Ep 145: Listener Questions: Embarassing Pupil Encounters, Worst Education Buzzwords & Would We Work For Ofsted?

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Cheat

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Sleep Repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Hayden, and we're back and you
know what it means on a

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Wednesday.
It's listener questions Hayden.

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Where can they get their
question the submission fall

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from?
Are you all right?

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I'm OK.
They can get them from the

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WhatsApp community.
How can they join the WhatsApp

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community?
Or they can use the link in the

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description of this podcast
episode, or they can just head

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and find the link there somehow.
Good luck.

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It's hide and seek.
Got to try and find it first.

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That is the only way that we
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who enter.
Did you find the link?

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Yeah.
Yes, yeah.

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Well done.
Join us.

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Well done.
So every single question is from

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the people who have joined that
group, our lovely listeners.

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Let's start straight.
Him.

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Cool.
Once on holiday in Tenerife at

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Siam Park.
Big shout out for Siam Park.

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Have you been there?
No, it is 10 out of 10.

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It's like this big water park.
Where is it?

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Huge slide.
Oh, I wonder where it is once on

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holiday.
Once in a while, the Internet I.

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I'm warming up, I'm warming up
and.

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What is it about?
Yeah, it's what about?

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Yeah.
Park.

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Yeah.
Strong start. 6 words in God's

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sake.
I realised about 10 minutes into

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a queue.
How long?

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I knew.
It, I knew it.

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Do you know we talked earlier
about what we were like earlier

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on in the podcast?
Yeah.

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We'd be restarting now.
Absolutely.

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No, we're not.
Where is it?

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That's not the question.
Come on, get to it.

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Honestly, waffle.
He does nothing but waffle with

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this guy.
Nothing but waffle get.

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To the question, and there was a
child in my friend's form right

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ahead of me with his whole
family.

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I awkwardly tried to cover
myself for the rest of the

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waterslide queue.
Where is the worst place you

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have ever encountered a child,
or?

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That is awkward.
That is awkward.

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I mean, it feels like a bit of a
cop out because it's quite

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similar.
But where is it for this person?

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I know where they.
Know, but for me it was

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Tenerife.
I was in Tenerife this time.

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I saw my mate was looking at me
actually and there.

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Was my I was giving up Jeffrey
behind?

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Mine has to be in all
seriousness though, it's got to

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be swimming, isn't it?
Like our local swimming pool?

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Obviously all the kids go to it
as well.

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So anytime ever we want to go
swimming, which is basically

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never.
But since since you know, since

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we've had River and she's my
daughter, by the way.

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Who loves waterfall?
Who loves what?

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Would you?
Would you?

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Write it that river loves water,
the name and the name.

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Predetermined she's going to be
a swimmer, actually.

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She didn't have a name for six
months to go swimming.

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Six months old and we were like.
It's this new thing where you

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don't name your child.
You just let them live.

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Yeah.
And you name them after what

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they like.
Exactly.

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Yeah.
And your name?

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Your name.
Whisper Gold.

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That's your name, Yes.
Yeah.

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He just crawled to Whisper Gold.
He's.

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Just yeah.
Crazy.

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Named about six months.
Oh.

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Gosh, we actually asked this
question.

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So swimming genuinely then.
Yeah, I completely agree with

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you, by the way.
And I know this podcast is full

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of laughs and we, me and you, we
take the piss out of each other

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all the time, but genuinely,
when it comes to like swimming

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and stuff, we are just in our
swimming shorts, right?

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And, and, and jokes aside, even
if even if I had a body that I

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wasn't remotely ashamed of in
whatsoever and I loved it, and

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which I don't, I don't know just
about that really.

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There are points just to make it
really clear to when I'm

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listening.
I don't think I have the Adonis

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body.
There's some Greek God.

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I don't have that.
But even if I did like the the

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idea of just being in your
swimming shorts and seeing a

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child in your school, even
though it's in a completely

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different environment and it's
obviously fine, Yeah, it makes

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my inside.
Squat.

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It does me walking for.
You're talking about not having

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a Greek body.
I'm representing Mr Kebab as I'm

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walking through.
I wouldn't walk into the

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classroom in my swimming trunks
and not feel horribly

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uncomfortable.
Do you know what I mean?

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Especially not what you did.
Health eating lesson.

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And I've got a kebab anywhere
not really appropriate for a

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pool is.
It if we went to get any kind of

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like deals, we're going with any
kind of food industry.

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There's the podcasts out there
who are like, take this healthy

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supplement, Mr Kebab, we can
shout you out.

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It was a free kebab.
Everywhere.

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I've left three reviews on your
for your website on Google.

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Can I please have some sort of
endorsement?

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The the fact that you actually
have genuinely left three

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reviews on a kebab website.
It was just so good.

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But anyway, we digress anyway.
It it is awkward, isn't it?

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When you when you go straight.
So if you actively like, stop

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doing it because of that.
Not it's not necessarily that

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reason, but it is definitely a
huge part.

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Anytime we think about going
swimming, my genuine first

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thought is like, what time of
the day is it?

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Is it half term or something
like that?

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Because I really just don't want
there's.

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Is there anything worse than
genuinely being in the changing

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rooms of a swim?
Important.

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Bumping into a family?
Yeah.

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Like, hello.
A bit of small talk.

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How you doing?
How's the new class?

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You saw that kid last year or
something?

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Just a quick one about times.
Table rocks.

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I'm really sad.
Don't worry right now you've got

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that login.
Actually, I'll tell you what I

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got on my phone.
I'm just, you know, in my towel

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or something.
It's just, I don't know.

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There's just something about it
where I'm like, there is nothing

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worse.
And it's happened enough times,

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but it probably has impacted
honestly how much it goes from

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here because I just don't want
that to happen.

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Have you got any different ones?
Or yeah, my one, my one's a

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weird one.
I I am so obviously I'm 32 now.

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Don't really go out like like we
used to do when we were younger

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at Universal out drinking out,
out, yeah, go out for like more

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adult stuff now.
But yeah, in back in the days

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when you're out to like 3 in the
morning, you know, having 74

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beers, whatever it was, don't
really do that very often right

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now.
But there was a time a few years

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ago, penis was like two or three
years ago now.

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It was post COVID and we went
out and I think, I don't think

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it was with you.
I do have friends other than you

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and that's weird.
I'm not sure we should be

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disclosing.
That I do actually have people

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who I hang out with who aren't
you strange enough, We went out

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and we went to this old pub that
I've been to a million times,

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like growing up.
And it was like, should we go

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there?
Should we go in that pub with

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like, I'm in a bit old now,
aren't me?

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It's like probably full of, you
know, kids just out of school.

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Is that best bit odd?
I don't really want to go in

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there.
Then one of our friends was

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like, should we just go for old
time's sake?

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Just going because it had been
refurbished, it'd been

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completely damp again, so it
looked completely different to

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what we were used to.
It was like, OK, look, we'll go

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in, we'll have a drink and we'll
leave.

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So I went in there and yeah, of
course, it was just filled with,

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to me what, like children, what
am I doing?

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Because obviously as you grow
up, what used to be a normal

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like looking person your age is
now, even if they're 1819, they

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look.
Like, yeah, they just look kind

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of easy.
So we're like, God, let's order

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a drink, let's go.
And a bouncer came up to me

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before I even got my drink and
said DJ wants a word with you.

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Oh.
God, what's He done?

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What?
Like at this moment I was like,

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what do you I've not done
anything.

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It's like, alright, come on this
way.

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But the the bounce was dead.
Pam like it was a serious thing.

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And I was like, OK, sure.
I walked up.

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The DJ was the dad of one of the
kids who I taught in school and

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he was like the most lovely guy
ever.

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He was smiling.
He was like, hey, it was the

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price.
I was like, Oh my God.

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And then from there we were
like, I ended up having a couple

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of drinks in there.
We had a good time.

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We knew the DJ and he was just
having a good one.

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And I was like, this is insane.
So it wasn't necessarily

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embarrassing, but I was
definitely like, prepared to be

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like, oh God, what have I done
here?

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Bet your guard went up though.
Absolutely.

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Soon as you see a parent out and
about, there is something even

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when you think you're chilled.
Yeah, you're not really, are

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you?
Because you're thinking I'm

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being judged now because the
parent must got to remain

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professional all all time.
So those Jager moms were

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suddenly going away where they
always the DJ buying the DJ

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parent.
Yeah, my Jager moms Exactly.

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Yeah, no, it was, but it was
like a really positive

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experience.
But like, but like, objectively,

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like I'm talking about going out
in German out to pubs and stuff.

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I do think there's a time and a
place where I don't mind bumping

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into parents and stuff.
Like if it's in Tesco, like, hi,

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yeah, you're right.
And kids are shocked that a

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teacher has a life outside of
the school.

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Like, what are you doing?
I'm buying food actually.

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So what I need to do?
But even like going out and

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stuff, I've been to pubs before
and I've seen parents and it's

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not an issue.
It doesn't have to be an issue

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and it shouldn't be an issue.
No, parent don't care.

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I don't care.
I'm having a couple of beers,

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they're having a couple of
drinks with their family or

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whatever.
Or even on a night out it's not

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an issue.
Get your kid to do that

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homework.
Yelling across the.

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That's when it gets becomes a
problem.

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It's me.
I'm just slapping down reports

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in front of them whilst they're
trying to enjoy them, enjoy

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themselves.
But yeah, I think here's the

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time and the place I'm, I'm more
than happy to speak to anyone.

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I'm usually quite excited to see
the family of children that I've

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been teaching because I think it
goes along with trying to have

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those bonds build up those
relationships as you go.

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But there's always gonna be
tricky ones.

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Yeah.
Who you might cross the road if

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you see him, of course.
Just don't wanna bump into.

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But we can't pretend like we
haven't built up a really

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meaningful relationship with our
kid over an entire year.

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Like when you don't see if you
bump into them years later.

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I'm not gonna pretend like I
didn't just spend honestly like

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hundreds of hours of your kid
and developing their education

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at that time.
I am.

