Ep 116: Term-Time Holiday Absences, Toxic School Stories & Online Teacher Trolling!

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach the

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
Quick one, Hayden, before we get

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going.
At the start last week we were

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singing what we said was a Black
Eyed Peas.

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Oh yeah.
Oh my God.

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So my good friend Mr Need
Financial Planning messaged me

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very soon after that going.
I just love that Black Eyed Pea

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song.
That's definitely a Black Eyed

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Pea song by the Black Eyed Peas.
The album The End, which is one

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of my favourite Black Eyed Peas
songs ever.

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Oh my God.
And then underneath you sent me

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a Spotify link to an Usher song
featuring Will I Am Called.

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Oh my God, it's not.
It's not a Black Eyed Peas song.

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It's so much more embarrassing
considering how much conviction

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I sat here.
What I'm saying like, yeah, of

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course I'm a huge Black Eyed
Peas fan.

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It's from the end.
And actually those the albums

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before Monkey Business.
And I'm a huge Black Eyed fan.

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I know exactly what song.
This is Cheers.

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Need financial planning.
Who says Hayden?

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We don't correct ourselves.
We don't make mistakes, OK?

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It's the first time ever in 116
episodes we've made a mistake.

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Hang on now.
I can feel it bubbling up,

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though.
I can feel the teacher and me

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bubbling up.
What's that?

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I made that mistake on purpose,
guys, to see if you'd spot it,

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didn't I?
And you did.

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Well done you.
You get a Gold Star and you're

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going to miss your break.
Time for undermining me, Hayden.

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You have been away.
Yes.

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OK.
I'm going to talk about people

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might be thinking what have you
had last week off?

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I'm going to talk about the
whole structure of our school

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holidays in a second.
But you've been away.

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How was your week?
You went to Centre Parks.

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I did.
I went to the same same place

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that we went last year.
This time much better without

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you.
OK, was much better.

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Oh, how can I make this
experience even better than it

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was?
Not going with Dylan.

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Still took your partner and your
son.

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I'm joking.
That would be very strange now.

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I went to Santa Parks.
It was, it was at a really good

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week.
We took the grandparents first

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time we've done that.
Any, any, you know, parents, any

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veteran parents out there
listening who've done this

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before?
We are, we now know the benefits

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of going on holiday with the
grandparents because it did give

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us, you know, the odd bit of
time where we could just go and

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do something.
Where you can go and have your

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grossly overpaid dinner out at
Santa Bark.

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Can we?
I'm not going to moan too much

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about it because like, no one
wants to hear that the price of

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the food at Centre Parks is
disgusting.

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I've got to say that could be
the most middle class sentence

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I've ever heard anyone say.
The price of my meal out while

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the grandparents are looking
after my children was just

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extortionate at centre par.
I couldn't believe how much I

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paid for my poppadom spread.
Well, that squashed that, didn't

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it?
But yeah, it all it all knows.

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It was really nice.
The only thing I want to just

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laugh about because, you know,
obviously River is my daughter

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and Dylan knows her very well
because they they arrived today

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after a week of not seeing each
other, the children and.

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Miami and River.
Yeah, yeah, I've not seen each

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other for a whole week, but our
children haven't seen each other

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for a whole week and normally
they see each other quite a lot

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in the week.
And and River was unbelievably

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hyper.
Wasn't you downstairs just.

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Running around and around and
around, just getting so excited.

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Well, whilst we're away, you'll
be pleased to know that we

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booked a few things for her.
We were like, Josh, she's she's

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1 1/2 now.
We went last year.

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She's six months old, bit of a
potato, couldn't really do

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anything.
Yeah, there was a little potato

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class that she could join in on,
you know, put her in a little

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floaty thing in the pool and be
like, oh, look, she's swimming.

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She's not, she's not, she
doesn't even know she exists

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yet.
But this time we could book a

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couple of things.
And one of the things we booked

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was a little scooter group.
And it said like for one to

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three-year olds, we're like
perfect scooters.

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All these kids, all these kids
about six of us turn up.

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Guy shows us how to use the
scooters with kids listening

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Rivers like wants to get away
and want to run like a badminton

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court.
So she was gonna look at the net

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and spend zero time on the
scooter.

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She wouldn't go on it.
All she wanted to do was run

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around and around the court
counting all these little air

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vents.
She just got them and bop it,

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goes to the next one, bop it.
Do you want to play on the

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scooter?
They call these kids having fun

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on the scooters they're scooting
around.

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It looks really fun.
Go and bop all the vents around

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over again.
Does she get this from?

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I don't know, I don't.
I just can't put my.

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Finger on it, I don't know.
I think it's from my.

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Mum, it must be, It must be.
From my mum.

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Well, grandparents, yeah.
No weird, weird obsessive

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behaviour.
Yeah.

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Don't know God?
Repetitive.

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I sat there thinking we just
paid for an expensive, we'll

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just pay for this expensive
class and she just wants to go

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around and bop vents.
Yeah, where's, where does that

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rank amongst my dinner out my
grandparents?

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Looking after my child at Centre
Parks was very expensive to.

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I shout out all of this for a
scooter class with six other

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children and all she wanted to
do was go around the Paddington

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Court.
The most middle class thing I've

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ever heard anyone say.
Oh, now I can understand why my

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friends took the Mick when I
said I was going to send.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, of course.

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I mean, look, look, it's it's
like the whole thing about when

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people shop at Waitrose and M&S
and things like that.

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So, oh, it's so middle class.
I'm like, yeah, it's true.

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It's also, it's nice time.
It was nice.

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It was nice, yeah.
But yeah, the only reason,

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again, the reason why we didn't,
we went last year, but not this

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year.
My partner's a teacher and most

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schools were back last week,
including my partner's school.

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My partner was working last
week.

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That's why we couldn't come
because our school does this

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thing where all of the inset
days there are 5 for anyone who

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isn't sure across the year where
you get 5 teacher training days.

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And just to clarify for people,
this was introduced in 1988,

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this idea of the of teacher
training days and five were

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added and it was taken away from
teachers holidays.

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So before INSET days, children
had 190 days in school, and

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after INSET days, children still
had 190 days in school.

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But these five INSET days were
added where teachers were

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expected to come along and do
their training.

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Oh, OK.
So yeah, it's a lot of people

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get misunderstanding of INSET
days and they get quite

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frustrated at teachers.
Classic.

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Another five days.
Off.

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Well, maybe we'll talk about
that later on with people

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getting annoyed at teachers
without knowing what on earth

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they're talking about.
But yeah, like, you know, inset

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days might be annoying for
parents sometimes think, oh,

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this odd day has got extra
childcare.

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It's actually the same amount of
childcare that you had before

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inset days existed.
Anyway, our school, we put all

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of our INSET days together and
it's quite common for inset

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days, one just to be put in the
end of 1/2 term, maybe a couple.

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I know at the end of this year
we have a random Monday, Tuesday

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to finish off.
So a lot of schools will finish

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on that Friday and those two
days will be down as inset days.

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Our school won't do that.
We'll have that Monday, Tuesday

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in school because we take all
our five and put them in a

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consolidated week after the half
term we've just had.

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So we get an extra week off.
And I was just going to say I

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think that is a much better way
of doing it because the way we

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make up that time, it's not like
we're in school for five days

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straight doing training every
day.

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Obviously you're in centre parks
getting your overpriced Indian

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meal.
What we do is we do extra

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twilight meetings that go on a
bit later throughout the year.

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A lot of our teachers run clubs
in school, which again is

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they're asked to do, but then
the pay off is that you get that

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time back.
I think it's a much better way

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of doing it.
Personally.

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I think it's better for parents
of children to have that

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consolidated week where they
just know they've got another

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week of childcare to sort out
rather than sporadic days every

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now and then.
And also, from my point of view,

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I spent last week nowhere near
the whole week.

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In fact, I did it all in less
than a day.

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Get my reports done.
Nice.

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So from my point of view, I
think it's a really nice way of

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doing things because I'm fully,
fully rested because I've got a

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couple of weeks where I can do
the work I need to do and still

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have a break.
If it was just one week, I

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wouldn't be able to get all of
my work done and properly rested

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in the details, right?
Exactly.

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That's why the last term is so
exhausting, because you've got

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so much to get ready for.
My, my whole point here

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essentially, is that I think
it's the right thing to do.

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I think it's a good way to go
about it.

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And I want to know what you
think in terms of is the payoff

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better or worse having to work
later for a few weeks in the

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year and and that time back
essentially, is that stress

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worth getting the extra week
off?

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Honestly, there's one thing that
makes it worth it for me alone

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and and that's just like all the
all the other points you made

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are on top of that for me.
It's it's a cheap holiday,

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right?
Honestly, like if you think

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about it, I know everyone's you
know, we'll talk about these

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TikTok comments later where all
our teachers so hard done by.

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Well, do you know what, in terms
of going on holiday, yeah, we

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get loads of holiday off, but it
is exclusively the most

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expensive parts of the year
because it's the school

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holidays.
So having an extra week

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somewhere.
And I know the schools do it in

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different weeks, different like
parts of the school year does

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just allow families and teachers
with families to just have a

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week where they can go on
holiday at a normal price like

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everybody else does.
So that's that's quite good, so.

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Comparing like when you booked
centre parts, for example, what

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is like the price difference
then in terms of because if if

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we wanted to go away and maybe
in term time for whatever

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reason, what how much more does
it cost?

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I can tell you right now, Dylan,
because I.

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I looked at the week before,
which would have been in the

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school holidays, and I looked at
the week that we went and the

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price difference.
Right.

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I think you're going to be
shocked.

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I'll tell you the exact prices
that we paid.

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So for a cabin with three rooms,
so us, our grandparents and we

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had a spare room for river to
sleep in.

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It was £600 from Monday to
Friday.

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What when you went in term time?
For, for us to go in term time

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that week after the school
holidays, which I think is a

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very reasonable price for a week
of a cabin.

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I was like, that's fair enough.
For five people.

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Yeah, for five people, yeah,
exactly.

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When you split the cost,
obviously they paid half.

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We paid half, £300 for a week at
Centrepark.

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So I was like, that's not bad,
that's not bad.

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The week before 1600, Oh my God.
The same cabin.

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Same cabin.
The exact same cabin.

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One week before in school
holidays was 1000 lbs more.

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How how do you what what is
there anything we can do about

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this?
Essentially, what what do you

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what's going on?
Because obviously it's supply

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and demand.
Of course more people want to

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go.
That's the way the system works.

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It's where everyone becomes a
socialist when you want to talk

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about holidays and stuff in
time, time, but, but you know,

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but how do we go about fixing
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Or is it just the way it is?
I don't know.

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I, I don't think we have a will,
but in my head all I can ever

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think of is there has to be a
cap.

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Surely there's got to be a cap
on stuff.

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You know how we'd have a
windfall tax on like during

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COVID when you know people would
have taken the Mick out of oil

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prices?
And stuff.

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There's got to be a point where
it's like if they can sell me

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that holiday for £600 and make
profit if they sell it to

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someone a week before for 1600
lbs, like are we all just going

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to be like, yeah, they just get
to make 1000 lbs more profit per

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per per family extortion just
Cos like all supply and demand.

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That's how, yeah, I know that's
how it works.

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We all know how supply and
demand works.

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But we can also just, we could
just put hard caps and stuff.

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Yeah, it's OK.
You know, you can't make more

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than 5000% profit.
There's got to be a limit

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somewhere that we could just say
for the for the in the best

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interest of literally every
family ever because all of their

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children go to school at the
exact same time in term time.

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Here's the school holiday cap.
Yeah, OK.

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It's a little bit more expensive
because because the supply and

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demand is vastly different.
There's a lot more people

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wanting to go in school
holidays, obviously, but there

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is some protection built in.
We have protections in all other

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sorts of financial elements of
life.

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Why can't be a protection in
this company Yeah, you're not

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allowed to you you can't charge
more than this.

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We can see your profit margins.
You'd be happy charging 600 LB

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three days later so you can
charge up to 1000 LB and that's.

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It do you think that maybe
potentially it's this idea of

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they're not really making much
money in time and time and they

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fill their boots in this half
time, which is why it's cheaper.

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They just, it's better to get
people through the door and make

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some money.
Like is, is it realistic?

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This is what I want to ask, is
it, is it realistic when people

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say let's just, you know, cap it
and, and make sure these

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companies legally can't have
that much money?

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Is is that OK to?
Do I don't know, because you're

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probably right.
The counter argument is probably

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going to be that the £600 is too
cheap and the other one's too

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expensive and if we did do this
sort of thing then everyone will

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be paying 1000 lbs sure and and
the cap maybe goes up to 1200

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and it brings everything up a
little bit because perhaps the

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average cost the year despite
there only being what?

