week and I just

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play.
Yes, those two.

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Can't wait till then my own.
Yeah, good job.

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We've got like a really quality
guest again next week so people

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can continue to not care about
us even more.

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This is just going to slowly
evolved into a podcast where

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people are who, who deny?
But the person I like is

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actually on it this week, so
I'll give it a listen.

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That's all right, for us, still
gets that podcast money.

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Doesn't it as customers?
I would love to clarified

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everyone.
Maybe start listening later and

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stuff.
We make absolutely no money.

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It's okay that I didn't.
The problem is, you're stuck in

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the past.
I'm thinking of are seeing, you

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know, in two years time when we
look back at this episode, we're

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making podcasts.
Money.

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Cool.
Yeah.

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Get like a tenor and get, I
don't know what's it called.

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You is saying.
YouTube skillshare sponsored by

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skillshare going to skillshare.
Now, put in the code, she sleep.

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Repeat hard to get to four
percent off.

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Sponsored by brilliant dog.
Just for context.

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I actually got our first email
asking us for a sponsorship.

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Not the podcast on another of
our endeavors with our tutoring

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and it was brilliant and we just
ignored it for two.

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We know nothing about prior to
that.

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I reply to them and they replied
today you know, wanting to

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explore this option, a bit more
and sponsor our channel.

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So but I think you're going to
be right there.

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Yeah, what you think.
But I reckon like, is in my head

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I'm like, oh, they're gonna give
us like hundreds of pounds to

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make some videos and I'd like to
mention them in as Sponsor and I

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think you're right they're going
to be like here's free access to

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our website for a month that's
like we get it's gonna be

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running.
Nash modern-day sponsorship,

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they see gentlemen, huge huge
corporations, preying on the

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small hope that they do.
So the leg work for them.

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Nice one anyway.
If the podcast suddenly stops,

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you know it's because we're
making that big YouTube money,

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we've only if anyway, we're here
again, it's another week.

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Just a quick reflection on last
week I had Had so many messages

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which Jokes Aside was so nice to
hear from people who said Sophie

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was just so lovely.
And one of the, one of the best

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messages I got was from a fellow
teacher.

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Obviously, if you're in the
education world, you may have

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heard of Sophie because she does
have quite a presence online and

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it's quite helpful.
But my favorite was from someone

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who said I loved, I loved
episode of Sophie and you know

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what?
She was just as lovely as I

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thought she was online.
I was like, yes, that is exactly

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the way to sum up that kind of
person who's just so amazing and

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over the top.
Nice and in such a lovely way.

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And then the idea of we sat and
spoke to her, probably like an

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hour and a half and RN wasn't in
total and every single

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interaction with her.
We had she was just the nicest

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person.
So really positive experience, I

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thought for our first guest I
thought was brilliant although

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she is still finding it really
awkward by the way, she messaged

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me yesterday and said still
funny.

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It really awkward that people
are like commented on what she

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said in the podcast.
She's just like, this is cringe.

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We used to it now but she'll get
used to it.

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She'll be on TV in a timely.
Used to it exactly.

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Well actually I think that she
had a Worried about that.

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But maybe when she had her
second podcast, she had

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something to she did, allude to
it too much.

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I think she was very much
waiting.

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I'll wait and see when we're on
next on the bottom.

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But yeah, we have already
recorded our next interview with

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someone.
We want to say who right now,

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but that's kind of next week.
So very exciting but Hayden,

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we've digressed are.
I guess, because we wanted to

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reflect on last week and the
other viewers like to know.

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They want to know the viewers.
Love to know because they're a

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bit weird.
They like to watch a sit in a

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chair now, so they definitely
want to know the listeners less.

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So, but how was your week, pal?
I had to know why it's been a

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couple of weeks.
Really hasn't it.

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Since we've actually reflected.
It's been a, it's been a weird

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one because I got covid for the
first time finally, thank God.

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And in the nicest way possible,
because you are guys won't

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believe how much this guy went
on.

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About our do read covid.
I've never expect you to say.

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It's a conspiracy of lever,
right?

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Nice.
Not that far, but I was a bit

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bummed out because I'm, you
know, I felt like I was one of

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the last remaining few that
hadn't got it at school but I've

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had it now.
It was really annoying.

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Actually coughed for two weeks,
straight really frustrating and

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I my eyes went red.
So I was good fun.

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But that low back to the
podcast, I did go to a writing

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moderation.
The other day for your six and

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when I went into the moderation,
I sat down next to a familiar

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face.
Not someone.

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I know.
Well, but someone, you know,

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have had interactions with in
the past they're like, oh, they

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were a bit surprised and said
I've listened to all of your all

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of your podcast episodes, so
that was really nice.

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So, cheers, Helena has lovely,
cheers.

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Keep it up.
Just gonna say this is watched

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Listen to make sure that she
after sitting next to me she

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decided she wasn't gonna listen
to anymore podcast episodes and

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isomer complete fraud.
Okay, thank you.

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Wow, appreciate that.
Have you noticed how that we've

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done the podcast?
And we have the amazing power to

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edit that real life
conversations go away their

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smoothly, I'm just a mess.
I will stop.

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Sorry, it ignore what I just
said.

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I'll cut that out later and what
I'm saying was oh, good times.

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But other than that, in terms of
in school, I think.

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You're gonna like this one.
It's a math game, obviously kids

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so my kids are obsessed, they're
assessed with blow dart maths.

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They just want me to shoot them
with my big meter stick and make

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their fault.
They get there, they pretend

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they pretend to pass out.
If they don't ask the question

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three seconds, but this time
they were like, could you could

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you make it a farting stick
instead of blow darts take I was

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like, no kids.
This is ridiculous.

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You know, that'd be really
mature.

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They were laughing at the idea
of me like pretending to farts

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down It.
Oh that.

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Yeah, that's really, really
immature.

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I mean, upload that one.
Yeah, exactly.

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I was like, do you really think
I like, I'm gonna like that

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embarrass myself.
That much like potential farts

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down a meter stick.
And like, instead of blowing

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that's already bad enough
blowing down it, 10 seconds in I

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was find out.
Stick.

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It was hilarious, pretending.
Obviously just to make them

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laugh.
All right, just so that's

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important, just to make them
laugh.

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Really far without I could that
be gross, but I did it one time

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as a joke, and they were like,
that's so funny.

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So just wanted a mother so low.
I've gone, these are the depths

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that we go to guys get our
children Mighty, a wasn't it?

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But he sure wasn't in the room.
Oh no.

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No, of course not.
Of course though, I didn't if

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any any one kind of wandered
round you would very quickly,

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I'm sure pretend that you're
measuring something, she came

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back.
The next day, she was in my room

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that day, she had something else
to do came in the next day.

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And the kids are like, we do
that thing.

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It was.
All right.

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Apparently in front of like
that, I could do it.

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It's just me but that embarrass
me in front of other adults.

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Come on.
Oh dear.

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Oh dear.
It's funny.

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You should mention times tables
though because down in here for

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this week, is the multiplication
times table.

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Check, that is going on.
And therefore anyone unfamiliar

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with that, the government
introduced it, I couldn't

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believe this, by the way, this
was announced in like 2018, or

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like way before covariates long
ago, but obviously, because of

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the trial run years and covid
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It didn't feel like it's really
kicked in until last year, and I

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felt so we did it last year.
We did it again this year.

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And I must say, just again for
anyone who doesn't know.

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It's just a very simple check on
the timetable is not a formal

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test.
It's on the iPad.

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You get six seconds per question
and they're completely random

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times table questions and they
get 25 of them.

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And the score is recorded the
school, get a copy of the score

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gets sent home to parents and
the idea is that it's just a bit

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of accountability, I suppose 4
year, 5 and 6 because the

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government expect children in
year for to be able to learn all

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their times tables, by the end
of year for now.

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Of course, that doesn't always
happen.

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Lots of children, do lots of
children, don't and the times

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table checks just designed as a
bit of accountability.

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And I've got to say Hayden with
a video of the first Army to sit

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here and and say, our and slate
something that the government

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bringing us, they are they do in
the classroom, what a load of

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rubbish.
I actually think that this is

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one of the best better things
that I've introduced and I think

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it's really useful.
Then what your opinion is.

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Yeah, I don't see the downside
of it.

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So I think the pressure is not
really on because it's actively

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not, it's not doesn't on a
league table, do you know?

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I mean it is literally for the
school and they made up.

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Claire, this is for you to know
where your kids are because the

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expectation is that they have
learned these by the end of the

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year.
So use the data as you will and

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let the parents know if they're
behind or not.

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You know.
I think it's a very good thing

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as well, to be honest of you.
Yeah, and I think that's the

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important thing I as the teacher
administrating, it felt that

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there was absolutely no pressure
on the children.

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Even those children who
struggled with the 6 second

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time, time time, lapse.
That's the biggest thing.

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I think that was going to cause
the most problem because a lot

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of children, I teach kind of
have learnt their times tables,

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they know strategies there.
Kind of count up at least if

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they don't know the times table
immediately but those those kind

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of its to kind of win out those
strategies of.

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Well, do you have to still sit
there and go 6, 12, 18 24,

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trying to get all the way up to
six times, nine or can you very

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quickly work out, six times, ten
and kind of work backwards?

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Do you have those strategies and
I felt?

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That's where a lot of children
will fall down in this test but

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I think there's no pressure
there on me as the teacher and

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therefore, no pressure on me to
pass on to the children.

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It is just simply where And I
actually think it has been very

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successful week, actually?
Yeah, nice.

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Did you have any interesting
stories about your week or just

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that one?
And that's fine.

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Just that one that's actually
fine.

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I was just no problem.
I just wondered viewers and

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listeners time.
Just just fine.

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That's fine.
I've actually got an interesting

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one.
This is really got to live up to

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the hype now because it's
actually an average story.

