Ep 141: Answering Your Questions: Careers After Teaching, The Homeschooling Boom & Teacher Training Improvements

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You can take it away, is that
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Sure, yeah, go and go for it.
It's a fairly long 1, so you

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know I'm doing the bulk of the
reading here today.

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How do you deal with not gelling
with a teacher?

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I am a one to one TA for two
kids in a year, one class and

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the main class teacher is very
passive aggressive.

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If I say anything positive about
the kids, either one to one or

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other kids, it's met with eye
rolls and a stare.

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Even the kids are picking up on
it.

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It's my first TA job and the
teacher in question has over a

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decade experience and has a big
following on social media so I

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don't want to rock the boat too
much but I'm sure if I can take

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can't if I can take it anymore.
I love the job otherwise and SLT

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and SENCO seem to be happy with
what I'm doing so far.

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Any tips appreciated.
Well, firstly, feedback when

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you're reading it was good into
halfway you start stumbling over

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basic words.
So yeah, yeah, not bad.

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I'd say working towards the
expected standards.

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That's all right.
Not bad.

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Working towards.
Yeah.

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Secondly, just as a side note,
made me laugh at the start of

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this.
I'm a one to one TA for two

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kids.
I was like, that just sums up

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that sums up the education
system right now.

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Is this these these kids need a
1 to 1.

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So what we've got is 1 adult to
one kid, and then another kid

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and then another one and then
another.

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It's like just not enough money
to go around.

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So firstly, anyone to want TA is
out there.

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Like the person sending this in
you are quite often doing God's

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work because you are given
unofficially A1 to 1 to kind of

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tick up a box for what a child
desperately needs.

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But you're not necessarily
remotely supported in that.

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And you might be given multiple
children to do 1 to one.

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It's just such a weird paradox
we've got there.

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But anyway, I found this
question really interesting for

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a few reasons.
I'm sure we'll come on to the

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social media thing in a minute.
I thought maybe she was

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describing you.
So I knew that you're quit.

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I'm not done you once, but what
I thought was a really, really,

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really interesting point here,
and we get this a lot actually,

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is what about if you just simply
don't get on with a member of

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staff that you have to work
with?

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And I feel like this kind of
transcends school a little bit.

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But I guess the point here is it
is a problem when the kids start

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to pick up on it.
I think you don't have to like

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and get on with everyone who you
work with.

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It's literally impossible.
But there's got to be a certain

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level of professionalism where
even if maybe you don't go on

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with a person, you have to just
get over it and just get on with

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it.
And what I'm saying here is more

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to the other person in this
respect.

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You're being a bit arsy with
them rolling your eyes, huffing

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and puffing and the kids are
picking up on it.

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I think this TA is well in their
right just to go to their line

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manager and just say, look, I
feel this way.

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I think this is happening.
Like she said here, I don't want

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to rock the boat.
Yeah, yeah.

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OK.
So clearly, I clearly doesn't

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want to make a big issue of it.
But it does get to a point where

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if you're feeling undermined in
the classroom that I think,

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yeah, you can open a
conversation about it and just

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say, look, I'm noticing this,
maybe drop in and see and we'll

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notice if behaviours change at
all or.

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But I think it's worth bringing
up, yeah.

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Definitely.
I think there's even maybe a

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step before that.
And this, this does depend on

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who you are, I suppose.
Like some people will be like,

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Nah, there's no way I'm doing
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And other people do you know
what?

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Just a bit of bravery maybe of
just having that conversation

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with the person as well.
If you think you can, then it

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might be a situation where you
think, no, I need to just go to

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my line manager.
This is not the right

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environment.
I don't know exactly, but there

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are situations where I think you
can just say, do you know what?

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I'm not going to escalate this
too much yet.

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I'm going to give this person a
chance.

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I'm going to give them the
benefit of the doubt.

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And I'm just going to have a
real human adult conversation

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with them and say, look, I've
noticed this, this happened a

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few times.
And you're not being, you know,

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you're, you're, you're being as
polite as possible to not invoke

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anything else.
I've noticed this, this happened

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a few times.
You've rolled your eyes.

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I've noticed the kids are
noticing it.

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It's making me feel a bit
awkward.

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Is there a, is there a problem?
Is there anything I'm doing

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wrong in, in the classroom that
you you'd like me to work on?

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Or is it, you know, something
that I don't know about?

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I just want to open that
conversation because obviously I

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want us to get on really well
because we're here for the kids

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ultimately, and we should have a
professional relationship.

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I just want to make sure you're
not being shitty.

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Yeah, maybe that's how that bit,
but like, and I think I would

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start there most of the time,
but I can definitely imagine

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some situations where I'm like,
Nah, I'm not having that

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conversation with this person
because of the way they've been

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behaving.
I'm just going to go and speak

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to someone else.
Yeah, for sure.

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Especially when it's your first
TA job, like, you know, it's the

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first time you've been in the
school.

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It isn't normal.
I'll say that now.

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It's not normal to teach you
huffing and puffing and kind of

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undermining you, especially if
you're praising the children.

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I think that's a shame.
But yeah, I think most people,

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for example, let's just say I, I
did this by accident, even to my

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teaching assistant, and I really
didn't mean to be doing it.

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But maybe that's just the way I
was coming across.

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I would appreciate a teaching
assistant coming to me to talk

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about it.
And at least then I think maybe

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I'd feel personally attacked for
a second.

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Maybe I'd get my back up
immediately because that's just

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a natural reaction as the
teacher in question.

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But I think in the long run, I'd
really appreciate that open

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dialogue because I'd feel like
if if you felt that way in my

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classroom, I'd want to know
about that because I don't want

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you to feel that way.
Obviously, I don't want the

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children to feel uncomfortable.
I don't want the staff at all to

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feel like they're treading on
egg shells around me whatsoever.

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So yeah, I think opening up a
dialogue, it's a really powerful

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way of doing that.
The other part of this was, you

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know, a big, a big following on
social media and stuff.

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And I don't know, I just, I
guess we're, we're leaning into,

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I have no idea who this is at
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I'm not remotely trying to say
it's this person or that person,

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but I do find it interesting.
It's it leans into for me, that

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social media kind of outward
presentation of life.

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And it's not necessarily always
representing maybe what you're

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like as a person to work with
and what your reality is.

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And I can, I can just imagine
for a second, you know, if

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teachers at the start of their
career, especially or their

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training go online and see all
these posts from, from creators,

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they will start to form a view
of teaching before they even

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experience it.
And we're guilty of this as

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well.
I think like we're, we're guilty

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of it both ways, where we might
say, Oh yeah, this is a toxic

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thing to think about.
Oh yeah.

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Make sure you have your back up
and ready here and to to defend

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yourself.
Lots of people will go into

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schools.
Well, you don't need to do that.

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Yeah.
And they'll never have to

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experience that.
They will never have to

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experience it.
And I guess we're moulding their

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opinion of teaching before they
even get into it.

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And, and that can be problematic
for sure.

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I'd like to think anyone who
listens to our, you know, actual

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podcast or more than a minute of
our content online would realise

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we are quite balanced, I think,
in what we say.

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But yeah, just trying to back
over to you from your experience

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because you're not really in the
social media world too much.

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What's your kind of?
View an opinion of the teacher

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sphere online.
Like do you think it gives an

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accurate representation of the
job or does it glorify it?

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Does it glamorise it or does it
make it feel like it's worse?

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I don't think it is very
accurate.

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And, and the only reason I think
that, and I guess I can use us

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as a bit of analogy here, is if
you think about even the clips

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we put out, right, the ones that
do well, it's kind of not up to

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us what does well.
Like obviously we can limit it,

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make good content is obviously a
thing.

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But sometimes it's like, yeah,
all the toxic clips are getting

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really pushed.
And now the average Joe who's

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just maybe stumbling across a
few of our clips is always

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seeing us talk about toxic SLT
and thinking, oh, cool, so

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schools are really toxic to work
in.

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Leaders are horrible.
So no, no, we don't.

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We don't think that.
We actually don't think that at

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all.
And actually it's just that the

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other clips didn't really get
pushed.

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And you haven't listened to our
long form podcast, but we talk

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about it more.
I think that happens on the sort

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of global scale.
You know, you just see what

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social media pushes sometimes.
I think that alone is already

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bad enough in terms of not
giving you a proper

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representation.
But also people, creators

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obviously are going to play up
to what gets, what gets likes,

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what gets engagement because
that's part of what you're

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doing.
Like you're, you know, you're

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making content for social media.
So yeah, I don't think it's the

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perfect representation.
I know there was that time and

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maybe it's still happening.
I don't know, people.

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I feel like people had a name
for it where it was like toxic

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positivity, where it was always
like people are showing off the

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most unreal expectations of
like, oh, yeah, this is how you

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can be a good teacher to just do
these things with your displays

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and do these things at home and
make these little things.