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How many weeks holiday a year?
13 weeks holiday?

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School holidays only, but you
know it.

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Doesn't mean it's about.
I think it's about 1/4, Yeah,

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isn't it?
It's about 1/4 of the.

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Year quarter, but it doesn't
mean that 3/4 of the year then

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like if if we do go on the
narrative that they're or

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they're just they're not even
making money on those, is that

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what they're not?
They're not making money for 3/4

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of the year.
Maybe of course they are.

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Then maybe, maybe it averages
out because the profit is so

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vast in the in those other
weeks.

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I don't know.
But it is annoying though just

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to think that you can't do that.
The same thing happened with,

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you know, the Oasis tour that's
happening this year and Beyoncé

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and stuff like that.
This this whole day of search

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pricing where basically there
was no set price for this stuff.

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It was just like the algorithm
worked out that there's X amount

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of people trying to buy tickets
right now.

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It so it whacked the prices up
to an amount of money it thinks

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would sell and then it just
basically adjusted as it went to

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get the most money per person
based on supply.

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I didn't know that.
Yeah.

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So there were people who like,
you know, with the queue for

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like Oasis tickets and stuff was
like 7 hours.

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So you're waiting.
So there were there were people

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who are waiting, I'm waiting,
I'm waiting.

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And finally got in and they
found out the ticket prices were

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like £600, like like 5 times
more than they thought they were

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going to spend on it because of
this surge pricing.

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But once they're in there waited
for seven hours, they know this

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is their only opportunity to
just go to it again.

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They just buy it.
And it's this idea of just like,

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yeah, well, let's look.
It's just what the market

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commands.
It's just that we need to spend

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this much money when we go away
and it's fine.

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And parents should be really,
really shouted at for taking

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their children out when it comes
to school because why else would

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they?
Because they've just saved

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£1000.
Are you insane?

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Any parent in their right mind
will take their child out of

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school for a week to enjoy some
time together.

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Why else are we on this planet
if not to enjoy some time

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together with our loved ones?
If it's going to save me 1000

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lbs, which means I can feed my
children more adequately for the

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rest of the year, then I'm going
to do it.

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And it's like, oh, but it's
just, it's just the luxury that

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people have.
You can just not go on holiday.

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Yeah, of course I can just not
go on holiday.

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I can also work 80 hours a week
and never see my kids.

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What's the point of life if not
to try and get these things?

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Why am I working in the 1st
place if not to go and do nice

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things with my family?
Of course I'm going to do that

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if it means I take an 80 LB fine
off the school because I've

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taken my child out of ancient
Romans for a week.

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I'm literally a teacher and I
couldn't.

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I love it when my kids go away.
I don't care like I I'm so far

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the other side, if it's
repeated, if there's an issue

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there, if there's a mental
mental illness issue with the

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parents and they they can't,
they struggle to get out of bed

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in the morning and they're not
going to work themselves.

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That's an issue we can try and
tackle.

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That's different.
That is an issue that I'm not

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saying is right or wrong in this
situation.

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What I'm saying is 95% of the
time if the children want to go

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on holiday once one time in the
school year for a week, it's

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fine of.
Course it is.

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Of course it's absolutely fine.
Well, funnily enough I spoke to

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because obviously it wasn't as
busy there.

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So was with a playground area
and there was another family

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just, you know, being dad's got
chatting, chatting away to this

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guy.
Oh, you BBQ guy.

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Yeah, very quickly went to golf.
He was like, where'd you go?

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Where do you live?
There was a Margate area.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
They did a golf course around

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there.
They did the Masters at once.

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I came and saw that.
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah.

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No idea.
No idea what you're talking

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about Pretending I'm I'm
standing there like pretending

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to swing pretends to swing.
Yeah, they'll flour.

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Yeah, they'll flour.
Fix the burgers nice even it

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they'll flour it does.
Yeah, I remember, yeah, I got a

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really good power on that, of
course, when I was playing that

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time with the clubs.
I love how for that whole time

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you're pretending to swing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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On a podcast.
Yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely.
Listen, a lot of people watch

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it, you know, so I'm given a
visual entertainment.

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But anyway, chance of this guy
and he and his kid was was like

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3 1/2 coming up before and they
said, oh, this will be our last

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one because next year he'll be
in school.

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And I could just see the look of
like in his face because he's

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like, yeah, can't do anymore.
He'll be at school.

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I was like, you just could
though, couldn't you?

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Yeah, I was like, I was like,
I'm a teacher.

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I'm telling you right now, it'd
be all right for one week.

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Honestly, if you if choices are
not going on all day at all or

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take them out for one week, take
them out for one week.

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Honestly, just just whatever.
There are people listening to

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this right now.
Yeah, Right.

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Genuinely listen.
Listen to it now.

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And they'll be frothing at the
mouth.

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And Lloyd.
Yeah.

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Fuming.
OK.

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How can you justify it then to
those people who who are so, so

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angry at the idea that we can
take children out of school

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because it's the most important
thing in the world?

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How, as teachers, can we sit
here and justify doing that then

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and at the same time say how
important school is and how

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vital it is and how every second
counts can both exist?

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Yeah.
Do you know what, in the same

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way you were teacher listening
to that and you went on strike

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and you also think it's terrible
that parents take their kids

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out.
Just remember that we're OK

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justifying a couple of days off
school and we wanted to go on

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strike and just apply the same
logic.

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Honestly, I don't, I don't
really want to go.

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It's just patronising to explain
it.

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It's just just think, just think
about it.

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It's really not that.
It's not patronising though,

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because it's really important.
I think.

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I think you've made such a good
point that I didn't even think

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about because we sit here and I
will happily justify people why

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we went on strike and justify
children having fewer lessons

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that week.
Because the overall overarching

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point is that eventually we're
fighting for more money for

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everyone, more funding for the
children, better paid profession

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to keep good teachers in the
job.

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We can see that like kind of
wider picture.

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So when a child wants to go away
from one week, I'm not even

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sitting here saying all it's
culturally enriching to sit in a

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Benidorm.
Like people are like, that's not

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culturally enriching.
No, it's not.

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It's just fun.
It's just enjoyable and it's

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just nice time with your family.
And you're absolutely right.

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If the choice is either don't go
on holiday at all or go on

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holiday in time and time you
miss a week of school, goodness

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me, go on holiday like the
people who who hate that.

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And I just, I just disagree with
you completely.

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Don't sacrifice this part of
what we live for, which is

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having these like moments with
our children.

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If you want to go on holiday,
it's OK.

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It is just OK.
Yeah, I agree.

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Yeah, I don't, I don't honestly
don't have much more to say

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about it.
It's just it's fine.

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Just we'll just wait up, wait
up.

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It's all right.
That'll be all right.

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And we only really, I think
people only really get annoyed

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at the fringe examples at the
extreme ones.

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And I do as well in all honesty,
like I've had kids before in the

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my years, in my 10 years of
teaching.

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One more year than you where
where they have been on holiday

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like honestly like 3-4 times in
a year term time to the point

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where I'm like, you've been on 4
holidays.

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Like it's probably not too much
for a price barrier.

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I don't know, I don't judge them
too much, but does start going

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to minor.
Maybe the pricing is not such a

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problem.
You have been on 4 holidays this

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year, they've missed loads.
And then they also go on holiday

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on in Sats week or something.
And I might like that.

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Then it starts to be like does
that.

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Mean.
But yeah, that's the thing.

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So it bothers me in terms of
when I have my teacher out on,

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I'm like thinking day-to-day to
day and all this sort of stuff.

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But then when I sit back and
think about the points I just

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made, it doesn't bother me that
much.

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So my my overarching point here
is you do just need to take a

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step back sometimes I think as a
teacher and be like, is it

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really that important?
Are we putting a little bit too

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much self importance into this?
Is like, really that holiday was

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way better than the maths and
English lessons you were going

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to give them that week.
I'm sorry but it just.

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Was and is it are are we just
playing that game?

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I think a lot of people are
playing the game of chucking

449
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,160
every example into one basket
and then saying we don't care

450
00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,480
about this whole basket.
It's just, it's just complete

451
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,200
nonsense.
It's a bit of nuance, OK.

452
00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,840
We're not saying we don't care
about the children who we really

453
00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,920
struggle to get into school.
We're not saying to those

454
00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:01,840
children, oh school's fine.
I've just said you can go to

455
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,360
Benidorm for a week.
There is such a false equivalent

456
00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:05,560
and not remotely what we're
saying.

457
00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,720
Just in general.
You know, if if a child in my

458
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,320
class went away to Centre Parks
for a week on the end of 1/2

459
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,920
term and came back a week later,
do you know what I'd say to him

460
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,600
on the Monday when I came back?
Hi.

461
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,440
Yeah.
Did you have a nice time?

462
00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,120
Yeah.
How was your holiday?

463
00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,120
Yeah, it was a good, nice one.
Well, we're doing this this

464
00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:21,240
week.
You missed a bit last week.

465
00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,840
Let's try and catch you up.
But if you don't, it's all good.

466
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,680
We'll just get you there anyway.
We'll be doing it in starters

467
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,320
over the next three terms and
like, phone back around to it.

468
00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,680
Oh.
What's that in the afternoons?

469
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,320
You missed that cooking unit.
That's all right.

470
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,520
I'll just tell your parents what
you missed.

471
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,720
But whilst you're away, you did
a scooter club where you counted

472
00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,240
the vents around the badminton.
Well, that's worth it.

473
00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:39,760
You did.
You counted the vents around the

474
00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,320
badminton court.
What more could I want?

475
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,760
Them that's way better than any
learning you could have done.

476
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,520
Right.
OK, let's wrap this up.

477
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,880
Let's go on.
Hey, Jingle, I've got a little

478
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,080
game for us to play and then
we're going to talk about in

479
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,240
general kind of online reaction
to teachers and posts that we

480
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,720
did about things we get rid of
an education and why and a

481
00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,400
little bit of AQ and a we get
some time at the end.

482
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,440
Nice.
All right, Hayden, quick game

483
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,840
over the, I was gonna say years,
I guess it's years now, but the

484
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,160
previous few weeks and months,
etcetera, people get in touch

485
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,280
with us a lot.
And do you know how they get in

486
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,280
touch with us?
Hey, please say on our Instagram

487
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,440
at Teach Sleep Repeat podcast,
you can follow us, you can

488
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,880
message us.
You can do all that good stuff

489
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,040
there and on TikTok.
You can follow us as well at TCP

490
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,200
podcast.
And a lot of people have emailed

491
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,320
in.
You're a lot more clued in on

492
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,000
the emails now.
Which is great, I do something.

493
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,320
Now doing a little bit of work
for the podcast, then you can

494
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,080
e-mail us at
teachsleeprepeatpod@gmail.com.

495
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,720
Anyway, we get a lot of how can
I put this, I want to say

496
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,600
submissions, I guess where
they're like, this happened to

497
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,800
me.
Isn't this mental?

498
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,040
And half the time people are
just saying it because they want

499
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,400
to get off the chest.
They know it's ridiculous.

500
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,600
They just want to talk to
someone about it.

501
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,600
And the other half the time
they're asking, is there

502
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,080
anything I can do in this
situation?

503
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,800
And they, I would say over the,
they've become increasingly

504
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,000
bizarre.
OK, so here's what I've done.

505
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,480
I've taken a few because I
always write them down.

506
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,560
I'll keep them in notes.
I've got 5 situations here of

507
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,640
written in submissions from
people.

508
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,560
Yep.
Some of them are real, actual

509
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,520
submissions, and some of them
I've made-up.

510
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,800
It's your job, after me reading
them, to think about them,

511
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,320
discuss them maybe, and then
decide if you think that's

512
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,560
something that's really been
written into US or something

513
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,640
that I've created.
So I'll be working in

514
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,600
probabilities here.
Probabilities mathematical.

515
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,960
OK, all right, this sounds fun.
That sounds.

516
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,520
Good.
And there's a theme here.

517
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,160
Toxicity, Of course.
OK, of course.

518
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,560
Because they're the things we
normally get.

519
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,560
I wonder why.
Anyway, ready.

520
00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:28,320
Yeah, go on.
The first one told that all

521
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,920
teachers have to run a club
every week and when I put down

522
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,640
film Club, SLT said that wasn't
acceptable because it was quote

523
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,200
too passive and wouldn't be
quote and I wouldn't be quote

524
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,160
busy enough.
I mean, I'm going to start with

525
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,640
saying that's absolutely real,
OK?

