Ep 108: The Most TOXIC School Stories Ever: Hidden Cameras, Grading Displays & Public Shaming

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Seek, Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
My hands always come out like

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I'm introducing a show.
You're extremely animated, I.

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Know, I get so excited every
time I've got to Gee myself up.

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That's nice.
I know because I don't, you

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know, normally it was just a
normal morning where I wasn't

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doing this.
Yeah, having to talk to me.

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Yeah, I've got a quick thing to
say because Hayden and I share a

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ChatGPT account and we use, we
use AI for certain things now

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and then and I don't use it that
much at all really.

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But we share an account.
And I don't know if anyone's

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used ChatGPT before, but down
the side where you do like new

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searches or, you know, new
queries, new chats.

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Yeah, sorry.
You know, because you use it so

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much and, and it, and it like
kind of gives it a title,

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summarises it.
And I was searching something

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the other day and I just looked
to the left and I said, oh

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wonder.
What's after?

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I don't think I've.
Searched that and I realised

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when I shared account.
And it said, why do I, why, why

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do I wake up feeling exhausted
every day?

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AI help me expose me big time.
We were pleased to know.

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I was kind of hoping you'd had a
look by now.

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But you'll be pleased that I've
left another relic in there for

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you yesterday.
Yeah.

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So next time you check chat DVC.
Okay, next, enjoy yourself next

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podcast episode.
Yeah, you told me you saw that.

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I was like, right, I'm gonna
searching on purpose now.

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Buys the bank.
Oh my God, it really made me

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laugh because we've had this
conversation so much over the

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years.
How that feeling of waking up

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not satisfied with the other
sleep you had, no matter how

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much sleep you've had.
And we both agreed in the past

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it was like, well, it's clearly
nothing to do.

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If I actually have sleep, then
is it?

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Yeah.
Because even when I get 10 hours

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sleep or five hours sleep, you
wake up groggy and it's like,

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oh, it's probably, probably the
thing we know it is, which is

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our diet and I love.
Yeah, I don't know why I I chat

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to you.
I don't know.

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I think I was hoping it would be
like yeah, you've got this

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condition you need to take these
tablets and it'll fix your life.

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Of course not No, it's like stop
eating 5 Easter eggs every day.

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Maybe do that right and go to
bed on time and then then maybe

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you'll be all right.
And it's like.

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Oh, I don't know about.
Don't actually can't trust AI.

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Yeah, is it that or is it
something else?

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I don't know.
I better just ask ChatGPT.

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I'm a little bit disappointed
actually.

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In you this week speaking,
Speaking of food, because you

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were going you were gearing up
to get yourself a kebab.

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Yeah.
If you've listened, you know,

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recently, you'll know about the
you know, Mr Kebab, the kebab

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shop of dreams, the kebab shop
from from heaven itself, right.

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Yeah.
Beautiful food.

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You were gonna get one I.
Was because you sent me another

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voice note saying that you got
your 2nd kebab like second stint

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of kebab whether a new story.
He'd already left two reviews.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then we spoke about that

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previously and you you said
you're going to leave a third

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review because the newest kebab
you had was the best one you've

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ever.
Had and it was a bit different

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because the previous ones were
wrapped and I rang them up this

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time just to tell them.
That was the best part of this

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story.
Couldn't.

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That was the best.
The funniest part of this story

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was that you picked up the
phone.

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This is someone who avoids phone
calls.

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Like, you're not as bad as me,
but the idea of ringing someone

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for something I need like, like,
puts fear in my heart.

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You just to say your kebab's
good.

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It's lovely, but it's hilarious.
What are you going to do?

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What are you going to do about
it?

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It was brilliant, but you didn't
get one.

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I was well pumped into like Roy
own review.

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Roy was going down late, the
timings didn't match up, I

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needed to get something quick so
I just didn't bother ordering.

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But I'll tell you what, Speaking
of kebabs, clearly, clearly

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ChatGPT is not going to save me.
Yesterday I was outside, you

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know this Dylan, but I've got to
everyone, right?

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We were outside in my house and
my neighbour came across because

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our gardens like, you know,
touch whatever.

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What?
Sorry, sorry, join Are you

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explaining to are you sorry?
Are you explaining to our are

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you explaining to our listeners
how next door neighbours work?

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Trying to know what I'm trying
to say.

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All of you there don't know
where next door neighbours are.

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Next door neighbours are where
they are next door to your house

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and and there's a boundary where
where the things.

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OK, our driveways, they meet
right?

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OK, because neighbours, that's
how it works.

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Sometimes it happens in I.
Was just sat there thinking

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what's a bloody next door
neighbour, how does it work I

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don't know how.
Do they always know?

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Anyway, they they come home and
they and we bumped into my

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driveway and we're chatting to
them and our neighbour.

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For context, they're like late
70s, so much, much older than

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me.
And neighbour looked at me and

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was like, oh, you put on weight.
But I'm so talking about.

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Yeah, because he's, I get I'm
really well with these guys.

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I come around within the next
week.

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But it was just like clearly a
generational thing where he was

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like, oh, is that sorry, is that
bit blunt?

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He was like, I was just, I just
say things how it is.

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You just, you just look a bit
stockier.

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And I was like, well, I have
been eating multiple kebabs and

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Easter eggs.
So yeah, I guess I guess I am.

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Cheers, mate.
You know, like you don't know

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how to react because he wasn't
trying to be mean.

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No, he was literally just being
like, oh, you're you're you've

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put on some weight.
Oh, you've had a haircut, you've

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had a haircut.
You're a bit bigger.

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You haven't had a haircut?
Haven't had a haircut.

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Well, I've had many of them, but
yeah, it's just so funny.

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It's so funny how like
completely different like that

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generational thing is.
Unless he was being rude, but.

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No, yeah, I think, I think a lot
of people have older people when

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you go see a nan, sort of.
Look at you.

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Apology.
Yeah, like.

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Grab you.
Yeah, yeah, Nans are usually the

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ones trying to feed you.
That's true.

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Yeah, you're the reason now.
I cry when she tells me, in

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fact.
But yeah, I just thought it was

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so funny.
Just just just literally just

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just was like, oh, you're
getting fat like in as you know,

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as good as only different words.
I'm enjoying it.

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And do you know what you can
say?

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Yeah, all bought and paid for.
All bought and paid for baby.

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I just said your belly.
I got really angry and stormed

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off.
How how many Easter eggs do you

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think you've already eaten?
Because for context we're

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filming this, it's the week
before Easter.

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How many do you reckon you've
eaten?

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Like honest, I'm not
exaggerating.

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Why, of course I'm when you're
honest.

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Honest.
Honestly like 7, maybe like 7.

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Proper ones or small?
No little ones, little ones,

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Little ones, yeah.
Any proper like big ones?

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I've had one of the ones that
are like 4 LB and the rest have

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all been there is like £1.50.
Like the little mini egg ones.

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Yeah, I've been a lot of them,
yeah.

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Because they're just a snack,
aren't they?

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They?
Are they just take 4?

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One go like you don't stop.
I don't stop eating that, do you

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know what I mean?
I crack over the egg and it's

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just bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
Whole thing's gone.

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If you want to have any help
with food habits, Charlie's

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episodes a couple of episodes
ago.

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Literally if this sounds like
you.

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Yeah, This is why I needed him.
Yeah, This is why I needed him,

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Absolutely.
And still need him.

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Yeah, because I have a terrible,
terrible.

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Well, next door, Next door knows
you need clearly, Yeah.

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And if anyone doesn't know, our
next door neighbour is it's

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where your house.
It's it's where you live.

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It's the one next to you where
there is a line.

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Yeah, so what's the other side?
That's wait for this.

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Yeah, that's also called your
next door neighbour.

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I know, right?
Yeah.

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Typical English language.
I can't.

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Think of same word for.
These things, the same word

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homophone.
The most descriptive, simple

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thing I've ever heard.
Next.

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Door neighbour.
Yeah, Thanks, mate.

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Anyway, Speaking of houses,
how's your house getting on,

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mate?
Because your house has been a

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bombshell for about two months,
all right?

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Yeah.
No, it's good.

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It's, it's, we're very lucky to
have amazing people working on

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our house genuinely like so, so
Lauren's dad does a lot of, a

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lot of the bits around the
house.

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He's been organising basically
everything, getting people in to

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do stuff.
We've had walls knocked down,

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you know, things that the
kitchen's really nice and open

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now.
I've had the upstairs done.

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We'll be moving up there for the
podcast very soon.

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So new podcast studio, more of a
studio than we currently have.

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Get out of this.
Dumps.

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I can't wait to get out here.
So that'll that'll happen at

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some point.
And most importantly, the

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upstairs bathroom has been done.
Yeah, you, you keep raving about

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this.
Because it's the best thing

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that's ever happened to me in my
life.

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I don't know about any of you
guys.

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Right?
OK, I don't think I'm being

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dramatic here when I say it has
transformed my life.

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What do you?
Mean the bathrooms because

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there's a shower up there,
right?

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And I'll be honest with you.
I've.

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I don't like showers.
I'm just being honest.

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Yeah.
Not because I I love after the

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shower the feeling of being
clean and I still shower.

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You like washing?
Yeah, of course.

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Yeah.
But the actual act of a shower

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where it's like rain, you know,
I don't like it.

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I don't I don't stop laughing at
me.

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Sorry.
I don't like, I don't like

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standing underneath a shower
head and being a PITA, pita,

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pita, pita.
But constantly I hate it.

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Like it's just sensory overload
and aspect.

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I don't like it at all.
And our shower in our house is

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the smallest shower you'll ever
see.

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So usually what I like to do in
a shower and I might be the only

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person in the world, I don't
know, let me know because I've

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said this before and they
thought what is wrong with you?

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I like to stand, not under the
water, right?

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Kind of showering procedure
that.

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No, I stand not under the water
and I like put my hand in and

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cup the water and.
Talking about I.

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Don't like standing under it, it
just, it feels horrible.

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So I cut my hand.
I'll stand like I stand on the

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Yeah like like the shower is my
next door neighbour, right?

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There's a line, isn't there
where the water starts?

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Yeah.
So I'll stand as close to that

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as I can and I'll like push my
chest in maybe I want to wash my

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chest.
But then if I want to do

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anything else, like under my
armpits or like round my legs

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and stuff, I'll like cup some
water in or like just gently put

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my leg in and I'll just do bits
at a time because I don't like

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being in the shower.
But our shower's so small that

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I'm like constantly in it and
it's just like, it's a

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nightmare.
I hate it.

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I hate every second I'm in the
shower.

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I try to do as quickly as
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Anyway, upstairs, there's a
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It's.
Huge.

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Fit like 5 people that are

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standing in there comfortably
and have like a party which

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we'll test.
Yeah, we will test later on.

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And then and then the shower
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comfortably with like room to
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I can stand outside the shower
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As in inside the shower kind of,

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you know, the outside.
What's it called?

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The door?
Yeah, I can stand.

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I can stand here standing, I can
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water right and have the best
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from having a reluctant shower a
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I know I want to be clean to I'm
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Showers.
Somebody hate showering.

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You're having two.
You're like a cat actually,

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aren't you?
So swinging a cat because cats

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hate water.
They they yeah, they hate it.

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You can put a cat in the shower.
It'd be it'd be doing what

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you're me and the cat.
It'd be sat to the tide alarming

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up its body.
Me and six.

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Cats can get in that shower
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Had a.
Great time.

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I just, I I just, I just love

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the idea that you've, like,
forced yourself to shower all

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these years because the shower
environment just hasn't been

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quite right for you.
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Yeah.
And what you do is you basically

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make little mini baths in your
hand and bath yourself in the

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most awful possible way rather
than just going and having a

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bath.
No, Hell no, Because baths take

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time.
It's like convenience.