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But, you know, if you triggered
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something?
That's I think something like we

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were doing any resistance day
and it was all about starting

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off sentences with adverbials of
time because we're doing next.

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Patient X and you know how to
undo certain tasks and things

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and ideas.
Firstly, the littler after a few

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minutes and then the idea of
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it, there we go.
Please keep going.

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I'll get a taste of it but it it
anyway it was about chickens

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very random all that chickens
are laying there.

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Are you got me one of my
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Yep, there we go.
What about children, put their

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hand up and said we're talking
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where the comma should go in a
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something like, where the comic
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but actually The Clause carries
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technical speak for anyone at
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I can't think of the example
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It was like, after comma, you
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was after a few days in an
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just discussing where that goes
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So, you know, you have a really
deep conversation as a teacher

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in your shining draw out, you
know, all this interesting

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questioning and these ideas from
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Okay.
Yeah we're do.

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You think I might go here
because that?

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Okay, interesting.
They would ask any other ideas.

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It could go there and some
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going there in this one?
What's going?

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On.
Yes.

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And I pointed to one of my lat
and he went, I've got something.

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What came first?
The chicken or the egg.

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I know.
I bet that completely

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distracted.
Everyone right.

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Okay.
Yeah, everyone's everyone's

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immediate likes the chicken and
and he is it the way it was all

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quite interesting, but it seems
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question before, I was thinking
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the chicken or the egg, and I
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him.
I went chicken anyway.

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Nope, as if you had the answer,
All right.

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Okay.
Sorry you solve this question

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of.
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And as you see I could that's
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Well who laid the egg?
No one right.

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Where did it come from?
I don't know if valve from a

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dinosaur or something that's
okay but it completely Raja like

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that.
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from you know amoeba fish.
Dinosaur egg.

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Yeah, chicken.
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Classic.
Well, speaking of a give me a

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bit of a flashback to today
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playground heading towards my
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And We heard some child in the
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Say look, it's Eggman.
So and I thought, oh, I can't be

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bothered to deal with this
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Father, I've seen my head,
they've gone, it's Eggman, and

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I'm letting it.
I'm letting it Fly, you know?

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Are they wrong though?
That's what I thought.

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That's why, that's why I left it
walked off.

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Can't believe it.
But little do you know that

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walking behind?
You was literally egg - Humpty

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Dumpty.
There's me as my ego talking.

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It also about me again.
It's a classic on the wall.

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These kids are just obsessed
with me.

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After I sat down at that
moderation, I realize I was a

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famous podcasts are right next
to me.

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Wasn't talking to me.
Yeah, I know baby.

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It was mr.
P.

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I've listened to all your
pocket.

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Anyway, that was him.
That's why I hope that was just

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good for the lessons.
It was for me because I follow I

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enjoyed that but I can imagine
the other end that was boring.

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As we gotta keep this in Dylan,
just bleep out the word.

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We don't swear on this podcast,
guys.

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You have no idea why I said, you
have no idea what was behind

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that bleep.
Ladies and gentlemen, it starts

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with effort, it rhymes of
chicken.

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Hmm.
Anyway, I think we should

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swiftly move on before we get in
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That's funny.
Right before we get into the

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meaty stuff of today's episode
Dylan, I've got a really quick,

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toxic classroom.
What are we call it?

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Toxic from the way.
It's plenty has been a while

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because you can't remember toxic
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I think we just called it toxic
store.

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I don't.
What's the fans will know.

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Yeah, our fans, will ya your
mate?

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From the pot you'll make from
the moderation should know,

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she'll be selling text me, text
me toxicity in schools.

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That's what I'm gonna call it
right now, but oh, that's

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catchy.
Catchy as our handles and if you

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want to check us out on social
media, Dylan's gonna tell you

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right now where to find us,
teach steep, repeat POD at

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gmail.com repeat podcast that
histogram teach Sr pod, cast on

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Twitter.
Yeah, and even know how are you

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going to find it?
Anyway, toxic schools.

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Yeah, classic.
So you know what very quickly

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can I just say that is now our
number one listen to podcast

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episode 5 is that when schools
become toxic?

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Yeah.
Because a lot of people

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resonated with a lot of people
and here's another slice of the

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action.
Hey, yeah, nice one.

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So it's recently after we had an
extra half term and I saw this

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over half term and saved it for
this episode.

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So this is what it says
Anonymous post.

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Today's my partner's birthday,
we plan to go out for the day.

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He's going out for the day but
by himself because I just have

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too much work to do.
I've already spent four full

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days is half-time, writing
reports and planning.

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I've got an extra day.
Now to do data analysis and some

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sort of project to do.
And there's an insect later in

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the I've got to deliver training
on a subject that I don't know

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anything about classic by the
way.

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So I've got to train myself and
then design and deliver the

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training that I've got to do.
I've got no extra release time

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for this whatsoever.
Why do we have to do all this on

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our own time?
I hate this.

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I feel like the worst person in
the world.

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No point to this post, really
just event and to the people who

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resigned this week, you made a
good decision, you never miss a

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birthday or for important family
occasion again.

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So, this person was rattled well
annoyed and I don't blame him.

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They spent on Whole half term
working like solid Days by looks

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a bit and then missed an
important event.

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How's that make you feel?
Yeah.

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I'm trying to you know, not that
my blood pressure go through the

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roof in this podcast anymore.
I'm gonna I'm gonna try to be

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more level-headed here and maybe
come back with.

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Not, I completely sympathize
with his person but like almost

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like a reports that say, what
this is Jen I genuinely would

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love to know this.
And I'm not saying that she is

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or he has made this up, but what
on Earth was being planned for

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four whole days?
In a row.

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I think like a lot of time, I
know I'm the same and so I try

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not to moan too much when this
happens or say this, when it

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happens, it might take me, let's
say, two days to get a History

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unit plan, right?
Mmm.

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Or let's say, three days even.
And that would mean that I start

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in the mundane if it gets
finished in the Wednesday but by

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no means do, I spend eight hours
each day constantly planning, if

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you know what I mean.
Yeah.

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But I guess that it's a school.
That isn't it because we've got

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we're aware a biggest school.
If you think about someone like

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Sophie from last week, Imagine
imagine you had history to do,

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which two days, but you also had
geography and Science and re,

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and then masks and yeah, full
from scratch.

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My point.
Here, is my point here is that,

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you know, I might go for
breakfast on the Monday, come

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back at 12, do two hours work,
then was something else.

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And I are doing our hours work
later and it's actually three

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hours of work like it, but I've
had managed to have a day apart

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from that.
Now, if it's four solid days of

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planning, then I don't
understand that whatsoever

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because he's like, just
happening every half times,

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you're getting ahead for the
whole time ahead.

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Can't sustain that for out the
throughout every single week in

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time because you're literally at
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I've just saying II am
interested to like dive deeper

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into these things because that
sounds crazy.

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Like that's almost so crazy.
That it's gone past the point

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where I'm like, well can you
explain that?

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Because I can't even fathom that
my did say for four days is

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half-time writing reports and
planning to be fair.

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So I imagine a big bulk of that.
Four days was report writing.

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I don't know.
And you know what, as you know,

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while no Hayden, we're going to
come onto this discussion in a

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lot more.
A lot more deeply in our Our big

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chunk of this episode, but the,
I think that term between tan

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five and six that half-time, for
a lot of teachers point of view

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is completely written off like
that.

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There is, I don't know any
teachers, really whoever plan to

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really do anything in that time
because of the looming reports

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and and it takes up such a big
time, big chunk of time in that

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kind of week off.
Yeah, I would say in general it

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that is that it's crazy, it's
frustrating, isn't it?

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When workload gets to that point
and the reason I'm interested in

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Diving into more about the
intricacies of that is because I

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want to find a solution.
Well, we've said this before

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million times, haven't, even
when someone comes to us with a

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problem, you know, sometimes
they just want empathy and a

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shoulder to cry on maybe your
lights or someone say.

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Oh, that must be difficult.
Whereas I know, we're very much

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learning to do that, but my
first thought is always, can I

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solve this problem?
Okay, break it down for me.

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Exactly like what?
What what on Earth is going on?

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Where you've got to do that much
work in your week off because it

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completely goes against what
everyone says about teaching.

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Where you get all that time off
was like, well, this person

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doesn't kinda missed.
Johannah's birthday like it

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literally not gone out to do the
events that you.

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The things you plan for that
day.

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If your partner's birthday in a
half term week like is the

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literal week.
I've this post I think was on a

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Sunday by the way.
So it was the last day of the

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half term.
That was he just like, thinking?

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This is my last day.
I have to get this work done,

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but I do know I don't about you,
but I just maybe just says what

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about me?
No way.

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I just wouldn't do it either.
Like, cool, that works.

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Not getting done, then, don't
care.

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Don't care.
I'm going out for the day, it's

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my partner's birthday.
I'm not missing it.

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So if someone knows about not
getting there, Tough, I'll get

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another week like that's
genuinely my attitude towards

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that, but maybe that's not the
same everybody, I don't know, I

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don't know, I think there's like
not even a middle ground,

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there's a ground way closer to
what you are, which is where

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most people should be but I did
I'd be interested in knowing the

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ins and outs of that because I
want to know what had to be

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planned for four full days.
I guess it's reports as well.

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Like the saying it is
frustrating, but I'm not going

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to my personal view on this and
it's got against what I always

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say, I suppose and I think it
probably Oops, that our school,

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we have an extra week off in
this in this time and I can kind

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of say well that's extra to
everyone because we are in sets

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together.
I can justify spending a lot of

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time on work and that week
because that makes more sense.

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I'm getting paid basically for
those insect days but I think on

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the whole of the 13 weeks off
that we get, I don't mind having

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to cordon off two or three weeks
of that in total to be doing

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work person.
I don't know.

