Ep 145: Listener Questions: Embarassing Pupil Encounters, Worst Education Buzzwords & Would We Work For Ofsted?

0:00 Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Cheat Sleep Repeat. My name is Dylan and my name is Hayden, and we're back and you know what it means on a Wednesday. It's listener questions Hayden. Where can they get their question the submission fall from? Are you all right? I'm OK. They can get them from the WhatsApp community. How can they join the WhatsApp community? Or they can use the link in the description of this podcast episode, or they can just head to our Instagram or any other social media things that we have and find the link there somehow. Good luck. It's hide and seek. Got to try and find it first. That is the only way that we have of kind of filtering people who enter. Did you find the link? Yeah. Yes, yeah. Well done. Join us. Well done. So every single question is from the people who have joined that group, our lovely listeners. Let's start straight. Him. Cool. Once on holiday in Tenerife at Siam Park. Big shout out for Siam Park.

0:43 Have you been there? No, it is 10 out of 10. It's like this big water park. Where is it? Huge slide. Oh, I wonder where it is once on holiday. Once in a while, the Internet I. I'm warming up, I'm warming up and. What is it about? Yeah, it's what about? Yeah. Park. Yeah. Strong start. 6 words in God's sake. I realised about 10 minutes into a queue. How long? I knew. It, I knew it. Do you know we talked earlier about what we were like earlier on in the podcast? Yeah. We'd be restarting now. Absolutely. No, we're not. Where is it?

1:23 That's not the question. Come on, get to it. Honestly, waffle. He does nothing but waffle with this guy. Nothing but waffle get. To the question, and there was a child in my friend's form right ahead of me with his whole family. I awkwardly tried to cover myself for the rest of the waterslide queue. Where is the worst place you have ever encountered a child, or? That is awkward. That is awkward. I mean, it feels like a bit of a cop out because it's quite similar. But where is it for this person? I know where they. Know, but for me it was Tenerife. I was in Tenerife this time. I saw my mate was looking at me actually and there. Was my I was giving up Jeffrey behind?

2:04 Mine has to be in all seriousness though, it's got to be swimming, isn't it? Like our local swimming pool? Obviously all the kids go to it as well. So anytime ever we want to go swimming, which is basically never. But since since you know, since we've had River and she's my daughter, by the way. Who loves waterfall? Who loves what? Would you? Would you? Write it that river loves water, the name and the name. Predetermined she's going to be a swimmer, actually. She didn't have a name for six months to go swimming. Six months old and we were like. It's this new thing where you don't name your child. You just let them live. Yeah. And you name them after what they like. Exactly. Yeah. And your name? Your name. Whisper Gold. That's your name, Yes. Yeah. He just crawled to Whisper Gold. He's. Just yeah. Crazy. Named about six months. Oh.

2:45 Gosh, we actually asked this question. So swimming genuinely then. Yeah, I completely agree with you, by the way. And I know this podcast is full of laughs and we, me and you, we take the piss out of each other all the time, but genuinely, when it comes to like swimming and stuff, we are just in our swimming shorts, right? And, and, and jokes aside, even if even if I had a body that I wasn't remotely ashamed of in whatsoever and I loved it, and which I don't, I don't know just about that really. There are points just to make it really clear to when I'm listening. I don't think I have the Adonis body. There's some Greek God. I don't have that. But even if I did like the the idea of just being in your swimming shorts and seeing a child in your school, even though it's in a completely different environment and it's obviously fine, Yeah, it makes my inside. Squat.

3:27 It does me walking for. You're talking about not having a Greek body. I'm representing Mr Kebab as I'm walking through. I wouldn't walk into the classroom in my swimming trunks and not feel horribly uncomfortable. Do you know what I mean? Especially not what you did. Health eating lesson. And I've got a kebab anywhere not really appropriate for a pool is. It if we went to get any kind of like deals, we're going with any kind of food industry. There's the podcasts out there who are like, take this healthy supplement, Mr Kebab, we can shout you out. It was a free kebab. Everywhere. I've left three reviews on your for your website on Google. Can I please have some sort of endorsement? The the fact that you actually have genuinely left three reviews on a kebab website. It was just so good. But anyway, we digress anyway. It it is awkward, isn't it?

4:09 When you when you go straight. So if you actively like, stop doing it because of that. Not it's not necessarily that reason, but it is definitely a huge part. Anytime we think about going swimming, my genuine first thought is like, what time of the day is it? Is it half term or something like that? Because I really just don't want there's. Is there anything worse than genuinely being in the changing rooms of a swim? Important. Bumping into a family? Yeah. Like, hello. A bit of small talk. How you doing? How's the new class? You saw that kid last year or something? Just a quick one about times. Table rocks. I'm really sad. Don't worry right now you've got that login. Actually, I'll tell you what I got on my phone. I'm just, you know, in my towel or something. It's just, I don't know. There's just something about it where I'm like, there is nothing worse. And it's happened enough times, but it probably has impacted honestly how much it goes from here because I just don't want that to happen.

4:53 Have you got any different ones? Or yeah, my one, my one's a weird one. I I am so obviously I'm 32 now. Don't really go out like like we used to do when we were younger at Universal out drinking out, out, yeah, go out for like more adult stuff now. But yeah, in back in the days when you're out to like 3 in the morning, you know, having 74 beers, whatever it was, don't really do that very often right now. But there was a time a few years ago, penis was like two or three years ago now. It was post COVID and we went out and I think, I don't think it was with you. I do have friends other than you and that's weird. I'm not sure we should be disclosing. That I do actually have people who I hang out with who aren't you strange enough, We went out and we went to this old pub that I've been to a million times, like growing up. And it was like, should we go there? Should we go in that pub with like, I'm in a bit old now, aren't me?

5:35 It's like probably full of, you know, kids just out of school. Is that best bit odd? I don't really want to go in there. Then one of our friends was like, should we just go for old time's sake? Just going because it had been refurbished, it'd been completely damp again, so it looked completely different to what we were used to. It was like, OK, look, we'll go in, we'll have a drink and we'll leave. So I went in there and yeah, of course, it was just filled with, to me what, like children, what am I doing? Because obviously as you grow up, what used to be a normal like looking person your age is now, even if they're 1819, they look. Like, yeah, they just look kind of easy. So we're like, God, let's order a drink, let's go. And a bouncer came up to me before I even got my drink and said DJ wants a word with you. Oh. God, what's He done? What? Like at this moment I was like, what do you I've not done anything. It's like, alright, come on this way. But the the bounce was dead. Pam like it was a serious thing.

6:18 And I was like, OK, sure. I walked up. The DJ was the dad of one of the kids who I taught in school and he was like the most lovely guy ever. He was smiling. He was like, hey, it was the price. I was like, Oh my God. And then from there we were like, I ended up having a couple of drinks in there. We had a good time. We knew the DJ and he was just having a good one. And I was like, this is insane. So it wasn't necessarily embarrassing, but I was definitely like, prepared to be like, oh God, what have I done here? Bet your guard went up though. Absolutely. Soon as you see a parent out and about, there is something even when you think you're chilled. Yeah, you're not really, are you? Because you're thinking I'm being judged now because the parent must got to remain professional all all time. So those Jager moms were suddenly going away where they always the DJ buying the DJ parent. Yeah, my Jager moms Exactly.