526
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,960
I just know that's happened.
I feel like, I feel like I, I'm

527
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,160
so certain on that one.
Is there a leg to stand on for

528
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,840
them for that, for that
situation?

529
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,640
I don't think so, no, because
it, oh, I don't know, because if

530
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,160
it's part of your director time
calendar, they are your boss and

531
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,000
they do have they, they can kind
of tell you what to do.

532
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,760
Isn't that what director time,
literally?

533
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,200
Is what do you mean?
That's what I'm saying, yeah.

534
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,320
As in like, they can tell you
what to do.

535
00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:10,760
Director time is direct.
Yeah.

536
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,080
But I just find it weird.
I hate it in situations like

537
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,720
that.
That was like, we're really free

538
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,520
at this school.
Choose your own club, but don't

539
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,440
do that one, OK?
Well, don't let them.

540
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,000
Well, it sounds like these
aren't even pretending that you

541
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,520
can choose your own club.
You just got to do one.

542
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,480
Yeah.
And when you suggested

543
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,400
something, they're like, no, not
that.

544
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,400
It's just just how it is.
Yeah.

545
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,600
Yeah.
Do you think are clubs allowed

546
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,200
to be part of directed time?
I've heard that they're not a

547
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,240
lot of like mixed advice here
from unions about clubs

548
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,280
shouldn't be part of directed.
Time.

549
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,720
Well, until you said that, I was
about to say I thought they

550
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,120
were.
So you've kind of made you

551
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,640
achieve.
Challenged my mind straight

552
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,120
away.
I thought.

553
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:39,920
I thought clubs could be part of
directed time as long as it was

554
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,160
accounted for.
I'm sure some schools make up.

555
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,440
I'm sure some academies make up
as well, though.

556
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This school, you ever asked,

557
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,560
they ever asked to run a club do
that, yeah.

558
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,080
Well, for example, you know, in
our school, lots of teachers run

559
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,280
clubs and the pay off is that
they get an extra week off.

560
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,080
Yeah.
So.

561
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,720
So that mean to me, that seems
fair enough.

562
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,480
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

563
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,480
And it is part of directed time,
isn't it?

564
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,120
At our school.
Yeah.

565
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,480
I believe so because it makes up
that time that makes up.

566
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,520
It makes up that time where
you're asked to do something,

567
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,080
but you get this time back.
Yeah.

568
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,480
I I, if I'm being completely
honest for a minute, right?

569
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,680
Even though it's a good payoff
for our school, I have always

570
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,440
found it a little bit strange.
The idea of clubs being like, I

571
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,400
think just purely because the
school day is already just so

572
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,800
long.
It's just so long, like just the

573
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,720
idea of anything.
But even the staff meeting once

574
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,800
a week, which is very common for
most schools being tagged on to

575
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,000
the end of one of the school
days.

576
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040
Even that for you, I'm like, Oh
my God, can that just not exist?

577
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,080
Because do you know what I want
to do every do you know what I

578
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,880
have to do every single day
after a day of day of teaching

579
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800
is mark a bunch of stuff and
plan a bunch of stuff and get a

580
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,880
bunch of stuff ready for the
next day.

581
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,360
And it's always, it's always
every single day more than like

582
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,200
the director time candidate, it
always takes me into, into free,

583
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,720
unpaid overtime every single
day.

584
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,520
Yeah.
So like the idea of anything

585
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,560
ever being tagged on the end of
the day and director times.

586
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,240
OK.
But the other stuff that I've

587
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,720
got to do, do you know, I've got
to do that We haven't put in

588
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,160
director time still has to
happen.

589
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,800
So now I've just got to do it
until 6:00 PM.

590
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,480
So how would you feel about in
this situation?

591
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,000
If you've got to do a club,
should you be able to do marking

592
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,880
whilst the film's on?
Oh my God, yes, right.

593
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,480
Yeah.
Realistically, if I was running

594
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,800
a school and we had to do and we
were doing clubs, whatever.

595
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,720
But but it's a nice idea in
terms of it gives the children

596
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,080
something to do and also, you
know, extended childcare and

597
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,160
stuff for the parents.
That's what it is nice though.

598
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,560
It's it's a nice thing to do,
isn't it?

599
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,680
And people like you shouldn't be
doing it.

600
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,920
It's like, yeah, but if you
could.

601
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,800
What's the purpose of a club,
really?

602
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,240
What is it?
What's the point?

603
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,520
I mean, I think it's, I think it
is equal, if not more the

604
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,920
child's enrichment.
I do think that's really

605
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,120
important.
But ultimately it's like school

606
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,400
in general.
I always find it a bit cringe

607
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,880
when people suggest that we're
not child minders.

608
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,760
And I'm like, the reason I find
it cringe is because although

609
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,880
it's not our first priority of
the children, it is a part of

610
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,200
our job.
Of course, like I've always

611
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,880
said, we are literally looking
after children so that people

612
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,240
can function in society and we
have shops open and stuff.

613
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:48,080
What do you think breakfast
clubs for, right?

614
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,520
What is it this whole movement
of like at the moment of like

615
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,000
really trying to push, push
Breakfast Club right and make it

616
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,120
more of a thing for everybody?
It's not.

617
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,720
It's because parents need to go
to work.

618
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,200
And they don't stop working at
9:00.

619
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,280
No.
They continue working so as in

620
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,280
our normal day are also
providing that, aren't we?

621
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,160
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.

622
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,400
I just, yeah, I think I agree.
I think we do have to sometimes

623
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,720
admit that we are also just, we
are just childcare.

624
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,840
We are just looking at the kids.
Yeah, that's that's that's part

625
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,880
of it.
When people suggest that's all

626
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,160
we're doing, that's when it's.
Ridiculous.

627
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Of course, that's just being
silly.

628
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,200
But yeah, that's just the final
point on that one then I think,

629
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,520
I think clubs, I think clubs can
be a really good thing.

630
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,200
I think, I think more so they
are just for childcare in all

631
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,320
honesty.
I think that the enrichment is,

632
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,160
is a nice thing we should we
should factor in.

633
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,120
But I do genuinely think that
the reason we do clubs is so

634
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,760
that kids can be at school for
another hour and parents can

635
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,600
crack on with what they're
doing.

636
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,240
So I don't think we should be
very strict with what the club

637
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,640
should be.
There should just be if there's

638
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,080
the whole school has to do it.
Yeah, someone does film club.

639
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,600
Someone does this thing that
that everyone should do their

640
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,840
passions that that teacher likes
football because he wants to run

641
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,280
a football club.
That teacher likes watching

642
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,240
films.
They're going to do a film

643
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,080
analysis.
Club, they like watching films.

644
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,560
They just they've got to do a
club whack with film.

645
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,040
I'm doing my assessments.
Yeah, yeah.

646
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,200
I guess the only thing that SFT
could come back with and say is,

647
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,400
well, it's not fair because the
person doing a football club

648
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,000
doesn't get to mark anything
because they're out there doing,

649
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,760
you know, hard graft and you're
sitting there marking and you

650
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,040
can say, OK, well maybe they
should do another club then.

651
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,600
I don't know.
So real or not real?

652
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,120
Definitely real, right?
That's real.

653
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,760
Well done one now second one
ready.

654
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,960
Yep.
Had an unannounced learning walk

655
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,080
with four members of trust SLTS
that's across the trust.

656
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,520
Coming into my maths lesson an
assistant head from another

657
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,680
school in the trust stopped me
mid input to ask why I was

658
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,560
wearing a polo shirt and not a
smart suit shirt.

659
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,720
The policy by the way, simply
states that I have to wear a

660
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960
collared top.
I know.

661
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,680
We are quite harsh sometimes on
academies, probably overly

662
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:39,000
harsh, but my gut, my gut
feeling on that one is it's

663
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,280
probably something that could
happen.

664
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,320
But I feel like you've made it
up.

665
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,480
I think you've made that one.
I think it's it's, it's insane,

666
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,240
but it's like, it's in the
realms of, yeah, it could

667
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,840
happen.
The whole point of this podcast

668
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,720
is talking about this.
It's the fact that this job is

669
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,280
becoming completely insane.
So.

670
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,000
This is where I think this is a
really cool game because I want

671
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,880
to get into your brain here.
Do you think that's do you think

672
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960
this is believable?
I think it's believable.

673
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,760
I just think knowing you, I'm
like, I think you've written

674
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,960
that knowing that we often go
hard on Academy trust, but I do

675
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,040
think the reason we go hard on
Academy trust is because stuff

676
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,960
like this happens.
So I'm a bit like circular.

677
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,560
In my mind right now, this is
like, this is like watching

678
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,840
David Mitchell and Would I lie
to you?

679
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,640
I just don't know.
I just don't know.

680
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,040
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to go with,
I'm going to go with that one.

681
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,600
You've made that one up.
But I do, I mean, I don't even

682
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,440
want to talk about policies of
like uniform.

683
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,640
From No, no, we can't.
We can't.

684
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,720
I mean, it's interesting to me
because I've worked in schools

685
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,800
where policies are like collared
tops and stuff, and I think

686
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,000
there's still a bit of ambiguity
around teacher dress codes a lot

687
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,200
of the time.
Unless it's super, super strict,

688
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,320
which I disagree with, where
it's like you're wearing a suit

689
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,960
and a tie, that's easy to
enforce because you're wearing a

690
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,080
suit and tie, you're not.
But the ones where they're a bit

691
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,240
more vague, which I agree with
more, they actually end up

692
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,440
having more kind of toxic
stories about it where it's

693
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,680
like, well, no, I expect it to
be this.

694
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,520
It's like, well, no, that's not
the interpretation I've got.

695
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,520
It literally does say a collared
top.

696
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,400
So I'm wearing a polo shirt,
sometimes a collar.

697
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Running theme in education,
isn't it?

698
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,960
Well, I've interpreted
reasonable additional hours.

699
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,040
There's something very different
to you.

700
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,680
Good SO.
What's your final answer on

701
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,840
that?
My final answer is real or not?

702
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,760
You've made that up.
OK, this one is made-up.

703
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,880
Yeah, but, but, but, but it's
based on a true story.

704
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,200
OK, OK.
Where it wasn't in the middle of

705
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,680
a maths lesson, it was just
brought up after school, right.

706
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,480
So I, I hammed it up a bit.
So I'm going to give you that

707
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,800
one.
It's not completely true.

708
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,920
It wasn't mid lesson but we got
messaged about someone being

709
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,120
asked about it after school.
So someone genuinely did get

710
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,000
caught up on wearing a polo.
Yeah, but after school.

711
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Not during a lesson, but after
school.

712
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,480
Was asked why.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

713
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,600
That basically what happened.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

714
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,480
Yeah, that's insane, isn't it?
I wonder what they.

715
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,520
Said, well, they just basically
were asked why they were wearing

716
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,440
a polo shirt.
From what I got from this

717
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,120
message was why are you wearing
a polo shirt?

718
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,920
Why ain't wearing a proper
shirt?

719
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,000
And then this guy was just like,
he was kind of taken aback by

720
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,880
it.
But his point was that the

721
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,720
actual policy says a collared
shirt.

722
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,440
I hate it in general with dress
codes because this is something

723
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,360
that I mentioned on social media
this week.

724
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,640
What?
What do you think?

725
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,800
What's the line then in terms
of, so you think a polo shirt

726
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,480
would be OK to to wear?
Do you think it should be tucked

727
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,520
in?
Do you think it should have

728
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,320
buttons at the top?
Do you think you should wear

729
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,960
Chino shorts or trousers or
short like shorts in general,

730
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,080
cargo shorts?
What?

731
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,360
What?
What to you is an acceptable

732
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,120
line because we have to draw a
line?

733
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,280
Yeah.
What would you say?

734
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,640
I think to make it all fair, we
should only be allowed to wear

735
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,520
clogs and Gilly and fold Gilly
suits to blend in with the

736
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,800
environment.
That way people don't because

737
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,120
obviously we all hate teachers
so much.

738
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,520
That way we can blend in with
the environment.

739
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,160
People don't have to look at us,
be sickened by our the sight of

740
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,880
us.
When a blue bit of paper to go

741
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,960
in with the display I've just
done.

742
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,240
Yeah, yeah, just.
I'll, I'll, I'll tell you what,

743
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,320
I'll wear a hessian sack.
I'll wear a hessian sack and you

744
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,400
can pin things on me.
So.

745
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Is it sports day?
Is that grace?

746
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,920
No, I'm just teaching you.
Nice.

747
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,000
Are you?
Dressing up as Dobby.

748
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,200
Well, listen, all right?
I'm just here to be fair.

749
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,640
I don't know.
Look, do I think in society

750
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,560
that, like, the idea exists that
the way you dress might reflect

751
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,800
somehow on you, like people,
people judge you differently?