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And then the kids will like you.
And it's like, whoa, whoa.

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I tell you what, Let's like
people are going to be feeling

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rubbish about themselves when,
when if they think that every

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teacher is doing this.
I feel like that was an era on

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social media.
Everyone was like, oh, can we

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just bring this down to like
realism for a bit, you know,

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and.
That's what we tried to do and

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then we get rinse for being
negative.

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You can't win.
So yeah, the the social media

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game, you really can't win.
But we've got do is just be true

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to yourself.
I think as much as you can.

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Yeah.
And I do think, yeah, sometimes

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what people out there is it's
it's never real life, is it?

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Let's be let's be real.
Even the most realistic version

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of what you see in social media
is still curated.

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Yeah, they they still pick the
one take out of seven good takes

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across the day they want to use.
They they still took their phone

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on the tripod into their
classroom with a ring light, put

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it up, set it up, turn the light
back off, walked out of the

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room, then walk back in again as
if they're walking in for the

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first time, catching them walk
into their classroom.

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It's all fake.
That's what we do, yeah.

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And I have nothing against that.
Yeah.

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That's just, that is just how
you make content.

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This is what you do.
But yeah.

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So what's the rich market?
Wait, wait, wait.

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We'll do.
I'll call back in a second.

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One second.
Just gonna set my tripod,

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Cristiano Ronaldo.
So it's not real.

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It's not real, I'm afraid.
Yeah, just take it with a pinch

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of salt.
But yeah, open up that dialogue

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I think.
That's yeah, definitely with

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this here, just going back to
this person here is you're in a

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tough situation.
It's not nice.

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It probably will make you, it
feels personal.

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I would recommend if you can
have that, have an actual

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conversation with that person.
They'll appreciate, but

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hopefully appreciate you not
going straight to your line

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manager.
But if you don't feel like

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that's appropriate, then
obviously do actually go to your

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line manager and have that
conversation because it needs to

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be sorted.
It's not acceptable, it's not

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professional.
So yeah, it you know, it can't

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just go on.
OK.

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Next question Favourite year
group to?

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Teach.
Very good question.

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I will admit in my 10 year
career I have only taught 2 year

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groups.
I very much just went back and

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forth between year 4.
I did year 4, then year 6, then

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back to year 4 and then I spent
the rest of the last five years

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of my career.
In year 6.

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I got trapped and people often
say the year 6 trapped.

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Once you're there, it's hard to.
So which one did you prefer to

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ask the question?
I'm just thinking, actually I'm

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I'm it's fine just forming my
thoughts on these two year

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groups.
It's fine to answer a question

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you want me to ask you rather
than one.

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Actually, my answer is the 2
best year groups are year 4 and

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year 6.
And I was like, that's a bit of

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a cop out isn't it?
I think I prefer year 4.

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If I had to pick between those
two, I would pick year 4.

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And I do genuinely think that is
the best year group.

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I think particularly when you
work in a, in a Junior School,

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which we've always done year
three, I'm like, it's the start

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of key stage 2.
And if you're in a Junior

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School, they are like new at the
school.

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I don't want to be doing that
way too much work.

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Year 6.
The other end is really, really

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nice, like in terms of the kids
maturity and like just having a

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genuinely like funny moments
with the kids.

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It's it's like absolutely peak
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But the SAS does kind of just
ruin everything in terms of the

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pressure and stuff that it puts
on Year 5.

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It's the one before Year 6 and
they often get put under a lot

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of pressure I think to get the
kids like that's ready, even

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though it's not that year group
yet.

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Whereas Year 4 is like that
sweet spot.

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The kids are just a little bit
older.

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They're not still like like in
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They're a bit a little bit
babyish.

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Year 4, they've got a bit of
personality coming through.

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They're funny.
The pressure's off.

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I feel like you get left alone a
lot more in Year 4 and you can

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just have such a nice year now.
You spent most of your career in

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Year 4, didn't you?
So I'm wondering if you're also

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going to pick Year 4 here?
I did have my nine years, one

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less than you fine, my nine
years teacher in six years or in

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year 4.
Yeah, I did.

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I did one year in Year 5.
No, sorry.

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I did two years in Year 5 and
one year in year 3.

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So I did 3-4 and five across
4's.

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Absolutely my favourite as well.
55's underrated a little bit.

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I think it's just it's just
slightly from they, you know,

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they become more they just
become closer to teenagers.

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Sounds ridiculous. 4 is that
sweet spot of their pure

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innocence and like love for
learning is still there, like

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without you having having to do
much just have to be like a nice

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room to be in for the kids and
they are there with you all the

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way.
But like old enough to kind of

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get a few more jokes.
You want to start a bit more

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sarcasm?
4 was amazing. 5 was good,

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though I did really enjoy year
five.

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Year 3 again, I did it in a
Junior School and you just, you

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just lose the first time.
You lose the first time to kind

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of just like embedding your
routines, getting them to just

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behave the way you want them to
behave because it's a brand new

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for them, getting them used to
the school, getting them

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embedded in the culture.
You know, I remember before I

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moved to year 3, my year 3
colleagues would say things

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like, Oh my God, it.
It literally took half my maths

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lesson for them to set up their
maths book.

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And I would always be like,
yeah, all right, that's funny.

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You're clearly exaggerating
though, but OK.

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Yeah, bloody year three.
You're going on about that

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again.
I went to year 30.

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My goodness me.
It took half the lesson to write

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the date I've.
Not been in it, I don't believe.

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You I know, and I wouldn't
believe me if I was you in this

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situation mean it took half I
just.

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Don't know by writing a letter a
minute.

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On literally because like half
the kids are not even just sat

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in their seats, the advocate
thought they're wandering around

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doing something.
They can't use a ruler to do a

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margin.
They can't write things down.

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They can't underline stuff.
I promise you.

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Like, let me be really
realistic.

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Let me think about it.
Like half, maybe even it's too

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much.
But it genuinely, I remember

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looking at the clock and
thinking, Oh my goodness, it's

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actually taken 25 minutes from
from them, from them by the

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start of the lesson to them
being ready to do the lesson

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because their books are all set
up and we know what we're doing.

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That stuff.
I promise you, I promise you.

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And it was just like, I couldn't
believe it.

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And I was like, OK, it's real.
And that's Year 3.

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Yeah, well, and again, I think I
do think it being a Junior

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School doesn't necessarily help
because you just have different

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routines and expectations and
maybe they didn't even do that

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at all ever until then.
Year 3 potentially, and there

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might be good reason for that.
I'm not saying it's good or bad,

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I'm just saying the fact is it
definitely took that long.

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And yeah, we're key stage too
heavy because I've always worked

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in junior schools.
You've mostly work in junior

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schools.
So when we're saying our

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favourite year group, I think 4
is really good, when you're in

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there key stage 2.
Talking about early years and

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key stage 1, I think all we can
briefly talk about is how I have

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no desire to go and do it and I
have the utmost respect for

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people in key stage 1 and early
years.

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I think it's it is exhausting.
I did a bit of training in year

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1 I remember and it's the most
mentally exhausted I've ever

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been.
And even the pay off of maybe

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there's less marking down there.
It almost was like I'll take the

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bit of marking because I am done
in at the end of.

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The day is that is that it?
Then I want to dig deeper into

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this like is that the only
reason that you don't want to

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you wouldn't do key stage 1?
Is it just the fact that it's

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just too mentally exhausting or
is there?

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More now I'm, I'm being really
dramatic because actually, do

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you know what I would, I would
actually try it.

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And I remember we, we went
around to school as maths leads

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and we got, we had a tour of a
school and we were having a

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maths meeting after, but we had
like a tour and it was a through

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school.
We went into a nursery.

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Yeah, yeah.
We saw the little kids and I

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remember being like, Oh my God,
they're so sweet.

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They're so lovely.
But it's, it's just intense.

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The tends to be more adults down
lowering the school, which kind

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of shares a bit of that burden.
But I just think like I'm going

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to leave the experts to that
because they've got, like I

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said, continuous provision in
place.

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There's play going on.
It's a whole lot of learning

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that's really good for the kids
that I don't really feel expert

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in.
I'm like, you know what, you,

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I'm going to stay in my lane.
You crack on.

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You're doing a fantastic job.
That is, I'm not even

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necessarily completely against.
It it's, it's the expert thing

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isn't it?
I think that summarises because

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I always thought to myself, why
do I not want to teach in key

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situ?
Am I just like what?

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What is the reason?
Because I clearly have a

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preference for teaching slightly
older kids like 456.

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Why?
Because I love teaching and and

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in my opinion, teaching is like
more pure the lower you get into

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like teaching a year one to read
like letters and words and

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showing like like the
underpinning basics foundations

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of maths.
You're getting to take them from

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not knowing anything about it to
understanding that how addition

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works and counting and all the
different ways.