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It's like, jeez, do you want a
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Yeah, see you in two hours when
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I know it's too hot and it's
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A bath and you waste all that
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I don't know, Hayden.
I just.

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I just.
Yeah, that that, you know, do

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you?
Think you waste more from a bath

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or from having a shower?
Are you taking the Mick?

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I don't know, I don't have to
put how long you shower.

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Are you joking?
What do you mean it's nowhere

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near what, like a 1 bath full?
Oh my gosh, you run a bath for

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like 2 minutes but you'll be in
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bath for. 2 minutes.
This is my point.

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Takes like half an hour to run a
bath.

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No, it doesn't.
No, it takes ages.

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It takes ages.
No, they're incomparable.

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Really.
Do you think?

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Yeah.
No, I'm not.

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I'm not.
No, Hayden, I don't think I.

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Know so running a shower for
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Yeah, wouldn't, wouldn't nowhere
near for the above.

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Surely I got to test it.
I'm going to ChatGPT in a

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minute.
I'm going to find out.

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I'm going to find out all these
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Yeah, it's very common knowledge
that having a shower is much

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better for them.
So is it dumb that I have not?

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I can't comprehend the idea that
they might not be roughly equal.

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I I I'm like doubting myself
now.

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This is where we're on a
podcast.

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We've got to be careful, we say,
haven't we?

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But I am.
I'm very much amazed that you

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think they're comparable.
Yeah, I think that a shower is

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way less.
Viewers.

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Listeners, let us know.
Right now, what waste?

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Small walls.
But by the time you listen to

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this, we'd have gone on.
Or Dylan's two showers.

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A day, my 2 showers a day, so
I'm in there for seven hours, so

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just the whole of my waking
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Yeah, he's just spent in that.
Shower that is.

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Thank you for that.
Anyway, Joy, yeah, well, let's

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get on to why we're actually in
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Yeah, because we've we've saved
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Normally we might go on for a
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We've saved a big chunk of this
because we are going back to our

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roots.
Hayden, one thing that really

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propelled this podcast when we
first started off, one of our

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most still most streamed
episodes was I think our fifth

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episode.
And it was about toxic schools

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opening up about what it's like
to work in a toxic school, what

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a toxic school looks like.
And it resonated with a lot of

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people.
Now on TikTok, we've recently

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gone over 10,000 TikTok
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So if you're coming from TikTok,
welcome, Thank you for joining

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us.
And I did a post on TikTok which

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was let me know your most toxic
stories from school.

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And I even said, I'm not talking
about an empty staff room.

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I'm not talking about having to
underline kids dates and stuff

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for them.
I'm talking about really toxic

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stuff that was just
unbelievable.

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And you struggled to continue to
work out exactly that.

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And I think having looked at the
comments, which are near 1000

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now, it popped off.
We've gone through and selected

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what we think are the most.
I was going to say best, but

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that's obviously the wrong word.
Yeah, just shocking, I guess.

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Right.
Just like ones that just made us

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go, oh, I'm not.
You know, we've seen a lot of,

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we spoke to a lot of people and
we've seen a lot of stories.

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Yeah.
And some of these ones were just

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like, I can't believe this.
Yeah, and some of them we

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honestly, we're not going to
read out most of them.

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Some of them I read and I
thought that's horribly toxic,

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but unfortunately I've heard
that and yeah, that happens a

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lot.
Horrendous.

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We all sort of know about, Yeah,
we tried to pick ones, but yeah,

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I guess it's just a bit more
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As if this happened.
So I can't wait to stick our

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teeth into this to talk about
them.

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And I really want to know from
you guys how how many of these

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do you recognise and what do you
think of them?

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Get in touch with us.
Yeah.

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Where can I do that?
The number for Jingle Teach C

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Repeat podcast on Instagram and
you can find us on TikTok now

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Teach C repeat podcast and you
can get in touch with us via

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e-mail and this isn't an e-mail
thing, but if you've got this

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far into our little chat, you've
not even.

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Got to the bottom.
Can I say, can I say, can you

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leave us a review?
Specifically, five stars.

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Yep, thank you very much.
Let us know.

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Let's dive straight in to the
most toxic stories we have ever

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seen in a school before we dive
in and yeah, this is going to be

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a laugh and we're going to have
jokes and we're going to say how

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ridiculous these things are.
There is a genuinely a serious

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point I want to make now, like a
slight trigger warning where we

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will, we will be mentioning some
horrific things because some of

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the comments we got were about
bereavements, were about

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problems.
You know, think about how

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dominated our, our profession is
with women and, and they were

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about pregnancies.
And there'll be some stories in

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here that people might resonate
with and might make them upset.

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And just be aware of that when
we're going through this, that

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everything we're saying is true.
It's from real people.

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These are real issues that there
will be some scattered in there,

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some funny bits, some bits that
we can have a good laugh about.

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Almost so ridiculous that a
laughable.

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Yeah, exactly.
Not a lot.

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Not because we think that's
funny, but because it's it's

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laughable that it's that the SLT
or whatever it is that doing the

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toxic thing could actually think
that.

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Exactly.
So we're going to have a laugh,

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we're going to have a joke, but
there are going to be some here

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where we just can't laugh about
because they're just horrendous.

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And I just want to let you guys
know that before we dive in.

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Proper trigger warning.
Not that before.

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We never had to do that before,
but there you go.

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That's what happens when you
talk about the toxicity in the

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schools.
We can put a trigger warning out

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because that's how bad it is
exactly in some places.

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Should we start with the first?
Yeah, go on.

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Because this, this is
incredible.

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This is incredible.
Worked in a Catholic school, got

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asked to do a lunch duty every
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That's toxic.
Wait, not finished and then told

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quote like Jesus, we all have to
make sacrifices.

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That's just that's funny to me.
It's bad and it's funny because

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it's like, come on, you can't
say that.

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No, you can't say that.
Wait, they can like Jesus, we

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all have to make sacrifices.
So actually we're donating all

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of your pay this month.
So are you.

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You're also thank you for making
the sacrifice on my behalf.

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That's that's the best thing you
know about sacrifice, isn't it?

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When someone else chooses it for
me?

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Cheers.
Yeah, that you've got to look at

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the definition of what a
sacrifice is here.

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Isn't that sacrifice something
you choose to do?

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It's.
My I sacrifice myself.

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You don't sacrifice me.
What are you talking about?

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Honestly, that's just mad.
What a funny.

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One that was a good one to get
started in general whilst we're

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on like Catholic schools and
stuff.

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I used, I used to go to a
Catholic school, and I don't

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think it was toxic inherently
because I really instilled in me

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a bit of like of the idea of
service, right, The idea of

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giving to other people.
OK.

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And I can kind of see this train
of thought here of, well, we all

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have to make sacrifices.
We all have to give to other

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people.
But I can see where that does

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become toxic.
Yeah, I can see that seeping

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into the workplace.
Yeah, you can.

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You can.
You can totally use it to

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manipulate people.
Yeah, of course you can.

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Yeah.
Oh, we have this big culture of

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service, don't we?
So now I want this thing,

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though.
Yeah.

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Oh, I'm just going to gaslight
you into thinking it's because

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of the service things actually,
not because of.

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I just want this thing.
Yeah, it's because of the

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service that we all do.
Like whatever.

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Yeah, no, there's just a line,
isn't there?

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If it's something like there's a
Carroll service tonight, it'd be

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nice to go.
Yeah, even even now, all I might

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not agree of it.
I think that's nicer and kinder

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and more of a way to kind of use
that than do a lunch duty.

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This is just pure like profiting
from free work.

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Yeah, but no, because Jesus told
me.

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Oh, sorry.
It's.

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Like what?
I know what?

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Actually, I'm so silly I forgot.
John 211 thou shalt work for

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free.
And lunch duty.

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Yeah, that was.
It's literally they put it in

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our contract.
Recently, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Put it in there because they
know what Bible verses.

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Yeah, they will follow the Bible
course.

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Madness.
How can I forget?

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Quick question, Deep question.
You don't have to answer it if

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you don't want to.
Would would you send Roy to a

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Catholic school?
Like if, if that was like the

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closest school to you and that's
would you send him to a Catholic

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school or would you be like, no,
I don't actually want him to go

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to a Catholic school.
I wouldn't.

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I'd OK Rory's my son friend who
doesn't know.

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I wouldn't rule it out
immediately just because it was

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a Catholic school, sure.
However, I would not prefer

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that.
Yeah.

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OK.
So I, you know, if if there was

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a school down the road and it
was an amazing school and had a

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really lovely ethos and it was a
nice place to be for him and he

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can learn stories.
I'd I'd be more willing to let

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him go.
However, having gone to a

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Catholic school myself, I, I do
fundamentally disagree with how

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the religion is taught there and
how it seeps into absolutely

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everything.
If it was just like standalone

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RE lessons and maybe they taught
it as Jesus did this, like it

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was a fact, maybe I could deal
with that better in terms of, I

452
00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,280
could say to Rory, well, look,
Rory, you're in a Catholic

453
00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,440
school.
This is what Catholics believe.

454
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,280
It's not necessarily true, but I
think that'd be confusing for a

455
00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,119
kid for me to then say, oh, by
the way, but the other things

456
00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,440
you're learning, that's just a
factor.

457
00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,280
That's true that that'd be hard
for me to get.

458
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,320
That's true to him.
But the where I really struggle

459
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,400
with things like Catholic
schools is I, I struggle with

460
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,200
how it is just embedded into
everything.

461
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,520
For example, I went to a
Catholic school.

462
00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,000
There were there were picked
framed pictures of the Pope in

463
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,600
every room like there was, I
know you're laughing because it

464
00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,080
seems crazy, right?
But there were framed pictures

465
00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,680
of the Pope in every room.
Like we started every lesson

466
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,920
with like a prayer.
Do you know what I mean?

467
00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,920
And every single assembly was
essentially A preaching sermon.

468
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,960
Yeah, it was essentially like,
this is what happened, kids.

469
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,640
Jesus did this, and it's true,
and it's for you, and you need

470
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,880
to go and do that.
Yeah, I don't like that at all.

471
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,960
Yeah, I think, yeah, young minds
are very impressionable.

472
00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,200
Yeah, I think Catholic schools
probably for me on average, like

473
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,440
you said, I wouldn't roll out
straight away.

474
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,840
But the probability of them
probably going too far with

475
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,480
indoctrination to me is a bit
like, I don't really want to

476
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,720
take that risk.
I don't know much.

477
00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,440
I'll be indoctrinated into a
religion rather than just like

478
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,480
at six years old when they all
believe in anything.

479
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,440
Yeah, I mean, that's why I have
a problem with that.

480
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,000
But although I do remember being
in year 1 and being read the

481
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,360
Noah's ark story and my teacher
saying this is true and me

482
00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:36,360
thinking no it's not.
But I I remember thinking that

483
00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,440
this clearly isn't true.
There's been loads of Christians

484
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,240
out there going well it's not
literally true.

485
00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,800
Like it's this.
Yeah, but you know, you were 6.

486
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,480
But I was 6 and I was being told
that.

487
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,360
This was true.
Kids would.

488
00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:47,440
Think so and that's absolutely
true is in that as in it's not

489
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,400
true story, but it's true that
kids were think that.

490
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,760
Yeah, yeah.
But you remember that you're the

491
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,880
kid that the year before that
was eating silica gel in.

492
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,480
Class.
Like you, you know you're not

493
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,680
you're not quite the same.
I was, I was, I was the, I was

494
00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,880
the kid in the year 2 class who
was supposed to be in year 1 but

495
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,040
got skipped a year all right.
Mr Mr Oh, I got a math

496
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,840
specialism.
As well, I stayed yesterday for

497
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,040
two years.
Oh, let's not this one.

498
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,080
We went too far.
Yeah.

499
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,040
But yeah, and, and I very
quickly, I think space schools

500
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,840
will do a whole episode in this
perhaps in the future.