6:59 Yeah, no, it was, but it was like a really positive experience. But like, but like, objectively, like I'm talking about going out in German out to pubs and stuff. I do think there's a time and a place where I don't mind bumping into parents and stuff. Like if it's in Tesco, like, hi, yeah, you're right. And kids are shocked that a teacher has a life outside of the school. Like, what are you doing? I'm buying food actually. So what I need to do? But even like going out and stuff, I've been to pubs before and I've seen parents and it's not an issue. It doesn't have to be an issue and it shouldn't be an issue. No, parent don't care. I don't care. I'm having a couple of beers, they're having a couple of drinks with their family or whatever. Or even on a night out it's not an issue. Get your kid to do that homework. Yelling across the. That's when it gets becomes a problem. It's me. I'm just slapping down reports in front of them whilst they're trying to enjoy them, enjoy themselves. But yeah, I think here's the time and the place I'm, I'm more than happy to speak to anyone.

7:43 I'm usually quite excited to see the family of children that I've been teaching because I think it goes along with trying to have those bonds build up those relationships as you go. But there's always gonna be tricky ones. Yeah. Who you might cross the road if you see him, of course. Just don't wanna bump into. But we can't pretend like we haven't built up a really meaningful relationship with our kid over an entire year. Like when you don't see if you bump into them years later. I'm not gonna pretend like I didn't just spend honestly like hundreds of hours of your kid and developing their education at that time. I am. I'm gonna pretend. I'm gonna put my head down depending on them going down the aisle. I don't care if it's the lingerie aisle, I'm going down there to avoid seeing. I'm like, oh, I'm really interested in this, this size DD bra. Suddenly I'm just like, you're looking to see if they've gone. Just pref to pretend to be interested in what I'm going to.

8:23 That was just these sanitary towels. Which ones the best one? What's? The ones I was thinking about again, what was it? I have to look at my phone and look in the other direction. Now I was gonna go down this aisle regardless to who I saw just now I'm trying to avoid. They're now looking at you thinking, what is he doing? We'll wait here for him to come back and talk to him. But I remember early on in my career, some people said to me, like, teachers were like, oh, don't get a job in your local town. And I didn't really understand what they meant. But over the years I realised it was specifically this sort of stuff they were talking about. They were like, they were actively saying like, yeah, just work in one town, get a job in the next town so that you can at least have some privacy in your local pubs or whatever when you go out. But like, same as you, I don't really care. A lot of people care a lot. It'd be interesting to hear from you guys. Like what do you care if you bump into parents, ex parents, whatever if?

9:05 Only there was a way for they could join a WhatsApp community and. And that's no shame. We should think about doing that. Oh, should. Have started that bloody WhatsApp community down in the description below we did absolutely it would be down there right. Go on another question. Yeah, so. Would you? Would you rather staple 200 display borders or or have a child sneeze directly into your open mouth? What a question. Right, I'm gonna is the child I'll how? We can. Does the child have a cold child of COVID? I think we should say yes. OK, in that case cold, in that case, the sneeze in the mouth. Still, taking it didn't matter. It was irrelevant. It didn't matter. No. Like realistically I'd be stapling the borders.

9:46 However, I think what this is leading to is how much. All right, Honestly, yeah. I didn't go to university and train to be a teacher and no pedagogies and teaching maths and being a maths specialist and loving all of these different subjects to then be told that I've got to staple the board repeatedly 200 times in a row. I just don't want to do it. And I don't think that some people might hear that and be like, oh, below you. Is it stabling a board? No, it's not below me. I just don't want to do it. Yes, it is. How nicely do I have to say this? No, I'm joking, I'm joking. It's not, it's not I just. It's just not the. Kind of it's. Not the primary goal of my job. No, it's not because the point being again, to make it's really clear to people, I'll I'll clean my clean my classroom, I'll Hoover the floor. Do you know it's nothing's blown. I don't have the attitude where I'm like, well, I've got this job, so I'm not possibly going to do it. If I had more time in the day, I'd do anything. It's about priorities, right?

10:40 Exactly that. And like when it eats into your personal time and stuff, I'm just like, OK, this isn't actually affecting my job whatsoever. Yeah, and it's not affecting someone else's job whatsoever because if I do get someone else or ask them to do a display board for me, it's instead of a job. Whereas if I've got to do it, I've still got to do everything else on top. It's just on top. So I'm saying no. Whereas someone sneezing my mouth 2 seconds. Yeah, everything done with I. Think you can? Yeah, you can live with it, can't you? It'd be gross for 10 seconds, but that that staple gun is staying in my drawer so. Can we talk about children's like awareness of this kind of thing in general, please, especially having gone through a global pandemic? Yeah. You would be in a room and we all had this illusion of like, well, we got to stay 2 metres apart everyone.

11:22 No, we'll stay 2 metres apart. There's we will right now, OK. It did not happen with children who are of course who can't wait like they did, of course, with every single waking minute. They did not manage to stay 2 metres apart ever. But also when they just cough like kids just do their work and. Actually, it's so normal. Like with their mouth open and carry on writing. Yeah, we need. To learn this, don't we need to learn how to not do that, please? It's so funny. Oh, they're so gross, aren't they? Yeah, they're so gross and lovable. Yeah, yeah, I love them to be. So it's the best job of the world for, for like working with young children and helping them. Yeah. But I, I, OK, jokes aside, now don't sneeze in my upper mouth because that is something actually you would do. And when you get them to come up to you, sorry, it's like you want to check their work and they come up to you and they stand like 2 millimetres away from you and they're like, got a cold coming and I step back, please.

12:09 No wonder we're just constantly, constantly ill from from being in school. Those first few weeks, I mean, anyone who's been in school for like the month of September, they've been ill at some point. Yeah, Constant course. Of course it's going to happen. Hilarious, right? Let's let's have another one. I love this question, and I especially loved it because I want to hit your answer. What is on your playlist for your commute on the way to school in the morning? That's hilarious. What's part of my players? Oh, it's like I'm embarrassed to say, I don't know. I don't know what people expect. I feel like there's an expectation when you look at someone. I don't know what it is, but I feel like you can sort of go like I reckon they listen to a country, I reckon they listen to this. Maybe, but I have you seen that? Have you seen those me get up on Spotify? Have you seen those memes of like, you know, teachers on the car on the way to work?

12:53 And they've got some, like, some like, you know, rap hip hop, and there's some swearing and they're talking about going out. On a night, yeah, absolutely yeah. And then it cuts in and saying teachers at 9:05 and then they're going cauliflowers. Floppy cabbage is green. It's just like boom, boom, yeah, putting on some nice music in the background in the classroom. It's just so relaxing. You're not putting skeptor on whilst you're doing, yeah. Pretending. Pretending when you're in year 6 when you have a year six class. Pretending not to know what the songs are they're trying to put on. If they suggest a song and you know it's a bit rude, but guys don't listen, we shouldn't be listening to these things. They're not appropriate. You know you've got it in your playlist on the way. Home cuts to you on the way home. Absolutely. You wrap it along to. Someone funny enough, I went to a pub quiz last week saying that out loud because I actually did something. I'm just proving that I've done something, you know? Outside without me.

