Ep 15: Being A Male Primary School Teacher

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Welcome to Dear Dylan Hayden
where you write in your favorite

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stories and questions and we
react to any Dylan to this

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week's did Dylan and Ayden.
Yeah, just wonder what's

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happened to your voice?
But I'm in, I'm in game show

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mode.
So dear Dylan and Hayden.

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I'm gonna go back to normal.
Now, I'm currently writing to

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you in SATs week and my school
is doing something strange.

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I'm wondering if this is normal
for schools or not help, our SLT

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took away all staff lunch breaks
for every adult due to every

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adult being needed to help in
the SAS.

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Children have been eating their
lunches in class and having a

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quick break outside with their
class, teachers on duty, when

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questioned SLT smiled and said
to grab a quick toilet break

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when we can.
And that nobody was getting a

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lunch break this week because
it's SATs and we've all just got

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a muster in my favourite bit was
when I walked past the SLT

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office and the head teacher and
the author herself after SLT

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were clearly just having a break
at their desks.

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Am I being dramatic?
Or is this just not?

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Okay.
Is anyone going to pretend that

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there's more than one answer to
this question?

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Because I hate this?
Why don't annoy me?

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We're at the start of podcast,
but it's basically, I bet you

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you're making me angry already
80. 90 this stuff gets to me.

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I hate this attitude that some
people Charge have even if right

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let's take out the fact that she
thought they were having a break

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because that is genuinely
irrelevant.

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Like it's like it's an extra
annoyance, right?

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But it doesn't change anything.
This did the attitude of anyone

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ever where it's like, well, you
know what, guys, it's okay

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because it's equally terrible
for everyone.

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So go, guys.
It's that sweet.

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Just, you know, look, come on
everyone.

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So I know that's not.
So, what, where are the staff

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who cover lunchtime every other
week of the year?

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Don't know what's different now.
In class, I think there are they

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were insinuating.
There's only like actually five

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ten minutes outside, I don't
know.

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But why, but I do what my first
reaction to that was what I read

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this.
Obviously thinking, I'm reading

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this the Dylan is you're not
even paid for your lunch break.

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We're not paid for a loan
payments Hayden.

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We've been watch that watch our
previous episode about pay

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because the here's the problem.
Well yeah we're not but we are

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constantly expected still to do
stuff at me so actually maybe

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this guy is just being a woman,
should be very upfront about

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what they expect because every
other each time we spent

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prepping stuff for the afternoon
or not paid for it.

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Okay cool.
I'll prep it during the lesson

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and show how this route doesn't
exist and I'm just going to say

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right now, this is not going to
be an opening.

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We do every single time hated we
need to go back to Our Roots,

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it's like funny that doesn't get
me riled up.

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You can see it's video.
Now, why are you making me read

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like a beetroot?
What you trying to do?

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Well, thank you guys for
listening to this week's.

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Dear Dylan Hayden.
Where Dylan gets piled up at

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your entries.
Hello everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode
of teach sleep.

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Repeat to my name is Dylan and
my name is Hayden.

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I don't know why you're doing
this eyebrow thing, but I'm

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joining in well, it's video now.
So we could do whatever we like,

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if you're not watching the
video, get on Spotify.

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And for some reason, watch her
sit in a chair for an hour and I

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still don't get it.
But thank you for doing it.

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People who did it?
Dylan can call you a creep like

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you did in the last episode.
Anime feedback about that?

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By the way, one of my friends is
what watching and said, yeah, I

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did feel a bit weird actually.
And then when Dylan looked me in

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the eye via the camera like
this, it did, I did feel like a

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creep.
So, thanks for that cool.

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I'm turning viewers off, one of
the things that we've made for

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them already that way back.
That's good to have you back.

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They'll be back that creeps know
they're a Freak, no one's a

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creep and doesn't know it.
He okay.

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You don't get just been tough
on.

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You don't get the title Creep by
doing it once.

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Let's be honest, it's repetitive
action.

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Right?
Well, if you're just listening

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to normal, Yeah, then while done
for resisting the urge, if

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you're not then I mean try out
again but get ready to be called

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something detrimental.
It's not as good as last week

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because my nose is less crusty.
So I did remember last week I

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pulled the viewers in.
I knew they'd all watch it.

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We'll just so, you know, it's
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We do have a YouTube channel
that we uploaded it to, but if

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you want to watch on Spotify,
guys, please please, please do

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give us a rating again, because
we do love it.

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We Thrive off it.
We like to see it and it gives

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us credibility the More people
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people that will see our podcast
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what they're talking about
slightly and even if we don't

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like we said last week, Echo
chamber, Echo chamber, tell us

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It makes a difference to us what
we've got a juicy episode for

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you as well today guys.
So do listen.

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We've got a nice topic to talk
about.

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I won't spoil it just yet and at
the end of the episode, we've

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even got a story from the
classroom.

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Someone's written in with
something funny that we wanted

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to share with you, but should we
start with our weeks till now if

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you been Yeah, good.
Thank you.

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I recently anyone who works in a
school, it's one of you can

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relate.
We get through free school

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dinners at our school.
If we set any of the children

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and you know, very terrible
organization from me.

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I very often just kind of don't
have my lunch ready, don't bring

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in and I might go to the shop or
I might get a scolding.

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I've been having a lot School
dinners lately and sitting with

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the children.
I just, I would recommend it to

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anyone and just to go and sit
with them outside of the

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classroom.
Because All of a sudden everyone

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wants to be a best mate.
Everyone sit next to you.

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And I sat next to this boy,
really, really sweet, but you

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can just tell that they don't
want to just sit there silently.

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They're trying to force a
conversation and we've all had

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this before the children, but
they just want to talk to you.

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It's so sweet.
And you want to talk to them and

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it's lovely but they are just
trying to force a conversation.

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I had a nation with a boy today,
who said to me, is whole story

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said.
Yeah, I went to Aldi at the

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weekend with my dad.
And and and we bought some bread

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that we don't normally buy.
And then we took it home and I

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tried it.
I don't want to know I'm eating

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my lunch.
Is that what you said obviously

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not oh wow.
That's really interesting.

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And I kind of changed the way of
my plate and went to throw away

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my food, my classroom and
prepare for the afternoon.

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But my point is it's just really
sweet.

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It's just another one of those
moments in school, like you

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said, no one ever in a different
job will be sat down below what

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the sweetest lunch today with
Dave.

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Steve from accounts on last
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Attacked you doesn't happen.
It was just, it was just a

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really nice experience.
And see I've been having lunch

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lunches.
It's really nice just to get to

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know the kids in that kind of
environment and just been a

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normal week apart from that
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Yeah, fair enough.
So my week has been pretty

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pretty bog-standard couple of
things.

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I want to talk to you about.
So first of all, super

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interesting because when you get
to my age has is interesting.

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Right.
Animals living in my house.

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I've got what birds birds of
nested in my in my roof.

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I'm getting it redone now was I
been Put off for years getting

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my soffits and fascia has
redone, you getting the

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necessary done or your roof,
gonna get the roof done because

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they have managed to get in it
and they have nested and I mean

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it's quite sweet really are, but
they are right here in this, in

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this like next to my office,
they are right in the corner

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there.
There's birds chirping away

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there.
It's so loud to the point where

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I was, mm, yeah, I was worried
that it was actually gonna like

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ruin the podcast because you're
the microphone would just pick

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it up.
I'm pretty sure if we just quite

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yet because I'm talking, it
doesn't do it.

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You'll probably be able to hear
them.

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Just listen really carefully.
Really.

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I'm a bird living in Hayden's
roof Squad to hear that.

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They're really bad.
It's called really intelligent.

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Wait, wait do things to say but
I'm a one like great effort

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because you've done that before
this podcast.

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I think it's a great effort
there with a joke.

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Number two, it would have worked
much better before video when I

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can see your phone coming.
I've got that bit on my screen

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so I thought you can see how
well I can see it.

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My dad joke has gone.
Okay but in all seriousness his

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birthday and more importantly as
you know and the listeners I'll

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be there at this point I'm going
on school residential tomorrow

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so my weeks about to get
incredibly interesting.

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You also know exactly what next
week's podcast is going to be

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about.
Yes.

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Well there be a child after
lights out doing pull-ups again.

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When I was thinking of that
earlier time that she annoyed

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that we told that story already
because I'd love to tell that

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story again in like the next oh
that's classic It.

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Clashes maybe I might happen
again.

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You never know.
Yeah, may never know.

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Yeah, I'll just tell it again.
Anyway.

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You know the viewers.
Love repeated content?

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Yeah, I hope so, because I
honestly, I think about if you

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take this whole 15 chunk of
episodes, we've got, I think

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about 30 percent of it has been
original and the rest of just

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been repeated and rehashed and
its own form.

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Oh, this job's hard do this job
is quite nice.

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Sometimes ha ha ha ha, ha ha!
Repeat you just didn't bald you

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just did that thing by the way,
you know, you want to use it.

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You told me, what do your
friends pointed this out?

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Out for you.
You know how you get your

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phrases like randomly wrong.
Sometimes you just did it right

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there and I'm going to call you
out on it.