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Yeah, I think that's the way one
because I think I do, I think I

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do mind.
I'm like, nah, I want I want all

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13 weeks of them.
I don't like the idea that in

452
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,900
any capacity that is even
remotely hinted at that.

453
00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:32,300
The expectation of me working in
those weeks off, I get it.

454
00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:34,400
Like I actually don't mind it.
I know he's saying like I don't

455
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,200
mind doing a couple of weeks but
I don't agree with it if that

456
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,100
makes sense.
So what do you know?

457
00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:42,000
Because it is my opinion on this
is really interesting.

458
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,000
Now because finally finding
something we might disagree

459
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,600
about on and when it comes to
holidays and it's built in that

460
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,900
we get 13 weeks off, right?
Yeah, but I think that's because

461
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:58,300
that that is the reason why
partly in a less like let's just

462
00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,900
say suspicious view of the
establishment saying that we

463
00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:03,100
have to do work outside of our
working hours, right?

464
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:06,300
I think that's part of the
balance there of that being in

465
00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:11,500
our contract of, okay, you know,
you work 195 days a year and you

466
00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:15,600
have this Time from whenever
director time, but you have to

467
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,400
do some work outside of it, to
to meet the standard of the job.

468
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,800
To me, that is a fair
assumption.

469
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,400
That will be using a fair chunk
of that 13 weeks off to

470
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,900
counterbalance that.
I don't think it should be an

471
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,400
unhealthy amount.
And, and the problem comes, when

472
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,500
there's no set amount.
You know, some people might say

473
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:36,100
3/4, some people might say one
quarter half, there's no set,

474
00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:39,400
healthy amount in there, but
from my perspective, I'm willing

475
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,400
to, to say some of those 13
weeks will be A put towards that

476
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,500
part of that contract, that I
agreed to think it becomes

477
00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,300
unhealthy, when it's the weekly
grind doing work every single

478
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,400
Sunday.
Yeah.

479
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,900
I think that, you know, that
balance is really important and

480
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,400
I think there is no balance,
which is the problem, but I

481
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,400
think doing some work and a
significant chunk of work.

482
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,300
Outside of school is actually
acceptable.

483
00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:04,300
I just think the scales gone way
too far.

484
00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:07,000
Yeah, you kind of said my
counter-arguments off towards

485
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,100
the end of your point, really,
which was literally just going

486
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:13,000
to be.
I do get that but the Reality is

487
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,700
that, you know, what, whatever
you said.

488
00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,800
So let's say we accept that
maybe like three weeks of those

489
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,600
13 weeks is like an acceptable
amount.

490
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,300
It's like I'm already doing
those three extra weeks in my

491
00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:25,300
free time on weekends and
evenings with in term time

492
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,000
anyway.
So when it gets to the holidays,

493
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,800
it's like cool.
You already owe me those three

494
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,400
weeks because I've literally
done them on top of the director

495
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,200
time.
I was supposed to do.

496
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,800
Anyway.
So that's kind of why I'm just

497
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,600
like.
Now I want all 13 weeks.

498
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,600
I think we worked out in the
different episode, I can't, but

499
00:22:38,608 --> 00:22:42,000
the hours were I'm sure we
worked out that the hours we do.

500
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:46,100
In with the whole 13 weeks off,
it still adds up to around about

501
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,200
if not a bit more than the
average working hours of a job

502
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,100
in a year anyway.
And that was I can't remember we

503
00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:54,200
based it on I think if we based
it on the assumption that we do

504
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,100
do a few like hours on a weekend
or whether we just did it on

505
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,800
like a nine to follow now.
So I wasn't.

506
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,200
Yeah.
The the fact was for anyone who

507
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,600
missed the episode the amount of
hours we put into the job just

508
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,400
from doing the job.
As in we get into school at

509
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,100
7:30, but we don't get into
school at night.

510
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,900
We can spot have 70.
We leave at about five, add up

511
00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:16,700
all of those at times.
All of those clubs, we might

512
00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:18,100
have to do all the parents
evenings.

513
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,300
We left out the whole planning
so like planning wasn't wasn't

514
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,200
in that time.
So I need extra planning we do

515
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,600
was on top of a full-time job
and I think actually we agree on

516
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,600
the on the basics here like I
think that it's acceptable to do

517
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,700
some work in that time, but I
also completely agree that the

518
00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:39,400
fact we do so much work.
Every single Will we get extra

519
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,500
does kind of foster that
environment.

520
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:44,200
Okay well where's this line in a
broken line where this is

521
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,900
acceptable?
Yeah that's a bit because I

522
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:48,800
think I agree in the summer
holidays I think it's acceptable

523
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,600
that I'll do a week of work in
preparation before September

524
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,100
because it's a brand new year.
Of course I need.

525
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,300
I course I need to be prepared.
I can't go in day one with these

526
00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:58,100
new kids and know nothing about
them, have nothing planned.

527
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,600
So I do think it's acceptable
that I do some work to do before

528
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,500
that.
I just don't think it's

529
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:03,400
acceptable that I then work
every weekend and evening in

530
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,900
that term it's kind of like one
of them needs to go and it

531
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:07,400
should probably be the one
that's impacting.

532
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,600
Our son, like a daily.
Has not the one where actually

533
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,700
you had five weeks off to relax
now.

534
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:14,800
You're well ready to do some
work that I get it?

535
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,400
That's probably the one that
should stay if anything because

536
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,400
it is a lot of holiday.
Yeah.

537
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,800
Because again, if you think
about it, it's it's almost it's

538
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,500
six separate chunks of holiday,
right?

539
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:24,700
If I got that wrong, or is it
7:00?

540
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,100
You must be seven missing it.
So, summer halftime one,

541
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:33,500
Christmas half-term Easter half
term and some arrogant no.6

542
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,100
summer, I guess 06:06.
And if you think about a regular

543
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,000
job, I bet most people don't get
six chunks off.

544
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,100
Work every week every year.
Sorry so like for example the

545
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,800
part of the overall point, I
guess I'm making here is that

546
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,300
when it comes to town 56 and we
have this, you know need to do

547
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:53,800
reports I think it's widely
accepted that okay, that week,

548
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,800
you know, bit of a write-off,
get the report stunk at the

549
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,200
planning done.
But I've got six weeks at the

550
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,500
end of this chunk and ends up
being that you work for 1213

551
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,800
weeks in a row, which is a slog
in teaching.

552
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,200
We know that I completely agree
with you, then you get five

553
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,300
weeks off, you know, before you
go ADI up week of work before

554
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:08,900
you go back.
Like you said, there's just a

555
00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:11,100
middle ground and we're nowhere
near that middle ground.

556
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:12,900
Absolutely.
And I completely sympathize with

557
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:16,600
this person because I'm almost
Playing devil's advocate here of

558
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,600
suggesting that it's acceptable
but it's acceptable in

559
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,000
isolation.
It's not acceptable in the

560
00:25:21,008 --> 00:25:22,700
reality of what we're doing.
I completely agree.

561
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,200
Yeah.
And also that the my last point

562
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000
on this is just that and I
always find is hard to grasp

563
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,400
like I don't like this is just
how unregulated the system is.

564
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,400
I don't I don't like the fact
that it is genuinely a gamble as

565
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,300
to what school you end up
getting a job in.

566
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,400
As to how much of your life will
just be taken up by it.

567
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,500
That's so true.
Like I don't work in that

568
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:43,900
person's school-wide is.
I didn't spend five days working

569
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:48,000
over the half term got paid
exactly the same though assuming

570
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,200
that you know it's just pretend
we're on the same page point in

571
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,400
our scale.
Cool, Lego you just what you

572
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,100
just got.
You just didn't get paid to do

573
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:56,800
five days worth.
I didn't do so bad luck.

574
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,700
Do let me know what part is.
So ridiculous that that's just

575
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:02,900
the state that it's in or bad
luck, but you go to Tesco and

576
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,900
then in like one store, you work
twice the hours for the same

577
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,300
money as an Other side is that
it's not going to happen, like

578
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,600
it's regulated completely.
So that it's fair across the

579
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,900
trade is fair.
I'll come back on that really

580
00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,300
quick because we both worked in
the supermarket and I completely

581
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,000
agree with you but the there is
always imbalances even in jobs

582
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,400
like that because I worked as
that and I very quickly realized

583
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,700
that I could work as hard as
possible, and get paid the same

584
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,000
as someone who did nothing for
their whole shift.

585
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,900
And, and there was that there
was there was that but imbalance

586
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,300
in that job, as well as I wait,
I'm breaking my back side here

587
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,200
to get this like, you know, get
these Cages out on the shop

588
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,900
floor, someone's done, one cage,
and the same time, it's going to

589
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,400
chat with someone for an hour.
We got the same pay packet at

590
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,100
the end, you know.
And that inequality kind of

591
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:47,500
drives that resentment, doesn't
it?

592
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:48,800
And that's where we're at were
teaching right now.

593
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:50,500
At least that's the same in
quality every job.

594
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,900
Yeah.
But the point I'm making, I

595
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:56,100
suppose, is that, I felt that
resentment there as well in

596
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:57,700
that.
In that respect, I don't think

597
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,800
that resentment for, you know,
between people doing the same

598
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,700
job is something that's
exclusive to teaching.

599
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,400
I just think it's a completely
different environment where you

600
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,100
know it affects You even more
because like you said that's

601
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:09,900
like, on the job, how hard you
work in?

602
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,800
This is like, cool.
Do I need to literally plow

603
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,700
extra hours in?
And I think the one thing that's

604
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,400
transformed for me a lot and you
maybe could say your opinion on

605
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:25,300
this afterwards is the hours and
hours extra where it feels like,

606
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,100
you're not getting paid like
the, the option is okay.