13:37 Yeah, without you. I didn't say you should go. And someone said it, funny enough, they were looking at my Spotify. It's very linked to this. And they literally said if if someone wants to take your phone and just look at it and try and guess who you were, they would definitely think you're a woman. Yeah. Oh. And I was like, oh, all right. And I was like, offended you. Yeah. I was like challenged in that. Is that is that true? Is it? Breaking down stereotypes. What I listening to and and here we go. So I've got a few things here in my library. So top is this. We've gone into top art. I've. Just gone into yeah my library and then sorted by artists and it does it by recent. OK, call Gwani. Give us, give us 5. Give us. Paramore is number one. That's like Paramore live and die. Like come on. Love them Bieber doobie. What? Bieber Doobie is a female. Artist. Yeah, that's really.

14:18 Good song, Dochi. Another female artist. Doja Cat. She's got a new album. I've been jamming Doja Cat a lot recently. Brilliant. So funny. Pink Panthers. My name is Pink and it's really nice. My name is Pink, and it's really nice to meet you. Yeah, she's got some good music. So that's all. That's all recent, but then it just changes and I've got A$AP Rocky. What rap? Jaden Smith, Wolfpack. Jaden Smith as in. As in Wilson Smith, Yeah, he's got a good album. He's got some good stuff. Yeah. Eminem obviously is always up there. Right. I said 5. Keep going, Burn a boy a million. It's just what I mean. It's just, it's nonsense. Yeah. It just depends what mood I'm in. And then I just, I have like 3 weeks of listening to like a couple of artists within the exact same category.

15:02 Yeah, they're not. They're not. Like, to me, listen to that. First, I've not heard of half of them. Yeah. And secondly, like they don't seem to go together. They don't. They really don't. Yeah. What about you, Actually, can you actually answer the question properly? Because I kind of went off. I know I will because it's like, what's on your playlist? So I've got a mixture of things. I often listen to podcasts on my playlist, so I might be like, that's the boring answer. And they're usually quite political. Most of our fans are you our own? Listen. Listening to my own podcast, but in terms of music, I'll give you, I think this is actually quite a good representation of the kind of stuff I like. So I guess can I guess one of them, just one of them. You're going to say The Killers? The Killers, Yeah, The Killers has got to be. It's actually not in my top most recent. I do love the Killers, it's my all time probably favourite, but obviously recents have been fleshing out, but I've been going into different branching. Yeah, branching, not fleshing.

15:46 I. Mean fleshing out my music just. Tabling out the music, just say a word and hope it makes sense. That's what most podcasters do. So I've got Daft Punk, Daft Punk, Fleetwood Mac, The Beatles. Yeah. The Police, Aerosmith. Sorry. Anything from literally the last 20 years. Right. Aerosmith, Queen, The Weekend. There you go. OK, More recently, Jamie T Yeah. Cortinas, The Enemy, Keen, Razor Light, Stereophonics, Coldplay, Oasis, Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Right. Maroon 5. This, I would say, is all like one category. Yeah, yeah, it's very much like, I feel like people like that category music. The Arctic Monkeys. Calvin Harris. Where's Where's Doji Cat?

16:26 Justin Bieber? I forgot to mention he's got a new album out. I thought that was really good. I've been listening to that a lot so. Interesting that you've you've kept up with music so much because I absolutely have frozen my music taste from when I was I can tell. Yes, I I honestly, if you if you like read the artists of the like top 10 songs right now. I honestly don't think I'd know more than. That I really, really like listening to the new albums. I do it all the time. Sometimes I think they're rubbish but obviously like if there's a good one I will just repeat it for a few weeks and then bam next one. Big one in the teacher world right now. Yeah. I want to get your take on this because my take might be quite controversial. Taylor Swift, so many teachers. Absolutely. I'm not a Swifty. I think it's not good. I don't really like and I genuinely, as you can tell, like I'm quite open to a lot of music and sometimes people be like, oh, that's girly. And I'm like, it's just music.

17:12 I say you hate it. It's just even. Even you saying another female artist cringe me out massively then yeah. Yeah, who? Cares, I know, but people do. The only reason I have that insecurity is because people seem to do. Yeah, care. They're like, oh, that's girly. The fact that someone said, oh, if anyone picks up your phone, they think it's yeah, yeah. But yeah, maybe wrong, incorrectly. But Taylor Swift, I'm not really a fan. I've listened to lots of her songs. I haven't listened to a new album. Maybe I should give it a go, but I'm not like massively into Taylor Swift. The main thing I've seen from the the Taylor Swift album online is people basically showing how it's just ripped off multiple other songs. Really. Exist? Yeah. We're going to be offending us. No. But if you're offended by that, then just look it up and like, it's not me making this up. Not me. Just like slandering. I like that's just have an act.

17:53 And yeah, it's she's got like a huge, huge following. Don't get me wrong. I'm not someone to say, well, they're rubbish. Why do you like them so much? I'm a Manchester United supporter, OK? I know how crap they are. I still watch them every week. I still like it when I win. I get it. Like I don't think when when specific and we're going to stereotypes again, it's usually bloke. So we're like Taylor Swift. Isn't that crap? So you spend your weekend watching bloody League 2 football like it's like, get over, come on. I tell you why our generation particularly has this thing. Like, from what I can remember growing up in school was Justin Bieber era, wasn't it? And Justin Bieber was, like, the most divisive, Like, listen to it. Yeah. It was very much cringy. Boys don't listen to Justin Bieber. I remember growing up feeling like that was like, oh, that's a thing. Like, if you're a boy, you don't listen to Justin Bieber. Apparently that's girl music.

18:36 And it's like, well, it's not that, is it? Yeah. How it works completely right. Very interesting. Let's go on to Do you want a toxic one? Do I want a Are you? You're smiling when you ask that. Do I want a toxic one? Is the school system built on the back of hard work of teachers for free? Yes, I do want a toxic one. Please, Dylan. I don't think, let's say it's going to catch on as a bear in the woods. Yeah. Yeah, that's quite catchy. Quick, I don't think you education system built on the exploitation of free labour away from the teachers. I think it will catch on if we make it catch on Transcenders. Should we? Yeah. Yeah, the merch shop we've been promising for 2 1/2. Years. It'll come, don't you worry about that. Yes, I do. Don't you worry about. That I would like a talk to you. One please, I just think of the Kamala Harris meme. Do not come, do not come, do not. It's going to come, it's going to come. The butt shop will come.

19:26 Secondary school teacher here. The head teacher released the duty rotor last week. Most staff have been put on or wait for it, 8 duties per week at break and lunch. By the way, we only have one break and one lunch every day, so that's eight out of 10/8 out of 10 duties they're on. When I queried this, this is the insane bit. The head said he could do this as I have a TLRI should quote know my place by not question, by not questioning management and to quote stop throwing the STPCD around. He also refused to release the directed time calendar. Most staff are already feeling very burnt out as we are in front of the children most of the day, sometimes with a double break and lunch duty and detention duty after school.