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Do you even know what you said?
Now, I've no idea.

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He said if we just take this 15
chunk of episodes, rather than

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this chunk of 15 episodes,
that's the thing.

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Your mate was taking the mick
out you for that, and I getting

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more and more content.
All right.

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You might have noticed.
So, thanks for that anyway.

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Enough of us enough was chatting
nonsense.

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Okay, the people love a
catch-up.

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Apparently this why we do it
every week, but let's get into

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the The deeper stuff we're going
to dive in, viewers listeners,

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customers, whatever you are has,
and just hold off past the

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little jingle.
We've got three seconds.

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I promise you into absolute
stardom as have a quick break.

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Get a cup of tea.
Have a nice nip, nip, have a

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nice nip, have a nice nap, but
again, have a nice nap.

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Let's stop talking about the
jingle.

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Right.
So you've seen by now the title

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of this episode.
And, you know, we're diving into

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the heavy subject Aiden of being
a male primary school teacher

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being a male, got stats, being a
man, being a male, primary

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school teacher in a modern
world.

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We're going to dive in.
It's a subject with lots of

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opinions, lots of stats, lots of
facts, but I'm going to try and

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distill it into one question for
you Hayden because it seems to

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be the Crux of every discussion
about this.

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We're going to dive into our
Experiences.

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As male Primary School teachers
and look at the meta facts and

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statistics away from the kind of
anecdotal side that we're going

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to talk about between us and
kind of come across the Crux of

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the idea which is this question
about the time.

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Now which I want to know your
initial thoughts on then we'll

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pad it out.
Okay.

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So do you think being a male
primary school teacher is a

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hindrance or somewhat of a
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more benefit being a male Even
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as in it, so I got a lot of I
got to pick one or no.

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Listen this.
I think the viewers know by now

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we hate this kind of this is the
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Yeah.
And some Nuance here and we all

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know, it's balanced then we know
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cons.
Yeah, on the hull.

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How do you feel about being my
primary school teachers?

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It's something we like our gosh.
We're so like thought against

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Ivan.
It's such a, such a bad position

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to be an orgy using actually
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position, if anything, it's way
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Yeah, I think.
My My overall response to that I

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think is it's more of a benefit
and I can definitely go into the

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details of that.
I do think there are hindrances.

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I think there are cons of being
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But I do generally think it's
more of a privilege.

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I think I'm privileged to be a
man in this job.

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More than I think.
There are like pick things again

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against me.
That me sense.

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That's probably my gut feeling
that might change by the end,

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but I'm pretty sure That's like
how I feel.

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I agree.
And I think I struggle to look

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past the fact that I think being
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privilege, quite clearly.
I think that's way less of an

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argument way less of a
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I think, if you ask 99% of
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That then a manner in a power of
a privileged compared to women.

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There's still fights going on
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not just in law because we've
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But in terms of the actual
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what we can do as male teachers
talking to based on our

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statistics is a female-dominated
audience, which makes sense

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because it's a female-dominated
profession and just get across

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our thoughts, our experiences of
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have affected people's views on
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jobs going.
So I think we should start off

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with some cold hard facts
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it when people come across and
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then therefore that's the end of
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Experience.
Yeah, it's a very common thing.

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We see these days where people
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experience.
It's like, of course we can't,

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but there is obviously going to
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just because you experience,
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mean it's representative of the
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you're talking about.
The number one thing I think

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about all the time is I went to
a grammar school and you know, I

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know I know people who went to
grammar school from a poor

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background, who say, Well it
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So obviously it's not bad for
poor people to have grammar

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system but on the On the huge
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that it is disadvantaged have
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It's just a postcode Lottery,
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And we know for a fact something
which someone Zone, anecdote

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might not bear out.
So let's look at some facts

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here.
Being a male, Primary School

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teachers.
I'm going to whip these out to

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you Hayden.
I want you to tell me whether

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they surprise you or not and
what you think of them, okay?

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25% of state-funded schools in
the Southeast, do not have a

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single male classroom.
ER, so one in four School,

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state-funded schools in the
southeast of England, there's

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not an option to have a male,
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They don't exist.
Then they're not in the school.

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Yeah.
When you said that initially, I

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was a bit like all, but I don't
think I'm that surprised.

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It's going to save you, you
know, you've got more to say to

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this one.
Yeah, no, no.

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They're just more facts so that,
that, that did shock me.

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At first, like I said, have not
at all, but I guess it makes

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sense.
You'll have other schools where

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maybe half the teachers are male
like so it's not going to be an

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even distribution again.
I know what was going to do this

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a lot and actually to just
reflect on our experiences.

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In a cutter kind of go along
side these stats, but when I

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started teaching, I was in quite
a, quite, a big school for form

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entry, and it was just Junior.
So, there were 16 classes, and I

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was the only male teacher at
that point there that a lot

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forever.
But I at that point when I

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joined, I was one of 11 male 15
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So yeah you know, it kind.
So I wonder how much of that 75%

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is our schools.
We've just one that's true.

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That's another big chunk as well
to kind of exacerbate that.

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So I'm going to keep going now.
15.5% of primary school teachers

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in England, are male, okay?
That's actually more than I

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thought, genuinely more than I
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I really, I really thought
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So, I'm quite surprised when
it's been on an upward steady

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curve, where it was from like
2010 it was about 13 percent up

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with steady curve to the about
2015 and then it's tapered off

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it stayed about 15 percent.
So, you know, between 1 and 2

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and 10.
So, again, to me from my

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experiences about, right?
Here's where it gets

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interesting.
And here's where I think on a

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very specific Level.
We see our privilege.

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Okay.
Okay. 15.5 percent of male

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teacher teaches our main, I
guess this next act because I

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have no idea, but I can, I just
guess what is roughly was going

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to be?
Is it gonna be?

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Yeah, I dislike compared to that
15 percent.

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Is it going to be a way higher
percentage of male of men in

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like more managerial roles or
something like that?

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Absolutely.
So here we go.

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At 19.4% of Deputy, heads are
male discrepancy there a bit

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higher 26.9% of heads are male?
Oh wow.

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So in terms of a statistical
significance, that's a huge leap

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to go from 15 percent of the
workforce.

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End up being 25 percent of the
headship.

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Yeah, that's that's a lot mean
it's not too far off.

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Double really is it in terms of
percentage wise?

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I'm not surprised because I
think we can probably have a

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whole conversation about the
kind of culture.

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I actually think it links to
that previous stat as well.

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Like you know how you said it's
been going up steadily by

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Primary School male teachers.
I genuinely think even in my

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eight years that the kind of
cultural view of primary school

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teachers is changing a little
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of my first experiences in the
primary school teaching world, I

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cut him, it might be when I
think it was when I was

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training.
Someone said to me it was like a

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distant family relative.
I don't really know this person

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but they were down and around,
you know, classic big family

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gathering and they made some
comment.

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I can't know exactly what it was
but it was one of those really

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derogatory things like What are
we doing that as a woman's job

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and I was just like, really like
you that that that's genuinely

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something that you just said to
me like into my face and

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thinking I'll be like, haha
yeah, like, what are you talking

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about?
But I do think a lot of people

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have that opinion and now and
it's generally just becoming a

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more normal and no one really
cares about that is quite an old

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opinion.
Isn't it on teaching?

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Yeah, it's very outdated.
People going to go into some of

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that in a minute.
I want to I want to really

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explore a bit more about like,
you know, people's views?

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That's really interesting.
You said that.

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But it's it kind of comes down
to it, doesn't it?

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Where the thing I wanted to
transition to here is very much

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there, is that idea of, if
you're a male primary school

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teacher, this initial thought,
mm, white, men working with

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children, working with young
children, that idea Society,

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their role very outdated, but
still exists, but there's also

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that idea of Once the male
teachers are in the primary

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school, it's very much expected
that they're working their way

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up that ladder, whereas for a
female teacher, far less.

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So from what I've seen before,
it's way more accepted that you

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know.
Okay, yeah.

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It should be a bigger class
teacher and then one day you

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might have a baby and then one
might be very condescending.

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Yeah.
Very condescending and I really

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really feel uncomfortable with
that because that is something

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that absolutely exists and it
perpetuates itself throughout

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the profession and it's free.
A male-dominated profession.

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I don't think it's Mel mailed
from the top down saying, mail

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menu, go to positions of power.
If anything, I have that more of

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an experience from female staff,
who kind of like, oh well you

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know what you're doing, then
you're going to be going to go

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for the head of your job, you
know, like two years into my

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job.
Yeah, sure you're going to go

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for that.
You know, head of mass job, are

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you going to go for this?
You're going to go for that.

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I felt that pressure for sure,
that expectation to climb the

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ladder, and it's like a
self-perpetuating.

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Almost like it's a problem.
It's isn't it?

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I guess.
Because it's It's massively

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skewed and we're in positions of
power, more often based on how

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many people are in the job in
the first place.

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Like, it seems a bit odd and We
Know It exists because the data

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you just read is literally the
proof of that.

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So it's, you know, no one
considers.