607
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:32,600
I could not do this and it would
just get done at another point

608
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,200
or I could put three hours into
this, you know, unit of work.

609
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,100
Half an hour and and very and
now I'm just like cool that turn

610
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:44,300
off hours if I was paid, you
know, if I'll pay had been kept

611
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:48,600
up with, you know, the rate of
it was 20 years ago, where it

612
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,500
was like a livable wage for you
and your partner, like you could

613
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:53,300
actually raise a family on a
teacher's salary.

614
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,700
Now, you're scraping to buy a
house still and it's just like

615
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:59,800
cool.
I'm not in the position where I

616
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,400
feel like I want to accept that.
So I'm not going to do it

617
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,300
anymore.
And, you know, it's a tough job

618
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:07,400
and lots of people have tough
jobs and lots of people on less

619
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200
money, but it's a relevant to me
because I'm not cool.

620
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,500
Well, why should I put in that
extra five hours a week?

621
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,600
Am I a chump?
Like it was nice when I passed?

622
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Yes, I'm a chump.
Now, I find that people earlier

623
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,400
in their career just in general,
I'm just generalizing now, it's

624
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,300
not always true but generally
people earlier in their career

625
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:29,700
in teaching do put the hard slog
in, you know, they do they do

626
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:31,900
the serious hours.
I remember doing any.

627
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:35,100
We both did it.
We were exactly the same and I

628
00:28:35,108 --> 00:28:38,900
think I was in my first.
First or second year and I spoke

629
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:40,700
to my Deputy head of the time
because I was just getting

630
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:42,800
stressed.
Like, I just literally, I

631
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,000
couldn't keep up with the amount
of work that I was putting

632
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,900
myself under as well.
And that's really important

633
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:51,700
because I was trying to do
everything at 110%, like,

634
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:54,800
everything had to be incredible.
All of my lessons took me two

635
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,500
hours to plan a lesson.
Everything I was marking was

636
00:28:57,500 --> 00:29:00,500
like, Mark to the nth degree.
Every single like everything was

637
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:01,900
just over the top and I was
like, cool.

638
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:04,100
This is completely unmanageable.
Like I don't understand how am I

639
00:29:04,108 --> 00:29:06,600
supposed to do this job?
Like really well, which I want

640
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,800
to do and I just broke down to
my Deputy head of the time and

641
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,200
and, and he was just like, yeah,
just don't do it and he wasn't,

642
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,800
he wasn't being like, Oh, yeah,
it's don't do it.

643
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,700
My whatever he was being really
genuine and I was sort of like

644
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:22,500
this, my Deputy head, like my
someone, I expect to tell me to

645
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,000
get everything done properly,
and he's like, don't do it.

646
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,900
And I was like, I need to get
this done and this time I've got

647
00:29:26,908 --> 00:29:28,700
another all these Mass things to
sort out as well.

648
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,500
Now that I've been trapped, on
top of me, and I've still got

649
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,300
that the Mark, he's like, don't
do it as I can't.

650
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,000
Just not do.
It was like he can and if

651
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,500
someone really needs it, they'll
email you then for it and then

652
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:39,900
you can do it.
I know another time I didn't

653
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:43,200
really understand but it's all
man, it changed my life really

654
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,700
thinking about it resonated with
me a lot over the years because

655
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:47,200
I was like yeah but you know
what is so true?

656
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Everyone so urgent, everyone
needs things, urgently done for

657
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,900
them and everyone and meet, you
know last-minute goes oh this

658
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:54,300
needs to be done.
Now you can you do this report

659
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:55,300
for me?
Because I've got this meeting

660
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:56,800
tomorrow.
No.

661
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:01,300
We can do.
Oh, this is so bad, but it's

662
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,100
like.
Yeah, cool.

663
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,400
Okay, nice.
It's a home power.

664
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,700
Yeah, I agree.
It's the power of prioritization

665
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,800
and it's hilarious because we
have mocked this like endlessly

666
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,900
before and so I just go home.
Yeah, well, I've got two markets

667
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,400
on the policy I'll get into
trouble otherwise.

668
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,000
I think like what you're saying
is is more of a mindset shift

669
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,900
rather than an individual basis
of well just don't mark it.

670
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,500
Yeah, we're not saying not
Somali.

671
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,000
It's a very generic kind of like
a - Mindful state to be in in

672
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,500
the job, which is it's okay to
not get everything done in the

673
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:37,800
time frame that you self imposed
on yourself and, and that kind

674
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,600
of Self in position, you know,
are you going to let some people

675
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,900
down sometimes maybe, you know,
in a certain respect because

676
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,000
someone might need something
from you.

677
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,400
We're okay, fair enough.
But that means I need to work

678
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,100
until eight tonight and I'm
going to say no, because I'm

679
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:57,700
going to put myself first before
that person that person The fill

680
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:00,100
that down may have not had
something from you, but, you

681
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,200
know, maybe next time that
person will ask it from you, two

682
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,100
days early, you know, give you a
chance to do it or think about.

683
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,900
Okay.
I need this from this person.

684
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:09,900
How can I get it from them
about, you know, damaging their

685
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,100
health in or, you know, their
their mindset.

686
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:17,100
And I think this is a really
powerful thing for especially

687
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,700
leaders to do and I know, we're
not school leaders, you know, we

688
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,200
leave the subject, we did a
quick, we did Mass, right, but

689
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,000
there's little things that I'm
quite mindful of is not taking

690
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
advantage.
Vantage of the people who will

691
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,500
say yes, in those situations.
Because although we're very much

692
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,700
of the mindset of I know, just
don't do it.

693
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,700
We know, don't we Hayden a lot
of teachers who are so lovely

694
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:44,000
and put everything into this job
still and will not say no and

695
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,500
will impose work on themselves
to deadlines, they've set

696
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:49,400
themselves and end up working
almost every evening because

697
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,100
they want to get this done, want
to get that done.

698
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:55,200
And I think what leaders need to
do is kind of Step In sometimes

699
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
and say, look take a break,
we're not going.

700
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,500
Expect this from you.
I'm actively saying don't do

701
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,200
this thing that you've planned
to do for two hours every night

702
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,000
this week because you want to
get it done by next week.

703
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Let's shift this target into
next term have a break.

704
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:13,000
I expect you to only get these
things done, which then I think

705
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,500
if leaders take the active step,
I think people will be less

706
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,500
anxious and feel like they've
got to go over and above every

707
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,000
single week at the detriment of
their own stress and the hell,

708
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,100
if I think that's a really
powerful thing people can do, I

709
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:29,200
know a lot of teachers right now
who Who honestly work every

710
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,200
evening of the week genuinely
work, every single evening of

711
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,200
the week, and usually half a day
or a day of the weekend, as

712
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,100
well.
So, I really hope I really hope

713
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:39,200
things.
Get better for those people, and

714
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,700
I do agree that it has to be top
down.

715
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:45,000
It has to be not, everyone is
going to be like, nah, I'm not

716
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,500
doing it.
My life is no one.

717
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,600
Not everyone is going to be
comfortable with knowing

718
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800
actively knowing that actually
just gonna let someone down,

719
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,100
it's like, yeah, you gave me
this deadline but cool.

720
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,600
You've I've got seven other jobs
that you've also given me.

721
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,200
Me.
So I'm only doing three of them

722
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,400
because that's all I can do in
this time.

723
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,900
So tough not.
Everyone's going to have that

724
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,900
confidence to do that so you
know, leaders.

725
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,700
Come on, we need to foster a
better workplace for people to

726
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:11,300
feel less anxious, less less
overworked.

727
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,900
Well, this this is your this
kind of evolved into a little

728
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,000
chat there, didn't it?
And that felt really good.

729
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:20,700
I think what we're going to do
then because it leads perfectly

730
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:23,700
on to a raging debate, in the
minute.

731
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,900
Education-wise I think that we
hadn't are going to play the

732
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,700
little jingle and you're going
to go get a cup of tea and the

733
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:32,300
three seconds.
So I'm going to say the same

734
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:34,400
joke for six weeks in a row
because that's our personality

735
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,200
becomes s for something to get
bored of it and then we'll

736
00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:39,100
replace it with something in a
few weeks, you know, diagnosis

737
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,700
as you will, but I'll see you
again for seconds.

738
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,500
In the last couple of weeks
because of reports and the

739
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,500
future job teaches have to
produce them.

740
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:56,100
There's been a bit of a raging
debate because there's also been

741
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:59,200
a huge development in technology
and now Hayden we're talking

742
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,100
about AR it, what does it say?
I stand for in artificial

743
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:04,600
intelligence, of course, I
really hoped we'd like two

744
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,200
seconds on the spot you thought
of something funny.

745
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,100
But now you're right.
Artificial intelligence.

746
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,800
And anyone who has been online,
I'm sure has In something about

747
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,900
it.
You know we've got Photoshop now

748
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:17,699
has a I where you can generate
the rest of a photo, it can fix

749
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:20,300
it for you automatically.
And the idea is that artificial

750
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:23,000
intelligence is kind of The Next
Step, isn't it in technology?

751
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,699
It's something that learns by
itself and kind of develops by

752
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:29,800
itself and it's therefore quite
controversial, especially

753
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,000
because you may have seen in the
news if you read for example on

754
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,800
BBC online, there's been a few
articles in the last few weeks

755
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,100
of the founders of various AI
systems, almost warning, the

756
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,600
world.
That this could get out of hand,

757
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,800
you know, very quickly that
these Bots learn exponentially

758
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,100
they're going to become super
intelligent super quick and they

759
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,699
kind of were, you know,
canvassing for a bit of a pause

760
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:56,900
on the development of the
technology as a whole.