20:15 The headteach has said SLT will be timing how long it takes staff to reach their duty points. Even though we need to use the toilet at some point and will be calling us in individually for meetings if it takes too long. Where do I stand on directed duties as this seems too excessive and how can I challenge this? That's a stink bomb in the in the head teachers office. Isn't when he's not looking it isn't it? If I think back to secondary school, those stink bombs are a regular. That's I'm sorry. As a teacher, I'm stooping. I'm down there with the year sevens. That's a stink bombing. I'm sorry mate, but if you're being like that, you're going to pay the price. There's so much to unpack, isn't there? Don't throw. The bit that I was just has just stuck in my head was that not throwing around the SPT? What do you mean not throwing around the STPCD? Sorry.

20:59 Can you not throw around employment law? You're not rounding. Thank you very much. What I need to say, you can't throw that. You can't throw the you can't throw your working rights around, mate. Yeah. Who do you think you are? I had the same. I had a comment. I did. I did a reel saying teachers should know their rights. Remember we talked about what would we kind of maybe change about teach training. Yeah. And one of them was like teachers having a really good understanding of their work. It might make sense. Someone commented on that going classic teacher so up themselves thinking they need to know their rights and throwing this around all the time. Just get your work done. Just like so entitled. That's what he said. Oh, my. So entitled it. Apparently there are people out there who think knowing your working rights is entitlement and the thing that that was just a random or online. I could just block him.

21:41 I never see him again when your boss at work is saying things. Like know your place. Don't throw that around. Please don't. Don't talk about that. It was the IT was the three things here. Know your place by by never querying management. What? The fact that because you've got a TLR it means you do 8 duties out of 10 a week? That's nonsense. Yeah, completely. That's completely made-up. Made-up so that you can just be like, no, it's nothing to do if having a TLR. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Genuinely, there's been points before. I know previously in schools I've worked in where maybe we're short for a, for a day, like someone's off and we can't get cover or whatever, and we need an extra body on the playground. And the head teacher has gone through like a hierarchy of, OK, leadership. They're the first people to be asked to cover it.

22:22 And if they can break, if they can't, right, OK, let's go down now to middle leadership, people with TLRS, etcetera. And there's extra responsibilities, let's ask them. And then it goes down to this. But even then, I get that. I really do get that. But even then, as someone who at points of my career didn't have ATLR with my colleague who did have ATLR, usually that's because they're leaving a year group or doing an extra bit of work already. So when it comes to we need a body on the playground, I'm like audit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. I'll go out for a day. I'll go out and do 20 minutes. You sorry you're prepping for the meeting. We've got after school today. Yeah, the hierarchy doesn't even make sense really, does it? I get it. I can understand. It's like, oh, you're paid more so. But yeah, like you said in the actual situation though, yeah, it makes sense to someone who's not as busy. Yeah, but. What do you think about the query management bit like you should know your place and don't query management.

23:07 I think that is the sign of an unbelievably narcissistic, toxic place to be working in. And when someone says don't query something, the first thing you should do then is query it. It's like, OK, as soon as that's the phrase, you should be querying more than you were ever going to query before. Become the query. Quit king or queen. Seriously. Like get a hat that says I query stuff and walk around your parade it around your school. What they going to do? Oh, they're going to Chuck employment law at you. Remind them that that doesn't matter, You can't have that hand here. Oh, didn't think we're using the SPTZ. Whatever it's called, don't. Throw that around. Don't throw that around unless it benefits me as your boss. Don't throw that around, please. Yeah, yeah, It's disciplining you. It's insane. And the timing thing, what was it timing? How long it takes our staff to reach their duty points? Like, I understand as a principle, right?

23:49 Someone just said stand alone out of this toxic story. We, we, we obviously think it's better to have staff where they should be, but when they should be there. I'm like, yeah, of course that makes sense. But within this whole thing, I'm just like, it just they it screams toxicity. This school is clearly not a nice place to work. I would be challenging it. I wouldn't be. Just because someone in a higher position of power than you were saying don't do it doesn't mean that right When they say don't look at the contract or question me. You shouldn't then be like, oh, maybe you shouldn't then be doubting yourself. But yeah, good little bit like maybe I. Shouldn't they didn't say not to? They said yeah, they said not to because they're literally breaking the rules. I don't want you to do it, right. Definitely do it. And if you don't, and if you don't like it, rally up some staff, right? Take it to the governors.

24:30 And if you nothing happened. Just leave. I know it's easier said than done, but you know, start at least start looking for another job. Oh, that was going to be my point was it's like with something as fundamentally insane as this, just get like power numbers, get every other teacher in the whole place to sign off an e-mail or a letter or something and and say we're not doing this. By the way, what I would say to this person as well is when, when when the leader has the attitude of don't throw around the legal document we have to abide by. My next point kind of is kind of redundant because my next point is look up employment law. Like there is literally employment law where you can't work for more than six hours in a row without having a 20 minute break. That's the law. Like that's you can't say don't ban that around, please.

25:11 It's like, OK, if I punched you in the face right now and you're like, that's illegal. Don't band around the law. Of course you can't just say that and I'm in a position of power for you. So you have to just shut up. We're living in that world right now where people can just lie and say, no, that's not true. No, we have to listen to that. No, we do. And we have to call you out for it. And we have to not let you get away with it just because you're in that position of. Power. Weird, Sir, because I can't find anywhere in the employment law or lack of that I can't put a stink bum in your sandwich. We're not looking weird, isn't it? How that keeps happening every single day? That's. How about the SDPC? Needs to be. I want to do a stink bum in your sandwich in your classroom. Yeah. This is like ultimate toxicity where I'm like, you know, when we talk about toxic things and maybe we go over the top sometimes it's a small thing and it's one part of the school. This is like, to me, I read way more into this than even this is crazy what I'm reading.

25:56 But I understand that as a place of work, this must be horrendous. Yeah, if your staff are burning out, which they clearly are here doing things like this on top of all the extra stuff you're already doing, It's not. It's not. Are we got to be really harsh? They're not kids. I will sit here and defend children to a tee. When when when schools become like prison camps and you have to do this children all the time and it's non negotiable when you've got to that. I say for the kids, I'm like, that's awful. What do you think I'm going to say for your employees who are doing a job like obviously you've got to do this. It's. Different. I often wonder like what the motivation is for those leaders like the in this situation. I'd love to get into their brain and just find out what's making them do it.

26:40 Like do they think it's actually going to improve outcomes for children? Or do they just not care about staff, but they still think it's going to improve outcomes for children? Or is it like a situation where they think they've come into a school, for example, I'm trying to think of like the opposite end of the spectrum. Maybe they come to the school and they thought, Oh my God, the staff here, they're so complacent. They're not doing their jobs properly. Like even the basics of their job, they're just not doing it properly. I can't fire them. I can't do anything. I'm just going to whip them into shape. And maybe they genuinely have in their head, I'm whipping them into shape and I don't like it. They can leave. And maybe that's what they're actually thinking at the time. Like, I just want to know what is in the brains of these people because I'd love to have that debate and be like, OK, is what you're doing meeting the goal of whatever your goal is? Is the are these actions, though, actually, like the right thing to do?