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I know they don't men don't feel
like yet what they do because

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otherwise, you wouldn't have,
you know, double the amount of

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teachers.
But, you know, men, being

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disproportionately represented
as head teachers and things like

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that.
Of course to something's going

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on.
Obviously whether it's

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perpetuated by everyone or a few
people or just yourself or

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whatever the eighth, very
interesting because I do feel

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like my experience Isis very
much match that because when I

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started teaching, it was
absolutely my goal to rise the

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ranks as quickly as possible.
And looking back, I don't really

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know why I genuinely, I don't
really know why that was my

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goal.
Any more than the 15 female

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teachers that I was working
with, but it was for some reason

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I had already convinced myself
day one I yeah, I've got them

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up.
You have got to do that.

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That's me.
I've got to do that every night

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whereas in reality, you know,
years and years later, I found

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other things that I actually
really wanted to specialize And

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do differently and suddenly that
just that all career ladder

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career ladder kind of went out
the window a little bit for me

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and I was like oh wait no I
enjoy doing these other things.

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Other why was I put in this
random pressure on myself to do

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this thing?
But I don't I don't actually

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want to do right now and so I
felt it, you know, it's it

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definitely exists and there may
well be you know people who are

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way more clued up on the
psychology and the differences

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between genders and the sex is
or ever you want that, you know,

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we're not experts in that field.
So there may well be traits and

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things that At come as a reason
as to why more men might want to

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be going for those positions.
But from my point of view, all I

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can say is that I definitely
experienced that expectation.

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So regardless of whether my
biological inherit of to be

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dominating or whatever you want
to say that men do regardless of

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that like my actual experience
from other people being a

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projecting onto me is an
expectation to you know, get out

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that leadership ladder which I'm
not convinced women have the

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same expectation and the same
kind of I'm thinking put onto

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them so there's definitely no
external forces here.

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And and just traditions and just
this idea of Man In Charge,

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that's where they got and it
really, it really does stink to

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me.
I just don't like that at all,

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and I'd hate the idea of, I
don't know, because I'm not in

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their shoes, but the idea of
other people thinking that

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because I'm male I'm getting
preference and it doesn't even

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have to come to the fact of, you
know, a position, it could come

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down to perception of people
might listen to what I say.

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Pay more than what someone else
says.

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Because maybe I project myself
differently because I'm a male,

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and I come across as perhaps
more confident in the certain

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way and my personality shines
through and they think are

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typical just because he's a
bloke, you know, they're

449
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,100
listening to him.
Okay.

450
00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:24,000
Well but and that makes me feel
uncomfortable as well on average

451
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,900
on average, right?
Not just, you know, on average.

452
00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:27,200
Do you think he would get
preference though?

453
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,400
Yes, yeah, yeah, because I don't
and I don't and I don't think

454
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,600
it's again in general.
I think men do get that.

455
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,400
I think that's, you know,
something that's just a, it's

456
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:42,900
doesn't even have to be
conscious.

457
00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:45,600
This is not what I'm saying.
I don't think people consciously

458
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,500
ever say man said thing that
must be right.

459
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,900
Woman said thing, let's wait to
see what man says.

460
00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:55,000
Like, I don't think anyone is
consciously thinking that and

461
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,400
that is not what I said.
Please don't clip that, please

462
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,200
don't kick your butt.
But that's my point, though,

463
00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:04,800
that, I completely understand
when my female colleagues in the

464
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,000
past have said, you know,
Because you're because you're a

465
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,400
bloke XYZ 10 and and I think
what's really powerful for me

466
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,000
was trying to get over that
because - you know, what -

467
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,200
thought I'd be there hater.
You know what my personality is

468
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,700
like, my initial thought there
is a get over it.

469
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:22,600
It's not that.
Yeah, it's not.

470
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,500
It's not because my man, it's
because what I said was true,

471
00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,000
it's not because I'm a man, it's
because my behavior management.

472
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,400
I have a different technique.
I have a different strategy and

473
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,500
I was very reticent.
I think that's the right word.

474
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:35,200
I'm using long words again to
accept that potentially, it was

475
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,000
because of these things, at
least a part of it.

476
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,500
I would definitely come down to
no, no, it's because of my

477
00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:43,200
personal, you know, ability to
control the children.

478
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,100
It's not because I've got a
booming male voice and I

479
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:47,300
dominate naturally, and it's
easier for me to do that.

480
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,400
Yeah.
You know, I think overcoming

481
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,100
that as a male teacher is really
important to be selfless, almost

482
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:55,700
like accepting that subconscious
bias, does exist.

483
00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:57,500
And it does benefit you in some
way.

484
00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:59,500
It might not in every situation.
That's not how life works.

485
00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:02,100
But on average, you're going to
benefit, which brings us back to

486
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:04,100
the original question.
And that whole point, I think we

487
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:05,700
just made there can be
summarized with.

488
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,100
That's definitely a tick for Or
that's a privilege for male

489
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,800
teachers.
Because if you happen to be a

490
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,400
male, primary school teacher,
who is looking for, that career

491
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,700
progression, you do
statistically, you always

492
00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:19,600
thought, you've got statistics
in your favor, is the way I

493
00:23:19,608 --> 00:23:21,400
should rephrase that.
So there's a, there's a

494
00:23:21,408 --> 00:23:23,600
privilege and if you don't want
to do it, what does it matter?

495
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,200
You know, it's not it's not not
in your favor now.

496
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,800
It's just you just have this
extra step.

497
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,100
If you want to use it, it's
definitely a thing.

498
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:32,500
It doesn't mean that you're
guaranteed, like we've got it

499
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:33,600
all.
I just want to keep reminding

500
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,200
people that you would not talk
about this on an individual

501
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,600
level.
Just On average statistically,

502
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,800
you're more likely to get into
those positions as the stats

503
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,100
show.
And I think kind of getting over

504
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:49,500
a defensive like, riposte to
that is really important to open

505
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:52,700
a conversation and I think
closing off the conversation on

506
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,700
either end is really not
beneficial to anyone.

507
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,700
So, to close it off and say,
yeah, and actually, yeah, of

508
00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,800
course, you're in a position
where your you've got more

509
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,200
privileged and you're going to
get all these things.

510
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,700
And that's, that is equally as
yeah, is equally damaging to the

511
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:07,800
conversation as to say, no, not
at all.

512
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600
Never know.
It's just the individual, but

513
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,500
both are just crazy.
And I think only through a die,

514
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,700
Dialogue.
We're not trying to have an

515
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,100
argument here and convince
everyone to one extreme or the

516
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:16,800
other.
What kind of say?

517
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,300
Well, this is a thing, let's
explore this.

518
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:19,800
Those think about it in every
situation.

519
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,700
Let's be aware of it.
Yeah, because it's like, I can

520
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:23,600
just think of an example right
now, this is complete opposite

521
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,700
of what I just said, which is.
Let's imagine you Dylan went for

522
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:29,900
some managerial role and then
you got the roll through hard

523
00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,000
work and like genuinely because
you're fit for that role.

524
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,400
Right?
And then someone just completely

525
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,000
dismisses it by saying oh it's
just cause you're a man like

526
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,200
that is equally damaging and
actually not helpful to

527
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,500
situation like there is a dare,
is statistically a chance that

528
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:45,400
That came into play, but not
always that person could have

529
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,100
actually just been best for the
job from my, from my, I can say

530
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,800
right now from my experience, I
had something pretty much

531
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,800
exactly as to, what you've just
explained already.

532
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,500
It was slightly different.
It wasn't a job.

533
00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:01,100
But it was, basically, some
someone was commenting on and no

534
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:03,900
one likes to do this because you
don't have to build yourself up,

535
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:06,100
but someone was basically
commenting on the relationship.

536
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:08,800
I had with, with my class.
Okay.

537
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,500
That from my point of view, I
think this is building.

538
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,300
A relationship with someone or
group of children.

539
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,700
I've seen other male Primary
School teachers.

540
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,600
Do it a different way and not do
it in like not build a bond, as

541
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,700
much as I did.
Or same for female.

542
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,800
I don't think this is based on
gender, too much.

543
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:26,700
I think it's based on like, my
Approach.

544
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:29,300
I like to think it's more the
way I treat the children, the

545
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:32,100
way I talk to the children, the
way I respect the children, I

546
00:25:32,108 --> 00:25:34,800
think plays a bigger role in How
I build a bond with my class.

547
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,400
And it kind of happened that
another teacher kind of said,

548
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,700
oh, you know, but they all want
to be of you.

549
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:40,900
You're the man teacher because
they cause I want to be the man

550
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:43,100
teacher like it's easy.
It's easy when your Anteater

551
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:44,700
because they immediately
respect.

552
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:46,200
You did.
They want you to be in the

553
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,100
classroom?
So you can be funny with them.

554
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:52,000
And you can have a joke, and I
just kind of, I think, you know,

555
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,400
going either way.
There's damaging I can say, to

556
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,000
myself now.
Okay.

557
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,400
Maybe maybe it's something to do
with it.

558
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,900
But have you thought, maybe it's
because I do X.

559
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,600
Y and Z as well and that has a
positive impact.