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I'm gonna pretend.
I'm gonna put my head down

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depending on them going down the
aisle.

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I don't care if it's the
lingerie aisle, I'm going down

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there to avoid seeing.
I'm like, oh, I'm really

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interested in this, this size DD
bra.

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Suddenly I'm just like, you're
looking to see if they've gone.

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Just pref to pretend to be
interested in what I'm going to.

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That was just these sanitary
towels.

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Which ones the best one?
What's?

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The ones I was thinking about
again, what was it?

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I have to look at my phone and
look in the other direction.

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Now I was gonna go down this
aisle regardless to who I saw

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just now I'm trying to avoid.
They're now looking at you

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thinking, what is he doing?
We'll wait here for him to come

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back and talk to him.
But I remember early on in my

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career, some people said to me,
like, teachers were like, oh,

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don't get a job in your local
town.

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And I didn't really understand
what they meant.

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But over the years I realised it
was specifically this sort of

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stuff they were talking about.
They were like, they were

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actively saying like, yeah, just
work in one town, get a job in

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the next town so that you can at
least have some privacy in your

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local pubs or whatever when you
go out.

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But like, same as you, I don't
really care.

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A lot of people care a lot.
It'd be interesting to hear from

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you guys.
Like what do you care if you

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bump into parents, ex parents,
whatever if?

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Only there was a way for they
could join a WhatsApp community

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and.
And that's no shame.

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We should think about doing
that.

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Oh, should.
Have started that bloody

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WhatsApp community down in the
description below we did

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absolutely it would be down
there right.

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Go on another question.
Yeah, so.

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Would you?
Would you rather staple 200

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display borders or or have a
child sneeze directly into your

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open mouth?
What a question.

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Right, I'm gonna is the child
I'll how?

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We can.
Does the child have a cold child

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of COVID?
I think we should say yes.

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OK, in that case cold, in that
case, the sneeze in the mouth.

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Still, taking it didn't matter.
It was irrelevant.

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It didn't matter.
No.

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Like realistically I'd be
stapling the borders.

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However, I think what this is
leading to is how much.

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All right, Honestly, yeah.
I didn't go to university and

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train to be a teacher and no
pedagogies and teaching maths

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and being a maths specialist and
loving all of these different

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subjects to then be told that
I've got to staple the board

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repeatedly 200 times in a row.
I just don't want to do it.

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And I don't think that some
people might hear that and be

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like, oh, below you.
Is it stabling a board?

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No, it's not below me.
I just don't want to do it.

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Yes, it is.
How nicely do I have to say

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this?
No, I'm joking, I'm joking.

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It's not, it's not I just.
It's just not the.

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Kind of it's.
Not the primary goal of my job.

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No, it's not because the point
being again, to make it's really

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clear to people, I'll I'll clean
my clean my classroom, I'll

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Hoover the floor.
Do you know it's nothing's

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blown.
I don't have the attitude where

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I'm like, well, I've got this
job, so I'm not possibly going

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to do it.
If I had more time in the day,

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I'd do anything.
It's about priorities, right?

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Exactly that.
And like when it eats into your

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personal time and stuff, I'm
just like, OK, this isn't

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actually affecting my job
whatsoever.

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Yeah, and it's not affecting
someone else's job whatsoever

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because if I do get someone else
or ask them to do a display

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board for me, it's instead of a
job.

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Whereas if I've got to do it,
I've still got to do everything

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else on top.
It's just on top.

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So I'm saying no.
Whereas someone sneezing my

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mouth 2 seconds.
Yeah, everything done with I.

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Think you can?
Yeah, you can live with it,

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can't you?
It'd be gross for 10 seconds,

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but that that staple gun is
staying in my drawer so.

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Can we talk about children's
like awareness of this kind of

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thing in general, please,
especially having gone through a

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global pandemic?
Yeah.

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You would be in a room and we
all had this illusion of like,

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well, we got to stay 2 metres
apart everyone.

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No, we'll stay 2 metres apart.
There's we will right now, OK.

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It did not happen with children
who are of course who can't wait

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like they did, of course, with
every single waking minute.

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They did not manage to stay 2
metres apart ever.

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But also when they just cough
like kids just do their work

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and.
Actually, it's so normal.

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Like with their mouth open and
carry on writing.

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Yeah, we need.
To learn this, don't we need to

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learn how to not do that,
please?

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It's so funny.
Oh, they're so gross, aren't

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they?
Yeah, they're so gross and

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lovable.
Yeah, yeah, I love them to be.

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So it's the best job of the
world for, for like working with

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young children and helping them.
Yeah.

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But I, I, OK, jokes aside, now
don't sneeze in my upper mouth

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because that is something
actually you would do.

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And when you get them to come up
to you, sorry, it's like you

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want to check their work and
they come up to you and they

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stand like 2 millimetres away
from you and they're like, got a

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cold coming and I step back,
please.

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No wonder we're just constantly,
constantly ill from from being

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in school.
Those first few weeks, I mean,

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anyone who's been in school for
like the month of September,

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they've been ill at some point.
Yeah, Constant course.

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Of course it's going to happen.
Hilarious, right?

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Let's let's have another one.
I love this question, and I

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especially loved it because I
want to hit your answer.

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What is on your playlist for
your commute on the way to

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school in the morning?
That's hilarious.

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What's part of my players?
Oh, it's like I'm embarrassed to

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say, I don't know.
I don't know what people expect.

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I feel like there's an
expectation when you look at

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someone.
I don't know what it is, but I

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feel like you can sort of go
like I reckon they listen to a

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country, I reckon they listen to
this.

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Maybe, but I have you seen that?
Have you seen those me get up on

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Spotify?
Have you seen those memes of

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like, you know, teachers on the
car on the way to work?

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And they've got some, like, some
like, you know, rap hip hop, and

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there's some swearing and
they're talking about going out.

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On a night, yeah, absolutely
yeah.

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And then it cuts in and saying
teachers at 9:05 and then

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they're going cauliflowers.
Floppy cabbage is green.

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It's just like boom, boom, yeah,
putting on some nice music in

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the background in the classroom.
It's just so relaxing.

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You're not putting skeptor on
whilst you're doing, yeah.

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Pretending.
Pretending when you're in year 6

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when you have a year six class.
Pretending not to know what the

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songs are they're trying to put
on.

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If they suggest a song and you
know it's a bit rude, but guys

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don't listen, we shouldn't be
listening to these things.

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They're not appropriate.
You know you've got it in your

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playlist on the way.
Home cuts to you on the way

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home.
Absolutely.

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You wrap it along to.
Someone funny enough, I went to

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a pub quiz last week saying that
out loud because I actually did

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something.
I'm just proving that I've done

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something, you know?
Outside without me.

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Yeah, without you.
I didn't say you should go.

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And someone said it, funny
enough, they were looking at my

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Spotify.
It's very linked to this.

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And they literally said if if
someone wants to take your phone

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and just look at it and try and
guess who you were, they would

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definitely think you're a woman.
Yeah.

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Oh.
And I was like, oh, all right.

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And I was like, offended you.
Yeah.

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I was like challenged in that.
Is that is that true?

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Is it?
Breaking down stereotypes.

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What I listening to and and here
we go.

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So I've got a few things here in
my library.

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So top is this.
We've gone into top art.

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I've.
Just gone into yeah my library

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and then sorted by artists and
it does it by recent.

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OK, call Gwani.
Give us, give us 5.

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Give us.
Paramore is number one.

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That's like Paramore live and
die.

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Like come on.
Love them Bieber doobie.

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What?
Bieber Doobie is a female.

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Artist.
Yeah, that's really.

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Good song, Dochi.
Another female artist.

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Doja Cat.
She's got a new album.

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I've been jamming Doja Cat a lot
recently.

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Brilliant.
So funny.

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Pink Panthers.
My name is Pink and it's really

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nice.
My name is Pink, and it's really

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nice to meet you.
Yeah, she's got some good music.

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So that's all.
That's all recent, but then it

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just changes and I've got A$AP
Rocky.

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What rap?
Jaden Smith, Wolfpack.

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Jaden Smith as in.
As in Wilson Smith, Yeah, he's

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got a good album.
He's got some good stuff.

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Yeah.
Eminem obviously is always up

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there.
Right.

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I said 5.
Keep going, Burn a boy a

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million.
It's just what I mean.

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It's just, it's nonsense.
Yeah.

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It just depends what mood I'm
in.

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And then I just, I have like 3
weeks of listening to like a

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couple of artists within the
exact same category.

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Yeah, they're not.
They're not.

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Like, to me, listen to that.
First, I've not heard of half of

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them.
Yeah.

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And secondly, like they don't
seem to go together.

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They don't.
They really don't.

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Yeah.
What about you, Actually, can

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you actually answer the question
properly?

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Because I kind of went off.
I know I will because it's like,

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what's on your playlist?
So I've got a mixture of things.

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I often listen to podcasts on my
playlist, so I might be like,

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that's the boring answer.
And they're usually quite

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political.
Most of our fans are you our

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own?
Listen.

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Listening to my own podcast, but
in terms of music, I'll give

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you, I think this is actually
quite a good representation of

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the kind of stuff I like.
So I guess can I guess one of

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them, just one of them.
You're going to say The Killers?

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The Killers, Yeah, The Killers
has got to be.

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It's actually not in my top most
recent.

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I do love the Killers, it's my
all time probably favourite, but

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obviously recents have been
fleshing out, but I've been

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going into different branching.
Yeah, branching, not fleshing.

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I.
Mean fleshing out my music just.

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Tabling out the music, just say
a word and hope it makes sense.

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That's what most podcasters do.
So I've got Daft Punk, Daft

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Punk, Fleetwood Mac, The
Beatles.

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Yeah.
The Police, Aerosmith.

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Sorry.
Anything from literally the last

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20 years.
Right.

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Aerosmith, Queen, The Weekend.
There you go.

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OK, More recently, Jamie T Yeah.
Cortinas, The Enemy, Keen, Razor

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Light, Stereophonics, Coldplay,
Oasis, Red Hot Chilli Peppers.