27:20 Because I don't think those actions are the right thing to do in any situation. Well, yeah, even if even if these actions mean you're meeting the goal, you're still wrong. Yeah. It's like, OK, my goal is to build a pyramid. I'm going to enslave all these thousands of people to do it for me. It doesn't become OK to do it that way because it's met the goal. But it's it's it's it's so it's the wrong way to look at it. We're like, Oh, well, it's meeting the goal of whipping the staff into shape without getting. We need legally to have this amount of this amount of adults on the playground with the children to look after them. We need legally to have that. That's that's a that's a ambitious, like not even ambitious. It's a necessary thing. So I'm going to come in and say, no, you have to get there in this time. I'm going to start timing you because it's law. Yeah. OK, cool. That might be the right goal and it might be the right way of thinking. I need to get there.

28:04 But it doesn't automatically mean that just because something's going to that goal, it's a good thing. Yeah, for the best approach. Yeah, exactly that. And I just think I don't think there are many points where leadership like this don't genuinely think that they're doing the best thing either for their school or for the law or for the children. I don't I, I really don't think, I think there are probably some examples where someone might be able to point me to someone just being a narcissist who's just an idiot, actually horrible. But I do think most of the time, even this, this seems baked into, well, we need this many literal people doing duty. So we're going to have to have this rule. We have to have them there at this time. Otherwise the children are unsupervised and that's literally illegal. We can't have the children unsupervised. So I'm going to make this a rule. But the way you're doing this is just insane.

28:45 And refusing to release a directed time calendar. I'm pretty sure you probably can. You probably can refuse to do it right. I don't know the insurance and outs of the exact law be worth looking up to see. Do you have to provide a direct time calendar? But you should be. And what you do have to do is go by the working hours. So whether you release or not, 9 times out of 10, the reason people don't release a directed time calendar is they because they know what they're directing you to do is above and beyond that and would not be legal. So that person refusing is usually an indicator of you're doing too much. Yeah, they're doing it wrong. Very rarely have I seen someone reluctant to do a directed time calendar. Who's under it. If anything, those people who are under directed time, 1265 hours a year are the first ones to be like, and here's why. Here you go.

29:28 Here it is, it's below it. I want you to see this. So I'd be immediately, that's a red flag for me not releasing the directed time count. It's like, OK, you're trying to exploit me. And then when I graze it, you're saying don't band about these, these documents, Every single part of this is me saying they are in the wrong. And it does doesn't matter. It isn't an argument to say, well, we need this many bodies at lunchtime. Cool. Nothing to do with me. And if you're going to be that petty and horrible and treat us like this, I'm going to turn around and be that responsive and be like, no, not doing it. So I'd get power in numbers, refuse to do it, push it. And when it's the law, don't back down just because they're in a position of power. I needed you to get to that staff meeting by 4:00 and break the speed limit to get there. But I needed you to be there. That was the goal. So I'm not going to break the law just because you think I should be there.

30:11 Just because you're telling me I have to be there at 4, I'm not going to break the law to do it. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Let's do another one, right? What's your best class? Attention strategy? Clap and repeat, countdown, call and response, hand up and wait, all that sort of good stuff. I with this, it's really interesting. I my take on this has changed loads across my career. So someone asked last week what's changed a lot? And I was like, I reckon this is the thing where I've had the most like backwards and forwards and changed a lot. Because I think there's, there's a few ways of looking at it. Some schools might want to be really consistent. Every single adult in the room does the same call and response, and I can really understand why they might want that. Right across the school. Across the school. So then if anyone's covering or you get your child in Year 5 and they've had five years in the school already and they know that when a teacher does this, you pay attention because my previous teacher did it. I'm a previous teacher.

30:58 I get all that completely. And they might say, so do this specific thing. And in that moment you might think, well, I like this other way of doing stuff, but this isn't a bad way of getting response. Fine, I'll do it that way. There's the other side of me as well though, and this is where I've moved more towards. At the start of my career, I really was behind that and I was like Swally a pride. Just do what you've got to do. We're all going to do the same thing. I still think if you work in a school like that, it's one of those things where just do it, you know, why not just do it, Just do it that way. That's fine. It's just a call and response. However, myself in my career teaching with my children in my class, it's such a short amount of time that you can teach a call and response that I don't think it's the end of the world if you don't do the same one as everyone. Yeah, I agree.

31:43 I think it's so low stakes. Right and maybe I'll throw this back over to you then, because my stance is as a teacher, I have genuinely got about 8 different ways of getting the classes attention that I might use at any one point depending on what's happening. So I might do a non verbal one, I might do a very verbal one. I might do 1 without my voice but with like a bell or something there's and might do a clap. So there's there's lots of ways of doing it. And as the teacher, I'll think of two things #1 what works best with the children? It might be some years consistency works best. It might be some years changing up works best. So yeah. So what works best with the children and #2 what the situation? Yeah, that's a big one. Is, is kind of lending it too. So we're doing quite independent writing.

32:24 Yeah. I don't have to shout yelling out some. Yeah, if they're if they're doing group work, I might do a clap to get. You you're not going to sit there silently whilst they're engaged in some group work and no one's looking at you and you're doing a silent countdown or something. Doesn't make sense. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's interesting that you've got loads, because I feel like I made it to the teacher end game. The teacher end game is just doing this. That's it. It's as simple as that. And then you stop. You're really, really loud, obnoxious, and then you stop and then you wait and everyone goes look to you and you sort of look at them as it to say I'm waiting. You don't bother doing anything else. You know, I'm only joking, but you do do that a lot. I find that's the thing, right?

33:05 Or the classic like you purposely go to start talking, knowing that absolutely being really loud and you go right so now and you stop. You stop in the middle of a word because you're so shocked that they were talking over you when you started your sentence, even though you literally did it on purpose. You got those little strategies. But in terms of like, actual, like, I was reading that thinking, do you know what I used to do? Loads. Yeah. I think they definitely whittled down over the years. I don't think that's for a good reason, by the way. I think I just stopped doing them like genuinely with. Your care for the job. Yeah, my care for the job. So did my my limit my number of callbacks went, but I used to do a lot of like of the callbacks where you say something and they sounds like. Okay, let's play game. Let's play. Yeah, I'm gonna start them. I wanna see if you know what kind of okay, ready to here if you're ready. Macaroni cheese.

33:47 Everybody freeze. Hocus pocus. Everybody focus. 123. Eyes on me, there's loads. My favourite 1 flat tyre. I was going to say I do. My kids love that one. Yeah, but I don't, I didn't, I found the last couple of years I didn't really do that, but I did do a lot like this is staple like every single day of my teaching career, literally just A-543-T1 countdown, teach, sleep, repeat, everybody quit. Something like that. Sleep, repeat, everybody quit and everyone walks out. Everyone walks out. And then we go, we're going to do now education, we're going to do now government, we're all gone. What we're going to do now?

34:32 It's been the right one. Is it not? No. Not at all. Oh, that's so funny, but. Yeah, the countdown, genuinely it just works. It's just good. Like like you said sometimes I will make it non verbal though, like if the situation is right and I can just put my hand up and just just show my fingers. When you say countdown, you mean like a 5 to one thing where by the time I get to 1. So the point of a countdown, I really like the countdown because the point is I'm not going to interrupt you because there's nothing more annoying when you're middle of a sentence. But I'm and letting you know that's 5 seconds from now you need to be silent. Yeah, I think it's very fair. Some children immediately are with you, and some children are like, Oh yeah, and also, if we do that, maybe it'll work. And then they stop. Yeah, exactly that. So I always say to the kids exactly what you just said. By the time I'm on one, I do expect you to be quiet. But those seconds before, if you need to finish your conversation, just finish your sentence. It's absolutely fine.