501
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,920
I think it's different again to
a Church of England school.

502
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,480
And I think that's different
again to just a straight up

503
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,080
state school with nothing to do
with religion.

504
00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,960
My, my gut instinct is always
secularism in times of you

505
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,520
should not have public services
like that with any kind of

506
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,640
religious force behind it.
But I've, I've literally worked

507
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,920
in a Church of England school
where it's done, in my opinion,

508
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,560
the very, very much the right
way, which are just here are

509
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,200
some strands of we can live our
life that's taken from this

510
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,240
religion.
We have almost a seam of this

511
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,120
religion here.
Yeah.

512
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,280
But we're very much inclusive of
all religions.

513
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,200
You don't have to pray.
It's not essential.

514
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,880
We tell you to think.
Just think for your own,

515
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,440
basically.
Christian values, basically.

516
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,280
It's classic.
It's very like, it's very

517
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,120
normal, I think, isn't it in
this country to see church in

518
00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:03,360
schools saying all these are
Christian values?

519
00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,160
Don't have to be a Christian,
but they're just good values to

520
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,880
live by.
Society will be good if you do

521
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,520
these things.
Yeah.

522
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,840
Yeah.
I don't know everyone.

523
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,400
There's a line there, but yeah,
Catholic schools.

524
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,920
I would honestly err on the side
of rathering ruling not.

525
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,760
Yeah, you'd really.
Because we're not a Catholic

526
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,360
family.
No, it's not even like, yeah,

527
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,600
it's just yeah, why would we?
We're not a Catholic family.

528
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah.

529
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,320
And I wouldn't even like just
have a clarification as well,

530
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,440
because I'm, I know you think
the same.

531
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,040
I've no, I've no, I don't care
what my child ends up believing

532
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,920
or not believing.
But the idea of, of telling them

533
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,560
to believe something when
they're 6789 all the way

534
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,760
through, when their brains are
sponges and they still think the

535
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,800
Easter Bunny is real.
Exactly.

536
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,200
It's like they're not ready to
make their own mind up yet.

537
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,160
So this is just indoctrination.
I worry with the idea of telling

538
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,400
sorry that Father Christmas is
real.

539
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,600
I struggle with that idea.
I will.

540
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,440
I obviously will because like,
it's so magical and I loved

541
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,960
Christmas so much growing up.
But like, you're talking to

542
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,840
someone here who feels guilt
inside of him, knowing that I'll

543
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,760
be lying to him and having at
some point to be like, oh, do

544
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080
you know that really lovely
story I told you for for seven

545
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,440
years?
That's not true, by the way.

546
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,240
Sorry.
What would I want to do?

547
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,120
Why would I?
Want to do that, like I get it's

548
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,440
magical and stuff, but and I
will do it, like I said a

549
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,320
million times, but that's what
you're talking to the person who

550
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,240
thinks that.
So when we extrapolate that to a

551
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,760
whole religion, yeah, of course
I don't want you to teach him

552
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,440
that this is true.
What I want you to teach him is

553
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,160
Christians believe this.
But I'd love next week for him

554
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,360
to learn about the Sikh
religion.

555
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,520
I'd love the week after him to
learn about Buddhism.

556
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,760
I don't want him to not learn
about.

557
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,080
And then things, and then
humanism and and agnosticism and

558
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,400
atheism, all of it.
It's just what this is, just

559
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,040
worldviews.
And exactly I want.

560
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,280
Him to make up your mind.
Exactly.

561
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,760
I want him to learn how people
view the world.

562
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,600
That's the end of it.
And religion comes into that

563
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,160
massively and should be involved
in that process.

564
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,120
But yeah, what I don't want is
someone coming up to him and

565
00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,840
saying, well, Rory, we all have
to make sacrifices.

566
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,720
He's staying.
At your break time today, Jesus

567
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,400
would have made sacrifices to
stay and do your work.

568
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,520
Please.
Yeah, do you want Jesus to be

569
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,280
disappointed?
Like, whoa, OK, now this.

570
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,960
That's gone too far.
That's gone too far.

571
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,600
By the way, Father Christmas is
not happy.

572
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,960
Hey, you're on the naughty list.
Yeah.

573
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,840
So, you know.
Yeah.

574
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,280
Hypocritical much?
Maybe.

575
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,760
But anyway, we went off our
attention.

576
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,720
Now let's go back to this
episode.

577
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560
That was good.
So another comment someone said

578
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,760
about toxic schools having wall
displays graded as outstanding,

579
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,520
good or or requires improvement
or inadequate graded displays.

580
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,120
Man, that's like our worst
nightmare, isn't it?

581
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,480
There's so much.
On every level wrong with this

582
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,840
one.
Firstly, as teachers, it's

583
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,920
literally written now in the
appendix of the teachers paying

584
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240
conditions document that we are
not expected to do displays.

585
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,920
So straight up, we should not
even be expected to be updating

586
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,680
and doing displays.
That's already wrong.

587
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,760
Then the fact it's graded, we
aren't even really supposed to

588
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,760
have graded in like observations
now for actual lessons long

589
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,480
gone.
So that that that's supposed to

590
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,440
be gone.
So where does where does

591
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,640
displays come on that list of
like things that should be

592
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,120
graded?
Observations would be top, so

593
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,520
them even being graded.
And I'd love to know what their

594
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,960
metric is like how they deem it
as outstanding.

595
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,440
Is it is it based on how much
they like looking at it?

596
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,360
Or is it based on how useful it
is for the kids?

597
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,840
Because I bet it's not that one.
I bet I could make a terrible

598
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,760
looking display that actually
just had some stuff on it that

599
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,120
was useful for the kids.
It looked awful.

600
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,800
But the I'd said to the kids
every day, if you're stuck, use

601
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,400
that thing.
I'll put the five key things up

602
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,720
there.
Just use that every day and it's

603
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,240
a useful display.
And then someone, and then I

604
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,040
could do another display that
was just like on some beautiful

605
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,360
tree like I've got in the corner
of my room.

606
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:13,240
It's.
Not double back though.

607
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,400
Yeah, it's like, what do you
mean outstanding?

608
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,960
I hate that it's just we should
just avoid.

609
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,640
That isn't that a huge red flag?
If I if I walked into a school,

610
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,920
Yeah, I was walking around.
This is where do you know when

611
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,360
people say things you should
look out for when you go around

612
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,480
in schools?
This is the bit where I'm like,

613
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,040
I can't, I can't really help you
with this.

614
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,080
Like, how do you find out?
Yeah, that A school grades their

615
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,240
displays.
Yeah.

616
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,280
Without just straight up asking
them all teachers there.

617
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,160
Like, yeah, I don't know if you
were looking for a new job at a

618
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,640
new school, that would be if I,
if I'd got a job, I was so

619
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,760
excited when I started and I
found that that happened on Week

620
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,440
1.
I'd be gutted because it would

621
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,640
be so like it would be so
symbolic of the way they treat

622
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,480
the school.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

623
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,800
I'd be like that.
Honestly that would probably be

624
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,480
enough for me to be like.
I don't think I want to work

625
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,640
because if you do this, you
probably do this, This, this

626
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,480
isn't it.
Yeah, definitely.

627
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,480
I wonder if we, Julie, should
try and do sometime put together

628
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,360
genuinely, like a little list of
things that you should ask when

629
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,720
going around on a visit.
Because I bet there is a way you

630
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,240
could casually, without standing
out like a sore thumb, just say,

631
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,240
oh, that's a really nice
display.

632
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,200
What's the kind of expectations
of displays in this school?

633
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,080
And I bet that's enough to bait
someone in to giving you just

634
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,920
enough information to know
whether it's going to be toxic.

635
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,360
Or not?
Are you really, really toxic?

636
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,320
Yes, that would be your list.
We're not going to write it your

637
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,480
way.
I do think though, on that very

638
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,600
quickly when people walk around
for interviews and stuff, you

639
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,920
have to be really careful what
you ask because it's a balancing

640
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,720
out here of sometimes you just
need a job like, like, so there

641
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,520
is a balancing out here of, OK,
look, I don't like the fact that

642
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,040
displays are upgraded.
So do I want to find this out?

643
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,960
Yeah.
Or do I need the job so much

644
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,560
that it's not worth me asking
that to look like that person to

645
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:45,400
SLT?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

646
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,560
Because no matter how you dress
it up, everything we say and do

647
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,480
in this podcast, I can imagine
if, if this podcast was played

648
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,440
to senior leaders across the
country, a huge proportion of

649
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000
them would be like, I maybe I
think it's great what you're

650
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,920
doing, lads, but I wouldn't hire
you.

651
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,480
Yeah.
Because immediately it's like,

652
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,800
well, this guy won't give me
this free stuff.

653
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,320
This guy, this guy will speak up
for that.

654
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,520
That's not something that I want
in my team even though I'm

655
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,400
trying to be a good leader
because it will be something

656
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,200
where my staff end up doing less
Yep.

657
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,480
So when you're asking questions,
I think I was making a list

658
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,880
might be really helpful actually
because.

659
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,680
You can do it casually.
How do you do it carefully?

660
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,080
Yeah, definitely.
And if every question you ask is

661
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,840
all about like, clearly about
like reduction in workload,

662
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,160
they're going to start getting
the hint.

663
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,240
And if it is a school, like most
schools really that are

664
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,840
thinking, we do kind of run off
of the goodwill of teachers

665
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,760
because that is the state of the
education system right now is

666
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,760
like, we do kind of require
everyone to do 20 hours, whether

667
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,120
I disagree with it or not at the
weekend.

668
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,200
That's so true.
If they notice that, yeah, it

669
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,240
might, it might put you, knock
you down in their favour, even

670
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,200
if they're nice people.
It's tricky.

671
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,120
Ones do you know what you should
do?

672
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:43,120
Say, come on, wait for our
school that was.

673
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:43,520
Time.
Yeah.

674
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,280
Let's start a school.
Let's start a school, shall we?

675
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,520
Maybe eventually, yeah.
That'll be fun.

676
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,680
I'd actually love that.
Anyway, next time.

677
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,440
Ready.
Yeah, go on, go for it.

678
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,320
Oh.
Thank you anonymous well-being

679
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,080
survey.
This one was unreal.

680
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,720
Head didn't like the answers
from the anonymous well-being

681
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,200
survey.
So what do you think he did

682
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,680
Hayden?
I don't know.

683
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,280
He read them out to the staff in
a staff meeting and argued each

684
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,600
individual point back about how
wrong the staff were.

685
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,800
That's embarrassing.
That's embarrassing, isn't it?

686
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,040
It is really embarrassing.
That's like, you need to grow up

687
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,920
sort of thing 100%.
Like, really immature, yeah.

688
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,600
What are you doing doing an
anonymous well-being?

689
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,440
Survey if you can't take it.
Exactly.

690
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,160
Don't do it then.
Yeah, but if you're gonna

691
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,320
pretend to not be toxic as hell,
yeah, don't.

692
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,600
Don't go halfway and then moan
about it when it works against.

693
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,880
It shows how hard it is not to
be personal, like take things

694
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,600
personal though in this country
that's true because because we

695
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,360
do devote our lives to it.
And you know what most SLT do

696
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:35,880
devote their lives to these.
Absolutely.

697
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,000
It does show that it's very,
very hard to strip back, strip

698
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,400
it back to.
Actually though.

699
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,720
I'm also just a manager of loads
of other adults who who I'm

700
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,160
responsible for their free time
or not.

701
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,240
Like I just need and if they're
all complaining about something

702
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,480
I need to take it on the chin.
Not personally but just do

703
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,840
something about it.
I need to put systems and

704
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,480
structures in place and not take
it personally.