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Right.
Maroon 5.

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This, I would say, is all like
one category.

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Yeah, yeah, it's very much like,
I feel like people like that

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category music.
The Arctic Monkeys.

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Calvin Harris.
Where's Where's Doji Cat?

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Justin Bieber?
I forgot to mention he's got a

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new album out.
I thought that was really good.

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I've been listening to that a
lot so.

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Interesting that you've you've
kept up with music so much

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because I absolutely have frozen
my music taste from when I was I

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can tell.
Yes, I I honestly, if you if you

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like read the artists of the
like top 10 songs right now.

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I honestly don't think I'd know
more than.

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That I really, really like
listening to the new albums.

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I do it all the time.
Sometimes I think they're

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rubbish but obviously like if
there's a good one I will just

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repeat it for a few weeks and
then bam next one.

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Big one in the teacher world
right now.

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Yeah.
I want to get your take on this

454
00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,960
because my take might be quite
controversial.

455
00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,280
Taylor Swift, so many teachers.
Absolutely.

456
00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,040
I'm not a Swifty.
I think it's not good.

457
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,119
I don't really like and I
genuinely, as you can tell, like

458
00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,400
I'm quite open to a lot of music
and sometimes people be like,

459
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,200
oh, that's girly.
And I'm like, it's just music.

460
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,119
I say you hate it.
It's just even.

461
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,760
Even you saying another female
artist cringe me out massively

462
00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:17,599
then yeah.
Yeah, who?

463
00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,160
Cares, I know, but people do.
The only reason I have that

464
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,720
insecurity is because people
seem to do.

465
00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,920
Yeah, care.
They're like, oh, that's girly.

466
00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,920
The fact that someone said, oh,
if anyone picks up your phone,

467
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,560
they think it's yeah, yeah.
But yeah, maybe wrong,

468
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,760
incorrectly.
But Taylor Swift, I'm not really

469
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,360
a fan.
I've listened to lots of her

470
00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:32,520
songs.
I haven't listened to a new

471
00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,200
album.
Maybe I should give it a go, but

472
00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,120
I'm not like massively into
Taylor Swift.

473
00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,760
The main thing I've seen from
the the Taylor Swift album

474
00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,560
online is people basically
showing how it's just ripped off

475
00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,800
multiple other songs.
Really.

476
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,520
Exist?
Yeah.

477
00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,200
We're going to be offending us.
No.

478
00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,360
But if you're offended by that,
then just look it up and like,

479
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,200
it's not me making this up.
Not me.

480
00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,440
Just like slandering.
I like that's just have an act.

481
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,240
And yeah, it's she's got like a
huge, huge following.

482
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,600
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not someone to say, well,

483
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,200
they're rubbish.
Why do you like them so much?

484
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,920
I'm a Manchester United
supporter, OK?

485
00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,640
I know how crap they are.
I still watch them every week.

486
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,240
I still like it when I win.
I get it.

487
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,880
Like I don't think when when
specific and we're going to

488
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,520
stereotypes again, it's usually
bloke.

489
00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,000
So we're like Taylor Swift.
Isn't that crap?

490
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,160
So you spend your weekend
watching bloody League 2

491
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,480
football like it's like, get
over, come on.

492
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,640
I tell you why our generation
particularly has this thing.

493
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,840
Like, from what I can remember
growing up in school was Justin

494
00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,960
Bieber era, wasn't it?
And Justin Bieber was, like, the

495
00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,080
most divisive, Like, listen to
it.

496
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,720
Yeah.
It was very much cringy.

497
00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,160
Boys don't listen to Justin
Bieber.

498
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,160
I remember growing up feeling
like that was like, oh, that's a

499
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,120
thing.
Like, if you're a boy, you don't

500
00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:36,040
listen to Justin Bieber.
Apparently that's girl music.

501
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,440
And it's like, well, it's not
that, is it?

502
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,600
Yeah.
How it works completely right.

503
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,880
Very interesting.
Let's go on to Do you want a

504
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,840
toxic one?
Do I want a Are you?

505
00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,000
You're smiling when you ask
that.

506
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,320
Do I want a toxic one?
Is the school system built on

507
00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,040
the back of hard work of
teachers for free?

508
00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:51,840
Yes, I do want a toxic one.
Please, Dylan.

509
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,640
I don't think, let's say it's
going to catch on as a bear in

510
00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,200
the woods.
Yeah.

511
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,520
Yeah, that's quite catchy.
Quick, I don't think you

512
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,400
education system built on the
exploitation of free labour away

513
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,240
from the teachers.
I think it will catch on if we

514
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,600
make it catch on Transcenders.
Should we?

515
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,080
Yeah.
Yeah, the merch shop we've been

516
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,240
promising for 2 1/2.
Years.

517
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,640
It'll come, don't you worry
about that.

518
00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:15,040
Yes, I do.
Don't you worry about.

519
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,080
That I would like a talk to you.
One please, I just think of the

520
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:22,080
Kamala Harris meme.
Do not come, do not come, do

521
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,080
not.
It's going to come, it's going

522
00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,800
to come.
The butt shop will come.

523
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,960
Secondary school teacher here.
The head teacher released the

524
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,200
duty rotor last week.
Most staff have been put on or

525
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:38,080
wait for it, 8 duties per week
at break and lunch.

526
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,600
By the way, we only have one
break and one lunch every day,

527
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,600
so that's eight out of 10/8 out
of 10 duties they're on.

528
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,960
When I queried this, this is the
insane bit.

529
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,680
The head said he could do this
as I have a TLRI should quote

530
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,840
know my place by not question,
by not questioning management

531
00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:02,160
and to quote stop throwing the
STPCD around.

532
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,640
He also refused to release the
directed time calendar.

533
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,120
Most staff are already feeling
very burnt out as we are in

534
00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,800
front of the children most of
the day, sometimes with a double

535
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,840
break and lunch duty and
detention duty after school.

536
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,560
The headteach has said SLT will
be timing how long it takes

537
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,600
staff to reach their duty
points.

538
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,480
Even though we need to use the
toilet at some point and will be

539
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,120
calling us in individually for
meetings if it takes too long.

540
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,240
Where do I stand on directed
duties as this seems too

541
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,240
excessive and how can I
challenge this?

542
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,960
That's a stink bomb in the in
the head teachers office.

543
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,800
Isn't when he's not looking it
isn't it?

544
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,000
If I think back to secondary
school, those stink bombs are a

545
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,520
regular.
That's I'm sorry.

546
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,400
As a teacher, I'm stooping.
I'm down there with the year

547
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,760
sevens.
That's a stink bombing.

548
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,920
I'm sorry mate, but if you're
being like that, you're going to

549
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,680
pay the price.
There's so much to unpack, isn't

550
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:51,640
there?
Don't throw.

551
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,040
The bit that I was just has just
stuck in my head was that not

552
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,400
throwing around the SPT?
What do you mean not throwing

553
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,480
around the STPCD?
Sorry.

554
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,840
Can you not throw around
employment law?

555
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,120
You're not rounding.
Thank you very much.

556
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,240
What I need to say, you can't
throw that.

557
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,240
You can't throw the you can't
throw your working rights

558
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,280
around, mate.
Yeah.

559
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,880
Who do you think you are?
I had the same.

560
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,120
I had a comment.
I did.

561
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,520
I did a reel saying teachers
should know their rights.

562
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,040
Remember we talked about what
would we kind of maybe change

563
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:16,920
about teach training.
Yeah.

564
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,920
And one of them was like
teachers having a really good

565
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,400
understanding of their work.
It might make sense.

566
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,520
Someone commented on that going
classic teacher so up themselves

567
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,080
thinking they need to know their
rights and throwing this around

568
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,920
all the time.
Just get your work done.

569
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,560
Just like so entitled.
That's what he said.

570
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,160
Oh, my.
So entitled it.

571
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,400
Apparently there are people out
there who think knowing your

572
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,760
working rights is entitlement
and the thing that that was just

573
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,760
a random or online.
I could just block him.

574
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,200
I never see him again when your
boss at work is saying things.

575
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,040
Like know your place.
Don't throw that around.

576
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,400
Please don't.
Don't talk about that.

577
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,800
It was the IT was the three
things here.

578
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,120
Know your place by by never
querying management.

579
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,280
What?
The fact that because you've got

580
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,840
a TLR it means you do 8 duties
out of 10 a week?

581
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,760
That's nonsense.
Yeah, completely.

582
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,360
That's completely made-up.
Made-up so that you can just be

583
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,200
like, no, it's nothing to do if
having a TLR.

584
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Genuinely, there's been points

585
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,440
before.
I know previously in schools

586
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,240
I've worked in where maybe we're
short for a, for a day, like

587
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280
someone's off and we can't get
cover or whatever, and we need

588
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,600
an extra body on the playground.
And the head teacher has gone

589
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,920
through like a hierarchy of, OK,
leadership.

590
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,720
They're the first people to be
asked to cover it.

591
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,920
And if they can break, if they
can't, right, OK, let's go down

592
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,840
now to middle leadership, people
with TLRS, etcetera.

593
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,480
And there's extra
responsibilities, let's ask

594
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,800
them.
And then it goes down to this.

595
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,560
But even then, I get that.
I really do get that.

596
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,000
But even then, as someone who at
points of my career didn't have

597
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,680
ATLR with my colleague who did
have ATLR, usually that's

598
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,000
because they're leaving a year
group or doing an extra bit of

599
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,120
work already.
So when it comes to we need a

600
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,960
body on the playground, I'm like
audit.

601
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK.

602
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,200
I'll go out for a day.
I'll go out and do 20 minutes.

603
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,840
You sorry you're prepping for
the meeting.

604
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,280
We've got after school today.
Yeah, the hierarchy doesn't even

605
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,960
make sense really, does it?
I get it.

606
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,600
I can understand.
It's like, oh, you're paid more

607
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,760
so.
But yeah, like you said in the

608
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,080
actual situation though, yeah,
it makes sense to someone who's

609
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,680
not as busy.
Yeah, but.