761
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,600
Now that's a whole nother
debate, whether you know, AI in

762
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,200
general, is going to take over
the world or not, but we're

763
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Hayden.
I found something really

764
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,700
interesting is an entire debate
around report writing and

765
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:13,200
different AI tools that we have.
Available to us now.

766
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,200
So Hayden do you want to kick us
off and just kind of summarize

767
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,300
what is the debate and you know
what's the general consensus?

768
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,200
But yeah sure so I would I would
just clarify as well.

769
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,600
The AI that we're talking about
is essentially it is essentially

770
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,300
a glorified and very very very
good language model.

771
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:31,600
That's what it is.
It's really really good at

772
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,600
producing pieces of text.
So there's one that's been

773
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,500
created the most part of popular
teaching related one.

774
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:40,300
Right now I'm going to read out
a little Anonymous post actually

775
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:42,000
for you because this kind of
summarizes the debate.

776
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,700
Someone put this on in a
Facebook group and obviously

777
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:48,300
they put thoughts on a, i
generated report comments.

778
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,800
Dot dot dot.
I've looked at teach may I from

779
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,300
mr.
P.

780
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:54,500
And it looks fantastic.
Had a very brief chat with my

781
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,200
head teacher.
And I've been told that it is

782
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,500
both morally and ethically wrong
to use AI for anything in

783
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:03,400
school.
This person has put, I

784
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,000
personally do not agree with
this as I see it as a way of

785
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,700
saving valuable time.
What are people's thoughts?

786
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,300
Can you tell if a report has
been written by a teacher or a?

787
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:15,300
I, if it uses These prompts that
are input by the teacher and

788
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,300
that sparked a really, really
big discussion.

789
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:21,000
And that's essentially captures.
I think the debate in hand here

790
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:27,300
is, is it acceptable to use AI
to help you write reports?

791
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:35,700
Yes, thanks for listening, guys.
I'll catch you again now.

792
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,300
I think, you know I'm no
stranger to an opinion hen.

793
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:43,300
I think that it is absolutely
fine.

794
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,800
I think that there is no problem
morally or ethically.

795
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,300
And I do think that someone
imposing that view on someone

796
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:56,400
else is being quite dramatic.
And I think if the head had said

797
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,500
that to me, if I'd gone in
there, Asked about it.

798
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,300
Then first, I wouldn't have
asked, I would have just made

799
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:03,600
them and then they would never
have known.

800
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,300
And secondly, if they said, it's
- oh cool.

801
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:08,400
Okay.
So do I get time to write these

802
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,900
bespoke lie then and see what
they say, I'd also ask them

803
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,100
Hayden.
Can I use a comment bank because

804
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,400
very common.
You, I had it in secondary

805
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,000
school as well.
I literally had a report once

806
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,900
which had someone else's name in
it where they copied in a

807
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,100
comment and forgot to swap the
name, very common strategy when

808
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:27,600
it comes to writing reports.
I think there's a whole host of

809
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,800
reasons.
But yeah, we did a poll that we

810
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,700
hate it.
Yes.

811
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,300
So on a teaching.
So you started by this does kind

812
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:36,700
of two elements of this because
I sort of jumped in afterwards

813
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:38,100
as well because I wanted more
information.

814
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,400
So you did a poll.
Basically saying, hey, everyone

815
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,500
in this big teacher group is it
is acceptable to use chat GPT

816
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,600
which is a very popular AI
language model at the moment to

817
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,500
write reports and you did
specify to be fair and you did

818
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:57,500
say there will be specific
inputs for the child from, from

819
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:00,200
the teacher.
But the A, I would generate the,

820
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,100
like, actual paragraph for you
and the data that we got from

821
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,800
that, at least from when I last
looked at it, was nine percent

822
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,200
of people said, of course, it's
okay to use a, I just flat.

823
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,700
Okay. 86 percent of people on
your poll said, yes.

824
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,900
But with editing / specific
input for that for each child,

825
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:18,700
which makes sense.
I think that's what everyone's

826
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,000
doing anyway.
And then five percent of people

827
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000
was just put flat-out should not
be used.

828
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:26,600
So I I then wanted to get more
information from these people.

829
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,600
So I put a post up saying, Would
anyone be interested like be

830
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,400
available?
So just chat basically, and let

831
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,000
me know why you think it's not
acceptable to use AI.

832
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:40,300
Got this is hilarious because I
feel like we're going back to

833
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,000
Our Roots here.
We're going back to episode 1

834
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,600
where we did a bit of role play
strikes, because we both

835
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,800
obviously thought striking was
the right action to take, so we

836
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,900
had to cut to make up these
characters to be true.

837
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,800
So, I think, first thing I want
to say before you carry on

838
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,900
Hayden, is just point people in
the direction of the fact that

839
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:58,200
over 90% of people
overwhelmingly.

840
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,900
And there were over 400 votes in
this, in this poll saying that

841
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,900
they think it's acceptable to
use as a tool which I'm glad of,

842
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,100
but yay.
I'm very interested to hear,

843
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:13,200
then those people who are
against AI, what they're kind of

844
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,500
what their views were what their
reasons.

845
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:18,200
Why is to say not only is it not
okay?

846
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,700
Or not only will, I not use it,
but I don't think anyone should

847
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,000
use.
I think that's quite a big jump

848
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
then.
Okay.

849
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Well, I've actually had a really
nice conversation with someone

850
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,000
who said they wouldn't mind if I
sort of talked about this.

851
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,000
So I'm just going to read off a
little bit, like just paraphrase

852
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,200
some of their answers.
That's right.

853
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,800
And you can kind of maybe come
back at them with your thoughts.

854
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,400
So this person said they're
really lovely by the way, really

855
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,900
polite.
And they said lo I know, I'm a

856
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,100
bit with maybe I'm a bit of a
dinosaur but I just this is just

857
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:44,200
my opinion on things and and
their overarching point really

858
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,300
was in primary school.
You know, we spend so much time

859
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:50,900
with these children's on a like
on a personal level in some

860
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,900
cases like even more time than
they do with their parents, in

861
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:57,200
those sort of, you know,
personal situations and and you

862
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,900
see hundreds of personal
anecdotes across the year and

863
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,800
she fills, it is part of her
job.

864
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:07,400
It is part of her role to then
kind of collate and share some

865
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,500
of those Beautiful memories.
Now that those that have

866
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,700
happened across the year that
their parents didn't get to be a

867
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:16,300
part of with the parents via
parents evenings, but also

868
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:18,900
written reports and they will,
they were really, really

869
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,300
passionate about this idea that
it should.

870
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,900
The comments should be super
personal and include, you know,

871
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:30,600
really little things of about
that child than a, I would never

872
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,300
be able to generate from any
prompt because they're, you

873
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,500
know, again because that
anecdotes because their stories

874
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,500
their moments that actually
happened in the Year not just

875
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,000
generic, like, did well in this.
Can't do this.

876
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,500
So that's the first point I want
to make.

877
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,900
Yeah, it's interesting because
to me, I guess this comes down

878
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:52,900
to a i as a generated.
Prompt is as good as what you

879
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:56,000
put into it.
And I don't think that using AI

880
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,400
is what some people see, as is
like a, just get out of jail,

881
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,800
free cards.
Like you can just generate a

882
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,800
report in three minutes because
I absolutely don't think that's

883
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,300
possible using AI, because
you've got to be really

884
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,500
specific.
You've got to write individual

885
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:11,400
prompts for every single child
put in.

886
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,500
Six, seven, eight bullet points.
One of them could be the

887
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:16,200
anecdote.
And what I found was really

888
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,000
powerful was for the generic way
of wording things so that you

889
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,100
don't word it in the same way
every single child.

890
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,500
But behaves in a similar
situation, I thought that, you

891
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:29,600
know, chat GPT was a really good
way of kind of generating new

892
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,500
ways of getting things across in
a very formal manner.

893
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,000
That's property, you know,
written in a way that's suitable

894
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,000
for a report, but then once it's
generated copying, it into word

895
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,100
diving in and adding those
anecdotes and Those little

896
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,900
little tiny things in there
without having to worry about

897
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,900
how to word something and how
for it to flow.

898
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,300
I think they're two separate
things.

899
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:52,000
I don't necessarily think AI
equals not personal.

900
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,900
I think the way you use it as a
tool is going to be really

901
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:58,200
important.
I had another really really good

902
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,400
counter argument that I'm going
to come to in a minute.

903
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,100
So I'm not going to show it,
share it with you just yet but

904
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,300
it was the only one really that
maybe go all you know when

905
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:06,400
something makes you doubt
yourself a bit but just staying

906
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,900
on the point that you were just
mentioning familiar.

907
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:11,000
I played around with
specifically that teach may I

908
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
because I saw it was Popular and
I just wanted to see what it's

909
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,700
all about.
Obviously you've got chat GPT as

910
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,800
well which is, you know, a free
model to use and and I because

911
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,900
obviously we were writing our
report.

912
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,800
So I had a play around with it
as well just to see because my

913
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,600
gut feeling was actually that
it's not gonna be very good.

914
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,700
I was thinking it's probably
going to be like horribly and

915
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:30,700
personal not written very well
to the point where you have to

916
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,800
edit it anyway and spend just as
much time on it but I'll be

917
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,300
honest I think it took me twenty
five percent of the time as

918
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:41,200
normal and I genuinely think my
comments were better and I'll

919
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,500
just read He's right.
A point you made because I'm a

920
00:42:43,508 --> 00:42:47,400
human being under a time
constraint I don't care how good

921
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,800
your school is.
You're always going to be under

922
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,900
a time constraint for reports.
It is natural that you're going

923
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,700
to repeat the same comments and
phrases for various children.

924
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,600
Once you've written a, you know,
there's your writing the same

925
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,500
report format 32 times,
potentially, you're going to

926
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:01,700
start using the same phrases.
You just not going to think of

927
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,800
32, different ways where they, I
was really good at creating

928
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,600
unique sentences and paragraphs
per child, based on my prompts.