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I was like, that is like an an
amazing part of teaching where I

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feel like I should, I should
love that.

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But the thought of going to be a
year 1 teacher, I'm just like,

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Nah, that's rough.
That's tough.

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And I think that's what it is.
It is literally just that I

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spent my career in in key stage
2.

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The longer I was in it, the more
I felt like, this is my thing.

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This is what I'm good at.
And the more I felt like I'd be

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an imposter if I went down into
year one.

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If I did, I'm sure after a year
you'd, you'd get used to it.

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You'd feel that, you'd feel like
you're good.

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But yeah, right now I'm like,
oh, no, I couldn't do that

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because it's a different job.
It's just not even the same

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thing.
Like the that pedagogy is like,

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OK, cool.
We're all teaching, but

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holistically it's just anyone
who says it's the same.

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It's just not, it's just not
like, and if we're thinking

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about continuous revision and
play being more weighted to

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being important down those year
groups, it's completely

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different to what I'm used to
doing.

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That is completely different to
what I'm used to doing.

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Whether it's right or wrong, I
just don't have the expertise in

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that to do it.
And yeah, I suppose the only

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thing I will say is for me, it's
the same going upwards as well.

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I mean, secondary school, I just
think to myself, you know, I'll

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let you do your thing up there,
I'll let you do your thing down

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there.
I'll stick to year 4 where

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there's no end of year
assessment.

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That's regards to any kind of
data.

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This is the timetable check
which we just practise.

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Anyway, all good, give me a four
every day of the week.

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Same.
I I think so as well, right,

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Next question, would you ever
want to be on a show like

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Educating Yorkshire?
What's your opinion on shows

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like it and do you think it's
positive for the teaching

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community?
Well, I didn't have, you know,

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I've been on TV quite a few
times.

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Have you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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A quick show, I think Educating
Yorkshire.

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I've not watched it this this
first time around because it's

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got, it's gone back, hasn't it?
It's got a lot of the same.

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I think it's the same school
maybe, but it's got the some of

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the same teachers who are in
different roles now.

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I think it's a good thing.
I think it's a good thing to get

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people like seeing what's going
on in our schools.

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I think that is a positive
thing.

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And for me personally, I've
actually, I've actually read a

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review of Educating Yorkshire
this time around before I even

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watched it, because I'm just
interested to see how it's being

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00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,880
received.
And the headline of the review

449
00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,560
was, you know, in a world of,
you know, schools being bashed

450
00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,480
and next generation being being
seen as useless and all, they're

451
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,560
just, they're just in front of
the screen constantly and

452
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,240
they're never going to have
anything to do with the real

453
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,360
world.
Oh my goodness me.

454
00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,040
He was basically saying this is
a show that really celebrates

455
00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,400
the next generation and really,
really portrays him in a nice

456
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,000
way.
And I was like, fantastic,

457
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,359
because that's the main thing
I'd want to be getting out of a

458
00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,079
show like this.
Sure, the teachers, sure,

459
00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:10,839
teachers are going to get a bad
rap almost all of the time,

460
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,000
right?
It's just what's going to

461
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,920
happen.
I like the fact shows that this

462
00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,119
can show the hard work and
dedication and and love for

463
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,400
their students that loads of
teachers generally have and how

464
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,000
hard they work to give the best
possible outcomes for these

465
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,200
kids.
And I was thinking back to that,

466
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,880
that famous video of the child
with the stutter and the teacher

467
00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,720
who worked with this child to be
able to speak and by the end

468
00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,240
came up with a solution when he
was speaking to the whole

469
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,440
assembly.
And I was like, Oh my God, that

470
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,640
is teaching.
That's why that's why it's the

471
00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,200
best job in the world.
And any kind of show that can

472
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,200
highlight that, I think it's a
really good thing and you have

473
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,400
to highlight the bad stuff as
well.

474
00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,440
For me, it's all about shows
that educate in Yorkshire.

475
00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,720
It just has to be realistic and
there are always going to be

476
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,400
some people who look at a shot
at that and say that's not

477
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,560
realistic.
My school was much worse and

478
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,400
they're always going to be
people looking that's not

479
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,760
realistic.
You're just bashing the next

480
00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,200
generation.
The kids aren't really like

481
00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,600
that.
My kids fine so OK this is this

482
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,080
is when you kind of probably
know you've made a good show if

483
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,440
you're annoying people on both
extremes yeah yeah, it's like we

484
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,360
probably give it an accurate
representation of what's going

485
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,000
on so So my gut my gut with a
show at Educating Yorkshire,

486
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,240
which you know follows the
trials and tribulations for just

487
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,280
everyday school life.
I think it's a good thing.

488
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,680
And would I want to be on it if
I was still teaching and it was

489
00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,600
said we're thinking of doing
this I'd.

490
00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,880
I honestly would be like 5050
about it because but part of me

491
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,440
would be like, I've just
explained why I think it's a

492
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,640
really good thing to have for
the public.

493
00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,520
And the other part of me would
be like, yeah, but would it just

494
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,600
negatively affect the kids?
And what I'm fully focused on,

495
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,280
which is their development and
education, would having a film

496
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,800
crew in their in their classroom
every day for two months be a

497
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,480
good thing?
Yeah, no.

498
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,080
Do you reckon they would call
the show as well once?

499
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,680
Once you're on it off they
realise you go into a cupboard

500
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,840
every 10 minutes for a whisper
Gold.

501
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,040
But what?
How many packets of crisps can

502
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,880
you get free before they go?
I don't think we can film this

503
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,880
guy.
Teacher exposed he's not really

504
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,640
eating every 5 minutes of
lessons he's.

505
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,520
Not really representing what we
want to represent in this show,

506
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,000
but it's real.
Isn't It's real.

507
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,440
I don't think it is.
I don't think many teachers do

508
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840
this.
I don't think they all go into a

509
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,240
cupboard like this and eat all
these grapes.

510
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,760
No, and then it'd be you doing
blow dart maths, yeah, with your

511
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:13,960
meat and sticks like is this.
Normal.

512
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,840
Maybe like this guy, he gets the
kids.

513
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,840
He makes learning fun, not the
crisp.

514
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,840
Guy, not the crisp guy that came
out, has become Mr Crisp.

515
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,000
Yeah, that's interesting, though
I, I never really watched much

516
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,800
of it of that show.
I remember when it came out I

517
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,600
watched a bit then I.
Think you were doing 20 hours a

518
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,720
day of Minecraft at that.
Point.

519
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,200
Yeah, probably something.
Yeah, probably just engaging

520
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,920
with the kids at school, working
really hard.

521
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,600
Over here in the.
Evenings and making lessons, all

522
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,640
that sort of stuff, you know?
Sure.

523
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,680
What's your instinct on that
kind of thing then as somebody

524
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,480
hasn't really like, you know,
taken in the?

525
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,040
Context, just think as long as
it is, as long as it is

526
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,920
realistic, I think then it's a
good then it's going to be a

527
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,280
good thing.
And especially if you when you

528
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,200
just said it was prefaced with
basically here's loads of

529
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,360
positivity about school and how
it can be a really good thing.

530
00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:52,480
I'm like, well, that's a good
start.

531
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,280
If it was a show that was like
bias towards exposing rubbish

532
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,360
teachers and how?
Like a podcast maybe?

533
00:19:58,360 --> 00:19:59,120
That advice?
Was.

534
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,880
Exposing yeah or toxic SLT that
that would be worth consuming,

535
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,000
would it?
No, no, no, because we we're

536
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000
fair.
We've established this.

537
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,400
We give all representations.
Whereas if the show was very

538
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,880
much just like we're just trying
to like bash teachers, yeah,

539
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,800
bash season show how generation
show how bad school is for kids

540
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,320
now.
And it's like how that probably

541
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,760
isn't that good.
We don't really need that in

542
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,040
this climate, I suppose.
Yeah, no, completely.

543
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,840
Yeah, I, I mean, yeah.
I can't see Mr Stevens being a

544
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,640
star of the I'm sorry, I just
can't see it.

545
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,520
Well, I can.
Okay, we'll try maybe great.

546
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,680
Disagree.
A week, a week.

547
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,800
Do you think that's important?
I think that's really important,

548
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,760
yeah, to the future of our next
generation.

549
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,120
Know about that?
Next question, what three things

550
00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,840
do you think should be added to
teacher training which currently

551
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,600
isn't or isn't done in detail
enough?

552
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,480
Houses.
That's a really good one.

553
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,480
Are you?
Are you gonna answer one of my

554
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,120
questions without saying that's
a good question?

555
00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:48,920
No, I actually like to think
about questions rather than just

556
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,400
giving a off the shelf rubbish
answer.

557
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,160
So yeah, whilst I think of it.
Like, it's like, it's like Jimmy

558
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,320
Carr when he gets heckled, he's
like, what?