610
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,360
What do you think about the
query management bit like you

611
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,720
should know your place and don't
query management.

612
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,240
I think that is the sign of an
unbelievably narcissistic, toxic

613
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,640
place to be working in.
And when someone says don't

614
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,480
query something, the first thing
you should do then is query it.

615
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,320
It's like, OK, as soon as that's
the phrase, you should be

616
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,120
querying more than you were ever
going to query before.

617
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,000
Become the query.
Quit king or queen.

618
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,840
Seriously.
Like get a hat that says I query

619
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,800
stuff and walk around your
parade it around your school.

620
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,640
What they going to do?
Oh, they're going to Chuck

621
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,320
employment law at you.
Remind them that that doesn't

622
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,960
matter, You can't have that hand
here.

623
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,560
Oh, didn't think we're using the
SPTZ.

624
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,600
Whatever it's called, don't.
Throw that around.

625
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,880
Don't throw that around unless
it benefits me as your boss.

626
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,800
Don't throw that around, please.
Yeah, yeah, It's disciplining

627
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,720
you.
It's insane.

628
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,840
And the timing thing, what was
it timing?

629
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,800
How long it takes our staff to
reach their duty points?

630
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,160
Like, I understand as a
principle, right?

631
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,440
Someone just said stand alone
out of this toxic story.

632
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,000
We, we, we obviously think it's
better to have staff where they

633
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,640
should be, but when they should
be there.

634
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,400
I'm like, yeah, of course that
makes sense.

635
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,440
But within this whole thing, I'm
just like, it just they it

636
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,920
screams toxicity.
This school is clearly not a

637
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,840
nice place to work.
I would be challenging it.

638
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,120
I wouldn't be.
Just because someone in a higher

639
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,320
position of power than you were
saying don't do it doesn't mean

640
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,520
that right When they say don't
look at the contract or question

641
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560
me.
You shouldn't then be like, oh,

642
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,080
maybe you shouldn't then be
doubting yourself.

643
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,320
But yeah, good little bit like
maybe I.

644
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,120
Shouldn't they didn't say not
to?

645
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,600
They said yeah, they said not to
because they're literally

646
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,840
breaking the rules.
I don't want you to do it,

647
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,440
right.
Definitely do it.

648
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,040
And if you don't, and if you
don't like it, rally up some

649
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,920
staff, right?
Take it to the governors.

650
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,600
And if you nothing happened.
Just leave.

651
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,520
I know it's easier said than
done, but you know, start at

652
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,040
least start looking for another
job.

653
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Oh, that was going to be my
point was it's like with

654
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,160
something as fundamentally
insane as this, just get like

655
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,720
power numbers, get every other
teacher in the whole place to

656
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,200
sign off an e-mail or a letter
or something and and say we're

657
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,040
not doing this.
By the way, what I would say to

658
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,280
this person as well is when,
when when the leader has the

659
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,880
attitude of don't throw around
the legal document we have to

660
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,440
abide by.
My next point kind of is kind of

661
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,800
redundant because my next point
is look up employment law.

662
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320
Like there is literally
employment law where you can't

663
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,880
work for more than six hours in
a row without having a 20 minute

664
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,360
break.
That's the law.

665
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,080
Like that's you can't say don't
ban that around, please.

666
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,400
It's like, OK, if I punched you
in the face right now and you're

667
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,680
like, that's illegal.
Don't band around the law.

668
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,200
Of course you can't just say
that and I'm in a position of

669
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,720
power for you.
So you have to just shut up.

670
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,320
We're living in that world right
now where people can just lie

671
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,280
and say, no, that's not true.
No, we have to listen to that.

672
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,000
No, we do.
And we have to call you out for

673
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,920
it.
And we have to not let you get

674
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,280
away with it just because you're
in that position of.

675
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,480
Power.
Weird, Sir, because I can't find

676
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,960
anywhere in the employment law
or lack of that I can't put a

677
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,320
stink bum in your sandwich.
We're not looking weird, isn't

678
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,200
it?
How that keeps happening every

679
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:37,840
single day?
That's.

680
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,960
How about the SDPC?
Needs to be.

681
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,200
I want to do a stink bum in your
sandwich in your classroom.

682
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,640
Yeah.
This is like ultimate toxicity

683
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,920
where I'm like, you know, when
we talk about toxic things and

684
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,080
maybe we go over the top
sometimes it's a small thing and

685
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,520
it's one part of the school.
This is like, to me, I read way

686
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,560
more into this than even this is
crazy what I'm reading.

687
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,800
But I understand that as a place
of work, this must be

688
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,720
horrendous.
Yeah, if your staff are burning

689
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,440
out, which they clearly are here
doing things like this on top of

690
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,680
all the extra stuff you're
already doing, It's not.

691
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,240
It's not.
Are we got to be really harsh?

692
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,280
They're not kids.
I will sit here and defend

693
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920
children to a tee.
When when when schools become

694
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,080
like prison camps and you have
to do this children all the time

695
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,720
and it's non negotiable when
you've got to that.

696
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,080
I say for the kids, I'm like,
that's awful.

697
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,480
What do you think I'm going to
say for your employees who are

698
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,680
doing a job like obviously
you've got to do this.

699
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,200
It's.
Different.

700
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,080
I often wonder like what the
motivation is for those leaders

701
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,200
like the in this situation.
I'd love to get into their brain

702
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,320
and just find out what's making
them do it.

703
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,000
Like do they think it's actually
going to improve outcomes for

704
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,320
children?
Or do they just not care about

705
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,600
staff, but they still think it's
going to improve outcomes for

706
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,920
children?
Or is it like a situation where

707
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600
they think they've come into a
school, for example, I'm trying

708
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,080
to think of like the opposite
end of the spectrum.

709
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,120
Maybe they come to the school
and they thought, Oh my God, the

710
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,440
staff here, they're so
complacent.

711
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,520
They're not doing their jobs
properly.

712
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Like even the basics of their
job, they're just not doing it

713
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,920
properly.
I can't fire them.

714
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,400
I can't do anything.
I'm just going to whip them into

715
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,720
shape.
And maybe they genuinely have in

716
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,720
their head, I'm whipping them
into shape and I don't like it.

717
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,400
They can leave.
And maybe that's what they're

718
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,400
actually thinking at the time.
Like, I just want to know what

719
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,920
is in the brains of these people
because I'd love to have that

720
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,760
debate and be like, OK, is what
you're doing meeting the goal of

721
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080
whatever your goal is?
Is the are these actions,

722
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,840
though, actually, like the right
thing to do?

723
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,400
Because I don't think those
actions are the right thing to

724
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,840
do in any situation.
Well, yeah, even if even if

725
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,160
these actions mean you're
meeting the goal, you're still

726
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:28,920
wrong.
Yeah.

727
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
It's like, OK, my goal is to
build a pyramid.

728
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,320
I'm going to enslave all these
thousands of people to do it for

729
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,160
me.
It doesn't become OK to do it

730
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,360
that way because it's met the
goal.

731
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,480
But it's it's it's it's so it's
the wrong way to look at it.

732
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,080
We're like, Oh, well, it's
meeting the goal of whipping the

733
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,200
staff into shape without
getting.

734
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,320
We need legally to have this
amount of this amount of adults

735
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,600
on the playground with the
children to look after them.

736
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,960
We need legally to have that.
That's that's a that's a

737
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,960
ambitious, like not even
ambitious.

738
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,280
It's a necessary thing.
So I'm going to come in and say,

739
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,360
no, you have to get there in
this time.

740
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:57,840
I'm going to start timing you
because it's law.

741
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,560
Yeah.
OK, cool.

742
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,200
That might be the right goal and
it might be the right way of

743
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,280
thinking.
I need to get there.

744
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,280
But it doesn't automatically
mean that just because

745
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000
something's going to that goal,
it's a good thing.

746
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,120
Yeah, for the best approach.
Yeah, exactly that.

747
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,800
And I just think I don't think
there are many points where

748
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,920
leadership like this don't
genuinely think that they're

749
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,120
doing the best thing either for
their school or for the law or

750
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,320
for the children.
I don't I, I really don't think,

751
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,400
I think there are probably some
examples where someone might be

752
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,440
able to point me to someone just
being a narcissist who's just an

753
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,840
idiot, actually horrible.
But I do think most of the time,

754
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,040
even this, this seems baked
into, well, we need this many

755
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,840
literal people doing duty.
So we're going to have to have

756
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,680
this rule.
We have to have them there at

757
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,960
this time.
Otherwise the children are

758
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,640
unsupervised and that's
literally illegal.

759
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,880
We can't have the children
unsupervised.

760
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,880
So I'm going to make this a
rule.

761
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,960
But the way you're doing this is
just insane.

762
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,320
And refusing to release a
directed time calendar.

763
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,320
I'm pretty sure you probably
can.

764
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,800
You probably can refuse to do it
right.

765
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,360
I don't know the insurance and
outs of the exact law be worth

766
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,120
looking up to see.
Do you have to provide a direct

767
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,320
time calendar?
But you should be.

768
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,240
And what you do have to do is go
by the working hours.

769
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,120
So whether you release or not, 9
times out of 10, the reason

770
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,640
people don't release a directed
time calendar is they because

771
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,560
they know what they're directing
you to do is above and beyond

772
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,840
that and would not be legal.
So that person refusing is

773
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,680
usually an indicator of you're
doing too much.

774
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Yeah, they're doing it wrong.
Very rarely have I seen someone

775
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,440
reluctant to do a directed time
calendar.

776
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Who's under it.
If anything, those people who

777
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,920
are under directed time, 1265
hours a year are the first ones

778
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,600
to be like, and here's why.
Here you go.

779
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,880
Here it is, it's below it.
I want you to see this.

780
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,040
So I'd be immediately, that's a
red flag for me not releasing

781
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,680
the directed time count.
It's like, OK, you're trying to

782
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,520
exploit me.
And then when I graze it, you're

783
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,360
saying don't band about these,
these documents, Every single

784
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,680
part of this is me saying they
are in the wrong.