35:15 I was like, and then I do that because I think it's rude if I just turn around and you said stop. Yeah. And I and I expect it's rude, isn't? It that'd be really rude if you did that exactly. The other thing I do all the time? Kids. I'm a hypocrite by the way, is. Hypocrite. Mr Stevens, that's the call back. Hypocrite. Oh God. Oh yeah. So like I'm trying to have a look back around to something a bit more serious here. I see a lot online. I really, I can't remember the name of the account, which really annoys me. And I will shout them out because they did some really good stuff about classroom management. I can't remember her name. It's frustrating me. But I saw a comment on one of the reels and it was like, I love what you're doing. Because basically this one will go in, be at the front of the classroom as the teacher's doing something. The teacher might struggle to get the attention. And then she will walk in very supportively. And they know they're there to be like, OK, and, and to try and show what maybe you could have done instead to get the attention to the class.

36:09 And some really good techniques in there. Loads of really good techniques, but the question someone put underneath, which I thought was really interesting, started off saying, I love what you're doing. I think what you're doing is really good, empowering teachers, giving them these techniques and showing them what to do. But how much do you think being a new adult in the room and someone interesting who they've not seen before is actually lending itself to the children listening to you maybe more than their teacher who they've had for six months and they know, they know them inside out. And it's just like, hey, you've lost all that like rabbit in the head like thing. I've seen them straight away and I want to put it to you, how, How important do you think the actual way you get of getting your class's attention, what you do? How important do you think that is compared to your attitude, the way you carry yourself, your expectations, your consequences, the bits outside of literally how you get their attention? Because I think 1's clearly more important than the other. And that just kind of open my eyes to that bit. It's like there's more to it than yeah. Why doesn't everyone just do a countdown? OK.

37:09 Because for me personally, I need to work on other stuff rather than what I'm saying. I think the, the way you do the thing like what we were talking about there, the the strategy that you use is almost, almost completely unimportant. I think there are some importances in terms of, like you said, a school might have a policy, OK, there's some importance there because you just want consistency. That's important is important because of consistency. That's fine. But I think you as a person is absolutely like almost almost entirely the other thing, just how you are in general with the class, how your demeanour, how you talk to them on a daily basis. Because sort of circling back to the other point you made, which is that how important, how much of a difference does it make when you're a fresh face? It makes a massive difference. We can't pretend it doesn't. Everyone knows when you have transition day, the kids are like the best behaviour they'll ever be because you're brand new to them at that point.

37:51 They're sussing you out. They're trying to make, some of them are trying to make a good impression. Some of them are just thinking, I just don't know you yet. So I'm not going to take the risk of being silly by the end of the year. It's always more relaxed. It's just natural. Some some are better than others at keeping keeping it. You know the expectations of behaviour just as high as they were and. Pupils and teachers, by the way. Exactly right. And some not not as good, but it always dips. It always dips. So that proves, I think that, yeah, the more comfortable they are with you, the more likely they are to to act up and behave, you know? A little worse if you're struggling to get the attention of some children in your class. I think it's good then to have this is what comes back to what I said. Well, I've got like a catalogue basically, and I know if something's getting a bit old, like macaroni, right. My kids love that at the start. But after two months, yeah, they don't, they don't freeze. It's background noise.

38:32 Yeah. So then if I say flat tyre and maybe I've not explained it to them, I've got flat tyre and they're like, what? Yeah. I'm like, you meant to be a flat tyre? That this the sounds. What sound? Yeah. OK, so everybody freeze. Yeah, get the wrong exactly. Let's get it wrong. So we do it again and that kind of piques their interest again. So I think there's two prongs to this. That's what I'm saying here. I do think it's important to change it up sometimes. Yes, I do think that can keep it fresh and but what has to be the golden thread going throughout this is very, very clear expectations. When you embed something, you say, when I do this, you do that. And if you aren't all doing that, I'm going to put you up on it. And if I get to 0 in my countdown, you're not paying attention, there'll be consequences. I think that is the golden thread. So no matter what you choose, it almost is irrelevant what you're choosing. If you don't have the attitude of I'm in charge of this classroom, at the end of the day, I'm going to give you lots of opportunities to talk and I'm going to explain what is rude and what isn't rude, what you did really well. But remember, guys, I am in charge and I'm in charge because I am the professional here and I want to help you as much as possible.

39:31 Yeah. So if I'm asking you to be quiet and silent and listen, I'm not doing it for fun. I'm not doing it because I get a kick out of it. I'm doing it because you need to listen to the next part of the lesson and then you'll get a chance to have a go yourself. And others do as well. Exactly. And it's extremely selfish to take that opportunity away from others, right. Would you say that sort of thing to the kids? Because I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. Like I said, I spent most of my career in year 4, so 8 and 9 year olds and they absolutely get it. And, and it's it's fine if they don't all get it, but lots of them do. And there's some children sometimes even at that lower level where you have to be teaching them as you go courtesy and you have to be. And I don't think we should be scared to say I'm the teacher, I'm in charge because there are definitely some some, and I'm not saying this happens a lot, but definitely some schools. Where it's, it's almost being holistic is amazing and children need the chance to understand stuff and as as teachers and educators, we need to be really understanding, especially when it comes to behaviour, when it comes to consequences for bad behaviour, etcetera.

40:25 I, I'm completely on board, but it's OK as well. It's about no, I'm in charge. Stop doing that. Stop right now. Don't. Don't you dare. Carry on you. Don't need to question why I've. Explained. You don't need to question. I've explained previously I'm in charge and every choice I make is to help you. And in this moment right now, you have to stop talking to your partner. It's rude. I'm trying to talk, your partner's trying to listen. To me why? Don't ask me honestly I will. I've explained it to you 4 times. It's got to the point now where you just listened to me and that's OK. And I am the biggest advocate. I was that kid who always asked why, but I also had to be told multiple times when I was a child because I've explained to you 5 times I can't do it anymore. And in this moment, just shush. Yeah, just be quiet and that's OK. And you've got to have those strong, firm boundaries with children, else it goes wild, it goes crazy. I.

41:12 Agree, and sometimes it's actually not appropriate to explain the why there are. It's not as often, but there are genuinely situations where even though you feel like I would like to explain why to the kids that I've made this decision, but it's genuinely not appropriate. It might be something personal, like you've done something in the class because of a certain child's need. And you know, and I'm not going to sit there and explain to the class, oh, I've done that because this child needs this thing. I'm just. Holding the RCP it says this. Yeah, You know, it's like, no, you don't need to know that. I'll tell you What you do need to do is just trust that I'm making decisions in the class and in the best interest of this class. And if you don't get it, that's fine, but don't ask me. It's not appropriate. Completely, absolutely right. Next one What is your most hated education buzzword? Buzzword. Can I make it a buzz phrase? Go on. Yeah, Buzz, because one thing goes my. Buzzword is I hate it.