560
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,300
Yeah, I think I think that's the
right response.

561
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:04,500
I'll try to think what I'd say
that.

562
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,100
Like, now, if, if, if I was in
this podcast frame of mind and

563
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:09,600
not just emotionally responding,
I think it would be something

564
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,500
along the lines of yeah.
Potentially, it probably does.

565
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,400
Has had probably does play a
have a part to play the fact

566
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,100
that I am male but it's a small
part to play.

567
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:21,400
Because actually this, this,
this all of these different

568
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,300
things that I've mastered in my
skill of teaching are actually,

569
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:26,200
the reason these kids respect
me, you know, this is just a

570
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,000
small part of it so yeah.
Dismissing it all as us because

571
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,500
you're a man because you're a
woman is definitely never a good

572
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:36,400
approach to actually anything.
I've got a question for you, how

573
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,200
many times in your career set?
You move what we've been

574
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,000
teaching now, 89 years?
Yeah, something like that.

575
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,700
Each roughly, how many Times in
your career has someone said to

576
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:49,000
you a parent said there.
So please their child has got

577
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,800
you because you're a male
teacher and they could really do

578
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,300
have a kind of father figure and
male figure in front of that is

579
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,700
such a Time laughing because,
you know, the answer to it

580
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:59,500
because it's the same property
for most male teachers.

581
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:04,300
So many times, I've heard I've
heard the same spill many many

582
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:06,700
many times and it's always feels
great and the moment, I'm not

583
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,500
gonna lie, I never sit there
thinking all male privilege.

584
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:12,400
I'm always thinking that's nice.
They really want me and I know,

585
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,500
It's given me a boost like, you
know, wow I'm already in the

586
00:27:15,508 --> 00:27:17,800
good books of this parent just
because I'm a man and I take

587
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,800
that privilege and I Relish in
it but it is a privilege for

588
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,900
sure.
Yeah it's really I kind of sway

589
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,200
every year but how I kind of
feel about that comment because

590
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,500
you're absolutely right.
They're basically saying my

591
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,300
child wanted, you to be their
teacher.

592
00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,600
So what effect that, of course,
that's a fantastic way to start

593
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,800
a relationship with the kid.
They're already on board because

594
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,800
you spend a lot of time trying
to get the children on board,

595
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,800
but then equally, I just go.
I just dive deeper here and I

596
00:27:43,808 --> 00:27:46,900
think, okay, what a lovely idea
that I'm kind of, like a male

597
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,800
figure for this child and I'm
even, they have said this

598
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,200
themselves.
I'm not saying this, like a

599
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,600
father-like figure because of,
you know, being being in charge

600
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000
and helping them, and being kind
and compassionate, but having

601
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,900
rules and boundaries and stuff
that some children might not get

602
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,900
at home and school becomes for
them children.

603
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,800
If you think about a child's
experience, if they spend a lot

604
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,800
of time at home or there may be
isolated and the families, more

605
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000
isolated School becomes a
microcosm of what the Earth is

606
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,300
for that.
Old they grow up and they say,

607
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:15,200
well, what's the world?
Like what?

608
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,900
It's like school, there's the
odd man in charge.

609
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:20,400
And that's the person I listen
to and I have to respect and

610
00:28:20,408 --> 00:28:22,300
build a relationship with them.
There's loads of lovely caring,

611
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,300
women who are so nice and
fluffy.

612
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,700
And that's the social aspect
coming through, mmm, which just

613
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:30,400
doesn't translate to school, I
know.

614
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,000
So so many female teachers,
obviously through years and

615
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,600
years of working who are just as
authoritative like as I am just

616
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,700
because I'm a man, if not more.
So and have more strict rules

617
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,800
and more guidelines and more
kind of All of the children and

618
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,000
build even better relationship
in some cases.

619
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,900
And I just think like that
simplification of male male role

620
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,300
model in charge.
I sometimes feel uncomfortable

621
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,000
with because although that's
fantastic and I'll never step

622
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,700
away from that because I want to
help the children as much as

623
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,300
possible.
Realistically, my job is to

624
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:03,900
teach these children to the best
of my ability and that wider

625
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,600
stuff.
Whilst it's important.

626
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,600
Sometimes makes me feel a bit
uncomfortable.

627
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:10,500
Then putting that roll onto me.
I'd I really liked your point

628
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,900
about the microcosm, how it's
like a it is a mini social

629
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:16,400
structure and actually, it's
just preparing them for later in

630
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,000
life.
And maybe it's, maybe it is a

631
00:29:18,008 --> 00:29:20,800
negative thing that, to have
that idea of, yeah, it was a

632
00:29:20,808 --> 00:29:23,500
couple of men in charge and lots
of women that are subservient to

633
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:25,900
that person in charge.
That happens to be a man, good

634
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:26,800
luck in life.
See you later.

635
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,900
So, yeah, that's a good point.
I like that.

636
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,700
I've got another point to make,
if you are happy to move on and

637
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,700
yeah, that's it.
I guess it's, I don't know.

638
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:36,800
I guess it's more.
It's more the negative side like

639
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,300
the side that I feel like is it
is a negative thing for being a

640
00:29:40,308 --> 00:29:43,600
male teacher on average.
So can I Say before you dive in

641
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,100
there you want to make this
point really clear because I

642
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,500
hope people at home understand
that when we going to talk about

643
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,100
the negative side.
Now in the context of what we

644
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,400
just said that on the whole, we
completely understand that it's

645
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,800
a privilege, right?
But you know be open-minded here

646
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,500
when were talking about these
negatives because they can still

647
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,700
be negative.
So I'm really confused but this

648
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:04,400
week which widgets in pros and
cons that we basically I wrote

649
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,600
down a few notes earlier a few
of miles on our serpro.

650
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Oh that's a con and this is one
of the ones I thought I was a

651
00:30:08,608 --> 00:30:11,100
bit of a con and it might not be
for everybody but I certainly

652
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:15,900
experienced a lot of times.
There's definitely in the teach

653
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:18,500
world and I think the wider
culture to be honest, if you

654
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:22,200
anyone that knows anything about
teaching is that is the idea

655
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,400
that men need to be a little bit
more careful than women.

656
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,900
And what I mean by that is there
is just a slightly more, it's

657
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,900
hard to say.
Like there's this weird

658
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:34,700
perspective, like all men are
Dodger men, had men are

659
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,200
naturally Dodger than women, so
therefore we should be more

660
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,700
careful around men than we are
around women.

661
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:42,700
And I do think that translates
to school Cool.

662
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:44,700
And I've definitely experienced
over the over the years.

663
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,200
And a lot of people have told
me, especially early on in my

664
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,800
career, not to do certain things
that I have literally seen

665
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,200
female teachers.
Do I know about an eyelid and I

666
00:30:53,208 --> 00:30:55,700
was always like, oh, that's
weird because I got I got told

667
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,300
that, you know, if a kid comes
and try to, you know, what's to

668
00:30:58,308 --> 00:31:00,100
give you a hug that you should
absolutely?

669
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,400
Like do anything you can to not
be in that situation because it

670
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,700
looks really bad and then they
always ends of particularly

671
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,100
because you're a man.
And that phrase just like haunts

672
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,900
me.
I don't like that phrase,

673
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,100
particularly because you're a
man, nothing should end in that

674
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,200
phrase.
Whether it's something

675
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,700
benefiting me or not.
And in this scenario, I don't, I

676
00:31:18,708 --> 00:31:21,400
don't like that connotation or
you're a man.

677
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,700
Oh, so it automatically looks
da, Jia.

678
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:27,600
I just, I hate the whole, the
whole situation.

679
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,600
It's, it's uncomfortable, right?
Because there's so many other

680
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,200
things you could say, because
you're an X, because you're a.

681
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,300
Why?
Because your is Ed where you

682
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,300
would never.
Even fathom say, Sing something

683
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:38,600
like that.
Because you think, what?

684
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600
What are you on about?
How on Earth can you make the

685
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,600
kind of generalization about
this group of people that group

686
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,700
of people this group of people?
Cool.

687
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Well, I'm a male primary school
teacher, and you're suggesting

688
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,400
just, because of that, I'm more
likely to do something

689
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,500
inexplicable.
Yeah.

690
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,500
And it is, is horrible, because
I've gone through the same

691
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,200
training, the same DBS, checks
the same, everything as my

692
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,300
colleagues.
Hmm.

693
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,300
And this was summed up because
this was a real policy, this was

694
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,500
a real policy that I have
experienced before in the past.

695
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:08,900
Where again, You know, I'm not
saying my goodness me.

696
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:12,200
I didn't mind doing this but it
was the it was the hypocrisy

697
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,900
that kind of left a bad taste in
my mouth.

698
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Mmm, which was that if the
children were getting changed

699
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,800
for PE?
At the the if you're a male

700
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,300
teacher, you not allowed to be
in the room with the children

701
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:23,000
getting changed.
Yeah.

702
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,500
If you're a female teacher, you
are a real policy.

703
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,000
A real policy.
And can you like, can we just

704
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,700
think about that for a minute?
How do you think that made us

705
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:33,600
feel?
Yeah.