559
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,080
Yeah, he repeats it back.
Yeah, sorry, I'll say it louder.

560
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,800
Well, what few things should be
added to teacher training?

561
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,120
I don't know.
Your mum normally does.

562
00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:05,320
It's thinking.
It's thinking he's.

563
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,960
Got he's got deep recently.
Isn't he?

564
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,160
He hasn't some Yeah on some
podcast if you got an answer.

565
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,280
Yet no, no, no, no.
I was hoping you'd come in with

566
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,440
your answer that you obviously.
Pre planned no people have

567
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,320
anything I can just think you.
Can think on the spot, can you?

568
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,680
Yeah, well, how about you just
start?

569
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,800
Put me on the.
Spot, baby.

570
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:18,720
Yeah, yeah, you can keep
thinking.

571
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,960
You give me what you can do is
I'll say mine and you go, yeah,

572
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,280
that.
I'll read.

573
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,520
I'll read back.
A huge thing for me, if I think

574
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,120
back to when I just qualified as
a teacher, one of the the parts

575
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,920
of the job I thought I was
massively under equipped was

576
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,080
noticing things like dyslexia in
children.

577
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,880
You know that those kind of, you
know, my child might have ADD or

578
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,360
my child might have this or
that.

579
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,720
I absolutely was winging it.
I was like, yeah.

580
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,240
Do you think my child has
dyslexia?

581
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,120
I'm a 22 year old, just come out
of my one year PTC and I got

582
00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:50,000
about 5 minutes of training on
dyslexia.

583
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,960
I don't know, but the extent of
my dyslexia knowledge was do

584
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,760
they get their B's and their D's
modelled up?

585
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,480
Genuinely, I would, I literally
don't know.

586
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,360
So I think huge thing for
teachers training is at least

587
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:06,440
even having the means at the
time to be like, I have a basic

588
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,080
understanding that's better than
it currently is.

589
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,120
So I think you need to go into
more detail in training, but

590
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,600
then also training to say, this
is how you go about it.

591
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,640
This is how you go about finding
this out.

592
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,640
This is how you go about going
down the right routes to get a

593
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,440
child diagnosed or this is who
you go to.

594
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,440
Like obviously I knew I need to
go to my SENCO.

595
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,720
Like I obviously knew to do
that.

596
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,320
But in the moment, like talking
to an A parent, I felt like very

597
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000
much like a fraud.
And I think equipping teachers

598
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000
with more knowledge of spotting
these things, not necessarily

599
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,600
diagnosing, of course, you can't
do that.

600
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,000
But the ability to say, oh,
actually I'm seeing some signs

601
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,240
of this in this child.
I'm seeing some signs of that.

602
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,800
I think that can be heightened.
Yeah, because I definitely felt

603
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,760
under equipped if I think about
going back to the start of my

604
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,920
career.
Yeah, that's my one as well.

605
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,200
That's that's me.
I was thinking, I was actually

606
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,640
thinking just exactly that one.
Exactly.

607
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,160
No, but just on your point about
that, I do remember like just

608
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,720
genuinely not really even
knowing what it was.

609
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,880
I know you said it all with B's
and D's and I didn't even know

610
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,120
someone was like, oh, no, I
remember saying one time, Oh

611
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:01,440
yeah, I think there might be
some dyslexia there.

612
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,760
No, this car's dyspaxic.
I was like, ah, yeah, winging it

613
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,360
at this point thinking, oh,
cool, I like a fool now because

614
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,680
there are clearly different
things.

615
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,360
And I have just thought that one
is that one.

616
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:12,080
And you know, it's just
embarrassing, isn't it, when you

617
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,160
don't actually know anything
about it.

618
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,240
So for me, I'm, I was trying to
think like when I started like

619
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,360
that, you know, day one when
you've actually got your class,

620
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,200
you're like, Oh my God, I'm not
in training anymore.

621
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,480
What are the things I struggle
with?

622
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,280
For me, one of the biggest ones
genuinely, even though you

623
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,680
obviously would have done this
in your training, but it's just

624
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,760
a bit more, maybe a bit more
guidance on like how to be

625
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,240
adaptable with your planning and
to your actual class.

626
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,000
Like, because I know I had the
class, I know you have a, you

627
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,920
have your mentor and you're
taking on their class.

628
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,520
They'll obviously tell you
things about the kids.

629
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,760
But when it came down to like
just being left alone, I was

630
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,680
like, here's your new class
list.

631
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,360
I just didn't really, I just
didn't know what to do.

632
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,000
I didn't know really know where
to start.

633
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,080
You know, I mean, I was like,
what do I actually plan now

634
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,360
based on this bit of data that
I've been getting about these

635
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,960
kids?
Because last time I did this, a

636
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,960
teacher sat down for an hour and
told me everything's everything

637
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,720
about them because they'd
already been teaching them for

638
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,520
two terms And I'd just come in
and, and they were guiding me

639
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,520
through so much that I didn't
really get a chance to think

640
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,080
about it.
And I just felt very much on the

641
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,800
spot of like, cool, So what do I
do?

642
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Even if I had last year's
planning, if you're lucky enough

643
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,480
to be in a school where it's
like, here's last year's

644
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,640
planning, pick it up and adapt
it.

645
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,440
Cool.
How do I do that?

646
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,240
Because I don't really know
because all I've done is write 3

647
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,480
page lesson plans.
Like, you know, as part of part

648
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,760
of my teacher training on a
bunch of kids where someone's

649
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,680
just very much guided me for
that, told me about the kids

650
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,160
already.
I didn't really know what to do.

651
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,280
But did they do that always?
Very surely towards the end of

652
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,680
the year you were absolutely
doing that.

653
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,760
I.
Think, yeah, towards the end of

654
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,520
the year you were, but by that
point you knew the kids.

655
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,400
I don't know.
It's just that it's that almost

656
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,760
new experience of like, I kind
of wish I'd just been sat down

657
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,440
and maybe there was like an hour
seminar or something, one time

658
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,640
where it's like, right, this is
how you interpret some data.

659
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,160
And maybe, maybe more.
So I guess the impression I'm

660
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840
getting here that would help you
a lot more is how to navigate

661
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,720
September, specifically how to
navigate like a brand new

662
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,920
cohort, which is coming to you.
And now it's completely your

663
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520
choice because over your year of
training, absolutely right.

664
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,520
Like you, you kind of embed your
way through and you know the

665
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560
kids so well by the time you
start doing any adaptation.

666
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,040
So in September when you start
and you say, right here's your

667
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,240
cohort, off you go.
It's like, Oh my gosh, what does

668
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,200
this look like?
How how long do I spend getting

669
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,960
to know the kids?
And then what do I adapt or do I

670
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,200
adapt immediately?
Exactly.

671
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,040
So like a September start thing?
Yeah.

672
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,480
And I remember being near, being
near the start of the year and

673
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,200
someone from SRT, maybe the head
teacher coming in and just

674
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,080
trying to just give me a bit of
feedback and support on being

675
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,000
like, we haven't really
differentiated, you know, down.

676
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040
So you haven't differentiated
for, for this, for this like

677
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,960
group of children properly, sort
of because they have that kind

678
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,880
of different ability.
I just remember thinking, I just

679
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,600
don't know.
I was like, I just I've

680
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,080
differentiated it three ways.
I've got like a middle ability,

681
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,600
1A high ability and a low
ability.

682
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,560
I was like, I don't really know
what you want me to do.

683
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,080
The best way around that is just
to plan a quality lesson where

684
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,560
you don't differentiate by
sheets and colours and stuff and

685
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,000
kids just get as far as they
get.

686
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,120
But I think back when you
qualified, there was an

687
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,400
obsession with a red sheet and
an orange sheet and a green

688
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,560
sheet and a blue sheet and a
purple sheet and a double purple

689
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,440
sheet just in case.
And even they weren't right.

690
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,400
I did that, yeah.
And even that was like they were

691
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,560
basically what they were saying
was.

692
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,560
You've kind of done it off the
cut.

693
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,280
You've done it because you think
the policy is to do this,

694
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320
whereas what I want you to do is
actually look at the children

695
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,000
you've got and plan accordingly
for them.

696
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,480
And I just didn't know how to do
it.

697
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,880
It was.
Sounds like dodgy policy then.

698
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Yeah, actually what you've done
there mate, is you've followed

699
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,880
the policy instead of actually
following what the kids need.

700
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,360
It's like, well, you've just
exposed yourself there.