705
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520
Very hard to do that.
For your from your point of

706
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,960
view, then where's the line
between something being actually

707
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,360
wrong, right?
Empirically being like, no,

708
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,880
that's against, you know, work
code or your contract or that's

709
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,520
just I should not be doing that
and where the impression of most

710
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,400
people is that your work don't
like what they're being asked to

711
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,640
do.
So where's your line between,

712
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,400
OK, I know that's empirically
wrong because I shouldn't ask

713
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480
you to be doing this extra work
after school hours.

714
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,160
But there's this other thing
where actually as a head

715
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,080
teacher, I am actually allowed
to.

716
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,520
And the unions say it's OK to
have different subject

717
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
coordinators who aren't on TLRS
and should just be running these

718
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,480
subjects.
And that's, and that's OK.

719
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,720
And I need people to be
coordinators of these subjects.

720
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,560
But all of my staff are saying
that's horrendous and awful.

721
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,080
Does that outweigh the facts,
whether it's actually right or

722
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:44,680
wrong?
I see what you mean.

723
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,680
Like a it's kind of like a
classic.

724
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,160
When you're in the know, you
might know the greater good.

725
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,240
Yeah, not even the greater good,
but you might just be like, oh,

726
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000
but OK, you might not like what
I'm asking you to do, but it is

727
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,320
OK and accepted and it is part.
Of it and I am your boss and

728
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,200
this is just.
A job, right?

729
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,920
So what what's the line for you?
Like is it like, OK, it doesn't

730
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,600
matter if 90% of your staff team
think something that's enough

731
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,280
for me that I should change it,
or do you fight that and be the

732
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,080
bad guy?
God, that's, that is a really,

733
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,440
really hard question because I
don't really know.

734
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,720
I don't really know exactly that
there's no line.

735
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,040
I don't think.
I think everything has to be

736
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,160
case by case.
I think, I almost think this is

737
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,520
probably the best way I can
prove this case by case.

738
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,000
I think that some decisions you
would have to make differently

739
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,400
depending on literally the
members.

740
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,200
If you had a completely
different staff team in the same

741
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,680
environment, same situation,
same school, you might make a

742
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,800
decision differently because
they're just different people,

743
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,800
not all honesty.
But you still need a coordinator

744
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,560
for your subjects.
How do you go about that?

745
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,320
Like you can't just not have
them if one set of staff or more

746
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,560
bullshit about it, do you just
like, well, sorry, like.

747
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,560
Yeah, there are, there are some
hard lines, I guess, like, yeah,

748
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,960
you can't just be like the
teachings, how tough?

749
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,280
I don't want to be in the class
anymore.

750
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,520
So what you want, Yeah, it's
your job as a teacher and I get

751
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,600
it.
So subject coordinators.

752
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760
But what you can do is then if
they're all complaining about

753
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,120
it, though, I don't think you
should just go.

754
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,680
I've got to have them though
tough.

755
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,880
I think it's your job as a
leader, a leader of a school in

756
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,680
a, in a job that we know is
horribly underfunded and like

757
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,320
overworked already.
It's your job if the majority of

758
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,080
people are saying something to
actually just take it seriously

759
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,520
and try to do something.
I'm not saying oh we then you

760
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,080
don't get to do that subject
leader job anymore.

761
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,480
Just give them some time.
Exactly I'd expect.

762
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Less of them.
OK, yeah, expect less of them.

763
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,240
All right?
I've worked out.

764
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,920
I've worked out this way.
Now I'm going to come and cover

765
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,840
your class an hour a week.
It'll just, you know, for two

766
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,960
terms.
It'll give you some time out

767
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,360
because I know you've got
something a lot going on right

768
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,680
now.
Thank you for bringing it up

769
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,880
rather than, I don't know.
Look, we need subject leaders.

770
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,760
I'm well within my rights to
tell you to do this.

771
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,720
So just crack on because that's
basically what happens.

772
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,560
I'm well within my rights to say
the contract says you've got a

773
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,360
plan, deliver a mark lesson.
So I'm well within my rights to

774
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,120
just expect you to do it and not
not worry about it.

775
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Oh, but, but head teacher, it's
all of the policies we've got in

776
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,120
place in our school.
I mean, I'm spending like 8

777
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,880
hours more than my mate who
works down the road at the

778
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
weekend doing the same job.
Oh, it's not, it's not, it's

779
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,880
that point.
I'm like, oh, there's the line,

780
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,920
there's the line.
You crossed that line now

781
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,960
because they just said someone
else is doing the same job at

782
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,600
the same page, 8 hours less.
Maybe you could do something at

783
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,400
this point now about your
policies because they're in your

784
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,320
control.
So there's probably some weird

785
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,720
lines all over the place for
that.

786
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,400
But you know, I don't think it's
I don't think they can just be

787
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,600
blanket like tough like this
head teachers obviously, like

788
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,960
you don't like the rules I've
put in place.

789
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720
These are the rules and.
And that's where things like

790
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,440
well-being surveys come in.
So handy is if you're that kind

791
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,880
of head teacher who is listening
and still knows what you know,

792
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,240
what you need for your school
and, and the lines and the

793
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,600
contracts, but you want to
listen to your staff and not

794
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,320
reduce their workload.
That's where a well-being survey

795
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,720
should come in as asking
professionals, right?

796
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,040
What I would say, I completely
agree with you by the way, is

797
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,080
if, if a whole group of
professionals are saying this is

798
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,440
a problem, it's probably
probably a problem like it's and

799
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,240
even if it's not officially by a
contract and a piece of writing

800
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,920
saying, oh, no, you can do that.
If 16 professionals are saying,

801
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,240
I did this job and I've done
this job for a long time and the

802
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,800
average tenure of these
professionals is 8 years and

803
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320
they say this is bad, it's
probably bad.

804
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,120
They're not just saying because
they're already doing miles more

805
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,280
anyway.
So in the context of teachers,

806
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,560
I'm not saying always that it's
always gonna be the teacher

807
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,120
who's correct, but in a group
environment of that many

808
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,160
teachers in this situation of a
well-being survey being

809
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,280
basically poo pooed on because I
didn't like the outcome, it's

810
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,880
likely then that you're the
problem.

811
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,600
And a bit of decorum and a bit
of grace about it might go a

812
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
long way to helping.
You I'm so sorry that you all

813
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,600
feel this way.
Yeah, I really am quite shocked

814
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,280
by it and it and I'm trying not
to take it personally because I

815
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,000
didn't know this, but I'm going
to do something about it and I'm

816
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,400
going to speak to you
individually about these

817
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,000
problems and we're going to try
and make some solutions.

818
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
I can't promise anything because
the end of the day, we've got a

819
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,560
job, we've got a contract to
fulfil.

820
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,840
But I will work my I will do my
try my hardest to alleviate some

821
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,600
of these pressures for you.
Done. *** I've done that job for

822
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,000
them.
Write that down, Mr Head

823
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Teacher.
Or Mr Head Teacher, well, and if

824
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,880
ever a head teacher does say
what you said, by the way, which

825
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,280
is the kind of thing of just
well, the contract, I'm I'm

826
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,160
allowed to do a subject
coordinator as staff.

827
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Do you know what you should do
or where the contract says

828
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,560
reasonable says you can't tell
me what is reasonable.

829
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,760
So I'm doing less.
So I'm going home at 4:30 now

830
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,120
every Sunday and rather than
half five.

831
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,320
See you later mate.
Good luck with the job anyway.

832
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,520
New one.
You'll love this one.

833
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,400
Cool this is going to get your
best like a rile up Dylan

834
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,800
section.
Someone said my toxic school

835
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,840
gives out attendance
certificates to teachers in

836
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,640
assembly.
Oh my God, I'm going to read

837
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,680
that again.
Gives that attendance

838
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,120
certificate to teachers.
Oh my God, in assembly.

839
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,600
Had to go on stage with the
kids.

840
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Oh.
No, we've done a whole thing.

841
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,440
I posted a video.
It went mental.

842
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,880
Yeah, 98% people agreed.
Yeah, with how I think

843
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,000
attendance awards in general are
just a bit not nice.

844
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,160
Like they just what?
Do you think about for teachers?

845
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,640
I think it's insane because
again, a lot of the comments on

846
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,000
that were things like, you know,
the odd comment of people trying

847
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,840
to defend them.
Obviously as always trying to be

848
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,320
that saviour to come in.
They are fine because someone

849
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,920
are saying, well, aren't they
just, you know, preparing you

850
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,680
for the real world where you
have to show up for work?

851
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,120
You know, aren't they just
preparing you for that real

852
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,720
world?
And someone was basically like,

853
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,600
no, not at all.
If I it's fine for me to have a

854
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,320
few days off sick and I still
get paid.

855
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,560
I get sick pay.
Like it's the complete opposite.

856
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Yeah.
It's like not even actively,

857
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,720
Yeah, actively don't want you to
come in if you're real, if

858
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,720
you've got a if you've got a
sickness bug 100, you know, 100%

859
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,640
attendance awards.
Does it makes you want to come

860
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,920
in and spread it?
Yeah, Yeah.

861
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,520
It makes you want to come in and
give it to everyone else.

862
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,840
And if they stay at home because
the schools say Sydney's bug got

863
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,480
to be off for 48 hours.
Yeah, OK, school, I'll do that.

864
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,840
I don't.
Get the award now, sorry.

865
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,640
My kids to have that ice cream
and trip to Alton Towers that

866
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,280
you've arranged for attendance.
No, no, no, sorry.

867
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,160
OK, well, I'll bring them in
then.

868
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,560
Nope.
They still get a chance to win

869
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,640
that iPhone.
Yeah.

870
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Like what?
Sorry.

871
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,480
There's a raffle for an iPad for
turning up to school.

872
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,240
Sorry.
I'd.

873
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Appendicitis.
Yeah.

874
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,640
Do I lose out on that now?
Yes, you do.

875
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,200
And maybe you'll think about
that appendix next time.

876
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,440
You're little.
So putting this on to staff.

877
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,160
Yeah.
Get in the beer.

878
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,680
Yeah, What is that?
It's so condescending.

879
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,240
Honestly, I I think I would die
of embarrassment if that

880
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,080
happened.
I wouldn't go.

881
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,160
Yeah, but like, no, I'm all
right, mate.

882
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:46,760
Thank you.
Yeah.

883
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,040
So I'm actually an adult, so I'm
all right.

884
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,360
Cheers.
Yeah, I, I didn't come in for

885
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,160
this.
I came in because I was well.

886
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,720
This is this is where our
profession is so toxic is the

887
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,880
treatment of staff as if they're
still children because we're in

888
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,360
this school environment and we
think it's OK.

889
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,440
Name one other profession ever
where you would see 100%

890
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,080
attendance award for a year do.
You know what I don't?

891
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
It wouldn't even be laughed.
At it does remind me a little

892
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,159
bit though of like employee of
the month sort of vibe.

893
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,280
Gives me similar vibe.
Similar vibe, at least not

894
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,760
attendance.
At least that can because of

895
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,920
effort or because of what you
have some sort of metric.

896
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,280
I agree with you like I I find
that a bit like cringy cringy,

897
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,760
but this is the ultimate, isn't
it?

898
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,880
Yeah, ultimate.
So yeah, attendance awards in

899
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,560
general is stupid, but dude.
It's a teachers, embarrassingly.

900
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,159
Let's do another one, because
this one really got my back up.

901
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,560
And you know what it made me?
It gave me flashbacks to my

902
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,760
first score.
My first sets of observations

903
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,600
right Had an outstanding mass
observation, firstly called.

904
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,679
This might be old because we
shouldn't really be grading

905
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440
observations anymore, but either
way, clearly a very good math

906
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,000
lesson that was being observed
whilst dealing with two kids

907
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,920
with diabetes and giving
injections mid lesson.

908
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,000
I've had children with diabetes
before.