752
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,320
Yeah, obviously that exists.
Of course it does.

753
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,400
I know people wouldn't care
about it.

754
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,280
Exactly right.
You get, you get policies in

755
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,480
like we went to London recently
and there was a sign that said

756
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,280
no hoodies or something like
that, no hoods up or whatever.

757
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,040
And I was like, OK, there's
clearly, there's clearly

758
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,160
something in culture where we
attribute dressing a certain way

759
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,920
with something and what, you
know, whatever.

760
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,200
I just don't think, I think it
matters.

761
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680
The, the, whatever the smallest
amount is on that scale where

762
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,640
that's still sort of existing.
I'm there and I'm just like,

763
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,320
we're teachers, for Christ's
sake.

764
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,440
Like they've, they're already,
they've got to the point where

765
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,600
they're a trained teacher at
that point, full autonomy.

766
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,920
What are you talking about?
Why do they need to be

767
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,000
micromanaged on what they wear?
Have they gone through a

768
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,240
training system and got
qualified, got a degree, got

769
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,320
qualified teacher status?
Yeah.

770
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,640
OK, cool.
Let them do it then, for

771
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Christ's sake.
Who do?

772
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,120
They're not the random hoodlums
from the from the shopping with

773
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,280
their hoodies up coming in to
build.

774
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,760
I'm a teacher now.
It's not happening.

775
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,680
Yeah.
What are we doing?

776
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,080
Just just just say to them, just
yeah, just wear.

777
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,520
So by definition, if you're a
qualified teacher, your point is

778
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,400
that a qualified teacher can
make that judgement.

779
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Yeah, probably clever enough.
Probably clever enough to wear

780
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,280
clothes that are appropriate.
I don't know if you see read

781
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,040
some of the comments about
teachers, I just.

782
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,160
Think Christ's sake, it's so
patronising.

783
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,320
OK.
That's really interesting.

784
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Next one, number three, SLT
bought everyone pizza after we

785
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,960
had an Ofsted inspection as a
treat and a thank you for

786
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,680
everyone putting in hours and
hours of extra work.

787
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,280
Anyone who's done Ofsted knows
how much extra work you put in

788
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160
that week is and it's quite
common actually, isn't it, to

789
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,720
buy pizza.
It's quite a common thing that

790
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,360
SLT get pizza.
A couple of weeks later.

791
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,640
We had to fill in an anonymous
well-being survey and the head

792
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,480
didn't like the results.
The Monday after, he sent an

793
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,600
e-mail out with his bank details
asking everyone for their share

794
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,200
of the pizza.
Oh my God.

795
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Is that true or false?
You had me all the way up to the

796
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,400
bank details.
I don't know.

797
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,080
I I think it's very reasonable
that I had got annoyed at the

798
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,760
anonymous survey because I feel
like we've talked about stuff

799
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,920
like that.
Before reasonable, you mean

800
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,360
acceptable or reasonable is
unbelievable.

801
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Like, do you think it's fair
enough that you get annoyed or

802
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,560
well.
No, no, I don't think it's you.

803
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,080
Just think it's like believable.
Yeah, no, I think it's

804
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,640
believable.
Sorry.

805
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,160
Yeah, I think it's reasonable to
assume that that's real, Right.

806
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,640
OK, that someone's getting
annoyed.

807
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,560
But the the bill, I hope this is
made-up.

808
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,200
This is not made-up.
I'm I'm going to me and my

809
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,640
Hessian sang around here.
I'll tell you.

810
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,400
What's your what's your thoughts
in general before you put your

811
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,760
final answer in about anonymous
well-being surveys, then do you

812
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,200
think, do you think it is
actually quite common that these

813
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,440
surveys are actually not
anonymous and it gets fed back

814
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,400
to staff or do you think that's
like a small, small kind?

815
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Of I reckon that's probably a
bit smaller thing in all

816
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,800
honesty, I reckon most places
that do it probably are

817
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,560
genuinely doing it whether they
care about it as much.

818
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,800
I think it's a different
statement whether but like if

819
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920
you're just asking whether
places do it properly and

820
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,960
actually it is actually
anonymous, I think probably most

821
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000
places are and you get these
crazy examples on the on the

822
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,320
fringe again, where they're not
even anonymous and then people

823
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,920
get called up on it.
Why did you put this in your

824
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,560
anonymous well-being survey?
I've heard of 1 before where

825
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,200
teachers were asked to write 3
words they associate with the,

826
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,880
the school that they are in or
like the trust they're in in

827
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,920
general.
And when teachers did it, some

828
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,880
teachers were asked to do it
again because they weren't the

829
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,040
words they wanted.
Oh my God, because they wanted,

830
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,240
you know, those, those big like
maps of words you get where like

831
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520
the more common words, bigger in
the middle, kind of what they're

832
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,040
called.
But they wanted to create one of

833
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,960
those.
And if they were using the words

834
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,880
they had, they'd have words on
that they didn't want to

835
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,240
actually describe the trust or
the, the school itself.

836
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,560
So they, yeah, they emailed
asking teachers, can you please

837
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,840
do it again?
But put positive.

838
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Words.
But at that point, just make it

839
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,120
up.
You're already making it up.

840
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Honestly that is basically the
same analogy of putting post it

841
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,600
notes in kids work and making
them rewrite it.

842
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Do you know what?
Just write it for you.

843
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Might as well just write a forum
at this point.

844
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,960
Just get your pen, practise the
handwriting.

845
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,760
Do it because you basically are.
Just make your silly word art.

846
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,960
Right.
Do you think that story is true

847
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,160
or false?
I think false.

848
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,640
It is false.
Well done.

849
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,080
Again, you got it right back on
here because I added in the bill

850
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,440
thing, but it was it was all
correct up until then and then

851
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,440
he had a moan about it and said
I even bought you guys pizza the

852
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,040
other week.
What more do you want for your

853
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,760
well-being?
Are you livid I'm getting all

854
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,960
these right?
No, no, I mean, it shows our

855
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,600
listeners how much we are.
You're in my head basically,

856
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,120
because now you've realised that
I've made small tweaks to try

857
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,760
and trick you.
You're probably going to get all

858
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,440
of these now.
But yeah, just on that very

859
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,320
quickly.
I think the idea of bringing up

860
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,720
something you've done to try and
justify why well-being is good

861
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,600
in your school is quite common
but is also insane.

862
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,120
Because I think we, I, I hear a
lot of the time people who are

863
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,000
in charge of schools etcetera,
they define well-being as what

864
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,600
they see it as.
And to me, you can't do that

865
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,160
because well-being is different
for everyone.

866
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,720
So you, you as a leader buying
your staff pizza for doing hours

867
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,400
and hours extra and Ofsted to
you, you might think that's tick

868
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,600
to box and everyone's happy now.
But to the mum, who therefore

869
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,040
missed their child's bedtime
time all week, or didn't get to

870
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,280
see their kids properly, or had
to arrange childcare, or had to

871
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,640
extend their nursery day and end
up paying more for nursery

872
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,920
because they were doing work for
Ofsted.

873
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,520
That and they don't even like
pizza.

874
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,480
Yeah, right.
That's done nothing for them.

875
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,640
Yeah.
So when they say their

876
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,640
well-being still been here in
general, you can't be annoyed at

877
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,040
that pizza.
Yeah, exactly.

878
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,160
It's like you've decided what's
good for their well-being.

879
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Yeah.
I believe that's called gas

880
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,920
lighting.
I think it might be actually you

881
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,480
do that.
It's like, come on, just just

882
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,120
have a bit of more of mind.
Write a couple more.

883
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:10,760
Ready.
Next one?

884
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,440
Yeah, I requested to my head to
move to the upper pay scale at

885
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,360
the end of the school year ready
for the next academic year.

886
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,280
So it was around this time I
assume when this person was

887
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,239
doing this.
She said of course.

888
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,360
I asked what forms I need to
needed to complete and she said

889
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,159
just put it into an e-mail to me
which I did.

890
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Fast forward to November, the
1st pay packet where raises are

891
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,320
usually seen, I noticed I was
still on the main pay scale.

892
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,639
I went to my head to clarify
what has happened and when I'd

893
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,800
be put up to UPS.
She said that unfortunately I've

894
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,880
missed the deadline to submit my
application.

895
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,800
I mentioned how I put it into an
e-mail, exactly as she'd said,

896
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,040
and she replied that that wasn't
enough as the school needed an

897
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,280
official application using
specific documents.

898
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,080
OK, firstly, that's too long.
You would have lost attention,

899
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,199
right?
And that's that's real.

900
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,880
You've had the attention span
surprise or something like that.

901
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,440
Secondly, just even if I didn't
think that about you, I

902
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,520
absolutely think that's
believable.

903
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,680
That sounds exactly like the
kind of thing that happens.

904
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,720
That sounds exactly like the
kind of thing that we do this

905
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,800
podcast for, to talk about stuff
like that, to call that stuff

906
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360
out so that people can be like,
oh, it's not just me then in my

907
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,480
own school.
And there is something you can

908
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,720
do about it.
You can't, you know, you can't

909
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:18,200
stick up.
For it.

910
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,600
So in this situation, do you
think it matters whether or not

911
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,720
the head's being malicious or
not?

912
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,320
Because it, there's a situate,
there's a, there's a reality in

913
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080
here in this story where the
head's being malicious and the

914
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,760
head's said, Oh yeah, just put
in an e-mail and then they've

915
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,280
ignored it and known they can
get away with it.

916
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,800
There's an alternate reality
where the same thing happened.

917
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,960
The heads just maybe a bit
forgetful and just, I didn't

918
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,160
realise this.
Then the, the deadline did pass

919
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,840
and the head's like, well, I'm
sorry, the deadlines passed, the

920
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,920
governors won't allow it
anymore.

921
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Sorry.
Like no, you can't do it.

922
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,760
You need to do it this way.
Do you think it even matters?

923
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,360
What have they been, malicious
or not?

924
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,320
Yeah.
Do you think that matters or

925
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,520
not, ultimately?
Not, not really, because the

926
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,360
outcome's the same, right?
To this person.

927
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,800
I think either way, they, they,
they lied.

928
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,040
They should have stuck to that
word.

929
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,280
Put an e-mail, put it in the
e-mail.

930
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Like, sorry, unless you're right
in the English SAT's mark

931
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,040
scheme, most people you know,
have got basic levels of infant

932
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,040
skills right?
And would be like someone's

933
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,040
saying, Oh yeah, put it.
Oh yeah, put it into an e-mail

934
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,400
form.
It means I'll get that done.

935
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,480
Yeah, yeah.
So specifically said, are there

936
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,960
any forms I need to do?
Yeah.

937
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,880
And they said no.
Just put it in an e-mail and

938
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,960
I'll get it sorted.
Yeah, Nah, Nah.

939
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,520
They should have mentioned it at
the time.

940
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960
Yeah, you're a head teacher.
Come on, you got to know your

941
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,480
own deadline.
What's your thought on going to

942
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,520
UPS in general?
There's a lot of hoops people

943
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,120
need to look like this, for
example.

944
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,320
Yeah, it's not the easiest thing
in the world to do, is it?

945
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,240
And is is that OK?
Should it be hard to do or

946
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,760
should we have to have evidence
to do it?

947
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,120
Or what's your opinion?
Firstly, for those non teachers

948
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,320
out there, we have two pay
scales.

949
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,640
The main, the main pay scale,
there's six points on it.

950
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,080
The idea is you go up one point
each year, Six years in, you're

951
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,400
at the top of the main pay
scale, but you can then pass

952
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
through the threshold into the
upper pay scale, which is just a

953
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,640
further three points.
That basically just goes up in

954
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,520
the same way.
Realistically, it's just nine

955
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,400
points, right?
But we have to run, go through

956
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,280
hoops, like Dylan said.
I absolutely don't think we

957
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,160
should be going through hoops.
I think I tell you what, just

958
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaking of politics for a
second, I think if Labour won a

959
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160
quick win, a really, really easy
win to get on the side of

960
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,680
teachers, just get rid of it and
just make it 9 points.

961
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Honestly, that's such an easy
thing.

962
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,360
Most people just go for it
anyway.

963
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,320
Get rid of the paperwork, for
Christ's sake.

964
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,320
You don't just you don't get to
six years in and then your level

965
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,000
of experience stops increasing
in the same tangible way.

966
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,440
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.

967
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,200
It's like, oh, now you have to
go through these hoops.

968
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,800
I didn't have to do that.
From .5 to .6, Sure.

969
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Well, you were just naturally
more experienced there.

970
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,680
But from year 6 to year 7?
How?