701
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,200
Yeah, potentially.
So there's there's two things I

702
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,400
suppose what we spoke about
there like I think more more in

703
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,760
depth knowledge of different
needs from children spotting

704
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,840
them early September start how
to actually know how quickly you

705
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,920
should spend getting to know
your kids and how to adapt

706
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,720
etcetera.
And I think the last one that

707
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,320
I'll put in there for three, so
you don't think of more than

708
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:29,600
one, is absolutely teachers
knowing their rights a lot more

709
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,080
from day one.
Like during teacher training, we

710
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,360
talked about that.
People always mentioned the

711
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,040
Burgundy book.
Seems like an old school thing

712
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,360
to say now, but know your
rights.

713
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,560
Oh my goodness, makeup.
You should finish teacher

714
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,320
training and you should
absolutely know what is

715
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,840
acceptable and unacceptable and
exactly what your job title is

716
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,760
and what your expectations are
and what your contract says and

717
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,280
what you can push back on.
Because I feel like what happens

718
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,000
a lot in teacher training and
I've got messages from people.

719
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,280
I got one message from someone
who said they were on a teacher

720
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,960
training course.
They went there as a mentor and

721
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,000
there was a bunch of like brand
new, brand new cohort of

722
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,800
teachers.
And one of the lecturers said to

723
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,480
the whole group of new teachers
that teaching is, is a love and

724
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,320
you should, you should put your
life into it.

725
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,200
And the more you put into it,
the more you'll get out.

726
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,680
So make it your thing.
Don't be afraid to put extra

727
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,080
hours in.
Do as much as you can.

728
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,440
And this guy was just this
mentor was just horrified

729
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,480
because it's it's this classic
thing of like Ects and new

730
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,800
teachers are put down this
pipeline of do more, do load,

731
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,920
put yourself straight.
It's amazing.

732
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,400
Yeah, push yourself.
Yeah, it's going to be hard

733
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,720
sometimes, but that's what
teaching is.

734
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,880
It's like, no, no, no, no.
You need to know.

735
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,160
You need to know your
boundaries.

736
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,920
And if you choose as a new
teacher to go above and beyond

737
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,160
that, it's fantastic.
But even the most basic level of

738
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,920
doing the job, you're already
going above and beyond.

739
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,800
Just know that.
Just understand that.

740
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400
And knowing your rights doesn't
mean you do nothing all year.

741
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,320
Knowing your rights means you
understand what your contract

742
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,560
is.
You understand how you're

743
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,720
already going above and beyond
that just by doing the job of

744
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,280
being a teacher and then not
being gaslight into thinking you

745
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,640
need to give up of another 10
hours of your week because you

746
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,280
just don't.
Yeah, understanding expectations

747
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,840
on you.
It's the baseline, isn't it?

748
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,080
I definitely had no baseline
when I started teaching.

749
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,880
I was like, there, it's
infinite.

750
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960
I feel like I went through
training that was exactly like

751
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,040
what you just described.
It was very much just, yeah,

752
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,240
pour your life into it.
You got an hour free in the

753
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,160
evening dedicated to teaching.
You got two hours free at the

754
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,120
weekend dedicated to teaching.
Do as much time as you can on

755
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,240
teaching.
There is no baseline.

756
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,440
I did not know that for it took
me years to establish that, you

757
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,960
know, and now here we are saying
to him, I guess we're just

758
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,720
thinking of our younger selves
and just thinking actually, I

759
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,000
wish I did.
Do you know what I probably

760
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,240
still would have done?
Honestly, 99% of the things that

761
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,960
I did, 100% I did it because I
enjoyed it, but I didn't do it

762
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,040
knowing that actually there was
a certain baseline.

763
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,320
I did it thinking this is what
everyone in teaching should be

764
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,920
doing.
It was toxic.

765
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,120
My my mindset was toxic.
Yeah, and I, I was toxic to a

766
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,800
degree because I remember
thinking, oh, they're not doing

767
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,320
it.
Yeah, well, I am.

768
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,480
I'm obviously a bad teacher.
No, not not tall.

769
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,920
They're they've got their head
screwed on.

770
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,280
They know it's important.
They do.

771
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,160
It's important.
It's vital.

772
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,560
So those are the three.
I think they're really good

773
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,320
additions and I think they
should be implemented.

774
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,760
Actually, Mr DfE person who's
listening to this podcast, why

775
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,320
don't you do that right now, OK?
Next question, can you support

776
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,720
with ideas for career changes if
you're thinking of leaving the

777
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080
profession?
Not a decision I'm taking

778
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520
lightly, but I just feel it's
the right thing to do for my

779
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,520
well-being.
OK.

780
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,560
So firstly, I think you moved
into the expected standard of

781
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,240
reading.
Well done.

782
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,160
Too much a better flow.
I think you can do a bit more

783
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,200
intonation.
Yeah, a little bit.

784
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,240
So something to work on, but I
think you just you're on the

785
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,480
cusp of expected there.
Well done.

786
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,960
In terms of career changes, we
get this question so much, I

787
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,640
think because people are kind of
also taking taking account that

788
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,600
we've left the profession
ourselves and what what are you

789
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,720
doing now guys?
How are you?

790
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,200
How are you surviving?
How are you paying your

791
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,200
mortgage?
So yeah, in terms of career

792
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,720
changes, there's a few roots to
go down.

793
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,680
That's for Saw.
That, that's for Saw.

794
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Ohh, that's.
For SAW, I'll give you that

795
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,800
feedback right back now.
Maybe you can learn that.

796
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,920
That is below.
Below standard even reading.

797
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,080
I'm sorry, it's just my.
Obviously you're not even doing

798
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,760
the reading that this is.
Below, I think there's yeah, a

799
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,960
couple of roads to go down. 1 is
you can try and stay in

800
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,000
education.
We kind of cultivated that a

801
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,160
little bit of our tutoring
company.

802
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,080
So two years into our teaching,
well, three years for you, 2 for

803
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,560
me.
We started our tutoring company

804
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,440
back in 2018 and that kind of
grew on the side.

805
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,840
It was like, oh, a teacher's
side hustle.

806
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,000
It was like.
But it grew and it grew and it

807
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,760
grew and it got to the point
where, yeah, of course it would

808
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,560
be a pay cut to quit teaching,
but it could supplement our

809
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,120
income for a while whilst we
went part time.

810
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,080
And then eventually it was the
kind of thing where we were

811
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,320
saying, well, do you know what?
It'll pay our bills.

812
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080
OK, so we can take this leap
into quitting teaching.

813
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,080
We start the podcast a few years
ago, not remote.

814
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,200
I had someone comment the other
day saying what can I do if I

815
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,640
want to leave teaching?
Any help please?

816
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440
And someone else replied saying
start an Instagram on a podcast.

817
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Apparently I had, I had to
reply.

818
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,480
I replied, I can assure you this
is not anywhere paying your

819
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,000
mortgage to pay my salary, my
UPS for teaching role that I

820
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,920
used to have.
So yeah, this isn't necessarily

821
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,160
the hugest money maker in the
world for us, but it's another

822
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,640
something we can focus on and
grow.

823
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,560
And I think, yeah, if you're
looking to get out of teaching,

824
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,160
you could maybe start thinking
about what can I do on the side

825
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,480
just to supplement my income a
bit.

826
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,000
Even if it means you can end up
dropping a day or dropping two

827
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,400
days in your teaching career.
That time is is vital and it's

828
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,320
time, isn't it?
I think it's time if you're

829
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,440
thinking about career changes
and you don't want to lose your

830
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,080
income.
We need to train up in

831
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,240
something, don't we?
I had a friend who was full time

832
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,920
working as an estate agent,
spent his evenings training up

833
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,520
to be a cloud engineer for
Amazon software and stuff.

834
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Did that in his evenings after
his baby went to bed.

835
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,840
Spent hours so long doing it and
now he's in a job, much better

836
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,080
salary, much better well-being
has half day and a Friday.

837
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,240
Amazing crack on.
It's like it's the kind of thing

838
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,800
you need to put in.
So I think, yeah, you have to

839
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,000
put the time in if you want to
keep your salary similar.

840
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,480
There's most jobs you're going
to have to do a little bit of

841
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,760
training or or take a cut to
begin with for sure.

842
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,440
That's if you're coming out of
education.

843
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,440
If you're staying in education,
try and do a little side thing.

844
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,280
But yeah, have you got any
advice?

845
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,400
I mean, you've literally quit
teaching.

846
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,280
Yeah, I mean, there's a, there's
a Facebook group I've been in

847
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,560
for years, right.
And I'll, I'll give you a couple

848
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,280
of stories from it, genuinely
just from recently.

849
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,720
It's called Life After Teaching
UK or something huge that isn't

850
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,600
it.
Yeah, it's quite a big group.

851
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,440
And there's a few others as
well.

852
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,240
Facebook great for just groups
of people that are, you know,

853
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,840
similar to you.
Isn't it interesting how you've

854
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,840
been in that group for a long
time?

855
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Yeah, I know.
I don't.