929
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:15,500
And I've actually I've Since
then, I have put in some prompts

930
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,600
to teach my eye and I've just
made it up because I don't want

931
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,700
to share a real rapport with
you.

932
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:23,000
But I would like to share with
you a report that just before

933
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,100
this podcast, I got the AI to
write for you.

934
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,900
And I'm going to tell you right
now, neither of the other two

935
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:31,600
examples, they both took less
than 30 seconds to completely

936
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,300
finish, right.
And then we'll and then I'm

937
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:34,700
going to make one final point
after it's.

938
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:36,600
So what I'm going to do is I'm
going to share with you what I

939
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,000
wrote in to the AI and then I'm
going to show you what came out

940
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,300
the other end, okay?
Okay.

941
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:44,200
So this this will be interesting
to see, like the amount you've

942
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,400
input here because I think some
people are worried and saying,

943
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:48,900
Jesse's a lovely girl.
Works hard.

944
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,200
You know, could improve next
year by just paying attention

945
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,600
more and hoping that it comes
out of 200 words at the.

946
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,300
Don't think that's what happens.
I'll show you.

947
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,800
So, this one was a mass
comments.

948
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,600
I just made up a mass comment.
Obviously, I used your name and

949
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,800
all.
I typed in the strength box, it

950
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,100
doesn't have to be like, well,
word, it is basically bullet

951
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:05,300
points.
You just type in your thoughts.

952
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,700
I put in the strengths box, I
put problem solving thinking,

953
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:13,200
mathematically, longevity.
A written calculations and

954
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,700
methods was good at making 3D
models.

955
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,900
I'll try to think of it like a
maybe an actual thing that that

956
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:20,800
that child was good at doing
particular thing and needs

957
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,400
Improvement.
I put reading the time And I

958
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,900
asked you to write me a really
short on a 90.

959
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:27,900
Word reports are just one
paragraph and this is what he

960
00:44:27,908 --> 00:44:31,300
wrote and I haven't edited it.
So you can you can give me your

961
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,600
honest opinions.
Dylan has displayed exceptional

962
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,800
problem solving skills
throughout the term and is able

963
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,300
to think mathematically to
arrive at practical Solutions.

964
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:42,200
His longevity in the subject
matter is impressive and he has

965
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,500
excelled in written calculations
and methods.

966
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,600
Dylan has also demonstrated a
flair for Creative for creating

967
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,700
three-dimensional models,
showcasing his create creativity

968
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:54,500
in the process.
However, it is noted that Dylan

969
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:55,900
needs to work on reading the
time.

970
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,200
As this has been an area of
weakness for him.

971
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:01,000
Overall, didn't has made
significant progress, this term

972
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,700
and has proven proven himself to
be a diligent and dedicated

973
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:08,600
student Yeah.
I mean, so my initial reaction

974
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,200
to that is there's nothing in
there that you haven't

975
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,300
personally written.
There's nothing in there that

976
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:15,800
the AI is magically made up
about this child, where suddenly

977
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,400
it's now an inaccurate report.
It's a very useful report

978
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,000
exactly what you put in.
Just just composed in a way

979
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,300
that's much more maybe formal
than we could have written with

980
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:29,300
less effort.
I mean, for the time saved, are

981
00:45:29,308 --> 00:45:32,200
we really saying that it's
important as teachers?

982
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,600
That the adult knows that we
composed it ourselves.

983
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:38,200
We're signing off, and, what's
going into the AI.

984
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,400
We're literally putting the
exact stories in.

985
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,300
You could've had a lovely story
there, like that woman's woman

986
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:46,700
or man said about the, you know,
the individual stories from each

987
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:48,800
person that could have been a
lesson, you remember.

988
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,300
And they made this unbelievable
3D model and went off and made

989
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:52,900
their own there, and it's magic
story.

990
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:54,700
You want to share?
And if you really wanted to

991
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:56,600
share it, then cool for 30
seconds after that was

992
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,800
generated.
If you thought that wasn't

993
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,200
personal enough, spend two
minutes, writing a bit of an

994
00:46:00,207 --> 00:46:01,800
extension on that sentence.
I agree.

995
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,600
It's as personal as you want it
to be.

996
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:07,800
I don't think.
The personable aspect of the

997
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,200
report is an argument against it
that I really accept, to be

998
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,100
honest.
Yeah, I completely agree.

999
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,500
I was actually about to say that
the beauty of the time-saving in

1000
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,300
that the fact that took me 30
seconds to get to that point

1001
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,900
means that now if I have taken
notes because I'm one of those

1002
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:25,100
teachers that has taken notes
and wants to get the anecdotes

1003
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:27,500
in, it will take me like a
minute or two to put the

1004
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,300
anecdote in rather than 10
minutes to create the hot you

1005
00:46:30,308 --> 00:46:33,200
know craft the whole paragraph
myself weaving, the anecdote

1006
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,400
into a point a point which I
feel is appropriate.

1007
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:37,500
So I think People are missing a
trick is what I want to say

1008
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:39,300
here.
I think people are way too

1009
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,100
focused on these extreme ideas
of.

1010
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,800
Well, it's either a you write
this beautifully bespoke report

1011
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,200
that you could spend three hours
writing per child, and it's the

1012
00:46:49,207 --> 00:46:52,600
most amazing thing that anyone's
ever read ever or be you could

1013
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,900
tell ai6 things that a child can
do.

1014
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:57,500
And it will write this really
generic impersonal thing for

1015
00:46:57,500 --> 00:47:00,300
you.
And it's like, what do you know

1016
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,000
what?
Neither of those are really an

1017
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,600
acceptable reality.
We cannot expect people to spend

1018
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,400
the time on making reports that
this amazing as great as that

1019
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,100
would be objectively and equally
anyone using AI.

1020
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:14,900
I'm sure is still in putting
enough into the AI, that it's

1021
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,700
not a complete impersonal, like,
piece of drivel, it's just

1022
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,200
saving them time and I'm not
being funny.

1023
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,100
Who do we think we are as
teachers that we're going to be

1024
00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:24,800
able to craft this unbelievably
written black, beautiful

1025
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,600
paragraph.
I'm sorry, it's not realistic.

1026
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,400
After three hours of sat there,
right in.

1027
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,800
Do you think it's going to be
something out of a beautiful

1028
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,000
novel?
Like, there is honestly don't

1029
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,600
think that we could.
Compose something better.

1030
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,400
As in better quality written in
terms of grammatical and

1031
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,700
formality than that.
AI Bots has.

1032
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:46,200
The only difference we can have
is that individual flare of a

1033
00:47:46,207 --> 00:47:48,200
specific.
Bespoke story that we want to

1034
00:47:48,207 --> 00:47:50,000
get across in the way that we
remember it.

1035
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:52,000
Then go in and edit it
afterwards.

1036
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,900
I think you're absolutely right.
There's no extras.

1037
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:55,600
What's the point in being the
extreme here.

1038
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,800
So interestingly took some to
come back completely on.

1039
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,100
The first point you made there
about who are we to create this

1040
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:01,800
paragraph?
One of the points someone gave

1041
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,300
me on that thread that I put out
there.

1042
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:06,600
Was it?
Literally she Said, it's

1043
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,800
insulting the idea that with
like we're trained

1044
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,200
professionals.
We've been at University for

1045
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,700
three years and write a degree
level to think that we can't

1046
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:16,200
write these paragraphs ourselves
and we have to rely on AI to do

1047
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,600
it for us.
No, no, no, we don't rely, we

1048
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,500
don't rely on it.
Like, I'm pretty sure I could

1049
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,700
sit there couldn't let this.
It's not insulting, it's not

1050
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:29,600
insulting to say that a computer
is more able to access synonyms

1051
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,800
faster than you is it insulting
when we have to Google something

1052
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,400
when actually, oh well it's
insulting suggest that I

1053
00:48:35,408 --> 00:48:37,800
couldn't Go and find a book in
the local library and find the

1054
00:48:37,808 --> 00:48:39,300
answer.
Well, no, of course you can.

1055
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,100
But it's called time-saving,
it's not, it's not insult to

1056
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:44,400
suggest that Googling something
is ridiculous.

1057
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,000
It's part of the technological
advances of the dime, we are

1058
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,800
intelligent teachers, who are
good at pedagogy or favorite

1059
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,200
word is, I'm sorry.
But when did the biggest part of

1060
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,100
our job become composing amazing
scent paragraphs to send to

1061
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:00,500
parents like, of course, we know
how to do it.

1062
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,900
I know how to do percentages.
I don't not use a calculator.

1063
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:07,200
Hmm.
Is it wrong to use a calculator?

1064
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,700
How insulting I've got a
master's degree in?

1065
00:49:08,707 --> 00:49:10,000
You want me to put it into a
calculator?

1066
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,400
Yes, because it's quicker.
I think I agree and my kind of

1067
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,800
counter-argument to that person
and I do get what they're saying

1068
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,600
that.
I just don't think they're

1069
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,200
looking at.
If the right perspective, I

1070
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,000
think they're I think they're
not realizing that the reason

1071
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,700
people are using AI is to save
time, not because we can't.

1072
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:26,600
Right?
That's, that's the wrong, the

1073
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,400
wrong thing there, because if
that's what they thought, I

1074
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,500
would say to them.
Cool.

1075
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:31,900
I hope you've never downloaded a
PowerPoint for twinkle.

1076
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,000
I hope you've naturally never
taken a lesson slide.

1077
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,700
From anybody else, because it's
insulting to think you couldn't

1078
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:40,400
make them yourself.
This type of course I can make

1079
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,100
them myself but I don't want to
sit there for three hours and

1080
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:44,500
make slides about Charles
Darwin.