971
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,400
Can we trust that?
It's just a weird block that

972
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,480
happens in all teachers, in all,
everywhere in the country.

973
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just get rid of it.

974
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,440
I don't think it's a worthwhile
system.

975
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,920
It's so inconsistent as well.
That's what I don't like about

976
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,880
it and what I hate about a
system that relies on, look

977
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,480
again, people say, oh boohoo,
get into the real your world.

978
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,160
You've got to put yourself out
there for raises and stuff.

979
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,480
That's what happens in private
sector.

980
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,480
That is true.
That is, that is completely

981
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,360
true, but it still does just irk
me and I'm allowed to be annoyed

982
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:56,200
by something where the passive
almost kindly think of mums in

983
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,160
this situation, usually who you
can think of the lovely types

984
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,880
right now who don't want to
cause a flash, want to get them

985
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,200
and do a really good job.
They're the ones who are more

986
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,480
likely to be like, oh, I'll just
put it off.

987
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,280
I don't want to 'cause I don't
want to cause a problem for

988
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,280
anyone.
Oh, it's 7 forms.

989
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,720
Do you know what I'll just stick
to M6.

990
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,080
Like, no, no, you're worth.
You should be getting paid more.

991
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,720
Yeah.
And this system allows those

992
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,280
people just to sit on the pay
scale at that M6, which is the

993
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,000
top of the main pay scale, be
underpaid for years and years.

994
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
They cure more, more experience
just because, oh, you know, it's

995
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
just a bit of a fuss.
They've got to apply for it.

996
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,120
OK, Well, yeah, brilliant.
I don't think we should compare

997
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,480
it to the private system.
No, exactly, because like it's

998
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,440
like you said, teaching is
filled basically, and I am being

999
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,800
stereotypic here, but it is,
it's filled with lots of mums.

1000
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Yeah, Honestly, no, you're
right.

1001
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Like they're not in the
cutthroat business world where

1002
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,000
you're you're putting together a
spreadsheet to justify your next

1003
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,360
pay rise, which is 8 grand.
Yeah, like it's.

1004
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,200
And you're already on 80.
Yeah, it's a one or two grand

1005
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,960
pay rise.
It barely goes up with inflation

1006
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960
and the fact it hasn't gone up
with inflation really over the

1007
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,520
last 20 years if you look at it.
No, it's not like just just.

1008
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,280
Just, and also just to just to
solidify what you're saying,

1009
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,680
talking about people high up in
the corporate world, like

1010
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,440
arguing for their jobs and
moving around and stuff.

1011
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Even just stripping it back to
the private sector with people

1012
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,760
on much the same pay or even
worse pay.

1013
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,320
Sometimes.
Me arguing for the rights of

1014
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,920
someone to go for a pay scale,
but happen to jump through hoops

1015
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,680
and justify and have this kind
of cutthroat attitude of why I'm

1016
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960
so great is not me saying also
that people in the private

1017
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,240
sector don't deserve anything.
No, it's this whole idea of

1018
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,000
like, you just, you can't make
assumptions.

1019
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,200
You can't.
Just because we're talking about

1020
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,720
something we're passionate about
and involved in doesn't mean

1021
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,720
suddenly that, Oh my gosh,
everything else is.

1022
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,760
Obviously awful, but the
Internet is vile for that

1023
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,400
though, isn't it?
As far like, do you know what

1024
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,600
what about this a good a good
example of that the other day.

1025
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,280
And I I just obviously I follow
ICT Mr P.

1026
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,600
He's been on the podcast a
couple of times.

1027
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,320
Lee he he makes really good
content and he made Instagram

1028
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,200
real recently about a positive
thing.

1029
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,200
He was really short 1.
He just said oh nice thing from

1030
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,320
Labour though.
This new policy is going to push

1031
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,880
like 500,000 more children into
being able eligible for free.

1032
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,840
School meals, yeah.
And it was just a really short

1033
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:57,800
1.
He was like, yeah, it's just a

1034
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,840
little win.
Let's just, let's just be

1035
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,720
positive for a second.
This is children eating food.

1036
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,120
Yeah.
That's not controversial.

1037
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Yeah, not controversial.
He was like, objectively, this

1038
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,400
is a good thing. 500,000 more
children, you know, whatever it

1039
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,080
is, that's more than 0.
So cool.

1040
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,120
Thanks Labour.
Every single I read it, I caught

1041
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,600
it quite early.
So it's only about 6 or 7

1042
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,400
comments.
Every single comment.

1043
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,160
First the 6th, 1st was six or
seven.

1044
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,040
We're all like, yeah, but what
about this?

1045
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,880
Yeah, but not this though, is
it?

1046
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,760
Oh, no one's thought of these
people though.

1047
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Well, how about the quality of
the school meals?

1048
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,800
We really want to be giving that
to 500,000 more children.

1049
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,280
And I just, I thought, Oh my
God, I just got to close the app

1050
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,920
and I was like, I just can't
deal with it.

1051
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,160
What's wrong with people?
Yeah, because, because your

1052
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,120
point being, even if these
people have a point.

1053
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,800
Which they which?
I'm, I'm, don't get me wrong, I

1054
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,920
see a lot of school dinners and
I think what are we feeding our

1055
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,240
children?
That's that's a point.

1056
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,520
OK, that's fine.
But we're talking about children

1057
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,160
in poor families and poor
backgrounds gaming food at

1058
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,720
school.
That is a good.

1059
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,840
Thing that they didn't have
before, exactly.

1060
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,400
I.
Just Yeah, it it obviously you

1061
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,440
you you're on social media, you
know, you do all of our social

1062
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,320
media stuff.
You do all of our social media

1063
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,200
stuff.
You heard it here Yeah.

1064
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,240
And yeah.
I don't know how you deal with

1065
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,160
it.
We're gonna talk about.

1066
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Yeah, we've teased it a few
times in the park.

1067
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,160
But anyway, what?
I forgot the.

1068
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,440
True, true or it's true or
false?

1069
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,800
What was the thing?
It was right, something we got

1070
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,880
to do, something really
different about wanting to go

1071
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,640
through UPS and being told just
put it in an e-mail.

1072
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Oh yeah, yeah, it's past the
deadline.

1073
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,920
I can't do anything true.
That was true.

1074
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,440
Right.
Was true.

1075
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Of course it was.
Yeah.

1076
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,160
You, you saying true In 10
seconds?

1077
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,800
I was like alright.
Gotta say I'm gonna get 5.

1078
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Five, I'm really trying to push
like the the whole like

1079
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,520
attention.
Is that true?

1080
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,920
Let's talk about UPS for a bit.
What's that?

1081
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,880
You made a game.
I'll ruin it.

1082
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,640
I'll ruin.
It last one go on my leadership

1083
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,680
team.
Have you got everyone?

1084
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,040
Right.
So far, yeah, 4 out of four.

1085
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,280
Of course I have.
My leadership team, I might just

1086
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,280
change what this is just based
on what you're saying.

1087
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,640
OK, it's made-up then what
you're talking about.

1088
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,600
It's a rubbish game.
What an idiot.

1089
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,360
My leadership team asked each
teacher if they knew of someone

1090
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
or anyone in the school who had
used AI to help write their

1091
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,360
reports.
They had decided we weren't

1092
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,120
allowed to do it, but had no way
of actually figuring out who had

1093
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,520
and who hadn't.
A colleague of mine decided to

1094
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,720
tell them that I had used AI
brackets, which is correct.

1095
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,720
I did close brackets, so they
asked me to rewrite them all.

1096
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,000
I refused, obviously, unless
given time out of class to do

1097
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,400
it.
Thinking they won't do that and

1098
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,720
I'll just keep these reports
I've written.

1099
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,160
They literally booked me time
out of class to rewrite all of

1100
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,480
my reports despite them being
already done and there just

1101
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,880
because they were so against the
use of AI.

1102
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Oh, OK, that's a hard 1.
You first, you've, you've got me

1103
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,120
on this one because I think you
could have made that up.

1104
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,080
But I also think that's that
given the landscape with AI

1105
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,520
right now and how much, how
little people know about it

1106
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,080
really and like how to actually
utilise it properly and the

1107
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,560
scare tactics that come around
of like, you know, particularly

1108
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,320
of GDPR, you know, that's not
even a scare tactic.

1109
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,400
That's a legitimate concern.
GDPR and all that stuff.

1110
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,600
That's not why this this they
just fundamentally didn't.

1111
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Want their teachers, I'll just
kind of build up to the idea

1112
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,120
that I can, I can I can believe
that schools exist where they're

1113
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,640
just like, Nope, they're just
scared by their whole idea and

1114
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,040
they just shut down ignorant to
it.

1115
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,120
I don't want to know about it.
AI.

1116
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,840
It's just terrible blanket no
use policy.

1117
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,560
I think that's that's true.
That's a hard 1, isn't it?

1118
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,880
Because if I got told that I had
to rewrite my reports, my

1119
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,120
reaction would be exactly the
same.

1120
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,440
And then if they booked out
loads of time in my direct time

1121
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
and told me to do it, what leg
do I have to stand on?

1122
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,800
Well, OK, good question.
Would you?

1123
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,720
Why have to?
Why would?

1124
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,800
Yeah, because they've given me,
if they've given me time in.

1125
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,880
School.
Yeah, it's your job.

1126
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,080
They do that.
Yeah, they booked, they booked

1127
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,680
out of class because they they
said we're not keeping it.

1128
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,040
OK, book me time out of class.
And they've decided that from

1129
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,200
their point of view, they would
rather book the teacher out of

1130
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560
class.
Yeah, to do their reports from

1131
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,520
scratch properly and then keep
the AI version of it.

1132
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,720
So they've, they've given time.
There's nothing now where you're

1133
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,360
like, well, I'm not saving time
because I would have been

1134
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,240
teaching.
I'd rather teach my English and

1135
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,840
math sessions, by the way, with
my kids.

1136
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,920
But if my boss has decided this
is what my time is doing in my

1137
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,160
job.
I would do it.

1138
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:00,720
Do you know?
I do?

1139
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,920
What would you do?
No, I do.

1140
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,880
Would you say I'll be like yeah,
all right then I'll go and I'll

1141
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,440
go and do it.
I'll bung it all into AI.

1142
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,080
I'll write 2 examples myself.
Say copy my writing style,

1143
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,840
rewrite all these and give it
the context.

1144
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,920
My head teacher thinks we can't
use AI for some reason.

1145
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,040
They don't know anything about
it.

1146
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,720
Can you rewrite these please and
make it sound a bit more like

1147
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:16,200
me?
Cheers.

1148
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,440
Don't use any long dashes.
Get your two days off, go to,

1149
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,640
said Sparks.
And you've been through

1150
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,400
Aventador.
Come back, you got your.

1151
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,120
I imagine it's in school, right?
I'll be sat in an office

1152
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,960
somewhere, feet up networks on,
you know, going on TikTok

1153
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,920
telling you all all the comments
of like trolls, how hard we work

1154
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,520
when hard we do.
Hang on a minute, just watching

1155
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,440
episode.
Right.

1156
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,800
Come on.
True or false?

1157
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:45,440
True it's false or wrong.
I made it up and that one is not

1158
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,640
even something that I got a bit
from.

1159
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,920
I completely made that one up.
Oh, and it was long.

1160
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,920
I was about to say it was too
long.

1161
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,840
You.
Didn't taking a win.

1162
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,440
You put brackets in it and read
them out I.

1163
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,760
Know, I know, I really tried to
make it like.

1164
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,200
Then they said this brackets,
which I did by the way.

1165
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,480
Yeah.
Did you use AI to write it?

1166
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,080
No, you should have the whole
thing.

1167
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,440
Oh my gosh.
How's.

1168
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,760
Your game, I enjoyed that, it
sparked some good conversations.

1169
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,400
Interesting.
And, you know, some are true,

1170
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,160
but the, the point I wanted to
make by even when I created ones

1171
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,560
that or made them up or, you
know, made them exaggerated, was

1172
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,400
there's someone out there who
would think every one of them

1173
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,160
was true.
Yeah.

1174
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,840
And I think that really, really
highlights, I think a big theme

1175
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,000
of this podcast in general is
just calling stuff out.

1176
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,280
And the idea that you had to
think about some of them when

1177
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,120
you actually look at it, yeah,
it's just crazy.

1178
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,240
And, and I just want to do you
know what I want to do a quick

1179
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,520
positive for a minute because we
had an e-mail this week once

1180
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,800
again intercepted it so you can
see it.

1181
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,400
So I thought that'd be a nice
little positive thing.

1182
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,440
I just kind of want to read it
to you as you think.