856
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,760
I don't know why because I
genuinely have been in that

857
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,320
group for like 5 or 6 years.
Well, obviously in the back of

858
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,560
your mind you were thinking I.
Think I was just maybe, yeah,

859
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,800
just interested as well.
Isn't it people should know

860
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,320
their options.
I was, I was always interested,

861
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,520
what do people do outside of
this?

862
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,480
Like how do you have to stay in
education?

863
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,840
And honestly, the answer is no,
no.

864
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,800
I've seen a few things recently.
One really popular post was

865
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,000
about working for the council.
That's really interesting.

866
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,680
A lot of people transition from
from, you know, from this group

867
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,320
anyway, from working in schools
to work in the council.

868
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,080
And they're like, oh, it's loads
of transferable skills.

869
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,640
I've I've worked my one person
was like, yeah, I've worked my

870
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,520
way up.
Now I've been working with the

871
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,480
council for five years and I'm,
I'm on more money now than I

872
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,080
wasn't teaching because I'm in
some really like bigwig role.

873
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,920
And I was like, that's really
cool.

874
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,560
Another person I put on the
other day saying, oh, I I got a

875
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,880
job.
They they were like, I took a

876
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,720
pay car, but it didn't last very
long.

877
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,680
I got a job.
It was like a, a like need

878
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,080
financial planning.
It was like a financial

879
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,600
advisory, like a place.
Yeah, and mentioned need

880
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800
financial planning in a while.
Well, that my good friend Mr

881
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,040
need financial planning.
He'll be his ears will prick up.

882
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,520
He'll be loving this.
Yeah, it was him.

883
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,720
No, it wasn't.
But this person was saying yeah,

884
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,960
and they were talking about how,
and it's what I liked about this

885
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,520
post.
They were talking about how they

886
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,320
were praised so much in this job
despite it being literally

887
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,480
nothing to do with teaching
kids, purely from the

888
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,720
transferable skills of working
hard and how quickly you can

889
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,080
pick up stuff because we're
teaching well.

890
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,360
I think you find teachers are
bloody lazy.

891
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,840
Yeah, actually.
And they don't have to think

892
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,480
about anything.
But as a teacher you're

893
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,800
constantly, constantly analysing
and thinking and adapting on the

894
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480
spot, and you just get better
and better at that.

895
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,400
I think you can even realise how
good you get at that.

896
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,840
So this person was saying, and
other people were agreeing like,

897
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,760
oh, I walked into this other job
and people were just amazed at

898
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,400
how quickly I picked everything
up and how good I was at this

899
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,840
new skill that normally takes
longer.

900
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,520
And they were just, yeah, big
enough.

901
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,760
The fact that teaching's got
great transferable skills, you

902
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,080
don't even have to stay in
education.

903
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,200
Just look around.
You can probably walk into

904
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720
another job and very quickly
train up to be a really good

905
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,080
standard in that new career.
I.

906
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,640
Think that's a big thing I'd
say, but a lot of people are

907
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,280
turned off by taking a salary
cut.

908
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600
Just look at the progression,
honestly, just just look at it

909
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,560
like try and look at it as like
a three to five year plan at

910
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,800
least and think well, even three
to five years, if I'm

911
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,560
successful, where will I?
Because it would probably be

912
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,440
past teaching.
And another huge thing that

913
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,080
comes up, loads of people are
leaving is the civil service,

914
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,360
almost similar to what we're
saying about the council working

915
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400
in the civil service, because
you get a lot of flexi work, a

916
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
lot of working from home, a lot
of new mums move over to the

917
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,240
civil service and, and do jobs
there.

918
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,760
And yeah, that that's quite a
time consuming process to apply.

919
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,239
So like it's the kind of thing
to look into.

920
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,920
Like literally now, like you,
you join that group and yeah,

921
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,880
just deny us, you know, Ed
tech's the thing as well.

922
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,080
You know, Ed tech is huge, Lots
of people moving to Ed tech.

923
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,600
And we're spending a lot of our
time, as we talked about last

924
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,800
week, had a nice lot, nice
responses last week about a nice

925
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,000
platform, a lot of people who
want to be using it talking

926
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,840
about arithmetic.
So yeah, that's really exciting.

927
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,560
And we'll keep you guys updated
with what we're working on with

928
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,440
that.
So there's there's so much out

929
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,159
there is what I'm saying, Like,
you know, don't think that

930
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,800
you're trapped in teaching.
No, it is a very common to think

931
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,600
that and the salary and the
time.

932
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Do you know what?
Some people can be trapped in a

933
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,320
job and I'm not here to say no
no, you just pull your

934
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719
bootstraps up and work.
Hard and take a pay cut and do.

935
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,159
This yeah, it's not realistic
for some people at all.

936
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,760
So if you're in that position,
I'm sorry, you know, do what you

937
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,800
can, listen to our podcast and
how you can help your

938
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,679
well-being, etcetera, and push
back on stuff.

939
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,080
But if you're even got a smidgen
of like a chance to do

940
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,520
something, my advice would be,
Oh my goodness, do it because

941
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,240
you can come back to teaching.
Yeah, that's true.

942
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,240
Right.
Hayden, what is your opinion on

943
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,640
the increase in homeschooling?
Well, firstly, I would say

944
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,480
there, it has been a significant
increase in homeschooling,

945
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,040
particularly from 2020.
I wonder, I wonder why, what

946
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,880
happened in that clear thing.
Yeah, it's been a huge, huge

947
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,240
increase.
I see a lot more online.

948
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,560
I see a lot more in the news and
genuinely in media, people with

949
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,800
parents coming out and saying
I'm homeschooled my child now

950
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,920
and you should be doing this as
well.

951
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,760
My gut, my guttural reaction to
that was as a teacher, I was

952
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,720
like, no, no, no, no, you
shouldn't be doing no, no.

953
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,200
It feels like a personal attack.
I don't know why you taking them

954
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,000
out of school.
No, no, I'm the best placement

955
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,080
to be.
I'm the teacher, I'm a trained,

956
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,800
I'm an expert, and that's
generally honestly like how I

957
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,160
feel about that until I just sit
down and actually just think

958
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,600
about it, not in a in a selfish
way and think why would someone

959
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,880
want to do this?
Hard for you to do that.

960
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Really hard for me to do that.
It took me many, many years to

961
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,600
to think about other people.
I'm not going to think about

962
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,880
myself.
First, yes, why?

963
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,440
Why wouldn't you want to be in
my class every single person in

964
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,640
the UK?
Well, I'll tell.

965
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,200
I'll tell you why.
Firstly, as we talk about a lot

966
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,320
on this on this podcast, funding
has gone through the floor like

967
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,640
in terms of for schools.
Through the floor, Yeah, really.

968
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,680
Switch that around.
Not through the roof, baby

969
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,640
through the floor and down a
few, down a few floors as well.

970
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920
But funding is awful and I think
parents are particularly from

971
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,880
having to homeschool their
children during like COVID

972
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,360
times.
Parents are way more aware now,

973
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,960
firstly of the fact that there
is an option there, like

974
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,280
homeschooling might actually be
a viable option that works.

975
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,120
They might have worked really
well for their child during that

976
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,120
time.
Secondly, when they put them

977
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,720
back into school and they're
suddenly more aware of the fact

978
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,760
that there is just no money for
anything and there's no

979
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,960
provision.
Especially if your child needs

980
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,960
literally anything out of the
ordinary that isn't just, you

981
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,040
know, you're just turning up to
school and they're just with

982
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,000
their class teacher all day.
People are just so much more

983
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,280
hyper aware now of the fact that
there just isn't any money in

984
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,120
education.
And if your child needs any

985
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,600
extra support, there is a good
chance that they're not getting

986
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,680
that the fullest that they
should be.

987
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,680
Maybe even like a couple of
decades ago, they would have

988
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,720
absolutely got this support and
this funding and this group and

989
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:55,560
this one to one TA, not for two
people.

990
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,520
Just stuff like that.
Genuinely.

991
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,400
And parents are just being like,
yeah, I this, this system is not

992
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,640
working for my child anymore.
SEND parents in particular, I

993
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,760
think we're seeing a huge, a
huge surge of people being like,

994
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,520
no, I'm just taking my child out
of this school because this is

995
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,480
not helping them.
But but does taking them out of

996
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,480
school help them?
This is a huge I, I think it's a

997
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,520
really tricky one because I
think there's a massive case to

998
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,280
say it's still the best place
for them, even though it's, even

999
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,240
though it's worse for everyone,
not for everyone.

1000
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,960
I think on a case by case
situation, I don't think you can

1001
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,400
make any blanket statements of,
oh, yeah, for SEND children,

1002
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,680
take them out of school, you'll
do a better job.

1003
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,000
That's not true.
Yeah, some people will.

1004
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,760
Yeah, some people do an
incredible job of their own

1005
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,000
children that way.
That just that makes school look

1006
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,720
like a joke.
Yeah.