706
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,200
That if it was a policy of no
adults allowed in the room for

707
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600
this reason or no adults allowed
in the room on their own, there

708
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,600
has to be two adults.
Why is the gender the sets of

709
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
someone Coming into it.
That is, that is absolutely

710
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,400
terrible.
I can't believe a score that

711
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,100
that policy.
Because again, if we go down the

712
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:53,000
microcosm of social structures
at root of thinking, what we

713
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,300
teach in the kids, there what
that what the females are

714
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,500
inherently, safe and men aren't
like, what?

715
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,600
That's that's terrible.
That is dangerous.

716
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,400
And that is terrible.
I can't believe that actually

717
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,700
happened.
I was kind of similar to this,

718
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,400
right?
And I've told you this story

719
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,700
before and I'm pretty sure
you've got a couple of opinions

720
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,300
on this, but I'm just going to
say it again, right?

721
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:15,500
Because it's my one.
Of my first-ever experiences

722
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,400
inside of school.
And I always remember this and

723
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,800
I'm maybe I'm being dramatic
because there's another side to

724
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,700
it, but I might not be so I
think it was like my first maybe

725
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:29,300
my second day at this school and
I was super nervous obviously

726
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:32,500
and I'm just getting introduced
I'd met the class teacher and it

727
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,900
was that early morning time.
We're in a lot of schools that

728
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,100
the kids play in the playground
for a bit before the whistle

729
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,400
goes and they will come in for
like morning registration and I

730
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,500
was just kind of sat in the
classroom.

731
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,400
The teacher was like I need to
just go and get some bits and

732
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,100
I've got it.
The playground as well and you

733
00:33:45,108 --> 00:33:47,300
can just stay here and I was
like, okay, just sort of like

734
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:49,400
sat on one of the other
children's desks and it was it

735
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,600
was a year one classroom, so
proper little ones.

736
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:56,500
And these two Tas who obviously
didn't know me, right?

737
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,800
Brought this child in who was
crying because she fell over

738
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,200
outside and her Annie bus and
they brought her into like this

739
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,700
little shed area space.
It was just kind of off the side

740
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:09,000
of the classroom in direct view
of me like it's very open and

741
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,199
I'm just sort of sat there, lots
of sort of nodded to be like

742
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,100
hello.
Just as you know, They know I'm

743
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,100
there.
And then what they did was that

744
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,000
before they saw me, they were
about to leave her there because

745
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,900
they were literally just like 10
seconds from coming in.

746
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:22,199
Anyway, they're going to,
they're just gonna go grab

747
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,500
something, maybe grab another
kid, or something, come back in.

748
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,100
And they were about to, they
were happily about to do that.

749
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,600
And then they both looked at me
and then they stopped and like,

750
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,900
really, really cringey.
Obviously, then, like, change

751
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:38,900
their minds about leaving her in
the room, very mine, you know?

752
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,600
Although I'm a stranger, I was
still, you know, they would have

753
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,500
died.
I was there with my lanyard on

754
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:44,900
Earth.
Things like I was I was going to

755
00:34:44,908 --> 00:34:48,500
be the teacher for that class in
my training and it really made

756
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:52,300
me feel like honestly, horrible
actually upset me a little bit

757
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,800
because I thought my natural go
to you.

758
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:57,200
There was a cool they've just
seen that.

759
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,100
I'm a man and then just
instantly thought.

760
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,400
We can't leave him, can't leave
him near this kid and that made

761
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,000
me fall around us, but I don't
know, make them, it's probably

762
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,300
more to it.
You might want to shut me up.

763
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:11,700
And no, no, no listen, here's
the thing about anecdotes and

764
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:13,600
this is something I've learned
as well, you know.

765
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:16,700
Your reaction to something and
your perspective of something is

766
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:18,500
important.
It's a part of the picture, it's

767
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,500
part of the picture.
So the fact you thought that is

768
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,400
usually probably a projection of
the general idea of societal

769
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,100
expectations of men and women I
put it on your children like

770
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,400
there's a reason you thought
that is because you've lived in

771
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,300
that structure.
So completely understand what

772
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,400
you're saying I think it's hard
to tell isn't it without you

773
00:35:34,408 --> 00:35:37,300
know, if it was a female student
who they never seen before

774
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:38,900
because you said yourself, they
never seen you before.

775
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,300
Yeah.
Would they have still been

776
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:42,400
reluctant to leave a child?
Because, to be honest with you

777
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:44,900
we shouldn't be leaving chart.
Unsupervised anyway, and if

778
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,700
you're unsure about another
adult or who they are, it's

779
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:50,300
probably just very sensible.
So, actually, okay.

780
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,300
Yeah, well, it will be.
I think that's the right.

781
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,100
I completely understand.
I think that's probably

782
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,700
genuinely what happened but like
you said because I already have

783
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,400
maybe this preconceived idea
like that almost like I've got

784
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,400
to challenge this and show that
I'm just a normal person I just

785
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,900
maybe put that on but you know
it was an experience nonetheless

786
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:09,300
and it made me think about that
particular element of, you know,

787
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:10,700
the pros and cons of being a
man.

788
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,700
So what I'm going to do, I'm
going to fire Um tropes that you

789
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,100
some kind of stereotypes that
we've experienced.

790
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:21,200
As my teachers, I want to tell
you I want you to reflect on

791
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,100
them and say how true you think
they are okay?

792
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:25,500
And whether you've experienced
them on again, all right?

793
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,400
Yeah, okay.
So number one, as the male

794
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,700
primary school teacher, you are
by default the person who puts

795
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:33,500
away the chairs and assembly.
Yep.

796
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,300
Easy move on.
I'll check it.

797
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,200
No, I actually I actually have
not experienced that genuinely

798
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,900
no, I don't do much either, they
everyone mocks in.

799
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:44,700
It's a bit of a Is that right?
These are truck.

800
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:45,900
These aren't things we've
experienced by.

801
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:47,400
These are like classic you for
it?

802
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,300
Yeah, cool.
Cool.

803
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,300
Now that I think that one's,
that one's I can dismiss that

804
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:51,600
one.
What's your next one?

805
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,200
Okay, here's a really
interesting one because

806
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,800
completely inappropriate the
other way around and I hate

807
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,500
falling into the Trap of going,
well, over.

808
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:00,900
That was a woman.
We'd be saying it was this,

809
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:03,300
like, I hate that because it is
just an unfair comparison, half

810
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:04,200
the time.
It's lazy.

811
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,700
It's stupid.
There are some things swapped

812
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:08,300
around that are different, quite
simple.

813
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,000
But here is one.
Okay?

814
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,500
Having an older older because is
older than this.

815
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:17,700
Rope, an older member of a
female member of Staff touch you

816
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:21,700
on your body somewhere and say,
oh, strapping young man.

817
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,100
I mean, I have not personally
experienced that but that's

818
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:26,100
pretty course.
You haven't, you're not a

819
00:37:26,107 --> 00:37:32,300
strapping them, God damn it,
he's got me there, but the idea

820
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,900
that the idea that's like that
you, your body is something to

821
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:37,300
be common.
Today, I'm going to be honest

822
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,200
with you, I think it is widely
accepted and culture, that that

823
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,100
is absolutely acceptable that
way around and not the other way

824
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:43,600
to play.
I think that's a huge.

825
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:47,100
Huge gender bias in general.
I'm not even just about the

826
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:50,400
school's really.
So I'm not surprised because I

827
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,000
do think generally men's bodies
are bit more disposable, a bit

828
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,700
less intimate, and Cat and those
kind of comments and things can

829
00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:00,700
be gotten away with, you know,
again, I don't think people are

830
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,100
go out of the way to be like,
I'm going to sexually assault

831
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,000
this person.
Like or say something.

832
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,300
Totally inappropriate, I don't
need anyone.

833
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,300
Does that?
But I think people would

834
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:12,600
naturally would feel less uneasy
about saying it to a man than

835
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,900
they would do other way around.
And yeah, I think, like our

836
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:18,700
reactions to them, probably
helped that and perpetuate that

837
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,900
because I know personally, it
was happened to me before I'm

838
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,700
more than happy to laugh.
That kind of thing off because I

839
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:24,800
don't think I don't take it
seriously.

840
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:28,400
Yeah and I think the idea of,
you know, it's the physical

841
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,000
presence of things is also a
thing.

842
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,300
Imagine me saying something very
similar to maybe a woman who's

843
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,900
far more diminutive and I'm
saying that kind of thing as a

844
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:39,300
joke.
That's automatically

845
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:40,900
intimidating.
It would get like that but

846
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,300
there's no way the other way
around.

847
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,500
It's not intimidating at all.
You know, it might be an

848
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:46,400
appropriate and it is worth
flagging up, still?

849
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,900
You can't pretend that it's
acceptable.

850
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,400
Especially if it's made, you
feel uncomfortable and that does

851
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,400
play into like the traditional
rice, all right?

852
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,300
Your blood sugar over it.
It's all right.

853
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,900
But you know, I've come into
school before it was dress-up

854
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,100
day for something.
I came in as a lifeguard.