1081
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,900
When there's some already made,
I'm just going to grab them and

1082
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:49,800
edit the bits.
I need exactly the same process

1083
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,700
is what I think we should do
these reports.

1084
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
I'm gonna get the bulk of it.
Done to save my time, and I'm

1085
00:49:55,008 --> 00:49:57,100
going to edit things in, right.
Dylan, are you ready to be

1086
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:00,500
triggered?
I'm ready, I'm ready to be not

1087
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:02,000
do trick.
No, no, I'm not.

1088
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,800
Because I'm calm and I'm a
changed, man.

1089
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,200
This, it's called the balance of
Dylan Hayden.

1090
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,800
So by triggered.
Okay, I'll change it out by

1091
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,400
tricking.
I meant ready to be triggered

1092
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,900
into a conversation.
Not, you know, triggerman not

1093
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:16,600
triggered.
Mad, I listen, I love debating

1094
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,300
things and I think I'm very
black and white sometimes know.

1095
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,100
I think sometimes I rub people
up the wrong way, I'm not

1096
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:24,200
surprised.
I'm not trying to, I would be

1097
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,800
happy for someone to be as blunt
back to me.

1098
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,400
I'm just very interested.
So, it's A comment but don't but

1099
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,700
don't but don't question me
about you heard it here.

1100
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:36,300
First, this was someone's
comment and it was the first one

1101
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:39,800
that made me for a moment.
Go all but then I did have a

1102
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,800
thought myself, but I reckon you
will have some interesting

1103
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,600
thoughts on this.
Someone said I'm going to skip

1104
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,100
kind of the gunk really than get
to the point.

1105
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:52,400
They just said, would you be
happy for the report to be

1106
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,600
signed off with your name and
also augmented by AI or written

1107
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,900
with the it's of a, I would you
be happy for that to be at the

1108
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:04,900
bottom of the report?
And then their point was if you

1109
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:07,700
if you wouldn't then shouldn't
that be a cause for you?

1110
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:09,700
No concern.
Shouldn't that be?

1111
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:12,500
It shouldn't be a reason that
you deep down you know it's not

1112
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:17,400
right to be using AI.
I think that's only a concern

1113
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,000
for someone who cares about this
kind of thing I do.

1114
00:51:20,008 --> 00:51:23,500
I think that's a concern for
someone who is actively against

1115
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,300
AI.
I don't think that's like a

1116
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,500
moral level for everyone in the
planet.

1117
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:30,600
Like, do we need to know if
something wasn't completely

1118
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,200
human made every single
opportunity that we have.

1119
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,000
I don't think we do.
You know, when we submit our

1120
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:38,200
accounts to like to the
government?

1121
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,600
Do we have to put augmented by
QuickBooks at the bottom?

1122
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,500
I mean, I maybe we do.
I don't think we do though.

1123
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:44,700
I don't think no one cares
because they've just been, you

1124
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,800
know, If signed them off, you
know it, okay, cool.

1125
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,800
The computer helped us on this
process, you know, the thesaurus

1126
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,500
on word helps me to write my
book.

1127
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:55,600
Mmm.
The grammar check on grammarly,

1128
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,200
helped me to make sure my essay
was written, you know,

1129
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,500
succinctly, do I wrote it off at
the end though and I said, cool,

1130
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,300
whatever this is.
Yep.

1131
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:06,100
I'm going to put my name to that
because I accept everything

1132
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:09,600
that's been written.
Do you think that all

1133
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,400
politicians, write their own
speeches?

1134
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,400
You know?
Imagine a really powerful speech

1135
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,900
that if, you know, their teams
put together for Them that they

1136
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:18,000
signed off because it's
everything they agree with.

1137
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,500
They deliver it amazing.
The crowd of cheering at the

1138
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:23,500
end, brought to you by and then
put 15 names of people who wrote

1139
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:24,600
it.
It does don't.

1140
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,100
I don't think that that's
necessary.

1141
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,300
I don't think that's like the
winning argument that maybe it's

1142
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:33,700
being described as and as a
point to begin with.

1143
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:37,100
If someone was insistent that, I
put what I helped me, write it

1144
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:38,600
then.
I put it on there, I'm not even

1145
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,400
against that.
Yeah, that's fair enough.

1146
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:42,400
I think it's I think it's a
really loaded question.

1147
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,100
I think it's not as very
cleverly crafted questions that

1148
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:47,500
is Completely completely and
utterly irrelevant.

1149
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,300
And I was trying to think of
like some other examples of the

1150
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:52,700
same sort of thing and out
analogies of the same thing, and

1151
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:56,000
it's like, it's literally the
same as to me is someone saying,

1152
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:59,600
oh, if you taught a lesson and
and and it wasn't planned by

1153
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,900
you, would you be happy to go
outside at the end of the day?

1154
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,500
Tap it all of the parents on the
head and tell them this lesson

1155
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:07,300
wasn't planned by me.
Is that what course?

1156
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:10,000
I wouldn't, of course, I
wouldn't want to do that, but

1157
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,600
that's not why.
I like that's not why.

1158
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,800
I don't think they should use
the lessons.

1159
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,200
That's just an irrelevant thing
I have.

1160
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:17,300
Course I was embarrassed but
because on the reports I was

1161
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:20,000
never putting who did or didn't
write it anyway.

1162
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,400
So why did I do this extra
thing?

1163
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,400
Anyway, of course, I don't want
another Angela.

1164
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,500
This is exactly what I meant.
What I said, I think it's only

1165
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:28,800
relevant people who don't like
AI, but there were two think

1166
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,300
that's a thing to ask because
with, I'd be very interested,

1167
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:34,500
maybe they, maybe they have this
kind of thing for everything.

1168
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:36,800
Maybe they do every lesson.
Say this was their son was

1169
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,100
brought to you by twinkle.
I didn't handcraft this lesson,

1170
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,300
but I looked at it and I
accepted that it was good for

1171
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:44,600
what I want to deliver today.
And then I delivered, it is, you

1172
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,100
know, Is it?
I just don't think it's a fair

1173
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:52,100
question to ask.
Someone would you do this?

1174
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:54,400
Well the answer is yes.
I mean I would tell a parent

1175
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,200
now.
I've got a lesson off the

1176
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,500
internet if you really wanted me
to.

1177
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,500
Yeah.
But what's the point?

1178
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,200
Yeah.
But all it does is open them up

1179
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,600
to an interpretation of the
thing you're telling them that

1180
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,900
might be wrong and that's the
problem.

1181
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,100
So true, the only reason I
wouldn't actually like to tell a

1182
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:10,200
parent I got this in twinkle is
because they might then come to

1183
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,300
a conclusion that for some
reason that was a terrible thing

1184
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:14,300
and then it just opened up a can
of worms.

1185
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:16,300
I don't want to get into And
it's the same with this report

1186
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:19,300
thing AI is really new right now
and quite clearly it's a bit

1187
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:21,200
controversial and even more
clearly.

1188
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,200
People don't understand how it
works.

1189
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:25,500
You know that headteacher going
back to that original post.

1190
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,000
It says, it's immoral and
ethically, wrong to use it.

1191
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,700
It's like, do you do they know
it's just a language model and

1192
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,300
all it's doing is just speeding
up.

1193
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:34,500
You writing a paragraph?
Like do they understand that?

1194
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:36,800
Because if they did, I don't
think they'd have that opinion

1195
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,800
so clearly they don't understand
it.

1196
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:41,000
So I don't want to tell pair, I
wouldn't want to tell parents

1197
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,700
that it's had all supported by
AI because they'll probably some

1198
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:47,600
parents that don't Moray is and
think it's a terrible thing for

1199
00:54:47,607 --> 00:54:49,400
me to do.
And then I've got to explain to

1200
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,600
them all of this, listen to the
podcast.

1201
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,500
This is great that we just send
this link, but, you know,

1202
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:58,900
equally I must say, I do.
Like I do understand it because

1203
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:01,100
there are like I said at the
start in general with AI there

1204
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,600
are huge red flags at the minute
of, you know, the people who

1205
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,100
literally developed it saying,
you know, it could be a harm to

1206
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,000
humanity in the long run.
And to those people, I just say,

1207
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,200
well, you know, if it's going to
kill us at least, I could do my

1208
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,200
reports further.
Exactly.

1209
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:18,300
Exactly.
God's sake.

1210
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,100
We need a very serious
conversation.

1211
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:24,100
I have a question though.
I've gotta continue this for a

1212
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:29,200
second because it put it.
I said cool, I'm sorry of the

1213
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,300
factual for your permission.
So my question is this because

1214
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:37,300
this is where I think you know
I'm presenting we're presenting

1215
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:40,800
ourselves here as the voices of
reason but I do think maybe I am

1216
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,500
maybe too far on the other end
of this spectrum and this

1217
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,100
question will kind of expose
that?

1218
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,400
Do you think?
And that if given adequate time

1219
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:54,400
to fully write the reports that
so that you spend no extra time

1220
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,100
whatsoever doing them but the
caveat was you have to write

1221
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,500
them bespoke.
The individually from scratch

1222
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:03,700
for every single child but
you're given every single minute

1223
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:05,900
you need to do that.
So there's no loss of time

1224
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:10,900
there.
Would you still rather do it

1225
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:14,400
with AI?
Oh, that's so tricky.

1226
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:16,900
Because what you're doing to be
right here.

1227
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:19,300
Now is basically trying to make
me make me weigh up the pros and

1228
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:23,100
cons of AI in my head.
Ready because part of me, right?

1229
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:24,800
I'm gonna say both answers are
going to cop out here a little

1230
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,700
bit.
Part of me is saying, no, as in,

1231
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:30,000
I come up with a question was
now.