1007
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,880
Other people won't.
Yeah, and and and also not even

1008
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,360
that they won't like, it's their
fault.

1009
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,640
It's just like that child will
literally still get more of what

1010
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,480
they need.
Maybe not every single thing of

1011
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,240
what we need.
And we can talk about how the

1012
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,520
plight of SEND parents fighting
for what their kids need,

1013
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,440
etcetera, is still a really
important issue and children

1014
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,840
should get what they need.
But school can still be the

1015
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,640
better place to be. 100% and and
in my personal opinion, I do

1016
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,240
think that's probably true a lot
of the time is school is still,

1017
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,480
even though it's not ideal, it
probably is the better place to

1018
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,120
be because we just there, just
there's more, there's more stuff

1019
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,200
there's.
Still stuff involved there's.

1020
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Still stuff involved, right?
But I can totally sympathise

1021
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,200
with the rising dissatisfaction
with school and and I always

1022
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,320
took that really personally.
Like I said, I was always very

1023
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,840
much like, Nope, no, we
shouldn't be doing this.

1024
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,120
I you know, that's the best
place to be.

1025
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,360
I mean, we're the experts who,
you know, you do think you are

1026
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,120
undermining.
I've trained for three, I've

1027
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
been working this for 10 years
and you're just a parent who

1028
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,960
doesn't work in education.
How could you possibly think

1029
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,640
this is better than what I do?
We just talked about how we

1030
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,720
finished teacher training and
don't feel remotely prepared for

1031
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,720
SEND.
So it's like that arguments

1032
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:34,760
gone.
It's just gone.

1033
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,040
I'm sorry, your average new
teacher is not an expert in

1034
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,760
everything.
It's impossible.

1035
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,600
And it could well be that your
child is not in the best place.

1036
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,160
And I think it's, so it's such a
stretch to say like it's just

1037
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,320
wrong to say school's the best
place for everyone.

1038
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,440
Like just just even just
thinking about it for 2 seconds,

1039
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,800
even just logically.
Of course it's not.

1040
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Of course it can't be like, even
even for lots of children who do

1041
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,240
well in school, there's still a
bunch of kids who don't

1042
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,080
necessarily need to come out of
school, but school's still not

1043
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,680
working for them.
And then there's a whole another

1044
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,160
bunch of kids who should come
out of school because it's

1045
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,400
probably better for them in
general.

1046
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,880
I, I, yeah, I there's been a lot
of talk recently about

1047
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,720
safeguarding and there's been a
few examples of children kind of

1048
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,600
being lost in the system a
little bit when they're taken

1049
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,240
out of school and some
safeguarding issues around.

1050
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,360
I think that that's, that that
is clearly a worry and we don't

1051
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,520
want that to happen.
But I think then tiring home

1052
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,560
education with that brush of,
oh, it's not safe for kids.

1053
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,040
I think that's just bizarre.
Like what we're saying there is

1054
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,640
that children aren't safe in
their own home.

1055
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,960
What a strange thing to say.
It's clearly not true for all

1056
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,360
kids.
As a teacher, I what, what I

1057
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,400
will do is absolutely, I will
sit here and say for for some

1058
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,240
children, home schooling is not
only a good thing, but

1059
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,880
necessary.
But I will also absolutely sit

1060
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,960
here and say, yeah, but don't,
don't, don't completely kill off

1061
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,960
schools.
Don't completely talk them down

1062
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,600
and say they're brokered for
everyone and the system's

1063
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,520
terrible and we're
indoctrinating the kids and it's

1064
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,720
just terrible for everyone
involved.

1065
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,280
No, it's not.
School is a fantastic place for

1066
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,200
so many kids.
And when it when it turns into

1067
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,680
that, I'm like, cool, OK, gloves
are off.

1068
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,240
Then we'll talk about all the,
all the cons of home schooling

1069
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,960
if you want to.
Or we can have an adult

1070
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,240
conversation about how there are
pros and cons to both and case

1071
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,400
by case, we should talk about
it.

1072
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,240
But I see I've seen some people
who really champion home

1073
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:14,720
education.
It's fantastic.

1074
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,560
But then a few of those same
people will attack schools

1075
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,280
constantly.
And it's like, OK, you might

1076
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,720
have had a bad experience with
the school.

1077
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,480
That's fine.
And there's a place for that

1078
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,840
voice.
I really do think there's a

1079
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,680
place that voice because you
should be highlighting the

1080
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,640
drawbacks of school and the
issues they have.

1081
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:31,600
But then when someone just says
blanketly, it would be like I

1082
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,200
was saying blanketly.
All SLT are horrible, all SLT

1083
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,680
are toxic.
Never listen to SLT, it's

1084
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,720
horrendous.
I would never say that and I'd

1085
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,320
be the first person to say that
I've worked for amazing leaders,

1086
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,040
but I'm still going to highlight
the issues.

1087
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Those people who go further and
then say we should abolish the

1088
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,080
school system completely and
it's completely broken and

1089
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,520
teachers are just rubbish and
they're awful, that's obviously

1090
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,400
just daft.
And I, I would push back on that

1091
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,560
and I'd say, look, let's have a
conversation about it.

1092
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,080
Let's talk about how we can
improve schools for sure to to

1093
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,040
to get more children back into
the school system where it would

1094
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,720
be better for them was still
given the option for home

1095
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,080
schooling.
I think all of these things

1096
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160
should exist, but when it
becomes one versus the other and

1097
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,920
blanket statements about both
home education is always bad.

1098
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,280
It's not safe for the children
at home versus schools are

1099
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,520
terrible.
They're indoctrinating your kids

1100
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,200
and teachers are useless and
they don't know anything.

1101
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Yeah, you're both wrong.
Yeah, it's true.

1102
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,640
It's so true.
There has to be a space for a

1103
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,560
bit of nuance in this
conversation.

1104
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,160
So what do you think then?
Like when you know that?

1105
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,080
I don't know the exact stats,
but there has been a significant

1106
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,080
rise in homeschooling since
2020.

1107
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,760
Do you think that's justified?
Do you think that comes with any

1108
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,640
change?
Do you think there should be any

1109
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,600
changes to policy with this?
Do you think we should be a bit

1110
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,440
more, a bit more careful?
We've got way more children at

1111
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,240
home now.
Do you think that does justify

1112
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,560
people saying, well actually we
do need to up safeguarding

1113
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,920
measures at home?
Like what?

1114
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,160
What's your just opinions on the
fact that it has just risen?

1115
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,800
Yeah, safeguarding with kids is
paramount, it's number one.

1116
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,280
And, and if any, if we look at
any situation, we think

1117
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,600
safeguarding might have got
worse because of XY or Z, we

1118
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,840
should be looking at ways of
helping that.

1119
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,400
I think they're introducing some
kind of home schooling register

1120
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,120
now, which is basically just
like you, you, you at least have

1121
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,520
to register your child.
I, I really, I don't know the

1122
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,360
insurance and outs.
I'm not going to go into detail

1123
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,040
here, but but they're, they're
introducing something just to

1124
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,200
keep people a bit more
accountable of having fewer

1125
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,720
children slip through the net,
basically.

1126
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,240
And yeah.
And people have pushed back and

1127
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:14,280
said, it's my kid will do what I
want.

1128
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,280
I was like, yeah, but can you
understand why this is a good

1129
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,880
thing?
Can you understand why this is

1130
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,600
happening?
The only reason is because maybe

1131
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,520
it's not for your kid.
Maybe your kid would be fine.

1132
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Your kid would probably be fine.
But what about those 10 kids who

1133
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,520
aren't going to be fine?
But let's look after them just

1134
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,760
by having this just go over it
just.

1135
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,240
Do it, It's true.
Is it because if you think about

1136
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,600
it just logically, making it
easier and more normalised to

1137
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960
take your children out of school
where they are like heavily,

1138
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,400
heavily protected through safe,
like unbelievable layers of

1139
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,840
safeguarding.
Making it more easy to do that

1140
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,760
is obviously going to open the
door to the idea that that bad

1141
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,320
things are happening as well,
like safeguarding issues

1142
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,640
actually happening outside of
school.

1143
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,760
It's of course that's going to
come hand in hand with it.

1144
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,800
Not everyone.
We're not saying to that one

1145
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
person as well.
Oh, my kid will be, yeah, I know

1146
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,080
that's fine.
Your kid will be fine.

1147
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,880
But making it more normal to and
not easy to just take kids out

1148
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,840
of school is obviously going to
bring issues as well.

1149
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Like we really should be
thinking of safeguarding these

1150
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,720
children at like the most.
Yes.

1151
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Think of all the training we've
had on, you know, prevent

1152
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,160
radicalization, FGM, you know,
things like that.

1153
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,280
And it's like, OK, like we can
pick up on those things as a

1154
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,720
school if we see different
patterns.