785
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
And it does doesn't matter.
It isn't an argument to say,

786
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,360
well, we need this many bodies
at lunchtime.

787
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Cool.
Nothing to do with me.

788
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,960
And if you're going to be that
petty and horrible and treat us

789
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,000
like this, I'm going to turn
around and be that responsive

790
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,640
and be like, no, not doing it.
So I'd get power in numbers,

791
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,240
refuse to do it, push it.
And when it's the law, don't

792
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,200
back down just because they're
in a position of power.

793
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640
I needed you to get to that
staff meeting by 4:00 and break

794
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,320
the speed limit to get there.
But I needed you to be there.

795
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,680
That was the goal.
So I'm not going to break the

796
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,080
law just because you think I
should be there.

797
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Just because you're telling me I
have to be there at 4, I'm not

798
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,560
going to break the law to do it.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

799
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,280
Let's do another one, right?
What's your best class?

800
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Attention strategy?
Clap and repeat, countdown, call

801
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,840
and response, hand up and wait,
all that sort of good stuff.

802
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840
I with this, it's really
interesting.

803
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,360
I my take on this has changed
loads across my career.

804
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,960
So someone asked last week
what's changed a lot?

805
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,600
And I was like, I reckon this is
the thing where I've had the

806
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,760
most like backwards and forwards
and changed a lot.

807
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Because I think there's, there's
a few ways of looking at it.

808
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Some schools might want to be
really consistent.

809
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,880
Every single adult in the room
does the same call and response,

810
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,840
and I can really understand why
they might want that.

811
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Right across the school.
Across the school.

812
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,560
So then if anyone's covering or
you get your child in Year 5 and

813
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200
they've had five years in the
school already and they know

814
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,760
that when a teacher does this,
you pay attention because my

815
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,280
previous teacher did it.
I'm a previous teacher.

816
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,200
I get all that completely.
And they might say, so do this

817
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,640
specific thing.
And in that moment you might

818
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,320
think, well, I like this other
way of doing stuff, but this

819
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,800
isn't a bad way of getting
response.

820
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,280
Fine, I'll do it that way.
There's the other side of me as

821
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,520
well though, and this is where
I've moved more towards.

822
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,040
At the start of my career, I
really was behind that and I was

823
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,600
like Swally a pride.
Just do what you've got to do.

824
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,520
We're all going to do the same
thing.

825
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,240
I still think if you work in a
school like that, it's one of

826
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,760
those things where just do it,
you know, why not just do it,

827
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,280
Just do it that way.
That's fine.

828
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,440
It's just a call and response.
However, myself in my career

829
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,120
teaching with my children in my
class, it's such a short amount

830
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,080
of time that you can teach a
call and response that I don't

831
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,440
think it's the end of the world
if you don't do the same one as

832
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,680
everyone.
Yeah, I agree.

833
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,480
I think it's so low stakes.
Right and maybe I'll throw this

834
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,640
back over to you then, because
my stance is as a teacher, I

835
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,920
have genuinely got about 8
different ways of getting the

836
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680
classes attention that I might
use at any one point depending

837
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,920
on what's happening.
So I might do a non verbal one,

838
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,560
I might do a very verbal one.
I might do 1 without my voice

839
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,120
but with like a bell or
something there's and might do a

840
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,760
clap.
So there's there's lots of ways

841
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,280
of doing it.
And as the teacher, I'll think

842
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,760
of two things #1 what works best
with the children?

843
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,040
It might be some years
consistency works best.

844
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,840
It might be some years changing
up works best.

845
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,520
So yeah.
So what works best with the

846
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,120
children and #2 what the
situation?

847
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,440
Yeah, that's a big one.
Is, is kind of lending it too.

848
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,040
So we're doing quite independent
writing.

849
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,840
Yeah.
I don't have to shout yelling

850
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,000
out some.
Yeah, if they're if they're

851
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,880
doing group work, I might do a
clap to get.

852
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,680
You you're not going to sit
there silently whilst they're

853
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,720
engaged in some group work and
no one's looking at you and

854
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,120
you're doing a silent countdown
or something.

855
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Doesn't make sense.
Yeah, exactly.

856
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Yeah, it's interesting that
you've got loads, because I feel

857
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,400
like I made it to the teacher
end game.

858
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,840
The teacher end game is just
doing this.

859
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080
That's it.
It's as simple as that.

860
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,640
And then you stop.
You're really, really loud,

861
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,720
obnoxious, and then you stop and
then you wait and everyone goes

862
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,920
look to you and you sort of look
at them as it to say I'm

863
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,400
waiting.
You don't bother doing anything

864
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,000
else.
You know, I'm only joking, but

865
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,120
you do do that a lot.
I find that's the thing, right?

866
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,480
Or the classic like you
purposely go to start talking,

867
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,840
knowing that absolutely being
really loud and you go right so

868
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,360
now and you stop.
You stop in the middle of a word

869
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,920
because you're so shocked that
they were talking over you when

870
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,840
you started your sentence, even
though you literally did it on

871
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,640
purpose.
You got those little strategies.

872
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,960
But in terms of like, actual,
like, I was reading that

873
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,960
thinking, do you know what I
used to do?

874
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,640
Loads.
Yeah.

875
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,520
I think they definitely whittled
down over the years.

876
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,760
I don't think that's for a good
reason, by the way.

877
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,600
I think I just stopped doing
them like genuinely with.

878
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,120
Your care for the job.
Yeah, my care for the job.

879
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,560
So did my my limit my number of
callbacks went, but I used to do

880
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,480
a lot of like of the callbacks
where you say something and they

881
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,160
sounds like.
Okay, let's play game.

882
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,680
Let's play.
Yeah, I'm gonna start them.

883
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,000
I wanna see if you know what
kind of okay, ready to here if

884
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
you're ready.
Macaroni cheese.

885
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Everybody freeze.
Hocus pocus.

886
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Everybody focus. 123.
Eyes on me, there's loads.

887
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,920
My favourite 1 flat tyre.
I was going to say I do.

888
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,720
My kids love that one.
Yeah, but I don't, I didn't, I

889
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,640
found the last couple of years I
didn't really do that, but I did

890
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,720
do a lot like this is staple
like every single day of my

891
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,440
teaching career, literally just
A-543-T1 countdown, teach,

892
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,120
sleep, repeat, everybody quit.
Something like that.

893
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Sleep, repeat, everybody quit
and everyone walks out.

894
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Everyone walks out.
And then we go, we're going to

895
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,159
do now education, we're going to
do now government, we're all

896
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,239
gone.
What we're going to do now?

897
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,199
It's been the right one.
Is it not?

898
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,600
No.
Not at all.

899
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,840
Oh, that's so funny, but.
Yeah, the countdown, genuinely

900
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,840
it just works.
It's just good.

901
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Like like you said sometimes I
will make it non verbal though,

902
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,480
like if the situation is right
and I can just put my hand up

903
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,719
and just just show my fingers.
When you say countdown, you mean

904
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,800
like a 5 to one thing where by
the time I get to 1.

905
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,000
So the point of a countdown, I
really like the countdown

906
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,760
because the point is I'm not
going to interrupt you because

907
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,199
there's nothing more annoying
when you're middle of a

908
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:57,480
sentence.
But I'm and letting you know

909
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,080
that's 5 seconds from now you
need to be silent.

910
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Yeah, I think it's very fair.
Some children immediately are

911
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,080
with you, and some children are
like, Oh yeah, and also, if we

912
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,280
do that, maybe it'll work.
And then they stop.

913
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Yeah, exactly that.
So I always say to the kids

914
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,440
exactly what you just said.
By the time I'm on one, I do

915
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,360
expect you to be quiet.
But those seconds before, if you

916
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,800
need to finish your
conversation, just finish your

917
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,200
sentence.
It's absolutely fine.

918
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,280
I was like, and then I do that
because I think it's rude if I

919
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,480
just turn around and you said
stop.

920
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Yeah.
And I and I expect it's rude,

921
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,400
isn't?
It that'd be really rude if you

922
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,400
did that exactly.
The other thing I do all the

923
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:23,960
time?
Kids.

924
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,200
I'm a hypocrite by the way, is.
Hypocrite.

925
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,800
Mr Stevens, that's the call
back.

926
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,720
Hypocrite.
Oh God.

927
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Oh yeah.
So like I'm trying to have a

928
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,000
look back around to something a
bit more serious here.

929
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,440
I see a lot online.
I really, I can't remember the

930
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,680
name of the account, which
really annoys me.

931
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,760
And I will shout them out
because they did some really

932
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,880
good stuff about classroom
management.

933
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,800
I can't remember her name.
It's frustrating me.

934
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,920
But I saw a comment on one of
the reels and it was like, I

935
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,920
love what you're doing.
Because basically this one will

936
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,800
go in, be at the front of the
classroom as the teacher's doing

937
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,040
something.
The teacher might struggle to

938
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,680
get the attention.
And then she will walk in very

939
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,560
supportively.
And they know they're there to

940
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200
be like, OK, and, and to try and
show what maybe you could have

941
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,640
done instead to get the
attention to the class.

942
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,680
And some really good techniques
in there.

943
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,720
Loads of really good techniques,
but the question someone put

944
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,400
underneath, which I thought was
really interesting, started off

945
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,280
saying, I love what you're
doing.

946
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,480
I think what you're doing is
really good, empowering

947
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,320
teachers, giving them these
techniques and showing them what

948
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,120
to do.
But how much do you think being

949
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,240
a new adult in the room and
someone interesting who they've

950
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,240
not seen before is actually
lending itself to the children

951
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,960
listening to you maybe more than
their teacher who they've had

952
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120
for six months and they know,
they know them inside out.