1183
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,400
So someone said, hey, I've been
listening to your podcast for a

1184
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,000
while now.
I'm an ECT teacher.

1185
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,680
I think we've got a lot of.
ECTS.

1186
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,080
And thank you, if you are tuning
in to us and you know you're at

1187
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,760
the beginning of your teaching
career, I hope we're not

1188
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,800
completely putting you off.
I hope this is more like a,

1189
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,240
we're just trying to round you
into like the reality of what

1190
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,960
some schools can be like, right?
And this person said I work in a

1191
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,640
secondary school and find your
podcast valuable.

1192
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,320
I used to work for quite a toxic
Academy chain.

1193
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,640
What is the price?
What up north?

1194
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,800
Whose method was and this dog
gone, essentially.

1195
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,960
Can I guess, can I guess, Yeah.
Go on.

1196
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,360
Can, I guess Hiring people,
Yeah, who have no idea what

1197
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,560
they're what, you know, the the
advantages that are about to be

1198
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,800
taken by the people in charge,
completely overworking them, dis

1199
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,200
disillusioning them with the
whole system, bending them off

1200
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,360
when they become too expensive
and then rehiring them with some

1201
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,880
more, more cheap people again.
We've seen and heard that

1202
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:24,960
before.
Let's have a look.

1203
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,560
I used to hang on whose method
was essentially burn ECTS into

1204
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,440
the ground and then rehire one
or two years later and and

1205
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,240
repeat the cycle.
Yep.

1206
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,760
But just wants to let you guys
know that there is hope and I

1207
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,160
really like that.
I like that word hope.

1208
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,160
It's, you know, A New Hope makes
me think of Star Wars and.

1209
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,520
That fictional story?
Yeah, yeah.

1210
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,720
Fictional story made-up.
Yeah.

1211
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,160
It's not real.
Hope's not real, guys.

1212
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,080
I'm joking.
It is because I've just joined a

1213
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,600
school that allows teachers to
take a well-being day, which a

1214
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,200
year just just don't have to
justify it.

1215
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,840
It's just just take a day off.
What you want to do?

1216
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,440
Yeah, Which is really, really
good, yeah.

1217
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,160
Really lovely, lovely gesture.
It's fully covered by the

1218
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,120
school.
They also have a look through

1219
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,560
books policy instead of an
incredible marking load.

1220
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,880
So I presume she's alluding to
an idea of like the marking

1221
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,680
policy is quite open and they
don't say like you have to do

1222
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200
all this, like you got to get a
bunch of pen in there and to

1223
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,840
think three things and like 5
comments.

1224
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,240
They just look through the books
and make sure things are going

1225
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:13,440
all.
Right.

1226
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,480
I think if you're getting
progress, you can have that

1227
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,000
trust in your.
Yeah, I agree.

1228
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,760
Anyway, she just said just feel
that this resonates with

1229
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,080
everything that you said in your
podcast and that there is hope

1230
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,920
for teachers who are unsure
about leaving schools.

1231
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,360
Not all schools are the same.
And I thought that was a really

1232
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,440
a really nice message to just
kind of share everybody because

1233
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,520
you know what, we get a lot of
people writing into us and we

1234
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,240
get a lot of messages like that.
We don't always share it.

1235
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,040
Sometimes we just reply and say
thanks for listening a lot.

1236
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,840
But it's good to just to remind
you, especially if you are an

1237
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,920
ECT and you're thinking, is this
what this job is like?

1238
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,880
I'm in a horrendous school.
Like, is this normal?

1239
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,800
Because I wish when I was a
starter as an ECT, I wish

1240
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,080
someone sort of said to me, oh,
this isn't normal, by the way,

1241
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,200
this is normal.
Like this is really toxic

1242
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,360
workplace.
And you probably shouldn't be

1243
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,120
asked to do all these things and
work in the most ridiculous

1244
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,680
amount of hours every week.
But I just thought it was normal

1245
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,800
because it was the first time
I've done it.

1246
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,480
So yeah, it's not that normal.
And there are lots of schools

1247
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,000
out there that are really great
places to work and you just kind

1248
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,880
of got to find them.
So absolutely, that person's

1249
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,800
reminded us there is hope.
Absolutely.

1250
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,320
It's that classic thing of, you
know, before you do quit

1251
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,880
teaching, you know, and if
you're two or three years in

1252
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,320
especially, it might be worth
me, it might be worth quitting.

1253
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,320
Don't get me wrong, it might
absolutely be worth quitting

1254
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,560
fundamentally if you don't like
the job.

1255
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,720
But if it is like a workplace
thing, try a different school,

1256
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,320
try something out.
Because you never know, you

1257
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,640
might find that spark again.
Because at the end of the day,

1258
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,680
Hayden, is there anything better
actually, than just standing in

1259
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,680
front of your class, teaching
them something, getting them to

1260
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,760
understand fundamentally things
that will help them for the rest

1261
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,920
of their life, having that bond
with those children.

1262
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Oh, it's the best job in the
world for that.

1263
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,680
And it's when these external
factors come in that we are

1264
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,400
trying to inform people that you
don't have to accept certain

1265
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,280
things that make your life a
misery when this can be the best

1266
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,360
job in the world.
Centre Parks is pretty good

1267
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,120
counting events around the
badminton court.

1268
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,800
I don't know, yes, around that's
similar sort of level, isn't it

1269
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,360
really, right.
Listen, play the Jingle, because

1270
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,280
we're going to go over some
troll comments.

1271
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,520
Now back to the back to the
troll.

1272
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,200
Dylan, when I was away at Centre
Parks having a fantastic time

1273
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,680
without you.
Counting events around

1274
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:07,840
badminton.
Court, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1275
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Not not parenting because I've
got grandparents there, that

1276
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,840
sort of stuff.
Having just generally a

1277
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,920
brilliant time.
Right.

1278
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,400
I did see that you were cracking
away on social media, you know,

1279
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,080
doing, doing the work for us
both whilst I did nothing.

1280
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,880
And one of the posts you put up
was quite controversial.

1281
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,080
It got a lot of comments.
Well, I say controversial.

1282
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,240
Yeah, I didn't think it would
be.

1283
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,400
Controversial.
So can you, can you tell us a

1284
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,320
bit about this, this post you
did, because it was all about

1285
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,800
things that you would change
straight away right in?

1286
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,440
Education, I, I called it this
things I would bin off from

1287
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,520
education immediately if given
the chance, right?

1288
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,760
And the point was a lot of times
in our episode we said get in

1289
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,560
the bin this whole thing bin it
off.

1290
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,760
One of my favourite comments,
just I'll say right now was

1291
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,840
quote bin off and quote FFS.
Like a teacher can't say bin

1292
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,440
off.
Do you know what you can do?

1293
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:51,680
The bin.
The bin.

1294
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,600
Yeah.
So I said things I'd been off

1295
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,680
from education immediately and
I'll just give you a quick

1296
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,320
taster.
I mean, you can go to our TikTok

1297
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,080
or Instagram.
I've already told you'd handle

1298
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,000
teach CPP podcast and have a
look into what I said.

1299
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,480
I did a couple of posts in the
end.

1300
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,920
So 10 things I would change and
there were things like, you

1301
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,160
know, extra smart dress codes.
Yeah, extra smart dress codes

1302
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,000
like wearing a proper suit and I
just don't need to do that.

1303
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,280
Can you give me because I can't
remember them.

1304
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,400
Can you give me your first fight
for that?

1305
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,680
Yeah, yeah.
So extra smart dress codes was

1306
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,720
the first one Ofsted I'd been
off the and I said explicitly in

1307
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,440
the post not because I don't
think schools should be held

1308
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,480
accountable.
I absolutely believe we should.

1309
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,200
I think there should be a
different body in place which

1310
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,360
focuses much more on not just
judging but also supporting

1311
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,120
schools and helping them through
because if they are deemed to be

1312
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,640
bad schools, that's great.
They shouldn't end there though.

1313
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,360
We need to make all schools good
for our children.

1314
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,040
I agree, that's my point.
The reasonable additional hours

1315
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,920
part of the contract, which
we've talked about a million

1316
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,480
times in this podcast, how it's
incredibly vague, how it forces

1317
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,760
some teachers who are less
confident in saying no to do

1318
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,600
loads of extra work.
Let me trust freedoms in

1319
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,560
general.
I think that they can be good

1320
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,040
and they're portrayed as good by
the people who like them and

1321
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,080
benefit from them.
We go, yeah, we can pay our

1322
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,640
staff what we want.
What usually happens, in my

1323
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,600
opinion, is that staff are paid
less because of it.

1324
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,800
We've literally been in schools
where that's the case, where

1325
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,200
staff are expected to do more
because they don't have to

1326
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,600
divide by directed hours.
And we create this upper class

1327
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,560
of management who kind of suck
money out of the system because

1328
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,600
they push pencils and go around
schools and act important.

1329
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,400
I think it's a flawed system
fundamentally, and those

1330
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,000
freedoms don't help.
I think all schools should have

1331
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,640
to abide by the pay scale in
particular, so teachers are

1332
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,400
getting what they deserve and
attendance awards.

1333
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,720
I mentioned about attendance
awards.

1334
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,280
We talked again, We've done a
whole episode I think about

1335
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,040
attendance awards.
I think they're papering over

1336
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,680
the cracks.
I think there are children with

1337
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,440
chronic illnesses or children
who have to go into hospital,

1338
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,280
Children have appendicitis and
suddenly they can't go to Alton

1339
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,160
Towers.
I think it's insane.

1340
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,320
I think we really over egg the
actual awards we get for

1341
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,880
attending school.
In which case because we do

1342
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,320
that, it means the children who
can't help being off school and

1343
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,960
who should be off school because
for their health and safety and

1344
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,080
the health and safety of other
children are punished for doing

1345
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,000
that.
And I think it's fun.

1346
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,360
Fundamentally wrong and and
incorrect.

1347
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,360
And that's that's my 5.
South, really good points.

1348
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,640
Not really that controversial.
I think maybe the Academy trust

1349
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,880
one could be a bit
controversial.

1350
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Yeah.
I think a lot, you know, a lot

1351
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,600
of people have have retorted
back to us in the past but

1352
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,480
actually do you know what I've
worked at really good academies.

1353
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Yeah, so and I think sometimes
we're a bit unfair towards them.

1354
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,400
Yeah, maybe that's a bit
controversial.

1355
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,720
Didn't say any of that in the
comments though.

1356
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,680
The comments I saw I was
actually cracking up.

1357
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,720
I was sat there probably,
probably in a swimming pool.

1358
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,400
Yeah, that wasn't.
But by the way, this this post,

1359
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,640
just so everyone knows, got
about 1 1/2 thousand comments,

1360
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,040
not likes and things like
comments 1 1/2 thousand

1361
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,280
different comments.
I've I've certainly not read all

1362
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,600
the comments.
I certainly haven't.

1363
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,360
Well, I sat there scrolling
through quite a lot because it

1364
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,760
because it really tickled me.
Because I'm sorry, very quickly

1365
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,680
I asked at the end, anything
you'd add to this?

1366
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,880
Is there anything you'd get?
Because I really wanted to know

1367
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,320
what people would say.
And also I thought, you know,

1368
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,760
people will definitely have
something to say about

1369
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,600
education.
I don't necessarily agree with

1370
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,200
all of the more disagree.
It's just interesting.

1371
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,040
It was inviting trolls, that
wasn't it.

1372
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,960
Anything you'd add to this list?
Any troll ever.

1373
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,200
Or anyone who doesn't like
teachers.

1374
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,480
Which is basically everyone
outside of teaching apparently.

1375
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,960
No, it's the loudest people,
that's for sure.

1376
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:00,880
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.

1377
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,360
To be fair, there was a lot of
profile pictures with Nigel

1378
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,640
Farage and who were commenting
on it.

1379
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,880
I don't know, I don't want that.
There's a correlation there.

1380
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,760
But anyway, so I've I've
actually put put together five

1381
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,080
of the comments, my favourite
comments, OK, all of them are

1382
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,480
troll comments.
So I'm not you're not going to

1383
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,400
get anything nice from.
This.

1384
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,640
I knew you did this, but I don't
know what you've chosen, so I'm

1385
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,320
really excited.
These ones just made me laugh

1386
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,640
the most.
Basically all got a lot of

1387
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:22,760
interaction that just cranked me
up.

1388
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,160
So the first one was.
So these were all people

1389
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,120
responding to anything you'd add
to the list.

1390
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,360
First one, get rid of arrogant
teachers who think they're above

1391
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,000
Ofsted I.
Saw this one.

1392
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,600
I think you might have even
replied.

1393
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,560
Yeah, I did.
Because my point was I was

1394
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,600
almost laughing at this person
like you.