909
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,560
The the by the, the kids with
diabetes are always unbelievably

910
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,920
mature and grown up and amazing.
Yeah.

911
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,720
Because they've got like a life
threatening.

912
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,120
Thing to deal with, I know it's
a side thing, but it's like

913
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,200
those kids were.
Unbelievable.

914
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,960
Yeah, They have to be their
force.

915
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,600
To mature.
Good.

916
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:10,440
But anyway, anyway, sorry but
was told in feedback that it

917
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,000
wasn't outstanding because my
geography display wasn't.

918
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
Finished.
Oh my God what?

919
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Similar to that first one?
Isn't it like displays being

920
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,080
graded?
Why?

921
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Why is anyone doing that in a
school?

922
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,880
Why is anyone doing that anyway,
never mind in a maths?

923
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,440
Observation.
Yeah.

924
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,680
And it's not even the maths
display.

925
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,840
There's so many layers here that
is like removed from Oh, I don't

926
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,880
have much more to say than the
last one in Orleans.

927
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,520
It's just it is just so toxic to
grade someone's teaching ability

928
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,960
in maths on the classroom
environment with foundation

929
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,920
subjects like just in the bit.
Can you see why it kind of gave

930
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,520
me flashbacks?
Yeah, definitely.

931
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,920
Because we, when we started our
career, we would get observed

932
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,360
frequently, I think too
frequently, to be honest with

933
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:57,920
you.
Probably, yeah.

934
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,480
But maybe at the start
terminally is good.

935
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,200
But still, like further into our
career, we are still observed

936
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,440
quite a lot.
And it was always graded and it

937
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,200
was always really intricately
graded.

938
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,080
Like so many little things were
graded on certain scales and

939
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,920
stuff.
And we had a, an overall

940
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,600
judgement at the end.
So like mine were maybe like

941
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,600
good, good, good cusp of
outstanding, like the dangling

942
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,400
that character, keep you
working, keep you working.

943
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Obviously that's what they were
doing.

944
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,240
And I remember constantly,
constantly in observations, even

945
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,440
when I worked my way up to an
outstanding lesson.

946
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,240
And I'd be like, yeah, because I
was completely sucked into like

947
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,960
trying to get there.
Even in the outstanding lesson,

948
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,440
there was always, always,
always, always had to be 3

949
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,320
points of improvement had to be.
And it was always like getting

950
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,400
better, never stops.
It's like, Oh my God, this is so

951
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,680
toxic.
Because you know what you can do

952
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,080
sometimes to a professional?
Yeah.

953
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,000
You can just say to them, that
was amazing.

954
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Just praise them.
Well done.

955
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,280
Yeah.
There's there's no next step.

956
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,240
Oh, no, sorry.
Oh, I've got to think of a next

957
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,160
step.
I've heard this.

958
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,960
I've heard this before from
middle management.

959
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,320
Yeah, who have said to me it was
it was so good.

960
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,640
I've got to put a next step.
So I'm going to think of 1 and

961
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,760
come back to you.
What?

962
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Yeah, sorry, what?
Can't even think of 1.

963
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:09,000
Yeah, you can't even think of
one right now.

964
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,280
You, you're you need to do a
next step for me so badly that

965
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,320
you need to go away and think of
what would be a suitable 1 to

966
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,200
do.
And in this case, in this case,

967
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,520
clearly they were told, well, we
can't, we can't give

968
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,520
outstanding.
Find something.

969
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,640
Oh, the sky was a bit grey
today.

970
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Sorry.
Can't be outstanding.

971
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,160
Mental in the in my first year
of teaching, same same sort of

972
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,480
thing.
I can't remember exactly what it

973
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,760
was, but the head teacher walked
into my lesson when I was

974
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,560
teaching once.
I wasn't even an observation,

975
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,520
which was just walking around
and just straight up ripped

976
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,160
something off my display because
it was like the last terms

977
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:42,800
thing.
It was wrong.

978
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,120
There's one thing most of my I
was pretty on it then because I

979
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,360
was like in fear, but just just
straight up I was mid teaching

980
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,560
just ripped it off.
Like obviously I can see it and

981
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,000
hear it.
It completely threw me off.

982
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,440
It made me feel really, really
anxious and nervous and I was

983
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,240
just like, I look back and I'm
like, I wish I had the Gump to

984
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,720
say what I'd say to them now.
If they were in this room right

985
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:04,400
now and they did that and I was
in teaching, what I would do and

986
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,760
say is very, very different to
what I did and said then.

987
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Honestly.
But they only did that because

988
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,360
probably they knew they
couldn't.

989
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,320
Get yeah, it's a power move,
isn't it?

990
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Yeah, but it's just toxic.
Toxic.

991
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,800
Yeah, It's just embarrassing.
It's like, no, don't, don't

992
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,280
embarrass me like that.
It's not what you do to your

993
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,400
staff.
You don't embarrass them in

994
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,640
front of the kids no matter
what.

995
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,360
It's just not acceptable.
She did, but there we are.

996
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,320
Yeah.
Anyway, let's go on to another

997
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,240
one.
OK next one in SLT meeting, new

998
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,280
head teacher asked me to stand
up.

999
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,680
Oh sounds great, get some
praise.

1000
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Nothing.
A bit of praise in the staff

1001
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160
meeting.
And then she proceeded to say

1002
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,640
that she doesn't want any member
of SLT to look or dress like me

1003
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,520
because it's embarrassing and
not professional.

1004
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,360
There's a there's a theme here.
There's a theme here, Yeah.

1005
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,040
It's when a bunch of polls.
Dylan.

1006
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,840
Are in charge of a school.
That's what's happening here.

1007
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,200
Insecure.
Polls, Dylan.

1008
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,840
They're in charge.
I've got a new two edits.

1009
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,640
Now, Yeah, Beep, beep, beep me
out, baby.

1010
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,600
I'll say it one more time if
you.

1011
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Want.
No, please don't.

1012
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,000
Yeah, because that is what's
happening here.

1013
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,640
These people are horrible.
There's no, there's no two sides

1014
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,400
here.
Yeah, we upload this little reel

1015
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,240
to TikTok or Instagram, so.
Oh well, don't you think that

1016
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,080
you should make me look that way
because it's.

1017
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,560
Professional.
Don't you think that you should

1018
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,600
do that?
Get in the bin because it's

1019
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,840
nothing to do with what's going
on here.

1020
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,240
Don't make someone stand up and
say don't look like that.

1021
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,840
Unless it's Hayden and his
neighbour, obviously, But you

1022
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:18,840
don't.
Don't look like that.

1023
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,120
Yeah, Don't look like that,
please.

1024
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,880
Yeah.
It's so unprofessional.

1025
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,120
It's insane.
I just.

1026
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,800
Yeah.
And and this is the this is the

1027
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,040
theme going through.
It's when horrible people

1028
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,000
managed to get to the top
somehow, probably because they

1029
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,760
weren't very good at teaching.
Bolst their way through.

1030
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,520
Just like I'm just, I'm not.
I'm just going to get to the

1031
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,960
top.
You've seen it a million times

1032
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,640
before.
I know the type of people who

1033
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,480
spend their all teaching career
trying to do as little teaching

1034
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,320
as possible and try and cosy up
to the people at the top as much

1035
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,640
as possible and be there yes man
and throw other people under the

1036
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,720
bus all the way through their
career because they want to end

1037
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,600
up with that top job.
This is what happens when they

1038
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,520
get to the top.
They continue to bully and

1039
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,240
intimidate other people.
It's horrendous.

1040
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,640
Yep, it is.
I have nothing more to add to

1041
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,200
that.
She or he is embarrassing the

1042
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,960
head teacher.
They're embarrassing.

1043
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,640
It's not the person who's
dressing whatever way they're

1044
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,120
dressing up.
What?

1045
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,200
Would you do if someone did that
to you?

1046
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Like advice now genuinely for
people who are like how do you?

1047
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,280
But what I'd see red, I'd see
red.

1048
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,720
I was gonna.
The problem is I would I would

1049
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,160
not respond in a way that I
would advise.

1050
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,960
But here's the this is what
winds me up is when you're

1051
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,880
bullied or intimidated or put in
those situations by people in

1052
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,360
the power above you, Right?
Yeah, it's always, oh, don't

1053
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,200
react like that.
Don't you know what?

1054
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,800
It should be OK sometimes to
react in like a way which is

1055
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,000
just your emotions because
that's what they deserve.

1056
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,280
But it's so annoying to me and I
I know why and I get it, but

1057
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,880
it's just annoying to me that
the person receiving all that

1058
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,040
abuse and that bullying is then
judged on their reactions.

1059
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,480
If they're rude.
You should no no, but you should

1060
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,000
keep your cool and be very
professional.

1061
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,040
It annoys me because I wouldn't.
Yeah, They're not being

1062
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,560
professional.
You know, the person that's

1063
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,320
being horribly rude to you and
demeaning you in front of

1064
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,480
everyone, your reaction was a
bit rude to them.

1065
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,760
So we think you could probably
could have handled it more

1066
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,080
professionally.
Yeah, I see what you mean.

1067
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,240
It is because, and you know what
there is, there is a level to

1068
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,120
where that is true, genuinely,
where it's like, you should

1069
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,880
know, you should for your own
sake, for your own dignity, like

1070
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,800
you should remain professional
and deal with things properly.

1071
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,480
But of course.
But I would absolutely see if

1072
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,240
someone, if they did that to me
and like ridiculed me in front

1073
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,480
of, in front of like all of my
staff and friends and stuff like

1074
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,080
that, I would, I would lose it,
in all honesty.

1075
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,360
Yeah, I'd absolutely lose it.
I'd probably be really upset,

1076
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,560
but I would I'd be very angry
and I'd probably say something

1077
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,040
very horrible.
You should improve your

1078
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,320
clothing.
You know, I'm like.

1079
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,840
You should improve.
Your I should I should improve

1080
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,280
my you can say it because after
the podcast I'll be horrible,

1081
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,120
Sorry.
Can you stand up?

1082
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,560
For a podcast, can you not
dress?

1083
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,560
Like this?
Yeah.

1084
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,240
Ridiculous.
It's almost making me like kind

1085
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:32,760
of feel angry because I'm
imagining myself in that

1086
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,360
situation now.
But yeah, I can't imagine how

1087
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,440
they felt.
I imagine very.

1088
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Upset let's move on to our next
one yeah go on had an Ofsted

1089
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,720
always a great start to a story
about toxic and each category

1090
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:44,760
was good except for leadership
and management which was

1091
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,280
requires improvement Yeah I know
right as teachers if you're

1092
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,280
working in a toxic school that
can be quite like a pat on the

1093
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,600
back of like you are right yeah
you're dinner sorry no, sorry.

1094
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,520
No, it's not, because you've got
to listen to the rest of this.

1095
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,040
Oh, my bad.
The head stood up to all staff

1096
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,520
and said, by the way, leadership
management requires improvement.

1097
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,320
That means all of us.
That means everyone, because you

1098
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,440
teachers are the leaders of your
classroom.

1099
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,360
My God, clutching at straws.
I like I reacted, I replied to

1100
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,640
this comment and I said I want
to laugh at how insane this

1101
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,720
deflection is.
Can you, Can you imagine the

1102
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:23,360
Gump to to be so Even so
brainwashed or so embarrassed

1103
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,400
that you feel you need to say
something about that, that you

1104
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,720
think, no, we've all got to
share this?

1105
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,520
Yeah, So we've all got you gotta
share this Teaching and

1106
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,200
learning.
Good.

1107
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Cool.
That's all of us.

1108
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,800
Because I'm a head teacher.
Yeah.

1109
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,120
And when was the last time you
taught?

1110
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,280
I teach.
You all the.

1111
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,280
I'm a teacher exactly.
I teach you all the time.