953
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,200
And it's just like, hey, you've
lost all that like rabbit in the

954
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,960
head like thing.
I've seen them straight away and

955
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,560
I want to put it to you, how,
How important do you think the

956
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,680
actual way you get of getting
your class's attention, what you

957
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,560
do?
How important do you think that

958
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,680
is compared to your attitude,
the way you carry yourself, your

959
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,600
expectations, your consequences,
the bits outside of literally

960
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,960
how you get their attention?
Because I think 1's clearly more

961
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,600
important than the other.
And that just kind of open my

962
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,600
eyes to that bit.
It's like there's more to it

963
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,240
than yeah.
Why doesn't everyone just do a

964
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,600
countdown?
OK.

965
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,280
Because for me personally, I
need to work on other stuff

966
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,640
rather than what I'm saying.
I think the, the way you do the

967
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,640
thing like what we were talking
about there, the the strategy

968
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,280
that you use is almost, almost
completely unimportant.

969
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,120
I think there are some
importances in terms of, like

970
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,400
you said, a school might have a
policy, OK, there's some

971
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,120
importance there because you
just want consistency.

972
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,280
That's important is important
because of consistency.

973
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,280
That's fine.
But I think you as a person is

974
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,520
absolutely like almost almost
entirely the other thing, just

975
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,280
how you are in general with the
class, how your demeanour, how

976
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,400
you talk to them on a daily
basis.

977
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,400
Because sort of circling back to
the other point you made, which

978
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,440
is that how important, how much
of a difference does it make

979
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,720
when you're a fresh face?
It makes a massive difference.

980
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,080
We can't pretend it doesn't.
Everyone knows when you have

981
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,280
transition day, the kids are
like the best behaviour they'll

982
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,360
ever be because you're brand new
to them at that point.

983
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,400
They're sussing you out.
They're trying to make, some of

984
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,520
them are trying to make a good
impression.

985
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Some of them are just thinking,
I just don't know you yet.

986
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,640
So I'm not going to take the
risk of being silly by the end

987
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,280
of the year.
It's always more relaxed.

988
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,400
It's just natural.
Some some are better than others

989
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040
at keeping keeping it.
You know the expectations of

990
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,520
behaviour just as high as they
were and.

991
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,080
Pupils and teachers, by the way.
Exactly right.

992
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,360
And some not not as good, but it
always dips.

993
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,240
It always dips.
So that proves, I think that,

994
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,040
yeah, the more comfortable they
are with you, the more likely

995
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,040
they are to to act up and
behave, you know?

996
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,320
A little worse if you're
struggling to get the attention

997
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,760
of some children in your class.
I think it's good then to have

998
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,120
this is what comes back to what
I said.

999
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,800
Well, I've got like a catalogue
basically, and I know if

1000
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,640
something's getting a bit old,
like macaroni, right.

1001
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,080
My kids love that at the start.
But after two months, yeah, they

1002
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,800
don't, they don't freeze.
It's background noise.

1003
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,880
Yeah.
So then if I say flat tyre and

1004
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,360
maybe I've not explained it to
them, I've got flat tyre and

1005
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,400
they're like, what?
Yeah.

1006
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,880
I'm like, you meant to be a flat
tyre?

1007
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,360
That this the sounds.
What sound?

1008
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Yeah.
OK, so everybody freeze.

1009
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Yeah, get the wrong exactly.
Let's get it wrong.

1010
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,800
So we do it again and that kind
of piques their interest again.

1011
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,320
So I think there's two prongs to
this.

1012
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,480
That's what I'm saying here.
I do think it's important to

1013
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,760
change it up sometimes.
Yes, I do think that can keep it

1014
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,240
fresh and but what has to be the
golden thread going throughout

1015
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,480
this is very, very clear
expectations.

1016
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,880
When you embed something, you
say, when I do this, you do

1017
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,560
that.
And if you aren't all doing

1018
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,920
that, I'm going to put you up on
it.

1019
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,040
And if I get to 0 in my
countdown, you're not paying

1020
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,360
attention, there'll be
consequences.

1021
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,240
I think that is the golden
thread.

1022
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,280
So no matter what you choose, it
almost is irrelevant what you're

1023
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,160
choosing.
If you don't have the attitude

1024
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,600
of I'm in charge of this
classroom, at the end of the

1025
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,720
day, I'm going to give you lots
of opportunities to talk and I'm

1026
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,880
going to explain what is rude
and what isn't rude, what you

1027
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,320
did really well.
But remember, guys, I am in

1028
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,720
charge and I'm in charge because
I am the professional here and I

1029
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,160
want to help you as much as
possible.

1030
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Yeah.
So if I'm asking you to be quiet

1031
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,640
and silent and listen, I'm not
doing it for fun.

1032
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,160
I'm not doing it because I get a
kick out of it.

1033
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,520
I'm doing it because you need to
listen to the next part of the

1034
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,640
lesson and then you'll get a
chance to have a go yourself.

1035
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,080
And others do as well.
Exactly.

1036
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,480
And it's extremely selfish to
take that opportunity away from

1037
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,200
others, right.
Would you say that sort of thing

1038
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,160
to the kids?
Because I would.

1039
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
Like I said, I spent most of my

1040
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,080
career in year 4, so 8 and 9
year olds and they absolutely

1041
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,000
get it.
And, and it's it's fine if they

1042
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,600
don't all get it, but lots of
them do.

1043
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,200
And there's some children
sometimes even at that lower

1044
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,760
level where you have to be
teaching them as you go courtesy

1045
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,800
and you have to be.
And I don't think we should be

1046
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,120
scared to say I'm the teacher,
I'm in charge because there are

1047
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,600
definitely some some, and I'm
not saying this happens a lot,

1048
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,880
but definitely some schools.
Where it's, it's almost being

1049
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,320
holistic is amazing and children
need the chance to understand

1050
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560
stuff and as as teachers and
educators, we need to be really

1051
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,120
understanding, especially when
it comes to behaviour, when it

1052
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,640
comes to consequences for bad
behaviour, etcetera.

1053
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,040
I, I'm completely on board, but
it's OK as well.

1054
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,560
It's about no, I'm in charge.
Stop doing that.

1055
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,360
Stop right now.
Don't.

1056
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,400
Don't you dare.
Carry on you.

1057
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,000
Don't need to question why I've.
Explained.

1058
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,320
You don't need to question.
I've explained previously I'm in

1059
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,280
charge and every choice I make
is to help you.

1060
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200
And in this moment right now,
you have to stop talking to your

1061
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,320
partner.
It's rude.

1062
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,400
I'm trying to talk, your
partner's trying to listen.

1063
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,760
To me why?
Don't ask me honestly I will.

1064
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,080
I've explained it to you 4
times.

1065
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,360
It's got to the point now where
you just listened to me and

1066
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,480
that's OK.
And I am the biggest advocate.

1067
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,360
I was that kid who always asked
why, but I also had to be told

1068
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,160
multiple times when I was a
child because I've explained to

1069
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,080
you 5 times I can't do it
anymore.

1070
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,480
And in this moment, just shush.
Yeah, just be quiet and that's

1071
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,080
OK.
And you've got to have those

1072
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,200
strong, firm boundaries with
children, else it goes wild, it

1073
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,760
goes crazy.
I.

1074
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,280
Agree, and sometimes it's
actually not appropriate to

1075
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,520
explain the why there are.
It's not as often, but there are

1076
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,760
genuinely situations where even
though you feel like I would

1077
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,760
like to explain why to the kids
that I've made this decision,

1078
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,040
but it's genuinely not
appropriate.

1079
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,200
It might be something personal,
like you've done something in

1080
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,000
the class because of a certain
child's need.

1081
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,880
And you know, and I'm not going
to sit there and explain to the

1082
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,920
class, oh, I've done that
because this child needs this

1083
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,320
thing.
I'm just.

1084
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,760
Holding the RCP it says this.
Yeah, You know, it's like, no,

1085
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,520
you don't need to know that.
I'll tell you What you do need

1086
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,360
to do is just trust that I'm
making decisions in the class

1087
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,720
and in the best interest of this
class.

1088
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,640
And if you don't get it, that's
fine, but don't ask me.

1089
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,520
It's not appropriate.
Completely, absolutely right.

1090
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,680
Next one What is your most hated
education buzzword?

1091
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,720
Buzzword.
Can I make it a buzz phrase?

1092
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,240
Go on.
Yeah, Buzz, because one thing

1093
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,600
goes my.
Buzzword is I hate it.

1094
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,720
Mine's everybody freeze macaroni
Junior.

1095
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,320
Mine is have firm boundaries for
beta.

1096
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,280
I hate it.
It is, and I feel like this

1097
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,080
might get you as well already.
I just don't like this phrase

1098
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,280
even though it's fine.
Go on, go the extra mile.

1099
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,280
Okay.
Because in education, go the

1100
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,800
extra mile.
I feel like it's always used in

1101
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,920
a really patronising way.
Condescending.

1102
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,840
Just get your condescending.
Yeah, just just go the extra

1103
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,560
mile and do this extra thing.
Like what do you mean go the

1104
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,800
extra?
Do you realise I'm going the

1105
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,960
extra mile by doing the job
right at its most basic level?

1106
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,080
Because the job at its most
basic level already sneakily, he

1107
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,560
requires me to do loads of work
outside of the work hours like.

1108
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,640
I'm going to be the Tick Tock
ready.

1109
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,120
I'm going to be the Tick Tock
Classic teacher.

1110
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Not wanting to.
Why don't you just quit if you

1111
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,360
don't want to go the extra mile
for my children?

1112
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,200
Block.
That's them gone.

1113
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Yeah.
Yeah, literally.

1114
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,360
But it's just I just yeah.
In all seriousness, I am going

1115
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,280
the extra mile all the time.
And I don't need anyone to tell

1116
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,640
me to go the extra mile because
I'm constantly doing it all the

1117
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,280
time to help your children
because I actually really do

1118
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,200
value them and care about them
and I care about this job a lot.

1119
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,320
So someone's saying I'll just go
the extra mile, do the do the

1120
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,440
cross country and do an extra
mile.

1121
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Literally.
No, I'm not doing it with the

1122
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,240
kids I don't like.
I can run.