1395
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,840
This is this is the theme.
You didn't read what I said.

1396
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,560
You didn't read it like you
obviously didn't, because I

1397
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,960
don't know.
What do you mean think they're

1398
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,200
above?
Do you think then that anybody

1399
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,160
that's judging any profession
ever is above any kind of

1400
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,280
criticism whatsoever?
Because immediately arrogant if

1401
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,280
you think that's wrong.
Yeah.

1402
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,640
I literally said we need to be
held accountable.

1403
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:56,880
Yeah, I don't think I'm above
that.

1404
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Yeah, but that bit was in
slightly smaller words and there

1405
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,440
was more than 3 words to read.
So they didn't read that bit,

1406
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,400
they just read Ofsted.
So that cracked me up.

1407
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,520
That got me going.
Got me scrolling.

1408
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,480
This person, by the way, spelled
Ofsted wrong, which just adds to

1409
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,360
it, doesn't it?
Yeah, just adds to it.

1410
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,640
Yeah, second one.
This one just was funny because

1411
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,760
it's personal to you, those 16
weeks holiday you get Mr Biddy.

1412
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,760
I replied to this one.
I said what a strange comment,

1413
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,080
That's all.
I said two things with this,

1414
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,240
right.
Why every single time that

1415
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,680
annoyed people online want to
mention the fact teachers get

1416
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,760
loads of holiday, do they never,
ever, ever say the actual amount

1417
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,520
of holiday we get?
I know, but even when they're

1418
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,960
trying to be realistic, so I see
some silly comments saying the

1419
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,040
1500 weeks off you get a yeah,
it's OK, you're just

1420
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,920
exaggerating.
Yeah, effect.

1421
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,240
But when they say 16, they mean
16.

1422
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,360
It's like that's just three
weeks off.

1423
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,200
Like I don't get me wrong, 13
weeks holiday year is really

1424
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,760
nice.
OK, and it is a pro to teaching.

1425
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Absolutely right.
And we can.

1426
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,880
This isn't this isn't a post
about the good things about

1427
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,800
teaching.
I'm saying what I would change.

1428
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Yeah, but anyway, yeah, they
always get it wrong.

1429
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,680
Like, yeah, the 15 weeks off,
the 18 weeks off the 60s, it's

1430
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,520
just wrong.
Firstly, so you are just wrong.

1431
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,200
Yeah.
And then Mr Beard like like

1432
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:04,680
saying Mr Beardy is, is adding
anything to this?

1433
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,960
Point that that kind of made me
think that he was probably just

1434
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,080
being a bit silly.
Maybe Mr Beard, he made me think

1435
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,760
he's he probably just like your
mate down the pub might say that

1436
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,400
to you and you would know that
they're just trying to like just

1437
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,640
trigger.
You for just being funny so

1438
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,560
should like I was a bit of a
strange comment but OK so.

1439
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:19,160
That cracked me up.
But yeah, again, like the

1440
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,120
obsession with holiday, it's
like it is.

1441
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:23,720
Do you know what life is?
A race to the bottom?

1442
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,400
It just is.
It just is our culture.

1443
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,760
Maybe it's different in other
countries, but British culture

1444
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,560
is the most overbearingly
depressing race to the bottom

1445
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,040
ever.
Oh, my God.

1446
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,320
It just has to be.
Who has it worse?

1447
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,480
That's all we care about as a
culture.

1448
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,520
Yeah, but I got it worse,
though.

1449
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,920
No one listens to each other.
No one cares about anyone else.

1450
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,000
It's just I'm just waiting.
I'm listening to.

1451
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,040
Oh, no, I might have got it
worse now.

1452
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,040
I've actually got it worse than
that.

1453
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,640
That thing you just said that
I've actually got it worse than

1454
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,120
you did.
You know that?

1455
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,240
Because it's about me now.
It's about me.

1456
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:53,160
I got it worse than you,
actually, for Christ's sake.

1457
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,400
Like, you know what?
Yeah, teachers get 13 weeks

1458
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,400
holiday and they're still
quitting in droves.

1459
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,920
No one wants to do this job.
Yeah.

1460
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,840
Yeah.
So clearly does that say.

1461
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,000
That perk isn't even enough.
Like for God's sake.

1462
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,120
I completely agree.
Yeah, that's.

1463
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,960
Really smart there Mr Commenter
with Nigel Farage photo and

1464
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,640
everything.
Let's take away some of the

1465
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,680
perks because then then more
teachers will quit.

1466
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Yeah, I know someone said.
Someone literally said like a

1467
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,800
bunch of people said about
taking the holiday away and I

1468
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,520
replied to one of them saying
why would I want that?

1469
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,040
This is a post work things I
would change tomorrow.

1470
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,720
Why?
Why do you why would I want less

1471
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,960
holiday?
That's such a ridiculous thing

1472
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,160
to suggest.
And also the fact that I said to

1473
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,880
this person, cool, if you want
to do that, let's have a

1474
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,640
discussion.
But like with any job ever.

1475
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,560
And he made the point of saying
in the private sector, it's only

1476
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,960
four weeks off.
I was like, yeah, cool.

1477
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,840
In the private sector, if you
took away someone's holiday,

1478
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,920
you'd be paying them for that
because they're expected to

1479
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,200
work.
And there's this weird, weird

1480
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,280
understanding of school and of
teachers rather and their

1481
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,920
holiday where it's like, well,
it's paid, isn't it?

1482
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,720
It's paid time off.
I was like, what do you?

1483
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,200
Well, yeah, I am paid in the
summer because my pay is spread

1484
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,080
across the year because it would
be incredibly stupid to just not

1485
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,280
get a pay packet in all.
Yeah, but if you want me to work

1486
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,960
more, you have to pay me more.
Yeah.

1487
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,120
Yeah.
Like, what do you think?

1488
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,120
Do you think teachers will just
go?

1489
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,440
Do you know what?
You're right, actually.

1490
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,600
Yeah.
Let's just change it to four

1491
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,040
weeks like everyone else gets
apparently.

1492
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,240
And keep the same pay.
Let's just keep the same pay.

1493
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,600
Are you insane?
Of course not.

1494
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:13,920
Of course that won't happen.
Yeah.

1495
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,560
Are you are you actually stupid?
Because I think these people are

1496
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,640
actually stupid when these
people actually really honestly

1497
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,520
think that we should just get
rid of the holidays for the same

1498
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,840
amount of pay.
I do think they are stupid

1499
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,280
because what they don't really
fathom in their head is that

1500
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,880
different jobs have different
pay packets.

1501
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,360
So when we're talking about, OK,
a quantity surveyor who's on

1502
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,320
£80,000 a year, I think it's
four weeks holiday or a teacher

1503
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,520
who's on £40,000 a year and gets
13 weeks holiday, they will

1504
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,600
literally go that teacher should
get less holiday.

1505
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,280
Like the people in the private
sector like that.

1506
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,480
You've only got 4 weeks off,
you've paid 80 grand mate, gets

1507
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,600
paid £80,000.
So you can't just look at one

1508
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,080
thing in isolation and say how
unfair it is.

1509
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,440
Is yeah, as a package it's
clearly already not working

1510
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:56,720
because so many teachers are
leaving.

1511
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,640
It's not an argument, but
they're not doing that the way

1512
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,120
they're not even comparing to
the quantity survey.

1513
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,720
They're comparing it to
themselves or that person they

1514
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,840
know who gets 4 weeks holiday
and gets paid 32 grand a year.

1515
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,320
Yeah, that's what comparing.
And I guess the point I'm making

1516
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,360
is I'm not comparing myself to
the quantity surveyor either.

1517
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,560
Yeah, because when, if, if
you're going to reduce my

1518
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,240
holidays, I'm not saying, well,
pay me 80 grand, not the

1519
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,360
quantity surveyor.
Then I understand that there are

1520
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,840
different pay packets, different
people.

1521
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,760
So I'm not looking up going
well, you're getting paid 80

1522
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,920
grand and you're going to get 4
hours.

1523
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,800
I should get paid 80 grand.
No, I, I don't think a teacher

1524
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,640
should get paid £80,000 for
teaching.

1525
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,480
Yeah, I just think that if
you're going to take away AX

1526
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,360
amount of holiday, you need to
bump pay up by 10 grand.

1527
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,720
Of course it does because that's
how much it's worth.

1528
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:33,960
So give me 50 grand for four
weeks.

1529
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,560
I'm not going to sit crying
because I know some people earn

1530
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,360
more than that.
I also know some people earn

1531
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,360
less.
But if you earn a a bit less

1532
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,520
maybe and you're annoying the
bloody teachers off the pay

1533
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,960
packet of the state.
It's like yes some jobs are

1534
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,080
funded by the taxpayer.
Do you think we shouldn't have

1535
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,440
schools?
Is that what you're suggesting?

1536
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,840
Is that what you think every
kind of Rd it leads down?

1537
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,760
It's just insane to me.
There's no actual fundamental

1538
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,840
point they're making other than
they don't like teachers so

1539
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,920
they're saying here's a perk you
have that's rubbish.

1540
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,320
Take away all them perks.
You're just honestly dumb.

1541
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,440
You are talking to me
personally.

1542
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,040
Now, but what I'm talking about
have I've had really nice

1543
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,120
nuanced debates with people
about stuff like this.

1544
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,160
And if if you're actually you
can, you can disagree in a way

1545
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,680
where you're thinking about the
context of something or the

1546
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,160
repercussion something might
have.

1547
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,520
If you just walk in and go, Ah,
let's holiday that.

1548
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,120
That'll fix it.
You're just dumb like you are.

1549
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:25,280
You haven't thought things
through.

1550
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,120
And it winds me up because these
people think they're on a

1551
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,000
pedestal because they can come
along into a post and be like, I

1552
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,200
was going to swear be be a be
like out there and outlandish

1553
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,040
and just take the mic completely
out of someone.

1554
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,960
And then it's not expect it
back.

1555
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,880
And as soon as you might get a
little bit back.

1556
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,400
But here we go, arrogant
teachers again, coming along and

1557
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,680
saying all this.
What?

1558
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:45,840
How dare you raise your voice
back?

1559
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,000
To them, you, you came to me and
said how much of a joke this job

1560
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,240
is and how we should get numb
parts.

1561
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,320
It's just ridiculous.
Just just think about it for

1562
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,440
more than three seconds.
Yeah.

1563
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,920
Well, that one touched the
nerve, didn't it?

1564
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,480
That's and that's what they say.
Well, you got a chip on your

1565
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,840
shoulder.
Yeah, Chip on your shoulder, Mr

1566
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:00,960
BD.
Brilliant, yeah.

1567
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,720
I'm not referring you anything
else from now on other than

1568
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,480
arrogant.
Mr Beardy thinks he's above.

1569
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,160
Yeah, in one more point on the
holiday.

1570
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,920
I'll move on to the next one.
It's just I always find it funny

1571
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,680
as well as if like as if the
holidays designed for teachers.

1572
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,920
It always makes me laugh because
I'm like, ultimately, ultimately

1573
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,280
it's so the kids aren't at
school for so much of the year

1574
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,240
because they're kids.
Yeah, they're kids.

1575
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:22,680
Yeah.
Yeah.

1576
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,600
Like we it wasn't built for
teachers, it was built so kids

1577
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,640
weren't at school all the time
because they actually, you know,

1578
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,080
they are young and free.
Like for Christ's sake.

1579
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,640
I've grabbed my bloody kid
again.

1580
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,080
It's only been six weeks since I
had my kid before.

1581
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,880
It's like, yeah, OK.
Yeah, Christ's sake.

1582
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,360
I know childcare is hard and
stuff, don't get me wrong I get

1583
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,400
all that but but come on, it's
not just about us one in the

1584
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,040
free easy life because do you
know what we don't?

1585
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,200
Have it.
That's why we're quitting so

1586
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,160
much, why so many teachers quit
every year.

1587
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,880
But there we go.
Next one, maybe the half.

1588
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,240
This one, you can probably tell
the age of the commenter, I

1589
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,680
think from this one.
They said smart dress sets a

1590
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,000
standard and if you don't want
to do that then maybe you're not

1591
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,080
cut out for teaching or
something.

1592
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,560
Like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1593
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,920
Insane.
Because that's it again, you're

1594
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,560
not reading the post.
I I literally said extra smart

1595
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,400
dress codes.
I think that a professional can

1596
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,560
look presentable, smart, well
dressed, well kept, etcetera,

1597
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,760
etcetera, and not wear a three
piece suit with a tie exactly.

1598
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,120
And not wear a full suit with a
tie.