1112
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,400
It the thing that got me was the
amount of people replying

1113
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,000
underneath saying we had this
like we had this like the the

1114
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,160
pure deflection.
They can't even take.

1115
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,280
They're so good at these toxic
management lot at sitting in in

1116
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,880
your classroom looking around
looking if I had to pick out all

1117
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,680
that's bad all your displays not
good.

1118
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,600
Oh, actually that kid didn't do
much learning.

1119
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,760
OK, thank you.
OK, I didn't know that.

1120
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:03,840
Thanks, Stanley.
I got.

1121
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,760
I wouldn't have known that
unless those race was happening.

1122
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,840
Wow, thank you so much.
But they can't take it

1123
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:08,760
themselves.
No, of course they.

1124
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,480
Can't, they cannot take, I'd
love to sit in one day or in

1125
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,360
their office when they're sat
around doing, I don't know what

1126
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,240
they're doing or something.
I'm I'm sure it's important.

1127
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,200
No, don't, please don't SLT.
But I'm talking specifically

1128
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,840
about toxic people now who I
know are in these positions

1129
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,880
because they know they can do
less.

1130
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,040
Sit there and judge them on
their efficiency of whatever.

1131
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,680
That's all you could have.
You could have used that time

1132
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,960
more, but oh, actually, no look,
well, actually look in your in

1133
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,320
your office.
I don't think that's been

1134
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,760
updated.
That safeguarding thing got

1135
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,960
recorded 12 and you actually
only replied to it at 3:00.

1136
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,920
You could have done that at
2:00.

1137
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you
could have done that.

1138
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,280
Two, come on, what were you
doing?

1139
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,880
Inadequate.
Yeah, exactly that.

1140
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,960
So like, just, you know, come
on.

1141
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,760
It's when these people get a
taste of row medicine and they

1142
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,480
can't hack it.
Yeah, Yeah, that's what's

1143
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,040
disgusting.
And these people often want to

1144
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,240
know what their staff are saying
about them, which please go to

1145
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:52,240
my next one which says hidden
cameras with audio in the staff.

1146
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,840
I couldn't believe this one.
That's just like.

1147
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,400
Surely that's like some legal
stuff, Like surely at that point

1148
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,960
I'll be like taking them to
court.

1149
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,040
And there are a few comments
about this about like,

1150
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,400
recordings or, you know, hidden
cameras, not even necessarily

1151
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,120
hidden, but just staff.
Not what's fuel well-being is,

1152
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,960
it's just for your safeguarding
in case a kid comes in and

1153
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,200
anything happens.
We've got it on camera.

1154
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Is it?
Is it because you didn't tell me

1155
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,760
that it was there?
Yeah.

1156
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,200
So that makes me think it's not
for my safeguarding.

1157
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,000
Yeah.
Because I didn't know they

1158
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,920
existed.
Yeah.

1159
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,200
So what's this got to do with
me?

1160
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Honestly, we've talked about
this before.

1161
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,480
The staff room needs to be a
safe space because even if you

1162
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,160
work in the best school in the
world, there, there's going to

1163
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,160
be times as colleagues that you
want to chat rubbish about your

1164
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,200
boss.
That is the most human nature

1165
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,600
thing in the world.
And as someone who is both a

1166
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,200
teacher with bosses and someone
who runs a company and has

1167
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,280
teachers who work for us, I
understand it from both ends.

1168
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Like I, I, there are, I really
get on with the SRT in my

1169
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,240
school.
I, I like them as people.

1170
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,680
There is always, always, always
going to be a point in the staff

1171
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,120
room where we say, I can't
believe that happened.

1172
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,360
Yeah.
And I'm sure from SL TS point of

1173
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,680
view, there's always, always a
point where they'll get

1174
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,800
together.
Like, I can't wait.

1175
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,880
Dylan did this.
That's just the way.

1176
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,320
That's professionalism.
Yeah.

1177
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Because you're going to talk
about your job and you're going

1178
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,800
to disagree or some stuff.
That is fine.

1179
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Same for when we're in charge.
When we're in our tutoring

1180
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,520
company, there's going to be
things we ask our tutors to do.

1181
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,400
Sometimes I can imagine where
the tutors like God, I got to do

1182
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,240
that.
You think so, But fortunately

1183
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,600
for us, we are the only
management that that doesn't

1184
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,400
happen for them.
Actually, all of our staff, they

1185
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,880
only say nice things about us.
No, of course, of course they

1186
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,240
don't.
Like it's a real point and you

1187
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,240
have to accept that.
You can't take it personally.

1188
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,560
It's a job.
Exactly that.

1189
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,400
It's a job.
Yeah, as long as it's yeah.

1190
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,480
I just think you're you're
looking for ways to catch people

1191
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,080
out basically.
Yeah, it just seems a bit

1192
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,200
ludicrous.
Am I?

1193
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,240
I'd be leaving that school
straight away if that was.

1194
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,320
It's for a camera.
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm out of

1195
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:37,840
here.
Thanks.

1196
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,200
Here's my notice.
See you later.

1197
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,080
Good luck with that, we already
know, we heard you 3 weeks ago.

1198
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,000
Yeah, we've already actually got
your replacement in ready.

1199
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,480
We heard you moaning.
Alright, God, next one and.

1200
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,600
Okay so for completing my QT
year I was awarded a card

1201
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,520
addressed.
Sorry, I'm laughing.

1202
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,880
I was awarded a card addressed
to someone else.

1203
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,640
It's because it's so
unbelievable.

1204
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:57,880
I probably would laugh if that
was me.

1205
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,320
Just like I can't.
Believe you've done this, but

1206
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,360
you'd laugh in a way where like
be give me your blood, sweat and

1207
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,360
tears your NQT.
Yeah, it says for a whole year

1208
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,760
they had my name wrong.
Oh my God, They thought I had a

1209
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,600
chip on my shoulder when I left
it on the table.

1210
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,040
How can that even happen?
Yeah, I tell you how it could

1211
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,160
happen.
Is it probably would happen with

1212
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,520
me and you, because we get
misnamed all the time.

1213
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,360
We started.
But yeah, in all seriousness,

1214
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,640
like, come on.
And NQT, surely you're like,

1215
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,600
you're like, you've ultimate
support.

1216
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,760
Yeah.
Like you've been with them so

1217
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,240
much.
You must know their name.

1218
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,040
Yeah, absolutely.
Imagine being the SLT, being

1219
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,040
like rude.
Yeah.

1220
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,720
And I left that they left the
card on the table please.

1221
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,080
Can't believe Johnny left that
card here.

1222
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,520
Johnny didn't wasn't Johnny,
Johnny didn't.

1223
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,400
Johnny doesn't exist.
Yeah, that that was Derek.

1224
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,080
It wasn't Derek either, young
Derek.

1225
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,160
It wasn't Derek.
It was John.

1226
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Yeah, that's just insane.
Kind of made me laugh.

1227
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,120
So sorry for laughing at that.
But you know, yeah, sorry,

1228
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,120
obviously.
It's a little bit funny.

1229
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,360
Yeah, it could.
Did you know I'm reacting as if

1230
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,240
it was me if I got if I finished
my inky tea?

1231
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,320
Yeah, stressful year.
And then the card opened up the

1232
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,360
card and it said, Dylan, you've
done such a good job.

1233
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,600
I would a deep down I'd be like,
really, yeah.

1234
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,760
But I would probably laugh on
the service because.

1235
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:59,840
I It would still be
unacceptable.

1236
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,080
That sort of stuff I find kind
of funny.

1237
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,320
Exactly.
Anyway, this is a couple in a

1238
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,560
row now that are kind of linked
together.

1239
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,120
We had a lot of comments about
being put on support plans,

1240
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,080
support plans in general.
We've all heard it before.

1241
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,120
So we're going to skip past all
the generic ones where you're

1242
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,840
putting a support plan just
because you've been targeted

1243
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,040
essentially?
Picks the ones that we thought

1244
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:14,760
no more.
Guess this.

1245
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,040
Yeah, yeah, this is insane.
So reasons to be put on the

1246
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,240
support plan.
Have a think, guys, reasons why

1247
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:20,840
you might be put on a support
plan as a teacher.

1248
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,360
Let's see if these two come up
#1 being put on a support plan

1249
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,160
because I'd become a union Rep,
isn't that, Isn't that the

1250
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,720
ultimate?
Like, yeah, you're going after

1251
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,360
the wrong person.
Yeah.

1252
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,440
That makes no sense.
Yeah, I don't think that's what

1253
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,360
support plans are for actually.
I know, insane.

1254
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,480
Oh, so funny.
Oh, I've been put.

1255
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,160
OK, I've just joined.
I'm a union Rep now and I've

1256
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,640
just been unfairly put on a
support plan.

1257
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,800
Oh, they could have picked
anyone else to do this too.

1258
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,400
They chose the union Rep.
And this one, Dylan, this one I,

1259
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,800
I don't.
I had every reaction in my body

1260
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,480
of like, from anger to like.
This is laughably stupid.

1261
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,480
I was put on an informal, we'll
talk about that in a minute.

1262
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,040
An informal support plan.
And one of my targets was to

1263
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,120
lose weight.
Oh my God.

1264
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,800
So it's my neighbour, my
neighbours, on to my neighbours

1265
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,360
working in SL Talk talk to SLT.
Oh, Hayden, I think he's got.

1266
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,080
But like, my, my, my first
reaction because I put a funny

1267
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,600
emoji at the end was to sort of
laugh at that.

1268
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,080
I was like, oh, that's because
it's so ridiculously laughable.

1269
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,640
I was like, of course, of
course, like, surely this is not

1270
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,320
real.
What do you mean?

1271
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,320
Like something about my physical
parents is on my teaching

1272
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,600
support plan.
What you talking about?

1273
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,520
And then it quickly turned into
actually that's like really

1274
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,960
horrible, horrendous.
That's actually horrible and

1275
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,960
toxic and genuinely disgusting
that someone, that someone could

1276
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,960
actually like, even insinuate
something like that to like

1277
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,840
professionally.
Me and my neighbour, It's it's a

1278
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,200
lot.
It's not the same.

1279
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,200
We're having, we're having a
lot.

1280
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,800
And even afterwards, yeah,
exactly.

1281
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,080
We'll we'll joke about physical
things that I'd never say to

1282
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,160
someone else because it's like
the nuance isn't there.

1283
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Like that's the whole point of
like, even like dark humour.

1284
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Sometimes.
You do it with people that you

1285
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,480
know, don't really think that
you think that that's the whole

1286
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,200
point of that kind of humour.
But like, so this sort of thing

1287
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,080
here, it, you can't do that.
It's a power, It's a different

1288
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,800
power dynamic.
What do you mean an informal

1289
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,440
support plan?
And one of my targets was to

1290
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,960
lose weight.
If someone did that to me, I

1291
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,200
would assume they were joking.
There was no part of me that

1292
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,320
would think that's serious.
I I couldn't even like bring

1293
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,080
myself to believe that someone
would do that and like and be

1294
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,200
remotely being serious.
But even in that situation, even

1295
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,760
if they're joking, it's still
mental.

1296
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,120
It's still mad.
And can we just very quickly

1297
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,680
talk about informal support
plans?

1298
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,280
Because I think there'll be a
lot of people out there who are

1299
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,200
like, Oh, yeah, I know someone
who's put on a support plan, but

1300
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,000
it wasn't official.
It was like informal.

1301
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,040
An informal support plan is just
a way for SLT to get around

1302
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,720
being pushed back on stuff.
Yeah, because there's no,

1303
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,400
there's no paperwork for it.
There's no official.

1304
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,440
Unions can't come in and be
like, right, let me see this

1305
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,400
support plan.
As soon as it's an informal

1306
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,640
support plan, what they're doing
is trying to push you and nudge

1307
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,000
you into doing something that
that fits with them, which they

1308
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,960
know is probably not the right
thing to do as they would have

1309
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,480
done it formally.
It's good old manipulation

1310
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,880
because it's like saying, look,
we could put you on a proper

1311
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,480
support plan.
We have to go down this horrible

1312
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,640
route.
It's really awkward.