1123
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,080
We've talked about me repping Mr
Kebab as I walk into the

1124
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,440
swimming pool.
What do I look like I'm running

1125
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,000
the cross country and doing an
extra mile?

1126
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,360
No, thank you.
But it's so true because it gets

1127
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,080
conflated, doesn't it?
That's what winds me up going

1128
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,800
the extra mile.
It gets all just put in a big

1129
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,720
pot of unless you're doing
everything you possibly can do

1130
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,640
as a teacher to get it, you're
not going the extra mile.

1131
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,240
And it's like, whoa, whoa, can
we look at this dial from zero

1132
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,000
to 80, please?
Where I'm already going the

1133
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,640
extra mile.
I'm already marking things in

1134
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,840
the evening.
I'm already planning stuff at

1135
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,360
the weekend.
This, this, it's this really

1136
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,280
annoying.
Like it's like Schrodinger's

1137
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,000
teacher moan, right?
Where people say both

1138
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,560
simultaneously that we get 13
weeks holiday, why the hell are

1139
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,400
we moaning?
But at the same time say you get

1140
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,320
13 weeks holiday of course you
should do extra work.

1141
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,760
Which is it?
Which is it?

1142
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,280
Do I get 13 weeks holiday where
I don't have to do anything ever

1143
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,520
and I should just stop moaning?
Or is it I get 13 weeks holiday

1144
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,520
so I should take on loads of
extra more work because no one

1145
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,320
else gets 13?
Weeks.

1146
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,280
Well then, that's why.
It can't be both.

1147
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,280
It can't be both.
Pick one because you can't have,

1148
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,520
you know, beating us with a rod
of how much time we get off, but

1149
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,760
then also simultaneously saying
therefore you should do loads of

1150
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,280
work and it's of course teachers
shouldn't get that much.

1151
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Time.
And then when we moan about the

1152
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,720
work, you say we've got all that
time off.

1153
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,720
Yeah.
Exactly.

1154
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,200
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make any sense.

1155
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,280
I'm.
Spending the time of doing it, I

1156
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,240
can't win this.
Yeah.

1157
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,280
So going back to the extra Mar
thing, you said it, it you're

1158
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,760
absolutely right.
Because literally if you look at

1159
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,840
our contract, it has in our
contract teachers need to do

1160
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,800
extra work to to kind of fulfil
the job.

1161
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,080
And it's like, OK, cool.
If you're not defining that as

1162
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,280
the extra mile already as I was
going above and beyond the 1265

1163
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,000
contracts, my what do you want?
Because if you think if you just

1164
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
happen to think that running a
disco is the extra mile or you

1165
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,120
just happen to think that going
on, you know, some kind of trip.

1166
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,600
The Essex is on residential for
a week away from my family is

1167
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,520
going the extra mark and we
should do it.

1168
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,320
Please tell me what you do as a
job because I'll start having

1169
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,600
opinions on what's the extra
mark for you.

1170
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,840
Yeah.
What's that you work at Asda?

1171
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,960
Well, you should stay overnight
and restart the shelves.

1172
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,560
Yeah, because while you don't
care about your customers.

1173
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,600
Absolutely What No, it's just
it's an absolute nonsense.

1174
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,600
It's.
Got the end of your shift and

1175
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,280
you're only halfway through
unloading that cage.

1176
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Yeah, I think you should have
finished the cage before you go.

1177
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,800
That's only polite, isn't it?
How was you're leaving it for

1178
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,640
someone else?
Doesn't matter.

1179
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,320
Your time is ending.
Oh.

1180
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,360
Whatever, I want some whisper
gold in the morning and it's

1181
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,760
empty on the shelf because you
didn't finished the shopping.

1182
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Trolley off, you didn't want to
go.

1183
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,000
Yeah, honestly, it's just
ridiculous.

1184
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,560
Whatever.
Honestly, anyone who says that,

1185
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,920
I'm like, you know, tell me your
job.

1186
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,400
I'll tell you what.
My one.

1187
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,200
Yeah, well, sure.
Is non negotiable non

1188
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,680
negotiable?
When I hear non negotiable I

1189
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,440
just turn off straight away
because it winds me up.

1190
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,120
It almost goes back to what we
said earlier about the talk.

1191
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,320
Someone is that just sorry?
Is this just because of you

1192
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,600
though?
Is it because anyone telling you

1193
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,760
anything ever to do you're like
Nope, I ain't doing that now.

1194
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,000
I didn't I didn't suggest it.
I should do something.

1195
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,160
There's no way I'm doing that
now because someone's told me

1196
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,240
Non negotiable.
I think it's negotiable for me,

1197
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,720
Sir.
And the negotiation is no, I'm

1198
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,560
not doing it by is that, is that
just a you thing?

1199
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,760
This is like a wider gripe here.
No, it's it's probably just a

1200
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,760
beeping, but I'm what I want to
explain myself.

1201
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,320
What I'm not saying is there is
no such thing as non negotiable.

1202
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:57,280
If I want in and I was just like
watching Netflix with the kids,

1203
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,040
right?
And you're drunk.

1204
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,640
I mean drunk, sorry.
Otherwise put Netflix on kids

1205
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,680
and someone says, guys, it's a
non negotiable.

1206
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,280
You've got to teach maths.
I'm not.

1207
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,720
What I'm not saying is that
things that aren't negotiable

1208
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:09,920
don't exist.
I'm not I'm not.

1209
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,520
I'm not suggesting that.
But the word non negotiable as

1210
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,120
an ex, like as an education
buzzword has become something

1211
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,760
which I hate, which is something
very much negotiable.

1212
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,360
If if SLT or leaders or
whoever's introducing it doesn't

1213
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,720
want to have that conversation
and kind of already thinks it

1214
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,000
might be negative, we'll just
slap on at the end.

1215
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,960
And this is a non negotiable as
if to say, don't you dare talk

1216
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,680
to me about it.
I'm already preluding this.

1217
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,440
I know this is a negotiable.
I know it's probably wrong.

1218
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,160
I know it goes against that
bloody SDPCD keep waving around

1219
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,920
in front of me, but this is non
negotiable.

1220
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,480
So it just it's just a way of
trying to shut that door before

1221
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,800
you get there.
And I'm just like, OK, that's

1222
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,520
wrong.
It's so true.

1223
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,160
It's so true it is a buzzword
because it does just get used

1224
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,640
incorrectly all the time.
I love that it basically means

1225
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,160
this is not for discussion
anymore.

1226
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,920
Exactly.
This thing that's perfectly

1227
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,120
reasonably should be up for
discussion.

1228
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,160
It's no longer up for
discussion.

1229
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,920
It's non negotiable.
Right, guys, you're not allowed

1230
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,720
to wear shoes anymore to have
laces non negotiable.

1231
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,720
I think we should be able to
negotiate.

1232
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,440
Guys, we've changed the policy
on how the lessons look.

1233
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,320
You need to put the school logo
in every in the corner on every

1234
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,560
single slide.
Now non negotiable.

1235
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,480
Is it because I think we should,
I think we should be able to

1236
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,080
negotiate on this.
That's a lot of my time that

1237
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,400
you're just telling me I need to
use that on the weekends.

1238
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Let's talk about it turns into
that when something non

1239
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,760
negotiable turns into oh, right,
you've just you've just non

1240
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,680
negotiated my way into three
hours on a Sunday working.

1241
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,360
No, no, that's negotiable.
Get in the bin.

1242
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Yeah, I tell you what, No, sorry
Dylan.

1243
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,160
Because actually the new, the
new policy at the school,

1244
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,760
because we're really trying to
up the standards because it's

1245
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,920
all about the kids.
It's all for the kids.

1246
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,840
We what we, what we need you to
do is submit your planning on a

1247
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,320
Friday and we will review it and
get it back to you by Sunday.

1248
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,640
It's non negotiable.
We have to do it now.

1249
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,680
So sorry.
Do you know what?

1250
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,720
There were three comments to
that.

1251
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,320
That kind of recurred for our
three comments because we talked

1252
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,480
about that.
One was, Oh my God, I worked in

1253
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,560
a school like this.
It was horrendous.

1254
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,600
The next one was, Oh my goodness
me, I can't believe that's a

1255
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,600
thing.
How terrible is that?

1256
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Yeah, like I wouldn't, I'd
leave.

1257
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,200
And the third one was that
didn't.

1258
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,120
Happen.
And I knew you were gonna say.

1259
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,960
That that didn't happen.
Yeah, that didn't happen.

1260
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,040
Sorry.
Did the 25 people in these

1261
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,840
comments telling you that it
happened in their school?

1262
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Is that not enough for you to
understand that it does happen

1263
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,400
and that maybe something outside
of your experience?

1264
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Does occur happens a lot though.
I saw someone else's like an

1265
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,400
education in the education
Instagram real world.

1266
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,560
Someone else did a real and
genuinely the first comment and

1267
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,080
it was one of those kind of
toxic stories.

1268
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,680
The first comment was we all
know this just doesn't happen.

1269
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,640
This is just completely made-up.
Yeah, Yeah.

1270
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,280
And if people were just like,
no, not even the person that

1271
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,560
made the rule was like, well, I
can assure you someone very much

1272
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,120
told me this story, wrote it in,
and it's real.

1273
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,040
And it's happened for lots of
other people, as you can tell

1274
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,320
from the.
Comments and when you when you

1275
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,400
press comment to write something
and you scroll past four

1276
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,120
comments saying this happened to
me, yeah, you're just bit like,

1277
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,600
no, I didn't it's like, OK, OK
bro, I can't talk to you then.

1278
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,720
Yeah, what's the point?
What's the point?

1279
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,320
Yeah, honestly, ridiculous,
right?

1280
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,160
One more.
I think this is a nice one to

1281
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,080
end on.
Go for it.

1282
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,840
Would you ever work for Ofsted
or the Education Department and

1283
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,880
change things that way?
That's a really good question.

1284
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,840
I think I would actually quite
like to do that.

1285
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,440
Yeah.
I, I if I if that.

1286
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,080
You'd like to work for Ofsted
because to me I'm separating

1287
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,480
Ofsted and the Education
Department.