41:56 Mine's everybody freeze macaroni Junior. Mine is have firm boundaries for beta. I hate it. It is, and I feel like this might get you as well already. I just don't like this phrase even though it's fine. Go on, go the extra mile. Okay. Because in education, go the extra mile. I feel like it's always used in a really patronising way. Condescending. Just get your condescending. Yeah, just just go the extra mile and do this extra thing. Like what do you mean go the extra? Do you realise I'm going the extra mile by doing the job right at its most basic level? Because the job at its most basic level already sneakily, he requires me to do loads of work outside of the work hours like. I'm going to be the Tick Tock ready. I'm going to be the Tick Tock Classic teacher. Not wanting to. Why don't you just quit if you don't want to go the extra mile for my children?

42:38 Block. That's them gone. Yeah. Yeah, literally. But it's just I just yeah. In all seriousness, I am going the extra mile all the time. And I don't need anyone to tell me to go the extra mile because I'm constantly doing it all the time to help your children because I actually really do value them and care about them and I care about this job a lot. So someone's saying I'll just go the extra mile, do the do the cross country and do an extra mile. Literally. No, I'm not doing it with the kids I don't like. I can run. We've talked about me repping Mr Kebab as I walk into the swimming pool. What do I look like I'm running the cross country and doing an extra mile? No, thank you. But it's so true because it gets conflated, doesn't it? That's what winds me up going the extra mile. It gets all just put in a big pot of unless you're doing everything you possibly can do as a teacher to get it, you're not going the extra mile.

43:20 And it's like, whoa, whoa, can we look at this dial from zero to 80, please? Where I'm already going the extra mile. I'm already marking things in the evening. I'm already planning stuff at the weekend. This, this, it's this really annoying. Like it's like Schrodinger's teacher moan, right? Where people say both simultaneously that we get 13 weeks holiday, why the hell are we moaning? But at the same time say you get 13 weeks holiday of course you should do extra work. Which is it? Which is it? Do I get 13 weeks holiday where I don't have to do anything ever and I should just stop moaning? Or is it I get 13 weeks holiday so I should take on loads of extra more work because no one else gets 13? Weeks. Well then, that's why. It can't be both. It can't be both. Pick one because you can't have, you know, beating us with a rod of how much time we get off, but then also simultaneously saying therefore you should do loads of work and it's of course teachers shouldn't get that much.

44:05 Time. And then when we moan about the work, you say we've got all that time off. Yeah. Exactly. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. I'm. Spending the time of doing it, I can't win this. Yeah. So going back to the extra Mar thing, you said it, it you're absolutely right. Because literally if you look at our contract, it has in our contract teachers need to do extra work to to kind of fulfil the job. And it's like, OK, cool. If you're not defining that as the extra mile already as I was going above and beyond the 1265 contracts, my what do you want? Because if you think if you just happen to think that running a disco is the extra mile or you just happen to think that going on, you know, some kind of trip. The Essex is on residential for a week away from my family is going the extra mark and we should do it. Please tell me what you do as a job because I'll start having opinions on what's the extra mark for you.

44:47 Yeah. What's that you work at Asda? Well, you should stay overnight and restart the shelves. Yeah, because while you don't care about your customers. Absolutely What No, it's just it's an absolute nonsense. It's. Got the end of your shift and you're only halfway through unloading that cage. Yeah, I think you should have finished the cage before you go. That's only polite, isn't it? How was you're leaving it for someone else? Doesn't matter. Your time is ending. Oh. Whatever, I want some whisper gold in the morning and it's empty on the shelf because you didn't finished the shopping. Trolley off, you didn't want to go. Yeah, honestly, it's just ridiculous. Whatever. Honestly, anyone who says that, I'm like, you know, tell me your job. I'll tell you what. My one. Yeah, well, sure. Is non negotiable non negotiable? When I hear non negotiable I just turn off straight away because it winds me up. It almost goes back to what we said earlier about the talk. Someone is that just sorry? Is this just because of you though? Is it because anyone telling you anything ever to do you're like Nope, I ain't doing that now.

45:29 I didn't I didn't suggest it. I should do something. There's no way I'm doing that now because someone's told me Non negotiable. I think it's negotiable for me, Sir. And the negotiation is no, I'm not doing it by is that, is that just a you thing? This is like a wider gripe here. No, it's it's probably just a beeping, but I'm what I want to explain myself. What I'm not saying is there is no such thing as non negotiable. If I want in and I was just like watching Netflix with the kids, right? And you're drunk. I mean drunk, sorry. Otherwise put Netflix on kids and someone says, guys, it's a non negotiable. You've got to teach maths. I'm not. What I'm not saying is that things that aren't negotiable don't exist. I'm not I'm not.

46:10 I'm not suggesting that. But the word non negotiable as an ex, like as an education buzzword has become something which I hate, which is something very much negotiable. If if SLT or leaders or whoever's introducing it doesn't want to have that conversation and kind of already thinks it might be negative, we'll just slap on at the end. And this is a non negotiable as if to say, don't you dare talk to me about it. I'm already preluding this. I know this is a negotiable. I know it's probably wrong. I know it goes against that bloody SDPCD keep waving around in front of me, but this is non negotiable. So it just it's just a way of trying to shut that door before you get there. And I'm just like, OK, that's wrong. It's so true. It's so true it is a buzzword because it does just get used incorrectly all the time. I love that it basically means this is not for discussion anymore.

46:52 Exactly. This thing that's perfectly reasonably should be up for discussion. It's no longer up for discussion. It's non negotiable. Right, guys, you're not allowed to wear shoes anymore to have laces non negotiable. I think we should be able to negotiate. Guys, we've changed the policy on how the lessons look. You need to put the school logo in every in the corner on every single slide. Now non negotiable. Is it because I think we should, I think we should be able to negotiate on this. That's a lot of my time that you're just telling me I need to use that on the weekends. Let's talk about it turns into that when something non negotiable turns into oh, right, you've just you've just non negotiated my way into three hours on a Sunday working. No, no, that's negotiable. Get in the bin. Yeah, I tell you what, No, sorry Dylan. Because actually the new, the new policy at the school, because we're really trying to up the standards because it's all about the kids. It's all for the kids. We what we, what we need you to do is submit your planning on a Friday and we will review it and get it back to you by Sunday.

47:34 It's non negotiable. We have to do it now. So sorry. Do you know what? There were three comments to that. That kind of recurred for our three comments because we talked about that. One was, Oh my God, I worked in a school like this. It was horrendous. The next one was, Oh my goodness me, I can't believe that's a thing. How terrible is that? Yeah, like I wouldn't, I'd leave. And the third one was that didn't. Happen. And I knew you were gonna say. That that didn't happen. Yeah, that didn't happen. Sorry. Did the 25 people in these comments telling you that it happened in their school? Is that not enough for you to understand that it does happen and that maybe something outside of your experience? Does occur happens a lot though. I saw someone else's like an education in the education Instagram real world. Someone else did a real and genuinely the first comment and it was one of those kind of toxic stories. The first comment was we all know this just doesn't happen.