1313
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,840
But look, we want to help you.
We want to save you that truck.

1314
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,480
So we're just gonna do it
informally.

1315
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,160
We're just gonna do that support
plan informally and here just to

1316
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,400
help you out, just to help you
out and go home and do all this

1317
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,840
work and lose some weight.
Yeah, yeah.

1318
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,840
Insane.
Sorry, what did you use it to do

1319
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,960
a personal attack?
No, no, otherwise I'd put it on

1320
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,840
a real support plan.
What?

1321
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,920
I won't because I'm nice.
Yeah, honestly unbelievable.

1322
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,200
Write another one.
Was on the verge of a breakdown.

1323
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,720
Had an observation by head
teacher on the Tuesday but told

1324
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:22,240
I wasn't getting feedback until
Friday.

1325
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,400
I asked the face leader if it
was bad and she just smirked at

1326
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,840
me and said well.
Put it this way, I wouldn't want

1327
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,960
to be in your shoes when it
comes around to it.

1328
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:37,040
What I know, what I know so much
to unpick here.

1329
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,440
How many times, right, have you
been in observation and had to

1330
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,680
wait for feedback?
And I remember, I remember this

1331
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,240
and it was like even even like
waiting until the end of.

1332
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,280
The day, the end of the day was.
A was like oh God I didn't I

1333
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,080
didn't even get a thing I didn't
understand Oh my God.

1334
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,800
So she said she cried all week
in fear.

1335
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,320
Meeting was awful.
Had a breakdown because she was

1336
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,200
on the verge of one.
Anyway for obviously this is a

1337
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,680
very toxic school.
Went back after six weeks to

1338
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,480
hand my notices.
Yeah.

1339
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,680
Do you know what?
Good for you.

1340
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,640
Yeah, good for you for getting
back in there and doing that

1341
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,240
though, because a lot of people,
I would have just been so in

1342
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,960
fear and like just come back and
like just taken it and carried

1343
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,520
on and hated the job.
Good for you for having six

1344
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,600
weeks off and then put your
notice in.

1345
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,840
That was like a little, I know
it's not much, but it's a little

1346
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,240
bit of like a kick, a little jab
back.

1347
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:19,680
I have had six weeks off and now
I'm leaving.

1348
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,640
See you later.
But imagine, imagine being if I

1349
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,840
whenever I've done observations,
so I've done a few observations

1350
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,440
of mass lead and things like
that.

1351
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,760
I have always, always thought to
myself, when I leave this

1352
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,200
observation, I'm going to say to
well, no matter what, OK,

1353
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,120
genuinely, no matter.
It could be the worst lesson

1354
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,600
I've ever seen, right, genuinely
or an amazing lesson or some

1355
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,280
usually something in between.
I would leave the room and I'd

1356
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,200
say don't worry about anything,
honestly.

1357
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,720
It's all good.
Yeah, definitely.

1358
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,280
You'd say that just to calm
their nerves.

1359
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,040
And then later on, because
you're a professional, if you're

1360
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,000
giving that feedback to someone
else, you know, has put their

1361
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,560
heart into this, whether it's
bad or good or, you know, you're

1362
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,120
just going to be human right
now.

1363
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,560
You're going to give them some
really nice feedback on

1364
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,360
something.
And then you're going to say,

1365
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,600
we've got a few things to work
on.

1366
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,720
And then, but then that's
received so much better.

1367
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,120
Imagine being this horrible
person, this horrible phase

1368
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,680
leader.
We'll put it this way.

1369
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,000
I wouldn't want to be in your
shoes on Friday.

1370
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,000
That is just, it's just me.
You actually have to be quite a

1371
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,520
vicious person to say something
like that.

1372
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,600
I would never naturally say
something like that in any I

1373
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,800
just would never do it.
It would never even come into

1374
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,920
like come into my head to say
something like that.

1375
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,320
My gut reaction is to save
people's feelings at all times.

1376
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,600
There's one time in the past,
and I hope you don't mind me

1377
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,920
talking about this, where we've
had to give feedback, right?

1378
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,880
And and like you said, there
were good parts to lesson, but

1379
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,760
there was a couple of things
that this person needs to work

1380
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,360
on.
So when we had to report back to

1381
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,440
the head teacher, because we'd
look around the whole school, we

1382
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,760
said, yeah, we saw this, this,
this and this.

1383
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,640
There's one thing that stood out
that we just need to address

1384
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,800
this at some point thinking, you
know, OK, we we'll address it

1385
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,920
that way.
And then the, the feedback got

1386
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,200
kind of quickly chucked to this
person and it got them upset.

1387
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,280
And I remember being you feeling
mortified because we were like,

1388
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,520
no, this is, that's not what
that's absolutely not how we

1389
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,040
wanted this dealt with.
Like we would have gone in and

1390
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,280
said this nice stuff.
And then, like you said, dealt

1391
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,560
with it in a, in a particular
way.

1392
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,360
And that's just one, one time
that's happened.

1393
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,640
And I felt, and I stitched with
me in my head because I'm like

1394
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,880
that person at the end of the
day, was upset based on some

1395
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,360
feedback that I, that I was
going to give them, but didn't

1396
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,640
get the chance to give them.
And, and I'm mortified by that.

1397
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,320
These people do it for a living.
They do it literally all the

1398
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,360
time, like weekly, monthly,
terminally, go to classes and go

1399
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,840
what's the most, what's the
worst thing I can find in here

1400
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,160
just so I can knock them down a
peg.

1401
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,680
Oy, that bit was rubbish.
And I'm going to tell you next

1402
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,960
week, though, you got to sit on
it for a week.

1403
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,680
Yeah.
I can't fathom it.

1404
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:36,480
I can't fathom it.
It's.

1405
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,600
Pure toxicity.
That's what we're talking about

1406
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,520
here.
Again, people like to jump to

1407
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,960
conclusions.
There'll be there'll be someone

1408
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,200
listening to this again.
I'm thinking more when you get

1409
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,680
them little clips online and
they were like, their honest

1410
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,320
reaction would be, well, don't
you think you should give

1411
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,640
negative feedback?
Don't you think it's important

1412
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,480
to give this feedback back to
then improve?

1413
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,280
Ah, you're, you're so lost in
your, your boot licking ways

1414
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,240
that you're so indoctrinated
into this idea of just

1415
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,960
everything's woke and no one can
say anything anymore that you

1416
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,480
just forget the, the repeat
emotions and people involved.

1417
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,840
And there is no situation where
someone should be sat for a week

1418
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,800
waiting for feedback they've
been told is crap, they've been

1419
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,080
told is rubbish and they know
they're going to get in trouble.

1420
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Some people are built different
that that will affect some

1421
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,080
people so much they won't sleep.
You are a horrible human if you

1422
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,000
think that's acceptable and you
want to do that.

1423
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,360
It's as simple as that.
There is a way, horrible people.

1424
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,600
There is a way of doing it.
There is a way of doing it.

1425
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,840
If you're an SLT member and you
know you've upset people in the

1426
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,880
past, do you know what?
Seriously, go.

1427
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,240
Go away and think about where
you can get some training to

1428
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,040
deliver feedback in a better
way.

1429
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,440
Because there is literally is
ways you can deliver the worst

1430
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,080
feedback to someone in in the
nicest possible way.

1431
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,600
Yeah, it might still upset them
a little bit, like the end of

1432
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,800
the day because they're annoyed
about that feedback, but they

1433
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,560
can still leave the meeting
thinking they did that in the

1434
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,720
most respectful way as possible.
And there is a big difference

1435
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,240
between that and them also being
upset and leaving, leaving it

1436
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,360
thinking they couldn't have
disrespected me anymore if they

1437
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,360
tried like you could.
There's just ways to do it.

1438
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,840
All right, two more left.
And this is this is really what

1439
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,600
we were talking about earlier
when we did our trigger warning.

1440
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,360
So again, just before we get
into it, we're going to talk

1441
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,320
about grief, family members,
dying, miscarriage.

1442
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,400
So if there's not something you
want to listen to, maybe finish

1443
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,360
up there and we'll see you next
time.

1444
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,680
But let's jump into these now.
Hayden, start us off.

1445
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,440
Sure, so this person wrote in
and said my mum died very

1446
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,400
suddenly and I had major panic
attacks.

1447
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,440
So I was signed off by a doctor,
obviously contacted by the head

1448
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,560
teacher because I was spotted
out surfing.

1449
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,480
Apparently I shouldn't be
surfing if I'm ill or grieving.

1450
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,320
It's such an antiquated look at
this.

1451
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,920
So first of all, I'll or
grieving.

1452
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,480
OK, well let's draw a
distinction there.

1453
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,680
As well, Yeah.
OK, If you're calling in to say

1454
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,880
that you got a chest infection
and then they see you out having

1455
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,360
a hearty time at the pub,
there's an issue.

1456
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,080
Yeah.
OK.

1457
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,320
Yeah, There is an issue.
Right.

1458
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,760
If you're grieving because
someone very close to you has

1459
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,840
died, which is what's happened
in this situation.

1460
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,680
And as a result of that, there
are some medical issues like the

1461
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,120
panic attacks as well.
OK.

1462
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,640
That's completely different.
Where?

1463
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,600
What do you want her to do?
Yeah.

1464
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,640
Do you want her to sit in a dark
room days on end grieving?

1465
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,560
And what you see as a
traditional grief where you sit

1466
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,720
and feel sorry and wallow in and
then you just upset all the

1467
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,200
time.
Do you know what do you know

1468
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,120
what?
Do you know what healthy

1469
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,920
grieving looks like?
It's enjoying yourself in the

1470
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,440
times you can.
What?

1471
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,280
What do they expect?
Going to someone who's going

1472
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,080
through grief and monitoring
what they're doing because

1473
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,400
they're not in work.
And we're in this capitalist

1474
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,320
society where work's the be all
and end all.

1475
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,200
The most important thing is what
should define you.

1476
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,960
No works.
I think that gets in the way of

1477
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,160
being a human half the time.
And if you're going through

1478
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,440
grief and you want to go surfing
because it helps you get over

1479
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,080
the fact that someone close to
you has passed away horrifically

1480
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,440
suddenly and you feel like you
didn't get that closure and you

1481
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,160
going on the waves helps you for
a bit.

1482
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,320
That head teacher needs to
reassess their whole outlook on

1483
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,000
life because it's disgusting.
Yeah, yeah, that'll be the same

1484
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,640
head teacher that ironically
does a tick boxes having yoga

1485
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,040
well-being meetings be the same
one 'cause I don't really

1486
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,160
believe in it, don't really
care.

1487
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,240
They just want to take box
stuff.

1488
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,640
It just, yeah, it's nonsense to
me.

1489
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,680
I don't really have much to add
other than obviously grieving is

1490
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,800
a mental, it's an illness in
your mind.

1491
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,440
It's not it's not like you've
got you've broke your leg If

1492
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,560
they saw you surfing and you
said you broke your leg and

1493
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,320
you're lying.
That's very different, isn't it?

1494
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,280
But when you're grieving, it's
in here.

1495
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,720
You shouldn't be like probably
the last place I want to be is

1496
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:17,920
sat wallowing.
Like I'd need to like go for

1497
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,840
walks or do the thing for me.
It would be going for a walk for

1498
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,920
this person.
It's surfing.

1499
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,120
If someone said you're off
grieving Hayden and we actually

1500
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,720
saw you walk in.
We actually saw you walk into

1501
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,800
the shop forest or something
like in the middle of the day.

1502
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,000
Like we can't do that because
parents might see you walking

1503
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,680
out and about and think why
aren't you in your job?