1288
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,160
Yeah, I suppose that's two
things I was kind of thinking.

1289
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,640
But but would you work for
Ofsted?

1290
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,640
I think so, yeah.
As in, I wouldn't, it wouldn't

1291
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,280
be a flat no.
If in all seriousness, right now

1292
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,000
in my life, with the way my life
is going, I literally would say

1293
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,560
no.
OK, so ignore that for a second.

1294
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,160
I'm going to really rephrase
this to you because I'm very

1295
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,160
interested.
Now you're in a position where

1296
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,600
you're leaving teaching and you
need another job and nothing

1297
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,040
else is going on.
You just need another job and

1298
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040
you're in the you're in the same
boat now thinking I'd probably

1299
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,720
work for them.
Would you accept a role as an

1300
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:25,760
Ofsted inspector tomorrow and
start from next week, do a

1301
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,280
better training of Ofsted and be
going into schools before

1302
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,840
Christmas under the current way
Ofsted works?

1303
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,560
Being an Ofsted inspector, do
you genuinely think that's

1304
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,400
something you want to do and do
you genuinely think that's

1305
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,560
something where you could effect
change?

1306
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,240
I would do it Wow, under the
idea that I've maybe it's gone

1307
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,400
too stubborn is that I I I think
I could make a difference.

1308
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,320
You couldn't, you couldn't know,
like I'm just telling you now,

1309
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,480
you couldn't because in the same
way you left teaching because

1310
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,240
you couldn't make a difference.
It's it's it's systemic.

1311
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,720
Systemic.
Like all that would happen is

1312
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:54,040
you'd go through the Ofsted
training and you'd have to go

1313
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,440
and like, you'd have to prove
yourself and be like, OK, well,

1314
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,320
I don't know what Ofsted do.
Maybe they do no training.

1315
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,960
I don't know.
But you and then you end up in a

1316
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,600
school.
I'm joking.

1317
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,160
Of course they do.
You have to.

1318
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Then you just end up going in a
school.

1319
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,440
What do you think you're going
to do as an offset inspector in

1320
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,600
a school?
Like barring going against the

1321
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,840
guidance that they have?
Yeah, like, you might be a nice,

1322
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,880
lovely person, but you're still
propping up a system that you, I

1323
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,000
know, fundamentally think is
ridiculous and you wouldn't be

1324
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,600
able to change it, so you would
just be an agent in the thing

1325
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,000
you hate.
So why such a hypocrite?

1326
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,080
Well, how about screw you about
you shut up, stop talking.

1327
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,320
Is it non negotiable?
It's a non negotiable.

1328
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,120
I'll be officers inspector and
I'll be putting the stink bombs

1329
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,000
in that and teachers desk and
I've told you already I'll be

1330
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,920
going to those toxic schools and
just completely rattling them

1331
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,840
from the inside out.
Can you imagine if we did a?

1332
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,920
That was non negotiable.
So it's non negotiable.

1333
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,240
I was seeing the conversation
that suppose.

1334
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,440
It's a good point though,
because I because the hardest,

1335
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,120
the biggest, best point you made
there, all the what?

1336
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,880
I ignore the waffle.
The best point you made there

1337
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,760
was a bit about I did leave
teaching ultimately because I

1338
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,720
just realised I just can't make
the change that I think needs to

1339
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,000
be.
Made why you were hypocritical

1340
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,640
shell.
I think it's the words hopeful.

1341
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,520
I think it's ambitious hopeful.
I think it's two things.

1342
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,960
You naive?
Yeah.

1343
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:04,920
Stupid, misinformed, bold I'm.
Not sure what that's to do, but

1344
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:05,960
yeah.
Yeah.

1345
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,200
So you wouldn't work frosted
then?

1346
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:10,040
Absolutely wouldn't work.
Frosted as a principle you like,

1347
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,640
No.
It's not even a principle like

1348
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,320
if it like fundamentally
changed, I'd work for him. 100

1349
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,520
around a year here we go here
we.

1350
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:21,000
Go 100 grand a year No. 200 No.
One mil no ��1,000,000 a year to

1351
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,560
be an off that inspector and
you're saying no our principal?

1352
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,440
Yeah right.
But I'm getting my Lamborghini

1353
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,720
and buggering off to the
different island.

1354
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,440
You're off to the you're off to
the banner shop.

1355
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,840
It's an outstanding banner for a
million a year.

1356
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,160
Absolutely.
Money talks, baby.

1357
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,440
Yeah, no, 1,000,000 lbs and one.
1,000,000 lbs and 1 LB That's

1358
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,920
that's your car.
No, look, OK, All right, Which

1359
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,720
goes back to ethics.
This is like a whole big thing.

1360
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,880
I would be doing something I
think is fundamentally wrong and

1361
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,720
it would have to be a lot of
fun.

1362
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,040
That's fine.
I just want to know that I don't

1363
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:52,880
care about that.
Seriously.

1364
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,360
I want to know at what point can
I pay off your ethics?

1365
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,960
I want to know at what point do
you become a complete sell out

1366
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,600
fraud?
I'm going to say because this is

1367
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,760
hypothetical, I can say never,
never, never, never, however,

1368
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,320
for the education.
System, you've been a

1369
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,560
billionaire.
For the education system, yeah.

1370
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,480
In terms of like the DfE, like
in the civil service, yeah, that

1371
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,560
interests me a lot more.
I've been talking to some people

1372
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,440
who work in the civil service,
specifically in the DFA with the

1373
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,760
ministers, etcetera.
OK, you, that sounds interesting

1374
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,120
to me.
Where again can you effect

1375
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,760
massive change?
Probably not in that role, but

1376
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,560
you can at least be working on
something where you are

1377
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,600
literally involved in government
policy.

1378
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,640
That is the way to change stuff.
We talk about how to change

1379
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,120
things, how to change offset,
how to change schools.

1380
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,840
It comes from the government.
So if I'm going to be in a place

1381
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,720
that can affect change more than
anything else, it would be in

1382
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,040
that situation.
Yeah, absolutely.

1383
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,240
Right.
So that's where I'd be more

1384
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,760
interested in like do you know
what I maybe would?

1385
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,840
I'm not a complete sell out
shell like you.

1386
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,240
You can change the policies for
me, the Ofsted inspector, but

1387
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,320
you're right now, because the,
the DfE thing, that is basically

1388
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,040
what I had in my head when I was
thinking of that, I was like,

1389
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,480
where can I, I can impact
change, right?

1390
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,120
And actually working for Ofsted
itself is not the one working

1391
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,840
for the DfE who, where you might
be, you might have some control

1392
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,680
over how the DfE were involved
in the, the, in the, in Ofsted.

1393
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,920
That's where you actually might
be able to say, put forward

1394
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,480
suggestions and work on projects
and make real difference and

1395
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,320
real change and listen to people
and implement things with a

1396
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,920
team.
We need a step above this, don't

1397
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,360
you?
Would you become an MP?

1398
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,200
Considering I don't know
anything about politics.

1399
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,160
No, I don't think that's a
prerequisite looking at that big

1400
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,760
down there.
Wouldn't worry too much about

1401
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,560
that ballot.
That's true.

1402
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,360
No, I'm sure it'd be a very
stressful job.

1403
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,720
I'm not sure I'd.
Want to go, but that would be

1404
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,960
the ultimate because like the
civil service kind of are

1405
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,280
supposed to execute the orders
of the MPs and the people in

1406
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,920
charge.
So again, change is limited.

1407
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,280
I felt like you'd enjoy that.
I think maybe when I'm much

1408
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,320
older.
I don't think it's a job for me

1409
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,240
now.
I really don't.

1410
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:53,720
I know a lot of MPs are young.
Yeah, I think I, I genuinely

1411
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:57,440
think that I would enjoy it, but
I think there'd be so much

1412
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,080
frustration involved, so much
like immediate vitoral from

1413
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,920
being an MP, like straight away,
no matter what party I would end

1414
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,880
up trying to represent or
whatever it would be

1415
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,760
immediately, half the population
hate you.

1416
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:09,760
Doesn't matter.
Like just straight away,

1417
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,000
straight away because of what
you, what colour you wear and

1418
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,360
stuff.
Then I could deal with that

1419
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,240
because really fundamentally
what I truly care about in that

1420
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,440
role, Yeah, it's just affecting
change and helping people and

1421
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,240
there's just so much more to it
where no, it makes sense

1422
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:22,960
becoming media trained and all
that kind of stuff.

1423
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,600
Like I just can't watch what
you're saying.

1424
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,040
We have a burnout career, isn't
it?

1425
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,480
Yeah, it's like end of career.
That's.

1426
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,560
What?
I mean like when I'm 55, right?

1427
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Yeah, I'm imagining when I'm 55,
it might be something where I

1428
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:33,600
go.
Do you know?

1429
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:34,920
Do you know what?
Let's have a go.

1430
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,760
Maybe they're begging you like
please don't.

1431
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,440
And please, you're like, I'll
think about it.

1432
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,160
I'll think about it.
Why were they chiselling?

1433
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,720
Something I don't know.
I don't know what this movement

1434
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:48,680
was please.
We've got in this podcast right

1435
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,480
now.
You're not watching, I'm good

1436
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,360
'cause you didn't see whatever
hand with that.

1437
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,480
One, I'm begging you, Dylan.
I'm begging you.

1438
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,880
I'm begging you.
There's no amount of money but.

1439
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,720
Knocking in a couple of nails.
Bitch chiselling, Give me a

1440
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,280
billion, give me a chisel.
Right, that's all we've we've

1441
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,400
lost it and.
It there guys thank you so much

1442
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,360
for this thing we got this far
share with someone you might

1443
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,200
think might find it.
I would normally say useful.

1444
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,720
Maybe this week I'll just say
funny and entertaining and

1445
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,040
leaves a review.
It really helps us.

1446
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,320
Hayden hopefully actually
thought of something this week.

1447
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,640
You going to sign us off?
Have a fantastic rest of your

1448
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,680
week guys and see you next time.