48:14 This is just completely made-up. Yeah, Yeah. And if people were just like, no, not even the person that made the rule was like, well, I can assure you someone very much told me this story, wrote it in, and it's real. And it's happened for lots of other people, as you can tell from the. Comments and when you when you press comment to write something and you scroll past four comments saying this happened to me, yeah, you're just bit like, no, I didn't it's like, OK, OK bro, I can't talk to you then. Yeah, what's the point? What's the point? Yeah, honestly, ridiculous, right? One more. I think this is a nice one to end on. Go for it. Would you ever work for Ofsted or the Education Department and change things that way? That's a really good question. I think I would actually quite like to do that. Yeah. I, I if I if that. You'd like to work for Ofsted because to me I'm separating Ofsted and the Education Department.

48:55 Yeah, I suppose that's two things I was kind of thinking. But but would you work for Ofsted? I think so, yeah. As in, I wouldn't, it wouldn't be a flat no. If in all seriousness, right now in my life, with the way my life is going, I literally would say no. OK, so ignore that for a second. I'm going to really rephrase this to you because I'm very interested. Now you're in a position where you're leaving teaching and you need another job and nothing else is going on. You just need another job and you're in the you're in the same boat now thinking I'd probably work for them. Would you accept a role as an Ofsted inspector tomorrow and start from next week, do a better training of Ofsted and be going into schools before Christmas under the current way Ofsted works? Being an Ofsted inspector, do you genuinely think that's something you want to do and do you genuinely think that's something where you could effect change?

49:36 I would do it Wow, under the idea that I've maybe it's gone too stubborn is that I I I think I could make a difference. You couldn't, you couldn't know, like I'm just telling you now, you couldn't because in the same way you left teaching because you couldn't make a difference. It's it's it's systemic. Systemic. Like all that would happen is you'd go through the Ofsted training and you'd have to go and like, you'd have to prove yourself and be like, OK, well, I don't know what Ofsted do. Maybe they do no training. I don't know. But you and then you end up in a school. I'm joking. Of course they do. You have to. Then you just end up going in a school. What do you think you're going to do as an offset inspector in a school? Like barring going against the guidance that they have? Yeah, like, you might be a nice, lovely person, but you're still propping up a system that you, I know, fundamentally think is ridiculous and you wouldn't be able to change it, so you would just be an agent in the thing you hate. So why such a hypocrite?

50:21 Well, how about screw you about you shut up, stop talking. Is it non negotiable? It's a non negotiable. I'll be officers inspector and I'll be putting the stink bombs in that and teachers desk and I've told you already I'll be going to those toxic schools and just completely rattling them from the inside out. Can you imagine if we did a? That was non negotiable. So it's non negotiable. I was seeing the conversation that suppose. It's a good point though, because I because the hardest, the biggest, best point you made there, all the what? I ignore the waffle. The best point you made there was a bit about I did leave teaching ultimately because I just realised I just can't make the change that I think needs to be. Made why you were hypocritical shell. I think it's the words hopeful. I think it's ambitious hopeful. I think it's two things. You naive? Yeah. Stupid, misinformed, bold I'm. Not sure what that's to do, but yeah. Yeah.

51:06 So you wouldn't work frosted then? Absolutely wouldn't work. Frosted as a principle you like, No. It's not even a principle like if it like fundamentally changed, I'd work for him. 100 around a year here we go here we. Go 100 grand a year No. 200 No. One mil no ��1,000,000 a year to be an off that inspector and you're saying no our principal? Yeah right. But I'm getting my Lamborghini and buggering off to the different island. You're off to the you're off to the banner shop. It's an outstanding banner for a million a year. Absolutely. Money talks, baby. Yeah, no, 1,000,000 lbs and one. 1,000,000 lbs and 1 LB That's that's your car. No, look, OK, All right, Which goes back to ethics. This is like a whole big thing. I would be doing something I think is fundamentally wrong and it would have to be a lot of fun.

51:49 That's fine. I just want to know that I don't care about that. Seriously. I want to know at what point can I pay off your ethics? I want to know at what point do you become a complete sell out fraud? I'm going to say because this is hypothetical, I can say never, never, never, never, however, for the education. System, you've been a billionaire. For the education system, yeah. In terms of like the DfE, like in the civil service, yeah, that interests me a lot more. I've been talking to some people who work in the civil service, specifically in the DFA with the ministers, etcetera. OK, you, that sounds interesting to me. Where again can you effect massive change? Probably not in that role, but you can at least be working on something where you are literally involved in government policy.

52:35 That is the way to change stuff. We talk about how to change things, how to change offset, how to change schools. It comes from the government. So if I'm going to be in a place that can affect change more than anything else, it would be in that situation. Yeah, absolutely. Right. So that's where I'd be more interested in like do you know what I maybe would? I'm not a complete sell out shell like you. You can change the policies for me, the Ofsted inspector, but you're right now, because the, the DfE thing, that is basically what I had in my head when I was thinking of that, I was like, where can I, I can impact change, right? And actually working for Ofsted itself is not the one working for the DfE who, where you might be, you might have some control over how the DfE were involved in the, the, in the, in Ofsted. That's where you actually might be able to say, put forward suggestions and work on projects and make real difference and real change and listen to people and implement things with a team. We need a step above this, don't you? Would you become an MP?

53:23 Considering I don't know anything about politics. No, I don't think that's a prerequisite looking at that big down there. Wouldn't worry too much about that ballot. That's true. No, I'm sure it'd be a very stressful job. I'm not sure I'd. Want to go, but that would be the ultimate because like the civil service kind of are supposed to execute the orders of the MPs and the people in charge. So again, change is limited. I felt like you'd enjoy that. I think maybe when I'm much older. I don't think it's a job for me now. I really don't. I know a lot of MPs are young. Yeah, I think I, I genuinely think that I would enjoy it, but I think there'd be so much frustration involved, so much like immediate vitoral from being an MP, like straight away, no matter what party I would end up trying to represent or whatever it would be immediately, half the population hate you.

54:08 Doesn't matter. Like just straight away, straight away because of what you, what colour you wear and stuff. Then I could deal with that because really fundamentally what I truly care about in that role, Yeah, it's just affecting change and helping people and there's just so much more to it where no, it makes sense becoming media trained and all that kind of stuff. Like I just can't watch what you're saying. We have a burnout career, isn't it? Yeah, it's like end of career. That's. What? I mean like when I'm 55, right? Yeah, I'm imagining when I'm 55, it might be something where I go. Do you know? Do you know what? Let's have a go. Maybe they're begging you like please don't. And please, you're like, I'll think about it. I'll think about it. Why were they chiselling? Something I don't know. I don't know what this movement was please. We've got in this podcast right now. You're not watching, I'm good 'cause you didn't see whatever hand with that.

54:52 One, I'm begging you, Dylan. I'm begging you. I'm begging you. There's no amount of money but. Knocking in a couple of nails. Bitch chiselling, Give me a billion, give me a chisel. Right, that's all we've we've lost it and. It there guys thank you so much for this thing we got this far share with someone you might think might find it. I would normally say useful. Maybe this week I'll just say funny and entertaining and leaves a review. It really helps us. Hayden hopefully actually thought of something this week. You going to sign us off? Have a fantastic rest of your week guys and see you next time.