855
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,900
I can't remember.
I think it was, I can't remember

856
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,300
some still water safety, I can't
remember, but I was a lifeguard

857
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,600
wearing red shorts and the other
top, and I got two or three

858
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,000
comments throughout the day
about my legs.

859
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:10,900
Hmm.
Like and obviously their

860
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,100
compliment.
But but but this this This idea

861
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:17,100
of just like what makes you
think you can say that.

862
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:20,900
Like, I'm a, I'm a teacher.
I've come in like, suitably

863
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:23,900
dressed for a dress-up day.
Like what?

864
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:26,100
I'm sorry, what actually makes
you think that you can just say,

865
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,500
whoa, look at those legs though.
I taste it.

866
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:29,900
You know, it's completely
inappropriate.

867
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,100
Now that you said that, that
that has literally happened to

868
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:33,600
me loads of times.
I didn't think about it.

869
00:39:33,607 --> 00:39:35,500
That's how rooted in.
Like I was just normal.

870
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:38,300
It is to me and I tell you what,
it made me feel really

871
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,800
uncomfortable, I'd ever hear
what other for years ago, but

872
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,100
like it's happened in the most
Years as well.

873
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,900
And yeah, actually it did I
really didn't like it to the

874
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,400
point where I was super
self-conscious, the fact that I

875
00:39:49,408 --> 00:39:52,900
was wearing shorts in school
knowing that at least someone

876
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:55,000
was going to go, also check you
out, get your legs.

877
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000
All legs out.
I'm like, you please don't.

878
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,500
Because I what if you came in in
like a skirt when you normally

879
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,300
wear trousers, I wouldn't go all
check you out.

880
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:06,600
Got the got the old fashioned,
the old cars are you wouldn't do

881
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,900
it.
I just wouldn't do it because I

882
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:12,000
think that's inappropriate.
No way I did, and no matter what

883
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,300
you think about like the power
Dynamic and stuff and the idea I

884
00:40:14,308 --> 00:40:16,300
still think they're different.
I don't think there are quite a

885
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:19,700
ball just because of societal
structures and stuff, it's still

886
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:21,700
inappropriate.
Like that's that's Annex like

887
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,300
that is undeniable right there
to say to that in a place of

888
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,200
work.
I just I just think don't do

889
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,600
that.
It doesn't like and it doesn't

890
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,600
matter that are sat there.
Like posing Alexei my leg

891
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,100
muscles in a mirror, it doesn't
matter if I would have fixed my

892
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,900
leg muscles and show off to
myself, you shouldn't go in for

893
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:40,500
a minute.
Perfect accompaniment on that

894
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:43,200
and listen, if I ask them
directly, what they think of my

895
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,700
legs and they tell me, it's
still in a pretty sure I can

896
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:50,100
tell you but, but, but what I
will say is like it, you know,

897
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:53,100
personal opinion is kind of
irrelevant because genuinely

898
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,500
genuinely that there will be
some people who I have more of a

899
00:40:56,508 --> 00:40:59,000
personal relationship with
genuinely who, if they

900
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,800
genuinely, I know you love
leaving.

901
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
I love saying that word, but
that some people, I maybe have

902
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,800
more relationship with.
And just me, personally, I

903
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,700
wouldn't take something like
that further.

904
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,100
I feel like I could Tongue &
Cheek, that's my personal

905
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,900
opinion but actually on the
broad level of discussing this.

906
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:16,300
It is a relevant like again,
like we said before my

907
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:19,100
individual aspect on, that
doesn't mean it's suddenly

908
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,000
appropriate or not.
I just think you have to be

909
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,800
careful of that kind of thing
because like you said, it could

910
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,900
make someone else feel
uncomfortable, read the room.

911
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,500
Know your relationship with
people and just on the side of

912
00:41:27,508 --> 00:41:29,600
caution whether they're male or
not really.

913
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:32,300
So it's all about a few things.
We've talked about the kind of

914
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:36,500
like, cultural bias from parents
and how we just naturally get

915
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:38,900
treated differently from parents
and you know, that sort of thing

916
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,600
which I think is it is more of a
privilege, it generally makes

917
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,600
our lives easier.
We talked about the whole like

918
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,700
managerial level, get into the
higher level again, bit more of

919
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:47,900
a privilege.
If you want to use that

920
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:50,700
privilege.
I think we've had the kind of

921
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:53,200
negative connotations as well of
like all.

922
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:57,000
But you are a man though.
So gotta be more careful but a

923
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,200
bit of a con for me.
I've got another thing that I

924
00:41:59,207 --> 00:42:01,300
jotted down as a note and I
don't know if you've seen this

925
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:05,400
too much, so that we know if
it's a huge thing, but generally

926
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,200
being put in higher year groups,
I don't know if I did if you've

927
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,400
noticed that but when I've gone
around schools because I've, you

928
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,400
know, we visited lots of schools
in our time.

929
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,000
I am, I am shocked.
If I see a male teacher in,

930
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,700
like, you're one or reception
and then, that's me as a male

931
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:23,900
teacher, I my all male teacher
in reception like even I'm

932
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:27,000
surprised and and it did make me
think oh actually I always see.

933
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,900
Your 6th is always see a six
teachers that are male Is that

934
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:32,300
it?
Do you think there's a thing

935
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:34,400
there like a correlation?
Or is it just my slanted?

936
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:38,900
But I think I absolutely agree
with you and I think that it's

937
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:41,400
kind of linked to what we said
about positions of power before.

938
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,100
Because whether we like it or
not, there is this hierarchical

939
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,400
idea with a lot of people that,
you know, year 6 is like the

940
00:42:47,408 --> 00:42:49,300
culmination of the whole
experience.

941
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:51,000
They've got to get through sat
there is this?

942
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Just like there is just this
idea.

943
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,100
Now, I don't think that's true
that just because you're in year

944
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,600
six, you're seen as the best
teacher or the best teacher.

945
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,200
I don't believe that.
But I think subconsciously on

946
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,700
the whole macro level, we're
clearly seeing it.

947
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,200
And what were also seeing is not
only that bias towards that the

948
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,900
male teachers being put in that
position of what seen as more

949
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:11,600
powerful and the higher up in
the air group and more, you

950
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,600
know, pressure and to deliver I
think what we also see is that

951
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,400
idea that women being more
maternal and caring and and more

952
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,100
suited to the younger age group,
when I tell you what, my

953
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,900
goodness the teaching that goes
into early years and year one

954
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:30,200
and two is outstanding like I am
in awe of these of those Those

955
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,500
women who are predominantly
women and I'd be really

956
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,700
interested actually, see a
percentage spread because of

957
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:38,200
that 15% I reckon the number of
year six teachers I bet it's

958
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
higher than 15%.
Yeah I reckon that's more like

959
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,100
the headteacher one.
I reckon it's more like twenty

960
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:46,200
six percent of your six teachers
I like males and and way way

961
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,400
less lower down.
Yeah it's interesting just

962
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,900
thought was worth bringing up.
Well I had that when I went to

963
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:51,500
yeah.
Sorry.

964
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,600
So I went oh we got put into u3
and there was widespread shock,

965
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,900
you know, because they're the
reason for me being to you three

966
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,400
that your group there was Well
explained it was because this it

967
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,800
was because of that.
And we think that we you'd be

968
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,000
well suited there to help with
this cohort, blah blah, blah.

969
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
But on the surface level.
When I say I'm going to you,

970
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,000
three people are what what
you're going to use three.

971
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,800
You belong to shock your man.
I'm out of a man.

972
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,500
How are you going to deal with
young children?

973
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,300
Yeah, men don't like little
kids.

974
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,100
They like having a bit of a
rough and tumble with the older

975
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:24,600
ones today.
We gonna go.

976
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,500
How you gonna do blow dart.
Mass times tables.

977
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,800
Uncle was it have another time?
Yeah.

978
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:32,400
God, I love how my career
basically just his exact.

979
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,700
That thing I've just ended up in
your six and now I'm just stuck

980
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:36,400
there.
It's just classic.

981
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,400
I have got though.
One more comparison.

982
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,400
Maybe we could kind of finish.
All right, very quickly.

983
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:50,500
So what I find really
interesting is and it's again my

984
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:54,000
experience and it's based on a
fact, I hate this policy.

985
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,700
I hate it with a passion.
I already know it's going to be

986
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:02,200
a go on.
There is Such a discrepancy and,

987
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,300
and there's pros and cons here.
I remember, you've argued with

988
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:07,600
me saying, this is a pro for
men, but I think it's a common

989
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,300
cause I hate wearing it is that
uniform and what's expected of

990
00:45:10,308 --> 00:45:15,200
wearing, okay, I think there is
such a discrepancy but I feel so

991
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,100
uncomfortable raising it because
I don't because I fear that

992
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,100
women will have to change what
they're wearing and that's not

993
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:22,800
what I want.
I just want me to be able to

994
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,300
change what I'm wearing.
So men, what widely are expected

995
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:30,700
to wear a collared shirts, smart
trousers belt, My shoes.

996
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,900
Yeah in school.
Yep.