1504
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,840
Mental.
That's really common.

1505
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,560
Two things on that firstly, I
know you didn't mean this, but

1506
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,240
you called being griefing like
an illness, like a mental.

1507
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,360
I was trying to compare.
No, I know I'm just saying right

1508
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,000
now I don't want to think it's
not a mental illness.

1509
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,360
It's a very.
It sounded like the phrase yeah,

1510
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,760
it's completely, completely
normal.

1511
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,840
So I'm just tearing that people
going through grief at the

1512
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,280
minute think you're not ill,
you're just going through normal

1513
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,280
yeah, yeah.
And the second thing is on what

1514
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,600
you said about head teachers
being like spies almost on your

1515
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,680
free time, this does extrapolate
like there are some grey areas.

1516
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,320
This to me is insane.
I don't think there's any

1517
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,920
defence of that.
I don't think anyone would be

1518
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,360
will be saying, Oh yeah, that
should you should be.

1519
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,880
No, some people will, you know
what people are like?

1520
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,400
Oh, some people will look at
someone and be like, no, yeah,

1521
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,760
you shouldn't be surfing.
You're grieving.

1522
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,760
You should be at home.
Yeah.

1523
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,560
Just should I don't give them
the time of day, but the the the

1524
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,600
further along is like I've had
before where staff have said,

1525
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,920
you know, PPA at home, right?
But but I've heard of her

1526
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,440
teachers say, oh, but don't go
to the shops.

1527
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,320
Don't go to the shops.
You might see a parent and

1528
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,440
they'll be like, oh, it's the
school day.

1529
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,480
And miss whatever her name is,
is in is in Primark buying some

1530
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,760
undies And isn't it school time?
It's like even that, I think,

1531
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,960
yeah.
So if the parents got a problem

1532
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,240
with that, deal with the parent,
Yeah, like just just say to

1533
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,360
them, Oh no, yeah, it's their,
it's their PPA time.

1534
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,200
They're doing, they're doing
their work in their free.

1535
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,600
Time.
How easy is it to explain that?

1536
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,880
Obviously I know, yeah, if one
parent complain if I worked in

1537
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,240
that school, right.
First, I'll give the parents a

1538
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,800
benefit of the doubt because I
don't think many parents.

1539
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,040
No, no, this is a made-up issue
that head teachers like to make

1540
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,280
up.
But if a parent did actually

1541
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,600
write in and complain with like
just concern, I'd made it

1542
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,400
immediately, but I thought I'm
going to draught up a letter

1543
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,360
sent out to everyone so it's
clarified once and for all.

1544
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,720
Everyone knows now this is our
PPA policy at our school.

1545
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,360
Teachers can do what they want.
They can do the work when they

1546
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,920
want because they're adults.
Cheers.

1547
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,280
Done.
There you go.

1548
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,000
Never have to mention it again.
Oh well done.

1549
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,520
Because if there is an issue
with work not being done then

1550
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,000
talk to your staff about it.
Don't just assume if I want to

1551
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,280
nip to the shop my PPA it's
probably because it's easier for

1552
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,120
me to do that on the way home.
Then I'll carry off my work I'm

1553
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,480
already planning at the weekend.
Leave me alone.

1554
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,520
Right?
Last one go on this one.

1555
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,200
I was probably the one that
shocked me to my core, gutted me

1556
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,280
the most.
Also, so this was someone's

1557
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,720
comment, they'd already said
what what their toxic story was,

1558
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,800
but this was about their
colleague.

1559
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,600
So a colleague of mine had a
miscarriage and the head teacher

1560
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,240
said well at least we don't have
to worry about you going on

1561
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,120
maternity leave now.
And I am.

1562
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,280
I know this is a podcast, but I
sometimes don't know what to

1563
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,040
say.
Yeah, it it honestly, like,

1564
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,760
mate, that's the only one today.
And maybe for personal reasons

1565
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,080
made my like, heart sink in that
one because like, OK, so Full

1566
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,040
disclosure, me, me and Lauren
have been through this process.

1567
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,720
Like this is something that's
happened to us in the past and

1568
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,600
it's horrible.
It's horrific.

1569
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,200
It's a horrific experience.
And I know that things have come

1570
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,920
in recently like that they're
really trying to push like

1571
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,240
legislation and law that like
treating miscarriage the same as

1572
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,440
like other other like further,
like, you know, further along in

1573
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,280
pregnancies and losing children
after like once, you know, once

1574
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,160
they're born, like things like
that.

1575
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,320
They're trying to treat it as
this is just as horrible to deal

1576
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,520
with and we need to stop.
You need to stop normalising.

1577
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,800
Oh, yeah.
Like this person's clearly

1578
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,880
joking because they think, oh,
just a miscarriage.

1579
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,320
Like, what do you mean?
No, don't say that.

1580
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,960
Don't say that.
That's horribly insensitive.

1581
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Like, yeah, that, that makes me
feel like a little upset almost

1582
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,560
where I'm just like, we went
through that.

1583
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:46,360
And if our head teacher had said
that to me or Lauren, I think I

1584
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,200
don't, I don't know.
I don't know how I would have

1585
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,960
been, I would have been so, so,
so upset and disappointed.

1586
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,680
Genuinely.
I I don't think I would have

1587
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,480
been able to speak to them again
because they would have hurt me

1588
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,920
like so much to my core that
they, that they were so

1589
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,560
insensitive about something so
personal and effective like that

1590
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,000
affects you so much.
I don't know.

1591
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,280
Yeah, that that makes me feel,
makes me feel funny.

1592
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,120
And it's, it's just like, you
know, it's projecting.

1593
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,960
It's projecting problems you
might have with your job onto

1594
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,520
someone else's personal
experience that's really

1595
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,160
negative.
Like making a head teacher

1596
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,880
making a joke about how they
suddenly have a bit less of an

1597
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,280
annoyance to do.
Right.

1598
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,480
On its own is clearly fine,
isn't it?

1599
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,360
Right.
This is attached to something

1600
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,760
horrific.
Like as if, as if there's a

1601
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,560
silver lining, as if this person
will go ha ha, yeah, that was a

1602
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:33,760
pro of this.
Horrific.

1603
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,280
Thing that went through, There's
no pros in.

1604
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,240
Their mind thinking about it.
Leave me alone.

1605
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,440
Get in a beer.
I'm quite disgusted at that.

1606
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,360
Like I get, you know what, maybe
like you said, maybe they're

1607
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,040
just trying to that awkwardness
of like, I don't know what to

1608
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,320
say.
Maybe I can try and cheer them

1609
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,040
up with a joke.
But it's like it's just you just

1610
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,000
got to, you've got to read the
room a bit differently in that

1611
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,920
situations like that.
And in a professional situation,

1612
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,240
sometimes just don't do a joke.
They're like, like, you know

1613
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:57,760
something?
Oh, what?

1614
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,400
It was just a joke.
That's not good enough.

1615
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,560
Yeah, sometimes you just don't
do a joke.

1616
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,960
Sometimes you just have to say,
I'm really sorry to hear this.

1617
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:04,840
This is awful.
Yeah.

1618
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,320
And and that's what they need to
hear.

1619
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,040
They need to validate, just
validate the fact that that is

1620
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:08,720
awful.
I'm really.

1621
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:09,640
And I'm nothing I can do about
it.

1622
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:10,680
I'm sorry.
It's it's terrible.

1623
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:11,760
It's awful.
I'm so sorry.

1624
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:12,640
Horrendous.
Yeah.

1625
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,320
What?
Yeah.

1626
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,400
So those last two, the last two
in particular, I think they hit

1627
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,680
home more because what winds me
up the most about that these

1628
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,480
ones is that it can happen to
anyone, Yeah.

1629
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,160
Like it could happen to SLT
tomorrow, any of this stuff.

1630
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,040
And you would expect, I would
still be wanting to give them

1631
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,200
that respect that I'd expect the
other way around no matter what

1632
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,160
they're like.
Definitely.

1633
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,200
And I think the the to summarise
here, we're talking about toxic

1634
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,360
schools.
What what we're really talking

1635
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,760
about nearly every time here are
toxic, horrible individuals.

1636
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,240
Yeah, who have put them, got
themselves into positions of

1637
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,520
power in schools and then have
and then have utilised their

1638
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,160
horrible toxicity to affect
other people's lives.

1639
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:52,400
And unfortunately, it happens a
lot.

1640
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,320
And I will say this as well
about those last two that you

1641
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,400
read.
The, the saddest thing about

1642
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,600
this whole thing to me was
because we had like 1000

1643
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,200
comments on this, on this TikTok
that you made.

1644
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,800
The amount of comments that we
saw that were basically the same

1645
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,160
or very similar to those last
two that we just read from

1646
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,200
different people about
bereavements and miscarriages

1647
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,840
and loss.
It was actually like upsetting,

1648
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,640
heartbreaking.
It was, it was, there was so

1649
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,720
many and I was like, I can't
believe that these aren't just

1650
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,560
like these stood out of once
their thousands.

1651
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,200
It's like, well, at least this
isn't happening much.

1652
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,440
This is happening all the time
in loads of places, apparently.

1653
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,880
I just can't believe it.
Like it's disgusting and it

1654
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,360
makes it spurs me on more like
we do this podcast to call out

1655
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,720
this and sorry, I've done it.
I've edit my own one now.

1656
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,600
Crikey, we do that.
We we do it.

1657
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,240
We do it to call out.
We talk about the good stuff,

1658
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,520
but we also call out this stuff
because not everyone feels

1659
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,760
empowered enough to have a, a
voice in these sorts of things.

1660
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,800
And hopefully so some of you, I
hope that we, you know, we help

1661
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,400
you find that voice if it's, if
you agree with our opinions and,

1662
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,680
and sometimes I don't, maybe
you, you then push the boat out

1663
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,800
of work and you say something
and stand up and actually this

1664
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,520
is wrong.
I don't think we should do this

1665
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,720
because you hear us talking
about thousands of other

1666
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,680
people's experiences where it's
like, Oh no, we all, you know,

1667
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,360
we all agree on this.
I'd like to think of a bunch of

1668
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,440
these things happen to me, I'd
say something immediately and

1669
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:06,880
I'd like to think staff would
say something.

1670
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,800
Be the person to say something.
If you're in a room and you hear

1671
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,120
someone in a position of power
acting like this to someone

1672
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,920
who's grieving, someone who's
gone through miscarriage,

1673
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,160
someone's gone through something
really personal and you know

1674
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,360
it's wrong, be the person to
tell them it's wrong.

1675
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,360
Yeah, like, because that's,
that's not easy sometimes.

1676
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,200
But this is different to this is
just another level up from my

1677
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,920
saying about how it's annoying
when they introduce 4 new colour

1678
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,360
pens to mark with.
I'd, I'd still say speak up for

1679
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,480
that.
This is the most important thing

1680
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,000
to speak up for if you live, if
you're living and breathing,

1681
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,680
because we do spend so much of
our lives in this job, in an

1682
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,360
environment where this is
acceptable.

1683
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,040
Be the person to stand up and
tell them this is wrong.

1684
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:43,960
I agree.
Let's finish that.

1685
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,120
Yeah, yeah.
OK, we'll catch you next time

1686
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,360
where hopefully maybe we'll have
some more nice things so we can

1687
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,000
talk.
About our real This is important

1688
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,040
though.
This is important.

1689
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,880
We're going to keep doing it and
sometimes there aren't

1690
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,520
solutions.
Sometimes we just have to say

1691
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,200
you're a horrible person.
Sort your life out, yeah.

1692
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,960
So, Dylan, you're a horrible
person.

1693
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:01,720
Thank you.
Sort your life.

1694
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,360
A nice one and your next door
name, but let's go see him,

1695
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,280
yeah?
Some nice sharp words for you,

1696
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:05,760
yeah.