1155
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Maybe they're out of school for
a bit longer than they are

1156
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,360
normally and they come back and
maybe the child's a bit more

1157
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,680
reserved.
And you think, oh, where did you

1158
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,720
go when you went here looking
out for those signs of a child

1159
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,840
changing the way they behave and
oh, I wonder what they're

1160
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,320
consuming in their social media,
maybe their parents are missing,

1161
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,080
etcetera.
The way they.

1162
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,400
Talk to the other kids and the
teachers.

1163
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Have they been medicalised, What
they're saying, what their

1164
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,160
sentences, all of it?
Exactly.

1165
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,360
It's more adults and more people
in a place of looking out for

1166
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,600
your child.
And, and by taking them out of

1167
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,880
that, you're just reducing the
number, like you are just

1168
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,520
reducing the number of people
who are looking out for them in

1169
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,000
that way.
And it's, it's not saying that

1170
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
that's going to be bad
definitely for your child, but

1171
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,840
what it's going to say is that
overall, clearly there's less

1172
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,600
protection for children in
general.

1173
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,720
And clearly it's OK, I think to
be having conversations of if

1174
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,200
it's, if it's the conversation
starts with how can we ensure

1175
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,600
children stay as safe as
possible?

1176
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Who's got a problem with that
conversation?

1177
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,240
Honestly, like if you feel
attacked by that, what's wrong

1178
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,160
with you?
Just to open that dialogue,

1179
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,400
maybe defend why you think it's
not necessary through the lens

1180
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,920
of steel because it's going to
keep children safe in this other

1181
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,640
way.
Talk about that, but don't just

1182
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,600
say, oh, it's automatically bad
because my rights are being

1183
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,920
stripped away and I can't do
this with my kid.

1184
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,280
Get over it.
Honestly, we're just looking out

1185
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,600
for the children.
Yeah, I agree.

1186
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,880
Do do you think about learning
now?

1187
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,200
Because obviously safeguarding
is a huge thing.

1188
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,320
I think we've addressed that
thinking about literally

1189
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,680
learning specifically.
Do you like, what's your

1190
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,760
opinion?
Do you think there are massive

1191
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,680
drawbacks in general?
We are just talking.

1192
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,640
I know we've all established,
you know, yeah, it's fine.

1193
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,160
There's different situations.
But as a blanket thing, do you

1194
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,120
think there's any drawbacks to
literally just education for the

1195
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,560
child with her being pulled out
of school all the time?

1196
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,440
I was.
Thinking about this as well

1197
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,720
because we concentrated on SEND
which is a big reason why people

1198
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:45,840
leave.
I'm just I'm talking about

1199
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,760
anyone now, anyone at all who
leaves.

1200
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,680
Not even because, just because
the parent might think they're

1201
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,240
going to get a more rounded
education because of it.

1202
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,600
I think you.
Can How on earth can we sit here

1203
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,840
again and talk about how school
trips have been decimated?

1204
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,000
You don't get to go anywhere
anymore.

1205
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,560
We can talk about, you know,
holidays are really expensive

1206
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,120
in, in some holidays and your
kid can't go away and just have

1207
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,800
a break with their family and a
core memory.

1208
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,640
Unless it costs their parents
three times as much.

1209
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,760
You can take them away in
downtime with the home educated,

1210
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,920
you can do what you want.
I think there's so much to be

1211
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,760
said how you can get so much out
of home education in ways that

1212
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,560
you can't get out of school.
All of those things we just

1213
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,960
mentioned there.
I, I think school comes with

1214
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,520
lots of pros as well, but you
will miss out on like you, you,

1215
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,400
you know, being out of school
maybe means that a child won't

1216
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,240
get bullied anymore and it's way
better for them with home

1217
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,800
education, being out of school
might mean that a child

1218
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,640
literally is isolated through
socialising and, and it means

1219
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,800
that they don't get that bond
anymore.

1220
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,040
So it's a negative for one and a
positive for another child.

1221
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,120
And then you have to look at it
as a whole picture.

1222
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,840
And I think again, just saying,
well, if you're in school, you

1223
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,000
learn more, not necessarily
genuinely like the amount.

1224
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,400
If I think about what I've
taught half of my days, which is

1225
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,880
in the afternoon, all the topic
stuff, the science, the

1226
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,160
geography, the history,
etcetera.

1227
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,840
You could learn most of that
through reading books or just

1228
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,440
chatting with your family or
watching a specific education

1229
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
video or going on a trip.
Going to the Roman baths in Bath

1230
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,480
would teach you nearly
everything you need to know

1231
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,560
about the Romans.
So you've got an idea.

1232
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Cool.
Oh, it's not exactly what we did

1233
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,360
in our scheme of work, which was
not even in the curriculum bar

1234
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,920
scheme of work said this.
So yeah, who cares?

1235
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,440
Like you can get so much more
out of it.

1236
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,800
I think basic maths, like
there's a lot of the maths

1237
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,360
curriculum we literally say is
not necessary and we teach it in

1238
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,960
school still.
Well, that's obviously

1239
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,560
pointless.
Oh, your kid misses the Roman

1240
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,560
numerals lesson.
So but that's fine.

1241
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,720
But does your child need a good
working knowledge of place

1242
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,760
value, of number, of adding, of
subtracting?

1243
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,000
Also Yes.
And you know what?

1244
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,760
I am an expert at teaching that.
And the parent might be Yeah.

1245
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,560
So I am better at doing that for
your child.

1246
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,400
But it's a pro and a con.
It's a give and a take.

1247
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,320
And I think it's just you have
to assess it yourself for your

1248
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,720
child.
It might be better for your

1249
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,760
child.
You know the drawbacks, you know

1250
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,480
the positives.
And you might think, you know

1251
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,280
what?
For my kid, though, this is

1252
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,600
going to work for them.
And I think the person often

1253
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,640
best placed to make that call is
the parent.

1254
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Yeah, of course.
And as teachers, we need to step

1255
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,240
back sometimes, I think, and
just be like, OK, you've made

1256
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,360
that call.
My voice is important because I

1257
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,240
am still a professional
educator.

1258
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,960
And I know that your child will
miss out on these things.

1259
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,200
But as a parent, you're telling
me they're not going to get

1260
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,720
bullied as much.
They're going to go on more

1261
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,480
trips away.
They're going to get more

1262
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,520
experience of life and the world
in a different.

1263
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Respect a curriculum.
They'd much prefer a curriculum

1264
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,560
where we get to do XY and Z and
this school doesn't do that

1265
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,840
because we maybe maths and
English isn't that thing.

1266
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,680
Maths and English is important,
but maybe it's not their thing.

1267
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,680
And actually 60% of school is
just doing maths and English.

1268
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,920
And for them it's like, no, do
you know what?

1269
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,560
I will teach the maths and
English through this vessel of

1270
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,240
doing all these practical things
because that's what they

1271
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,200
actually enjoy.
You're as a school.

1272
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,560
You cannot provide that.
I'm really sorry.

1273
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,560
It's nothing to do with you
school.

1274
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,720
There is no funding.
I know you can't take my kid on

1275
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,440
any trips and do literally
anything fun ever.

1276
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,720
So I'm going to take my kid out
and we're going to do it this

1277
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:36,880
way.
And you just at that point you

1278
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,320
have to go.
Yep.

1279
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Cool.
They're not my child.

1280
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

1281
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,480
So I've had my opinion.
You've got your opinion, but

1282
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,040
here's your child.
So.

1283
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,440
OK.
Absolutely and.

1284
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,280
Here's a bunch of safeguarding
stuff that we put in place for

1285
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,120
this reason, because actually,
regardless of it being my your

1286
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,440
child or not, my child,
safeguarding is still important

1287
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,320
regardless of that anyway.
So this is this new measure that

1288
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,560
has to come, and you've got to
adhere to that.

1289
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,680
Yeah, yeah, but, but have fun.
And I honestly wish the best for

1290
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,200
your kid because as a teacher,
what do I want?

1291
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,040
I want the best for every child.
And that means for some children

1292
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,640
not being in the school system.
And that is just a fact.

1293
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,000
And that that's where I sit with
that.

1294
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,480
I think I'm.
Not a very mature conclusion to

1295
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,840
come to you because I definitely
definitely like even just a

1296
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,880
couple of years ago, I would
have been very way more on the

1297
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,720
side of no.
It's just it's no, they should

1298
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,160
be at school.
School is the best place with

1299
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,280
everyone.
I was very much.

1300
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,800
You've grown that trap.
You've grown up.

1301
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:17,800
I've grown.
Yeah.

1302
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,120
Self centred.
Well, I'm homeschooled now.

1303
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,560
I've actually.
Left the school system myself.

1304
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Go out of the school system,
right?

1305
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,240
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1313
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,040
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1314
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