997
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,500
Office where for a job, which is
not an office job.

998
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,400
We're not sad desk.
We're not making presentations

999
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,400
to like six people in a
boardroom we are Hands-On

1000
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,600
walking around the room.
It's incredibly uncomfortable.

1001
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,000
It is not a nice thing to we're
actually more powerful than the

1002
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,600
side.
I'm dreading it, I'm treading

1003
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,900
it, I'm dreading next time
because I hate it.

1004
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,000
It's horrible.
And I hate wearing dress where

1005
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,600
and then I can't help but feel
annoyed.

1006
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,100
Not at the women because good on
them where what's comfortable

1007
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:04,900
when I walk in and they're
wearing a vest?

1008
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:06,900
Top sandals and Leggins.
Yeah.

1009
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,200
And I'm just like, I'm like,
sorry if I turned up in the

1010
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,200
equivalent of that there would
be outrageous.

1011
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,100
I don't know.
There's all this thing.

1012
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,300
Always this thing about, you
know, expectations of, you know

1013
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:20,900
what women are supposed to wear
when they're forced to wear

1014
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:22,200
heels.
There was that thing from Virgin

1015
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,900
Atlantic.
Wasn't there, where they there

1016
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:26,300
was this whole argument about
there being forced to wear red

1017
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,700
heels, the men didn't have to
wear heels hot, obviously

1018
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:31,100
horrible horribly uncomfortable.
Not Equitable.

1019
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,900
And in general, the dress code
is not Equitable.

1020
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,700
It's just not at all like the
level of smartness and in my

1021
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:43,300
case equals uncomfortable is way
skewed in my opinion.

1022
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,300
So, don't you think this is the
one work place where women have

1023
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:46,700
got the edges it?
Because, I don't know.

1024
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:50,000
You said that I'm thinking that
so many, so many cases in their

1025
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,200
women, not being allowed to wear
particular things in sports in

1026
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,100
jobs.
And it's like what?

1027
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:56,800
Why, why do we?
Why we've been forced to wear

1028
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,000
this thing but yeah there.
Yeah, the shoes on the other

1029
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,700
foot here II agree.
II do actually great.

1030
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,300
I'm trying to think what Pro I
ever actually sent to you.

1031
00:47:03,308 --> 00:47:06,000
I don't remember arguing this,
I'm gonna tell you what is you

1032
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,200
said to me once the pro was on?
I've seen this before and it's

1033
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,500
probably the legitimate, but I'm
talking about, my personal

1034
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:12,500
experience is like, way out
ways, this idea?

1035
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:16,000
Yeah, the pro is that.
Well, you know, men are men are

1036
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,900
wearing suits and they're forced
to wear suits because they're

1037
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:20,600
seen as, in a, in a position of
power, and they're coming across

1038
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,200
as way, more corporate and in
charge, whereas the women are

1039
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,800
way more casual around a nice
little cozy jumper, and then

1040
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,900
we're really more maternal, and
they're taken less seriously in

1041
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,500
Job, matano and loving, and
comfortable.

1042
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,400
Where's the man?
Wears a suit and he's in charge

1043
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,000
and he's business-driven.
And he's doing this and he's

1044
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,500
going to get the job and he's
going to get the promoter.

1045
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,500
You look more serious.
You probably get treated.

1046
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:40,300
Most.
Yeah, I can't.

1047
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,800
Imagine my point was being like,
yeah, so I want that.

1048
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:46,400
But I can imagine I get your
point was saying yeah it could

1049
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,600
be seen as a pro in that risk.
Yeah, for sure.

1050
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,500
But in on the whole though, I do
agree with you I think is kind

1051
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,400
of kind of weird really that
we've got this strange policy

1052
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,100
and I love how usually in the
school policies and I love how

1053
00:47:57,100 --> 00:48:00,700
this is just ignored.
It's usually I'll complain about

1054
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:04,000
things like I'm sweating and I'm
wearing, like, Chinos is about

1055
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,300
as not smart as I can get.
But even then, there's still

1056
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:12,500
trousers with a belt on and it's
like 30 degrees and primary

1057
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:13,700
schools.
Generally don't have air

1058
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:16,900
conditioning.
Can I please not wear this and

1059
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,200
it's like well you can wait
Taylor shorts and I'll always go

1060
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,600
back to it yet.
According never going to do

1061
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,600
that.
Can I please actually just wear

1062
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,800
some clothes that I want to wear
that aren't Taylor shorts and

1063
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,300
this isn't it?
Funny based on what we just said

1064
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:29,800
about comments, you get from
wearing shorts.

1065
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,700
We don't want to.
Yeah, we're gonna just, it's

1066
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,300
going to become a thing.
If we walked in tomorrow in to

1067
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,600
school, wearing tailored shorts,
how many, how many comments

1068
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,500
would we all?
It wouldn't be worth it because

1069
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:41,800
it was the mean, wouldn't even
die down after like a week.

1070
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,300
It would just be a constant joke
that we're in tailored shorts

1071
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,100
because we look stupid cause
yourself to wear smart shoes and

1072
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:48,500
I just generally don't like
that.

1073
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,900
I just don't like the look.
I've I want to have only come in

1074
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:52,200
shorts.
I want to come and trainers.

1075
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,600
You know, if the ladies can come
in leggings and flip-flops, I

1076
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,100
should be able to come in in
smart is short even like jean

1077
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,400
shorts or something.
NG and comfortable trainer.

1078
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,900
Where I just is, what is wrong
with that?

1079
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,000
You know, that.
I don't see the problem, but I

1080
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,700
think it also obviously, that
they won't, they won't learn

1081
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,700
that time.
Yeah, they won't, they won't

1082
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:13,100
take you seriously, man.
Teacher, what about her are?

1083
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:15,100
We don't care?
You just think.

1084
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,100
What about what are we getting
across here?

1085
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:21,000
We saying that is important that
we view men, as smart and

1086
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
authoritative.
And and that we don't care about

1087
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
women looking like that or we
saying we don't care about

1088
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,100
anyone because if that's the
thing then.

1089
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:29,600
Can we all just wear what we
want?

1090
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,500
Please I think it clearly just
has to be Equitable.

1091
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,700
That's the only thing in all
these situations where were

1092
00:49:34,707 --> 00:49:37,200
like, well, you know, there's
the staff didn't want to wear

1093
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,300
where, redhead red, high heels
on the flight because it's

1094
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:41,900
uncomfortable in the man gets
wear flat shoes.

1095
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,700
Clearly that's wrong, fairly
obviously.

1096
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,900
Okay, can I wear strappy top, ya
know what to see, where strap it

1097
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:52,000
all.
I'm sure, but can I know and

1098
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,200
why?
Because of my man, that's not

1099
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,300
good enough really, is it?
It's not if you really boil it

1100
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:57,900
down, it's not a good enough
reason.

1101
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,100
You quite often get policies for
hair as well.

1102
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,900
Well, so like we're in you have
like, um, in particular died

1103
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:05,900
colored hair or something, even
if it's just slightly like that

1104
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:08,600
or that's against the policy.
Whereas I shaved my head and no

1105
00:50:08,607 --> 00:50:12,000
one said a word.
So that's more in our favor, I

1106
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,400
guess, right.
Ah, we nearly got for a whole

1107
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,500
podcast about mentioned a
factual ball.

1108
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:19,800
There it goes.
Okay, last thing before we wrap

1109
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,300
this up, because we're gonna go
to a story, right?

1110
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,200
And it's just the fact I just
want your immediate thought and

1111
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,100
we're going to leave it there.
So hopefully people get the idea

1112
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,600
of what it's like being a male
teacher pros and cons and

1113
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,200
overall, I think, I agree.
It's a privilege.

1114
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,100
But there's still things that
just because it's a privilege,

1115
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:35,100
doesn't mean there aren't
things.

1116
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,600
We can discuss and try and
improve.

1117
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:39,700
I think that's pretty obvious.
So here's my thought, my final

1118
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:44,200
thought does, the fact we are,
so female-dominated affect

1119
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,700
government policy and here's my
example.

1120
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:51,400
Why maternity pay from in the
police force male-dominated,

1121
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,200
we're trying to recruit more
female staff.

1122
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,900
Okay?
18 weeks full pay from eternity.

1123
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,800
When they go off, 18 weeks for I
pay teaching maternity leave for

1124
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,800
weeks for pay two weeks. 90%
before dropping down.

1125
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,800
Do you think that is a direct
result of the fact that far more

1126
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,200
teachers are female and
recruitment drives?

1127
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,600
And just the fact that it just
seems horribly unfair.

1128
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:19,400
What do you think my gut
feeling?

1129
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,100
They're good?
Because I've thought about this

1130
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:26,200
a lot is, yes, I think that is
obviously linked to the fact

1131
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,100
that it's, you know, it's 85
percent women doing this job.

1132
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:34,000
I have the worst maternity pay
ever and but I do think it's

1133
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,100
more.
So I think with this particular

1134
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:37,900
this government I'm not going to
give him any credit.

1135
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,300
I think it's more.
That that is their Baseline of

1136
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:44,900
actual care and the only reason
the police get more is just to

1137
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,800
incentivize women to come and do
it.