1232
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,200
So what no question was, would
you still want to use AI given

1233
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,900
that situation of time is not a
factor now, it's not stressed

1234
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:37,200
teachers like oh I can't do it.
My own.

1235
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:40,400
Time time is not a factor would
you still want to do?

1236
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,500
And it really quickly.
As I say no first because I

1237
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,500
think if I had all the time then
I'm probably am going to create

1238
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:48,400
what that person that was
talking to me is what was

1239
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,200
talking about, which is a
beautifully personal comment,

1240
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:53,700
that maybe parents would
appreciate a bit more than

1241
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:55,000
anything.
I could have ever created with

1242
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,500
a.
I even, if I just edited a few.

1243
00:56:56,500 --> 00:57:00,000
In fact, the whole thing myself,
it really, truly is a complete

1244
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,500
100% personal reflection from
me, from my brain, my writing

1245
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:05,500
style, to that parent, about
their child.

1246
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,000
I think that's great.
And I think there is something

1247
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,500
love.
Out that and I don't think she's

1248
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:11,900
wrong in saying that, that is an
amazing thing to do for parents.

1249
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:15,700
The other part of me still
though, it's still and I think

1250
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:19,000
yeah, AI is still got a place
here because it's still a really

1251
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,100
good way of mixing up the way
you write things, because

1252
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:23,700
whether you like to think you're
not, you're going to write the

1253
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,400
same sort of stuff and it's a
really long process.

1254
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,800
It's very, very exhausting
writing or attach it.

1255
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,300
Do you think so?
It's boring after a while

1256
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:39,200
because I, I'm, as I'm as
enthusiastic as you and I really

1257
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,400
truly am about writing.
A really nice report for these

1258
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,100
kids because I love them and you
know, spend so much time with

1259
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:45,800
them.
I just think that can be

1260
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,000
achieved with a i and what I
mean is when I'm writing it for

1261
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,600
hours on end like literally like
after 4 hours it I lose that

1262
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,900
buzz.
And I know my reports are

1263
00:57:55,908 --> 00:57:59,500
getting worse because I'm
knackered and I am like, oh God

1264
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:02,200
I'm sorry kid like this is going
to be a very generic one because

1265
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,800
I just don't have the energy to
put that in mind space in I

1266
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,900
think AI solves that and makes
it better like That's the reason

1267
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:11,500
I'm very passionate but II.
I think like you that the

1268
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:15,200
reports are better for everyone
the second half of the register

1269
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,400
aren't going to Raw Deal
anymore.

1270
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:18,300
Yeah, I agree.
And I'm going to say right now

1271
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:20,700
and I know we talked about it,
talked about it between us when

1272
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:22,400
I was actually writing my
reports.

1273
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:26,100
And at the time, I remember
saying to you, I don't think

1274
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:29,300
they're quite as good as if I
had written them completely

1275
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:32,500
myself but I've changed my mind
because since then what I've

1276
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:34,800
done is I've gone back in and
I've just read through them

1277
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,700
again and I've actually just
edited a couple of little things

1278
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:38,800
because I felt So bad, that
their baby wasn't enough,

1279
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,400
anecdotes enough, like actual
personal stories in and I've

1280
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,500
realized that at the end of
this, not only are they

1281
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:46,200
considerably better than any
report I've ever written before

1282
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:49,600
completely and utterly unique
for every single child.

1283
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,400
They also, it took me less than
half the time.

1284
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,200
I've ever spent writing reports
even including that extra me

1285
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,800
going back in and editing in
some stories and it's like okay

1286
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,000
they've actually ended up being.
I'm a complete Advocate.

1287
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Now for doing this I'm actually
going to do this every single

1288
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,500
year because they're literally
better than any report I've ever

1289
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,700
written and let's be To be
honest.

1290
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,300
Now because this is the time to
out myself and every other

1291
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:16,500
teacher is that I don't think
there are many teachers who can

1292
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,500
honestly put their hand on their
heart and say, they open up a

1293
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:22,100
brand new word document every
single year from scratch and

1294
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:23,800
write every single comment.
No way.

1295
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:25,600
Okay, I'm calling you out right
now.

1296
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,200
We'd know you don't know you
don't you open other you open up

1297
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,800
last year's and you match up
some kids that are similar.

1298
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,700
If you can, you open up the year
before and you get your comment

1299
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:37,000
bank that you use that you made
one year because you were trying

1300
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,000
to Save yourself some time, and
you've written five different

1301
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,300
comments for re and you copy
one, any change the name, you

1302
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:46,900
know, people do that.
They just do, I've done it loads

1303
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:52,500
of times because it is, you have
your perfect because it's

1304
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,600
impossible is just impossible
because the end of the day, we

1305
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,300
don't live in that perfect world
that you're talking about.

1306
00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:59,300
We don't have all the time in
the world to do.

1307
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,700
We have our half-term break to
do it so it's gotta get done one

1308
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:05,100
way or another.
So there we are.

1309
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:07,800
Brilliant.
I love that.

1310
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,500
Love that chat.
And as always, we're right?

1311
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,300
Okay.
That was a joke.

1312
01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:20,600
A little quicker at the end.
I know we're not always right, I

1313
01:00:20,607 --> 01:00:21,700
get it.
Okay.

1314
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:24,500
But that was a great chat.
I really love that because you

1315
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:26,300
know what we always do.
A did we kind of go down that

1316
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:27,400
rabbit hole?
Don't we are thinking.

1317
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,500
Well, this is obviously the
correct answer and just opening

1318
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,600
up those views from other.
People have said and you know,

1319
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,300
slowly dismantling them and
proving them wrong.

1320
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:35,900
It feels good.
You know what Dylan night.

1321
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:37,600
I just realized I spoke a lot
for once.

1322
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,000
It wasn't you dominating the
conversation.

1323
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,200
I never really asked you for
your kind of final appeal

1324
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:43,400
Opinion on it.
So what is your kind of?

1325
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:45,300
What's your takeaway point from
this chat?

1326
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:47,500
What do you think about?
Well, I thought so I will just

1327
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:50,500
first he say and I think you
know, I said last week I've got

1328
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:53,200
a few comments that I just, you
know, talk over you interrupt

1329
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,000
you but here's the thing, I'm
always learning.

1330
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,500
The point is, I don't want
people to know this because it

1331
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:06,800
is the way it's been because
Hayden specifically, when we

1332
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,800
start this podcast said to me.
Well, you're in charge pal.

1333
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,700
Yeah, you lead it.
You lead this podcast.

1334
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:13,600
So, Usually one who's trying to
push is on to other stuff and,

1335
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,000
you know, and I love the sound
of my own voice bit like I'm

1336
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,500
doing now.
So, the point I'm going to make

1337
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it.
This was the first ever podcast

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where I hadn't prepared
anything.

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I had prepared nut.
I've usually got a document up.

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01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,200
If you watch the video, you'll
sometimes see my eyes scanning

1341
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,900
but with some forward, because
I'm usually reading something or

1342
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:34,400
trying to get some information.
Because I know what the next

1343
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,700
point is going to be a wet work
trying to structure this

1344
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:39,000
conversation and Hayden's just
here for the ride.

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01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,600
But I feel like I was here for
the ride to, they're quite

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,300
enjoyed that.
I quite enjoyed it as well as

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01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:45,100
the first taste of power I've
got in our relationship, so it

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was nice.
Yeah.

1349
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,900
Okay.
Stop talking, we're going to

1350
01:01:47,908 --> 01:01:51,900
wrap it up there but just a
quick one from us, guys.

1351
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:55,000
We had our biggest ever week of
listeners.

1352
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,100
Thanks to Sophie and her
influence and her amazing input.

1353
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:01,500
So we want to keep it growing
and the best way for you to help

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01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,100
us do that.
And the best way for you to help

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01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:06,100
us get more guests in the future
is ratings.

1356
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:08,500
Give us some rating on Spotify.
When people see that number go

1357
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:09,900
up.
They think we're more credible.

1358
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,900
They might even listen.
And That we have no idea what

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01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:14,200
I'm talking about, but they see
that number and then I all.

1360
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,100
Okay, they've had some guests,
they've got some ratings, follow

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01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,200
us on Spotify guys.
We are edging toward 100

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01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,300
followers on Spotify, which is
just mad.

1363
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:25,500
We think about it to us.
You know what, fellas we did.

1364
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:27,200
I think it's just it's just
rubbish.

1365
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,200
I think we're going to get guess
anyway and we're just going to

1366
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,100
carry on doing it so if you
don't really fancy it don't

1367
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:34,800
bother don't bother rating it,
okay?

1368
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,200
This is what happens, ladies and
gentlemen, this is what happens

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01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,000
when Hayden's in charge of a
podcast episode.

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01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,200
So let's No down below in the
poll, one of us is going to get

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01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,200
rinsed.
I think, would you prefer to be

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01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,100
in charge of the podcast?
Is it when I'm in charge or

1373
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,100
what?
Hey, this is George.

1374
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:50,800
Let's open up so we wrapped
ourselves out there.

1375
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,400
Okay.
Hey, didn't you it's your go-to

1376
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,300
signs off?
I suppose.

1377
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:57,900
They see how well you do.
Okay, just goes right?

1378
01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:02,100
Ready, thank you.
Oh My Goodness, Me.

1379
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:03,300
Jesus, right.
Bye.

1380
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:04,600
See you later, guys, you next
week.

1381
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,700
Bye everyone.
No, I'm finishing.

1382
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:08,400
Bye guys.
See you later.

1383
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,500
See you next time.
Bye bye.

1384
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:15,300
Episode 19, next week, tune in
your friends.

1385
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:17,800
It's coming baby.
We're going to see you soon and

1386
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,500
it's from Hayden and it's from
the yellow plus the guests.

1387
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:22,000
We've got next week.
See ya.

1388
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:23,100
Bye.