1599
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:28,560
Even I, I, I wear Chino trousers
trousers, Chino trousers.

1600
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,720
Yeah, some like suede Chelsea
boot things.

1601
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,480
So they're still smart shoes,
but they're not like a leather

1602
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,640
horrible shoes that I'm just so.
Uncomfortable to wear and

1603
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,720
they're not like your Jordans.
Literally yeah.

1604
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,600
They're still still smart
looking shoes and I usually wear

1605
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,400
by 1/4 zip top.
Yeah.

1606
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,600
To me, that still looks smart in
terms of it still looks

1607
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,600
presentable.
It still doesn't look scruffy

1608
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,200
whatsoever.
No, but it's but also, I'm

1609
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,200
teaching 7 year olds and this
afternoon we're doing an art

1610
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,360
lesson.
We're an up and down with glue

1611
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,120
sticks.
Yeah.

1612
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,440
Like, what are you on about?
Set to standard.

1613
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,080
That is why I wear a Hessian,
Zack.

1614
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,880
We do so much art, it doesn't
matter.

1615
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,560
Do you know what I mean?
It doesn't matter if it gets all

1616
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,400
over me.
Like my clogs can just go in the

1617
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,680
sink.
But I, I just, I just think,

1618
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,320
sorry, go back to me be actually
triggered by all these sounds.

1619
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,800
Is, is, I just think it's, it's
such a warped sense of society

1620
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,400
where you think we have to wear
extra smart full suits to get

1621
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,800
respect from children and set a
standard when that same child

1622
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,200
will go home, maybe at the
weekend, have some work done on

1623
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,640
their plumbing and the plumber
comes around who's obviously

1624
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,600
just wearing their work uniform.
And we're kind of what, what

1625
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,080
this person is basically saying
is that it's OK to not respect

1626
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,520
them as much because they're not
wearing a Yeah, of course.

1627
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,560
Yeah.
So of course, of course, what I

1628
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,360
teach my children to do is to
respect everyone based on their

1629
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,320
personality and their actions
and what they do.

1630
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,360
And there is, of course, a line
where I'm not wearing a three

1631
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,560
piece Nike tracksuit of my
hoodie up.

1632
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,680
Yeah, of course there's a line,
but the line's way lower down.

1633
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,360
Then you've got to be at the top
because you're setting the

1634
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,240
standard for everyone.
Mate, I'm a teacher teacher.

1635
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,960
The only people I set, the only
people I think of when I think

1636
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,160
of full three piece suits are
big wigs in the city working for

1637
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,680
the banks or people in the court
appearance.

1638
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,440
They're the only people I can
think of who are actually.

1639
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,040
Wearing And funnily enough, they
do think they're better than

1640
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,200
everyone.
So no, I'm not joking.

1641
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,760
Yeah, I think it's.
Just backwards to me.

1642
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,160
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Teaching kids to respect people

1643
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,920
based on their how they look and
how they dress is probably not,

1644
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,560
probably not that progressive,
not very good.

1645
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,920
So I do, I do think maybe we
should chill out on the extra

1646
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,480
smart dress codes and stop
teaching kids that passively

1647
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,240
because we are, we are teaching
that, like you said with the

1648
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,000
plumber.
We are teaching them they're

1649
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,440
lower.
They're lower.

1650
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,960
That McDonald's worker is lower
because they're not wearing a

1651
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,960
suit like this teacher.
It's like, no, they're not, No,

1652
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,480
they're not.
They're just people doing a job

1653
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,760
anyway #4 someone said I'd get
rid of teachers holding

1654
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,880
children's education hostage by
going on strike.

1655
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,440
I noticed that was a big theme,
by the way.

1656
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,320
There was a lot of comments
about, oh, how about teachers

1657
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,280
going?
How about teachers going on

1658
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,200
strike when we get rid of that?
How about we get rid of teachers

1659
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,800
going on strike when I can't
even take my kid on holiday?

1660
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,800
How about we get rid of teachers
going on strike constantly

1661
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,120
through the comments?
So what do you think?

1662
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,320
Just summarise it because we you
know, our literal first episode

1663
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,720
is about.
Yeah, I'll be very quick here.

1664
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,840
I'm not even going to go into
why we're striking.

1665
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,960
All I'm going to say here is
that it is so backwards,

1666
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,840
bootlicking, authoritarian,
loving to suggest that we just

1667
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,960
accept from the top down
government incentives and things

1668
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,760
just because that's why.
No, not at all.

1669
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,480
If the government have decided
something, I have the right to

1670
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,560
withdraw my work in protest
against it if they're not going

1671
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,600
to change it.
If, as a professional I've

1672
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,680
decided that it's better for my
children to have outcomes other

1673
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,960
than what they have decided
themselves, I'm only doing it to

1674
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,320
help the wider society.
I'm not doing it for a day off

1675
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,040
because it's not free.
I'd lose money.

1676
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,640
I'm trying to help children, I'm
trying to help myself.

1677
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,160
I've got no qualms in saying
it's for me as well to get my

1678
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,200
pay packet up, because it is.
And that's not a bad thing.

1679
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,280
Oh we, we, we will only strike
if it's affecting the children

1680
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,600
negatively.
No, no, it's both.

1681
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,200
Except it's both and it's OK to
be both.

1682
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,760
Don't be scared to say you're
striking because you want a

1683
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,720
better pay packet as well.
That's in line with inflation.

1684
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,720
That's better because why 20
years ago should a teacher be

1685
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,280
earning much more than what a
teacher earns today based on

1686
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,240
inflation?
And house prices are sky

1687
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,480
rocketing as well.
No, no, no, no guys, listen.

1688
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,120
It's OK to say that you're
striking because of your pay,

1689
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,040
just like it's also in the same
context because of the children.

1690
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,920
It can be both.
Both OK, we don't have to say,

1691
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,040
well I would accept it if if it
was fully funded and the kids

1692
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,160
get everything that that that's
fine.

1693
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,880
But don't feel bad about saying
it's for you and your profession

1694
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,360
as well because we can fight for
both of these things because

1695
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,640
both of these things are
important.

1696
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,120
Don't just blindly accept what
the government lay down in front

1697
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,640
of you.
Obviously, I meant to that very

1698
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,080
good, very good point.
How?

1699
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,840
How long do you think it will be
before?

1700
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,920
People stop bringing up strikes.
You know how like you, like

1701
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,720
people mention strikes as if it
happens every year.

1702
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,440
OK.
I've been teaching for you.

1703
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,080
Tell me 9 years.
Not quite.

1704
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,080
You've been teaching for 10
years.

1705
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,400
Yeah.
How many times?

1706
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,120
And I don't mean individually, I
mean in a block.

1707
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,520
So we, we, we did a few days of
striking a couple of years ago.

1708
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,000
Yeah.
How many times have you gone on

1709
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,560
strike in my decade?
I've been teaching in a decade.

1710
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,280
I don't know what yours is.
One time, one time.

1711
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,600
One time.
One time, one time.

1712
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,480
So it's just, it's just so
inflated.

1713
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,920
And so the media love talking
about it because maybe the

1714
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,600
unions have said, oh, we're
thinking about striking Eve and

1715
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,520
so many discussions gone
beforehand.

1716
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,800
Guys, I've been on strike once
in my whole career, on almost a

1717
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,680
decade of teaching.
I've been on strike once, OK?

1718
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,520
It is not a thing that teachers
just do Willy nilly.

1719
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,160
It's not.
We're not holding hostage.

1720
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,360
Come on, get over yourself.
Holding hostage.

1721
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,160
It's just ridiculous holding
that children's education

1722
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,960
hostage.
These are the same people that

1723
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,560
will also say I want to take my
kid on a week holiday.

1724
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,200
It just doesn't make any sense
to me.

1725
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,200
Which side of the argument are
you on?

1726
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,320
Are you on the side where you
think it's probably all right

1727
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:43,960
for kids to miss a few days or
not?

1728
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,680
You can't.
They are the same because of the

1729
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,000
wider.
Bigger picture, like we're

1730
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,680
saying in this case, it's
because we want more funding for

1731
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,960
your children in general in
school because it's crumbling.

1732
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,200
Yeah, yeah, just didn't say
right.

1733
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,760
Last one go.
On last one, because you're

1734
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,160
getting really vexed by this I'm
going to we have to go and calm

1735
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,280
down after something I'm taking
a little taking a little chill.

1736
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,440
Thank you.
Thanks very last one said I get

1737
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,360
rid of teachers who have never
worked but think they're hard

1738
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,400
done by I.
Think the OK.

1739
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,880
Here we go.
Everyone get ready.

1740
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,760
No, no, no.
OK.

1741
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,120
Bubbling, bubbling.
Bubbling, bubbling.

1742
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,360
Mr Beard, he's getting angry.
OK, the biggest problem with

1743
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,120
this, there's the 17 problems
with this.

1744
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,720
The biggest problem with this is
the idea from so many people out

1745
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,320
there that teaching isn't work.
Like Like I'd get rid of

1746
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,360
teachers who have never worked
but think they're hard done by.

1747
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,080
As if like there's a real world
out there of work where we

1748
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,040
actually do work.
Not like your little bubble.

1749
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,880
We get our hands dirty out here.
Yeah.

1750
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,120
What I.
Do is I've got some cogs and I

1751
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,960
put it on a thing and I get them
out and just have physical work.

1752
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,560
Guys, there's lots of different
types of work.

1753
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,720
I, I am not.
And despite what I've just said,

1754
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,640
I'm actually, I am not demeaning
any type of work.

1755
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,040
There is always going to be
somewhere that's physically

1756
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,760
demanding.
There's always going to be some

1757
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,120
work, which is a matter of life
and death.

1758
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,000
There's always going to be some
work, like teaching, which is

1759
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,960
still physical to more than
people think it is, but also a

1760
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,960
lot more to do with your mental
side and your aptitude and your

1761
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,560
teaching, your pedagogy,
etcetera like that.

1762
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,520
That's that's how society works.
Do you want everyone to be doing

1763
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,800
all of the jobs all of the time?
Is that what you want?

1764
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,240
Yeah, because that's just
nonsense.

1765
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,080
That's not how it works.
I've got a specialism in

1766
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,240
teaching.
It's ridiculous.

1767
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:20,359
It's work.
Of course it's work.

1768
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,120
Yeah, it's so patronising.
I'm pretty sure this person had

1769
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,399
a profile picture of like Jeff
Bezos or something like that.

1770
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,760
You can you can tell how how
well.

1771
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,880
They thought about Jeff Bezos
really works.

1772
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,520
Yeah, he really works hard.
He does right.

1773
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,680
He's earned what he's got.
Yeah, You just know what

1774
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,720
generation he's he's worked hard
to get to the top.

1775
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,319
It's like what and what?
And scrape off billions from all

1776
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:39,600
the work.
As he Yeah.

1777
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,040
And and his workers who work in
the in the warehouse for their

1778
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,279
whole career don't work hard
enough.

1779
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,560
Yeah, you mean they've, they
just worked hard and we'd have

1780
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,319
Amazon.
Too.

1781
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,200
Yeah, if they were just given
£1,000,000 to start that

1782
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,840
business in their garage by
their parents, they would be all

1783
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,080
right.
Honestly it would just be fine

1784
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,960
if you just work harder.
These bloody teachers don't know

1785
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,399
hard work if it hit him in the
face.

1786
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,040
Honestly, and with that right, I
think, I think we need to end

1787
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:00,880
this episode.
We need to wrap.

1788
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,040
It up.
I think I did really well to

1789
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,960
hold back my replies.
I don't.

1790
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,240
Oh, wait.
On, on.

1791
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,720
Yeah, on social media.
You were quite.

1792
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,200
You were quite good.
Because I know the real you.

1793
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,040
Is this what you're doing right
now?

1794
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,680
And I know that you'd be few in
reading these things.

1795
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,880
And you mostly replies are
quite.

1796
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,359
I try not to reply and if I did
reply I tried to just be like.

1797
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:18,439
Are you all right?
Yeah.

1798
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,520
Yeah, stuff like that.
Anyway, definitely.

1799
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,840
Let's finish up this episode
here, guys.

1800
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,640
I hope you have a great week
after all of that.

1801
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,439
I would love, love it if you got
to this point in the podcast.

1802
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,359
I would love it so much if you
left as a review.

1803
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,680
It really, really, really helps
us and we see a big boost every

1804
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,279
time we ask.
So, guys, if you haven't left

1805
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,439
those review, whatever you're
listening on, please do it right

1806
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:36,920
now.
Hey, anything to say before we

1807
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:37,800
go?
Cool.

1808
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:38,920
See you later, guys.
Nice one.

1809
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:39,040
Yeah.