1138
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,300
I don't think they think that
that's actually the right

1139
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:49,500
amount.
They just want to get women in

1140
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:51,700
the police force.
I think they couldn't give a

1141
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:54,900
monkey's and actually, if they
could get away with it in the

1142
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:58,000
police force, they'd give them
four weeks full payment eternity

1143
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,900
as well.
Is my actual honest thoughts on

1144
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:01,400
that.
Yeah, I agree.

1145
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,000
It's outrageous and I just I
learned for the day where we

1146
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,200
make these decisions based on
what's good for the child and

1147
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,000
the family and not, what's good
for numbers, you know, maybe

1148
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,800
we'll get to that kind of
ideology one day but it a now

1149
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,000
you can't completely make it,
you know, paternal leave is two

1150
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,200
weeks, right?
Yeah, so do we we can't complain

1151
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,800
two weeks, you know?
That's going to keep us in a

1152
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,200
job.
Yeah.

1153
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,800
Where's the incentive for the
male teachers?

1154
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,700
What we getting 18 weeks of a?
It doesn't matter because we'll

1155
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:29,600
head teachers.
So we're just at the time.

1156
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:32,800
Brilliant right.
Let's do stories from the

1157
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,000
classroom.
After this short message which

1158
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
is just a jingle.
I'm going to call it a messy.

1159
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:44,000
Before we get into our story
from the classroom, which I know

1160
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,300
you're all gagging for.
We're going to now, tell you

1161
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:48,900
where you can get in touch
because we want to hear from

1162
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:51,800
you, get in touch with us.
Firstly, please follow us on

1163
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,100
Spotify, give us a rating, but
if you want to get in touch with

1164
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:55,600
social media, we want to hear
from you.

1165
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,500
Hayden said it last week, even
if it's just hello, we just want

1166
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,100
to get to know you guys who
listen to this podcast.

1167
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:04,000
So if you're like me and you
listen to stuff and you just

1168
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,200
kind of keep yourself to
yourself and you don't get in

1169
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,300
touch with people when they ask
you to please do, we're still a

1170
00:53:08,308 --> 00:53:11,000
small community, it's growing
but we want to hear from you.

1171
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,800
You you can find us on Instagram
at teach sleep, repeat podcast,

1172
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,400
you can email us at teach sleep,
repeat POD at gmail.com or you

1173
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,100
can text us if you've got our
number.

1174
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Wow, wow.
What a great addition.

1175
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:29,300
Whoa, which We're not gonna tell
you who guess I'll try to give

1176
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:32,700
you the first 207, okay?
Fill in the gaps and give us a

1177
00:53:32,707 --> 00:53:35,800
tip.
I give you my first 2 plus 4 so

1178
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,900
there we go.
First two numbers plus 40 plus

1179
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:41,000
go okay nice one.
Hey didn't you have a stalker?

1180
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:42,500
Story for us.
Let's hit it.

1181
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:44,100
What we got.
I do so stories in the

1182
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:45,900
classroom.
Someone's written this one in

1183
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,600
this week.
Telling you've not seen it.

1184
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,900
I'm going to read it to you live
on air.

1185
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,100
I noticed a boy in my class
looked like, he'd really caught

1186
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,500
the Sun.
So I asked if he'd spent lots of

1187
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:59,900
time outside doing the usual,
make sure to wear your son cream

1188
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:02,600
waffle.
His reply was a bit strange

1189
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,800
because he said, well, something
like that which is obviously an

1190
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,800
odd response to that question.
Being immediately intrigued.

1191
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:13,200
I asked him to clarify what he
meant.

1192
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,200
Have you been catching the Sun
or not?

1193
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Well, embarrassingly my mum's a
spray tan artist.

1194
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,900
So, at which point, I knew
exactly what happened.

1195
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:27,600
This young boy had asked his mom
to give him a fake tan for

1196
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:36,100
summer and she did it, love it.
I've got flashbacks immediately

1197
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,700
to a story that I've got from
when I was younger.

1198
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:42,600
I think I've told you God.
God, my mom had a friend.

1199
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:44,700
That's nice.
Who I think she didn't know she

1200
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:46,900
was an Australian doubt it.
But my friend, she lives in

1201
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:51,200
Australia and she's hairdresser.
Okay, and it was the classic,

1202
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,900
you know, mama had four kids, it
was summer holidays.

1203
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:57,300
Like, you just find like someone
to latch onto she has three kids

1204
00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:59,400
and we just, like, spend the day
together really like all

1205
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,500
together.
And what was It for me was I've

1206
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:03,600
got three sisters and she has
three daughters so it was means

1207
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,200
six girls that were all younger
than me so you can tell you

1208
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,200
still love spending my Summers
listening to and watching them

1209
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,800
do dancing and stuff.
It was anyway, scarred for life

1210
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,000
but the point being that she was
a hairdresser so she used to cut

1211
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,100
my mom's hair and my sisters
here.

1212
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,700
Does she understand on?
I'm sure she cut men.

1213
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,900
Hit male hair as well but she
never cut my hair anyway.

1214
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,300
This was the lot one of the last
days of the summer holidays,

1215
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,300
okay?
And she was dying while a

1216
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:32,800
blonde.
And, and it got to the point

1217
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:33,600
where it's coming towards the
end.

1218
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,000
She had some of the dye left and
my mom said I would tell them

1219
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,500
why don't you get some blond
highlights?

1220
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:40,800
Crippling like, you know, I've
barely gel my hair at this

1221
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,300
point.
It took me until at least 7 to

1222
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,200
put some product in my hair
because I was so, like anxious

1223
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,600
about oh well, look weird.
And I don't want to do that.

1224
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:49,200
Anyway, said no said, no, they
convinced me to do it.

1225
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,200
She's our hearts.
All right, mate.

1226
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,500
You can come over here and put a
little hole on your hair.

1227
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:54,300
Look really amazing.
Really cool characters.

1228
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,800
Me do her accent by the way.
From Australia.

1229
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,100
Anyway.
So eventually we get it done

1230
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,000
like fine.
Okay.

1231
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,700
Does Whole my whole head and it
just goes Ginger like really

1232
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:06,800
dark orange like nowhere near
blond.

1233
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,800
Just really really Ginger.
Another oh my gosh went home and

1234
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,100
as I say, okay, I wish I could
part with it woke up in the

1235
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:14,100
morning.
Huge anxiety.

1236
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:17,200
I gotta go to school like this.
I look like a liar and I can't

1237
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,000
do it.
Orange Ed, my mommy, got in the

1238
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
car, my she kind of just go, you
guys just got come on.

1239
00:56:23,207 --> 00:56:26,000
You got into school, got in the
car and I was like cry borrow.

1240
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,600
I got it.
Does it right?

1241
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,600
Come on, then she got me out.
Got The Clippers number one,

1242
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:34,900
shaved it all off and the sad
thing was, you could still see

1243
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:37,400
the orange yellow patches of
orange all over.

1244
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,300
It's so good, remember it?
So vividly, not only have you

1245
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:45,400
just completely Trump the story
that was written in sorry, guys.

1246
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:50,900
You've also now turned away any
viewers that have red hair away.

1247
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:54,700
So off of the royalists with
lost all the Tories, we've now

1248
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:56,400
lost all the red hair via our
viewers.

1249
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,300
I'm very sorry, our audience is
getting smaller and smaller but

1250
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:03,700
Nothing wrong with red hair.
I just didn't want.

1251
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:08,900
I just personally hate it.
That's pretty good.

1252
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:10,900
I love that.
You say, you are then not only

1253
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,500
shaved head but also it still
looks orange.

1254
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:14,600
So you were just like, double,
what?

1255
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,200
Shaved head.
I looked like white.

1256
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,100
This is what my head look like.
You're ready, your fingers after

1257
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:26,500
you've eaten a bag of w, it Is
that orange tinge but

1258
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:29,200
hot-headed.
Yeah, nice.

1259
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,700
Nice love that.
So, thanks to the story viewer

1260
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:33,800
because what it did was, it made
me remember even best.

1261
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:39,800
Also always send you stories in.
It's just please do send them

1262
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,100
in, we loved to hear him.
We love to read them out and it

1263
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,200
might remind us of funny stuff
or right, Hayden.

1264
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,800
I hope you have an amazing time
on your residential.

1265
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,300
Get some amazing Stories will be
back next week.

1266
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:53,000
I'll be all about that.
So if you Many stories from your

1267
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,500
time residential, whether it's
from, as a teacher, put in for

1268
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:57,600
you or when you are in
residential at school.

1269
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,100
Yeah.
Primary or secondary any Amazing

1270
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:03,400
Stories get in touch with us and
we'll, hopefully share them next

1271
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,500
time.
I'm just saying this till I'm

1272
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,100
leaving at this.
Last last thing, I have got a

1273
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:10,700
banging story from when I was on
residential on your six and I'll

1274
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:12,300
save it for next time.
Amazing.

1275
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:14,100
Right guys.
Thanks a lot for listening or

1276
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,600
watching.
We'll see you again next week.